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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky and Baldy with
By the way, Baldy, where the heck.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Is my Baldy Breakdown T shirt?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know my address?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Yeah, I guess, I mean, I guess I got to
get these out before the holiday season begins. We got
I gave you.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Your suits back. What do you want from me?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
At least three of Baldy's like Neeman Marcus nice suits
that when I.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Cleaned out my locker. This is a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Somehow they got put in my locker and it didn't
take me on to realize they don't fit me, and
so yeah, they just hung in my locker. And so
then it's like a like in this like a stealth bomber,
like I snuck into the locker room one day and
just put those suits right back in his in his locker.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
And I'm glad you saved them, DJ, because they were
all layaway.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Anyway, we got Baldi's got a sick Baldy Breakdown T shirts.
We got to get those distributed.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
But let's jump into some games here, guys and knock
some of these things out, Baldy. Let's start first of all,
the Sunday nighter. I mean, I watched the first part
of this game and you thought, Okay, yeah, Pittsburgh, Yeah, no,
Pittsburgh's gonna they're gonna hold onto this division. You know,
it's kind of been gift wrap form. They're not gonna
blow it there in good spot here and then man,
you go to the bathroom and come back and like,
oh my gosh, the defense is rud it's ugly ahead
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once again.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, well, they can't tackle. I mean it's been a
problem now. I mean Tucker Kraft got one hundred and
thirty one yards after you know, if it was one
hundred and forty three yards, you know, after he caught
the ball like it was one big play after another.
And they were like simple flat routes. It's not like
they throw the ball down the field. They're throwing a
five yard flat route and nobody can tackle them. You
can't get them into the ground. It was an issue
against Cincinnati the last time they played. So I mean,
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but Jordan Love played, I mean, he played great. They
protected very well. I mean, he didn't hear TJ's name
or high Smith or her, but you hear anybody, Like
they got the shots down to Justin Watson, they got
their chunk yards and then they finished. They finished, you
know when they had to finish, and it was an
impressive second half offensively, and then Micah in the group,
you know they got after like the one thing about
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Aaron and it happened last year. He's just in a
hurry to get rid of the ball, so he's not
gonna get big chunk plays. And once you get it
out quick, and if he's got to hold it and
Mike is there, Rashaun Gary, like, once they start chasing them,
I mean you can basically say, okay, you know it's
either going to be basically no yards or a throwaway.
And that's kind of how the offense just stalled in
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the second half.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
You know what's interesting when you talk about both defenses.
We talked about Pittsburgh's first Mike Tomlin in the off
season when the preseason was really adamant about we got
these guys so we could lock up and play Manda
Man and I am a Manda Man fan, but we
know in Man de Mand you have more explosive plays
that you can give up because in space, one on
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one tackling is coveted at a premium, and if you
don't get guys down, you see the big plays. And
when I'm really looking at the stiller is is not
only the tackling, but it's being able to be sticky
with your guys down the field. You know, they have
all these guys that they brought in. They thought they
were going to have a shut them down defense, and
we're seeing big play after big play, which is a problem. Conversely,
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the Green May Packers want to play visit and break.
They want to keep the ball in front. They last
year they wanted to bring zone pressure. But when you
go and get a guy like Micah to go with
Rashan Gary and some of the other guys they have
up front, now you can have a four man rush,
leave seven in coverage and just sit and zone and
wait and watch. And when you have Aaron Rodgers who
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fears the pass rush with Michael Parson, those guys winning
at one on ones, it is problematic because they can
tell wait everything that you want to do without really
putting their defense air wrists.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
They're three losses thirty one points, thirty three points thirty
five points.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I mean, this is not like, ah, the defense is
falling off.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
This is like bad, bad and Baldi and I we're
talking about this morning, Buck and talking about the tackling,
and so I went into watch it. Okay, let's see
who the culprit is. Well, man, there's a blood on
a lot of people's hands. I mean, it is an
equal opportunity. Everyone's missing tackles in coverage. Thornhill's missing tackles,
Porter's missing tackles, that you name it, across the board.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
They could not tackle.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And you guys are right literally just dumping the ball
on the flat to this fricking tight end craft. They
cannot get him on the ground, right, you could tackle him.
So I mean that's that's a major, major, major problem.
I don't know if that's getting better anytime soon.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Well, you know, the one on one. I mean, I
even if you go back to the Cincinnati game on
Thursday night, I mean, you know they tried to play
man coverage Chase.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
There's nobody in the picture with Chase from last week.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You could freeze it on the All twenty two and
there's he's the only body in the frame.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Everybody it was Ramsey, it was you know, Sleigh, it
was like you know Porter, they all lined up and
he got beat and so you thought, okay, well, you
know Green Bay doesn't have the same firepower. But you
know they went play action, you know under center, play action,
max protect. They ran their speedo routes down there. Watching
got two big plays. Dob's gonna cut, you know. I mean,
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they did what they wanted to do offensively in the
second half, and Pittsburgh they could not play catch up
once they lost that lead.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
One thing I'll just add and we'll move on to
the next game. If you're going to try and find
some positive for Pittsburgh. Here, Roman Wilson's showing signs the
last few weeks, and he did some nice things in
this game. End up with four seventy four and a touchdown.
A lot of quick hitters as you're referencing quick outs,
but then you see, you know, hit a deep ball.
He's open for ten seconds on the touchdown of Aaron
just kind of took a while to get to him
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in the back of the end line there. But he's
somebody who can give you some run after catch. He
can give you, you know, some stuff down the field
as well, So that was, you know, trying to find
somebody to go pair up with DK. I think that's
at least a positive from the Pittsburgh side of things.
Let's say, let's buck, let's get to uh Man. I
think I think the most impressive win of the weekend
and that was Denver and what they did to Dallas
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forty four to twenty four just dismantled the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Man, this mantle of defense can't stop the run or pass.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
I mean, they just had to figure out what they
wanted to do and how they wanted to attack. But
they give Sean Payton credit won they need to always
just play in their throwback uniforms. I don't know why
they would ever go back to their regular uniforms. The
throwbacks are classic. It reminded me of being a kid
watching Rick upchurch return punts come home from church, So
I think they need to stay with that. But in
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watching the way they're able to run the football effectively.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
JK.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Dobbins, R. J. Harvey getting busy. Bo Nick's having a
terrific game, finding his rhythm. This is the offense that
Sean Payton wants because it perfectly compliments how they played
that suffocating defense on the other side.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Chee Payton like he's ruthless man. You know, the Cowboys
line up a free agent, you know Warner out there.
They I mean they they lined they took turns lining
up on them, including Pat Brian catches his first touchdown
pass the season right before the end of the half.
I mean, they went right after him, like every single guy,
whether Troy Franklin or you know, Pat Bryan or they
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just abused him. They put them on the other side
of the field after you know, the first half, it
didn't make any difference. They found him and they just
exploited it. But you know, the Cowboys don't you know,
they don't really do anything well defensively, Like they don't
even know, like just setting a simple edge so that
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every back that carries the ballge whether it's JK or RJ.
They're not just like hitting the corners like these soft edges,
you know, and then then it's just the run fits
like nothing looks like it's being worked on on that side.
You know. I know they've got a bunch of young
guys playing. I get that, but still like they can't
do the basics right now, just playing gap defense.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah, it goes back to you know, Bucky and I
are up there at camp together Baldy and just watching
the Rams carve them up like a turkey, and it
was like, well, the Rams passing offense is really really good,
or this secondary has got major major concerns for the Cowboys.
Turns out a little bit of both, you know, when
you get right down to it. But I want to
touch on two things. One, the two young guys that
stood out r J. Harvey, there's so much attention. We
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talked about it all in the lead up to the
draft that Sean Payton used the term joker.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
He wanted to find his joker.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
He's always worked inside out in New Orleans, whether it
was the back, the tight ends, the slot receivers, They've
always kind of liked to work in that portion of
the field. He wanted a mismatch player. And I saw
a video of the day with Breeze and asked him
who's the best weapon that he's ever played with, and
he said scrolls because.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Those are the matchups. Nobody can cover that guy.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And now you've got somebody who's got the juice and
the burst and RJ Harvey, they're going to figure out
more ways to unlock him. But seeing him get loose
a little bit, popping a run on a toss. He
had seven for forty six, two touchdowns, So that's their joker.
Then Troy Franklin, you mentioned his name briefly, Baldy going
through his stuff just he's playing really good in instinctive,
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in space, like for a guy who was a speed
guy coming out, he's figuring out ways to kind of
work in soft spots and zones. And when he goes
from the bunch formation across the four men and then
he rounds about twenty five.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Yards down the field into the end zone and never stopped.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Nobody there, Yeah, nobody and nobody there, nobody there to
touch him. That's why I just wrote down. I just
wrote on my notes. I've got a bunch of stuff
where he just kind of I don't label him as routes.
I'm just like, there's just kind of a It was
Mike Leach. Mike Leach's offense which was always just go grass, Yeah,
go grab grass. Just find out where there's some open
space and go grab it. But that that's what he's doing.
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So I went back and pulled up my Troy Franklin note,
So he was coming out he was six oh one
seven so just under six two one hundred and seventy
six pounds, so rail Finn ran four four to one
uh and my notes on him, tall, lean, explosive, he
can win against press with quicks. He's sudden, he's clean
out of brakes, a lot of fades, tracks, the ball easy,
a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Of home runs, had some drop drops in traffic.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But really, you know, we talk about like the we
used to talk up the blood area like, you know,
do you work in the blood area the field? That's
not really what you You don't really need him to
do that. He did not run in full speed and anybody.
So he's able to get the ball vertically down the field.
But I think Sean Payton and their group give him credit.
They've got him to get a really good feel for
working in some of these soft spots.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Baldly Well, the soft spots were easy to find because.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know, they're plentiful. Yeah, I mean there's a.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Lot of soft spots. DJ. But you know the touchdown
that you were referenced here to Troy Franklin, like the
Cowboys came Mark hespell Off off the edge the five
band rushed like literally bow Nicks could have checked his
snapchat right there, like you know, just seeing you like okay,
like he had all day for that thing that it
takes time. That's a route that too. Who used to
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throw to Tyreek Hill, you know, and you need time
for that thing to go. And literally, I mean he
he double pumped, he hitched. He had all kinds of
time to make those So he dropped back twenty nine times,
no sacks, one quarterback hit Like basically his uniform was
just as clean at the end of the game as
it was to start the game.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I want to ask you both this and Buck hit
it and then Baldy fall. But I saw Sean Payton
after the game. I saw some of his sound and
he said, you know, they really challenged their defense, that
this was going to be a good offense that they
were going up against. And he said, you know, I thought,
I thought our defense got the better of their offense.
And he goes then, of course on the other side,
I mean, it wasn't even close like that. That was
how like borderline arrogant that he talked about what they
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did to the Cowboy defense. But I want to ask you, guys,
you both played in the league, and I know that
some of the coaches you played for, but it seems
to me Sean Payton is one of the most confident
borderline cockey coaches in this league. And does that permeate
through your team when the guy at the very top
is that confident book?
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Uh yeah, I would say yes.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
And I would say the most confident coach that I
ever played for was Marty Schottenheimer.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
There were times that he would.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Just stand up a matter of fact, we say we're
going to beat this team. We're gonna whoop them doing X,
Y and Z. And depending on the maturity of your team,
some teams can't handle getting the information being like, oh okay,
coach says, we got it. We just need to follow
the plan and this is what is going to be.
And I think for Sean, I think Sean knows that
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the storm that's coming, and the storm is going to
be the Kan City Chiefs and they're going to have
to knock off to Can City Chiefs one or two
times to be able to secure a division, and that
is going to require an unbelievable level of confidence for
a team that still is fairly young on both sides.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Of the ball.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I think he's trying to convey that to get them
to step into that confidence that hey man, we're one
of the heavyweights in AFC.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Who was the most confident coach you played for?
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Well, I mean Landry was confident because we were so
well prepared. So I mean, but you know he also
wore us out with a lot like Marty did you
know for all those years. I mean, they just Wearry
out with the meetings and reparation. Eventually, you know, players
just want to go play, you know. I mean you can't.
You can't like cover every single stone, uncover every stone.
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But that's how Landry was. So we we you know,
we were very well prepared for what we were going
to do, and but he would out the plan every Wednesday.
You know, this is what we need to do this
week to win this game. And you know, and so
like the plan was set on Wednesday and then you
just perfected the plan all week long.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Well, you can tell they've got a very confident team
that's playing really well both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
They're in Denver.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
But what's interesting about that game though, to me, DJ
was Courtland Sutton is by far the number one receiver.
He was like a decoy all day.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, you didn't lead him exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah.
It's tough though. You got to pick between the other
three guys that are wide open that that that can
be challenge for bocks a ball that you were at
the Giant Philly game there, So I'll let you take
the lead here.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah. Well, I mean the second place Aque went sixty five. Now,
the longest run before that run all year long was
eighteen yards and and so you know, we were you know,
they blocked it. It was a perfectly blocked run, including
DeVante Smith gets a good block on the corner. You know,
Landon Dickerson looked healthy. But you know, they got to
they unleashed the running game. It was like it like
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they had never done all year. But I remember talking
to Patula before the game and I was just asking
him about, you know, where's your toss sweeps, where's your
pinning pools? And boy, they ran them right, and they
ran them left, and you know, and they got some
good blocks on the outside, and you know, they they
turned to lose tank. Bigsby had one hundred and sat one.
They even play sake one this you know, this fourth quarter.
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I mean, he could have had two hundred yards rushing,
so you know, they uncorked that. But it's it's really
the evolution of this offense. It started in Minnesota with
play action passes with you know, Jalen under center getting
some shots. They continued that. Then you got the pinning
pool and the run game and here they are going
to the bye week at six and two, and it's
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a tough schedule coming out, but you could see how
this thing is just gradually coming together and they're going
to be a juggernaut, you know, come the second half
of the season.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
What's Jurgens? What's Jurgens at us? Is he is he?
How long is he out?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Well? I don't know how long he is out, but
I'll say this this.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Brett Toath, he pulled his butt off in this game.
Now they have to Saque has to. He almost has
to push him in the back a little bit because
he's kind of waiting for him on some of those things.
But they were moving him all over the place. And
that's why I'm saying that that got the run game going.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
And I thought he.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Played well, But then I can also look at it
and say Jurgens is just so much quicker than him
that I think that stuff some of those might even
pop evy.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I mean, durgons can make all those blocks that we
saw Toat, But you know he's there. You know, he'd
been a swing guard center and so he played some guard.
But I thought his best position. He's got really strong hands.
And I remember I was going into the tunnel after
kind of doing a walk before the game, at the
beginning of the beginning of the walk, and I see
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Stout down there and he's yelling. He's like, get those
young pastors out here, like we got to go to work.
And so Toat is one of those guys out of here.
He loves working those guys out before the game. But
he played really well. He's he's a good young player.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Man boy.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
They got to ask you this because there's been so
much made not only about the Eagles doing this, but
more teams going under center, not only for the play
action benefits, but how does it benefit the ring game?
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Well, I mean, because you don't know if it's going
to be a runner pass and if you're going to
hand it off. I think Saquan likes being eight yards deep, Bucky,
like it just gives him a little bit more vision
for cutback runs and things like that. So it's a
good change rather than just being a point of entry
back out of the shotgun. So I think it's good
for the back and then you know, when he does
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get that, he's got a little better head of steam coming,
you know, to hit the hole a little bit harder,
a little bit faster than normal. And then I think
that the play action pass off it right there. It
just allows the routes to get deeper down the field,
and you know, you can set your protections, whether it's
max protection or chipping off the edges so that the
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quarterback can kind of set and you know, really get
a pretty good aerial view down the field.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Baldy, with the running backs you played with, I gotta
believe stylistically, everybody's kind of their own style. But I
was watching going through Barkley and Bigsby, and I thought
Barkley kind of stayed true to the to the call,
pressing it and then he even cut back was there.
It was there, And I'm watching Bigsby and I'm like,
he's just a pure daylight runner. I don't know where
that wherever it's designed, wherever he sees or feels daylight,
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he will abandon that and go find daylight. As an
offensive line, I mean they're both went over one hundred yards.
They're more successful in this game. But it is you know,
is it interesting just blocking for different guys how they
hit things a little different?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
No, it is different. It's different. Like you know, Bigsby
is he's kind of like a more like Gamewell's a
good player and Gamewell was that role for the last
four years. He's doing that in Pittsburgh now. But this
guy has I think he's he's more of a bowling
ball than Gainwell. He's more powerful and so, but he
does explode out of his well, you know Bucky, you know,
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just down in Jacksville, but you know, he does explode.
He had a couple kick off returns as well. But
you know when he sees the daylight now he can
he gets to it quickly.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, I would say the biggest thing for him down
in Jacksonville, he had a hard time not being annointed
the number one gal and I think it's very clear
for him in Philadelphia to know, I'm not going to
be the number one with Saquon Barkley there. So he's
probably more accepting of the role as the number two.
But I can't tell you this. He gives you a
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power back. He's physical and when he is dialed in
and really taking care of the ball.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
He's a guy that can be a one A one
B type player.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
And the Eagles being able to bring him in it
allows them not have to change their offense when they
want to go downhill, smash mouth Barkley, Bixby, Barkley, Bigsby.
I think it's going to help Saquon Barkley more. They
have a guy that is a starting caliber running back
behind him instead of the drastic drop off that they
used to have with a change of pace back.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I'll say this about Jalen in the last two games now,
he's got nine incompletions in seven touchdowns. Like people can
they can debate, you know what ranking he is and
quarterbacks like. All the guy does is he takes care
of the football and he wins a lot of football games.
And that's all he's ever done. And people might not
like his style, might not look like some of the
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gun slingers in this league, but man, that guy is
he's he's he's hard to knock out.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Right now, I think they've kind of mastered and Sirianni,
I give him a lot of credit for this. They've
kind of mastered understand the difference between the regular season
and the postseason. The regular seasons about your floor. It's
don't make don't make mistakes, and play it that consist.
You'll win a lot of games by not giving games
away and rate yourself. Now you get in the postseason,
there's going to be times where Jalen's goa to throw
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it more. You got to be more aggressive, and you've
got to play it a little bit differently, which they've
proven they can do that. But I think they've got
a pretty good understanding of how to handle you know,
talk about baseball like you had handle the one sixty
two and then there's October. Those are two different sports
to some degree. I think at the quarterback position, I
think there's something to that as well. They've done a
nice job with that. Let's say, quick break, we come back,
We'll not got a couple more games, all right, Buck,
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This one I think is the I'll say the surprise.
If Denver was the most impressive win of the week,
this clearly was a surprise to me and not necessarily
even that the Jets beat the Cincinnati Bengals, but the
fact that the Jets hung thirty nine on the board
with what we'd seen from their offense, that was a
heck of a first win there for Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, look a great first win. And I'll say this
about the Jets, like coming in they had four games
where they lost, they were within a score. A couple
of those were two point games that they lost. And
so even though the sky was seemingly falling in New York,
if you really did a deep dive in terms of
how they were playing, it wasn't as bad as it appeared.
Cincinnati was like the perfect opponent for them because their
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defense is awful and their defense has been trash. And
so at a time when your much milid quarterback was desperate,
didn't even know if he was going to start, Rod
Taylor was ruled out, he found a way to have
some confidence, made a couple of plays, they got the
ball the Brisaw's hands, and then they just made enough
plays to win a game. Now, what does this do
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for them beyond that, I don't know, but I think
it speaks a little bit about the resilience of some
of the players.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
But more about the Cincinnati Bengals. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
They did a really good defensive coordinator walk out the door,
and Al Golden is good. But man, they put a
lot of blame on lou An Arumo, and all I
do is I look over at Indianapolis and they are
bawling out on defense.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I watched this game. I had to do some breakdowns
for the Jets. They've ran the ball thirty seven times
for two hundred and fifty four yards, by far, the
most all year. And this is Isaiah I don't know
what you had on Isaiah Davis DJ coming out of
South Dakosta State. Yeah, I mean that guy had the
longest play from scrimmage for the Jets this year. I
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mean it was a weak side slant. He went fifty
and he hit a burst. I didn't know we had
that burst, but he went fifty and then a couple
plays later, breeze halls. I got my I could do
that too, and he went for thirty five, and so
I thought they you know, they were down fifteen late
in the third quarter, they're down fourteen in the fourth quarter,
and they dang at that defense, and good luck, you know,
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telling me who their starters are the guys that are
on the field in that game, because you got Azariah
Thomas out there, you got Marinoa out there, you got
a lot of guys that you know, I don't think
people know who they are. But they got two stops
at the end of the game. They got the ball
back to the offense, you know. I mean that's Joe
Flacco and Jamar and t you know, the whole group
out there, and they made two stops to go down
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there and do it. They got their two point conversions.
Breece popped a twenty seven yard touchdown run to cut
it to you know, one touchdown. And you know, I
don't know really who some of these receivers are. Tyler
Smith and you know some of these guys that they
had out there. But I mean Justin hit him on
in stride a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Man, I gotta find what year this is, because now
it's gonna bug me because I know I've got him here.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What Isaiah, it's Isaiah Davis, right.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Yeah, Davis. He was He came out with Rayln Allen,
so he was last.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Four, twenty four, twenty four, all right, Now, now I'm
gonna find him, right now I'm thinking up here.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
You might have been third round, third or fourth round DJ.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, Isaiah Davis. Right here, here we go.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Uh six oh two, two hundred and eighteen pounds, ran
four five seven Uh uh choppy feet, lateral quicks. They
use him in some wildcat stuff in the red zone.
Can bounce off tackles, runs a little high, but he'll
step through, attacking smother linebackers and pass pro So that was, uh,
that was some of my notes on damn.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
They called a play on a shallow cross for him
on like third and seven, like one of those you know,
you know crossers like two from one st one from
the other and you know, just ran through some traffic.
They called to play for the guy, you know on
the spot. I'm like, all right, good call.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You know, you know we used to call it. We
used to call that. Uh, we used to call that bopper.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
So you'd have like the backs going opposite, so you'd
have like a back or a tight end, a tight
end in a back, and so they'd be going like this,
so you'd read it. You'd have a little sit route
over the middle of the field bald. Then it was
just hey, if it's zone, I'm gonna just take the
whoever's sitting down here, and if it's man, you're gonna
get a little bit of a rub there. I missed
more than my fair share of that back, just wide
open out there in a flat, simple simple throw. Hey,
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either one, raise your hand if you want to take
this one, though, how do you how do you go
in this ballgame and have one quarterback hit when you're
the Cincinnati Bengals. They touched the quarterback one time in
this game. I know we've talked about the coordinator thing.
I know we've talked about Okay, we've got some roster stuff,
but that almost speaks to me like it's a cultural
issue a little bit like how hard are you guys playing.
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I don't care who you got up there, you got
to be able touch the quarterback more than once.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
They got two rookie linebackers in there right now. Trey Henderson,
if he played, nobody you would not know that he played.
He was out there, but I mean he had no
impact whatsoever. I mean, everybody had been beating for Shano
the last couple of weeks, like he's really struggled out
there in pass protection, but he didn't have any problem
locking guys up and you know, I thought the they
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went max they maxed it up a little bit. That
kind of helped. But I mean, you didn't see you
didn't see any of those guys make and really any
kind of blitzes or anything where you know, just getting
some speed to the quarterback just a free hitter. You
didn't see any kind of overloads like that. But maybe
they're sitting with a fourteen fifteen point lead and in
the third quarter thing and we'll just keep it in
front of us and you know, we'll just rush forward.
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I mean, that was part of the idea until you know,
until it was too late.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, But in that even in that, they don't play
like they need to play. In a division that is
known for being rough and rugged, the Bengals don't necessarily
bring that all the time and that effort, that energy,
and I know we eventually talked about Baltimore it is
the day to more. But that has to be there
when you're in these critical situations. They're not at a
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point where they can take a game off and say,
oh we still go go to the playoffs. So the
urgency has to be there, particularly on the defense that's
playing against a very a struggling quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
You got to get after.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'll give it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I'll give the fullback who is it Beck for nice
blocks in that game too, on some of those big runs.
I thought they're tight ends hung in there and blocked
pretty well.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
We had talked about, you know, the half back pass
Bries Hall to Mason Taylor. I mean, that was that
was too.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Easy of a joke, because when the owner comes out
and says, we can't complete a pass, and then here's
Brice Hall throwing a touchdown to win you.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
It was along the uglier passes I've seen, but he
gave Mason Taylor a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
He finished it too. All right, let's get one more game.
We'll send Baldy on his way here Chicago Baltimore again. Baldi,
we were chatting this morning. I we can go wherever
you want to go. We can go good Baltimore defense,
we can go bad Bears. Quarterback play wherever you want
to go.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I mean, I'll start like Snoop puntley Man. Snoop played great,
you know, and me and he had ten really good
throws in that game, and he got it through all
the wide receivers. They they kind of pulled out you know,
like Keaton Mitchell was kind of a forgotten guy all
year long. WI He's either nobody knows how fast he
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is because they take the wrong angles, but he turns
the corner three different times in that game, one for
twenty five yards, pops a run on the outside. Then
you know, you got Charlie Kohlar, who's doing the old
you know, just sneaking across the formation and a wide
opening the end zone. And then you got Nuke, who
basically has been a forgotten guy. But on third and
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seven with a one score game, they throw back shoulder
to Nuke and he comes up with a big play
to extend the drive and play keep away from Chicago.
I thought that was all really impressive. And then they
blitzed the hell out of Caleb. I mean, like, you know,
whether it was rokwand or whether it was Hamilton, Like
they got after pretty good, you know, and because even
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Mike Green got his first. But I thought they got
after Kale pretty good and never really let them get comfortable.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
You know what I liked about the Baltimore Ravens is
they got back to business in terms of who they are.
And I always feel like there are certain franchises that
when they're back into a corner, they go back to
the identity that's been long established in their franchise. They
ran the football, they played rough and rugged defense, they
got after it.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
It appeared to the defensive plan.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Was very simple, so they could get back to playing
fast and physical, and I love that. The only question
that I ever have about Baltimore Ravens is why would
you go get a backup quarterback that stylistically is so different.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Than we're starting quarterbacks?
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Because then you see Snoop Puntley playing the offense that
was originally built for Lamar Jackson, and the offense continues
to roll. I just wonder what the thought process was,
because it never really, it never really logically fit why
Cooper Rush would be the backup to Lamar Jackson when
Snoop Unley and other athletic quarterbacks been serviceable fits behind him.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
I think it's a great point. I haven't really people
heard people talk much about it either. I think it's
an excellent point. And two things from me on this.
Number One, I don't think you can overstate how important
it was on the first drive to get a stop
because Chicago moved right down the field and that's Ben Johnson,
that is his mo man. They come out the gates
wherever he is, They come out the gates smoking, and
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you got a Ravens defense. It's lacking in confidence. You
get a lot of pieces back. Roquan being back in
there was huge. We'll get to that. But for them
to march right down the field and then I believe
Chicago had a penalty inside the ten that maybe bumped
them back a little bit.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
They ended up getting that.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I think that's where they got the sack and they
and they get a stop on that first series force
of three. So that was huge to me. It was
just kind of like, Okay, it's not a here we
go again. We can't stop anybody. Take the air out
of the of the balloon, so to speak. And then
Rokuan Baldi we you know, we were talking about this morning.
That was one of the more fun watches for me
this morning was going through and watching what he did.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I know you got a chance to see him too,
but he's he is.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
A you know we talk about force multipliers like, it's
not only what he does, it's what he brings.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But it was impressive.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, he let him out. He let him up pretty good.
That had been a pretty good running attack. They popped
a couple runs, but you know, Manong Guy and DeAndre Swift,
there wasn't the lanes that they had been getting the
last two games. When Swift went over one hundred yards
and both previous games, I thought the play of the
game was was Nate Wiggins, though, I mean they only
have two interceptions all year. Wiggins has it. It's a
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dig route to Doomsay and Caleb's looking at him all
the way. He's got good time and Wiggins, I mean
he I don't know what he ran.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Did he want to two?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, you see too, because he's done his upfield shoulder
buck and he's trailing him and then you just see
this burst and he runs right in front of a
Doomsay and that set him up for you know, it
was a one score game. It's a second down play.
You can stop him right there in Chicago's going to
get good field positioning twenty three sixteen and that really
turned the whole game around right there. Or two eight,
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well too eight That looked for to eight.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
And and here's the thing, because normally you end up
being critical to the wide receiver for drifting up the field.
But I can't even say that they ran a bad watch.
It was nice and flat. It was a great play
by Nate Wiggins to do it. And even though people
have talked about Caleb and the throw, the throw wasn't
off the mark. I felt like it was a better
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play than it was, just a great play by Nate Wiggins.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, I mean you could. I mean you're talking about
a maybe a foot could have been a foot more
out in front. But I think he gets it either way.
Because Wiggins was tracking it so well, he had to
back in the flat.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
He could have taken it. I can see.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Just to me, we always talk about this Baldy Bucky,
and I always go back to what the coach that
I had would always take the quarterbacks before the game.
We'd always walk the field, and so we'd always say, like, okay,
we'll start. We're starting our own like five. Okay, we
got a possession that starts here. The first thing is
we're getting the first down. To help the punter, we're
extra cautious with the ball. He kind of moved out. Okay,
we're in the middle of the field. We might be
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thinking about a shot. Okay, now, we're in here, don't
don't take a sack. Well, weird field will range like that,
just like a situation. I'm hoping that Caleb, the more
he's in these situations, he's going to realize, Okay, like,
what's a one score game. We got a chance to
go down and get the league. One thing we got
to do is we gotta get a first down before
we get a touchdown. Let's not get greed. I thought
he was pressing, pushing that ball a little bit instead
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of just taking the back. Let's get a first down,
you know what I mean? Like that, I think that
I'm hopeful because some of this stuff keeps popping.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Up with him.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I'm hoping that it's just an experienced thing and he's gonna,
you know, he's going to kind of learn and grow
from it.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Now. You see that the talent does show, like some
of the throws he made getting out of a jam
and on the run like you I mean, and some
of his movement is like crazy, but it's just not
Sometimes just the easy throws he makes it difficult.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah he had, he had a deep ball he missed.
He had.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, look there's there are you can cut up ten
plays and show ten huge throws, big time throws. But
then there's just some of those layups you just want
to see him make it, including towards the end of
the game when he changes armor angal for I know,
they necessarily needed to change his arm angle on that one,
and the ball misses a Doonsday who's wide open in
the back of the end zone. But he continued to
a Doonesay continue to play well. He had seven for
a buck fourteen. He's on pace for eleven hundred yards
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and twelve touchdowns. So Roman Dunsay's having a really nice
year there. But that's a big win for the Ravens
and all of a sudden, this team that was one
in five.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
You look up in this.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Division and how Pittsburgh's playing in Cleveland, Cincinnati, and you're like, oh,
you guys might have left open back in there.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
You know you got your card back in there. Now,
like all of a sudden, you can see this thing.
You can see the Ravens coming out of this crypt.
I mean it's week to week, but you can see
them coming out of this thing right now.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, no question, Baldy. Last thing. Then I'll let you
run the U this league this year.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
We were talking about the Patriots, and we'll get to
them and tomorrow's episode of Bucky and Myself. But the
schedule this year, maybe more so than any other, there's
a there's a good number of bad teams, and your
schedule is an important factor and how far you're going
to go this year, some of these teams on the
express right to the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, New England's right in the middle of it right now,
you know, because you know they they've got they just
whipped Cleveland, you know, and Atlanta is that you know,
they got them at home and you could just see
them stack at these wins. They got a big game
in Tampa, you know, and then they got to Jets
in Cincinnati. Like, you know, they're seeing some of these
teams that are at the bottom of the you know,
just the bottom of the barrel right now, but you know,
(34:23):
you get one like I don't know what Atlanta I
got to watch Atlanta heads, I don't. I don't want
to jump ahead of myself here, but yeah, they've had
some real stinkers and clunkers here short the course of
the season.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, that's to say the least. All right, Hey, this
has been fun. Baldi love these mondays, each and everybody
can appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Man, we're seeing their ship well bucket. It's always great
to have baldy man.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Good chance to uh to break these games down and
kind of a different week, right, we didn't have quite
as many games, so a chance to lock in on
the on the ones we did have.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, absolutely, And with a with a smalls slate, smaller ben,
you're able to kind of dive a little deeper into
those games because you had a chance to see all
of those games instead of flipping around. So it was
a great weekend, uh, And I'm looking forward to more
five weeks so we can kind of narrow focus a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
And by the way, in the UH file, forty or
so minutes we've been doing this, I don't think a
college coach was fired, So you know, hey, they made
it forty minutes without somebody getting whacked. Good night dropping
like flies, brother, DJ.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
There are a lot of great jobs. Who's gonna take
all these jobs?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like apparently Lane gets all of them. I think Lane's
coaching fourteen next year.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Who are going to get all of these jobs? It's
crazy because if it's not Lane, it's Marcus Freeman. They
keep citing it. I'm like, Marcus Freeman is going to
leave your.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Name another name? Yeah, so what what are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
No, it's a good day to be Clark Lee. I
promise you that. It's a you hear his name too.
Now they're doing messing around. So I know one thing.
These a lot of dudes are going to get opportunities
for jobs, or they're gonna get opportunities for raises. They
are and that is a good time to be a
good college.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Coach right now. That's a good spot to be.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
In for no question. All right, that'll do it for
us today. We'll see it tomorrow right here on. Move
the sticks.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Mhm.