For the grand finale of our special seven-week series, Cam revisits his conversation with Giants' defensive end Kayvon Thibodeaux, who shares his journey from being labeled a rookie bust to having a breakout 11.5 sack season. Kayvon opens up about being one of the early beneficiaries of the NIL in college and the challenges of handling financial gains at a young age. Then, Kayvon discusses how he stepped into his leadership role in only his second season in the league.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey,
don't worry, though, I got you new episodes coming your
way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
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in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
my favorite interviews from season one. For the grand finale
of our best season one interviews, I got something special
lined up for you, and not just because he's lined
up against opposing quarterbacks. We're spotlighting a young star on
the rise. But don't let his age fool you. This
guy's wise beyond his years. I'm talking about none other
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than Giants defensive end Kavon Thibodeau. So I appreciate you
for tapping in a young bull, young gun, a young
killer off the Edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from from Oregon. You know,
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fifth pick overall and twenty twenty two second year ran boy.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Went for for more than ten sacks, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I just appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean
beyond sacks. You know, you still pushed in another fifty tackles.
You know what to work. We played all this year
and you know you were a menace. You were a
minis on the line and I love them.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I love to see the best of us, the best
of us this time.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Bro, you had a kid named Tommy Cutlet spinning that thing.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know, he
almost got it done.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We gotta keep going, absolutely when you have a forty
million dollars quarterback that you hope to you know, be playing. Look,
I've been in that position where I've seen our starter
quarterback go down and the next man up have to
go and.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You could win, you could win some. But so I'm
gonna get away it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Get tough, Yeah, get to deep end.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a
smith and West and you're like, all right, we can
get the job done. So the second year, man, what
changed for you this year? You talk about for the
first year you got actially made. The second year you
turned it up.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Just the comfortability, you know you talk about being second
year in the system, second year, you know, going against
the best guys in the league, or the best guys
in the world, I should say, you just start to
feel more comfortable.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
You get a little more time to rest, you get
more time off.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You know, obviously coming off college, you got the draft
and all that to prepare for, so you never actually
get your body time to rest and time to you know,
focus on football.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So now I.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Had a full off season last year. I was able
to come in.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I was able to really focus on the game and
how to get better and what I need to get
better at. And then you know, I was able to
and then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence learning how
to rush the passer with you know, other guys Leonard Williams,
he got traded, but you know that was a guy
who kind of helped develop my game.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And then Disse on the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Other side, and every other man that's kind of stepped
up and been a part of the front. We've just
been you know, they've been a vessel and they've been
there to you know, help me grow and we've learned
how to rush as a unit, and that's kind of
that's was a testament to you know, the players we're
making that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
PC answer, Yeah, yeah, give Flowers to everybody. I can't.
I got to go to big your big grol step.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You clearly hooped in high school, Big big, big yearl step.
I see what you did there, big lag big Lane.
From the film that I've watched. I mean, you know,
your first year, you show, you show some glimpses. This
year it seemed like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Know how to say that without having to say pause.
You learn how to use your length more like it's
crazy work to help out, you.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Know, but as a deepens of m bro you learn
how to extend your arms out, lockout and as well
as uh, you know, your long arm and power sort
of came into play.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So for me, you know, I used to use long
arm in college.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But you start to play against guys that aren't you
know that they're not going forward as much as guys were.
You got Trent William, you got you know, Peney Sewel,
you got guys across the league who are you're not
You're not gonna let a guy's two hundred and fifty
five pounds long army, you know. And for me as
a rookie, I you know, you have that kind of
in your head right, It's like you're going to fight
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Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I know what this guy has,
so it kind of intimidates you and what you can do.
So me kind of coming into the second year, I
was able to build that confidence in the moves that
I've already had, but you know, able to kind of
believe in them a little more and start to, uh,
you know, put them on display, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Do you have a favorit pass social move now?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean I would say long arm.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know that's always when you got when you are
a guy with length, obviously you know you got to
keep guys at a distance because I'm not the strongest guy.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You know, you see a lot of guys kind of
just move guys out the way and dexter Lawrence Lenn
Williams or guys examples, even you are an example of that.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
When you have a little more.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Weight behind you, you can't you know, you can use
your moves, you can throw them around. But me now
being able to use the long arm, keep the link
and work off of it. You know, you start to
see how there's so many moves and it's really just
the angles. Your angles are a lot better off the
long arm rather than like last year I was. There
was a lot of running around the quarterback and it
was like I got pressures and I got you know, hits.
But I had to kind of shorten that angle because
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you know, guys are stepping up quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
They get paid money, they do for a reason.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Look, I like to switch it up into in my mind,
is its three really really two different angles. I think
about the speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and
I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna
set your ass down, you know, And I say three
at three angles because then like there's sometimes where you
go into.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
A wide nine ish.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And you you still angle them down. So now instead
of you know, meet no matter what you think, it
would be a speed angle, it's like a combination coming.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
You never yeah, you never realized how much geometry was
in football, right and all the angles?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Ale, Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hit a girl look girlfriend out there like so so
so bring that over here, you know, like, oh you
know how you know how to show in a stell?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Okay, come bringing it over here. Or a wife in
my case because you know I'm married with four kids.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life.
But now I'm not there. Yeah, but I'm a crossover soon. No, No,
I mean a relative as soon as relative.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
When that mustache and beard drop and connect, think about
when the connect, We'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, don't do that, don't do that. Don't enjoy enjoy,
enjoy you know year two, enjoy your three, four or
five six, Maybe introduce the idea.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Look, I think I got to your I was like
year four before people noticed when when he started talking,
he started whispering, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless, So
you know where exactly do you want to go with it?
But I'm sure you watched the games this weekend, Bro,
what what did you take away from the Conference championship games?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Because basically we all want to be there?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Oh man, obviously, Like dude, just first, I could you know,
I feel like a lot of a lot of people
were rooting for Lamar, and I'll just start off with
the Lamar Patrick Mahone's game.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
A lot of people are rooting for Lamar.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Because of the flat that he gets right, for his
style of play right, And I think us being players
and us knowing how to grind, like for example, you
do a swim move.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Your swim move is better than any swim move I've
ever seen.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
But I could promise that there are coaches or people
that probably told you along your lines that, oh, the
swim move is you know, that's not the move or
you know like that work. You've heard that, and you've
made it one hundred sacks, you know, in counting whatever
to get to that point. But yeah, man, you talk
about a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar
Jackson and what he can do and what he brings
to the game, and you know, all the flak that
(07:11):
he gets and all of the scrutiny that he's under, uh,
even though he is one of the you know, greatest athletic,
you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time
I think as far as athleticism and.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Ability, athleticism crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So you know, I feel like we're all rooted for him,
you know, watching the game. Obviously the Baltimore has a
great defense, but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they's
just been there too many times. I hate to say,
you've just been there too many times. You've done it
too many times.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
King of the Hill. You got to prove them. You
got to prove them they wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Because it's yeah, for super bowls now in five or
six years, even without this one, three super bowls in
five or.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Six years, got Chris Jones in the middle, Chris George
car is just living. Shout out to carloftas he's a boy.
You know, we were in the same Dravet class.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
He's right right a minute, a man crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And then the young guys in the back end, you know,
the dvs.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You gotta step up, you gotta make players, you gotta
stop it, and they making plays man. And I would say,
I would say on that, you know, when you just
talk about the game, it's tough when you know you
are fighting.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
That uphill battle, you know, and they fought.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
They obviously fall to the end, but you know it's
it's tough, man, So they're gonna get it, right.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I still I still see them being a good team.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
If you give him back three plays as a Flowers
could have been touched, doown the you know the interception.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And left I left the house right when he when
he caught it, and he and he did the he
got the flag. I was leaving and I'm like, oh yeah,
they're gonna score and I come back and I realized
the score was the same. I'm like, yo, it was
the touchback rule.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
What do you think about that? That touchback?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It is what he if you fall? I love it,
That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just desserts. Like, don't
we're not going to reward you for you Like you're
not going to get rewarded for trying to be Superman.
But at the same time, but Flowers as young as
he is bro like especial seasons he had as a rookie,
Like he's gonna continue building on that, like hopefully he
uses that as motivation becomes even like even more of
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a dog, which he already was.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It happens to the best of us. That's one of
the things that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's just you know, it happens, man, you know and
all that look on the same team, there was Marcus Williams,
like I believe his his rookie year he had something
similar happened like against you know, New Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But God, why did you just bring that up exactly?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Because that's like that's like the level that was there,
right so you can be you know, where you could
pivot one of two ways. You can get down to
yourself and not be a better player than you were before,
or you become like Marcus Williams, who you know, ended
up getting a major contract going crazy, had like seven
picks like two years, two seasons ago.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Like this, this is funny.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
It's funny how you say that, because like for me,
that was my last year, like going four and a
half sacks, Like that's obviously not what I wanted to
be or what I wanted to do. But it was
like for me, you know, when you watch the game
and you understand football, it's like a scheme. There's so
much that goes into getting a sack. There's I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You you can win, you can win all your reps
and still not get sacked.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Lets do not get a sack, and that's just that's
the game we play.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So for me, it was like at the time, it's
like damn man, Like people calling me bus people are like, oh,
this dude is you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The media and your first sack was off, Like let's
even talk about it. But if your rookie year, your
first sack was off with lamar Jack for the strip
sack fumble really to like.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
See it the way it was game, Yeah, it was
pretty much it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It was a blessing like you like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So there's there's flashes like as a rookie, you'd be like,
all right, bet, this is what we can build off of.
You can't label you can't label a rookie a bus
like I don't think. I don't think there's there should
be a logility to do so like rooking your one
is foundation year, Now show me something else.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's definitely, it's definitely you know, building grounds.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And I would say it's just tough, you know, when
you're a kid going through like you know, nineteen twenty
twenty or probably nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two,
your kid going through, you know, and you got the
world at your hands basically, and it's like even like
you know, like you said, it's a flower situation, like
this kid is just trying to make as many.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Plays as possible.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You know, he's never been at a stage bigger than this,
so it's like he has to prove you know, his
legacy in one game.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And it's like stuff just man.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the
game just goes away.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It goes and no doubt.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys.
You know, Hey, them old coaches. You should swear, man,
you got to listen to the football guys.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I believe, Yeah you can.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I believe in a football outlying source, brother Christian.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They can only be one guy.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not the word we should use it
the football energy.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah there.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
We got to respect the game. You gotta respect the
old coaches. We dropped that joint.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I came home one time, was like, man, the football gods,
and my mom looked at me. I was like, yes, ma'am, yeah,
not of clear, you're right, it ain't that football outliers energy.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I like, I like energy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I might use that one. But so then you go
to you know, you checked out that game which pat
mahone boys, just it just is what it is. He
catches a lot of hate for his outside circumstances.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
People like people like did you see his dad smoke
a cigar?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Did you see his dad and my dad his wife
being all happy and chipper? Can you like, I'm like, bro,
if people around me are having success. I'm going to
be the most annoying mug out there. I'm like, I'm
Jackson Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty yard like dancing.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
You can come on, I'm tiktoking, I'm dancing. I'm super
Bowl every year. Come on, bro, listen. I went to
the I went to the I went to the Bills,
the Bills Chiefs game. Right these first, Taylor Swift got
her own thing. It's it's it's uh, you know, it
got the it got the shade on the glass. Right
then the Mahomes families on the other side, as soon
as they open their box, snowballs just come flying in.
(12:54):
Like the fan the Bills fans are just lynching snowball
and the dad, you know, the dad is right in front,
and it's just so because he's you know, obviously he's
not a part of the Shenanigans, a TikTok and all
the fun.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He's Jason.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Is that the way is that with Jason Kelsey like
jumped on the.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Other side strow Exactly. Yeah, it was definitely a time.
But when you when you're winning, it's nothing people can
do other than look for other reasons to tear you down.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I don't like him because because I'm a winner that
he took over from Alex Smith.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
And thinking about look, I just I just seen a
tweet that's like, yo, Patrick Mahons is going to be
the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Like, watch how many quarterbacks? How many great quarterbacks don't
have a ring because of Patrick Mahons. And I was like, yo,
that that's true. It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and
you know all the rest of the guys. I was
out there with Michael Jordan's Yeah, your thirteen without a ring.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I'm like, yo, I got a question for you. So
that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.
(14:06):
I think it was a gil rid Arenas and they
were talking about would you would you rather get, you know,
a fifty million dollar contract and a ring or one
hundred million dollar contract and no ring.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I'd have to answer it. I don't answer your question.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Don't answer it because of what the media is gonna say.
Don't aspen.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh, I've got no fear of media.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Look, I'm only going to ask this, does it matter where?
Because it's gonna matter where for me because there's places
in this world like Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Could not offer me enough money to get there too cold.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like bro, my my only my only prayer before I
got drafted was Lord, don't send me anywhere cold Green Bay.
They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna make you
the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million dollars
a year, and I'd like, politely thank you for your offer.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm gonna take something else. Yeah, okay, I'm not Bro.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I'm never going to play somewhere cold, because after you see,
we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one hundred million dollar.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's still more money than I've ever wanted in my life.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I came in this game, I was like, Hey, I
leave with ten million dollars, I'm never gonna have to
work again.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
What I was like, Yo, I was like, I was like,
if I leave with ten I never have to work again, Mom,
never have to work again.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We're good man.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I passed that up like by year four or five,
you know. So Like so if you say fifty million
dollars in one hand, one hundred million dollars the other,
no ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a super Bowl ring.
But it's going to depend on the where. Yeah, it's
going to depend on where.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Get that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
If you say, yo, Kim, you can.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Stay in New Orleans for the fifty or you have
to go to New England for a hundred, I'll be.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right here in New Orleans jailing.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah. Now if you say boys.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Right, if you say if you say fifty Kim at
Cleveland or a hunt of a buffalo, I'm retired.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'm gonna hit you with a drunk line.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say
you saw the future.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, it's all got to be New Orleans only.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Four years ago. Four years ago. Yeah, four years ago.
They're like, look, we got two million to come to
come to Kansas City, and you knew that what the
future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but
you knew they win the Super they're gonna win the
next you know, high ready Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
What you're doing, I'm staying right here in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Can That's what I like.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
That's a great asswer don't do it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But see you already playing the cold half of it,
because I'm not playing in the cold. I've seen that, bro,
I ain't playing.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You played my first played my first cold game bro
at Year twelve in Cleveland. Negative thirty and negative twenty five.
It was some dumb stuff. It was like it was
like it was like three degrees, but with the windshield
it was like negative twenty something. When I tell you,
it affirmed everything I've ever believed in. I was like, no,
I don't play gold. I played this game. I hated everybody.
I hated myself, like I'm not a good person in
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the cold.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I was like, man, screw you, screw you.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I was like, no better when you're losing in this cold,
no better, boy, man, I was saying the pain. So
so then you talk about the next game, you talk
about the Lions, and you talk about who do they
just play?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Man?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Lions, Niners, And it's like you just see like and
for for them, it was at the it was at
the forty nine ers, right.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
SI, Probably it was. It was in San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It was it was in San Francisco. Yeah, that's what
I'm saying. You know, that's San Francisco, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So North North Bay not really San Francisco, but like
North Bay.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Whatever, it ain't that bad. So but you're talking about
like that turmoil of continuously playing. Like man, I felt
those Lions players like you going there and it's like, man,
you know you work so hard. It's like you come
up dish short. The check ain't even worth it, check
and you can keep my check.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I stopped watching after halftime. I left it like it
was enjoying my pizza. I was like, I was like,
all right, so this game over. I was like playing
with my kids doing some other stuff. No, in fact,
I think yeah. I was back by then, bro, Like
I was like, all right, cool, come back. I look
at look up, it's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and
some ducks on that Niner team. We got some we
got some ducks on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, Man,
I mean, great player, great officer player. But you know,
the forty nine has got some of our guys too,
so I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Scow ducks and look at the last of the pack. Man,
I don't even I don't even I don't even know
how to feel about that. Bro. In fact, beyond the pack,
like I was, I think when I left, like that
was the last year of packed ten.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Think about that. So then it went pack twelve some
I never claimed Colorado or Utah.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I was like, I mean we beat Utah, but you tah,
they did beat that last time.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean calent horrible after I left, so like Cali right,
real bad. And we used to we were scraping. You know,
y'all used to have some We used to have some
battles out out out.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
In the Eugene and Eugene.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman year gets y'all in
Auton back when it was like really rocking.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know.
I know, Colch it's not much, but.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
It's not the same. It's not the same. It's not
the same. I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Throw when I came back. Listen, when I came back,
I got I got ejected from a game.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It's not Yeah, we used to pack seventy thousand.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's like sixty eight thousand out like people.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
On the hills out there, roll you bro, you couldn't
buy them tickets.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Buzz refused to sell them to you. And I think
I see people. I think more people, more people. Like
there's a little there's a little hill right right outside
the stadium. I think more people sit up there on
that hill than.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
In the stadium, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Oh it's bad, Like Cala.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I didn't know that was that many bootleggers.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
And it's crazy with their boot legging.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And that's crazy, like things have changed. But I mean,
you know, Oregon hasn't organ so stayed the same. They
got all that Nike money. It was like Uncle Phil Man,
which leads me to n I L. Though, Like what
what's that even hitting on? Like listen, you you one
of the first to really capture n I L and
make make you know everybody in the world jealous, you
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know what I'm saying, Like you had n I L.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Like what did that even feel?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Knowing like you was.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Like you wasn't phenomenally like the sickest. It was like
the sickest. It was the sickest thing that could have happened,
and sick meaning great just because you know, if you
were equipped with the infrastructure as far as like knowledge
and people around you, I mean, it was dope.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So me. You know, I was able to make money
during the time.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
But you talk about the money they're making now compared
to when I was making money, it's not even close,
not even we've.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next gen,
like that's.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Just you know, it's inflation. It is what it is,
and it's like and that's what I think. Like even
the guys that didn't, you know, in the league that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man, they
had like they had to walk so we could run.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Looking at it and looking at cow guys like yeah, man,
you know, like man, like compared to all the other schools,
I'm not making anything, like hey, I got this deal
and I got like ten grand, ten grand, Hey boy,
you know what I was done with ten a test
spot and kind.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Of come on, come on.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
But see, you know, the real the real problem is
that there's no there's no education infrastructure. So now you're
giving a bunch of a bunch of young guys who.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Don't have any liabilities.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
So if I don't have any liabilities, I don't have
to worry about what I use my assets on as
far as my money, you know, So It's like when
you talk about you're giving guys ten thousand, twenty thousand,
and thirty thousand. I had two cars in college. Why
did I have two cars in college? Because I could?
One was free and I paid for one. Why would
I pay for one when I got one free? But
it's just like having knowledge, having understanding of what's important.
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And it's like, that's what I think is what's missing.
You know that in that whole level or education, you know,
giving guys understanding that, like you just hit for half
a million, you got to pay taxes on that big dog?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Who how to pay taxes on that big dog?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And they we don't get we don't know that, we
don't know. I've never paid tax I've never had a job.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So it's like, you know when you talk about the
it's a it's a blessing, that a curse. And now
we just now that we have all of this, we
got to go. You know, we got to be proactive
about the information.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
No doubt, I would say, how how is that navigating
that space? Do just like does college help out or
is it just like the wild wild West? You got
to figure out so for how to pay tax again?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Finance organ specifically we had they created and this was
a year I left. They created something called Division Street,
which is basically what we just talked about.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's an infrastructure for student athletes.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
To learn about an io, to learn about business and
basically give them resources on you know, the things they need.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Let me manage course exactly. But do your parents give
you a check book? Here's a checkbook? Do all schools
do that? No? Is it something that's regulated by the
n C double A?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Absolutely will it?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Will it be regulated by the nc double A when
they can put taxes on it, they can make the peace. Yeah,
when they can get their tech.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But Nuba, you find a way to get they cut
of course.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
They tried to tell us my first year that, like
any deal, you get registered in this database. And I
raised my hand and I said, so, what's gonna happen
if we don't. The lady said, they're still kind of
figuring out what the repercussions are. I said, so, I'm
not gonna tell you what I'm making. Are you stupid?
I was like, what it makes sense? You want to
tell you how much money I'm bringing in? So you
got come on.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's a reason why you want this list, baby, and
I can't help you. Ain't no way how I don't
know how much I can't.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I don't even know how to read a contract.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And then look and then when you talk about, you know,
the resources, Now, for me, I was the you know,
a high draft pick. So there was already agents, we know,
an agent game. Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm
getting I'm getting knowledge. I'm not going to steer away
these relationships.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna get everything I can.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So when when the time came, I kind of already
had a plan on what I was gonna do. You know,
I was already a big fan of Lebron, big fan
of you know, the movement of n I L. And
when it happened, it was like I was. I was
ready for it. Luckily, the first deal I did was
with Phil Knight, and it was like an n F
T at the time. So it was a space that
he didn't know and I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But we got.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
People exactly, we got people who were uh, he had
people that kind of showed me the way, and that
was kind of that first step.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
And then from there it was just like plug and play.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right when your first in nail deal coming from a
man who mastered the business plan, and what you're gonna
take you you gonna take five hundred grand or have
a sitting down with Jay Z.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I'm gonna sit down with Phil Knight.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting that. I
ain't gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make
something off of.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Man. We love we love that, all right. So what
was that transition, like, like from from college to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Because pre in I L boys got to league and
had to figure out how to have the you know,
the produciary responsibility of the finances to set aside and
figure out your life or you sort of figure out
in college, So that sort.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Of was it was.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It was it, you know, just neither here nor there
for you when you got to league. So did that
make it easier for you the transition or because it's
just like money?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
It was definitely, it was definitely easier.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I say the bad part of the only it wasn't
really bad, But I say the only hard part was
that my taste got really expensive faster than I would
have hoped.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So it wasn't that I was a guy who's you know.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
With you.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Know, so it's not like I'm a goot to go
blow my money, but it's like, yo, I might as
well just eat the highest quality food, at the highest
quality restaurants, at the highest quality you know, Like it's
just you realize, like, man, I can, so why wouldn't I?
You know, And in that part you have to understand
the time management. You know, people don't really realize like, yeah,
you get paid fifty million, forty million, thirty million, but
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you still got thirty years left to live.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So it's like it's easy to go spend one thousand
dollars a day fifteen two hundred, two thousand, one hundred
and ten thousand dollars every two weeks. But then it's like,
you know, that's gonna run out.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens beyond
after I'm playing?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I'm over there.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So that was that was my idea.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's been that's been my whole thing, where it's like,
don't keep all my eggs in one basket, continue to
you know, be open to longevity.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Basically, no, man hey, look look I put it like
this my my rookie year, I probably didn't spend that thing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I paid for my car cash and was like.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
This is my money and I need it now, Like
I don't know how much long I'm gonna play. But
after that, my second year, I was like, oh, I
got to diversify the portfolio. I need I need a
rental property, I need this, I need this, I need this.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
After my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just
want to focus on football.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And then I was like I like somewhere around like
that fifty or six year, I was like, all right,
some moves I've made, Like you know, the first off season,
I go to Vegas and you have a Vegas weekend
the professional way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Like living, living, living or lavishly.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah, I
don't know how many more times I can.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Go to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I'm not doing again. Hey look, I was thinking about
the super Bowl being in Vegas. I'm like, yeah, I
got one day. They getting six hours out of me.
I'm going I'm make sure my mama come with me.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Literally, I be like this.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I'm like I'd be running things off, you know, off
the fam. I'm like, hey, like hey, bro, how much
you make a year and he was like, hey, would
you do this? And he was like, hey, that's crazy.
If I hear like a hype response from him. Yeah,
like I use.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Other people to ground me.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I'm like, I'm like, hey, mom, like, oh yeah, I
was thinking about you know, like my secondar in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I was like, I'm thinking about this Audi R eight.
She's like, I don't even know what. I was like,
Mama's one hundred eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,
bring me back to life. Bring me back to life.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know, like you gotta have some some some sort
of browning situation. Yeah, because you can get into a
locker room and you know, keeping up with the Joneses,
keeping up with the Joneses. When you know your boy
rolled in with the with the whatever that keys by
what big big coming in. You're like, I had the
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same tie for eleven years and every year I'll be like, bro,
like I'm two models behind.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I should I should go ahead? And that at some
point where you're like why, I.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Rolle like what what iPhone do you have? Right now?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I have no clue what iPhone I have?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Fourteen fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so
the fifteen is probably happening.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
But like once you get it, it's just like we
we upgrade because we can. But then it's like, you know,
you get to a point where it's like, man, oh
this is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Until until the phone starts slowing down on me. I'm
used to rocket for my rule is like every two
or three years, so like yeah, two or three yeah,
but I got a crack in it, so like it's
gonna have to.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years ago,
his phone had a crack in and he was taking
it down to the place on the corner getting it
fixed by one.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Of the one of the places for sixty bucks.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Now he just get a whole phone up.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Ain't you done?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Changed up?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Can changed up?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
You?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Boo?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Hey boom, there's some there's some things in life you
don't fight. Come on, I feel like I feel like
that one. Hey, traveling. Traveling is that one thing for me.
Like I may be tight, I mean be a tight wad,
and a lot of places in my life we travel.
I'm here to sleep, the best, eat, the best marshal,
the best commercial I've ever seen was why save during
your travel when you can save on your travel.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I was like, yeah, I would ever want to be
that guy that have to save during the travel.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It was a great commercial. I was a great commercial.
Was there is there any place that you've traveled so
far that.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
You like, dang man, I've done kind of my first year,
I did like a world tour. So I did uh
Dominican Republic first I did, and then I went to
where I go, Jamaica. Then I went to Africa. I
went to South Africa. Then I went to Hawaii, then
I went to Uhos.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I flew into Johannesburg and then like we drove about
five hours to a small country probably only hold like
I think a million people.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
It was called Botswana.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Though, and we drove through they say the caves or
the mountains where the first remains of humans were found,
so literally like civilization. Yeah, the first people walked the earth.
We kind of drove past. So that was pretty dope.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Uh. And then this year I'm going to Spain, going
to trying to put something together.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Nigeria.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I just did my DNA test found out I was Nigerian.
So I'm gonna try to go out there and uh
and go get some knowledge and some you know history Spain. Yes, San,
go to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm going to Barcelona. Then go
down to Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Uh, I'm gonna go to I'm flying to Paris, go
to Barcelona, stay in Paris for a couple of days,
go to Barcelona and then uh. There's another place called
something would end, but it's an island, Mosique Modico.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
There's a few of them. I'm gonna just simply say
add in San.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Sebastian, San Sebastian, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Right there by if you find in the France first right,
it's right there. It's a connection area of France and
Spain on the what the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
My geography is the worst. It's it's Basque country.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
But it's one of the most beautiful spots that I
think I've seen it eight Like think think of a
fire city that meets like beach and whatever it is,
it is beautiful. Seastian, Bill Bao, San Sebastian. You gotta
go to a soccer game.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's this.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, you gotta go check you gotta check it out. Anyways,
it's funny just to hear you talking. Like I've seen
you talk before, you know, pre draft whatever that was
going through. But it's like you talk well beyond your years, bro,
and even this year, it seems like you've become so
sort of like a vocal leader even as a young kid.
Then I say kid, because you know, second year you
got to ten years, you.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Got thirteen two.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hey, bro, that's that sort of happened for me.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bro, Like my second third year of the league, all
the old heads got sort of pushed out, went to
another team, got paid whatever it was. I looked around
and I was like, from a rookie to event, like
was my life? You know what I'm saying, Like, eh
like that. So you know you talk about you just
being like a vocal leader early on this stage? Is it?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
The is it the factors that contribute to that is
like your willingness to be that, to step into it,
because I mean you you still had up until halfway
through the season, you had Little Williams. Yeah, you got
Sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got some old heads.
But it seems like the more you talk, the more
you amped up. Came that spark for your defense.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So you know, I.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Would say, first, you know, when it talks about leadership
is position first based off of quarterback, running back, middle, linebacker, safety,
guys who you know kind of are the focal points
of the defense or of the offense. So that's kind
of the initial leadership role. And then Dexter Lawrence obviously
who's the biggest guy you know in the room, right.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It makes no you know when a guy.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
But then it comes to play right, And I think
that's the big component that you learn once you start
to you get into the league that it's all about
how much you contribute on the field and if you're
able to contribute on the field. So even my first year,
like you know, you want to lead guys, but if
you ain't making plays anybody listening, that's the truth behind it.
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So then once you know, the second year comes and
now it's like, okay, I'm more of an instrument in
the defense. You know, a couple guys leave, a couple
guys get traded, and now it's like there are voids
that have to be filled.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
In a team chemistry standpoint.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
You know, that's when you have to make that decision
where you know are you going to be that guy.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
To step in?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
You know, And it's tough because people think leadership is
something that you can choose. You know, it's not really
something you choose. It's something that your teammates kind of
kind of revere you as you know. So for me,
I would say that it was just learning how to
be a leader. You know, you think you know how
to lead until it's time to lead, right, and you
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think you have everything figured out or you think you
know what you're doing until you get in adverse situations.
So for me man first year, you know, I think
it was just understanding the landscape, understanding where I fit in,
understand it, you know people. And then second year it
was okay, how can I help my teammates be their
best selves?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
So you know, before every game, I'm asking Bobby, you know,
my at the linebacker, I'm like, what do you need
for me.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
For you to play your best? What?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
What parts do you think I can support your vision,
you know, as a leader of the team and be
a support on the.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Same bobbys last night because I've never tried but there yeah, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Exactly that was a good and I never heard. Okay, Okay,
that's a good I like that.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I'm gonna have to take that back to it. Yeah, Oka.
But he's he's definitely a true leader.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And I think you know, when it comes to leadership,
you have to kind of emulate certain people. So I'm
very blessed to have a true leader, natural leader that
I can you know, emulate as far as off the field,
as far as taking care of your body, as far
as watching film and things like that to you know,
continue to be a vessel for other teammates, younger teammates
coming in and things like that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
In fact, man, like I said, I love I love
to see the growth.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm like, I'm looking forward to your your what are you.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Looking forward to it?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And your three?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these sacks.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You know, you know how that you know how that moment,
but you know how that feel to be to be
in the hunt. You know, it's it's it's a great
feeling because it's all is a new challenge. But that's
where I'm at. You know, obviously it's going in my
third year. Third years year for renegotiations. If you're one
of those guys, right if you're one of the ones.
So for me, you know, Michael Strahan said one great
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thing to me. Seriously, he said one great to me.
Think to me when I got in the lead, he said,
you know, it's easy to be one of the eleven
guys on the field, but you want to be the
one out of the eleven.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And that's that that's that difference. So that's kind of
what I'm working on this year.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Shout out Mike, Come on, Mike, Mike, friend that money.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Man, Mike straighthean definitely he's a girl up watching that man.
I was like, I want to be like him.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And then I realized I was like, man, I'm too
eighty five.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
This is even so, this is even surreal because I
was looking at you like that. Now we're sitting here
on the podcast, were sitting here in the league together,
and it's though, for real, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I remember you were talking about it was one.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
It was really you and von Miller are two guys
that I've always looked at, just on a vocal standpoint
of people who you know are going to give their
tips in pass rush. But you talk about you know,
I think you said something where you like if you
do it. If you go fast with bad technique, you're okay.
If you go fast with good technique, you're doing great.
But if you go slow with bad technique, you're.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Gonna be on the bench somewhere.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You said something like that, and that stuck with me
Like that, that stuck with me. That was something that
that I've taken.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And then you know, obviously there are gems that other,
you know, guys like you have been dropping, and it's
just up to the younger guys to keep you know,
using those gems and implement them into your game.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Man, I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Look, I learned I learned that one early earlier, the
young thing, because my rookie year I was out there like,
all right, well I got to play the run. I
gotta have this technique. But if you move slow, even
if it's the right answer.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You're wrong, don't matter, you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
But if you move fast and you'd be like you
it's a b and you missed the wrong one, you
can still be in the right spot.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
And you think about a guy like you think about
a guy like Max Crosby, and you know he's a
guy who right now is the epitome of you just
do it hard, do it fast. Everything's gonna work out.
He has This is no knock to him. He has
one move.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That swipe is the most danger it's move I've ever
seen a human.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Dude, He's got to counterspin too.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
His his swipe is stupid. But understand how many guys
are gonna keep getting got with the swipe. How many
guys are gonna keep getting got with the long arm,
how many guys gonna keep getting got with a swim. Look,
when you perfect your craft, it doesn't matter about them.
I said this early, and often, an office a lineman
is just office a lineman. I'm now rushing against the
quarterback because I needn't know how fast he's releasing the ball,
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because off's a lineman.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Their cattle. There's gonna be strong. There's gonna be strong ones.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
But whatever, I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby
get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I was like,
you know what, I was like something I need to
figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he
just plays hard.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Man. When you play hard and you play every snap, dude,
you reap the benefits of it.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I was hoping you're gonna say, hey, I'm evolving to
a killer run stopper.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
But you know what, I get it.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Look, age, that's the no, no, no, see, don't overlook
the run. That is the difference to me between a
lot of past rushers out there. Uh and let's say
four down football players. I told myself when I came
into Sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm not
the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy,
but I'm going to be trustworthy on first down all
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the way to fourth.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So when you talk about run stopping, you talk about
things like that, like that's you can't even rush the
passer unless you set in edge.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
You got to I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting for
the move on my way. In fact, y'all think I was.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think I was damaged by then the whole high
echo Anloyd goes like, all I could do is stop
the run.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Look.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Look, the cold the coldest thing is when you see
guys like and to me, I I came out of
a system in college where it was like there was
no jumping around blocks to make a play right, And
it's like when you're in the league, though, it's like,
you know, you almost get frustrated a little bit because
it's like, yo, all these guys are making these tackle
for losses and are jumping around blocks and I've a
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gap and here you are, like but and it's like me,
you will, you take it, you make it. And it's
like you start to realize that when you are a
guy who has the instinct and you have the trust
within your coaches, it's like, you gotta go play big
and make big plays. And you know, I always think
of a guy like TJ Watts.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
TJ.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Watch go to the casino one time.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
You go, you TJ Y get twenty sacks and he's
gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna jump them.
He gonna take it, he gonna he gonna play his game.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
And it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He knows his body type and he's like, look, what
I'm not here gonna do is is set the edge
every time against somebody who outweiys me by eighty to
ninety pounds. But what I can do is give you
all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up the field.
Oh and now now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath
and he also has got huge interior d linemen like
across the board.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
But you know, but shoot, I appreciate you, bro. I'm
gonna wrap this up real quick.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Bro. I appreciate you tapping in with with me on
my podcast Off the Edge. Bro.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I see nothing but great things going for you.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So you know, if you had eleven sacks this year,
But I try and tell people, don't worry about the sacks.
Worry about your process, because the sacks.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Are gonna come.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I mean, you already built the process, so just keep
on believing and keep on striving for greatness.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Thank you, Thank you for having us. I appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So there you have it. It's a wrap. I just
want to say a huge thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
To all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. But
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the NFL. Until next time, I'm out.
What's up, people, it's your boy, Cam Jay back with
another episode of Off the Edge with Cam Jordan. Now
as we gear it for another exciting season, I wanted
to reflect on some of the incredible guests I had
the pleasure of sitting down with last season. But hey,
don't worry, though, I got you new episodes coming your
way real soon. Relax, I got you. But in the meantime,
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in between time, let's rewind and play back some of
my favorite interviews from season one. For the grand finale
of our best season one interviews, I got something special
lined up for you, and not just because he's lined
up against opposing quarterbacks. We're spotlighting a young star on
the rise. But don't let his age fool you. This
guy's wise beyond his years. I'm talking about none other
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than Giants defensive end Kavon Thibodeau. So I appreciate you
for tapping in a young bull, young gun, a young
killer off the Edge, Cavon Thibodeaux from from Oregon. You know,
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fifth pick overall and twenty twenty two second year ran boy.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Went for for more than ten sacks, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I just appreciate you tapping in with me. I mean
beyond sacks. You know, you still pushed in another fifty tackles.
You know what to work. We played all this year
and you know you were a menace. You were a
minis on the line and I love them.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I love to see the best of us, the best
of us this time.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Bro, you had a kid named Tommy Cutlet spinning that thing.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah, it's one for the young bulls. You know, he
almost got it done.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
We gotta keep going, absolutely when you have a forty
million dollars quarterback that you hope to you know, be playing. Look,
I've been in that position where I've seen our starter
quarterback go down and the next man up have to
go and.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You could win, you could win some. But so I'm
gonna get away it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Get tough, Yeah, get to deep end.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah, when you go from a Desert Eagle to a
smith and West and you're like, all right, we can
get the job done. So the second year, man, what
changed for you this year? You talk about for the
first year you got actially made. The second year you
turned it up.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Just the comfortability, you know you talk about being second
year in the system, second year, you know, going against
the best guys in the league, or the best guys
in the world, I should say, you just start to
feel more comfortable.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
You get a little more time to rest, you get
more time off.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You know, obviously coming off college, you got the draft
and all that to prepare for, so you never actually
get your body time to rest and time to you know,
focus on football.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
So now I.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Had a full off season last year. I was able
to come in.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
I was able to really focus on the game and
how to get better and what I need to get
better at. And then you know, I was able to
and then playing alongside guys obviously Dexter Lawrence learning how
to rush the passer with you know, other guys Leonard Williams,
he got traded, but you know that was a guy
who kind of helped develop my game.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And then Disse on the.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Other side, and every other man that's kind of stepped
up and been a part of the front. We've just
been you know, they've been a vessel and they've been
there to you know, help me grow and we've learned
how to rush as a unit, and that's kind of
that's was a testament to you know, the players we're
making that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
PC answer, Yeah, yeah, give Flowers to everybody. I can't.
I got to go to big your big grol step.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
You clearly hooped in high school, Big big, big yearl step.
I see what you did there, big lag big Lane.
From the film that I've watched. I mean, you know,
your first year, you show, you show some glimpses. This
year it seemed like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Know how to say that without having to say pause.
You learn how to use your length more like it's
crazy work to help out, you.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Know, but as a deepens of m bro you learn
how to extend your arms out, lockout and as well
as uh, you know, your long arm and power sort
of came into play.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So for me, you know, I used to use long
arm in college.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
But you start to play against guys that aren't you
know that they're not going forward as much as guys were.
You got Trent William, you got you know, Peney Sewel,
you got guys across the league who are you're not
You're not gonna let a guy's two hundred and fifty
five pounds long army, you know. And for me as
a rookie, I you know, you have that kind of
in your head right, It's like you're going to fight
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Mike Tyson. It's like, Okay, I know what this guy has,
so it kind of intimidates you and what you can do.
So me kind of coming into the second year, I
was able to build that confidence in the moves that
I've already had, but you know, able to kind of
believe in them a little more and start to, uh,
you know, put them on display, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Do you have a favorit pass social move now?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean I would say long arm.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
You know that's always when you got when you are
a guy with length, obviously you know you got to
keep guys at a distance because I'm not the strongest guy.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You know, you see a lot of guys kind of
just move guys out the way and dexter Lawrence Lenn
Williams or guys examples, even you are an example of that.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
When you have a little more.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Weight behind you, you can't you know, you can use
your moves, you can throw them around. But me now
being able to use the long arm, keep the link
and work off of it. You know, you start to
see how there's so many moves and it's really just
the angles. Your angles are a lot better off the
long arm rather than like last year I was. There
was a lot of running around the quarterback and it
was like I got pressures and I got you know, hits.
But I had to kind of shorten that angle because
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you know, guys are stepping up quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
They get paid money, they do for a reason.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Look, I like to switch it up into in my mind,
is its three really really two different angles. I think
about the speed angle, which is a vertical attack, and
I think about a power angle, which means I'm gonna
set your ass down, you know, And I say three
at three angles because then like there's sometimes where you
go into.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
A wide nine ish.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
And you you still angle them down. So now instead
of you know, meet no matter what you think, it
would be a speed angle, it's like a combination coming.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
You never yeah, you never realized how much geometry was
in football, right and all the angles?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Ale, Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hit a girl look girlfriend out there like so so
so bring that over here, you know, like, oh you
know how you know how to show in a stell?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Okay, come bringing it over here. Or a wife in
my case because you know I'm married with four kids.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, that's a good life, man, that's a good life.
But now I'm not there. Yeah, but I'm a crossover soon. No, No,
I mean a relative as soon as relative.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
When that mustache and beard drop and connect, think about
when the connect, We'll talk about it.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, don't do that, don't do that. Don't enjoy enjoy,
enjoy you know year two, enjoy your three, four or
five six, Maybe introduce the idea.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Look, I think I got to your I was like
year four before people noticed when when he started talking,
he started whispering, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Because I'm gonna catch flat from wife you regardless, So
you know where exactly do you want to go with it?
But I'm sure you watched the games this weekend, Bro,
what what did you take away from the Conference championship games?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Because basically we all want to be there?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Oh man, obviously, Like dude, just first, I could you know,
I feel like a lot of a lot of people
were rooting for Lamar, and I'll just start off with
the Lamar Patrick Mahone's game.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
A lot of people are rooting for Lamar.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Because of the flat that he gets right, for his
style of play right, And I think us being players
and us knowing how to grind, like for example, you
do a swim move.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Your swim move is better than any swim move I've
ever seen.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
But I could promise that there are coaches or people
that probably told you along your lines that, oh, the
swim move is you know, that's not the move or
you know like that work. You've heard that, and you've
made it one hundred sacks, you know, in counting whatever
to get to that point. But yeah, man, you talk
about a lot of guys seeing a guy like Lamar
Jackson and what he can do and what he brings
to the game, and you know, all the flak that
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he gets and all of the scrutiny that he's under, uh,
even though he is one of the you know, greatest athletic,
you know, one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time
I think as far as athleticism and.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Ability, athleticism crazy.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So you know, I feel like we're all rooted for him,
you know, watching the game. Obviously the Baltimore has a
great defense, but I think, you know, Patrick Mahons, they's
just been there too many times. I hate to say,
you've just been there too many times. You've done it
too many times.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
King of the Hill. You got to prove them. You
got to prove them they wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Because it's yeah, for super bowls now in five or
six years, even without this one, three super bowls in
five or.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Six years, got Chris Jones in the middle, Chris George
car is just living. Shout out to carloftas he's a boy.
You know, we were in the same Dravet class.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
He's right right a minute, a man crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And then the young guys in the back end, you know,
the dvs.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You gotta step up, you gotta make players, you gotta
stop it, and they making plays man. And I would say,
I would say on that, you know, when you just
talk about the game, it's tough when you know you
are fighting.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
That uphill battle, you know, and they fought.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
They obviously fall to the end, but you know it's
it's tough, man, So they're gonna get it, right.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I still I still see them being a good team.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
If you give him back three plays as a Flowers
could have been touched, doown the you know the interception.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
And left I left the house right when he when
he caught it, and he and he did the he
got the flag. I was leaving and I'm like, oh yeah,
they're gonna score and I come back and I realized
the score was the same. I'm like, yo, it was
the touchback rule.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
What do you think about that? That touchback?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
It is what he if you fall? I love it,
That's what I'm saying, Like, that's just desserts. Like, don't
we're not going to reward you for you Like you're
not going to get rewarded for trying to be Superman.
But at the same time, but Flowers as young as
he is bro like especial seasons he had as a rookie,
Like he's gonna continue building on that, like hopefully he
uses that as motivation becomes even like even more of
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a dog, which he already was.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
It happens to the best of us. That's one of
the things that you you wouldn't wish on anybody.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
It's just you know, it happens, man, you know and
all that look on the same team, there was Marcus Williams,
like I believe his his rookie year he had something
similar happened like against you know, New Orleans Saints playing Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
But God, why did you just bring that up exactly?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Because that's like that's like the level that was there,
right so you can be you know, where you could
pivot one of two ways. You can get down to
yourself and not be a better player than you were before,
or you become like Marcus Williams, who you know, ended
up getting a major contract going crazy, had like seven
picks like two years, two seasons ago.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Like this, this is funny.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
It's funny how you say that, because like for me,
that was my last year, like going four and a
half sacks, Like that's obviously not what I wanted to
be or what I wanted to do. But it was
like for me, you know, when you watch the game
and you understand football, it's like a scheme. There's so
much that goes into getting a sack. There's I mean, it's.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You you can win, you can win all your reps
and still not get sacked.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Lets do not get a sack, and that's just that's
the game we play.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
So for me, it was like at the time, it's
like damn man, Like people calling me bus people are like, oh,
this dude is you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
The media and your first sack was off, Like let's
even talk about it. But if your rookie year, your
first sack was off with lamar Jack for the strip
sack fumble really to like.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
See it the way it was game, Yeah, it was
pretty much it.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It was a blessing like you like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So there's there's flashes like as a rookie, you'd be like,
all right, bet, this is what we can build off of.
You can't label you can't label a rookie a bus
like I don't think. I don't think there's there should
be a logility to do so like rooking your one
is foundation year, Now show me something else.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
It's definitely, it's definitely you know, building grounds.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
And I would say it's just tough, you know, when
you're a kid going through like you know, nineteen twenty
twenty or probably nineteen, but twenty twenty one, twenty two,
your kid going through, you know, and you got the
world at your hands basically, and it's like even like
you know, like you said, it's a flower situation, like
this kid is just trying to make as many.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Plays as possible.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
You know, he's never been at a stage bigger than this,
so it's like he has to prove you know, his
legacy in one game.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And it's like stuff just man.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know, sometimes the football guys, you know, sometimes the
game just goes away.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
It goes and no doubt.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Hey, it's crazy you gonna bring up the football guys.
You know, Hey, them old coaches. You should swear, man,
you got to listen to the football guys.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I believe.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I believe, Yeah you can.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I believe in a football outlying source, brother Christian.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They can only be one guy.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not the word we should use it
the football energy.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah there.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
We got to respect the game. You gotta respect the
old coaches. We dropped that joint.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I came home one time, was like, man, the football gods,
and my mom looked at me. I was like, yes, ma'am, yeah,
not of clear, you're right, it ain't that football outliers energy.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I like, I like energy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
I might use that one. But so then you go
to you know, you checked out that game which pat
mahone boys, just it just is what it is. He
catches a lot of hate for his outside circumstances.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
People like people like did you see his dad smoke
a cigar?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Did you see his dad and my dad his wife
being all happy and chipper? Can you like, I'm like, bro,
if people around me are having success. I'm going to
be the most annoying mug out there. I'm like, I'm
Jackson Mahomes. I'm out there on the fifty yard like dancing.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
You can come on, I'm tiktoking, I'm dancing. I'm super
Bowl every year. Come on, bro, listen. I went to
the I went to the I went to the Bills,
the Bills Chiefs game. Right these first, Taylor Swift got
her own thing. It's it's it's uh, you know, it
got the it got the shade on the glass. Right
then the Mahomes families on the other side, as soon
as they open their box, snowballs just come flying in.
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Like the fan the Bills fans are just lynching snowball
and the dad, you know, the dad is right in front,
and it's just so because he's you know, obviously he's
not a part of the Shenanigans, a TikTok and all
the fun.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He's Jason.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Is that the way is that with Jason Kelsey like
jumped on the.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Other side strow Exactly. Yeah, it was definitely a time.
But when you when you're winning, it's nothing people can
do other than look for other reasons to tear you down.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I don't like him because because I'm a winner that
he took over from Alex Smith.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
And thinking about look, I just I just seen a
tweet that's like, yo, Patrick Mahons is going to be
the Michael Jordan of the NFL.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Like, watch how many quarterbacks? How many great quarterbacks don't
have a ring because of Patrick Mahons. And I was like, yo,
that that's true. It's a bunch of Charles Barkley's and
you know all the rest of the guys. I was
out there with Michael Jordan's Yeah, your thirteen without a ring.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I'm like, yo, I got a question for you. So
that was the thing that I saw in the NBA.
(14:06):
I think it was a gil rid Arenas and they
were talking about would you would you rather get, you know,
a fifty million dollar contract and a ring or one
hundred million dollar contract and no ring.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I'd have to answer it. I don't answer your question.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Don't answer it because of what the media is gonna say.
Don't aspen.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh, I've got no fear of media.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Look, I'm only going to ask this, does it matter where?
Because it's gonna matter where for me because there's places
in this world like Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Could not offer me enough money to get there too cold.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like bro, my my only my only prayer before I
got drafted was Lord, don't send me anywhere cold Green Bay.
They could be like, oh, can, We're gonna make you
the highest paid defensive end at thirty five million dollars
a year, and I'd like, politely thank you for your offer.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm gonna take something else. Yeah, okay, I'm not Bro.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I'm never going to play somewhere cold, because after you see,
we're fighting over fifty MILLI dollars one hundred million dollar.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's still more money than I've ever wanted in my life.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I came in this game, I was like, Hey, I
leave with ten million dollars, I'm never gonna have to
work again.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
What I was like, Yo, I was like, I was like,
if I leave with ten I never have to work again, Mom,
never have to work again.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We're good man.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I passed that up like by year four or five,
you know. So Like so if you say fifty million
dollars in one hand, one hundred million dollars the other,
no ring, super Bowl ring. I'm taking a super Bowl ring.
But it's going to depend on the where. Yeah, it's
going to depend on where.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Get that.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
If you say, yo, Kim, you can.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Stay in New Orleans for the fifty or you have
to go to New England for a hundred, I'll be.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Right here in New Orleans jailing.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah. Now if you say boys.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Right, if you say if you say fifty Kim at
Cleveland or a hunt of a buffalo, I'm retired.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'm gonna hit you with a drunk line.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
So look, let's say you saw the future. Let's say
you saw the future.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, it's all got to be New Orleans only.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Four years ago. Four years ago. Yeah, four years ago.
They're like, look, we got two million to come to
come to Kansas City, and you knew that what the
future is gonna be. I'm talking about today nothing, but
you knew they win the Super they're gonna win the
next you know, high ready Super Bowls?
Speaker 2 (16:16):
What you're doing, I'm staying right here in New Orleans.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Can That's what I like.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
That's a great asswer don't do it.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
But see you already playing the cold half of it,
because I'm not playing in the cold. I've seen that, bro,
I ain't playing.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You played my first played my first cold game bro
at Year twelve in Cleveland. Negative thirty and negative twenty five.
It was some dumb stuff. It was like it was
like it was like three degrees, but with the windshield
it was like negative twenty something. When I tell you,
it affirmed everything I've ever believed in. I was like, no,
I don't play gold. I played this game. I hated everybody.
I hated myself, like I'm not a good person in
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the cold.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I was like, man, screw you, screw you.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
I was like, no better when you're losing in this cold,
no better, boy, man, I was saying the pain. So
so then you talk about the next game, you talk
about the Lions, and you talk about who do they
just play?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Man?
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Lions, Niners, And it's like you just see like and
for for them, it was at the it was at
the forty nine ers, right.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
SI, Probably it was. It was in San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It was it was in San Francisco. Yeah, that's what
I'm saying. You know, that's San Francisco, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
So North North Bay not really San Francisco, but like
North Bay.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Whatever, it ain't that bad. So but you're talking about
like that turmoil of continuously playing. Like man, I felt
those Lions players like you going there and it's like, man,
you know you work so hard. It's like you come
up dish short. The check ain't even worth it, check
and you can keep my check.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I stopped watching after halftime. I left it like it
was enjoying my pizza. I was like, I was like,
all right, so this game over. I was like playing
with my kids doing some other stuff. No, in fact,
I think yeah. I was back by then, bro, Like
I was like, all right, cool, come back. I look
at look up, it's the fourth quarter and it's tied up.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I said, what yeah, it's some ducks on that and
some ducks on that Niner team. We got some we
got some ducks on the you know, shout out to Pinasu, Man,
I mean, great player, great officer player. But you know,
the forty nine has got some of our guys too,
so I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Scow ducks and look at the last of the pack. Man,
I don't even I don't even I don't even know
how to feel about that. Bro. In fact, beyond the pack,
like I was, I think when I left, like that
was the last year of packed ten.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Think about that. So then it went pack twelve some
I never claimed Colorado or Utah.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I was like, I mean we beat Utah, but you tah,
they did beat that last time.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean calent horrible after I left, so like Cali right,
real bad. And we used to we were scraping. You know,
y'all used to have some We used to have some
battles out out out.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
In the Eugene and Eugene.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, man, we used to have some battles.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Deshaun Jackson going crazy my freshman year gets y'all in
Auton back when it was like really rocking.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I mean it was right, it's still rocking, you know.
I know, Colch it's not much, but.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
It's not the same. It's not the same. It's not
the same. I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Throw when I came back. Listen, when I came back,
I got I got ejected from a game.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
I'm not talking about for y'all. I'm talking for cal.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
It's not Yeah, we used to pack seventy thousand.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It's like sixty eight thousand out like people.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
On the hills out there, roll you bro, you couldn't
buy them tickets.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Buzz refused to sell them to you. And I think
I see people. I think more people, more people. Like
there's a little there's a little hill right right outside
the stadium. I think more people sit up there on
that hill than.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
In the stadium, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Oh it's bad, Like Cala.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I didn't know that was that many bootleggers.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
And it's crazy with their boot legging.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And that's crazy, like things have changed. But I mean,
you know, Oregon hasn't organ so stayed the same. They
got all that Nike money. It was like Uncle Phil Man,
which leads me to n I L. Though, Like what
what's that even hitting on? Like listen, you you one
of the first to really capture n I L and
make make you know everybody in the world jealous, you
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know what I'm saying, Like you had n I L.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Like what did that even feel?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Knowing like you was.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Like you wasn't phenomenally like the sickest. It was like
the sickest. It was the sickest thing that could have happened,
and sick meaning great just because you know, if you
were equipped with the infrastructure as far as like knowledge
and people around you, I mean, it was dope.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So me. You know, I was able to make money
during the time.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
But you talk about the money they're making now compared
to when I was making money, it's not even close,
not even we've.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Been saying, but you're always gonna say about the next gen,
like that's.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Just you know, it's inflation. It is what it is,
and it's like and that's what I think. Like even
the guys that didn't, you know, in the league that.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Didn't, it's like, yeah, I'm sorry for them, man, they
had like they had to walk so we could run.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Looking at it and looking at cow guys like yeah, man,
you know, like man, like compared to all the other schools,
I'm not making anything, like hey, I got this deal
and I got like ten grand, ten grand, Hey boy,
you know what I was done with ten a test
spot and kind.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Of come on, come on.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
But see, you know, the real the real problem is
that there's no there's no education infrastructure. So now you're
giving a bunch of a bunch of young guys who.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Don't have any liabilities.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
So if I don't have any liabilities, I don't have
to worry about what I use my assets on as
far as my money, you know, So It's like when
you talk about you're giving guys ten thousand, twenty thousand,
and thirty thousand. I had two cars in college. Why
did I have two cars in college? Because I could?
One was free and I paid for one. Why would
I pay for one when I got one free? But
it's just like having knowledge, having understanding of what's important.
(21:35):
And it's like, that's what I think is what's missing.
You know that in that whole level or education, you know,
giving guys understanding that, like you just hit for half
a million, you got to pay taxes on that big dog?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Who how to pay taxes on that big dog?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And they we don't get we don't know that, we
don't know. I've never paid tax I've never had a job.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So it's like, you know when you talk about the
it's a it's a blessing, that a curse. And now
we just now that we have all of this, we
got to go. You know, we got to be proactive
about the information.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
No doubt, I would say, how how is that navigating
that space? Do just like does college help out or
is it just like the wild wild West? You got
to figure out so for how to pay tax again?
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Finance organ specifically we had they created and this was
a year I left. They created something called Division Street,
which is basically what we just talked about.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's an infrastructure for student athletes.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
To learn about an io, to learn about business and
basically give them resources on you know, the things they need.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Let me manage course exactly. But do your parents give
you a check book? Here's a checkbook? Do all schools
do that? No? Is it something that's regulated by the
n C double A?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
No?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Absolutely will it?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Will it be regulated by the nc double A when
they can put taxes on it, they can make the peace. Yeah,
when they can get their tech.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But Nuba, you find a way to get they cut
of course.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Man.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
They tried to tell us my first year that, like
any deal, you get registered in this database. And I
raised my hand and I said, so, what's gonna happen
if we don't. The lady said, they're still kind of
figuring out what the repercussions are. I said, so, I'm
not gonna tell you what I'm making. Are you stupid?
I was like, what it makes sense? You want to
tell you how much money I'm bringing in? So you
got come on.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's a reason why you want this list, baby, and
I can't help you. Ain't no way how I don't
know how much I can't.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I don't even know how to read a contract.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
And then look and then when you talk about, you know,
the resources, Now, for me, I was the you know,
a high draft pick. So there was already agents, we know,
an agent game. Everybody's reaching out and for me, I'm
getting I'm getting knowledge. I'm not going to steer away
these relationships.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
I'm gonna learn. I'm gonna get everything I can.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
So when when the time came, I kind of already
had a plan on what I was gonna do. You know,
I was already a big fan of Lebron, big fan
of you know, the movement of n I L. And
when it happened, it was like I was. I was
ready for it. Luckily, the first deal I did was
with Phil Knight, and it was like an n F
T at the time. So it was a space that
he didn't know and I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But we got.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
People exactly, we got people who were uh, he had
people that kind of showed me the way, and that
was kind of that first step.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
And then from there it was just like plug and play.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Right when your first in nail deal coming from a
man who mastered the business plan, and what you're gonna
take you you gonna take five hundred grand or have
a sitting down with Jay Z.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I'm gonna sit down with Phil Knight.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah, I'm gonna sit down. I'm still getting that. I
ain't gonna get five hundred but I'm gonna still make
something off of.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Man. We love we love that, all right. So what
was that transition, like, like from from college to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Because pre in I L boys got to league and
had to figure out how to have the you know,
the produciary responsibility of the finances to set aside and
figure out your life or you sort of figure out
in college, So that sort.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Of was it was.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It was it, you know, just neither here nor there
for you when you got to league. So did that
make it easier for you the transition or because it's
just like money?
Speaker 3 (24:57):
It was definitely, it was definitely easier.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I say the bad part of the only it wasn't
really bad, But I say the only hard part was
that my taste got really expensive faster than I would
have hoped.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
So it wasn't that I was a guy who's you know.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
With you.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Know, so it's not like I'm a goot to go
blow my money, but it's like, yo, I might as
well just eat the highest quality food, at the highest
quality restaurants, at the highest quality you know, Like it's
just you realize, like, man, I can, so why wouldn't I?
You know, And in that part you have to understand
the time management. You know, people don't really realize like, yeah,
you get paid fifty million, forty million, thirty million, but
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you still got thirty years left to live.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So it's like it's easy to go spend one thousand
dollars a day fifteen two hundred, two thousand, one hundred
and ten thousand dollars every two weeks. But then it's like,
you know, that's gonna run out.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Or it's good while I'm playing, but what happens beyond
after I'm playing?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I'm over there.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
So that was that was my idea.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
That's been that's been my whole thing, where it's like,
don't keep all my eggs in one basket, continue to
you know, be open to longevity.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Basically, no, man hey, look look I put it like
this my my rookie year, I probably didn't spend that thing.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I paid for my car cash and was like.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
This is my money and I need it now, Like
I don't know how much long I'm gonna play. But
after that, my second year, I was like, oh, I
got to diversify the portfolio. I need I need a
rental property, I need this, I need this, I need this.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
After my fifty year, I was like, bro, I just
want to focus on football.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And then I was like I like somewhere around like
that fifty or six year, I was like, all right,
some moves I've made, Like you know, the first off season,
I go to Vegas and you have a Vegas weekend
the professional way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Like living, living, living or lavishly.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
After your first one, you start thinking like, yeah, I
don't know how many more times I can.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Go to Vegas.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I'm not doing again. Hey look, I was thinking about
the super Bowl being in Vegas. I'm like, yeah, I
got one day. They getting six hours out of me.
I'm going I'm make sure my mama come with me.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Literally, I be like this.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I'm like I'd be running things off, you know, off
the fam. I'm like, hey, like hey, bro, how much
you make a year and he was like, hey, would
you do this? And he was like, hey, that's crazy.
If I hear like a hype response from him. Yeah,
like I use.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Other people to ground me.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I'm like, I'm like, hey, mom, like, oh yeah, I
was thinking about you know, like my secondar in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I was like, I'm thinking about this Audi R eight.
She's like, I don't even know what. I was like,
Mama's one hundred eighty one hundred. I said, cool, okay,
bring me back to life. Bring me back to life.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know, like you gotta have some some some sort
of browning situation. Yeah, because you can get into a
locker room and you know, keeping up with the Joneses,
keeping up with the Joneses. When you know your boy
rolled in with the with the whatever that keys by
what big big coming in. You're like, I had the
(27:40):
same tie for eleven years and every year I'll be like, bro,
like I'm two models behind.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I should I should go ahead? And that at some
point where you're like why, I.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Rolle like what what iPhone do you have? Right now?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I have no clue what iPhone I have?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Fourteen fourteen, but it's got a crack in it, so
the fifteen is probably happening.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
But like once you get it, it's just like we
we upgrade because we can. But then it's like, you know,
you get to a point where it's like, man, oh
this is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Until until the phone starts slowing down on me. I'm
used to rocket for my rule is like every two
or three years, so like yeah, two or three yeah,
but I got a crack in it, so like it's
gonna have to.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
It's sad because look, if you ask Cam ten years ago,
his phone had a crack in and he was taking
it down to the place on the corner getting it
fixed by one.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Of the one of the places for sixty bucks.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Now he just get a whole phone up.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Ain't you done?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Changed up?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Can changed up?
Speaker 4 (28:34):
You?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Boo?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Hey boom, there's some there's some things in life you
don't fight. Come on, I feel like I feel like
that one. Hey, traveling. Traveling is that one thing for me.
Like I may be tight, I mean be a tight wad,
and a lot of places in my life we travel.
I'm here to sleep, the best, eat, the best marshal,
the best commercial I've ever seen was why save during
your travel when you can save on your travel.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I was like, yeah, I would ever want to be
that guy that have to save during the travel.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
It was a great commercial. I was a great commercial.
Was there is there any place that you've traveled so
far that.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
You like, dang man, I've done kind of my first year,
I did like a world tour. So I did uh
Dominican Republic first I did, and then I went to
where I go, Jamaica. Then I went to Africa. I
went to South Africa. Then I went to Hawaii, then
I went to Uhos.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I went to Botswana. It's the city I went to.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
I flew into Johannesburg and then like we drove about
five hours to a small country probably only hold like
I think a million people.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
It was called Botswana.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Though, and we drove through they say the caves or
the mountains where the first remains of humans were found,
so literally like civilization. Yeah, the first people walked the earth.
We kind of drove past. So that was pretty dope.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Uh. And then this year I'm going to Spain, going
to trying to put something together.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Nigeria.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I just did my DNA test found out I was Nigerian.
So I'm gonna try to go out there and uh
and go get some knowledge and some you know history Spain. Yes, San,
go to Barcelona. Yeah, I'm going to Barcelona. Then go
down to Uh.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Uh, I'm gonna go to I'm flying to Paris, go
to Barcelona, stay in Paris for a couple of days,
go to Barcelona and then uh. There's another place called
something would end, but it's an island, Mosique Modico.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
There's a few of them. I'm gonna just simply say
add in San.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Sebastian, San Sebastian, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Right there by if you find in the France first right,
it's right there. It's a connection area of France and
Spain on the what the Poconos, Poconese whatever mountains.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
My geography is the worst. It's it's Basque country.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
But it's one of the most beautiful spots that I
think I've seen it eight Like think think of a
fire city that meets like beach and whatever it is,
it is beautiful. Seastian, Bill Bao, San Sebastian. You gotta
go to a soccer game.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's this.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, you gotta go check you gotta check it out. Anyways,
it's funny just to hear you talking. Like I've seen
you talk before, you know, pre draft whatever that was
going through. But it's like you talk well beyond your years, bro,
and even this year, it seems like you've become so
sort of like a vocal leader even as a young kid.
Then I say kid, because you know, second year you
got to ten years, you.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Got thirteen two.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Hey, bro, that's that sort of happened for me.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Bro, Like my second third year of the league, all
the old heads got sort of pushed out, went to
another team, got paid whatever it was. I looked around
and I was like, from a rookie to event, like
was my life? You know what I'm saying, Like, eh
like that. So you know you talk about you just
being like a vocal leader early on this stage? Is it?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
You know?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
The is it the factors that contribute to that is
like your willingness to be that, to step into it,
because I mean you you still had up until halfway
through the season, you had Little Williams. Yeah, you got
Sexy Dexi over there. You know, you got some old heads.
But it seems like the more you talk, the more
you amped up. Came that spark for your defense.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So you know, I.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Would say, first, you know, when it talks about leadership
is position first based off of quarterback, running back, middle, linebacker, safety,
guys who you know kind of are the focal points
of the defense or of the offense. So that's kind
of the initial leadership role. And then Dexter Lawrence obviously
who's the biggest guy you know in the room, right.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
It makes no you know when a guy.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
But then it comes to play right, And I think
that's the big component that you learn once you start
to you get into the league that it's all about
how much you contribute on the field and if you're
able to contribute on the field. So even my first year,
like you know, you want to lead guys, but if
you ain't making plays anybody listening, that's the truth behind it.
(32:54):
So then once you know, the second year comes and
now it's like, okay, I'm more of an instrument in
the defense. You know, a couple guys leave, a couple
guys get traded, and now it's like there are voids
that have to be filled.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
In a team chemistry standpoint.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
You know, that's when you have to make that decision
where you know are you going to be that guy.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
To step in?
Speaker 4 (33:12):
You know, And it's tough because people think leadership is
something that you can choose. You know, it's not really
something you choose. It's something that your teammates kind of
kind of revere you as you know. So for me,
I would say that it was just learning how to
be a leader. You know, you think you know how
to lead until it's time to lead, right, and you
(33:33):
think you have everything figured out or you think you
know what you're doing until you get in adverse situations.
So for me man first year, you know, I think
it was just understanding the landscape, understanding where I fit in,
understand it, you know people. And then second year it
was okay, how can I help my teammates be their
best selves?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Right?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
So you know, before every game, I'm asking Bobby, you know,
my at the linebacker, I'm like, what do you need
for me.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
For you to play your best? What?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
What parts do you think I can support your vision,
you know, as a leader of the team and be
a support on the.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Same bobbys last night because I've never tried but there yeah, okay, okay, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Exactly that was a good and I never heard. Okay, Okay,
that's a good I like that.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I'm gonna have to take that back to it. Yeah, Oka.
But he's he's definitely a true leader.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
And I think you know, when it comes to leadership,
you have to kind of emulate certain people. So I'm
very blessed to have a true leader, natural leader that
I can you know, emulate as far as off the field,
as far as taking care of your body, as far
as watching film and things like that to you know,
continue to be a vessel for other teammates, younger teammates
coming in and things like that.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
In fact, man, like I said, I love I love
to see the growth.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm like, I'm looking forward to your your what are you.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Looking forward to it?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
And your three?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Man? Honestly, I'm just I'm chasing these sacks.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
You know, you know how that you know how that moment,
but you know how that feel to be to be
in the hunt. You know, it's it's it's a great
feeling because it's all is a new challenge. But that's
where I'm at. You know, obviously it's going in my
third year. Third years year for renegotiations. If you're one
of those guys, right if you're one of the ones.
So for me, you know, Michael Strahan said one great
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thing to me. Seriously, he said one great to me.
Think to me when I got in the lead, he said,
you know, it's easy to be one of the eleven
guys on the field, but you want to be the
one out of the eleven.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And that's that that's that difference. So that's kind of
what I'm working on this year.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Shout out Mike, Come on, Mike, Mike, friend that money.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Man, Mike straighthean definitely he's a girl up watching that man.
I was like, I want to be like him.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And then I realized I was like, man, I'm too
eighty five.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
This is even so, this is even surreal because I
was looking at you like that. Now we're sitting here
on the podcast, were sitting here in the league together,
and it's though, for real, it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I remember you were talking about it was one.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
It was really you and von Miller are two guys
that I've always looked at, just on a vocal standpoint
of people who you know are going to give their
tips in pass rush. But you talk about you know,
I think you said something where you like if you
do it. If you go fast with bad technique, you're okay.
If you go fast with good technique, you're doing great.
But if you go slow with bad technique, you're.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Gonna be on the bench somewhere.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
You said something like that, and that stuck with me
Like that, that stuck with me. That was something that
that I've taken.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And then you know, obviously there are gems that other,
you know, guys like you have been dropping, and it's
just up to the younger guys to keep you know,
using those gems and implement them into your game.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Man, I'm trying to tell you.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Look, I learned I learned that one early earlier, the
young thing, because my rookie year I was out there like,
all right, well I got to play the run. I
gotta have this technique. But if you move slow, even
if it's the right answer.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
You're wrong, don't matter, you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
But if you move fast and you'd be like you
it's a b and you missed the wrong one, you
can still be in the right spot.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
And you think about a guy like you think about
a guy like Max Crosby, and you know he's a
guy who right now is the epitome of you just
do it hard, do it fast. Everything's gonna work out.
He has This is no knock to him. He has
one move.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That swipe is the most danger it's move I've ever
seen a human.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Dude, He's got to counterspin too.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
His his swipe is stupid. But understand how many guys
are gonna keep getting got with the swipe. How many
guys are gonna keep getting got with the long arm,
how many guys gonna keep getting got with a swim. Look,
when you perfect your craft, it doesn't matter about them.
I said this early, and often, an office a lineman
is just office a lineman. I'm now rushing against the
quarterback because I needn't know how fast he's releasing the ball,
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because off's a lineman.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Their cattle. There's gonna be strong. There's gonna be strong ones.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
But whatever, I never swiped till I saw Max Crosby
get like thirteen sacks off all swipes. Then I was like,
you know what, I was like something I need to
figure out. I gotta figure it out. And then he
just plays hard.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Man. When you play hard and you play every snap, dude,
you reap the benefits of it.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I was hoping you're gonna say, hey, I'm evolving to
a killer run stopper.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
But you know what, I get it.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Look, age, that's the no, no, no, see, don't overlook
the run. That is the difference to me between a
lot of past rushers out there. Uh and let's say
four down football players. I told myself when I came
into Sleep, I'm be a four down guy. I'm not
the biggest guy, not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy,
but I'm going to be trustworthy on first down all
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the way to fourth.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So when you talk about run stopping, you talk about
things like that, like that's you can't even rush the
passer unless you set in edge.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
You got to I'm like, hey, I'll be waiting for
the move on my way. In fact, y'all think I was.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I think I was damaged by then the whole high
echo Anloyd goes like, all I could do is stop
the run.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Look.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Look, the cold the coldest thing is when you see
guys like and to me, I I came out of
a system in college where it was like there was
no jumping around blocks to make a play right, And
it's like when you're in the league, though, it's like,
you know, you almost get frustrated a little bit because
it's like, yo, all these guys are making these tackle
for losses and are jumping around blocks and I've a
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gap and here you are, like but and it's like me,
you will, you take it, you make it. And it's
like you start to realize that when you are a
guy who has the instinct and you have the trust
within your coaches, it's like, you gotta go play big
and make big plays. And you know, I always think
of a guy like TJ Watts.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
TJ.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Watch go to the casino one time.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
You go, you TJ Y get twenty sacks and he's
gonna get ten tackles for losses because he gonna jump them.
He gonna take it, he gonna he gonna play his game.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
And it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
He knows his body type and he's like, look, what
I'm not here gonna do is is set the edge
every time against somebody who outweiys me by eighty to
ninety pounds. But what I can do is give you
all this movement. Oh, I can shoot up the field.
Oh and now now you're nervous, and now I'm underneath
and he also has got huge interior d linemen like
across the board.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
But you know, but shoot, I appreciate you, bro. I'm
gonna wrap this up real quick.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Bro. I appreciate you tapping in with with me on
my podcast Off the Edge. Bro.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
I see nothing but great things going for you.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
So you know, if you had eleven sacks this year,
But I try and tell people, don't worry about the sacks.
Worry about your process, because the sacks.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Are gonna come.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
I mean, you already built the process, so just keep
on believing and keep on striving for greatness.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Thank you, Thank you for having us. I appreciate you, bro.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
So there you have it. It's a wrap. I just
want to say a huge thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
To all my awesome listeners for rocking with me. But
before I go, you know the drill come on now.
Make sure to drop us a five star rating or
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the NFL. Until next time, I'm out.
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