June 24, 2025 • 40 mins
On the latest episode of Move the Sticks, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks open the show by breaking down Penn State quarterback Drew Allar, analyzing Allar’s early strengths, weaknesses, and biggest takeaways from the tape.
Next, the guys discuss the future of artificial intelligence in football and how data could shape the way teams build and game plan. They also highlight the teams that came out on top this offseason.
To wrap things up, DJ and Bucky answer listener-submitted questions in a Q&A segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck
with you? Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Man another man? DJ?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Just is funny, right because we're in the weird time
of the calendar where there's no real ball going on.
Camps are done, we're waiting for training camp. You talk
about the college football fascination. This is the time to
go to the store to get the magazines kind of
see who's who, in wes what.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But you can't really look at the magazines DJ, because
the portal and all that, Like I still got a name.
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
You can't even get to the predictive stuff because we
don't know who's who and what's what.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, it's very true, but I am.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I mean, my sons are so fired up because I
guess July seventh, I think is the drop for the
new version of the college football game. So this is
this is kind of funny, but like, I'll watch them.
This is how weird it is, this is the air
were in. I'll watch them play a video game. It
helps me learn the name. Since the whole the whole
new wave of a name image and likeness where you
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actually have the names, unlike when we were in those
video games with number six.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like, I actually watched him play, like, oh okayeah man,
Penn State's got a little tight end there. He's kind
of nice, Yeah, what's the name?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, kind of going through all that. But yeah, they're
they're fired up about that. So that's the next big
event here on the summer buck. Speaking of Penn State,
I want to start us off there right now. It's
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, I made it this long.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I try and take a nice long break from the
tape after the draft is over, because all we're doing
during that run up is just months and months of
grinding on tape.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So I got to step back.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
But my first foray back into it as we start
looking at next year was with a familiar face, and
that's Drew Aller, the quarterback from Penn State. So watched him,
wrote him up for for NFL dot Com. I don't
know did you have any contact with him at all,
high school wise, or anything coming up with him at all.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I'm sure he came through, but you remember like these
guys are kind of coming through the weird COVID things,
so everything with the kids right kind of change. But
I will say like having followed along because all those
guys are always around. Look, man, he's interesting because he's
the old prototype at the position, like your classic drop back,
big body, all of the other stuff that we used
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to look for yesteryear. And I understand why last year
in the season, you remember people were talking about that
he may just jump in because he looks the part
in those things. In DJ, he would have had a
good case to jump in and be drafted simply on
projection and potential in those things because he does look
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the part when it comes down to how you draw quarterbacks,
particularly if you are a classic guy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You love the classic quarterback. He fits that mold.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, So the two lists that come out, you got
National Bloodstoe.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So the scouts, those that don't know teams, they support
these scouting systems, so they'll have one of their scouts
that's involved in that will be you know, and they
all come together a kind of conglomerate of a bunch
of different teams with scouts. They formed the National Scouting
Service and the blessed those scouting service. They go out
in the spring and they get early measurements and they'll
(03:09):
write reports on these players, put grades on them. So
then at least when you go in there in the fall,
you kind of have an idea of some information on
these guys. You're not going in there completely blind. That
information gets shared. Some teams are members to one, some
teams are members of the other. But get a chance
to look at those lists that have, you know, just
kind of talking to some teams. I was able to
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get my hands on this thing. Buck so Drew Aller
size wise six four six, two hundred and thirty seven pounds,
so he's almost six foot five, two hundred and thirty
seven pounds, a big man. Juxtapposed that the next one
I'm gonna watch, which I got to finish up today,
is Nusmyer Gerrett Nusmeyer at LSU. He is six five,
two hundred and four pounds, so he's under six. Well,
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I mean, that's a massive, massive difference in size there
between those two guys. But on on Aller it's interesting.
But because I'm watching it, I'm like, Okay, I know
he did not play well in some of the big games.
So then I watched Ohio State because I knew that
was one he got. People kind of dinged him on.
Well you watch the game, Gosh, the huge playing the game.
They're down in the tight red zone. He throws a
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fade as well as you can throw a fade. It's
right in his receiver's arms and dB just pulls it
away from him and you get an interception in that one.
Going through the rest of the game, see some other
you know, okay, some plays that don't go his way,
And I'm like, man, the more I watched this, okay,
he's got the size of the arm strength, you'll get
the yards that are there. Athletic wise, he's not super
sudden or quick, but he can get the free beats
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that are out there. There's a lot of good things there.
Like the biggest takeaway man for the the tight end
was a stud obviously one. The line was good, they
got the two backs outstanding. Their receivers terrible, just terrible.
They couldn't separate from anybody. Like when you're watching college quarterbacks,
you're gonna have a lot. I don't care what division
what You're going to see some layer window throws. There's
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no big window throws down the field. Everything's contested. Now
he does have like he gets to progressions quickly. You'll
see him he works top to bottom. He gets three
to two one, get to the checkdown. Now there's times
where he speeds up. You'll see like a quick out.
Occasionally you'll see a checkdown or some for some reason,
he just gets his clock sped up, and he misses
some of those underneath layups. You know, So he misses
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some of those.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He can't do that. He's got to clean that up.
But man, he makes some big time, impressive drive throws,
small window throws. But I don't know. I know they
were active in the portal. But I see Penn State
and all these magazines we're talking about being, you know,
a top two or three team in the country, predicted
to win the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I hope they got better receivers than they had last year.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, look that that's a big thing.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And the thing about Alt, unlike some of the quarterbacks
that real evaluate, like the perimeter playmakers around him, were
not a level when you talk about what Ohio State
has tried. Now you talk about some of the other
teams and the ye receivers at Texas had a year ago.
He certainly wasn't given that opportunity, So having to work
to tie end, having to work the backs like, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Fine, but you would like to see more.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So a big part of the evaluation with him is, hey,
let's reject out how his game would translate to the
NFL if he did have a level of receivers around him.
He does have with some of the others in this class, don't.
He has tools, he has size, he's the prototype, and
for some teams, they're going to love the fact that
he is the prototypical big man that you have there.
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If he played, I would say just a little bit
better and grows dj he has first round potential just
because of those things. And then if he starts to
put it together and stack some prominent games or some
big games in these marquee situations, then we're talking about
a guy who's gonna have opportunity to be a top
fifteen player.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I'd say him and his coach, right, coach Franklin and
Andrew Aller, both need to have their moment. They need to,
you know, they need to beat the big teams on
the big stage with all eyes on him and deliver.
So that's going to be something we keep an eye
on there. But I mean, also, Kosh, you're watching it,
they'll roll an athletic quarterback in there, give him some work.
You had Tyler Warren taking a bunch of snaps at quarterback,
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And to me, when I watched em, or watch some
of it just on TV, and I was like, Gosh,
I would hate that if I'm the quarterback and I'm
viewed as the top two round quarterback, top three round quarterback,
and I got another quarterback coming in. I've got a
tight end who's taking snaps Like that's messing with my rhythm.
And then the more I studied, I'm like, I think
that's kind of what they almost had to do because
they just didn't have a lot on the outside, so
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they relied on some more of that creativity.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, I had to manufacture points and plays.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
So were you having to put Tyler Warren to do
your wildcat and you're trying to hope that he maybe
you can change the equation and pop a big play,
take advantage of his athleticism at the quarterback position. Because
Tyler Warren was a quarterback in high school. It's look,
you have to do what you have to do. And
let's be honest when it comes to college football coaches,
they are in the business of winning games. Their primary
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job isn't developed players for the pros. That's a byproduct
of them getting ready to win games. So I can't
fall pan State for playing the way they needed to play.
But this year they don't have that luxury. We need
to see Drew Alla take on more responsibilities and deliver
better production.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yep, I'm looking forward to it. Man. It was kind
of fun. I kind of weird getting back in, get
the clicker in your hand and get rolling. But it's
that time starting to dig in a little bit on
these guys.
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Speaker 1 (08:31):
All right, buck, this time of year, we talk about
we're always reading books and we're trying to learn, listen
to different podcasts and things. I actually was an article
that I read that I wanted to hit you on
because The Athletic had a wonderful article on AI, artificial
intelligence and it's growth potential in the NFL, and it's
I would encourage everybody to read if you haven't, it's
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really really well done. It's fascinating to me. A couple
of key takeaways. Number one was man and it's gonna
make it. You know, coaches, I think you are going to
get concerned because you're going to feel like they're getting replaced.
That's first and foremost. There there there's nobody more paranoid
than coaches. If you want to proof of that, look
at some of the archaic rules they put in place
for scouts when they come into schools because they're so
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so silly. Yeah, but you're gonna have some they're paranoid,
they're gonna get replaced. But number two, it's gonna be efficient.
It's going to lead to so much efficiency in terms
of being able to gather numbers and gather information. Whereas
you think about quality control coaches, that would be it.
You know, up until two o'clock in the morning, as
you're trying to log everything in and what coverages they
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are and what down distance and how they're rotating and
what they're doing, and drawing up cards like buck with
AI that you program that thing that's done for you
in minutes like yeah, I mean, it's just gonna be
so fast. But then it was talking about how you
could almost have a conversation with it once it's properly
set up and built of like, hey, what is if
(09:56):
we're in third Like where are the Atlanta Falcons? We're
playing the Saints this week? Third and ten? We get
this pre snap, Look, what's the optimal call against this
defense on this down and distance? And then instead of
you having to comb through and try and find cutups,
it can spit it out for you just like that, Like,
these are the forty plays that we're run against this
down in distance and this coverage look, and these are
(10:18):
the most successful plays. And then marry that up with
your own scheme, like you think about it and it's
infinite the number of things you can do with the
help of AI.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well, yeah, I mean you can be really really smart
with it. And the way AI works, the more that
you engage with it, the more it knows who you are,
your tendencies, your likes, your dislikes, all of that.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You talk about really fully immersing yourself in AI life.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Man, you could talk about not saying that they build
the game plan for you, but they certainly can steer
you in the.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Right direction when it comes to how to attack an opponent.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I was talking about how baseball it's just so much
more invested than we've talked about this forever. It said
the Philadelphia Phillies had thirty people in their department and
their analytics to you know, thirty, whereas most NFL teams
the most I think they said Cleveland had ten, and
most most teams have three to five. You know, some
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teams don't have any, but at the most you're talking
about Cleveland, and that's with Paul de Podesta and the
baseball background that he brought over there, and they've only
got it to ten. So anyways, I'm reading through this
article and of course the guy who's kind of the
pinpoint of it and who's got all this knowledge base
and they said this. This interview took place in March.
Since the interviews happened, the Philadelphia Eagles have hired him
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to of course they did. Yeah, he's all over it.
But it was saying, like I was talking to some
baseball guys. I think we had talked about this offline,
and we were talking about just the army of people
that some of these teams have and if we're going
to use thirty as an example, think about My whole
thing was, Okay, is there somebody that's going to the
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minutia of when a pitcher's on the mound if he
gets he gets the sign right, so there's no signs more.
Everything's off of pitchclm right, So you're just gonna hear
the catcher what he's given you in your ear, so
it might just say you know, he's just gonna hear
fastball foreseeing fastball. So my thing was, is somebody watching
enough video where if a pitcher as he comes set
(12:15):
takes a deep breath? Is there because you think about
tells at a poker table, like surely there's some guys
who have just an habit of like, Okay, I'm gonna
I'm getting ready to throw a fastball here, like my
straightest pitch because is hero zero, Like, dude, maybe I
do something different when I'm throwing that pitch. And then
he was like he's like DJ they have stuff set up.
(12:37):
Think about all the little dots you have on you
when you make it. When you do a video game,
right when they're going to look at all your movements
and all that stuff. They have that stuff to where
if you fan your glove, it's a certain it can
be a certain tell for a pitch, the angles of
your shoulders, like everything if anything is off, and they
can connect any dot between what you're doing physically and
what the pick pitch you're throwing is or the location
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you're throwing is. Like they have all of that information.
So in this AI article about football, it was saying
that it can locate who the coverage tell is on
the defense. So it almost like think about an offensive lineman,
same thing you think about a guy. Okay, well you
know what the right guard he's tipping runner pass, just
on how heavy or how white he's setting on his hand.
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That's how we did it in our era. That was
what you would look at. Now you have these this
computer program and AI that can say, you know what,
when this safety creeps, you know, he takes He's the
one who's going to tell you the coverage based off
of he's here, he's there, he's leaning, he's whatever. Fascinating
to me, if what, like, you're crazy if you're not
using this tool.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
This is a smart way to take advantage of what
the opponent is doing. I think I remember, uh god,
as a as a young guy, we would look at
guys break the huddle, the wide receivers and if all
of a sudden almost down, they just run. I get
to the spot fasting Down's there?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Mess?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, yep, oh.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I guess it's a pads coming. You know, like all
of those things, just being able to tune in. But
you have odds in the sky to have enough data
and information to be able to kind of quantify some
of those tales. That's next level. But you got to
take advantage of it. You should take advantage of You
silly if you're not taking advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So, and I don't want to say the wrong thing
because I don't remember the exact nature of the program,
but you know, like in.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Golf with like shot tracers.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
In baseball they have track Man and it kind of
like shows you the spin and all that stuff, like all.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That that detail.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, because this year there's no markers, right, there's no
yard markers. First down, it's going to be electronically done
through those same cameras that they use tennis matches. You know,
all that technology has been around for other sports. NFL
is finally tapping into it. But they were saying, because
of these cameras, now they'll be able to if the
teams get access to all those cameras. Now you have
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the slow mode cameras that are going to be able
to they're going to be able to see everything. So
if you want to talk about the explosion of AI
and the things you can do, that goes to a
whole other level.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Okay, I got to ask you this because I feel
like I'm not today's yours.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I've only maybe really three weeks into fully immersing myself
into AI. How often have you used are you a
chat GPT? Are you a different version? Have you used
some other stuff?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
My kids use it extensively.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Hopefully they're not cheating, hopefully not cheating, but they will
ask it anything anything that comes up.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
My son will use it as a joke because he'll
be like he'll he'll he'll put.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
In the information and he'll if he wants something like
it'll it'll draft a text message, Hey mom, I really
appreciate everything that you've done for me over the DA
A da da And it's like this, I'm like, you
know way you wrote this, and he's like, I just
put it in all the information that the thing that
I want, and then.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It spits out. It'll write like it's it's Mother's Day.
It's like, oh, you wrote a poem for mom for
Mother's Day. Wow, he didn't he put it in AI.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Say it in my voice, yeah, to my mom into
my voice.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And then I put in like three three details that
would make it specific to her and then make it rhyme. Done.
But anyways, I I have not. I have not tapped
into it just yet. I did something before the draft
last year as an experiment, but it was I took
some positions in my grades are already done everything, But
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I said, who are the top ten offensive tackles in
this draft class?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Guys wanted to see, like what it would spit out?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But it was it was that was not It was
pulling information from all of us, all of us in
the draft space and then kind of combining it in.
So some of my stuff, maybe some of your stuff
Kuyper like mix Sha like all this Matt Miller. Everything
was kind of just kind of pulled from there. It
was like, okay that I was curious to see if
they had some analytical, you know, information in there. But
(17:01):
I haven't to answer your question, I haven't figured out
how to purpose it for myself yet.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah. No, I've only used it.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I had to write something for like a recommendation letter
for a kid going to answers your program.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So man, it had been so long.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I was like, so, give me a rough frame, and
I used the outline to help me write it.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I was like, this is bananas.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Imagine how much easier school would be.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So it was just so, let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So if you're going to go, they say, Coach Belichick says, Bucky,
we want you to speak to the team, and if
you could just cover you know how to deal with
the media, what scouts are looking for, and you know
how to improve your brand.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Just three random questions. Right, Yeah, you could you say,
chat GPT give me an outline for a speech on
talking on these three topics.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Boom, I mean that's crazy. Yeah, you can do it.
And what what then you're able to do is you
go from being creation mode to edit mode.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, you're like, yeah, I like this out this.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Tweet.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I mean my dad, so my dad, you know, my
dad's written. My dad's written over hard books, and so
anytime I've had to write anything as a kid, and
I would just be like, I get this paper due,
and he would go, it's always easier to edit than
it is to write it. Just get it in, just
get it down, get something down, and then you can
edit it. But you got to start writing, man, you
can't writer's I don't care. Just write something. It's a
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lot easier to clean it up once it's there.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
That is so true.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I feel like that sometimes when I'm writing every week, Like,
hey man, if you start early, put it down, come
away from it, then it's a lot easier to remove
or add or do stuff. But the hardest part sometimes
is just getting it down.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Pin the pad.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, no, it's interesting. So I don't know. I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
See you have a chance read that article if you're
listening to us, and let us know what you think.
But I thought it was a great article, fascinating stuff,
so I really enjoyed that. Let's say, quick break back,
come back. I want to know who won the off
season you wrote about it. And then we've got some
answers to some questions that were submitted on social media
right after this. All right, buck fire away. Everybody always
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wants to know. This is a question. Everybody asks who
won the off season. So you dabbled into this topic
a little bit on NFL dot com.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, DJ is funny because the off season hype, the
hype bunnies are going crazy in terms of who we're
excited about. We're excited about some of these things because
as scals and evaluators man, we just love a flurry
of activity. And so when we talk about the off
season winners is the teams that we look at their
moves and how they project out to make them better.
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And also on the topic, we only talk about three teams.
We talk about Chicago, we talk about Baltimore, then I'm
gonna throw in the New England Patriots. But Chicago to
me is a hype machine because from everything that we
talked about. I hate that we always quantify things of late,
particularly under the three piece, but it really fits when
it comes to the Bears young quarterback number one overall
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pick KAYLEB Williams. We talked about the three things that
are essential to a quarterback, young quarterback and particularly playing
play caller, protectors the playmakers. So Chicago checks off the
boxes in each of those areas. First they go get
Ben Johnson from a division rival. We saw the kind
of offenses that they were able to create in Detroit.
We saw how the Lions were able to level up
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Jerry Golf and you're hoping that he's able to do
the same when he has an opportunity to work with
Kayleb Williams. Then the Protectors they make a couple of
trays to get big time people, veteran players Joe Touneying
and those guys right in front of Kayleb Williams. So
you're like, man, okay, it's all coming together. Playmakers, they
wait to the draft Coaston Lovelin, they didn't get Luther
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Burton the third and you're like, this team quickly had
become different. And we were excited about the Bears last
year when they signed the Vets, right when they had
Keenan Allen and those guys in Rome of Dunza and whatever.
But now you talk about what I like the young
weapons they have on the perimeter, DJ have more anchors
that but like in the last two years, they've added
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significant firepower. I like what they've done to the offensive line,
and how can you not like the physical and fun
offense that Ben Johnson plays. That's why they're in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, I also feel like for them, man, they get
off to a hot start. Man, that's gonna be a
it's gonna be a snowball rolling downhill because the belief
is gonna come in there. The talent's there. There's no
I mean, we can say people can argue whether or
not it's gonna work. Nobody can argue about the talent. Like,
they have talent in that building. Now to me, you
get some confidence to go along with that talent. They
get off to a good start. Now you start to
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see this thing building we've seen with Ben Johnson, like
he's got infinite ideas of how to deploy all this talent.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And so when you talk about talent, the next team
is the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And the Ravens had been in that conversation, but then
when they moved it, they made the last move Yarry
Alexander to bring him into secondary. That look, Marlon Humphrey,
Cayle Hamilton, both guys that have been Pro Bowlers.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You talk about Malacho.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Starks being in the midst Nate Wiggins and then you
have to bring him. Man, that quintet might be the
best in football when in terms of the talent level,
how they play, how the pieces of the postle fit.
So you love all that offensively New Hopkins on the outside,
even though he's not what he once was. They needed
that veteran presence on the perimeter to enhance what they
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already get from Zay Flowers with Sean Babmen and Isaiah
Likely offensive line, Lamar Jackson coming back MVP, I mean
two time MVP could have won last year. Looking to
go back, I mean everything is there for the Baltimore
Ravens to make that run now is I would say
now in ever time, no excuses. They have everything that
you possibly want from a talent perspective, because they've really
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been diligent about how they attacked the off season.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So if I told you there was one team we
got seventeen game schedule, If I told you that a
team could go sixteen and one, that's just hard to
do with seventeen games. But to me, like the Ravens
have the most dominant upside of any team, like even
like with Philly whoever, I just think the Ravens are
a team that if they come out and they're ready
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to go, and they hit the ground going and you
look at the pieces that they have, the pieces that
they've added, the continuity that they have now to me,
I'm looking at them going like that they could be
fifteen to sixteen win team, like they have the upside
to do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, they absolutely do have the upside to be able
to do that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And the thing about them that you like the experiences
there where they should be ready to take the next step.
There's no doubt that they're talented enough to do it.
Dack Primrick somehow remains in his prime. You got Lamar
Jackson who's in his prime. You have weapons with lore
on the outside, a defense that really is coming to
his own, I would say, Zach Or now that you've
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had Chuck Grano and some other people on this coaching
staff to help him. Look, they don't have a noticeable
glaring weakness. This is a team that should be ready
to go. And you know, the offseason has been good
to them and that's why they have to be on
this list.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, no doubt or give me one more New.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
England Patriots and the reason why DJ we talked about
the cover being barren for the Patriots this season ago
we have Drake Man. You didn't really have much of
anything else offensively, a defensive Defensively, Now this team has
done a complete makeover where the talent from top to bottom,
from coaching is after player is now top notch. Not
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saying that they are Super Bowl ready. Mike Rabel comes
in and gives him instant credibility. We saw the job
that he did at Tennessee. You bring him back when
he's a legend in New England. You surround him with
a bunch of veteran defensive players that can bring the
toughness that is a trademark.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Of his program. And then on offense with Drake May Look,
Stefan Diggs, tray Brion Henderson. Right there, they are two
hundred percent better offensively.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Anywhere season to go because they have a number One
receiver and they have a big play producer in the backfield.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I just love what they've done. And look, I'm with
him the kind of bank on them.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Getting in the conversation and being not a side of contentent,
but I think they can be in that conversation where
they're on the graphic the last few weeks of the
season in terms of one of those teams that could
get into the postseason.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, and I've said it before on here, but to me,
my favorite storylineup the upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Is the sophomore quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And you've just you just hit on a couple of
them there when you think about, you know, Caleb Williams,
Drake May, the opportunity those guys have to take a
step forward. Jaden Daniels already kind of done it. You know,
can he build off what he did last year? We're
gonna get a chance to see JJ McCarthy excited about
that bo Nicks you know, exploded last year after he
got his feet wet, you got panics. It's his job, unquestionably.
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Now what's he going to be able to do with it?
I mean that's gonna be a lot of fun. Like
if you're asking me the training camps you want to
hit man, it'd be hard to say, like this, go
see all those those six teams, from those quarterback teams
to see what they look like.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I mean, you always want to check in.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I was having a conversation with someone yesterday and we
was get revolved around Kayler, Williams, Jayden and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Who do you expect to have the better career?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Even though Jayden Daniels has jumped out can Kayleer Williams clothes,
And I was like, man, you just never know, because
a lot of it depends on if you're surrounded by
the right things and you have an opportunity to have
the continuity to build consistency. Those are the quarterbacks that
have a lot of success. You talk about the other
young guys. Michael Penn has taken over in Atlanta full
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time after an offseason. Bow Nick's going to the next
level with a better team around him. There are a
lot of fascinating young quarterback stories they want to keep
an eye on.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And JJ McCarthy might be the.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Biggest one because he gets to drive the Ferrari in Minneapolis.
Because that offense is loaded. He's just gonna drop him
in the cockpit and see if he can handle it.
Those are good problems to have.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
No question, all right. We sent it out on social
media yesterday, some questions. We haven't done this in a
long time, so I thought we'd just ripped through them.
We'll go rapid fire. Here, are you ready to roll?
Should the Bears consider playing Luthor Burden as a hybrid
running back to open up the playbook? Aside from the
obvious trade options and obvious free agents. Who should the
Bears consider acquiring. Let's just focus on the first part there,
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Luther Burden. Can we find a hybrid role for him?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I mean the hybrid role for him is I'm gonna
give him the ball in a bunch of different ways
and let him get loose on the perimeter. I just think,
without doing the Deebo saying a thing, you can get
a lot of juice out of Luther bird, screen, game,
cross and rouse, option, rouse, all the things that he
did in Missouri.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I'm just going to do that because he's.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Surrounded by weapons where he's going to get one on
one matchups. We don't have to create anything, just getting
the ball to let it happen organically.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, to me in a slot, flipping the ball, bubbles, reverses.
I mean, he already knows how to Ben Johnson's how
to do all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
There seems to be a massive influx of tackle to
guard conversions coming out of college last few years. Most
top ots leading up the draft get labeled as tackle
or guard.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We're part of it? Is how the position has changed.
There was a time where we wouldn't see six or
five or taller guards.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well that's changed.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Well, now we're putting trying to put the best five
that we can put on the field. And even though
someone may not have the agility or the light feet
to play on the perimeter, there's a spot for them
if they can play, as I say, around the neighbors.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Right when you're.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Playing guard, you got the center, you got the tackle,
you got a smaller surface area that you're responsible for.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
So if you can just anchor quickly and just.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Understand how to use neighbors for help, you got a
chance to succeed. I think it's a combination of what
college is bearing in terms of the athleticism, but it's
more so I think people thinking outside the box. How
can I put the best five blockers on the field,
regardless of what position they may have.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Played in college.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Now there's a thought in baseball that you'd love have
a team of all shortstops, because if you can play shortstop,
usually you can play anywhere on the diamond. And to me,
it's an offensive line. It's a secondary. You've always talked
about having four corners in the secondary, and the offensive
line is having a bunch of tackles because normally those
guys know how to pass protect.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's a passing league. We start there.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
In college, you're not going to be up against a
lot of NFL rushers, the balls coming out quick. You
can be a very good, successful, productive offensive tackle in college,
and those warts that you might hide in college can
get exposed in the NFL. Another reason why I see
some of these guys kick inside. So great question there.
Let's see how about this one?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Hear all the time you build a team to win
your division, what team stylistically is best suited to dominate
their division this season based off of the strength and
weakness of the roster as well as coaching experience. So
who's if you look at a division, I'll take this
one because to me, I just think Buffalo built their
team perfectly for their division and.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
They've taken over.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
This is a division that was dominated by New England
and Tom Brady Bill Belichick era, and then Josh Allen's
just taking owners of it. Josh Allen is a quarterback
who matches that division. He's big, he's rugged, he's physical,
as it gets windy, as you get weather, he is
built for it. They've built a kind of just a tough,
physical football team. To me, I think they built their
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team to win that division.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
I'm gonna say to tam Bay Buccaneers, and I'm gonna
say the Buccaneers in a surprise because DJ what they
did is they doubled down on the perimeter, weapons around
Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Baker Mayfield is coming.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Off a career, your best that he's had and it's
signed forty one touchdowns only like fifteen or whatever. Interceptions.
But Mike Evans, Chris Godwin a Mecca a book. You
talk about big, physical wide receivers and playmakers. You got
Bucky Irvin in the backfield, you got others defensively, they
go and get Hassan Reddick and then they commit it
their draft to more young pieces there. To me, this
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is a team that has won a division, if I'm
not mistaken, maybe four years in a row. Look, man,
I think you can already hang the fifth banner up.
This is a team that's well positioned to continue and
extend their dominance in the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, that's a good one. I like that one.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Another question here, what are some common unwritten rules in
the scouting world. As a scout greetings from a Swedish listener. Well,
thanks for listening to us over there in Sweden. We
appreciate that. I'll give you my pet Peeve. It's an
unwritten role in scouting. You'll remember this from the days
in the room. If you haven't watched and written a player,
you don't get to talk about him in the meeting room.
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That will get you the iron and the glare of
everyone in the room when we're talking about what this
player is and somebody chimes in and goes, well I
don't think you can do this, that and the other way.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well hold on, I didn't. I'm looking through here.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You haven't written one thing about him, and you haven't
gone on the record, so you haven't either watched him
or writ him or written him.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
But no, no, I just saw a little bit of him. No, no,
you don't get to chime in.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
We all did all the work. So we're having a conversation.
You're more than welcome to join, but you're going to
need to watch at least three games and put a
report in the system so you're on the record.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh yeah, you got to put your name on. You
got to put your name on, You got to sign
your name on.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
We need to see what it is before you weigh in,
and you can't be the ad that is twenty twenty scouting.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
You can't be scouting in hindsight like oh, I mean.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I already knew it was good. Yeah, but we don't
have anything in the system now. This is that you
believed in them. That is one for me in terms
of like doing that. The other pet peeve I would
say is, hey, eliminate the radical changes from the combine
to the draft. Whatever you believed about the player prior
to the combine. More likely than not, that is what
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the truth is, because that is more based off of
what you saw when you had a chance to really
look at and play. We can make tweaks, but we
don't make wholesale radical changes where someone goes from the
fourth round to the first round based on what we
see doing that little workout season.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
From February to April. No switching to grades, keep the
grades to say.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yep, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
For that.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Last one I would say is on a school visit,
if you' you'll see this. Young scouts, they get kind
of pulled aside and told on this one. When you're
meeting with the strength coach and we're going over the
players and we get to a kid who's you know,
five foot tents center, who's and you just asked your
fourth question about him in there, like, hey, Bud, the
next let's go, we're moving, We're moving, all right, there
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you go, good question. Can you discuss the reasons why
Tyrie Wilson, who you speaking to me and many other
analysts really liked as a prospect, hasn't panned out so far?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
No, it has not worked there. And to me, you
saw the physical dimensions there. He had, the size, he
had the length. He was a flash player at Texas Tech.
I you know, to me, I was dreaming on the
upside there, as I'm sure the Raiders were as well.
Did not have him over will Anderson. I thought will
Anderson was, you know, was a better choice there because
that was the debate if you remember at that time. Now,
Tyrey Wilson has not been anywhere close to as good
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as where he was picked. Instincts Buck, at the end
of the day, he just he's a little stiff and
the instinct component is not there.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
DJ. That's everything.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And I think most of the time when we talk
about someone not panning out, it has something to do
with the character.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Whether off field character or really football character.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
And so we talk about football character, were talking about
work ethic, we're talking about instincts, awareness, All this stuff
kind of falls into it. And lug Man, it's a
fascinating tale where we can love the potential of the player.
But man, you gotta love Balldon. You've got to have
in a satiable desire to be great. I'm not saying
that he hasn't done it, but there's something that is
missing that's preventing him from unlocking the tools that add
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his disposal.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, now it's hey for him hopefully turns it around.
We've seen it in the past where guys have had
the like come on a little bit later. Two more
here about how long until we see Jackson Dark if
the team is successful regardless of Russ's performance or do
you feel Russ's performance will be the key factor in
when we see Jackson Dark.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I think Russell's performance is a big factor in terms
of when Jackson Dark gets under the field understanding where
Brian Dave Bald and Joe Shane are luk Man. They
want to win, and so if Russell Wilson has it
going and they're able to win, they're gonna stick with him.
But if we reach that midway point and it doesn't
look great, and we'll be in that kind of half
to figure out not to justify our jobs, but hey,
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let's show what it can be if you stick with
us in the future. But then Da rushes Jackson jar
to the forefront because remember he was hand picked to
be the quarterback of the future by that regime winning doubt.
You go to those guys because you're trying to show ownership. Hey,
this is why we believe that we're going to turn
the corner. This quarterback gives us a chance to do. So.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm gonna give you the analogy here, Buck. Okay it is.
It's November.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's November fifteenth, and your wife, your spouse comes up
to here and goes, hey, I know you wanted that
new driver.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
You love golf.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I got you the new driver, but you can't open
it till Christmas. So I've got it. It's in the garage.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
But you know, just let's wait till Christmas.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Buck, we get to we get to November twenty fifth,
you've played two rounds of golf, not quite dial. Then
you're like you know what, babe, I'll take my Christmas early.
I'm not going to take that driver out to the
course and see if we can't play a little bit better.
I think that there's I think that you cannot hide
your enthusiasm, and Brian dabol has not been able to
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hide it at all about Jackson Dart, and I think
the first sign of trouble, and that doesn't necessarily have
to be in the form of a win or a loss.
It could be in the form of man, I had
three play calls that were perfect in this game, and
Russ didn't hit him. The first sign I think Jackson
Dart gets in there, man, I think they're they're excited
to get him out there.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Well, look, there's reasonable, Look they should be excited when
when you look at him DJ, there's a lot to like.
I liked him on tape and I viewed him as
a first rounder from the jump. There's some things about
him that I think translate really really well to the league.
Not only is athleticism and the arm talent. I just
felt like when I watched the tape that he's a pro.
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Now how Brian dave Ball fully brings all that out,
I can't wait to see, but I can understand why
they were fascinate about it.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
And the more that you and I.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Talked to him when he came to NFL Network, the
more that we heard the reports about how him the meetings,
the more that I'm pretty confident that he's gonna be
pretty solid when he gets his chance.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Last question, how many snaps do you realistically expect Travis
Hunter to play on each side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I think it's going to be a slow cook early,
but coaches agreed and we can say, oh, we can
put the restricts on him. To me, I wouldn't view
him as a two way player. I would view him
as a one and a half way player, meaning he's
going to start full time on offense and then he's
going to be a part time halfway player on defense.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I would say, if this is high school DJ.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Homecoming game where we know it's a sure win, I
may not play as much League title game hate Trev
A lot of go yeah, you're going. I think that's
the formerly, that's the recipe. But I'm excited and what
I hope selfishly, I hope this goes well because what
I would love to see is more guys in the
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lower rank trend do this coming up because if we
get some of these five stars playing both sides, it's
only going to enhance the pool, the talent pool, and
that's going to force some of the pro guys to
be like, yeah, we're gonna try and get everything out
of everybody that we have.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
That is something that has really changed. By the way,
even at the big high schools.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I didn't go to a big high school, but even
at the big high schools, the best players were playing
both ways. Man Like back in the nineties when we
were coming up through.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
DJ. I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I don't know why you wouldn't fully take advantage of
what you potentially have by not playing both ways. And
I'm not saying that they have to be four time players,
but I am saying they should be practicing both ways.
And at the end of the day, like everybody tells you,
just like saving all the men, you want the best
eleven on the field on both sides of the ball.
And we have seen I would say a noticeable decline
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and maybe athleticism and skill between wide receivers and defensive
backs because a lot of the high schools are pulling
the best athletes and putting them at wide receiver. Well,
imagine if you can up the athleticism on the defense
side of the ball by using some of those athletes.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
At wide out on defense. That makes sense to me.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think that's what most high school coaches would do,
And I would say this, let's not muddy it up.
Let's keep it simple. College pros, use your best players.
If you can use them both ways in a sensible way,
why not do it.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, and the message to the other kids that aren't
going to get a chance to start in those games
because you got two way players says, hey, look, if
we play Billy both ways, we're gonna be up by
so much. You get to play the whole second half.
You can do the whole second it's all yours. But
Billy's gonna play both ways for the first two quarters.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Billy's gonna play both ways. And guess what. There's a
third phase the kicking game. You can run down on kickoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Make it tackle, you can do something kick off return.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
We can find a spot for you there. But yeah,
there are spots. There's a full starting unit in the
kicking game where you can be a start.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
YEP, and every time, Billy that little helmet, you run
your little toush out there and go get us some work.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Hey, this has been a fun way, great questions by
the way. Appreciate you guys lobbing all those.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Questions our way.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
We'll try to do this a little more often, especially
as we're in the offseason.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Anything you want to before we get out of here, Buck.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
No, man, it's always fun when we have a chance
to get it ready for the fans. I love the questions.
That quite is fun.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, good stuff. Appreciate you guys. We'll see you next
time right here on moving the sticks.
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck
with you? Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Man another man? DJ?
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Just is funny, right because we're in the weird time
of the calendar where there's no real ball going on.
Camps are done, we're waiting for training camp. You talk
about the college football fascination. This is the time to
go to the store to get the magazines kind of
see who's who, in wes what.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
But you can't really look at the magazines DJ, because
the portal and all that, Like I still got a name.
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
You can't even get to the predictive stuff because we
don't know who's who and what's what.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, it's very true, but I am.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I mean, my sons are so fired up because I
guess July seventh, I think is the drop for the
new version of the college football game. So this is
this is kind of funny, but like, I'll watch them.
This is how weird it is, this is the air
were in. I'll watch them play a video game. It
helps me learn the name. Since the whole the whole
new wave of a name image and likeness where you
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actually have the names, unlike when we were in those
video games with number six.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Like, I actually watched him play, like, oh okayeah man,
Penn State's got a little tight end there. He's kind
of nice, Yeah, what's the name?
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, kind of going through all that. But yeah, they're
they're fired up about that. So that's the next big
event here on the summer buck. Speaking of Penn State,
I want to start us off there right now. It's
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, I made it this long.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I try and take a nice long break from the
tape after the draft is over, because all we're doing
during that run up is just months and months of
grinding on tape.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
So I got to step back.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
But my first foray back into it as we start
looking at next year was with a familiar face, and
that's Drew Aller, the quarterback from Penn State. So watched him,
wrote him up for for NFL dot Com. I don't
know did you have any contact with him at all,
high school wise, or anything coming up with him at all.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I'm sure he came through, but you remember like these
guys are kind of coming through the weird COVID things,
so everything with the kids right kind of change. But
I will say like having followed along because all those
guys are always around. Look, man, he's interesting because he's
the old prototype at the position, like your classic drop back,
big body, all of the other stuff that we used
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to look for yesteryear. And I understand why last year
in the season, you remember people were talking about that
he may just jump in because he looks the part
in those things. In DJ, he would have had a
good case to jump in and be drafted simply on
projection and potential in those things because he does look
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the part when it comes down to how you draw quarterbacks,
particularly if you are a classic guy.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You love the classic quarterback. He fits that mold.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, So the two lists that come out, you got
National Bloodstoe.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So the scouts, those that don't know teams, they support
these scouting systems, so they'll have one of their scouts
that's involved in that will be you know, and they
all come together a kind of conglomerate of a bunch
of different teams with scouts. They formed the National Scouting
Service and the blessed those scouting service. They go out
in the spring and they get early measurements and they'll
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write reports on these players, put grades on them. So
then at least when you go in there in the fall,
you kind of have an idea of some information on
these guys. You're not going in there completely blind. That
information gets shared. Some teams are members to one, some
teams are members of the other. But get a chance
to look at those lists that have, you know, just
kind of talking to some teams. I was able to
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get my hands on this thing. Buck so Drew Aller
size wise six four six, two hundred and thirty seven pounds,
so he's almost six foot five, two hundred and thirty
seven pounds, a big man. Juxtapposed that the next one
I'm gonna watch, which I got to finish up today,
is Nusmyer Gerrett Nusmeyer at LSU. He is six five,
two hundred and four pounds, so he's under six. Well,
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I mean, that's a massive, massive difference in size there
between those two guys. But on on Aller it's interesting.
But because I'm watching it, I'm like, Okay, I know
he did not play well in some of the big games.
So then I watched Ohio State because I knew that
was one he got. People kind of dinged him on.
Well you watch the game, Gosh, the huge playing the game.
They're down in the tight red zone. He throws a
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fade as well as you can throw a fade. It's
right in his receiver's arms and dB just pulls it
away from him and you get an interception in that one.
Going through the rest of the game, see some other
you know, okay, some plays that don't go his way,
And I'm like, man, the more I watched this, okay,
he's got the size of the arm strength, you'll get
the yards that are there. Athletic wise, he's not super
sudden or quick, but he can get the free beats
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that are out there. There's a lot of good things there.
Like the biggest takeaway man for the the tight end
was a stud obviously one. The line was good, they
got the two backs outstanding. Their receivers terrible, just terrible.
They couldn't separate from anybody. Like when you're watching college quarterbacks,
you're gonna have a lot. I don't care what division
what You're going to see some layer window throws. There's
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no big window throws down the field. Everything's contested. Now
he does have like he gets to progressions quickly. You'll
see him he works top to bottom. He gets three
to two one, get to the checkdown. Now there's times
where he speeds up. You'll see like a quick out.
Occasionally you'll see a checkdown or some for some reason,
he just gets his clock sped up, and he misses
some of those underneath layups. You know, So he misses
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some of those.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
He can't do that. He's got to clean that up.
But man, he makes some big time, impressive drive throws,
small window throws. But I don't know. I know they
were active in the portal. But I see Penn State
and all these magazines we're talking about being, you know,
a top two or three team in the country, predicted
to win the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I hope they got better receivers than they had last year.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, I mean, look that that's a big thing.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
And the thing about Alt, unlike some of the quarterbacks
that real evaluate, like the perimeter playmakers around him, were
not a level when you talk about what Ohio State
has tried. Now you talk about some of the other
teams and the ye receivers at Texas had a year ago.
He certainly wasn't given that opportunity, So having to work
to tie end, having to work the backs like, that's.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Fine, but you would like to see more.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So a big part of the evaluation with him is, hey,
let's reject out how his game would translate to the
NFL if he did have a level of receivers around him.
He does have with some of the others in this class, don't.
He has tools, he has size, he's the prototype, and
for some teams, they're going to love the fact that
he is the prototypical big man that you have there.
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If he played, I would say just a little bit
better and grows dj he has first round potential just
because of those things. And then if he starts to
put it together and stack some prominent games or some
big games in these marquee situations, then we're talking about
a guy who's gonna have opportunity to be a top
fifteen player.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I'd say him and his coach, right, coach Franklin and
Andrew Aller, both need to have their moment. They need to,
you know, they need to beat the big teams on
the big stage with all eyes on him and deliver.
So that's going to be something we keep an eye
on there. But I mean, also, Kosh, you're watching it,
they'll roll an athletic quarterback in there, give him some work.
You had Tyler Warren taking a bunch of snaps at quarterback,
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And to me, when I watched em, or watch some
of it just on TV, and I was like, Gosh,
I would hate that if I'm the quarterback and I'm
viewed as the top two round quarterback, top three round quarterback,
and I got another quarterback coming in. I've got a
tight end who's taking snaps Like that's messing with my rhythm.
And then the more I studied, I'm like, I think
that's kind of what they almost had to do because
they just didn't have a lot on the outside, so
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they relied on some more of that creativity.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, I had to manufacture points and plays.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
So were you having to put Tyler Warren to do
your wildcat and you're trying to hope that he maybe
you can change the equation and pop a big play,
take advantage of his athleticism at the quarterback position. Because
Tyler Warren was a quarterback in high school. It's look,
you have to do what you have to do. And
let's be honest when it comes to college football coaches,
they are in the business of winning games. Their primary
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job isn't developed players for the pros. That's a byproduct
of them getting ready to win games. So I can't
fall pan State for playing the way they needed to play.
But this year they don't have that luxury. We need
to see Drew Alla take on more responsibilities and deliver
better production.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yep, I'm looking forward to it. Man. It was kind
of fun. I kind of weird getting back in, get
the clicker in your hand and get rolling. But it's
that time starting to dig in a little bit on
these guys.
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Speaker 1 (08:31):
All right, buck, this time of year, we talk about
we're always reading books and we're trying to learn, listen
to different podcasts and things. I actually was an article
that I read that I wanted to hit you on
because The Athletic had a wonderful article on AI, artificial
intelligence and it's growth potential in the NFL, and it's
I would encourage everybody to read if you haven't, it's
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really really well done. It's fascinating to me. A couple
of key takeaways. Number one was man and it's gonna
make it. You know, coaches, I think you are going to
get concerned because you're going to feel like they're getting replaced.
That's first and foremost. There there there's nobody more paranoid
than coaches. If you want to proof of that, look
at some of the archaic rules they put in place
for scouts when they come into schools because they're so
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so silly. Yeah, but you're gonna have some they're paranoid,
they're gonna get replaced. But number two, it's gonna be efficient.
It's going to lead to so much efficiency in terms
of being able to gather numbers and gather information. Whereas
you think about quality control coaches, that would be it.
You know, up until two o'clock in the morning, as
you're trying to log everything in and what coverages they
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are and what down distance and how they're rotating and
what they're doing, and drawing up cards like buck with
AI that you program that thing that's done for you
in minutes like yeah, I mean, it's just gonna be
so fast. But then it was talking about how you
could almost have a conversation with it once it's properly
set up and built of like, hey, what is if
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we're in third Like where are the Atlanta Falcons? We're
playing the Saints this week? Third and ten? We get
this pre snap, Look, what's the optimal call against this
defense on this down and distance? And then instead of
you having to comb through and try and find cutups,
it can spit it out for you just like that, Like,
these are the forty plays that we're run against this
down in distance and this coverage look, and these are
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the most successful plays. And then marry that up with
your own scheme, like you think about it and it's
infinite the number of things you can do with the
help of AI.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Well, yeah, I mean you can be really really smart
with it. And the way AI works, the more that
you engage with it, the more it knows who you are,
your tendencies, your likes, your dislikes, all of that.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You talk about really fully immersing yourself in AI life.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Man, you could talk about not saying that they build
the game plan for you, but they certainly can steer
you in the.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Right direction when it comes to how to attack an opponent.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I was talking about how baseball it's just so much
more invested than we've talked about this forever. It said
the Philadelphia Phillies had thirty people in their department and
their analytics to you know, thirty, whereas most NFL teams
the most I think they said Cleveland had ten, and
most most teams have three to five. You know, some
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teams don't have any, but at the most you're talking
about Cleveland, and that's with Paul de Podesta and the
baseball background that he brought over there, and they've only
got it to ten. So anyways, I'm reading through this
article and of course the guy who's kind of the
pinpoint of it and who's got all this knowledge base
and they said this. This interview took place in March.
Since the interviews happened, the Philadelphia Eagles have hired him
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to of course they did. Yeah, he's all over it.
But it was saying, like I was talking to some
baseball guys. I think we had talked about this offline,
and we were talking about just the army of people
that some of these teams have and if we're going
to use thirty as an example, think about My whole
thing was, Okay, is there somebody that's going to the
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minutia of when a pitcher's on the mound if he
gets he gets the sign right, so there's no signs more.
Everything's off of pitchclm right, So you're just gonna hear
the catcher what he's given you in your ear, so
it might just say you know, he's just gonna hear
fastball foreseeing fastball. So my thing was, is somebody watching
enough video where if a pitcher as he comes set
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takes a deep breath? Is there because you think about
tells at a poker table, like surely there's some guys
who have just an habit of like, Okay, I'm gonna
I'm getting ready to throw a fastball here, like my
straightest pitch because is hero zero, Like, dude, maybe I
do something different when I'm throwing that pitch. And then
he was like he's like DJ they have stuff set up.
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Think about all the little dots you have on you
when you make it. When you do a video game,
right when they're going to look at all your movements
and all that stuff. They have that stuff to where
if you fan your glove, it's a certain it can
be a certain tell for a pitch, the angles of
your shoulders, like everything if anything is off, and they
can connect any dot between what you're doing physically and
what the pick pitch you're throwing is or the location
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you're throwing is. Like they have all of that information.
So in this AI article about football, it was saying
that it can locate who the coverage tell is on
the defense. So it almost like think about an offensive lineman,
same thing you think about a guy. Okay, well you
know what the right guard he's tipping runner pass, just
on how heavy or how white he's setting on his hand.
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That's how we did it in our era. That was
what you would look at. Now you have these this
computer program and AI that can say, you know what,
when this safety creeps, you know, he takes He's the
one who's going to tell you the coverage based off
of he's here, he's there, he's leaning, he's whatever. Fascinating
to me, if what, like, you're crazy if you're not
using this tool.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
This is a smart way to take advantage of what
the opponent is doing. I think I remember, uh god,
as a as a young guy, we would look at
guys break the huddle, the wide receivers and if all
of a sudden almost down, they just run. I get
to the spot fasting Down's there?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Mess?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, yep, oh.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I guess it's a pads coming. You know, like all
of those things, just being able to tune in. But
you have odds in the sky to have enough data
and information to be able to kind of quantify some
of those tales. That's next level. But you got to
take advantage of it. You should take advantage of You
silly if you're not taking advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
So, and I don't want to say the wrong thing
because I don't remember the exact nature of the program,
but you know, like in.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Golf with like shot tracers.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
In baseball they have track Man and it kind of
like shows you the spin and all that stuff, like all.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That that detail.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, because this year there's no markers, right, there's no
yard markers. First down, it's going to be electronically done
through those same cameras that they use tennis matches. You know,
all that technology has been around for other sports. NFL
is finally tapping into it. But they were saying, because
of these cameras, now they'll be able to if the
teams get access to all those cameras. Now you have
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the slow mode cameras that are going to be able
to they're going to be able to see everything. So
if you want to talk about the explosion of AI
and the things you can do, that goes to a
whole other level.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Okay, I got to ask you this because I feel
like I'm not today's yours.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
I've only maybe really three weeks into fully immersing myself
into AI. How often have you used are you a
chat GPT? Are you a different version? Have you used
some other stuff?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
My kids use it extensively.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Hopefully they're not cheating, hopefully not cheating, but they will
ask it anything anything that comes up.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
My son will use it as a joke because he'll
be like he'll he'll he'll put.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
In the information and he'll if he wants something like
it'll it'll draft a text message, Hey mom, I really
appreciate everything that you've done for me over the DA
A da da And it's like this, I'm like, you
know way you wrote this, and he's like, I just
put it in all the information that the thing that
I want, and then.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It spits out. It'll write like it's it's Mother's Day.
It's like, oh, you wrote a poem for mom for
Mother's Day. Wow, he didn't he put it in AI.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Say it in my voice, yeah, to my mom into
my voice.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And then I put in like three three details that
would make it specific to her and then make it rhyme. Done.
But anyways, I I have not. I have not tapped
into it just yet. I did something before the draft
last year as an experiment, but it was I took
some positions in my grades are already done everything, But
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I said, who are the top ten offensive tackles in
this draft class?
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Guys wanted to see, like what it would spit out?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
But it was it was that was not It was
pulling information from all of us, all of us in
the draft space and then kind of combining it in.
So some of my stuff, maybe some of your stuff
Kuyper like mix Sha like all this Matt Miller. Everything
was kind of just kind of pulled from there. It
was like, okay that I was curious to see if
they had some analytical, you know, information in there. But
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I haven't to answer your question, I haven't figured out
how to purpose it for myself yet.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah. No, I've only used it.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I had to write something for like a recommendation letter
for a kid going to answers your program.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So man, it had been so long.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I was like, so, give me a rough frame, and
I used the outline to help me write it.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I was like, this is bananas.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Imagine how much easier school would be.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So it was just so, let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So if you're going to go, they say, Coach Belichick says, Bucky,
we want you to speak to the team, and if
you could just cover you know how to deal with
the media, what scouts are looking for, and you know
how to improve your brand.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Just three random questions. Right, Yeah, you could you say,
chat GPT give me an outline for a speech on
talking on these three topics.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Boom, I mean that's crazy. Yeah, you can do it.
And what what then you're able to do is you
go from being creation mode to edit mode.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, you're like, yeah, I like this out this.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Tweet.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I mean my dad, so my dad, you know, my
dad's written. My dad's written over hard books, and so
anytime I've had to write anything as a kid, and
I would just be like, I get this paper due,
and he would go, it's always easier to edit than
it is to write it. Just get it in, just
get it down, get something down, and then you can
edit it. But you got to start writing, man, you
can't writer's I don't care. Just write something. It's a
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lot easier to clean it up once it's there.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
That is so true.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
I feel like that sometimes when I'm writing every week, Like,
hey man, if you start early, put it down, come
away from it, then it's a lot easier to remove
or add or do stuff. But the hardest part sometimes
is just getting it down.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Pin the pad.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, no, it's interesting. So I don't know. I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
See you have a chance read that article if you're
listening to us, and let us know what you think.
But I thought it was a great article, fascinating stuff,
so I really enjoyed that. Let's say, quick break back,
come back. I want to know who won the off
season you wrote about it. And then we've got some
answers to some questions that were submitted on social media
right after this. All right, buck fire away. Everybody always
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wants to know. This is a question. Everybody asks who
won the off season. So you dabbled into this topic
a little bit on NFL dot com.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, DJ is funny because the off season hype, the
hype bunnies are going crazy in terms of who we're
excited about. We're excited about some of these things because
as scals and evaluators man, we just love a flurry
of activity. And so when we talk about the off
season winners is the teams that we look at their
moves and how they project out to make them better.
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And also on the topic, we only talk about three teams.
We talk about Chicago, we talk about Baltimore, then I'm
gonna throw in the New England Patriots. But Chicago to
me is a hype machine because from everything that we
talked about. I hate that we always quantify things of late,
particularly under the three piece, but it really fits when
it comes to the Bears young quarterback number one overall
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pick KAYLEB Williams. We talked about the three things that
are essential to a quarterback, young quarterback and particularly playing
play caller, protectors the playmakers. So Chicago checks off the
boxes in each of those areas. First they go get
Ben Johnson from a division rival. We saw the kind
of offenses that they were able to create in Detroit.
We saw how the Lions were able to level up
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Jerry Golf and you're hoping that he's able to do
the same when he has an opportunity to work with
Kayleb Williams. Then the Protectors they make a couple of
trays to get big time people, veteran players Joe Touneying
and those guys right in front of Kayleb Williams. So
you're like, man, okay, it's all coming together. Playmakers, they
wait to the draft Coaston Lovelin, they didn't get Luther
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Burton the third and you're like, this team quickly had
become different. And we were excited about the Bears last
year when they signed the Vets, right when they had
Keenan Allen and those guys in Rome of Dunza and whatever.
But now you talk about what I like the young
weapons they have on the perimeter, DJ have more anchors
that but like in the last two years, they've added
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significant firepower. I like what they've done to the offensive line,
and how can you not like the physical and fun
offense that Ben Johnson plays. That's why they're in the conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Yeah, I also feel like for them, man, they get
off to a hot start. Man, that's gonna be a
it's gonna be a snowball rolling downhill because the belief
is gonna come in there. The talent's there. There's no
I mean, we can say people can argue whether or
not it's gonna work. Nobody can argue about the talent. Like,
they have talent in that building. Now to me, you
get some confidence to go along with that talent. They
get off to a good start. Now you start to
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see this thing building we've seen with Ben Johnson, like
he's got infinite ideas of how to deploy all this talent.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And so when you talk about talent, the next team
is the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
And the Ravens had been in that conversation, but then
when they moved it, they made the last move Yarry
Alexander to bring him into secondary. That look, Marlon Humphrey,
Cayle Hamilton, both guys that have been Pro Bowlers.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You talk about Malacho.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Starks being in the midst Nate Wiggins and then you
have to bring him. Man, that quintet might be the
best in football when in terms of the talent level,
how they play, how the pieces of the postle fit.
So you love all that offensively New Hopkins on the outside,
even though he's not what he once was. They needed
that veteran presence on the perimeter to enhance what they
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already get from Zay Flowers with Sean Babmen and Isaiah
Likely offensive line, Lamar Jackson coming back MVP, I mean
two time MVP could have won last year. Looking to
go back, I mean everything is there for the Baltimore
Ravens to make that run now is I would say
now in ever time, no excuses. They have everything that
you possibly want from a talent perspective, because they've really
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been diligent about how they attacked the off season.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So if I told you there was one team we
got seventeen game schedule, If I told you that a
team could go sixteen and one, that's just hard to
do with seventeen games. But to me, like the Ravens
have the most dominant upside of any team, like even
like with Philly whoever, I just think the Ravens are
a team that if they come out and they're ready
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to go, and they hit the ground going and you
look at the pieces that they have, the pieces that
they've added, the continuity that they have now to me,
I'm looking at them going like that they could be
fifteen to sixteen win team, like they have the upside
to do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, they absolutely do have the upside to be able
to do that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
And the thing about them that you like the experiences
there where they should be ready to take the next step.
There's no doubt that they're talented enough to do it.
Dack Primrick somehow remains in his prime. You got Lamar
Jackson who's in his prime. You have weapons with lore
on the outside, a defense that really is coming to
his own, I would say, Zach Or now that you've
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had Chuck Grano and some other people on this coaching
staff to help him. Look, they don't have a noticeable
glaring weakness. This is a team that should be ready
to go. And you know, the offseason has been good
to them and that's why they have to be on
this list.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, no doubt or give me one more New.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
England Patriots and the reason why DJ we talked about
the cover being barren for the Patriots this season ago
we have Drake Man. You didn't really have much of
anything else offensively, a defensive Defensively, Now this team has
done a complete makeover where the talent from top to bottom,
from coaching is after player is now top notch. Not
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saying that they are Super Bowl ready. Mike Rabel comes
in and gives him instant credibility. We saw the job
that he did at Tennessee. You bring him back when
he's a legend in New England. You surround him with
a bunch of veteran defensive players that can bring the
toughness that is a trademark.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Of his program. And then on offense with Drake May Look,
Stefan Diggs, tray Brion Henderson. Right there, they are two
hundred percent better offensively.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Anywhere season to go because they have a number One
receiver and they have a big play producer in the backfield.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I just love what they've done. And look, I'm with
him the kind of bank on them.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Getting in the conversation and being not a side of contentent,
but I think they can be in that conversation where
they're on the graphic the last few weeks of the
season in terms of one of those teams that could
get into the postseason.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, and I've said it before on here, but to me,
my favorite storylineup the upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Is the sophomore quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
And you've just you just hit on a couple of
them there when you think about, you know, Caleb Williams,
Drake May, the opportunity those guys have to take a
step forward. Jaden Daniels already kind of done it. You know,
can he build off what he did last year? We're
gonna get a chance to see JJ McCarthy excited about
that bo Nicks you know, exploded last year after he
got his feet wet, you got panics. It's his job, unquestionably.
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Now what's he going to be able to do with it?
I mean that's gonna be a lot of fun. Like
if you're asking me the training camps you want to
hit man, it'd be hard to say, like this, go
see all those those six teams, from those quarterback teams
to see what they look like.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I mean, you always want to check in.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I was having a conversation with someone yesterday and we
was get revolved around Kayler, Williams, Jayden and Daniels.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Who do you expect to have the better career?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Even though Jayden Daniels has jumped out can Kayleer Williams clothes,
And I was like, man, you just never know, because
a lot of it depends on if you're surrounded by
the right things and you have an opportunity to have
the continuity to build consistency. Those are the quarterbacks that
have a lot of success. You talk about the other
young guys. Michael Penn has taken over in Atlanta full
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time after an offseason. Bow Nick's going to the next
level with a better team around him. There are a
lot of fascinating young quarterback stories they want to keep
an eye on.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
And JJ McCarthy might be the.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Biggest one because he gets to drive the Ferrari in Minneapolis.
Because that offense is loaded. He's just gonna drop him
in the cockpit and see if he can handle it.
Those are good problems to have.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
No question, all right. We sent it out on social
media yesterday, some questions. We haven't done this in a
long time, so I thought we'd just ripped through them.
We'll go rapid fire. Here, are you ready to roll?
Should the Bears consider playing Luthor Burden as a hybrid
running back to open up the playbook? Aside from the
obvious trade options and obvious free agents. Who should the
Bears consider acquiring. Let's just focus on the first part there,
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Luther Burden. Can we find a hybrid role for him?
Speaker 4 (27:23):
I mean the hybrid role for him is I'm gonna
give him the ball in a bunch of different ways
and let him get loose on the perimeter. I just think,
without doing the Deebo saying a thing, you can get
a lot of juice out of Luther bird, screen, game,
cross and rouse, option, rouse, all the things that he
did in Missouri.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I'm just going to do that because he's.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Surrounded by weapons where he's going to get one on
one matchups. We don't have to create anything, just getting
the ball to let it happen organically.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, to me in a slot, flipping the ball, bubbles, reverses.
I mean, he already knows how to Ben Johnson's how
to do all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
There seems to be a massive influx of tackle to
guard conversions coming out of college last few years. Most
top ots leading up the draft get labeled as tackle
or guard.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Why is that?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
We're part of it? Is how the position has changed.
There was a time where we wouldn't see six or
five or taller guards.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Well that's changed.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Well, now we're putting trying to put the best five
that we can put on the field. And even though
someone may not have the agility or the light feet
to play on the perimeter, there's a spot for them
if they can play, as I say, around the neighbors.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Right when you're.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Playing guard, you got the center, you got the tackle,
you got a smaller surface area that you're responsible for.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
So if you can just anchor quickly and just.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Understand how to use neighbors for help, you got a
chance to succeed. I think it's a combination of what
college is bearing in terms of the athleticism, but it's
more so I think people thinking outside the box. How
can I put the best five blockers on the field,
regardless of what position they may have.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Played in college.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Now there's a thought in baseball that you'd love have
a team of all shortstops, because if you can play shortstop,
usually you can play anywhere on the diamond. And to me,
it's an offensive line. It's a secondary. You've always talked
about having four corners in the secondary, and the offensive
line is having a bunch of tackles because normally those
guys know how to pass protect.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's a passing league. We start there.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
In college, you're not going to be up against a
lot of NFL rushers, the balls coming out quick. You
can be a very good, successful, productive offensive tackle in college,
and those warts that you might hide in college can
get exposed in the NFL. Another reason why I see
some of these guys kick inside. So great question there.
Let's see how about this one?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Now?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Hear all the time you build a team to win
your division, what team stylistically is best suited to dominate
their division this season based off of the strength and
weakness of the roster as well as coaching experience. So
who's if you look at a division, I'll take this
one because to me, I just think Buffalo built their
team perfectly for their division and.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
They've taken over.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
This is a division that was dominated by New England
and Tom Brady Bill Belichick era, and then Josh Allen's
just taking owners of it. Josh Allen is a quarterback
who matches that division. He's big, he's rugged, he's physical,
as it gets windy, as you get weather, he is
built for it. They've built a kind of just a tough,
physical football team. To me, I think they built their
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team to win that division.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
I'm gonna say to tam Bay Buccaneers, and I'm gonna
say the Buccaneers in a surprise because DJ what they
did is they doubled down on the perimeter, weapons around
Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Baker Mayfield is coming.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Off a career, your best that he's had and it's
signed forty one touchdowns only like fifteen or whatever. Interceptions.
But Mike Evans, Chris Godwin a Mecca a book. You
talk about big, physical wide receivers and playmakers. You got
Bucky Irvin in the backfield, you got others defensively, they
go and get Hassan Reddick and then they commit it
their draft to more young pieces there. To me, this
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is a team that has won a division, if I'm
not mistaken, maybe four years in a row. Look, man,
I think you can already hang the fifth banner up.
This is a team that's well positioned to continue and
extend their dominance in the NFC South.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, that's a good one. I like that one.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Another question here, what are some common unwritten rules in
the scouting world. As a scout greetings from a Swedish listener. Well,
thanks for listening to us over there in Sweden. We
appreciate that. I'll give you my pet Peeve. It's an
unwritten role in scouting. You'll remember this from the days
in the room. If you haven't watched and written a player,
you don't get to talk about him in the meeting room.
(31:23):
That will get you the iron and the glare of
everyone in the room when we're talking about what this
player is and somebody chimes in and goes, well I
don't think you can do this, that and the other way.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well hold on, I didn't. I'm looking through here.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You haven't written one thing about him, and you haven't
gone on the record, so you haven't either watched him
or writ him or written him.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
But no, no, I just saw a little bit of him. No, no,
you don't get to chime in.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
We all did all the work. So we're having a conversation.
You're more than welcome to join, but you're going to
need to watch at least three games and put a
report in the system so you're on the record.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh yeah, you got to put your name on. You
got to put your name on, You got to sign
your name on.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
We need to see what it is before you weigh in,
and you can't be the ad that is twenty twenty scouting.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
You can't be scouting in hindsight like oh, I mean.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
I already knew it was good. Yeah, but we don't
have anything in the system now. This is that you
believed in them. That is one for me in terms
of like doing that. The other pet peeve I would
say is, hey, eliminate the radical changes from the combine
to the draft. Whatever you believed about the player prior
to the combine. More likely than not, that is what
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the truth is, because that is more based off of
what you saw when you had a chance to really
look at and play. We can make tweaks, but we
don't make wholesale radical changes where someone goes from the
fourth round to the first round based on what we
see doing that little workout season.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
From February to April. No switching to grades, keep the
grades to say.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yep, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
For that.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Last one I would say is on a school visit,
if you' you'll see this. Young scouts, they get kind
of pulled aside and told on this one. When you're
meeting with the strength coach and we're going over the
players and we get to a kid who's you know,
five foot tents center, who's and you just asked your
fourth question about him in there, like, hey, Bud, the
next let's go, we're moving, We're moving, all right, there
(33:09):
you go, good question. Can you discuss the reasons why
Tyrie Wilson, who you speaking to me and many other
analysts really liked as a prospect, hasn't panned out so far?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
No, it has not worked there. And to me, you
saw the physical dimensions there. He had, the size, he
had the length. He was a flash player at Texas Tech.
I you know, to me, I was dreaming on the
upside there, as I'm sure the Raiders were as well.
Did not have him over will Anderson. I thought will
Anderson was, you know, was a better choice there because
that was the debate if you remember at that time. Now,
Tyrey Wilson has not been anywhere close to as good
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as where he was picked. Instincts Buck, at the end
of the day, he just he's a little stiff and
the instinct component is not there.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
DJ. That's everything.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
And I think most of the time when we talk
about someone not panning out, it has something to do
with the character.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Whether off field character or really football character.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
And so we talk about football character, were talking about
work ethic, we're talking about instincts, awareness, All this stuff
kind of falls into it. And lug Man, it's a
fascinating tale where we can love the potential of the player.
But man, you gotta love Balldon. You've got to have
in a satiable desire to be great. I'm not saying
that he hasn't done it, but there's something that is
missing that's preventing him from unlocking the tools that add
(34:22):
his disposal.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Yeah, now it's hey for him hopefully turns it around.
We've seen it in the past where guys have had
the like come on a little bit later. Two more
here about how long until we see Jackson Dark if
the team is successful regardless of Russ's performance or do
you feel Russ's performance will be the key factor in
when we see Jackson Dark.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I think Russell's performance is a big factor in terms
of when Jackson Dark gets under the field understanding where
Brian Dave Bald and Joe Shane are luk Man. They
want to win, and so if Russell Wilson has it
going and they're able to win, they're gonna stick with him.
But if we reach that midway point and it doesn't
look great, and we'll be in that kind of half
to figure out not to justify our jobs, but hey,
(35:04):
let's show what it can be if you stick with
us in the future. But then Da rushes Jackson jar
to the forefront because remember he was hand picked to
be the quarterback of the future by that regime winning doubt.
You go to those guys because you're trying to show ownership. Hey,
this is why we believe that we're going to turn
the corner. This quarterback gives us a chance to do. So.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I'm gonna give you the analogy here, Buck. Okay it is.
It's November.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's November fifteenth, and your wife, your spouse comes up
to here and goes, hey, I know you wanted that
new driver.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
You love golf.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
I got you the new driver, but you can't open
it till Christmas. So I've got it. It's in the garage.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
But you know, just let's wait till Christmas.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Buck, we get to we get to November twenty fifth,
you've played two rounds of golf, not quite dial. Then
you're like you know what, babe, I'll take my Christmas early.
I'm not going to take that driver out to the
course and see if we can't play a little bit better.
I think that there's I think that you cannot hide
your enthusiasm, and Brian dabol has not been able to
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hide it at all about Jackson Dart, and I think
the first sign of trouble, and that doesn't necessarily have
to be in the form of a win or a loss.
It could be in the form of man, I had
three play calls that were perfect in this game, and
Russ didn't hit him. The first sign I think Jackson
Dart gets in there, man, I think they're they're excited
to get him out there.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Well, look, there's reasonable, Look they should be excited when
when you look at him DJ, there's a lot to like.
I liked him on tape and I viewed him as
a first rounder from the jump. There's some things about
him that I think translate really really well to the league.
Not only is athleticism and the arm talent. I just
felt like when I watched the tape that he's a pro.
(36:53):
Now how Brian dave Ball fully brings all that out,
I can't wait to see, but I can understand why
they were fascinate about it.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
And the more that you and I.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Talked to him when he came to NFL Network, the
more that we heard the reports about how him the meetings,
the more that I'm pretty confident that he's gonna be
pretty solid when he gets his chance.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I'm excited for it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Last question, how many snaps do you realistically expect Travis
Hunter to play on each side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I think it's going to be a slow cook early,
but coaches agreed and we can say, oh, we can
put the restricts on him. To me, I wouldn't view
him as a two way player. I would view him
as a one and a half way player, meaning he's
going to start full time on offense and then he's
going to be a part time halfway player on defense.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I would say, if this is high school DJ.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Homecoming game where we know it's a sure win, I
may not play as much League title game hate Trev
A lot of go yeah, you're going. I think that's
the formerly, that's the recipe. But I'm excited and what
I hope selfishly, I hope this goes well because what
I would love to see is more guys in the
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lower rank trend do this coming up because if we
get some of these five stars playing both sides, it's
only going to enhance the pool, the talent pool, and
that's going to force some of the pro guys to
be like, yeah, we're gonna try and get everything out
of everybody that we have.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
That is something that has really changed. By the way,
even at the big high schools.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I didn't go to a big high school, but even
at the big high schools, the best players were playing
both ways. Man Like back in the nineties when we
were coming up through.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
DJ. I don't know why.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I don't know why you wouldn't fully take advantage of
what you potentially have by not playing both ways. And
I'm not saying that they have to be four time players,
but I am saying they should be practicing both ways.
And at the end of the day, like everybody tells you,
just like saving all the men, you want the best
eleven on the field on both sides of the ball.
And we have seen I would say a noticeable decline
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and maybe athleticism and skill between wide receivers and defensive
backs because a lot of the high schools are pulling
the best athletes and putting them at wide receiver. Well,
imagine if you can up the athleticism on the defense
side of the ball by using some of those athletes.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
At wide out on defense. That makes sense to me.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I think that's what most high school coaches would do,
And I would say this, let's not muddy it up.
Let's keep it simple. College pros, use your best players.
If you can use them both ways in a sensible way,
why not do it.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, and the message to the other kids that aren't
going to get a chance to start in those games
because you got two way players says, hey, look, if
we play Billy both ways, we're gonna be up by
so much. You get to play the whole second half.
You can do the whole second it's all yours. But
Billy's gonna play both ways for the first two quarters.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Billy's gonna play both ways. And guess what. There's a
third phase the kicking game. You can run down on kickoffs.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Make it tackle, you can do something kick off return.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
We can find a spot for you there. But yeah,
there are spots. There's a full starting unit in the
kicking game where you can be a start.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
YEP, and every time, Billy that little helmet, you run
your little toush out there and go get us some work.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Hey, this has been a fun way, great questions by
the way. Appreciate you guys lobbing all those.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Questions our way.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
We'll try to do this a little more often, especially
as we're in the offseason.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Anything you want to before we get out of here, Buck.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
No, man, it's always fun when we have a chance
to get it ready for the fans. I love the questions.
That quite is fun.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, good stuff. Appreciate you guys. We'll see you next
time right here on moving the sticks.
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