January 23, 2025 • 28 mins
On this episode of Move the Sticks, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks weigh in on Jaguars owner Shahid Khan parting ways with GM Trent Baalke and break down how the team plans to reset the organization. They explain why Ben Johnson is the perfect hire for the Chicago Bears and tell Jets fans what to expect with their hire of Aaron Glenn. Plus, they share why Josh McDaniels will be a good fit for Drake Maye and why the quarterback position may not be what John Spytek will be targeting in his first draft with the Raiders.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you, Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man, It's a lot, DJ, There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We got coaching moves all over, We had a late
general manager dismissal, so many things to talk about ahead
of conference championship weekend, the championship weekend, and before we
can even get to that, we got to talk about
so many people swapping chairs, having great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, we have episode out. I think that was out Tuesday.
I want to say where we went through, you know,
some of the key players in these conracechampionshipames. So if
you're looking for the episode, you thought this is the
one where we're going to, you know, spend a bunch
of time previewing the basically the semi finals of the
NFL coming up. Go back listen to the Tuesday episode.
You'll get all that information. This is more about what's
going on, the changes that are taking place in the
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new direction for franchises, which I was not planning on
starting here, Buck, because I didn't know this was going
to happen until the last twenty four hours. But you're Jags.
We were wondering who the heck the head coach was
going to be, and now it looks like they're looking
for someone else as well.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, DJ, this is such a weird and unique process. Right,
So when you have the regular season and unfortunately they
call it black Monday, right, Black Mondays, the day after
regular season, you see a bunch of coaches dismissed.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Sometimes you see general managers also dismissed.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At that time, the Jaguars made a decision to move
on from Doug Peterson, but they had a press conference
shortly there after. It was shot kind of Trent Balky
where the feel that Trent Balki was going to be
in place as the general manager. All of the language,
Everything that Shad had said is that he felt like
Trend had done a good job. He felt that he
was one of the ones that was guiding him over
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the decision making process. And when pressed on that by
a reporter who said, well, what if a new coach
comes in and doesn't want Balky as the general manager,
but you move on from death and he kind of
the owner kind of was taken aback by that was like,
I mean, I mean maybe but that kind of seems crazy.
I don't want to run basically two processes at the
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same time.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, now, almost a month.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Later, you make a move after maybe there was some
pushback from the hot candidates in terms of whether they
wanted to work with the income and general manager or not.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Con makes the move.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And the thing that you wonder when you make the
move now is Okay, you make the move, but is
there a coaching candidate worthy of giving that kind of
power too? Yeah, and so it's a backwards process. And
what I would say that now that you're in it,
this is an opportunity to completely reset the organization.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So rather than.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Rush to get the coach and everything, why don't you pause, reset,
reflect on what it is that you want the franchise
to be, and then start building the pieces of the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That way, you can't worry about like winning the press
conference or whatever Super Bowls a couple weeks away.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Like take your time and get the thing right because DJ,
I don't know, is this hair coach I had the
gm GM hide the hair coach, whatever it is. I
think it requires you to pause for a minute, kind
of gather all the troops together and lay out a
plan for how you want to process.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, and I think there's a report that came out
that said they've got two in person interviews coming up.
Sala is one of them. I think Patrick Graham, I
want to say, is the other one coming in. But
they made a point that, oh, these are not the
two finalists, that there's more. And it sounds like Joe
Brady's name with the Bills could be someone they'd want
to visit with in person, and then Kellen Moore with
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the Eagles would be another that they'd be interested in
talking to. So to me, I with you. I'm with you, Buck.
I think you you reset, you kind of widen the
search a little bit. Look, the college season's over too,
so if there's you know, a Matt Campbell or somebody
that you're interested in talking to. I know it didn't
go well on the Urban Meyer front, so maybe that
includes them from doing that. But at least I try
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to talk to anybody you can talk to.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Okay, So here's one scenario that every one should consider
and just think about this way. So if you felt
good like so taking shot Cohn's words in terms of
he felt like the process, they felt like they were
good players on the roster in those things.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So now what you have to do when you're doing
your self check, is it the person or the process
that you didn't like.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Was it you didn't necessarily like Trimbalki, but you liked
the process, Because then that puts interim general manager Ethan
Watten play to stay to help you throughout this process
as you find a coach like you liked the process,
but maybe it was toxic at the top based on
the way people felt about the previous general manager.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
So that could also be an option where.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You kind of keep things the same because you liked
the process, but you had to swap out the things
at the top to make it a job that's more
attractive to people. The other part, and this is the
danger that owners can step into, is too often in
the process you hear people say I want an office
or a defensive guy, and ultimately it needs to be
a guy that is ready to be.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
The head coach.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Because while it is great to have an offensive coordinator
who can bring his playbook and that playbook stays consistent
with the quarterback, you have to make sure that if
you go that route one he can handle the nature
of the job or you're hiring him basically as an
offensive coordinator plus and then your job is to make
sure that the staffing allows him to be able to
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grow into the head coaching part of the job. Much
like Sean McVay when he first took over the Rams way,
Fellis was a defensive coordinator. So now you not only
have a defensive coordinator, but you have a defensive coordinator
who has been a head coach, so you can entrust
him to handle that side of the team while you're
locked in on the offense and kind of learning how
to manage the entire thing. I think there are a
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lot of little dominoes that are in play when you're
hiring the head coach, and the scenarios that can run
to make one candidate a better candidate than the other.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
See if this surprises you, because it did surprise me
a little bit. And you're with the Jags so you
see him all the time. I don't want to put
you in a bad spot here, but this, uh, this
person brought up because I said, you know, I wonder
if things would have been different, you know, with Ben Johnson,
had you know, Trent Balchyardy been gone, and would that
have opened up that opportunity there blah blah blah. And
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this this is a coach who said, well, I've talked.
He said he was talking to some other coaches about it,
and they thought, I don't know, you know, you've got
fixes that need to be done for both quarterbacks, and
they felt like Caleb might be an easier fix than Trevor.
And I was like, WHOA, Like that's how that's where
the that's where the at least a perception around the
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league is that like Trevor's somewhat broken, Like Trevor has
to be put back together and fixed, and it's not
something that they think is going to be you know,
snap your fingers, we get some good fancy plays in here,
and then off we go, which kind of took me back,
but you see it every week. I just go back
to what Trevor was coming out. I was there and
beat the Charters in the playoffs and thought his career
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was just on a on a rocket ship. Now I
know he's had injuries and I know that did it
went ball games, but I was like, gosh, darn, I
didn't think Trevor being broken like that. But that's the
perception from some around the league.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, let's be true.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
My job here on the podcast is be fully transparent
and to be really honest about my thoughts on what
I've seen from Trevor and the team In those things,
Trevor Lawrence will be on his third head coach within
five years. Multiple play callers are multiple voices in his head,
multiple systems that he's had to play in. I would
say that for a player who has won his entire
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life high school. Because we did the three sixty on
Trevor Lawrence, we talked to the people around him and
they talked about how he was. Davio Sweeney who we've
talked to, and what we watched at Clemson as he
wont A Natty very early in his career, stepping in
right after Deshaun Washston and taking that team to an
even higher level. To me, I would say that Trevor
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might have lost some of the confidence because the team
has lost a lot. He has had the shoulder probably
more than a young franchise quarterback should shoulder if we're
trying to develop the quarterback the right way. And can
I confidently say that he felt the love and support
of everybody that has been pouring into him. Probably not.
So the first thing that you have to do when
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it comes to helping Trevor play at his best, he
has to know that you're really there for him, that
your relationship is not just transactional, that is transformational because
you really believe in him. Because when I look at
the guys and DJ, some of this has comes from
coaching high school, and some of this comes from knowing
and watching these kids that I've seen at the opening
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when they were seventeen eighteen and watching them grow up
into young men. Sometimes they need the nurturing part of it.
Doesn't mean that they can't be coached hard, but it's
no different than a parent and the kid. They have
to know that you really about them, that you really
care about them, and then they can take the coaching
and going on. So, yeah, when you talk about broken, yes,
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you've got to prepare his confidence on top of like
working on some mechanical flaws. But I think if the
coach that comes in there in day one, he tells Trevor,
you're my guy. I'm gonna do everything in my power
as I'm building this team to make sure that I
do right by you. But in turn, here's what I
need from you. Leadership, work, ethic, toughness, all that which
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he already has. If you can create that relationship, you'll
see the best Trevor that you can see. Because I
love the kid, I love the guy that he is.
I think he has to have someone that pours into
him and challenges him to point to the team and
give back to the coaches the same way.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, I think that's gonna be an interesting point of
who they can go out and find who can hopefully,
and let's be real, it's hard to have a chance
when you don't have any stability. So let's hope that
they get it right. Not only because I want Bucky
to watch good football weekend and week out he's on
the broadcast, but I want it for Trevor. I want
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some continuity there to see what he can do.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
The parallel that.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I was making is Trevor Lawrence reminds me of what
Jared Golf was when he first stepped into Detroit. I
think it's a very similar project. I think the same
things that have Jery Golf get up and going would
be the same things that we had Trevor Lawrence get going.
So it's not only the coaching, is the construction of
the team. When you're looking with Jerry Golf benefit offensive line,
run game, dynamic weapons around him. And much like Jared,
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Jared can be vocal or whatever, and Jarrett Trevor can
be vocal, but that's not their normalm.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's not his nature.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You need to surround them with guys who already have
the dog in them. So it's less about him getting
them ready. It's more about him matching their competitive energy.
If you have that, then you have a lot of success.
But I think it's very similar to the Jerry Golf
project when Jared arrived in Detroit years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, well, it's a big challenge ahead of the Jags
right now. Get this thing right and there are some
good pieces there on that roster, and see if they
get the thing up and running. Let's get to a
couple of hires here. We mentioned him there just for
a second. Ben Johnson going to the Bears. I thought
it's a great I mean, I have press conferences, it
doesn't matter. I've seen guys win, win and lose. Press
conferences really don't have anything to do with whether you're
gonna be successful or not. But I liked what I heard,
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and specifically I like the fact that he talked about
this is not my offense from Detroit, and we just
dropped the playbook off for these players. We take this
thing down to the studs, you know, want to study
our quarterback, what he likes, what he doesn't like, and
we're going to build both the playbook and the roster
around him. And I thought that was pretty smart. That
shows a humility and not the arrogance of this is
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what these are magic plays. I'm just going to drop
him in here and we'll go win games.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
One size doesn't fit all when it comes to quarterbacks,
and really when it comes to a team, just because
you had success one way in Detroit doesn't mean that
you can replicate that success in Chicago. You have to
look at what you have, meaning you have to do
a deep dive on the roster that you inherit. You
have to look at what you could potentially act quickly,
and then you have to build it out with a
quarterback in mind. That's one thing that I learned from
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coach Hombren during my time with him in Green Bay
as a player, but also working with him in Seattle.
It is about the quarterback and it's about meeting the
quarterback where he's at, but pushing him to get to
where you want him to go. And with Ben Johnson
coming over, I would say the thing that impressed me
the most was when he stepped into the building and
he talked to everyone in the building and he challenged
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everybody that the culture is about serving the players. How
can we best serve the players? And then it was
about building the culture of the team. We can talk
about the fancy x's and o's, but we know if
you listen to the conversation coming out of Chicago after
the dismissal, they talked about needing, discipline, structure, culture, all.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Of those things.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Before we can even think about the xes and o's.
You got to get the right Jimmies and Joe's, and
then you got to put them in the right environment
for them to be at their best when it's time
to take the field.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I'm just I'm looking at the free agents for the
Lions because we've talked about it with dan Quinn, right.
You know, dan Quinn took guys he was familiar with
and guys that fit, and so I'm looking through there.
First of all, Teddy Bridgewater in a backup capacity, someone
who could love it right. The offense would be an
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interesting one. Marcus Davenport was hurt Carlton Davis, you know,
on the other side of the ball, So that doesn't
really relate as much. Going through the rest of these guys.
Here a lot of defensive players for the Lions that
are up. Tim Patrick on offense is a potential someone
Dan Skippers up. Let's see who else we got here? Oh,
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here you go, this is the one. Kevin Zeitler. Oh yeah,
Kevin Zeitler is a need for the Bears at guard
come in and give them an immediate upgrade. He knows
the system and he can spread the gospel. He can
spread the Ben Johnson gospel. So if I was going
to make one prediction off free agency, off of one higher,
I would say, Kevin Zeitler to the Bears, and you
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weaken a team in the division.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
On top of that, yeah, and I think some of
those defensive players depending on who he hires as his coordinator.
Remember they talked about Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen who was
the defensive who's the defensive back coach? And the Dennis
Allen in New Orleans for a long time. Aaron Glenn
College teammates. So if you want some of the you
can have some of the secret sauce by bringing some
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of those Detroit players. If Dennis Allen is installed, as
you're coordinated, there will be some similarities in carryovers that work.
But yeah, I look, I think in Chicago, and he
talked about it being a sleeping giant, I think the
number one thing that Chicago Bears have to do is
they have to figure out who are they in terms
of their identity and how it relates to this division.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
This division is.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Tough Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. There's a certain way that
you have to play to be able to knock off
your division rivals.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Bringing over some cultural enhancers, guys that know the culture
and want to do it, I think you certainly can
benefit from that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
In Chicago.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean, look, just right right out of the gate,
they've just made to hire all the different guys that
they had available to them. I thought, and we'll see
how it goes, but I thought this was the perfect
hire for them. Man, for a multitude of reasons. I
just think this is going to give you, you know what
it's going to give. It's going to give you a
chance to evaluate Caleb, and Caleb did some great things
last year and I still one thousand percent believe in
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Caleb's ability, but he needs he needs to be coached.
He needs to be coached hard, which I believe Caleb
even said yeah and Craves that he's gonna need that
because he's got to clean up some stuff and then
he needs somebody to continuity wise so they can grow together.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And I will say this like people don't get it
twisted when you look at Ben Johnson with the play card.
I have heard that when it comes to the quarterback,
he coaches them hard. And that is going to be
really important that the guy who's the quarterback coach is
a buffer between him and Caleb at times because he
is going to demand that Caleb is precise and consistent
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in all of the things that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Are really important about quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But I also love this because as much as people
talk about Ben Johnson and the other stuff, right, normally
when we talk about play callers in those things, it's
always about the passing game. I think it's his understanding
of the running game and the need to run the
football and how it opens up thing for the quarterback
in the passing game. To me, that's really where the
secret sauce is. Canda Bears establish a physical presence on
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the ground with a dynamic running game that makes the
game easy for Caleb when it comes to throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
All those things work in the place.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But yeah, and Johnson's going to coach Caleb hard, and
so you just have to understand that when you're Caleb
that he's going to challenge you so you can grow
and become the player that many envision you becoming.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Chicago picks ten in the draft. They also have an
extra second rounder from Carolina, so they picked ten, thirty nine,
forty one seventy two, So four picks in the top
seventy two. And as you know, next week we will
start I've got a mock draft coming out this weekend
or Monday, and then I just coming out next week,
so we'll start getting into the draft class and that'll
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be a heavy portion of the pod as we transition
to spring here. But I think, what early, look at
this thing. You want to go get some interior offensive
line help, you can find it. You want some some
edge rush defense to add to what you already have. Bam,
it's out there, So uh, you want to get a
running back with some big time juice to compliment you know,
DeAndre Swift. You want to throw back? There got you like,
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there's there's there's ways to help this team. So I'm
I'm excited. I'm excited about for this transition when we
start getting into the draft stuff a little bit more.
But before we go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, think I think you're onto something in terms of
the dynamic running back. I think his experience coming from
Detroit with the two running back system, I think you
definitely want to kind of carry that over when you
get on Henderson.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Sorry, maybe maybe yeah something. Anyways, let's take a quick break.
We have we have a couple more moves we need
to talk about. We'll do that right for this, all right, Buck,
we talked about this. You know, he was going to
get a job, and we were excited for it because
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we both felt like he was ready. Someone you've known
for a long time, someone I've respected from Afar. I
love the Jets hire Aaron glenn Man.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, so ag getting the gig and so not only
are we classmates in terms of the draft, but we've
done so many different things together. So watching him grow
not only as a player, but then watching him grow
as a coach.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We had a chance to coach together at the opening
years ago, and I can tell you right now the
things that you've seen on Aaron Glenn and Aardox, that's
who he is man. He coaches hard, he is not
afraid of confrontation. He understands the importance of culture. But
here's what I will say about Aaron and ag why
I'm really optimistic about it working. If you know his
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story about how he got into the business after playing
very successful made a lot of money playing as successful
business ventures outside of it, but he started at the
bottom DJ when it came to it, started as a
scout dis some scouting on the road, made his way
as an assistant dB coached and a dB coach before
becoming a coordinator in those things. And he was very
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intentional about the way that he went about it because
he wanted to learn all aspects of the process in
the organization. Now he has an opportunity to be a
head coach. Remember Aaron Glenn played for Bill par Sales
in New York. He has an edginess to him that
is very reminiscent of what Bill par Sales brought to
the Jets when he quickly flipped him from being a
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one to fifteen team to a team that made.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It to the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Just like Dan Campbell also worked up in the Bill
par Sales, there's wanted to be an edginess to this
team because it's going to be built in a blue
collar fashion. And yeah, they got to find a quarterback
and all that, but at least he inherits a defense
that has some pieces where you can win on one
side of the ball. You have some intriguing weapons on
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offense that you can build around Breesaw, Garrett Wilson, some
of the other young guys that you've added to the
offensive line. To me, the Jets need a strong identity
and they need a strong coach that's gonna stick to identity.
So I think there's a lot that he can bring
as a first time hey coach in New York.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I just I think the toughness and the tenacity that
you you hit on it. And look, they got to
try and get the quarterback things squared away, but this
roster and everybody knows, you know, my relationship with Joe
Douglas and it didn't work out there. They didn't win
enough games, and Joe would Joe would admit that there's
a lot of talent on that roster. They have a
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lot of pieces in place, and I think getting kind
of the right leader there with Aaron Glenn, if he
can get the right the right staff, and they can
just have a good offseason and you know, a good
offseason Buck and they have enough. They have enough to
win ten games. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But I think, but I think the New York just
need to embrace who they are. Like we talked about, uh,
the team being reflective of the city. Look, the Jets
have to get out of this business of feeling like
they have to be this high flying, explosive offense. They
need to be a gritty, blue collar team. They need
to embrace the city. They need to be a team
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that when they've been at their best, that's the kind
of teams that they've had, physical, rough, rugged, tough, all
of those things. And I'm not saying that there has
to be a throwback team that we saw play in
the eighties, but they need to embody some of the
toughness that you see in Western New York with the
Buffalo Bills, because for all the things that we get
excited about the offense of the Buffalo Bills. When you
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really break them down, they are a reflection of the
city of Buffalo and Sean McDermott. They are a blue
collar team and you're gonna have to outwork them and
outlast them to beat them. The Jets are going to
have to do the same thing, and the pieces are
in place there, and I think with Aaron coming over
from Detroit and seeing how they did it in Detroit,
I think the blueprint is very familiar. Also know this,
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Dan Campbell played in Detroit, so it was really special
to him to rebuild Detroit. Yeah, Aaron Glenn being drafted
and playing in New York, it will be very personal
to him to make sure that he gets this team
up and going.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
A couple more things here. Josh McDaniel is going to
be the O C, which I like that familiar to there.
With Mike Vrabel, I think I think he'll I think
he'll marry well with Drake may So. I like that hire.
I think there's continuity in uh in in the relationship
between the head coach and the coordinator. I'm all for
that and making a consistent messaging all that stuff. They
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believe the same things. I like that move. And then
the one I want to get to you on is
spy Tech. So John spy Tech guy we've known forever
who's really really good in personnel and has been around
some great organizations including UH, you know, winning a super
Bowl in Denver and then spending a bunch of time
in Tampa winning a super Bowl there, but also had
spent time in Philly. He's been in Cleveland, He's been around,
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but I wanted to go to UH. And this is
with Jason Light and spy Tech both having spent time
in Philadelphia a part of their journey.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
UH.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know Jason's you know, got super bowls from from
New England as well, and was a part of a
you know, a great group there in UH in Arizona.
But the the foundational of UH like core beliefs here
with with spy Tech, I was looking through the draft,
so think about Philly. What does Philly do every year?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Bucker line?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So I was like, you know what, Well, let's see Tampa.
Let's go through Tampa's last first round picks. Twenty four
Ramparton center, Elijah Kntsey de tackle Pittsburgh, Logan Hall De
tackle Houston, Joe Tryon, Shoenka now defense and then Washington
Tristan Wurf's tackle Iowa like every single year, not hard.
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Hard Man talked about it hard.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You invest in the line of scrimmage, it always gives
you an opportunity to.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Win, and win at the highest level.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You want to beat people up at the line of scrimmage,
and even when you're great, because let's be honest, like
Tampa wasn't a great team because they had a lot
of injuries, but because they could dominate the line of
screamers DJ to win a division, they go to the playoffs,
I mean, and they represent themselves very well. And in
this league that is super competitive and parody is really paramount.
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You just want to have an opportunity to get to
ten every year, and that's what you're able to do
when you invest in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
This feels like to me. And think about also Tampa
finding that interm you know, quote unquote bridge quarterback. They
hit a home run on with Baker who ended up
being more than a bridge quarterback. Spy tech going with
Tom Brady in with the Raiders and where they're picking
in the draft, they're not going to reach for a quarterback. Buck,
they're going to take an offensive lineman or a defensive
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lineman in the first round, and then they're gonna turn
around and they're gonna ask Tom Brady to do his
homework on all these middle tier quarterbacks. Whether that's Kyle McCord,
whether that's Will Howard, whether that's Jackson Dart, whatever your
flavor is. But that's a great assignment for Tom Brady
as you're you know your new part owner is the
greatest quarterback of all time. Tom, can you find us
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one on Day two? Find us a quarterback that we
can just rock with for the next couple of years
until we can get the guy that we ultimately love.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And so and and we say this every year, but
I really want people to if you're a Raiders fan
and you opt in for that approach, I think it
requires a long range thought process for the fan base
to not get overly excited or not get too.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
High or too low.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
If the mid range quarterback that you're leaning on doesn't
give you franchise quality play right away, it could be.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
A veteran too. That's why I'm getting too too. It
could be a better veteran.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
So as you're building this out. We've seen it. Man,
it's more important to get the team right. So, as
we've talked about, you can drop the quarterback in because
the franchise quarterback isn't then every year the franchise quarterback
is not going to be available in the draft through
free agency. So you got to figure out a way
to build your team. And the best way to build
your team is to take the assets available to get
you enough blue chip player so you can win the game.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, no, it's I just think, man, you can't go wrong.
Like if you just if you just keep building up
the line of scrimmage, building up the line of scrimmage,
it's like a field of dreams, right if you build it,
you know what I mean, Just build that up, build
that up, and then you're gonna it. Ditch buys you
time to find that right guy, Don't force it. That's
gonna be what this draft is about to me at
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the quarterback position is who's going to force it? Who's
gonna try and force somebody a little higher than they
should and who's going to be patient? Say you know what,
we're gonna try and build this thing up and then
we're just gonna go boop drop him in right after
it's all built.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Oh, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I mean, that's that's so much of it, Like the
importance of being able to get the right guys and
make sure that you build the team the right way.
And as you talk about Spot taking his experience building
in Tampa line of scrimmage, there are a lot of
line of scrimmage guys that you can lean on in
this draft. So win it out one on the front
line and to give you a chance to come out
of the draft with some people that can help you
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right away.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yep, it's gonna be fun. Good for him too. He's
he's worked for a long time. He's a good dude,
very well respected. So excited for him. Excited to see
who the Jets are going to hire is their general manager.
Excited to see the Jags are going to hire as
their GM. So, uh, you know, it's a Bargonzi got
the GM job. I don't know if we congratulated him yet, congratulate.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
About Yeah, Yeah, that's great for him.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Who's been who's been at it for a long time
and has I always feel like, you know, we say
all these guys are respected, and people say you say
that about everybody. Well, yeah, because it's hard. It's hard
to stay in this thing for a long time and
work your way up and wait your turn, and uh
and good for them. Always excited for guys to get
that chair.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Look, man, eighteen years is a long time to play
your trade, and so is the patience and the persistence
to keep doing it and working, uh, doing the best
job that you can do in the role and responsibility
that you have until someone gives you an opportunity to
do more.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So congrats to him. Can't wait to see what it
looks like. Yeah, No, excited for him. All right, Well,
this is fun. We got a chance to jump into
some of the changes that have taken place, and more
changes coming. We'll have those for you. And and we're
getting ready to shift off into draft gear into and
it's gonna be full speed ahead buck as we as
we go into the offseason, I will say, man, if
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you need a defensive tackle, defensive end, you need a
running back, you need a tight end, you're gonna love
this draft. Man.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So it's so funny. We always talk about the league
coming full circle. We're back to the line of scrimmage players,
We're back to old school football. Being in play, and
some teams are gonna have to like take advantage of
those players that are available until they can find some
of the marquee pieces that you definitely want down the lock.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yep for sure. All Right, that's gonna do it for
us today. We appreciate you guys hanging with us. We
will see you next time right here on movie sticks.
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you, Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Man, It's a lot, DJ, There's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We got coaching moves all over, We had a late
general manager dismissal, so many things to talk about ahead
of conference championship weekend, the championship weekend, and before we
can even get to that, we got to talk about
so many people swapping chairs, having great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, we have episode out. I think that was out Tuesday.
I want to say where we went through, you know,
some of the key players in these conracechampionshipames. So if
you're looking for the episode, you thought this is the
one where we're going to, you know, spend a bunch
of time previewing the basically the semi finals of the
NFL coming up. Go back listen to the Tuesday episode.
You'll get all that information. This is more about what's
going on, the changes that are taking place in the
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new direction for franchises, which I was not planning on
starting here, Buck, because I didn't know this was going
to happen until the last twenty four hours. But you're Jags.
We were wondering who the heck the head coach was
going to be, and now it looks like they're looking
for someone else as well.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, DJ, this is such a weird and unique process. Right,
So when you have the regular season and unfortunately they
call it black Monday, right, Black Mondays, the day after
regular season, you see a bunch of coaches dismissed.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Sometimes you see general managers also dismissed.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At that time, the Jaguars made a decision to move
on from Doug Peterson, but they had a press conference
shortly there after. It was shot kind of Trent Balky
where the feel that Trent Balki was going to be
in place as the general manager. All of the language,
Everything that Shad had said is that he felt like
Trend had done a good job. He felt that he
was one of the ones that was guiding him over
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the decision making process. And when pressed on that by
a reporter who said, well, what if a new coach
comes in and doesn't want Balky as the general manager,
but you move on from death and he kind of
the owner kind of was taken aback by that was like,
I mean, I mean maybe but that kind of seems crazy.
I don't want to run basically two processes at the
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same time.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, now, almost a month.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Later, you make a move after maybe there was some
pushback from the hot candidates in terms of whether they
wanted to work with the income and general manager or not.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Con makes the move.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And the thing that you wonder when you make the
move now is Okay, you make the move, but is
there a coaching candidate worthy of giving that kind of
power too? Yeah, and so it's a backwards process. And
what I would say that now that you're in it,
this is an opportunity to completely reset the organization.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
So rather than.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Rush to get the coach and everything, why don't you pause, reset,
reflect on what it is that you want the franchise
to be, and then start building the pieces of the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
That way, you can't worry about like winning the press
conference or whatever Super Bowls a couple weeks away.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Like take your time and get the thing right because DJ,
I don't know, is this hair coach I had the
gm GM hide the hair coach, whatever it is. I
think it requires you to pause for a minute, kind
of gather all the troops together and lay out a
plan for how you want to process.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, and I think there's a report that came out
that said they've got two in person interviews coming up.
Sala is one of them. I think Patrick Graham, I
want to say, is the other one coming in. But
they made a point that, oh, these are not the
two finalists, that there's more. And it sounds like Joe
Brady's name with the Bills could be someone they'd want
to visit with in person, and then Kellen Moore with
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the Eagles would be another that they'd be interested in
talking to. So to me, I with you. I'm with you, Buck.
I think you you reset, you kind of widen the
search a little bit. Look, the college season's over too,
so if there's you know, a Matt Campbell or somebody
that you're interested in talking to. I know it didn't
go well on the Urban Meyer front, so maybe that
includes them from doing that. But at least I try
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to talk to anybody you can talk to.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Okay, So here's one scenario that every one should consider
and just think about this way. So if you felt
good like so taking shot Cohn's words in terms of
he felt like the process, they felt like they were
good players on the roster in those things.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
So now what you have to do when you're doing
your self check, is it the person or the process
that you didn't like.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Was it you didn't necessarily like Trimbalki, but you liked
the process, Because then that puts interim general manager Ethan
Watten play to stay to help you throughout this process
as you find a coach like you liked the process,
but maybe it was toxic at the top based on
the way people felt about the previous general manager.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
So that could also be an option where.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You kind of keep things the same because you liked
the process, but you had to swap out the things
at the top to make it a job that's more
attractive to people. The other part, and this is the
danger that owners can step into, is too often in
the process you hear people say I want an office
or a defensive guy, and ultimately it needs to be
a guy that is ready to be.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
The head coach.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Because while it is great to have an offensive coordinator
who can bring his playbook and that playbook stays consistent
with the quarterback, you have to make sure that if
you go that route one he can handle the nature
of the job or you're hiring him basically as an
offensive coordinator plus and then your job is to make
sure that the staffing allows him to be able to
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grow into the head coaching part of the job. Much
like Sean McVay when he first took over the Rams way,
Fellis was a defensive coordinator. So now you not only
have a defensive coordinator, but you have a defensive coordinator
who has been a head coach, so you can entrust
him to handle that side of the team while you're
locked in on the offense and kind of learning how
to manage the entire thing. I think there are a
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lot of little dominoes that are in play when you're
hiring the head coach, and the scenarios that can run
to make one candidate a better candidate than the other.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
See if this surprises you, because it did surprise me
a little bit. And you're with the Jags so you
see him all the time. I don't want to put
you in a bad spot here, but this, uh, this
person brought up because I said, you know, I wonder
if things would have been different, you know, with Ben Johnson,
had you know, Trent Balchyardy been gone, and would that
have opened up that opportunity there blah blah blah. And
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this this is a coach who said, well, I've talked.
He said he was talking to some other coaches about it,
and they thought, I don't know, you know, you've got
fixes that need to be done for both quarterbacks, and
they felt like Caleb might be an easier fix than Trevor.
And I was like, WHOA, Like that's how that's where
the that's where the at least a perception around the
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league is that like Trevor's somewhat broken, Like Trevor has
to be put back together and fixed, and it's not
something that they think is going to be you know,
snap your fingers, we get some good fancy plays in here,
and then off we go, which kind of took me back,
but you see it every week. I just go back
to what Trevor was coming out. I was there and
beat the Charters in the playoffs and thought his career
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was just on a on a rocket ship. Now I
know he's had injuries and I know that did it
went ball games, but I was like, gosh, darn, I
didn't think Trevor being broken like that. But that's the
perception from some around the league.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, let's be true.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
My job here on the podcast is be fully transparent
and to be really honest about my thoughts on what
I've seen from Trevor and the team In those things,
Trevor Lawrence will be on his third head coach within
five years. Multiple play callers are multiple voices in his head,
multiple systems that he's had to play in. I would
say that for a player who has won his entire
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life high school. Because we did the three sixty on
Trevor Lawrence, we talked to the people around him and
they talked about how he was. Davio Sweeney who we've
talked to, and what we watched at Clemson as he
wont A Natty very early in his career, stepping in
right after Deshaun Washston and taking that team to an
even higher level. To me, I would say that Trevor
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might have lost some of the confidence because the team
has lost a lot. He has had the shoulder probably
more than a young franchise quarterback should shoulder if we're
trying to develop the quarterback the right way. And can
I confidently say that he felt the love and support
of everybody that has been pouring into him. Probably not.
So the first thing that you have to do when
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it comes to helping Trevor play at his best, he
has to know that you're really there for him, that
your relationship is not just transactional, that is transformational because
you really believe in him. Because when I look at
the guys and DJ, some of this has comes from
coaching high school, and some of this comes from knowing
and watching these kids that I've seen at the opening
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when they were seventeen eighteen and watching them grow up
into young men. Sometimes they need the nurturing part of it.
Doesn't mean that they can't be coached hard, but it's
no different than a parent and the kid. They have
to know that you really about them, that you really
care about them, and then they can take the coaching
and going on. So, yeah, when you talk about broken, yes,
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you've got to prepare his confidence on top of like
working on some mechanical flaws. But I think if the
coach that comes in there in day one, he tells Trevor,
you're my guy. I'm gonna do everything in my power
as I'm building this team to make sure that I
do right by you. But in turn, here's what I
need from you. Leadership, work, ethic, toughness, all that which
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he already has. If you can create that relationship, you'll
see the best Trevor that you can see. Because I
love the kid, I love the guy that he is.
I think he has to have someone that pours into
him and challenges him to point to the team and
give back to the coaches the same way.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, I think that's gonna be an interesting point of
who they can go out and find who can hopefully,
and let's be real, it's hard to have a chance
when you don't have any stability. So let's hope that
they get it right. Not only because I want Bucky
to watch good football weekend and week out he's on
the broadcast, but I want it for Trevor. I want
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some continuity there to see what he can do.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
The parallel that.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I was making is Trevor Lawrence reminds me of what
Jared Golf was when he first stepped into Detroit. I
think it's a very similar project. I think the same
things that have Jery Golf get up and going would
be the same things that we had Trevor Lawrence get going.
So it's not only the coaching, is the construction of
the team. When you're looking with Jerry Golf benefit offensive line,
run game, dynamic weapons around him. And much like Jared,
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Jared can be vocal or whatever, and Jarrett Trevor can
be vocal, but that's not their normalm.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
That's not his nature.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You need to surround them with guys who already have
the dog in them. So it's less about him getting
them ready. It's more about him matching their competitive energy.
If you have that, then you have a lot of success.
But I think it's very similar to the Jerry Golf
project when Jared arrived in Detroit years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, well, it's a big challenge ahead of the Jags
right now. Get this thing right and there are some
good pieces there on that roster, and see if they
get the thing up and running. Let's get to a
couple of hires here. We mentioned him there just for
a second. Ben Johnson going to the Bears. I thought
it's a great I mean, I have press conferences, it
doesn't matter. I've seen guys win, win and lose. Press
conferences really don't have anything to do with whether you're
gonna be successful or not. But I liked what I heard,
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and specifically I like the fact that he talked about
this is not my offense from Detroit, and we just
dropped the playbook off for these players. We take this
thing down to the studs, you know, want to study
our quarterback, what he likes, what he doesn't like, and
we're going to build both the playbook and the roster
around him. And I thought that was pretty smart. That
shows a humility and not the arrogance of this is
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what these are magic plays. I'm just going to drop
him in here and we'll go win games.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
One size doesn't fit all when it comes to quarterbacks,
and really when it comes to a team, just because
you had success one way in Detroit doesn't mean that
you can replicate that success in Chicago. You have to
look at what you have, meaning you have to do
a deep dive on the roster that you inherit. You
have to look at what you could potentially act quickly,
and then you have to build it out with a
quarterback in mind. That's one thing that I learned from
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coach Hombren during my time with him in Green Bay
as a player, but also working with him in Seattle.
It is about the quarterback and it's about meeting the
quarterback where he's at, but pushing him to get to
where you want him to go. And with Ben Johnson
coming over, I would say the thing that impressed me
the most was when he stepped into the building and
he talked to everyone in the building and he challenged
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everybody that the culture is about serving the players. How
can we best serve the players? And then it was
about building the culture of the team. We can talk
about the fancy x's and o's, but we know if
you listen to the conversation coming out of Chicago after
the dismissal, they talked about needing, discipline, structure, culture, all.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Of those things.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Before we can even think about the xes and o's.
You got to get the right Jimmies and Joe's, and
then you got to put them in the right environment
for them to be at their best when it's time
to take the field.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
I'm just I'm looking at the free agents for the
Lions because we've talked about it with dan Quinn, right.
You know, dan Quinn took guys he was familiar with
and guys that fit, and so I'm looking through there.
First of all, Teddy Bridgewater in a backup capacity, someone
who could love it right. The offense would be an
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interesting one. Marcus Davenport was hurt Carlton Davis, you know,
on the other side of the ball, So that doesn't
really relate as much. Going through the rest of these guys.
Here a lot of defensive players for the Lions that
are up. Tim Patrick on offense is a potential someone
Dan Skippers up. Let's see who else we got here? Oh,
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here you go, this is the one. Kevin Zeitler. Oh yeah,
Kevin Zeitler is a need for the Bears at guard
come in and give them an immediate upgrade. He knows
the system and he can spread the gospel. He can
spread the Ben Johnson gospel. So if I was going
to make one prediction off free agency, off of one higher,
I would say, Kevin Zeitler to the Bears, and you
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weaken a team in the division.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
On top of that, yeah, and I think some of
those defensive players depending on who he hires as his coordinator.
Remember they talked about Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen who was
the defensive who's the defensive back coach? And the Dennis
Allen in New Orleans for a long time. Aaron Glenn
College teammates. So if you want some of the you
can have some of the secret sauce by bringing some
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of those Detroit players. If Dennis Allen is installed, as
you're coordinated, there will be some similarities in carryovers that work.
But yeah, I look, I think in Chicago, and he
talked about it being a sleeping giant, I think the
number one thing that Chicago Bears have to do is
they have to figure out who are they in terms
of their identity and how it relates to this division.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
This division is.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Tough Detroit, Minnesota, Green Bay. There's a certain way that
you have to play to be able to knock off
your division rivals.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
But yeah, I think.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Bringing over some cultural enhancers, guys that know the culture
and want to do it, I think you certainly can
benefit from that.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
In Chicago.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean, look, just right right out of the gate,
they've just made to hire all the different guys that
they had available to them. I thought, and we'll see
how it goes, but I thought this was the perfect
hire for them. Man, for a multitude of reasons. I
just think this is going to give you, you know what
it's going to give. It's going to give you a
chance to evaluate Caleb, and Caleb did some great things
last year and I still one thousand percent believe in
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Caleb's ability, but he needs he needs to be coached.
He needs to be coached hard, which I believe Caleb
even said yeah and Craves that he's gonna need that
because he's got to clean up some stuff and then
he needs somebody to continuity wise so they can grow together.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
And I will say this like people don't get it
twisted when you look at Ben Johnson with the play card.
I have heard that when it comes to the quarterback,
he coaches them hard. And that is going to be
really important that the guy who's the quarterback coach is
a buffer between him and Caleb at times because he
is going to demand that Caleb is precise and consistent
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in all of the things that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Are really important about quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
But I also love this because as much as people
talk about Ben Johnson and the other stuff, right, normally
when we talk about play callers in those things, it's
always about the passing game. I think it's his understanding
of the running game and the need to run the
football and how it opens up thing for the quarterback
in the passing game. To me, that's really where the
secret sauce is. Canda Bears establish a physical presence on
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the ground with a dynamic running game that makes the
game easy for Caleb when it comes to throwing the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
All those things work in the place.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
But yeah, and Johnson's going to coach Caleb hard, and
so you just have to understand that when you're Caleb
that he's going to challenge you so you can grow
and become the player that many envision you becoming.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Chicago picks ten in the draft. They also have an
extra second rounder from Carolina, so they picked ten, thirty nine,
forty one seventy two, So four picks in the top
seventy two. And as you know, next week we will
start I've got a mock draft coming out this weekend
or Monday, and then I just coming out next week,
so we'll start getting into the draft class and that'll
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be a heavy portion of the pod as we transition
to spring here. But I think, what early, look at
this thing. You want to go get some interior offensive
line help, you can find it. You want some some
edge rush defense to add to what you already have. Bam,
it's out there, So uh, you want to get a
running back with some big time juice to compliment you know,
DeAndre Swift. You want to throw back? There got you like,
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there's there's there's ways to help this team. So I'm
I'm excited. I'm excited about for this transition when we
start getting into the draft stuff a little bit more.
But before we go ahead.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
No, think I think you're onto something in terms of
the dynamic running back. I think his experience coming from
Detroit with the two running back system, I think you
definitely want to kind of carry that over when you
get on Henderson.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Sorry, maybe maybe yeah something. Anyways, let's take a quick break.
We have we have a couple more moves we need
to talk about. We'll do that right for this, all right, Buck,
we talked about this. You know, he was going to
get a job, and we were excited for it because
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we both felt like he was ready. Someone you've known
for a long time, someone I've respected from Afar. I
love the Jets hire Aaron glenn Man.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yeah, so ag getting the gig and so not only
are we classmates in terms of the draft, but we've
done so many different things together. So watching him grow
not only as a player, but then watching him grow
as a coach.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We had a chance to coach together at the opening
years ago, and I can tell you right now the
things that you've seen on Aaron Glenn and Aardox, that's
who he is man. He coaches hard, he is not
afraid of confrontation. He understands the importance of culture. But
here's what I will say about Aaron and ag why
I'm really optimistic about it working. If you know his
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story about how he got into the business after playing
very successful made a lot of money playing as successful
business ventures outside of it, but he started at the
bottom DJ when it came to it, started as a
scout dis some scouting on the road, made his way
as an assistant dB coached and a dB coach before
becoming a coordinator in those things. And he was very
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intentional about the way that he went about it because
he wanted to learn all aspects of the process in
the organization. Now he has an opportunity to be a
head coach. Remember Aaron Glenn played for Bill par Sales
in New York. He has an edginess to him that
is very reminiscent of what Bill par Sales brought to
the Jets when he quickly flipped him from being a
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one to fifteen team to a team that made.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
It to the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Just like Dan Campbell also worked up in the Bill
par Sales, there's wanted to be an edginess to this
team because it's going to be built in a blue
collar fashion. And yeah, they got to find a quarterback
and all that, but at least he inherits a defense
that has some pieces where you can win on one
side of the ball. You have some intriguing weapons on
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offense that you can build around Breesaw, Garrett Wilson, some
of the other young guys that you've added to the
offensive line. To me, the Jets need a strong identity
and they need a strong coach that's gonna stick to identity.
So I think there's a lot that he can bring
as a first time hey coach in New York.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I just I think the toughness and the tenacity that
you you hit on it. And look, they got to
try and get the quarterback things squared away, but this
roster and everybody knows, you know, my relationship with Joe
Douglas and it didn't work out there. They didn't win
enough games, and Joe would Joe would admit that there's
a lot of talent on that roster. They have a
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lot of pieces in place, and I think getting kind
of the right leader there with Aaron Glenn, if he
can get the right the right staff, and they can
just have a good offseason and you know, a good
offseason Buck and they have enough. They have enough to
win ten games. Man.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
But I think, but I think the New York just
need to embrace who they are. Like we talked about, uh,
the team being reflective of the city. Look, the Jets
have to get out of this business of feeling like
they have to be this high flying, explosive offense. They
need to be a gritty, blue collar team. They need
to embrace the city. They need to be a team
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that when they've been at their best, that's the kind
of teams that they've had, physical, rough, rugged, tough, all
of those things. And I'm not saying that there has
to be a throwback team that we saw play in
the eighties, but they need to embody some of the
toughness that you see in Western New York with the
Buffalo Bills, because for all the things that we get
excited about the offense of the Buffalo Bills. When you
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really break them down, they are a reflection of the
city of Buffalo and Sean McDermott. They are a blue
collar team and you're gonna have to outwork them and
outlast them to beat them. The Jets are going to
have to do the same thing, and the pieces are
in place there, and I think with Aaron coming over
from Detroit and seeing how they did it in Detroit,
I think the blueprint is very familiar. Also know this,
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Dan Campbell played in Detroit, so it was really special
to him to rebuild Detroit. Yeah, Aaron Glenn being drafted
and playing in New York, it will be very personal
to him to make sure that he gets this team
up and going.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
A couple more things here. Josh McDaniel is going to
be the O C, which I like that familiar to there.
With Mike Vrabel, I think I think he'll I think
he'll marry well with Drake may So. I like that hire.
I think there's continuity in uh in in the relationship
between the head coach and the coordinator. I'm all for
that and making a consistent messaging all that stuff. They
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believe the same things. I like that move. And then
the one I want to get to you on is
spy Tech. So John spy Tech guy we've known forever
who's really really good in personnel and has been around
some great organizations including UH, you know, winning a super
Bowl in Denver and then spending a bunch of time
in Tampa winning a super Bowl there, but also had
spent time in Philly. He's been in Cleveland, He's been around,
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but I wanted to go to UH. And this is
with Jason Light and spy Tech both having spent time
in Philadelphia a part of their journey.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
UH.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You know Jason's you know, got super bowls from from
New England as well, and was a part of a
you know, a great group there in UH in Arizona.
But the the foundational of UH like core beliefs here
with with spy Tech, I was looking through the draft,
so think about Philly. What does Philly do every year?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Bucker line?
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So I was like, you know what, Well, let's see Tampa.
Let's go through Tampa's last first round picks. Twenty four
Ramparton center, Elijah Kntsey de tackle Pittsburgh, Logan Hall De
tackle Houston, Joe Tryon, Shoenka now defense and then Washington
Tristan Wurf's tackle Iowa like every single year, not hard.
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Hard Man talked about it hard.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
You invest in the line of scrimmage, it always gives
you an opportunity to.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Win, and win at the highest level.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You want to beat people up at the line of scrimmage,
and even when you're great, because let's be honest, like
Tampa wasn't a great team because they had a lot
of injuries, but because they could dominate the line of
screamers DJ to win a division, they go to the playoffs,
I mean, and they represent themselves very well. And in
this league that is super competitive and parody is really paramount.
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You just want to have an opportunity to get to
ten every year, and that's what you're able to do
when you invest in the trenches.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
This feels like to me. And think about also Tampa
finding that interm you know, quote unquote bridge quarterback. They
hit a home run on with Baker who ended up
being more than a bridge quarterback. Spy tech going with
Tom Brady in with the Raiders and where they're picking
in the draft, they're not going to reach for a quarterback. Buck,
they're going to take an offensive lineman or a defensive
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lineman in the first round, and then they're gonna turn
around and they're gonna ask Tom Brady to do his
homework on all these middle tier quarterbacks. Whether that's Kyle McCord,
whether that's Will Howard, whether that's Jackson Dart, whatever your
flavor is. But that's a great assignment for Tom Brady
as you're you know your new part owner is the
greatest quarterback of all time. Tom, can you find us
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one on Day two? Find us a quarterback that we
can just rock with for the next couple of years
until we can get the guy that we ultimately love.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And so and and we say this every year, but
I really want people to if you're a Raiders fan
and you opt in for that approach, I think it
requires a long range thought process for the fan base
to not get overly excited or not get too.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
High or too low.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
If the mid range quarterback that you're leaning on doesn't
give you franchise quality play right away, it could be.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
A veteran too. That's why I'm getting too too. It
could be a better veteran.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
So as you're building this out. We've seen it. Man,
it's more important to get the team right. So, as
we've talked about, you can drop the quarterback in because
the franchise quarterback isn't then every year the franchise quarterback
is not going to be available in the draft through
free agency. So you got to figure out a way
to build your team. And the best way to build
your team is to take the assets available to get
you enough blue chip player so you can win the game.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, no, it's I just think, man, you can't go wrong.
Like if you just if you just keep building up
the line of scrimmage, building up the line of scrimmage,
it's like a field of dreams, right if you build it,
you know what I mean, Just build that up, build
that up, and then you're gonna it. Ditch buys you
time to find that right guy, Don't force it. That's
gonna be what this draft is about to me at
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the quarterback position is who's going to force it? Who's
gonna try and force somebody a little higher than they
should and who's going to be patient? Say you know what,
we're gonna try and build this thing up and then
we're just gonna go boop drop him in right after
it's all built.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Oh, I mean that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I mean, that's that's so much of it, Like the
importance of being able to get the right guys and
make sure that you build the team the right way.
And as you talk about Spot taking his experience building
in Tampa line of scrimmage, there are a lot of
line of scrimmage guys that you can lean on in
this draft. So win it out one on the front
line and to give you a chance to come out
of the draft with some people that can help you
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right away.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yep, it's gonna be fun. Good for him too. He's
he's worked for a long time. He's a good dude,
very well respected. So excited for him. Excited to see
who the Jets are going to hire is their general manager.
Excited to see the Jags are going to hire as
their GM. So, uh, you know, it's a Bargonzi got
the GM job. I don't know if we congratulated him yet, congratulate.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
About Yeah, Yeah, that's great for him.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Who's been who's been at it for a long time
and has I always feel like, you know, we say
all these guys are respected, and people say you say
that about everybody. Well, yeah, because it's hard. It's hard
to stay in this thing for a long time and
work your way up and wait your turn, and uh
and good for them. Always excited for guys to get
that chair.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Look, man, eighteen years is a long time to play
your trade, and so is the patience and the persistence
to keep doing it and working, uh, doing the best
job that you can do in the role and responsibility
that you have until someone gives you an opportunity to
do more.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So congrats to him. Can't wait to see what it
looks like. Yeah, No, excited for him. All right, Well,
this is fun. We got a chance to jump into
some of the changes that have taken place, and more
changes coming. We'll have those for you. And and we're
getting ready to shift off into draft gear into and
it's gonna be full speed ahead buck as we as
we go into the offseason, I will say, man, if
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you need a defensive tackle, defensive end, you need a
running back, you need a tight end, you're gonna love
this draft. Man.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
So it's so funny. We always talk about the league
coming full circle. We're back to the line of scrimmage players,
We're back to old school football. Being in play, and
some teams are gonna have to like take advantage of
those players that are available until they can find some
of the marquee pieces that you definitely want down the lock.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yep for sure. All Right, that's gonna do it for
us today. We appreciate you guys hanging with us. We
will see you next time right here on movie sticks.
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