November 15, 2025 • 24 mins
The Saturday Edition of the Good Morning Football Podcast looks back at the Steelers losing 3 of their last four and the concerns moving forward. The Giants fire Brian Daboll and look to what's next for the team and Jaxson Dart. Plus, 2x Super Bowl Champion Logan Ryan drops by to look at the Patriots and the MVP caliber season of QB Drake Maye.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Morning Football.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It was rough for you Steelers fans, Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh.
He threw two interceptions, sacked three times, including this safety.
Steelers filled to the charges twenty five to ten. Well, yesterday,
head coach Mike Tollin was asked, but what he thought
about his quarterbacks play lately.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm not gonna, you know, chalk it up here an
Auday night, but there are no long term concerns. Sunday
night was what it was, but I have no long
term reservations about his ability to play the position and
play the position at a high level for us. So
with that understanding, we're going back to work this week
and we got to put together a better plan.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We got to make more plays.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So unfamiliar territory, if heels like for the Steelers a
go As of late, they lost three of their last
four games. But as we know, Mike Gee, Mike Tomlin
likes to say, the standard is the standard. So as
you look at this, what do you make of the
Steelers right now?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Something's bothering me with the Steelers right now, And maybe
somebody's going to tell me that I'm wrong about this,
and it's just kind of sort of hyperbole and I
don't remember five, six, seven years ago whatever. But Aaron
Rodgers reactions to his own teammates, to maybe himself, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
There's been a lot of this. It's hilarious, a lot
of them.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
And I don't love it, right Like, this is not
He's strongly hinted that this could be his last NFL season.
He hasn't really closed the door or or solidified that,
but is this is this with the last vestiges of.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Land nice guys? Come on?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I mean the one time where he got knocked over,
right and he's yelling, that's a different, But this is
like and I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Reading his lips.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Oh yet, well, yeah, I didn't know that one was
in there.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
They're all in there. We're still so we're not even
looping this. Yeah, they're new ones, right, Like what And.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I'm not gonna pretend like I know what's going on
in his head, but like, I just.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This leaves me to believe like the whole thing just.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Not on solid ground right now, Like, come on, Aaron,
this is your last? This is this should be the
Derek Jeter, Mariano rivera farewell tour, giving you gifts and
say waving the opposing fat I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
This is I don't know what's going on. Well, here's
what's going on. This has always been Rogers. It's not new.
He's just not caring anymore.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
He's always felt that way, Okay, always, This goes back
to when he was sitting behind far If you felt
that way, that's Rogers. He just as you get older,
Mike and you can relate to this, and I'm sure
in your own life you just don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm just gonna be me.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
So that's always been the guy, and he is just
letting it out where I come out on the stairs.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
What do we make of the five and four Steelers
right now?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
The state of them and the conversation about them is
extremely reactive instant on and on NFL news cycle week
to week to week.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I'm not going to sit here and say this was
a great game against the Charge. It was a bad game.
It was a bad.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Road trip to California, and they got housed for the offense.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I thought the defense was okay.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
They held Herbert and Check, they didn't get run all
over they had, didn't give up any huge runs at all.
Because remember a month ago, I'm old enough to remember,
everyone said the Steelers defense was crap.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But the week to week thing.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Guys, one week ago, right before the Chargers game, do
you not remember the Steelers completely housing the sweetheart Colts.
Jonathan Taylor did nothing in this game. He was completely stuffed.
Daniel Jones, the story of the year, was completely turned
inside out by the Steelers defense.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
This was not back in Week two, this week nine.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Okay, you have to at least give them some equity
for this game in which the number one story team
quarterback running back. I thought the Colts had the best
offensive line in the entire league. Why did Daniel Jones
have half a second against the Steelers front? All Right,
if you want to go quick, reactive, hot take on
most teams in the league, I would say twenty eight
teams in the league. Fine, the Steelers organization, You've got
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to give them a little bit of equity of Yes,
that was a bad game, but year after year they
turn into winning product, and I'm gonna give them so
much equity. I'm gonna do something that I hate. I'm
gonna do something that hate. I'm gonna look at what
do they say? You either die hero or live long
enough to see yourself become the villain. I hate the
segment where you put up a team schedule and just
say win loss, win loss.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I'm doing it, going.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
It right now, Steelers remaining schedule. I'm going to do
it all right for Starting in the upper left, the Bengals.
Remember the Steelers are five and four. They're gonna win
this weekend. That's the Steelers are six and four. They're
gonna lose at the Bears. They're gonna lose to the Bills.
They're gonna lose at the Ravens. That's not good. That
puts them at six and seven. As we go to
the right column. But wait, it's the Steelers, it's Tomlin.
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They will beat the Dolphins to get to seven and seven.
They will lose at Detroit to get to a terrible
seven and eight. Then they beat the Browns at eight
and eighth and Baltimore, likely with nothing to play with.
Unless something miraculous happens, the Steelers win guests with the
record is Boys and Girls nine and eight, and through
some sort of tie breaking scenario that may even involve
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an actual tie in somebody's record. The Steelers will be
in the wild Card round. Take this clip, save this clip.
That was an awful trip to the Chargers. That game
did not look good. Rogers are screaming at people. Rodgers's
missing receivers nine and eight will be there after week eighteen.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I promise you. I'm saying it live and play it
back later.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
I'm taking the clip and I'm saving the clip. Not
for what, not for the win lossleek.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
For what Kyle just did for two days in a row.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
KB just went against everything that we stand for on
this show, everything that I was taught by that man
himself of what we do and what we don't do.
KB in the past two days, in past twenty four
hours has broken a lot of the GMFB commandments that
we have on this show.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So I am so happy right now. Okay, with that.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Being said, Manti, I'm going to shatter the stone tablets.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm going to do pretenders versus Contenders.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I'm going to do factor fiction, I'm gonna do X factors,
I'm gonna do all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm just starting to go nuts right now.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yeah, No, I want to go back to somebody that
Mike g brought up.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
His name is Mariano Rivera.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
For the younger crowd that doesn't know who Mariano Rivera is,
He's known as one of the greatest closers in Major
League Baseball. And the reason why I like that reference
is because when I think about the the Arthur Smith offense,
there's a lot of talk about how Aaron Rodgers has
been doing. The thing about it is the system that
he's in, and he did choose.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The system, the Arthur Smith.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
This system is designed to close out games. However, it
does not have the scoring ability to come back from deficits. Guys,
did you know that Arthur Smith led offense has not ever,
whether he's been a head coach or a coordinator, has
not come back from a deficit larger than thirteen points.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Has never.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
They have not been able to come back from a
deficit more than eight points with under five minutes left
in the game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
How many games.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Have we seen this year, guys, where there have been
at least twenty one twenty eight points scored with two
minutes left. I mean, watching at Cincinnati and Chicago Bears game.
I don't know how many points were scored in the
last two minutes of the game, but it was more
than eight.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And so when you think about Aaron.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Rodgers and you think about this offense, and you think
about the weapons that they have, majority of the weapons,
since favorite targets are tight ends. Guys, they played mainly
thirteen personnel, which is one running back, three tight ends.
So then you add Aaron Rodgers to this equation, you're
not going to have an offense that's explosive. And in
twenty twenty five, I can't count on both hands the
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amount offenses that can put up many points, a lot
of points in a short amount of time. So, yes,
has Aaron Rodgers seen his struggles, yes, has the offense
offensive line seeing their struggles. Yes, But when you put
in the in the grand scheme of what this system,
this Artis Smith system was designed to do, it doesn't
help his It doesn't help his case, it doesn't help
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the Pittsburgh students case. And being able to be in
these games, in these close games, and come.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Back and win.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And as you mentioned it, Kyle, you either lived to
be the hero or you die the villain. Twenty one
seasons of Aaron Rodgers playing football in the NFL. So certainly,
a lot of case there to be made.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Good mom Mom.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Former NFL defensive bag Logan Ryan. He spent the entire
commercial break talking with Seth Rollins about a barber that
they both know who cuts hair in the WWE, in
the NFL world. That's just kind of the stuff he
talks about. Logan, what's up, man, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Man?
Speaker 8 (09:10):
Yeah, my barber Drew the barber drew the barber Seth
and the w W stars. He cuts the ww guys now,
so he h. I'm not I'm not, you know, famous
enough to get cut by him anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I guess.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
He cuts them and Seth cuts promos. That's just it's fine.
That's how they do it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Logan. You have all kinds of things going on, and
you had an award we're going to talk about. But
before we get to it, dude, Patriots Bucks.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
You were at the game on Sunday. Pats are on
a seven game winning streak. This is like the Logan
Ryan ball. What was your biggest takeaway from watching them
beat the Buccaneers.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
Drake May is legit. Drake May is absolutely legit. I
goot the shadow, Jim Nance and Tony Romo because I'm
a you know, an analyst and a broadcaster as well.
So I was there to watch the greats do their job,
but we sat down with them as humble as you
can get. Rabel loves them. I obviously know Rabel and
Todd really well. And a big part of Todd Bowles
is trying to get you know, rookie quarterbackshirt second quarterbacks,
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young quarterbacks off their game. And Drake may you know,
stood up well. He started slow, but he he ended
as well as you can end and played as well
as you can against a Todd Bowles led defense. So
this this guy's a legit MVP case. I sat down
with him. He's special. I think New England's got their
guy for quite a long time.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Well look, and that's a lot coming from you because
you not only played against, but you played with.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Tom Brady bringing in you know, Drake Mayn too. This equation.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
When you look at both quarterbacks, what stands out about
Drake that kind of reminds you of somebody like a
Tom Brady.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Man man toon. That's so that's a huge comparison. This
this early on. I'm not going to just throw that
out there that quick, but I would just say and man, tay.
You know this, it's it's your ability to have resilience
and to stand up against adversity. And like I said,
he didn't play well in the first quarter. And you
know a lot of young players football is easy for
them a lot of their life and then the NFL
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might be the first time they're hit with some real
adversity on the field. And his ability to process, his
ability to kind of rally and play his best ball
down to stretch was impressive. And also sit down with
Josh McDaniels, you know, they said that his mental his
processing powers through the roof. And I know Tom Brady
was quite the process or the line of scrimmage, checking
them into the right place. So Drake May has a
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lot of that command. Obviously, Josh McDaniels coordinated for Tom Brady,
also coordinates and calls plays for Drake May. So he's
really impressed with his mental and his intelligence. And we
don't always talk about that about the guy. So he's
really doing a lot at the line of scrimmage and
he kind of doesn't get off his game. He kind
of stays resilient throughout. So those are two most impressive
things about him.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Logan after the Bucks lost, Baker Mayfield told the media
that losing that game should really really hurt for the guys,
and they face Josh Allen this week upcoming here. So
how do you, if you're Baker in the Bucks, channel
that disappointment that hurt into potentially a win this week.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
Look, I think Baker is perfect for the city of Tampa,
like they love him down here. His personality through and through.
He is the alpha leader of that team. And that
team has Levonte Davids and Vidaveas. They have great leadership
and Baker takes command of that because he knows what
he can do now that he has belief. We talked
to Baker about the belief he has with this organization,
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so he has the ability. I didn't get a strip
sack there, which is crazy. He has really strong hands,
by the way. I couldn't believe he didn't fumble that.
By the way, it is a sack though, But let
me get back to my point. But I believe that
Baker is the leader. And the thing about Todd Bowles
being in his meeting rooms every single week, it's a
new defense. So here they're gonna have a completely new
defensive plan from Josh Allen that what they did last week,
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whether it worked or didn't work last week, he's going
to have some new stuff for Josh Allen. He's definitely
great at coming after quarterbacks. You know he'll do that.
So the defense will be locking loaded to go, and
now they have their leader on offense. I don't worry
about the Bucks. The Bucks are going to get in
the playoffs. Then it's a matter can you beat a
Baker Mayfield and can you beat a Todd Bowles's defense.
So that's week to week there. But I'm not worried
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about the Bucks. They got the right guy at quarterback
and that's Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Logan, I want to go back to that game, the
Bucks and the Pats, and you're the perfect person to
speak about these teams because you played for both teams
and both head coaches. You got Mike Rabel on one side,
Todd Bowles on the other side.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I want to know, how do.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
These coaches styles differ?
Speaker 8 (13:19):
How are they similar?
Speaker 9 (13:20):
What do you think when you compare and look at
these two side by side.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Man, that's a great that's a great question, Seth. You know,
off the top of my head, I would say that
they're great guys to play for. They are authentically themselves.
They are not trying to be anybody else. Mike Rabel's
not trying to be Bill Belichick. Todd Bowles is not
trying to be anybody else. They are themselves. They take
ownership when things don't go wrong, and I think that
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they're both guys that players love to play for. I
would say Mike uh kind of New England does what
they do, meaning the playbook kind of stays the same,
and he's going to demand excellence. He's going to make
it really simple, so you kind of know what you
got to do weekend and week out. You're going to
build on that identity weekend and week out. Todd's gonna
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have his identity, but it's much more game plan in
a sense where he's going to change, like I said,
completely different defenses from week to week. Like the defense
itself can look completely different an swan Winfield can play
a completely new position next week in that defense because
he's so flexible on how he goes about it. But
they're great game managers. They're great with their timeouts and
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situational football, so they're really similar. But I think the
difference is how many different wrinkles Todd puts in his defense,
where Rabel kind of builds that standard from week to
week defensively.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
At least you're so good with all those nuances. It's
an awesome answer. You're also, dude, incredible in the community.
Way back in twenty seventeen, you and your wife Ashley
founded the Ryan Animal Rescue Foundation. Last month, you were
honored with the twenty twenty five ASPCA Public Service Award.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We have a clip logan We're gonna listen to us.
Take a listen, and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
I feel all the people can volunteer and actually work
for to day onto worthy of this award. It was
never my intention to start one of the largest run
minority foundations in the United States. I've obviously tackled the
image of what the NFL has dealt with, but I
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also think we should highlight people like myself that constantly
made the right decisions.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
We just wanted to see.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Something and do something, and that's why I encourage all
you guys. If you see something, do something, don't.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Be afraid to be a leader.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
And that's how my story came to life.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Pretty cool man, tell us more about why you and
ask you started this foundation?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What the award means to you? Guys?
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Well, two things there, Kyle. One, I broke the turtleneck
out kind of early. First, want to bring up the
turtle next season. Okay, just gonna all all one color
monotone there. I don't know if I like it or
I'm not sure that. Secondly, I hit the Conrad Gregord.
I want to thank myself when I'm up there for
what I did. But look, man, I love animals. My
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wife worked in the animal shelter. When I was trying
to find my calls, I knew in the NFL when
I had a platform, I wanted to make something bigger,
better than bigger, and better than me. It was going
to be animals. And we've rescued three dogs. Personally, we
promote adoption, We raise tons of money for all animal
shelters out there. And they decide to give me the award,
(16:23):
and actually they mailed me the ward. I've been on
the road, so it's pretty heavy. I wasn't able to
carry that on the plane, but they can I open
it now.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I haven't opened it yet. Yeah, do it.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Come on, I'm boxing, show my address. Here we go,
So we got a lie.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
All right. Yeah, that's the opening.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
Of this award here and like I said, we go.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I've been busy.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Hopefully the tape, you know, we can get it before
commercial break.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
So many pop quarantine outs. I bet in their watch
their hair thumbs. Come on, here we go.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
First of all, I think my wife left their clutch.
I thought that'd give us a bag.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, Oh, there we go.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
So it's nice and wrapped up. Well, let's let's fust
up the wrapping.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Also, Logan casually has two lombar he is behind them.
If you want to watch that.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Yeah, this is going up there. Man, listen, this is harder.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Look at that. Man.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Yeah, beautiful, you go, beautiful.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Here we go, man, live on wrapping for you guys
on Good Morning Football. But look, man, I'm super honored,
and you know, I'm just a football player that tries
to do the most of my platform and all that stuff.
But I really, you know, donate some ward to all
the people that you know working animal shelters that volunteer
and really do this.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
For a living.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
I don't make the money that I make to do it,
so really the award is for all those people out there.
All my animal lovers out there, please adopt awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All right, you're the bestman, nobody better.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
Congratulations for it up on the shelf later, dude, Good morning.
Speaker 11 (17:58):
Football the New York Giants. It ends with a twenty one,
forty one and one record for seasons in total. And
like we said, Kafka now takes over. This is a
tough time for the Giants. They got their great quarterback,
they've got really young electric offensive play makers man Schai.
But now they are in search behind the Tennessee Titans
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for a new head coach.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Well, also, Joe Shane is being retained and he'll be
helping with that search. And I hope in that search
that they find somebody that just doesn't only call plays,
whether it's defensively or offensively, that they find somebody that
can stand in front of a room command respective men.
That's the main thing. When you're looking at the head coach,
look no further than the best teams in the league
and look at the qualities of the head coaches that
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they have there.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I promise you some of.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Them can call offensive places, some of them can call
defensive plays, but all of them have the ability to
stand in front of fifty three men and command the
respect of that room. So I wish them luck as
they go on this search. Just always look at the
qualities of the head coach and not just to play calling.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
No, you're absolutely correct.
Speaker 12 (18:56):
I mean they haven't been even in a Super Bowl
conversationation since I've retired, right, and I won a Super
Bowl with them back in twenty eleven time. No disrespect
to the current coach of regime, No disrespect to day Bo.
I think he's one heck of a play caller. I
just don't think that every play caller is meant to
be a head coach, and I think that might be
the case, at least in New York for day Bo.
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Hopefully he prods another opportunity. But thirty three winning percent
inch over four years, it's just not going to get
it done. To the Giants organization, I know what their
standard of excellence is and they were not even smelling
or sniffing remotely close to it. So they have to
go another direction and hopefully they can take a land
on their feet.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I mean, they don't really do the end season firing.
It's not something they like to do. They felt obviously
that strongly they had to go with it. I just
got wasn't it twenty minutes ago that this Giants team
was beating up the Eagles on national television and kids
were dressing up for Halloween as Giants.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Players like Skataboo and Dark. That just happened. It was
like a week ago, and now it's all gone to crap.
I would just say this.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
You know, you always hear special teams are a third
of the game. It's really not true. They're a fifth
of the game. There's offense, there's defense, there's special teams,
there's officiating, and there's injuries.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And you know, I would have loved to see.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
This Giants team this year with Jackson Dart and Cam
Scatabu and Malik Neighbors and all across the board. And
I would have liked to see what Brian Dable could
do with him this offense that he personally curated, did
not inherit, but handpicked to coach.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I get it.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Everybody has injuries, and they had injuries too, and it's
just it went bad so fast. I hate seeing this
because I'll just cards on the table. I like Brian
Dable as a man, I like him as a leader.
I know why they did this, but I don't like
that it happened. And I also say two things. This,
this head coaching search for the Giants, I think it
might be their most important one in history, in the
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history of the one hundred and one years or whatever
they have, because they cannot blow this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They cannot blow Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
You cannot throw them into the cycle where every year
he has a new coach, a new coordinator, because he's
going to be gone on some other team in.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A few years if you do that. Lastly, every single
member of.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Bill's mafia the second this happened said, great, bring table
to the Buffalo, bring them, let's go, bring them back.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He's the guy who got Josh to go.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
From being a promising player to bring him back, bring
him back. And I would probably agree with that. Sean
McDermott immediately yesterday saying there are no plans, that's not
a consideration at all. Now that's a complicated thing with
their guy Joe Brady and wanting to make sure everybody
is confident. But the Bills offense is playing horrible. A
guy who launched Josh Allen into the stratosphere is available,
I don't know. I would take a look maybe if not, now,
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we are you going to lose again next weekend and
then do it? I would do it, but McDermott's going
to do his thing and not a lot changes there.
So Dabel I don't know how to put a cap
on a Jamie other than say it sucks.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We hate firings here.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
He had a lot of promise in the twenty twenty
two season, but it went bad and went.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Bad really quickly.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
It was a good reminder Kyle as how we got
here at Brian Dable, which is he had his handprints
all over what we know now of Josh Allen. And
this would be complicated even if the Bills were undefeated
at this point, if they were going well, you always
think what if Brian Dabele was back in that building. However,
things aren't going well in Buffalo, so it is a
good thing to keep an eye on Western New York.
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With that, however, we don't worry about the Bills right now,
Mike Carofolo.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
What we do want to worry about, because.
Speaker 11 (22:06):
Zoomtite is how the Giants navigate this over the back
half of the season. Considering Mike Kafka will take over
these play calling duties. Where do the Giants go from here?
Ahead of what we now know will be a head.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Coaching search, Jamie.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
If I know that Giants building, and I think I
do a little bit having been around it for a
couple of decades, I would say that you should expect
some familiar names at least to be part of this
coaching search. And I can just name a couple right
up the top of my head. Antonio Pierce, who played
there and has some head coaching experience with the Raiders, which,
by the way, Pete Carroll's not doing much better with
the Raiders than he did, so that's certainly.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
His case for it. He did not have talent. Pete
actually has.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Better talent at the quarterback position. Steve Spagnolo is another one.
Still don't understand why he has not gotten a second
head coaching job. This is an organization that certainly knows
him well from.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Multiple stints there.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Lul Leedromo another guy with connections to the Giants and
connections to the area as well, expected to be one
of the top head coaching candidates.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Now I had his name.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Three defensive guys right there. I just did a little
bit of exercise right here, Jamie, Giants haven't hired an
offensive minded, excuse me, a defensive minded head coach since
Bill Parcell's back in nineteen eighty three. I did this
really quickly. If I got this wrong, I don't think
I did. I'm pretty sure the rest of the NFL,
other than the Baltimore Ravens, who didn't exist in nineteen
eighty three, have hired a defensive head coach within that timeframe.
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So maybe it's time for the Giants to say, forget
trying to find the play caller.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Let's look at the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Somebody's got to be more of a Tom Coughlin lead
that building. Forget the x's and oh's. A leader of men,
we're a leader of men season. Here at thirty one
degrees outs time for a leader of men's season.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
Jamie, Mike Carfalo, you should have seen all the body
language at the table. As you continue to mention defensive
head coaches, You're like, so, let me get this straight.
You're going to make that suggestion with a Jackson Dart,
with a cam skataboo, with all those options offensively and
carefullows like, here are three names defensively and Kyle.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Brandt is no Matt agrees. I do agree. Head coach,
not play caller. Head coach, leader up.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Then you can hire an offensive coordinator for that.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
I will lead these men and all the men of
men and watching this show.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
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Speaker 11 (24:13):
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Speaker 2 (24:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Morning Football.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
It was rough for you Steelers fans, Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh.
He threw two interceptions, sacked three times, including this safety.
Steelers filled to the charges twenty five to ten. Well, yesterday,
head coach Mike Tollin was asked, but what he thought
about his quarterbacks play lately.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I'm not gonna, you know, chalk it up here an
Auday night, but there are no long term concerns. Sunday
night was what it was, but I have no long
term reservations about his ability to play the position and
play the position at a high level for us. So
with that understanding, we're going back to work this week
and we got to put together a better plan.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
We got to make more plays.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So unfamiliar territory, if heels like for the Steelers a
go As of late, they lost three of their last
four games. But as we know, Mike Gee, Mike Tomlin
likes to say, the standard is the standard. So as
you look at this, what do you make of the
Steelers right now?
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Something's bothering me with the Steelers right now, And maybe
somebody's going to tell me that I'm wrong about this,
and it's just kind of sort of hyperbole and I
don't remember five, six, seven years ago whatever. But Aaron
Rodgers reactions to his own teammates, to maybe himself, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
There's been a lot of this. It's hilarious, a lot
of them.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
And I don't love it, right Like, this is not
He's strongly hinted that this could be his last NFL season.
He hasn't really closed the door or or solidified that,
but is this is this with the last vestiges of.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Land nice guys? Come on?
Speaker 5 (01:58):
I mean the one time where he got knocked over,
right and he's yelling, that's a different, But this is
like and I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Reading his lips.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Oh yet, well, yeah, I didn't know that one was
in there.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
They're all in there. We're still so we're not even
looping this. Yeah, they're new ones, right, Like what And.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
I'm not gonna pretend like I know what's going on
in his head, but like, I just.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This leaves me to believe like the whole thing just.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Not on solid ground right now, Like, come on, Aaron,
this is your last? This is this should be the
Derek Jeter, Mariano rivera farewell tour, giving you gifts and
say waving the opposing fat I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
This is I don't know what's going on. Well, here's
what's going on. This has always been Rogers. It's not new.
He's just not caring anymore.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
He's always felt that way, Okay, always, This goes back
to when he was sitting behind far If you felt
that way, that's Rogers. He just as you get older,
Mike and you can relate to this, and I'm sure
in your own life you just don't care anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm just gonna be me.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
So that's always been the guy, and he is just
letting it out where I come out on the stairs.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
What do we make of the five and four Steelers
right now?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
The state of them and the conversation about them is
extremely reactive instant on and on NFL news cycle week
to week to week.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
I'm not going to sit here and say this was
a great game against the Charge. It was a bad game.
It was a bad.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Road trip to California, and they got housed for the offense.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I thought the defense was okay.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
They held Herbert and Check, they didn't get run all
over they had, didn't give up any huge runs at all.
Because remember a month ago, I'm old enough to remember,
everyone said the Steelers defense was crap.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
But the week to week thing.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
Guys, one week ago, right before the Chargers game, do
you not remember the Steelers completely housing the sweetheart Colts.
Jonathan Taylor did nothing in this game. He was completely stuffed.
Daniel Jones, the story of the year, was completely turned
inside out by the Steelers defense.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
This was not back in Week two, this week nine.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Okay, you have to at least give them some equity
for this game in which the number one story team
quarterback running back. I thought the Colts had the best
offensive line in the entire league. Why did Daniel Jones
have half a second against the Steelers front? All Right,
if you want to go quick, reactive, hot take on
most teams in the league, I would say twenty eight
teams in the league. Fine, the Steelers organization, You've got
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to give them a little bit of equity of Yes,
that was a bad game, but year after year they
turn into winning product, and I'm gonna give them so
much equity. I'm gonna do something that I hate. I'm
gonna do something that hate. I'm gonna look at what
do they say? You either die hero or live long
enough to see yourself become the villain. I hate the
segment where you put up a team schedule and just
say win loss, win loss.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I'm doing it, going.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
It right now, Steelers remaining schedule. I'm going to do
it all right for Starting in the upper left, the Bengals.
Remember the Steelers are five and four. They're gonna win
this weekend. That's the Steelers are six and four. They're
gonna lose at the Bears. They're gonna lose to the Bills.
They're gonna lose at the Ravens. That's not good. That
puts them at six and seven. As we go to
the right column. But wait, it's the Steelers, it's Tomlin.
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They will beat the Dolphins to get to seven and seven.
They will lose at Detroit to get to a terrible
seven and eight. Then they beat the Browns at eight
and eighth and Baltimore, likely with nothing to play with.
Unless something miraculous happens, the Steelers win guests with the
record is Boys and Girls nine and eight, and through
some sort of tie breaking scenario that may even involve
(05:21):
an actual tie in somebody's record. The Steelers will be
in the wild Card round. Take this clip, save this clip.
That was an awful trip to the Chargers. That game
did not look good. Rogers are screaming at people. Rodgers's
missing receivers nine and eight will be there after week eighteen.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I promise you. I'm saying it live and play it
back later.
Speaker 7 (05:40):
I'm taking the clip and I'm saving the clip. Not
for what, not for the win lossleek.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
For what Kyle just did for two days in a row.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
KB just went against everything that we stand for on
this show, everything that I was taught by that man
himself of what we do and what we don't do.
KB in the past two days, in past twenty four
hours has broken a lot of the GMFB commandments that
we have on this show.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
So I am so happy right now. Okay, with that.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Being said, Manti, I'm going to shatter the stone tablets.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm going to do pretenders versus Contenders.
Speaker 6 (06:15):
I'm going to do factor fiction, I'm gonna do X factors,
I'm gonna do all of them.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I'm just starting to go nuts right now.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yeah, No, I want to go back to somebody that
Mike g brought up.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
His name is Mariano Rivera.
Speaker 7 (06:37):
For the younger crowd that doesn't know who Mariano Rivera is,
He's known as one of the greatest closers in Major
League Baseball. And the reason why I like that reference
is because when I think about the the Arthur Smith offense,
there's a lot of talk about how Aaron Rodgers has
been doing. The thing about it is the system that
he's in, and he did choose.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
The system, the Arthur Smith.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
This system is designed to close out games. However, it
does not have the scoring ability to come back from deficits. Guys,
did you know that Arthur Smith led offense has not ever,
whether he's been a head coach or a coordinator, has
not come back from a deficit larger than thirteen points.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Has never.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
They have not been able to come back from a
deficit more than eight points with under five minutes left
in the game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
How many games.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Have we seen this year, guys, where there have been
at least twenty one twenty eight points scored with two
minutes left. I mean, watching at Cincinnati and Chicago Bears game.
I don't know how many points were scored in the
last two minutes of the game, but it was more
than eight.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And so when you think about Aaron.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Rodgers and you think about this offense, and you think
about the weapons that they have, majority of the weapons,
since favorite targets are tight ends. Guys, they played mainly
thirteen personnel, which is one running back, three tight ends.
So then you add Aaron Rodgers to this equation, you're
not going to have an offense that's explosive. And in
twenty twenty five, I can't count on both hands the
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amount offenses that can put up many points, a lot
of points in a short amount of time. So, yes,
has Aaron Rodgers seen his struggles, yes, has the offense
offensive line seeing their struggles. Yes, But when you put
in the in the grand scheme of what this system,
this Artis Smith system was designed to do, it doesn't
help his It doesn't help his case, it doesn't help
(08:23):
the Pittsburgh students case. And being able to be in
these games, in these close games, and come.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Back and win.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And as you mentioned it, Kyle, you either lived to
be the hero or you die the villain. Twenty one
seasons of Aaron Rodgers playing football in the NFL. So certainly,
a lot of case there to be made.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
Good mom Mom.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Former NFL defensive bag Logan Ryan. He spent the entire
commercial break talking with Seth Rollins about a barber that
they both know who cuts hair in the WWE, in
the NFL world. That's just kind of the stuff he
talks about. Logan, what's up, man, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Man?
Speaker 8 (09:10):
Yeah, my barber Drew the barber drew the barber Seth
and the w W stars. He cuts the ww guys now,
so he h. I'm not I'm not, you know, famous
enough to get cut by him anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
I guess.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
He cuts them and Seth cuts promos. That's just it's fine.
That's how they do it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Logan. You have all kinds of things going on, and
you had an award we're going to talk about. But
before we get to it, dude, Patriots Bucks.
Speaker 6 (09:33):
You were at the game on Sunday. Pats are on
a seven game winning streak. This is like the Logan
Ryan ball. What was your biggest takeaway from watching them
beat the Buccaneers.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
Drake May is legit. Drake May is absolutely legit. I
goot the shadow, Jim Nance and Tony Romo because I'm
a you know, an analyst and a broadcaster as well.
So I was there to watch the greats do their job,
but we sat down with them as humble as you
can get. Rabel loves them. I obviously know Rabel and
Todd really well. And a big part of Todd Bowles
is trying to get you know, rookie quarterbackshirt second quarterbacks,
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young quarterbacks off their game. And Drake may you know,
stood up well. He started slow, but he he ended
as well as you can end and played as well
as you can against a Todd Bowles led defense. So
this this guy's a legit MVP case. I sat down
with him. He's special. I think New England's got their
guy for quite a long time.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
Well look, and that's a lot coming from you because
you not only played against, but you played with.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Tom Brady bringing in you know, Drake Mayn too. This equation.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
When you look at both quarterbacks, what stands out about
Drake that kind of reminds you of somebody like a
Tom Brady.
Speaker 8 (10:38):
Man man toon. That's so that's a huge comparison. This
this early on. I'm not going to just throw that
out there that quick, but I would just say and man, tay.
You know this, it's it's your ability to have resilience
and to stand up against adversity. And like I said,
he didn't play well in the first quarter. And you
know a lot of young players football is easy for
them a lot of their life and then the NFL
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might be the first time they're hit with some real
adversity on the field. And his ability to process, his
ability to kind of rally and play his best ball
down to stretch was impressive. And also sit down with
Josh McDaniels, you know, they said that his mental his
processing powers through the roof. And I know Tom Brady
was quite the process or the line of scrimmage, checking
them into the right place. So Drake May has a
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lot of that command. Obviously, Josh McDaniels coordinated for Tom Brady,
also coordinates and calls plays for Drake May. So he's
really impressed with his mental and his intelligence. And we
don't always talk about that about the guy. So he's
really doing a lot at the line of scrimmage and
he kind of doesn't get off his game. He kind
of stays resilient throughout. So those are two most impressive
things about him.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
Logan after the Bucks lost, Baker Mayfield told the media
that losing that game should really really hurt for the guys,
and they face Josh Allen this week upcoming here. So
how do you, if you're Baker in the Bucks, channel
that disappointment that hurt into potentially a win this week.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
Look, I think Baker is perfect for the city of Tampa,
like they love him down here. His personality through and through.
He is the alpha leader of that team. And that
team has Levonte Davids and Vidaveas. They have great leadership
and Baker takes command of that because he knows what
he can do now that he has belief. We talked
to Baker about the belief he has with this organization,
(12:15):
so he has the ability. I didn't get a strip
sack there, which is crazy. He has really strong hands,
by the way. I couldn't believe he didn't fumble that.
By the way, it is a sack though, But let
me get back to my point. But I believe that
Baker is the leader. And the thing about Todd Bowles
being in his meeting rooms every single week, it's a
new defense. So here they're gonna have a completely new
defensive plan from Josh Allen that what they did last week,
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whether it worked or didn't work last week, he's going
to have some new stuff for Josh Allen. He's definitely
great at coming after quarterbacks. You know he'll do that.
So the defense will be locking loaded to go, and
now they have their leader on offense. I don't worry
about the Bucks. The Bucks are going to get in
the playoffs. Then it's a matter can you beat a
Baker Mayfield and can you beat a Todd Bowles's defense.
So that's week to week there. But I'm not worried
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about the Bucks. They got the right guy at quarterback
and that's Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 9 (13:03):
Logan, I want to go back to that game, the
Bucks and the Pats, and you're the perfect person to
speak about these teams because you played for both teams
and both head coaches. You got Mike Rabel on one side,
Todd Bowles on the other side.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I want to know, how do.
Speaker 9 (13:17):
These coaches styles differ?
Speaker 8 (13:19):
How are they similar?
Speaker 9 (13:20):
What do you think when you compare and look at
these two side by side.
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Man, that's a great that's a great question, Seth. You know,
off the top of my head, I would say that
they're great guys to play for. They are authentically themselves.
They are not trying to be anybody else. Mike Rabel's
not trying to be Bill Belichick. Todd Bowles is not
trying to be anybody else. They are themselves. They take
ownership when things don't go wrong, and I think that
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they're both guys that players love to play for. I
would say Mike uh kind of New England does what
they do, meaning the playbook kind of stays the same,
and he's going to demand excellence. He's going to make
it really simple, so you kind of know what you
got to do weekend and week out. You're going to
build on that identity weekend and week out. Todd's gonna
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have his identity, but it's much more game plan in
a sense where he's going to change, like I said,
completely different defenses from week to week. Like the defense
itself can look completely different an swan Winfield can play
a completely new position next week in that defense because
he's so flexible on how he goes about it. But
they're great game managers. They're great with their timeouts and
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situational football, so they're really similar. But I think the
difference is how many different wrinkles Todd puts in his defense,
where Rabel kind of builds that standard from week to
week defensively.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
At least you're so good with all those nuances. It's
an awesome answer. You're also, dude, incredible in the community.
Way back in twenty seventeen, you and your wife Ashley
founded the Ryan Animal Rescue Foundation. Last month, you were
honored with the twenty twenty five ASPCA Public Service Award.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
We have a clip logan We're gonna listen to us.
Take a listen, and then we'll talk about it.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
I feel all the people can volunteer and actually work
for to day onto worthy of this award. It was
never my intention to start one of the largest run
minority foundations in the United States. I've obviously tackled the
image of what the NFL has dealt with, but I
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also think we should highlight people like myself that constantly
made the right decisions.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
We just wanted to see.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
Something and do something, and that's why I encourage all
you guys. If you see something, do something, don't.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Be afraid to be a leader.
Speaker 8 (15:31):
And that's how my story came to life.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
Pretty cool man, tell us more about why you and
ask you started this foundation?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
What the award means to you? Guys?
Speaker 8 (15:40):
Well, two things there, Kyle. One, I broke the turtleneck
out kind of early. First, want to bring up the
turtle next season. Okay, just gonna all all one color
monotone there. I don't know if I like it or
I'm not sure that. Secondly, I hit the Conrad Gregord.
I want to thank myself when I'm up there for
what I did. But look, man, I love animals. My
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wife worked in the animal shelter. When I was trying
to find my calls, I knew in the NFL when
I had a platform, I wanted to make something bigger,
better than bigger, and better than me. It was going
to be animals. And we've rescued three dogs. Personally, we
promote adoption, We raise tons of money for all animal
shelters out there. And they decide to give me the award,
(16:23):
and actually they mailed me the ward. I've been on
the road, so it's pretty heavy. I wasn't able to
carry that on the plane, but they can I open
it now.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I haven't opened it yet. Yeah, do it.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Come on, I'm boxing, show my address. Here we go,
So we got a lie.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
All right. Yeah, that's the opening.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
Of this award here and like I said, we go.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I've been busy.
Speaker 8 (16:42):
Hopefully the tape, you know, we can get it before
commercial break.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
So many pop quarantine outs. I bet in their watch
their hair thumbs. Come on, here we go.
Speaker 8 (16:50):
First of all, I think my wife left their clutch.
I thought that'd give us a bag.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, Oh, there we go.
Speaker 8 (16:58):
So it's nice and wrapped up. Well, let's let's fust
up the wrapping.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Also, Logan casually has two lombar he is behind them.
If you want to watch that.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Yeah, this is going up there. Man, listen, this is harder.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Look at that. Man.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
Yeah, beautiful, you go, beautiful.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Here we go, man, live on wrapping for you guys
on Good Morning Football. But look, man, I'm super honored,
and you know, I'm just a football player that tries
to do the most of my platform and all that stuff.
But I really, you know, donate some ward to all
the people that you know working animal shelters that volunteer
and really do this.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
For a living.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
I don't make the money that I make to do it,
so really the award is for all those people out there.
All my animal lovers out there, please adopt awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All right, you're the bestman, nobody better.
Speaker 10 (17:44):
Congratulations for it up on the shelf later, dude, Good morning.
Speaker 11 (17:58):
Football the New York Giants. It ends with a twenty one,
forty one and one record for seasons in total. And
like we said, Kafka now takes over. This is a
tough time for the Giants. They got their great quarterback,
they've got really young electric offensive play makers man Schai.
But now they are in search behind the Tennessee Titans
(18:19):
for a new head coach.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
Well, also, Joe Shane is being retained and he'll be
helping with that search. And I hope in that search
that they find somebody that just doesn't only call plays,
whether it's defensively or offensively, that they find somebody that
can stand in front of a room command respective men.
That's the main thing. When you're looking at the head coach,
look no further than the best teams in the league
and look at the qualities of the head coaches that
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they have there.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I promise you some of.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
Them can call offensive places, some of them can call
defensive plays, but all of them have the ability to
stand in front of fifty three men and command the
respect of that room. So I wish them luck as
they go on this search. Just always look at the
qualities of the head coach and not just to play calling.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
No, you're absolutely correct.
Speaker 12 (18:56):
I mean they haven't been even in a Super Bowl
conversationation since I've retired, right, and I won a Super
Bowl with them back in twenty eleven time. No disrespect
to the current coach of regime, No disrespect to day Bo.
I think he's one heck of a play caller. I
just don't think that every play caller is meant to
be a head coach, and I think that might be
the case, at least in New York for day Bo.
(19:16):
Hopefully he prods another opportunity. But thirty three winning percent
inch over four years, it's just not going to get
it done. To the Giants organization, I know what their
standard of excellence is and they were not even smelling
or sniffing remotely close to it. So they have to
go another direction and hopefully they can take a land
on their feet.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
I mean, they don't really do the end season firing.
It's not something they like to do. They felt obviously
that strongly they had to go with it. I just
got wasn't it twenty minutes ago that this Giants team
was beating up the Eagles on national television and kids
were dressing up for Halloween as Giants.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Players like Skataboo and Dark. That just happened. It was
like a week ago, and now it's all gone to crap.
I would just say this.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
You know, you always hear special teams are a third
of the game. It's really not true. They're a fifth
of the game. There's offense, there's defense, there's special teams,
there's officiating, and there's injuries.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And you know, I would have loved to see.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
This Giants team this year with Jackson Dart and Cam
Scatabu and Malik Neighbors and all across the board. And
I would have liked to see what Brian Dable could
do with him this offense that he personally curated, did
not inherit, but handpicked to coach.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I get it.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Everybody has injuries, and they had injuries too, and it's
just it went bad so fast. I hate seeing this
because I'll just cards on the table. I like Brian
Dable as a man, I like him as a leader.
I know why they did this, but I don't like
that it happened. And I also say two things. This,
this head coaching search for the Giants, I think it
might be their most important one in history, in the
(20:41):
history of the one hundred and one years or whatever
they have, because they cannot blow this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
They cannot blow Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
You cannot throw them into the cycle where every year
he has a new coach, a new coordinator, because he's
going to be gone on some other team in.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
A few years if you do that. Lastly, every single
member of.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Bill's mafia the second this happened said, great, bring table
to the Buffalo, bring them, let's go, bring them back.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He's the guy who got Josh to go.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
From being a promising player to bring him back, bring
him back. And I would probably agree with that. Sean
McDermott immediately yesterday saying there are no plans, that's not
a consideration at all. Now that's a complicated thing with
their guy Joe Brady and wanting to make sure everybody
is confident. But the Bills offense is playing horrible. A
guy who launched Josh Allen into the stratosphere is available,
I don't know. I would take a look maybe if not, now,
(21:25):
we are you going to lose again next weekend and
then do it? I would do it, but McDermott's going
to do his thing and not a lot changes there.
So Dabel I don't know how to put a cap
on a Jamie other than say it sucks.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
We hate firings here.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
He had a lot of promise in the twenty twenty
two season, but it went bad and went.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Bad really quickly.
Speaker 11 (21:40):
It was a good reminder Kyle as how we got
here at Brian Dable, which is he had his handprints
all over what we know now of Josh Allen. And
this would be complicated even if the Bills were undefeated
at this point, if they were going well, you always
think what if Brian Dabele was back in that building. However,
things aren't going well in Buffalo, so it is a
good thing to keep an eye on Western New York.
(22:01):
With that, however, we don't worry about the Bills right now,
Mike Carofolo.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
What we do want to worry about, because.
Speaker 11 (22:06):
Zoomtite is how the Giants navigate this over the back
half of the season. Considering Mike Kafka will take over
these play calling duties. Where do the Giants go from here?
Ahead of what we now know will be a head.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Coaching search, Jamie.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
If I know that Giants building, and I think I
do a little bit having been around it for a
couple of decades, I would say that you should expect
some familiar names at least to be part of this
coaching search. And I can just name a couple right
up the top of my head. Antonio Pierce, who played
there and has some head coaching experience with the Raiders, which,
by the way, Pete Carroll's not doing much better with
the Raiders than he did, so that's certainly.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
His case for it. He did not have talent. Pete
actually has.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Better talent at the quarterback position. Steve Spagnolo is another one.
Still don't understand why he has not gotten a second
head coaching job. This is an organization that certainly knows
him well from.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Multiple stints there.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
Lul Leedromo another guy with connections to the Giants and
connections to the area as well, expected to be one
of the top head coaching candidates.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Now I had his name.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Three defensive guys right there. I just did a little
bit of exercise right here, Jamie, Giants haven't hired an
offensive minded, excuse me, a defensive minded head coach since
Bill Parcell's back in nineteen eighty three. I did this
really quickly. If I got this wrong, I don't think
I did. I'm pretty sure the rest of the NFL,
other than the Baltimore Ravens, who didn't exist in nineteen
eighty three, have hired a defensive head coach within that timeframe.
(23:26):
So maybe it's time for the Giants to say, forget
trying to find the play caller.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Let's look at the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Somebody's got to be more of a Tom Coughlin lead
that building. Forget the x's and oh's. A leader of men,
we're a leader of men season. Here at thirty one
degrees outs time for a leader of men's season.
Speaker 11 (23:42):
Jamie, Mike Carfalo, you should have seen all the body
language at the table. As you continue to mention defensive
head coaches, You're like, so, let me get this straight.
You're going to make that suggestion with a Jackson Dart,
with a cam skataboo, with all those options offensively and
carefullows like, here are three names defensively and Kyle.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Brandt is no Matt agrees. I do agree. Head coach,
not play caller. Head coach, leader up.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Then you can hire an offensive coordinator for that.
Speaker 11 (24:10):
I will lead these men and all the men of
men and watching this show.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's a commercial.
Speaker 11 (24:13):
Week ten is now in the books.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Good morning football,
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