On the latest Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast, Cam is joined by Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent. Cam doesn’t hold back with his thoughts on the recent rule change to ban the hip-drop tackle, as Troy provides the details on what led to the decision. Troy then shares why he told the 2024 Draft class that being picked is just the start of their NFL journey. Cam and Troy deep dive on the topic of NIL and its impact on the current NFL player. Troy later expounds on the NFL’s venture into flag football, and how it’s helping grow the game. And Troy shares how the potential for death keeps him up at night.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Well, come on in to off the edge with Cam Jordan,
I have the privilege to sit with. I'm learning the
hierarchy of things, right. There's always levels to life with
the executive vice president of Football Operations at the NFL.
But I've known him as Troy mister senior, Troy Vincent,
a man who's played in the league for fifteen years.
(00:25):
I know him from the Philadelphia time, been with a
few different teams. A man who's been an All Pro
man who's been a pro bowler, man who has you know,
his accolades speak for himself. And on the opposite side,
which now he's the enemy of where he started because
he started off an NFLPA and then not an enemy.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
For me, it was always a partnership. It was always
a partnership and just making sure that we kept the
game on the table. Treat the players right. You can
make money, but you got to do right by the players.
That was always my position as an elected official. You're
familiar with that. So my thirteen of my fifteen years
I served as an elected officer. Yeah, to serve the
(01:05):
player in the locker room, making sure the players understood
his rights, his hours, wages, working conditions, and then you know,
I had the opportunity also to I think I did
four CBA extensions. But anytime, we're going to have some
things that we disagree on. But the one thing we
can't disagree on it's the game and the players. Right,
best coaches in the world, best players in the world.
(01:27):
We can make money, but you got to do right
by the people.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I see you left the refs out, But okay, I
appreciate that. We're not going to talk about it because well,
you know, like they affect you know, while you're in it.
They affect the game, and sometimes what you'd say, non
non bias ways seemingly non biased ways.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't think they're intentionally doing that to affect the game.
I think now with technology now, with the expansion of
a few rules, I think some of those things that
worry people, I think we can fix some of those things.
We still want the game to be played on the
field and officiated on the field, and then tweaking a
(02:09):
few things that technology allows us to lean into. But
I don't think any player I know I wouldn't. I
don't want another eye in the sky determining a play
inside of my stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I was like let's eyes, so we can actually play
the correct, correct, right correct, and then you have a
you have a good old zebra striper. Just throw one
of those flags. If we play corner the way you
played back in the day couldn't be played now.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I get asked that question often, Absolutely not as the answer,
I would have had to adjust. And I just think
you all today. I just love watching you all play. Yeah,
your phenomenal athletes. The adjustments that we I'm gonna say,
we we ask the players to make and watch them
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make it. Is it extraordinary. I do believe there's some
play type that occurred years ago that some of those
players probably couldn't adjust. But the vast majority, the few tweaks,
but they gave me. They always gave me warnings. Hey,
hey twenty you know twenty three, get your hands off, Hey,
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ease Up's so you had that progression, but even yeah,
just think about that, just as a dB, you're back pedaling.
You got to come off of a cover two with
the run coming into the outside, and next thing you know,
you got to face the office of lineman. Used to
be able to chop them. That's gone now and now.
So it was interesting. I was in a competition committee meeting.
(03:44):
I have to full transparency here. I've been in one
of those when that discussion came up about removing the
cutting in space and the dB or the offensive lineman
because they would cut two out in space. I just remember, man,
I learned how to really hurt somebody. Yeah, you know,
(04:08):
I was taught how to go getting and make sure
that he didn't get up. But that's what I was taught.
And now and now then I when I see it,
I know better. And I was that was celebrated on
Mondays and Tuesdays. All right, you know he gonna pull
you know he's gonna do this brown baby. Yes, and
(04:30):
you get that. You get you get that inside need
the right way with the inside part of your helmet.
You're gonna tear everything up.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
YEA. Fear me, that's the part of but that's part
of the defense.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Though I understand imposing your will fear me to intentionally,
but to intentionally harm. He wants the same thing you want.
I want to take home that paragraph five just like
you do. You're gonna have to earn a difference, I know,
but I just think the unnecessary risk that's associated with it.
It was the part.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
That that's that's what the game I grew up to love. Though,
when you saw most what when you when you saw
somebody come down like Ray Ray what Ray Lewis bit
when he was first in the lead coming down smacking people.
Dante Hitner. When I first got to lead, I said, Oh,
they're different, Dante Whitner, He's Hittner.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So here we go. So what did you think about
the hip drop?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm glad you brought it up because I was gonna
let you live the hip drop if it happens once
a game, right, I'm not understanding the effects of the game.
Now do I get it from from a fans view
of Oh, it's a it's what you said, a malicious
intent tackle, is it? No, it's a smaller person normally
trying to tackle.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
A bigger It's not in the research shows that, the
video shows it's not a smaller person on the big
it's actually a bigger person on a smaller person. I'm
happy you referenced those guys, Dante Whitner. Yeah, play with
Dante Navar Boweman. So I'm just gonna start with the
defenders because I had to. I was just sharing this
conversation with Takio Spikes. Yeah, and him and London Fletcher
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were two of my teammates, but were just like you, man,
what are you? What are you thinking about? TA like
you done lost your mind? This help us? Then I
started thinking about I said, in Miami played with Brian Cox,
Lewis Oliver, in Philly, Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Bobby Taylor,
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Hugh Douglas, some great tacklers. I go to Buffalo to
Keyo Spikes, London Fletcher, Lawyer Molloy, Nate Clemens, I forget
Fletch started over it, go to Washington, Sean Taylor and others.
I've never seen any of those great tacklers tackle someone
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this way, the unwaiting of their body on the back
of the leg trapping.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So I had to put it in context. Tea. I've
seen you made a thousand tackles in the season. I've
never seen you in London ever tackle anybody this way.
And once I said that, you go, you go. DK.
I've never seen you tackling. I've seen you do some
crazy things, crazy things, but I've never seen you do that.
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But the A twenty to twenty five X injury rate,
I just think as a gatekeeper of the game, I
can't walk out of any room and go, wait a minute,
we're not going to do nothing about this is a
twenty to twenty five x injury rate on that tackle. Yeah,
come on, coaches. So I don't know if the officials
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then tent was not to throw more flags, but today
I didn't have anything to even address it. And we've
been watching it for three years, literally studying it, watching
it showing up at the college level now, the high
school level now, and it's when the player is down,
he down for weeks, if not the entire seaton. So
that was that was the entire season.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But I mean, that's that's sort of you know again,
that's just a different era of football. Grow up. You know,
girl watching in the eighties. So you know, Pops played
in the eighties, early nineties. I was born what you
got out of college.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
In eighty ninety two.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I was born in eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm not I'm not. I watched Hip Hops, no doubt.
I didn't play with him. I watched it. So, I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Know what you got into the league ninety right, Pops
are still in there.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There was there was a there was a year or
two in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, he got out ninety four. Think about like, I
just think about that different era of football, speaking up
with watching the John Randles, the Chris Domans. Anyways, getting
off getting off something, it's fine, but the progression of
the game, you know where we've gone to. Now we
are the you know, we've always in my mind, we've
always been in the premiere sport, but we're the most
watched sport if you just look at our ratings whatever
(08:46):
that is.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Heara domestically.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, absolutely, we're not going to bring international into it
because then we got work there. We we're breaking in
and later about this. I've got I've got ideas.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
See, that's what I need is your ideas.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, I mean that's just in my mind. There could
be like an American got talent meets NFL clearly for overseas.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I like that. I'm just saying, so, when you're sitting
on something like that, why would you wait? Why wouldn't
you just pop me, pop me a text or an
email to say I.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Don't know how to I don't know, I don't know
how to email like an adult, and I don't need anybody,
but you can text. Absolutely, absolutely I'm gonna get on
that the fact, because it just sort of popped up
last week. I was like, why don't. I went to
Liberia with the Alva Kamara, a great teammates, and I always
told him if he ever went back to the Motherland,
I'm going too. So I got a double dip. I
had Ghana with the NFL commercial and then I hit
(09:39):
Liberria with with my dog ak And I said, this
is untapped because these mugs look NFL rad is.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Because of that experience and because of the exposure. If
you don't come back and share.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
How would you know?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
How would I know?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Speaking of exposure, a lot of these kids walking into
the walk to you know, to the Draft hotel, I
saw a couple kids that I've heard about. The kids,
they're they're men, I guess, and especially with the COVID years,
some of these kids is like twenty five men as
A's wild. But you know walked in, you know, saw
(10:14):
you what I think is a potential number one overall
pick saw probably in my mind four or five, you know,
saw a defensive end Latu. I'm never going to say
that last name out of UCLA. And I was just like,
I was just thinking knowing the career that you had
on the field and off the field, what would be
the advice that you would give them after they get drafted.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So I started this conversation with those that will be
virtual that the destination is not being drafted. Absolutely, the
destination is making a roster and sustaining yourself because there's
a there's a mindset today as I arrived, but I
(10:54):
got here, I made it, and there's a loss of
the fight. There's a loss of the hungeredness that that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I feel like and takes a part of that too,
no question.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But that is that's our new lands that's the new landscape,
and I and I share with them. You will literally
you're starting over, and your ability to retain information, your
your ability to show up every single day, and you
will be measured every single day. And because of the
(11:26):
Rookie Wade scale, we didn't have a Rookie way scale
when we came in. Who didn't you didn't. I didn't
have a rookie waist, You didn't have a rookie wag.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Was the first year after that was so the first
hated on the I.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Was giving you more. I was giving you a few
more that I don't want it. No, but the rookie
Wade scale. They'll move on you now because you're not
They're not paying you a ton of money, so they'll
move on you don't.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We just saw what happened in Chicago, which was crazy
with the top three overall.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Pick I am.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I do have Conner too, which is even crazy. The
league is not afraid to get what they want.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Know they will move on you quickly. It's a business.
We saw it with San Francisco with the Trey Lance
and if things aren't working out, they'll move on. You
could be the first, second third pick. I do have challenges,
not challenge, but concerns because today's current athlete, everything is
so transactional. It's not a pureness of a relationship. Where
(12:24):
do you find the loyalty exactly?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But that's always been the case from the team side
as well.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But I do believe in the past Cam, I think
there was a way to evaluate that Cam love the game.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Absolutely. You know there's a it was it was dry,
it was cut and dry.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, does he love the game?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Before social media you can read out does he love
the game or does he love the lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But now at this point it's so blended. If you're
not a part of the game, how can you be
part of lifestyle? And if you're not a part of
the lifestyle, you can still be a part of the game.
And that's the intersectionality of it all. You can blend
both of those so quick you I'm not sure if
he's working out because he wants to, because he keeps
posting it and I love that he's on the grind,
but also is he just doing it for the likes
(13:07):
or is he doing it for himself? There's twenty times
I was like, bro, I was like, I had to
kill a workout where somebody would have captured this crazy
shit that I just did. Also, I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Need the people in my business like that, but I
do have concerns. It is a different era of what
makes him tick. Yeah, and now this is happening when
you're fourteen fifteen and with your parents. No question, sit
down with your parents. If I'm not talking about signing bonus,
(13:38):
they're not having a conversation with me. I'm gonna repeat
that at fourteen and fifteen to walk into our household.
If I don't say, we can frame up to signing
bonus later missus Jordan and mister Jordan. We can talk
about some other things. We will get to the signing bonus,
because if I don't reference that, they're gonna ask already
(13:59):
out to help.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
They already turned that off. You're not talking about that money.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So think about the love that you got to have
to compete here, as you well know, week in and
week out a loss, how you're going to show back up,
get yourself together, pick up the pieces, go evaluate the tape,
stay off social media because someone's disliking you or they
got thumbs down. And where does all of this go?
(14:23):
I go to the Pro Bowl. I see the young men,
which I completely appreciate. They're showing up with the trucks
and cars of production crews, like getting out the car.
So those are like the different where before you show
up you put some work in. Now they're not showing
up without their team capturing content. Is this about the
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game or is this about you? And where do we all? So?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'm gonna say it wasn't about the game until the
Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl is the very much time to
be yourself and be able.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm just saying, but think about it with your first
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh I was there first Pro Bowl Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But you can't coming with you didn't have no cars.
It was you.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
It was a big fan. Everybody invited. First Pro Bow,
everybody come in.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I'm saying, but you didn't have a whole production crew
behind you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We didn't have we didn't have filters like we had
filters now, Like Snapchat was really was really hinge at
the time, and you know, like Instagram was the new Facebook, Twitter,
Twitter was something that you got on, but it wasn't
like that. And now before you go you used to
go to like Yahoo for your information for your finance,
or Gmail, you know, Google or whatever it is. Now
you're going straight to Twitter. In the morning, you're like,
all right, what's trending, what's what's what's the what's the
(15:34):
hot icon? Like I'm good morning America. The TV show
used to be like, all right, my mom watches that,
so we're gonna catch some information. You know, Grandpa always
got the news on. Now everything's made ready available.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The resiliency, the grit, I feel like that part right has.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I wouldn't say diminished, just cover differently.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's cam cover different I came in the era with
three of days every day in facts today, you can't
have two padded practices in a row.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I appreciate that. For longevity speak purposes, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And honestly, let's just be real, Okay, So is that
the reason why you have poor tackling on game day?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I don't know, but I just feel like in terms
of in terms of in terms of star players, they
were never seeing three days anyways. And you could say
they did.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's not Cam. I'm not sure that I know for
sure Caam and Philly Washington. I would just say we
did not win the big one.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, I don't know if Chris Carter ever saw three
day and I didn't play with Chris.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
No, I'm saying when I was going, okay, I'm just
but there was some two A days there, right, definitely
two A days on a very light prep. Eleven padded
practices in a single season.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I appreciate that this last, like this last like with
seven or eight years, that that was part of that.
I said, look at this, it's like look at us.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I appreciate them absolute, but there's some unintended consequences that
come with it, for sure. So people say, hey, some sloppiness. Yeah,
it takes a little bit of time week four, week
five for people to hit their rhythm. People are good
tacklers because they tackle all the time. So people are
good catchers because, as you know, because they catch all
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the time. Now it's just I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Good catchers because they're protected over the middle at every chance.
Now they're seen as defensives receivers at every time they
touch the ball. But that's my gripes.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm like, I can't wait to come work work with me.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I just became an NFL p rep, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So it's awesome this last year or so.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And uh, it's very interesting, interesting in general just to
see hierarchies and or positionings of what I see now,
Like you know, without rendering anybody ineffective, I see both
sides like things clear, clear up.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yes, it's about the game.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's all I wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So you don't like the body weight the body weight.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Foul, Come on, I don't like half the fouls out
on a quarterback. But we've already been moving on. But
you know, like there's hey, that that's you know, I
get it. Protect your franchise, make it, make make the
make the picture perfect kid Still be picture perfect just
because he took a slow read and let his receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
If you don't have a quarterback, this season is done.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Sir Covid took out two quarterbacks and we had to
play with with a rookie quarterback against one Miami.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And every player though, week in and week out, if
you have a chance to win or not based off
of who's under the center, absolutely you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Can still win. In spite of the Raiders did it
this year. Next question, what's the one thing about the
(19:06):
game that still gives you joy? Beyond you, of course
being in this position looking at it. How do the
fans enjoy it? What do you still enjoy about the game.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I enjoy watching just a beauty and the athleticism, because
sometimes I still have a I have a hard time
remembering that I used to do that like fifteen years baby.
When I watch what you all do, I'm amazed. I'm
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looking at Coach Fuel who I work with, and Coach Still,
I was like, did you see that catch or did
you see that past Russia? Whoa that part? There's an
excitement that I see that I just enjoy and I'm
constantly reminded of just how special you guys are, but
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I can't picture myself unless I see a video or
somebody you know, showed me something. I just some of
those things. I'm just like, man, I used to do that,
but I don't remember that part. But when I watch
you all, it's just a thing of beauty. That's the
part that I enjoy the most, the intensity level, some
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of the rivalries. But then watching y'all do some special stuff.
I can look at the coach and go, WHOA did
you see that run that back? Put that in way
to play? You know.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So on the opposite spectrum, what sort of like wakes
you up in the middle of the night, Like, you know,
I didn't see my pops who've only played thirteen years
compared to your fifteen or my hopefully head end of
the year fourteen knock on withoo there, you know, wake
up and it looks like he's catching a ball in
the middle of the night, you know, like he'll be
sleep and hands come out. I'm like, bro, it's not
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your heyday anymore. Befe, Like what keeps you over the night?
It could be good or bad. It was like, just
what is there specific play? Like you know, my mine's
going to be forever haunted that a referee didn't get
the right call when when we played the Rams in
the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And you know what I think about, Well, there will
will a death occur, and how would we actually respond
to that as a people?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And hopefully that never happens.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But we're in a we're in a sport that has
some of those levels of contact we can use the
term violence. How would we actually respond if that occurred.
The closest we had was a Tomorrow hamblin. Yeah, absolutely,
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and you see how we responded, some of us. Some
people were paralyzed, some people, So it was that is
what that is? What is just like, Lord, what do
we do? And are we actually truly prepared to have
those discussions? You know, you can put some some things
and plans in place, but what if this occurs? And
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then I also think about not just real time, but
you know what if there's a tragedy that happens in
a team, right is is wiped out? You know, what
are the what are those calls? So those are the
kind of things not to be But.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, you an adult, I'm like a kid. I've never
thought about.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
They can happen. I mean, think about you know, we
we're on planes and stuff every day we see stuff happening.
What if something happens to a club. I know we
have some policies and place too, like.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Real life, like you're saying, like a martial situation, no
question back in the day, Well.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
How are you going to how are we having that truth?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The conversation is real with the with the family, So
you know, how do we respond to that publicly?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Is there an answer for that? You got that? You
got that if you started formulating an answer for that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I don't have an answer because there's you've got process.
But but I have to think about it absolutely because
there's a human element that we saw that played itself
out two years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It was over, but like we can't play with one
of the brotherhood goes down for real, for real, Like again,
there's injuries that happen, and honestly, defensive side off the side.
You know, going into a game, you say a quick prayer, Lord,
protect both sides of the field. Don't let anybody get
injured for real real.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So but those things, when I say, because everything else,
I feel confident. Yeah, good about we got good practices redunding,
We got good policies, you got best practices across across
the organization. But then the thing that happened that there's
no one's expecting to happen, and now you have to
have a real it's a it's a true conversation, right,
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and it's not in the manual. It's not something that
you studied. You know, how do we handle how do
we handle those things?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
So, I mean, you know, as trong as the NFL is,
I'm sure there's there's a certain sort of guidelines to
get back because I mean, at one point.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm not saying we don't get back, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But I mean to be able to overcome. I mean,
we've we faced COVID where guys were you know, we
at one point we flew in two guys the night
before the game just to just to catch it. We
played Denver with the with the kid against a kid
who's playing quarterback who's bagging groceries two weeks before, you know,
like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But machine, no, no, but listen, Cam, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Right, we forgo the human element aspect that person is
still alive, correct, So you can bring it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm talking about can't come back, can't come back.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So those are the kind of things I know. People like,
why why would it be think? Because those are things
I think about. Right, we're traveling all over the world,
you know, there's a lot that can happen. Germany game, Now,
what what can happen? What what happens if this happens?
The what ifs?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, so what if this New Orleans Saints win the
Super Bowl? And Super Bowl fifty nine and New Orleans?
That's all I'm dreaming about these.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
But it happened. We saw Tampa do it right? Could
New Orleans? Could New Orleans make that happen right?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I'm looking forward to that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Fifty nine in New Orleans. Are we getting excited about
it just yet? Like? When when do you get excited
about it? I got excited about it knowing it was
coming because it got pushed off for like two years
in our way, three years, New Stadius popped up, we
kept get we got we got rolled back, and then it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
So I started thinking about it the night that Kansas
City closed out fifty eight because immediately go to next cycle,
next cycle, literally you literally go all right, we're out
of Vegas. Here's where we are next year, and then
you just begin, you know, thinking about what are we
going to do differently? I'm thinking operations, officiating, What are
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we going to do differently from that stadium to now
going down to New Orleans?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Right, well, I'll be there, you know what I'm saying.
I hope so hey, I'm gonna be there. Yeah, I'm
always I'm always there every Super Bowl week, you know,
and I would love to be on the field and playing.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That could be well, that'll be three actually home teams
in the last five.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Years in the Super Bowl in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Could that? Would that be? Right?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Tampa? I don't know, Lil Wayne's a green Bay charge
of green Bay fan. But that's fine. We'll get We'll
get robbed for nine division our division right now before
the draft. Absolutely after the draft, most likely.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Like Tampa owns that division for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We I mean, we had the same record, and the
previous years that they won, they won by you know,
they had a one game split on us own that
division or like barely coming out of there. You're right,
but you can't until you knock the fact off.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
They either want it or you don't know facts.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You only good is you only good is the last game.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I didn't think that was coming.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
From your last conference winch.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean, you're right, Tom bowls doing something down there,
but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
They made it work with Baker Mayfield and then extended them,
so you know they got something going on that I
thought they might do something with Devin White. Devin White
comes back, I said, okay, it's not that, not that
they were going to go in the billion owed.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Fan of Cam I am a fan of and I
am a fan of coach Allen.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I love my guy DAA good people, great people. Good
you know, I've got nothing but the highest respect for
especially dealing with we had to deal with as first.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Head coach to coming up. Yeah, good people that.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
If that don't show your hard, I don't know what
does people. So just you know, I know we've talked
different Pro Bowls and over the years, like I've got
four kids, You've got you beat me out. You got five?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Right? I have five children and nine grands I just
had my ninth grand grandson, my ninth grandchild, my fourth
grand boy.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
See, I got young kids. What does it feel like
watching your kids play like? You know, because I'm watching
my man's play t ball like please don't love it.
He's like.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I watched with a different eye because my wife's sitting
next to me and she's really all into it. I'm
looking at did he take care of the responsibility. I'm
just looking at it from a different game. But then
I have to be careful about what I say to
him afterwards because my wife is listening. But it's fun.
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At the same time, I think about what I would
have done differently or differently, like done differently, and I'm
not trying to be him, but I had because I
had the opportunity to watch our oldest boy, true Troy
Junior play at n C State and then tront at
Ohio State, and then but watching the game, like I'm
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watching warm up, I'm like, he don't he got he
don't have to write intensity level to day, you know,
like you can't just turn it on, you know, Like
I'm looking at he's slipping, like he got to put
his foot in the ground, put his show over his toe,
Like do you.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ever want to come off the stage, off the stands
and like go really talk.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I want to go really talk to him. And then
you know, my wife is looking at me like, no,
we be a parent today. Let him be, Let let
him be. So that part has been fun. And now
he's with the UFL team with Wade Phillips down with
the United Stamps, no brompt the Bromos, Bramos down to
San Antonio and.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Once they merged. Now now I've got to re learn
the team names I had him down.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So that part has been fun and I'm really looking
forward to I'm hoping. I'm pushing my daughter to get
her girls playing. Now that flag done, jumped off.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Flag, that's what the NFL is turned into.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But no, can you brought it up.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I had my daughter played flag and she was like,
she went back to soccer, and I understood it. My
oldest son plays play flag. That man asked me.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
If I'm not a navocate for the game of football,
I love it, So why would you allow your daughter
to go play another to go play soccer? Because I
believe it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I believe it freedom of choice, you know, like, at
this point, tell me what you love, but you have
to try something now.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So you're one of those men that don't want women
to have good opportunities to play the sport, the great
sport of football.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Are you trying?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Are you on record? Saying that you're I'm here.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm here to support and whatever that they want to do.
And my baby girl played played a full season and
I didn't see the passion that I wanted to see.
And I said, hey, do you want to play another
She said, no, Dad, I want to play soccer. And
we took out to soccer. She scored three goals. She said,
this is what I meant to do and I said, yes, ma'am, I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Looking forward to it. I'm just it's something that during
the pandemic, she missed one. See, that's why she needs
to just play. How does she miss the goal?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
The big old goal at five five years old was
really muddlehudleball.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Like she's going to return back to football. She's only five, man,
I tried, you're excited about I'm excited about that opportunity
to watch potentially my kids or my brand kids hit
the Olympics. I'm really really excited about that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Last question I have for you now that we've talked
about flag is how how is it knowing that you
can catch scholarships from flag football from But that's the
seven on seven like direct relation. Never put pads onto But.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's the beauty. That's the beauty of the sport.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So so when you think about football, the sport of football,
and this is when you put it in context, we
were probably one of the only sports that didn't have
other other ways of with basketball, you got five on five,
you got three on three. You know, you can go
on your driveway. When the pandemic hit, we were forced
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to study who's playing and why they're playing, and there
was sports that grew inside the pandemic that time period
when the world was on lockdown, and it was like,
we need to expand what we do, we need to
welcome other forms of the game of football. Flag was
one why not why not young eighties? Why should we
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not support young ladies like us playing seven on seven,
playing varsity football at the varsity level, earning a scholarship,
somebody paying for their education and they get a chance
to play ball and just watching it explode, cam Man,
it's competitive, absolutely, watching these young ladies get out. I
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saw we was at the annual meeting and Steve Young
came back and talked about him coaching his daughters, d
Hot talking about seeing how his Flag leads have exploded
and brought the community together. Hey, LA twenty eight flag
football in the Olympics, laxt year in Paris, the World
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Games like this we're going on here. In a few weeks,
we'll have our twelfth state sanctioned girl's varsity flag really
with Washington. I mean that's a that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Love that for my kids. I've got three girls.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, think about it. That's awesome. Colorado went this week,
Washington in the coming weeks give us twelve states and
it just keeps rolling. This August, n C two A
will be applying for flag football being an emerging sport
at the n C two.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
A level, I mean, why not? Why not in college?
You know, Cal has a great field hockey program, But
I'd rather watch flag football. I'd rather watch rugby. But
I'm also.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
What do sound like Hardy Nickerson my mentor.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Cobts Hardy Nixon Junr. Was in the lead for a
little wile.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You know, I learned the Rogues. Yeah, as a PA
rep and as a player, Hardy Nickerson and Reggie White.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Okay, great, okay, greatness personified. I appreciate you tapping in anyways,
Big Doug. If anything, just major blessings for everything that
you've been over the years to the game, and you've
always been open with me. So I've got nothing but
appreciation for you, Cam.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you for what you do. You're an inspiration to
many of the young men, and as a veteran of legend,
I love to see young men take advantage of the
resources You've been intentional about life after the game, of
developing those skills, the right relationships. I just think you're
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a real model that guys in any locker room could see.
Because it will end, and it's typically going to end
on somebody else's terms, but your intentionality.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
It all, it all has to come to an end.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But you've been you've been a just a star man,
a rock star of both high performance and then the
things that you're doing off the field with you and
the wife and the kids.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Oh yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Appreciate it, true inspiration.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Thank you. You don't want to have been married for
thirty thirty years. I saw the wedding anniversary said thirty.
I'm gonna have to ask for seekers off the field,
but til then, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Thank you, sir.
Well, come on in to off the edge with Cam Jordan,
I have the privilege to sit with. I'm learning the
hierarchy of things, right. There's always levels to life with
the executive vice president of Football Operations at the NFL.
But I've known him as Troy mister senior, Troy Vincent,
a man who's played in the league for fifteen years.
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I know him from the Philadelphia time, been with a
few different teams. A man who's been an All Pro
man who's been a pro bowler, man who has you know,
his accolades speak for himself. And on the opposite side,
which now he's the enemy of where he started because
he started off an NFLPA and then not an enemy.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
For me, it was always a partnership. It was always
a partnership and just making sure that we kept the
game on the table. Treat the players right. You can
make money, but you got to do right by the players.
That was always my position as an elected official. You're
familiar with that. So my thirteen of my fifteen years
I served as an elected officer. Yeah, to serve the
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player in the locker room, making sure the players understood
his rights, his hours, wages, working conditions, and then you know,
I had the opportunity also to I think I did
four CBA extensions. But anytime, we're going to have some
things that we disagree on. But the one thing we
can't disagree on it's the game and the players. Right,
best coaches in the world, best players in the world.
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We can make money, but you got to do right
by the people.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I see you left the refs out, But okay, I
appreciate that. We're not going to talk about it because well,
you know, like they affect you know, while you're in it.
They affect the game, and sometimes what you'd say, non
non bias ways seemingly non biased ways.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't think they're intentionally doing that to affect the game.
I think now with technology now, with the expansion of
a few rules, I think some of those things that
worry people, I think we can fix some of those things.
We still want the game to be played on the
field and officiated on the field, and then tweaking a
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few things that technology allows us to lean into. But
I don't think any player I know I wouldn't. I
don't want another eye in the sky determining a play
inside of my stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I was like let's eyes, so we can actually play
the correct, correct, right correct, and then you have a
you have a good old zebra striper. Just throw one
of those flags. If we play corner the way you
played back in the day couldn't be played now.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I get asked that question often, Absolutely not as the answer,
I would have had to adjust. And I just think
you all today. I just love watching you all play. Yeah,
your phenomenal athletes. The adjustments that we I'm gonna say,
we we ask the players to make and watch them
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make it. Is it extraordinary. I do believe there's some
play type that occurred years ago that some of those
players probably couldn't adjust. But the vast majority, the few tweaks,
but they gave me. They always gave me warnings. Hey,
hey twenty you know twenty three, get your hands off, Hey,
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ease Up's so you had that progression, but even yeah,
just think about that, just as a dB, you're back pedaling.
You got to come off of a cover two with
the run coming into the outside, and next thing you know,
you got to face the office of lineman. Used to
be able to chop them. That's gone now and now.
So it was interesting. I was in a competition committee meeting.
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I have to full transparency here. I've been in one
of those when that discussion came up about removing the
cutting in space and the dB or the offensive lineman
because they would cut two out in space. I just remember, man,
I learned how to really hurt somebody. Yeah, you know,
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I was taught how to go getting and make sure
that he didn't get up. But that's what I was taught.
And now and now then I when I see it,
I know better. And I was that was celebrated on
Mondays and Tuesdays. All right, you know he gonna pull
you know he's gonna do this brown baby. Yes, and
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you get that. You get you get that inside need
the right way with the inside part of your helmet.
You're gonna tear everything up.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
YEA. Fear me, that's the part of but that's part
of the defense.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Though I understand imposing your will fear me to intentionally,
but to intentionally harm. He wants the same thing you want.
I want to take home that paragraph five just like
you do. You're gonna have to earn a difference, I know,
but I just think the unnecessary risk that's associated with it.
It was the part.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
That that's that's what the game I grew up to love. Though,
when you saw most what when you when you saw
somebody come down like Ray Ray what Ray Lewis bit
when he was first in the lead coming down smacking people.
Dante Hitner. When I first got to lead, I said, Oh,
they're different, Dante Whitner, He's Hittner.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So here we go. So what did you think about
the hip drop?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I'm glad you brought it up because I was gonna
let you live the hip drop if it happens once
a game, right, I'm not understanding the effects of the game.
Now do I get it from from a fans view
of Oh, it's a it's what you said, a malicious
intent tackle, is it? No, it's a smaller person normally
trying to tackle.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
A bigger It's not in the research shows that, the
video shows it's not a smaller person on the big
it's actually a bigger person on a smaller person. I'm
happy you referenced those guys, Dante Whitner. Yeah, play with
Dante Navar Boweman. So I'm just gonna start with the
defenders because I had to. I was just sharing this
conversation with Takio Spikes. Yeah, and him and London Fletcher
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were two of my teammates, but were just like you, man,
what are you? What are you thinking about? TA like
you done lost your mind? This help us? Then I
started thinking about I said, in Miami played with Brian Cox,
Lewis Oliver, in Philly, Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Bobby Taylor,
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Hugh Douglas, some great tacklers. I go to Buffalo to
Keyo Spikes, London Fletcher, Lawyer Molloy, Nate Clemens, I forget
Fletch started over it, go to Washington, Sean Taylor and others.
I've never seen any of those great tacklers tackle someone
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this way, the unwaiting of their body on the back
of the leg trapping.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So I had to put it in context. Tea. I've
seen you made a thousand tackles in the season. I've
never seen you in London ever tackle anybody this way.
And once I said that, you go, you go. DK.
I've never seen you tackling. I've seen you do some
crazy things, crazy things, but I've never seen you do that.
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But the A twenty to twenty five X injury rate,
I just think as a gatekeeper of the game, I
can't walk out of any room and go, wait a minute,
we're not going to do nothing about this is a
twenty to twenty five x injury rate on that tackle. Yeah,
come on, coaches. So I don't know if the officials
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then tent was not to throw more flags, but today
I didn't have anything to even address it. And we've
been watching it for three years, literally studying it, watching
it showing up at the college level now, the high
school level now, and it's when the player is down,
he down for weeks, if not the entire seaton. So
that was that was the entire season.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
But I mean, that's that's sort of you know again,
that's just a different era of football. Grow up. You know,
girl watching in the eighties. So you know, Pops played
in the eighties, early nineties. I was born what you
got out of college.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
In eighty ninety two.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I was born in eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm not I'm not. I watched Hip Hops, no doubt.
I didn't play with him. I watched it. So, I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Know what you got into the league ninety right, Pops
are still in there.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
There was there was a there was a year or
two in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, he got out ninety four. Think about like, I
just think about that different era of football, speaking up
with watching the John Randles, the Chris Domans. Anyways, getting
off getting off something, it's fine, but the progression of
the game, you know where we've gone to. Now we
are the you know, we've always in my mind, we've
always been in the premiere sport, but we're the most
watched sport if you just look at our ratings whatever
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that is.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Heara domestically.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, absolutely, we're not going to bring international into it
because then we got work there. We we're breaking in
and later about this. I've got I've got ideas.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
See, that's what I need is your ideas.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah, I mean that's just in my mind. There could
be like an American got talent meets NFL clearly for overseas.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I like that. I'm just saying, so, when you're sitting
on something like that, why would you wait? Why wouldn't
you just pop me, pop me a text or an
email to say I.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Don't know how to I don't know, I don't know
how to email like an adult, and I don't need anybody,
but you can text. Absolutely, absolutely I'm gonna get on
that the fact, because it just sort of popped up
last week. I was like, why don't. I went to
Liberia with the Alva Kamara, a great teammates, and I always
told him if he ever went back to the Motherland,
I'm going too. So I got a double dip. I
had Ghana with the NFL commercial and then I hit
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Liberria with with my dog ak And I said, this
is untapped because these mugs look NFL rad is.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Because of that experience and because of the exposure. If
you don't come back and share.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
How would you know?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
How would I know?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Speaking of exposure, a lot of these kids walking into
the walk to you know, to the Draft hotel, I
saw a couple kids that I've heard about. The kids,
they're they're men, I guess, and especially with the COVID years,
some of these kids is like twenty five men as
A's wild. But you know walked in, you know, saw
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you what I think is a potential number one overall
pick saw probably in my mind four or five, you know,
saw a defensive end Latu. I'm never going to say
that last name out of UCLA. And I was just like,
I was just thinking knowing the career that you had
on the field and off the field, what would be
the advice that you would give them after they get drafted.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
So I started this conversation with those that will be
virtual that the destination is not being drafted. Absolutely, the
destination is making a roster and sustaining yourself because there's
a there's a mindset today as I arrived, but I
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got here, I made it, and there's a loss of
the fight. There's a loss of the hungeredness that that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I feel like and takes a part of that too,
no question.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But that is that's our new lands that's the new landscape,
and I and I share with them. You will literally
you're starting over, and your ability to retain information, your
your ability to show up every single day, and you
will be measured every single day. And because of the
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Rookie Wade scale, we didn't have a Rookie way scale
when we came in. Who didn't you didn't. I didn't
have a rookie waist, You didn't have a rookie wag.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Was the first year after that was so the first
hated on the I.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Was giving you more. I was giving you a few
more that I don't want it. No, but the rookie
Wade scale. They'll move on you now because you're not
They're not paying you a ton of money, so they'll
move on you don't.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
We just saw what happened in Chicago, which was crazy
with the top three overall.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Pick I am.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I do have Conner too, which is even crazy. The
league is not afraid to get what they want.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Know they will move on you quickly. It's a business.
We saw it with San Francisco with the Trey Lance
and if things aren't working out, they'll move on. You
could be the first, second third pick. I do have challenges,
not challenge, but concerns because today's current athlete, everything is
so transactional. It's not a pureness of a relationship. Where
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do you find the loyalty exactly?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But that's always been the case from the team side
as well.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But I do believe in the past Cam, I think
there was a way to evaluate that Cam love the game.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Absolutely. You know there's a it was it was dry,
it was cut and dry.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, does he love the game?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Before social media you can read out does he love
the game or does he love the lifestyle?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But now at this point it's so blended. If you're
not a part of the game, how can you be
part of lifestyle? And if you're not a part of
the lifestyle, you can still be a part of the game.
And that's the intersectionality of it all. You can blend
both of those so quick you I'm not sure if
he's working out because he wants to, because he keeps
posting it and I love that he's on the grind,
but also is he just doing it for the likes
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or is he doing it for himself? There's twenty times
I was like, bro, I was like, I had to
kill a workout where somebody would have captured this crazy
shit that I just did. Also, I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Need the people in my business like that, but I
do have concerns. It is a different era of what
makes him tick. Yeah, and now this is happening when
you're fourteen fifteen and with your parents. No question, sit
down with your parents. If I'm not talking about signing bonus,
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they're not having a conversation with me. I'm gonna repeat
that at fourteen and fifteen to walk into our household.
If I don't say, we can frame up to signing
bonus later missus Jordan and mister Jordan. We can talk
about some other things. We will get to the signing bonus,
because if I don't reference that, they're gonna ask already
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out to help.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
They already turned that off. You're not talking about that money.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So think about the love that you got to have
to compete here, as you well know, week in and
week out a loss, how you're going to show back up,
get yourself together, pick up the pieces, go evaluate the tape,
stay off social media because someone's disliking you or they
got thumbs down. And where does all of this go?
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I go to the Pro Bowl. I see the young men,
which I completely appreciate. They're showing up with the trucks
and cars of production crews, like getting out the car.
So those are like the different where before you show
up you put some work in. Now they're not showing
up without their team capturing content. Is this about the
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game or is this about you? And where do we all? So?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I'm gonna say it wasn't about the game until the
Pro Bowl. Pro Bowl is the very much time to
be yourself and be able.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I'm just saying, but think about it with your first
Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh I was there first Pro Bowl Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
But you can't coming with you didn't have no cars.
It was you.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
It was a big fan. Everybody invited. First Pro Bow,
everybody come in.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I'm saying, but you didn't have a whole production crew
behind you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We didn't have we didn't have filters like we had
filters now, Like Snapchat was really was really hinge at
the time, and you know, like Instagram was the new Facebook, Twitter,
Twitter was something that you got on, but it wasn't
like that. And now before you go you used to
go to like Yahoo for your information for your finance,
or Gmail, you know, Google or whatever it is. Now
you're going straight to Twitter. In the morning, you're like,
all right, what's trending, what's what's what's the what's the
(15:34):
hot icon? Like I'm good morning America. The TV show
used to be like, all right, my mom watches that,
so we're gonna catch some information. You know, Grandpa always
got the news on. Now everything's made ready available.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The resiliency, the grit, I feel like that part right has.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I wouldn't say diminished, just cover differently.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It's cam cover different I came in the era with
three of days every day in facts today, you can't
have two padded practices in a row.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I appreciate that. For longevity speak purposes, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
And honestly, let's just be real, Okay, So is that
the reason why you have poor tackling on game day?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I don't know, but I just feel like in terms
of in terms of in terms of star players, they
were never seeing three days anyways. And you could say
they did.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's not Cam. I'm not sure that I know for
sure Caam and Philly Washington. I would just say we
did not win the big one.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, I don't know if Chris Carter ever saw three
day and I didn't play with Chris.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
No, I'm saying when I was going, okay, I'm just
but there was some two A days there, right, definitely
two A days on a very light prep. Eleven padded
practices in a single season.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I appreciate that this last, like this last like with
seven or eight years, that that was part of that.
I said, look at this, it's like look at us.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I appreciate them absolute, but there's some unintended consequences that
come with it, for sure. So people say, hey, some sloppiness. Yeah,
it takes a little bit of time week four, week
five for people to hit their rhythm. People are good
tacklers because they tackle all the time. So people are
good catchers because, as you know, because they catch all
(17:12):
the time. Now it's just I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Good catchers because they're protected over the middle at every chance.
Now they're seen as defensives receivers at every time they
touch the ball. But that's my gripes.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I'm like, I can't wait to come work work with me.
I can't.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I just became an NFL p rep, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So it's awesome this last year or so.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
And uh, it's very interesting, interesting in general just to
see hierarchies and or positionings of what I see now,
Like you know, without rendering anybody ineffective, I see both
sides like things clear, clear up.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yes, it's about the game.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That's all I wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So you don't like the body weight the body weight.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Foul, Come on, I don't like half the fouls out
on a quarterback. But we've already been moving on. But
you know, like there's hey, that that's you know, I
get it. Protect your franchise, make it, make make the
make the picture perfect kid Still be picture perfect just
because he took a slow read and let his receiver.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
If you don't have a quarterback, this season is done.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Sir Covid took out two quarterbacks and we had to
play with with a rookie quarterback against one Miami.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
And every player though, week in and week out, if
you have a chance to win or not based off
of who's under the center, absolutely you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Can still win. In spite of the Raiders did it
this year. Next question, what's the one thing about the
(19:06):
game that still gives you joy? Beyond you, of course
being in this position looking at it. How do the
fans enjoy it? What do you still enjoy about the game.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I enjoy watching just a beauty and the athleticism, because
sometimes I still have a I have a hard time
remembering that I used to do that like fifteen years baby.
When I watch what you all do, I'm amazed. I'm
(19:36):
looking at Coach Fuel who I work with, and Coach Still,
I was like, did you see that catch or did
you see that past Russia? Whoa that part? There's an
excitement that I see that I just enjoy and I'm
constantly reminded of just how special you guys are, but
(19:56):
I can't picture myself unless I see a video or
somebody you know, showed me something. I just some of
those things. I'm just like, man, I used to do that,
but I don't remember that part. But when I watch
you all, it's just a thing of beauty. That's the
part that I enjoy the most, the intensity level, some
(20:20):
of the rivalries. But then watching y'all do some special stuff.
I can look at the coach and go, WHOA did
you see that run that back? Put that in way
to play? You know.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
So on the opposite spectrum, what sort of like wakes
you up in the middle of the night, Like, you know,
I didn't see my pops who've only played thirteen years
compared to your fifteen or my hopefully head end of
the year fourteen knock on withoo there, you know, wake
up and it looks like he's catching a ball in
the middle of the night, you know, like he'll be
sleep and hands come out. I'm like, bro, it's not
(20:52):
your heyday anymore. Befe, Like what keeps you over the night?
It could be good or bad. It was like, just
what is there specific play? Like you know, my mine's
going to be forever haunted that a referee didn't get
the right call when when we played the Rams in
the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
And you know what I think about, Well, there will
will a death occur, and how would we actually respond
to that as a people?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And hopefully that never happens.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
But we're in a we're in a sport that has
some of those levels of contact we can use the
term violence. How would we actually respond if that occurred.
The closest we had was a Tomorrow hamblin. Yeah, absolutely,
(21:45):
and you see how we responded, some of us. Some
people were paralyzed, some people, So it was that is
what that is? What is just like, Lord, what do
we do? And are we actually truly prepared to have
those discussions? You know, you can put some some things
and plans in place, but what if this occurs? And
(22:06):
then I also think about not just real time, but
you know what if there's a tragedy that happens in
a team, right is is wiped out? You know, what
are the what are those calls? So those are the
kind of things not to be But.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, you an adult, I'm like a kid. I've never
thought about.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
They can happen. I mean, think about you know, we
we're on planes and stuff every day we see stuff happening.
What if something happens to a club. I know we
have some policies and place too, like.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Real life, like you're saying, like a martial situation, no
question back in the day, Well.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
How are you going to how are we having that truth?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Now?
Speaker 2 (22:46):
The conversation is real with the with the family, So
you know, how do we respond to that publicly?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Is there an answer for that? You got that? You
got that if you started formulating an answer for that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I don't have an answer because there's you've got process.
But but I have to think about it absolutely because
there's a human element that we saw that played itself
out two years ago.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It was over, but like we can't play with one
of the brotherhood goes down for real, for real, Like again,
there's injuries that happen, and honestly, defensive side off the side.
You know, going into a game, you say a quick prayer, Lord,
protect both sides of the field. Don't let anybody get
injured for real real.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So but those things, when I say, because everything else,
I feel confident. Yeah, good about we got good practices redunding,
We got good policies, you got best practices across across
the organization. But then the thing that happened that there's
no one's expecting to happen, and now you have to
have a real it's a it's a true conversation, right,
(23:48):
and it's not in the manual. It's not something that
you studied. You know, how do we handle how do
we handle those things?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
So, I mean, you know, as trong as the NFL is,
I'm sure there's there's a certain sort of guidelines to
get back because I mean, at one point.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm not saying we don't get back, yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But I mean to be able to overcome. I mean,
we've we faced COVID where guys were you know, we
at one point we flew in two guys the night
before the game just to just to catch it. We
played Denver with the with the kid against a kid
who's playing quarterback who's bagging groceries two weeks before, you know,
like the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But machine, no, no, but listen, Cam, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Right, we forgo the human element aspect that person is
still alive, correct, So you can bring it.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'm talking about can't come back, can't come back.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
So those are the kind of things I know. People like,
why why would it be think? Because those are things
I think about. Right, we're traveling all over the world,
you know, there's a lot that can happen. Germany game, Now,
what what can happen? What what happens if this happens?
The what ifs?
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, so what if this New Orleans Saints win the
Super Bowl? And Super Bowl fifty nine and New Orleans?
That's all I'm dreaming about these.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
But it happened. We saw Tampa do it right? Could
New Orleans? Could New Orleans make that happen right?
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Super Bowl fifty nine in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I'm looking forward to that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Fifty nine in New Orleans. Are we getting excited about
it just yet? Like? When when do you get excited
about it? I got excited about it knowing it was
coming because it got pushed off for like two years
in our way, three years, New Stadius popped up, we
kept get we got we got rolled back, and then it.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
So I started thinking about it the night that Kansas
City closed out fifty eight because immediately go to next cycle,
next cycle, literally you literally go all right, we're out
of Vegas. Here's where we are next year, and then
you just begin, you know, thinking about what are we
going to do differently? I'm thinking operations, officiating, What are
(25:47):
we going to do differently from that stadium to now
going down to New Orleans?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Right, well, I'll be there, you know what I'm saying.
I hope so hey, I'm gonna be there. Yeah, I'm
always I'm always there every Super Bowl week, you know,
and I would love to be on the field and playing.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That could be well, that'll be three actually home teams
in the last five.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Years in the Super Bowl in the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Could that? Would that be? Right?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Tampa? I don't know, Lil Wayne's a green Bay charge
of green Bay fan. But that's fine. We'll get We'll
get robbed for nine division our division right now before
the draft. Absolutely after the draft, most likely.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Like Tampa owns that division for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
We I mean, we had the same record, and the
previous years that they won, they won by you know,
they had a one game split on us own that
division or like barely coming out of there. You're right,
but you can't until you knock the fact off.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
They either want it or you don't know facts.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You only good is you only good is the last game.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I didn't think that was coming.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
From your last conference winch.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I mean, you're right, Tom bowls doing something down there,
but go ahead.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
They made it work with Baker Mayfield and then extended them,
so you know they got something going on that I
thought they might do something with Devin White. Devin White
comes back, I said, okay, it's not that, not that
they were going to go in the billion owed.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Fan of Cam I am a fan of and I
am a fan of coach Allen.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I love my guy DAA good people, great people. Good
you know, I've got nothing but the highest respect for
especially dealing with we had to deal with as first.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Head coach to coming up. Yeah, good people that.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
If that don't show your hard, I don't know what
does people. So just you know, I know we've talked
different Pro Bowls and over the years, like I've got
four kids, You've got you beat me out. You got five?
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Right? I have five children and nine grands I just
had my ninth grand grandson, my ninth grandchild, my fourth
grand boy.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
See, I got young kids. What does it feel like
watching your kids play like? You know, because I'm watching
my man's play t ball like please don't love it.
He's like.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I watched with a different eye because my wife's sitting
next to me and she's really all into it. I'm
looking at did he take care of the responsibility. I'm
just looking at it from a different game. But then
I have to be careful about what I say to
him afterwards because my wife is listening. But it's fun.
(28:24):
At the same time, I think about what I would
have done differently or differently, like done differently, and I'm
not trying to be him, but I had because I
had the opportunity to watch our oldest boy, true Troy
Junior play at n C State and then tront at
Ohio State, and then but watching the game, like I'm
(28:47):
watching warm up, I'm like, he don't he got he
don't have to write intensity level to day, you know,
like you can't just turn it on, you know, Like
I'm looking at he's slipping, like he got to put
his foot in the ground, put his show over his toe,
Like do you.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Ever want to come off the stage, off the stands
and like go really talk.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I want to go really talk to him. And then
you know, my wife is looking at me like, no,
we be a parent today. Let him be, Let let
him be. So that part has been fun. And now
he's with the UFL team with Wade Phillips down with
the United Stamps, no brompt the Bromos, Bramos down to
San Antonio and.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Once they merged. Now now I've got to re learn
the team names I had him down.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
So that part has been fun and I'm really looking
forward to I'm hoping. I'm pushing my daughter to get
her girls playing. Now that flag done, jumped off.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Flag, that's what the NFL is turned into.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
But no, can you brought it up.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I had my daughter played flag and she was like,
she went back to soccer, and I understood it. My
oldest son plays play flag. That man asked me.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
If I'm not a navocate for the game of football,
I love it, So why would you allow your daughter
to go play another to go play soccer? Because I
believe it.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I believe it freedom of choice, you know, like, at
this point, tell me what you love, but you have
to try something now.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So you're one of those men that don't want women
to have good opportunities to play the sport, the great
sport of football.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Are you trying?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Are you on record? Saying that you're I'm here.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I'm here to support and whatever that they want to do.
And my baby girl played played a full season and
I didn't see the passion that I wanted to see.
And I said, hey, do you want to play another
She said, no, Dad, I want to play soccer. And
we took out to soccer. She scored three goals. She said,
this is what I meant to do and I said, yes, ma'am, I'm.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Looking forward to it. I'm just it's something that during
the pandemic, she missed one. See, that's why she needs
to just play. How does she miss the goal?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
The big old goal at five five years old was
really muddlehudleball.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Like she's going to return back to football. She's only five, man,
I tried, you're excited about I'm excited about that opportunity
to watch potentially my kids or my brand kids hit
the Olympics. I'm really really excited about that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Last question I have for you now that we've talked
about flag is how how is it knowing that you
can catch scholarships from flag football from But that's the
seven on seven like direct relation. Never put pads onto But.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
That's the beauty. That's the beauty of the sport.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
So so when you think about football, the sport of football,
and this is when you put it in context, we
were probably one of the only sports that didn't have
other other ways of with basketball, you got five on five,
you got three on three. You know, you can go
on your driveway. When the pandemic hit, we were forced
(31:38):
to study who's playing and why they're playing, and there
was sports that grew inside the pandemic that time period
when the world was on lockdown, and it was like,
we need to expand what we do, we need to
welcome other forms of the game of football. Flag was
one why not why not young eighties? Why should we
(32:03):
not support young ladies like us playing seven on seven,
playing varsity football at the varsity level, earning a scholarship,
somebody paying for their education and they get a chance
to play ball and just watching it explode, cam Man,
it's competitive, absolutely, watching these young ladies get out. I
(32:24):
saw we was at the annual meeting and Steve Young
came back and talked about him coaching his daughters, d
Hot talking about seeing how his Flag leads have exploded
and brought the community together. Hey, LA twenty eight flag
football in the Olympics, laxt year in Paris, the World
(32:45):
Games like this we're going on here. In a few weeks,
we'll have our twelfth state sanctioned girl's varsity flag really
with Washington. I mean that's a that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Love that for my kids. I've got three girls.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I mean, think about it. That's awesome. Colorado went this week,
Washington in the coming weeks give us twelve states and
it just keeps rolling. This August, n C two A
will be applying for flag football being an emerging sport
at the n C two.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
A level, I mean, why not? Why not in college?
You know, Cal has a great field hockey program, But
I'd rather watch flag football. I'd rather watch rugby. But
I'm also.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
What do sound like Hardy Nickerson my mentor.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Cobts Hardy Nixon Junr. Was in the lead for a
little wile.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
You know, I learned the Rogues. Yeah, as a PA
rep and as a player, Hardy Nickerson and Reggie White.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Okay, great, okay, greatness personified. I appreciate you tapping in anyways,
Big Doug. If anything, just major blessings for everything that
you've been over the years to the game, and you've
always been open with me. So I've got nothing but
appreciation for you, Cam.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Thank you for what you do. You're an inspiration to
many of the young men, and as a veteran of legend,
I love to see young men take advantage of the
resources You've been intentional about life after the game, of
developing those skills, the right relationships. I just think you're
(34:24):
a real model that guys in any locker room could see.
Because it will end, and it's typically going to end
on somebody else's terms, but your intentionality.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
It all, it all has to come to an end.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But you've been you've been a just a star man,
a rock star of both high performance and then the
things that you're doing off the field with you and
the wife and the kids.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Oh yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Appreciate it, true inspiration.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Thank you. You don't want to have been married for
thirty thirty years. I saw the wedding anniversary said thirty.
I'm gonna have to ask for seekers off the field,
but til then, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Thank you, sir.
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