October 23, 2025 • 29 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks are joined by former colleague and GM Mike Mayock to discuss Mac Jones’ resurgence with the 49ers (0:35), the Kansas City Chiefs getting back on track after a slow start (4:41), and roster-building philosophies ahead of the NFL Trade Deadline (9:03). Then, the guys dive into Jon Gruden’s potential fit as a college football coach (16:10), the growing impact of the transfer portal (20:35), and how early-picking teams should approach quarterback evaluations in a thin draft class (22:40).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody walking to move the stick?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
DJ?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Buck?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
And we've got our buddy back with us, Mike Mayock. Mike,
how the heck you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
DJ? I'm good, Buck, I'm good. How you guys doing
doing great?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I got a we got a Thursday night or tonight,
so I'm gonna I'm gonna buzz up to LA for
a little Chargers vikings and then uh we got a
fun weekend of football.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I want to hit you up first.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's some things I wanted to get to you on,
including Kansas City, but uh, you know, before we get there,
we've talked a bunch about these quarterback reclamation projects, and
we've been talking about it all year long. It kind
of seems like the year of that. But the one
I don't know we've given as much attention to is
the little run that Mac Jones has gone on, going
back to when he was coming out.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Mike, what did you think of him?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And why is this working now when when maybe you know,
after initial success it fell apart in New England.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I thought he was a kind of solid, efficient scheme
fit type of guy. I wasn't going to go crazy
about the measurables. I felt about him a lot like
I felt about and obviously I'm wrong on a lot
of fronts, but the same way I felt about bow
Nick's coming out and what's his face from the Giants
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coming out Old Miss last years, Dart I kind of had,
you know, in my head late one, the mid two
on all three of those kind of guys. And you know,
with Sean Payton Peyton bow was a great fix fit
for what he does right number one. Uh Dart is
a similar guy, I think because he's good enough athletically,
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he's good enough at kind of everything, but not elite
in any of them. You know, he's a good athlete,
he's good arm. He beat the Eagles a couple Thursday
nights ago, and you know, I mean, and you know
there's this kid that Mac Jones I think is similar,
but not as good an athlete.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
So I had an opportunity to watch Mac Jones all
year last year down in Jacksonville. So he's a hometown
kid from Jacksonville, had an opportunity to go play for
the Jags, and he wanted to get out of the
New England thing and just try and be kind of rehab,
have a lighter coach, learn some stuff. And what I
would tell you is he's interesting in terms of the
energy that he brings to the field. Now, I probably
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if you asked Trevor Lawrence, he probably was a little
annoyed by what mac Jones does because mac Jones is
kind of the life of the party, buzzes around.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
He probably has.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Some swag and confidence that outweighs his talent. But it
was good and so he was easy to like until
he played, and when he played. Sometimes he doesn't understand
his own boundaries, but I think that year in Jacksonville
was good for him to play freely. So now when
he goes to San Francisco and he plays for a
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guy who seemingly always wanted him, it's kind of like
the perfect fit. Because when I look at this mac
Jones play, it reminds me of the mag Jones that
played with a lot of confidence, a lot of decisiveness
at Alabama. And so we talk about fit in scheme man,
the player's talents fitting the scheme and the coaching staff
certainly can work out.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I mean, I'm all over that fit word to me
when we talk about okay, if it's Daniel Jones, Darnold,
name any of those guys that are having a reclamation
year or two, and to me, it's about the fit
and it has to be both sides, like maybe the
kid has matured a little bit over the years, but
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on the organization side, what's your infrastructure, can you run
the ball, can you play defense? What your past protection
look like? Can you help the kid protect themself? And
when you start talking about coaches ball that call plays,
whether it's Shanahan Peyton. I learned a lot from John Gruden.
I didn't understand how important and often play caller really
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was until I got around him, and the way he
made our quarterback, Dark Carfield, and how confident Dark Carr
went into everything. And I think they were dark specialiers
on the under route. So I learned a lot watching
John work with our quarterback, and it's really cool to
see these fits come alive in other places.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I had no question.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Man, you mentioned some of those names, and you know,
obviously Baker's in the MVP discussion, Donold's having another great year.
I mean, I think people forget about it's been so long.
Jared goff like that was you know, La kind of
was done. They were done with him, even though he'd
been to a Super Bowl. Now he's playing his best
ball down in Detroit. I want to get over to
the to the Chiefs here, Mike. The the fact we've
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got the World Series coming up, and there's been a
lot of stuff written about the Dodgers and how they
almost were bored during the regular season because they're in
the postseason every year and it's you know, that's that's
when their kind of light came on towards the end
of the year and then they've been on this October run.
But I was watching, you know, I haven't seen the
Chiefs in person this year year early and then watching
them as they're kind of finding their groove a little bit.
Is that a real thing? Can Can a team have
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so much success that some in some ways they almost
get bored with some of this early season stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I don't know if it's quite that DJ, but they
got smacked in the Super Bowl, so I'm not sure
they were bored. I think what happened to them a
little bit coming into the season is you got your
best receiver on a six game suspension. You're playing two
young kids at left guard and left tackle, both of
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whom are athletic improvements over what you had a year ago,
but neither of whom are really ready to compete at
a real high level. Yet there's some moving pieces going
on on that defense, especially on the back end, that
I kind of knew Spags would fix and to be to.
So you get Rashie rights back, and what's he do?
He scores what two touchdowns last week? Even though the
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left tackle is out for some weird reason that we
don't know. You know, the left side of the line is
playing better. That's sumataic kid whatever he is, the rookie,
uh playing left guard, you know, not bad. The left
tackle has been playing okay. You give the quarterback half
a chance, a little bit of a run game, uh.
And you bring those receivers back and they look like
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the old group of Kansas City Chiefs and and they
you know that that that backup tight ends making catches.
What's his name from grave dude? Yeah? No, great? Yeah, no, Gray?
You know. I mean, so they utilize everything and I
think at the end of the day, maybe because I'm
a coach's son, but coaching, coaching does matter, and you
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got a Hall of Fame quarterback, you got a Hall
of Fame head coach. And if there was a Hall
of Fame for defensive coordinators, Spags would be in it.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yet, like Mike, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I think when you have the pedigree and you won
so much, there's a calmness where you don't overreact to
these things.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You know that the season is a marathon.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
To me, watching the Chiefs play on that Monday night
where look they they should.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Beat the Jacks.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Pat Mahomes was doing everything and I was like, man,
if he just had some help, how good can they be?
When now the help comes back, Rashid Rice, you have
Hollywood Brown Xavior Worthy comes back. Now they have their
full trio and compliment in the passing game. It makes
a running game better. And even though Travis Kelsey isn't
what he wants was, he's kind of like that old
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It reminds me of the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But the Boston celtsis.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Always get an old guy, Bill Walton, some corn bred Macwell,
someone that was near the end of their time, and
they would plug him in and play well. Travis Kelsey
can make those plays when you need him to make
him down the stretch. And so we're gonna sit here
and at the end of the year, we're gonna talk
about the Chiefs being right back in the conversation. And
if they get into the tournament, they know how to
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win it, and that's what scares everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You don't want them in because they know how to
get to the winner circle.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And DJ, I mean the Chargers had a chance to
try to run away and hide there early and didn't
do it. And obviously, I think when you're yeah injuries
to your two offensive tackles like they do, and they
have and it is all playing tonight, J I think. So.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean, last they're down to their fifth and sixth tackles,
and last week they got down to their seventh tackle.
I can never remember a team this early in the
season trotting out their seventh offensive tackle, but that's that's
kind of where they were. But I think there's a
good chance all plays in this Thursday night game, so
that'll solidify a lot of things. And they've got, you know,
some other pieces that need to come back. But that
(08:28):
I mean just being able to not worry about one
side and be able to help on the other.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I think will make a major difference.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But you're right, Mike, they're three and oh, three and
oh in the division, a chance to really separate themselves,
and you know, they've kind of fallen off a little
bit due to some of these some of these issues.
But the big game for them tonight on the k
C front thirty seven thirty thirty one. That's what they've
put up offensively over the last few games, so they've
they've definitely found their groove the run game, though, gosh,
mahomes been leading rusher in three of their games this year.
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They haven't had a running back Mike go over fifty
seven yards this year. So that kind of transitions me
to where I wanted to take you, which is trade
deadline coming up. I mean, I look at somebody like
a Breissee Hall that's out there or whatever. I mean,
you're a championship ready team right now. I mean, is
there a motivation on that front or you just say
they can just do this without having a big time back.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
But I think they're talking to the appropriate teams. From
my end, if I'm the new GM in the Jet
for the Jets and my runway is hopefully at least
two three, four years out there. Why in the world
would I get rid of for anything less than a
spectacular return of a really good young player. You know,
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he's twenty five or twenty six. I mean, he's a
number one back. This kid's a real deal. And I
know they have some depth with Braylan Allen and he's
had some injuries. I mean, if you're the Jets, I
don't think you make that move unless you get something
crazy in return. The flip side of it is, if
your case, they're not going to give him anything crazy,
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I don't think the Chargers are going to give him
anything crazy. The guy that I kind of look in
at it at the running back position a little but
is Jerome Ford. You know, he's he's lost his gig
to the rookie from Ohio State John He's in the
last year of his rookie contract, which if you're Andrew Burry,
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you kind of go, hey, I'm probably not going to
resign him because he's not going to start here. Why
don't I try and get something for him. I don't
know if there's a compensatory pick available there for him
if they held on to him. So that's kind of
the conversation going on with Cleveland, and I think Ford
would be a good fit for either of the two
AFC West teams that we're talking.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
About, you know, Mike, Before we talk about specifically, I
want to kind of talk through the mechanics of the
approaching trade deadline and how you think about it as
a general manager, because everyone just thinks like, oh, I'm
just going to throw it around and let's get displayed
that player. How do you weigh what's good for the
team now versus what would be better for the team
down the road.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's a great question, and you know, most fans, God
bless them, you know, think it's just fantasy football. You know,
I get off, Oh I got this guy in the
waiver wire. I can send him to you, and you no, no,
no no. My last year with the Raiders, we were
making a playoff push and we made it, but heading
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into this timeframe, I felt like we needed some help
on defense, and I came real close to making a
deal with an NFC team. But the problem I had
with it Buck It was kind of an aging player
who was really good in his prime, still had some
juice left, and he was in the last year of
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his contract. So you know, they wanted. You know, this
is a big name guy too, And from my perspective,
was I going to give them like a second round
draft pick for a guy that I might rent for
seven games, you know, And to be honest with you,
a guy like that might even go back to the
team that trade a him at the end of the
season because he was there for so long. So I'm
(12:08):
sitting there going no, no, no, there has to be value,
you know. I can't go crazy just trying to give
our defense some help at the expense of the overall
future of our franchise.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And I'm not sure a lot of fans really understand that. Yeah,
that's part of the calculus. You've been in there and
done that, Mike. I think it's fascinating. I do think
we see a little more movement, and we have seen
a little more movement over the last few years, and
for me, one of the main reasons is because teams
have gotten into this pick swap situation where it used
to be player for pick and it's like I don't
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want to lose a pick, you know, I like the player.
Now it's like, oh, you get a little you'll get
a pick back. You get a pick back too. How
much has that changed in conversations. I'd say probably over
the last decadehere we're seeing a lot more of these
pick swaps.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, And when I first got there in twenty nineteen,
I hadn't heard much about it before I stepped into that,
and then I realized pretty quickly it was it was
a pretty cool way to equalize a deal from either side. Okay,
And if you have confidence in your ability to draft
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and you get a player back, even if the player
is a seven and you're giving a five, you walk
into your scouting department. Got you close the door, You say, Fellows,
we just gave up a five for seven, But we
got to get as good a player in seven, and
that's our challenge. That's on us. So, Danny, it is
a really good equalizer and it works on both sides
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of the equation, and every team in the league does it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know it might so so playing over that. So
I just came back from being overseas watching the Rams,
and the Rams have been really good at finding all
of these later round picks and put them on the
field and doing it because of your experience, Because everybody,
we all loved the process of draft and develop how
do you get coaches to really develop the players, because
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typically coaches lean to the old guy in the room
and they don't want to give the young guy an
opportunity to play through those mistakes.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I think, and again, Buck, a great conversation. We could
do this for an hour. But the reality is there's
got to be an agreement in the building on how
you're going to handle the player before you draft them,
especially the highly drafted guys. You know, especially anytime there's
a position change or anything where there's some gray areas,
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there's got to be a conversation between the coaches and
the scouts about how we're going to integrate this guy
into our system. And invariably, Buck, these coaches fall in
love with guys they trust, right, And I felt like,
if I had one more coach tell me he had
to have this guy in the middle of the season
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that was a thirty six year old broken down linebacker
or guard or whatever, I was going to puke. However,
put yourself in their shoe, and especially during the season,
they want guys they can trust. They don't want to
be plugging in your fourth round pick or you think
someday might be a starter. Right, So the guys that
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there are some like Gruden. I thought did a really
good job with our offensive guys when and he get
them in early and give him an opportunity to grow.
Because as the season goes on and it matters more
and more, they're even more reluctant to play the young guy.
So you got to get the young guy a taste early.
And I think there's got to be a plan, even
if it's a rotation, even if it's special teams, something
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to get the kid a taste and keep them involved
and keep the coaches thinking about the kid goes down
and makes a tackle on a punt. I think the
defensive coordinator is not thinking, man, maybe he should work
in a little bit at the safety position. Right. So
there's a lot that goes into that. It's really kind
of fun.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And no doubt quick pause would come right back.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I want to mention h I want to mention a
man that's come up several times this conversation, and I'm
gonna take us in a different spot. Hold on, we'll
be right back, all right, Mike. You've mentioned his name
several times on here, Gruden, And we've already got some
coaching openings, including at the University of Florida. So, as
someone who's been with him and watched the impact he
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can have on a on a on a team, on organization,
on a building, the success that he's had, would John
Gruden make a great college coach. I'd love to know
your opinion on that.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah. I mean, look, I think one of the things
he does best is recruit. And I watched him with
with UFAs at the NFL level, get guys in the
building that I didn't think we could get in the
building and they wanted to come play for him. We
got Nelson Aguilar in the building and and John did
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an unbelievable job, and Nelson went on to have his
biggest year before you know he dashed out in Jacksonville.
I mean, so John will get talent on a campus.
You put him in the SEC, you watch any of
his barstool stuff. I mean, he's engaging, he's funny, he's energetic,
and most importantly, he's genuinely passionate about the game of football.
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So I think he would be a hit in the
college world. And I'm guessing. And he's out there now,
I mean, I think he wants to coach. He's out
there pushing it, So I'm guessing the stigma of all
that stuff. You know, it might continue because of a
lawsuit on the NFL side, But I don't understand. I
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don't know why a college wouldn't sit down, at least
sit down and talk to him about it.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You know. At the same time, we're talking about coach Gruden,
who I played for, who I do believe would be
a really good college coach. I think we had an
interesting kind of crossroads when it comes to coaches and
the decisions that they have to make. We have the
NFL jobs, but you've always been viewed as kind of
the crown jewels. But now the money he elevated inflated
at the collegiate level, and some would say that maybe
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you have more power if you're the head coach on
a college campus at a time when the game is
trending towards pro football. Mike, when you look at the
jobs that open up in college, what would be appealing
or what would make an NFL coach want to take
a college job now in the current landscape.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Buck. In all honesty, most of the coaches I talk to,
even the ones that are college head coaches at prominent places,
are highly agitated and frustrated with the change in the
infrastructure of college football. And part of it are they
getting paid better? Are they getting compensated better? Absolutely, the
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pressure to win championships at the high level. Go ask
James Franklin. Crazy now crazy now. The pay out in
the buyout is ridiculous. Also, it's commensurate with the other
side of it. But basically, we have another professional league
out there. We still call it college football, but it's
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a professional league and things are changing. They got to
get their arms wrapped around the portal nil. How to recruit.
I mean some teams are just saying, why do I
want an eighteen year old high school kid when I
can get a twenty one year old three year starter
at an acron or the MAC Conference or you know,
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and a lot. I get it. Why wouldn't you? You
can put college date we want to watch them play
against Ohio State and say, yeah, I want that kid.
It makes it easier, you make less mistakes. So I
think those are some of the things you might like
about being a college head coach. Is if you take
advantage of where it is now, you can build quickly.
But I know most of them are highly frustrated by
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the mobility on campus.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I know there's a frustration on the coaching side of things.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
From the scouting side of things, Mike I made this
argument last year that I think it's actually become easier
to scout players now because of the everything's just kind
of been put together in the SEC the Big ten
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like Jared Verse, we would have had to watch.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Albany tape and go, Okay, this guy's dominant. But I mean, gosh,
they're not playing anybody. It's a little bit of a
trickier conversation. Maybe we get him at an All Star
game and can see something.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Now nowadays the Jared Versus go to Florida State and
then they prove themselves up, you know, up at the
higher level there of what they're doing. I mean, how
has this changed? How have you seen it change from
a scouting perspective with with not just the nil but
to me more so the transfer portal, with the movement
that we have, there is so.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Much potential for movement. And the group I work with,
Sumer Sports, I mean, they're they're going to have twenty
five hundred portal evaluations available on December eighth, did you
hear that. WOWND Now, a good percentage of the those
kids won't go into portal, but they're scouting them anyway,
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kind of like you have to. And we have fourteen
full time, year round portal scouts, all of whom were
former college coaches, scouts and NFL coaches and scouts. I mean,
you want to see the biles. It's crazy. So my
point is you could see how big a business it is. Yeah,
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and I think the smart colleges and especially ones with money,
although I'm blown away if you look at Indiana right
and you look at Signetti, how many of those guys
did he have come with him from JMU? A good number, yeah,
or fourteen of them. I just did one of his
wide outs the other day. That was a transfer number three.
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I think he is good wide out really, I mean
he's going to be probably a second day pick maybe.
But to your point, DJ, we're scouting him now the
big ten. We're not scaling them at g JMU. So yeah,
I think it combines a lot of stuff and makes
it a little bit easier for the scouts. I wouldn't
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disagree with that at all. I think you're right, you.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Know, Mike, and I know how funny this can be
because we always love on TV to talk about quarterbacks.
So I can't let you go without being in general
talking about the college quarterback class, because the conversation heading
into the season is much different than the conversation that
people are having.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Now you're gonna make me go get my other noteble.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So I'm trying to take this because you said in
the general manager, See when you hear the conversation before
the season and then you pop on the tape and
the guys that everyone are talking about certainly do not
meet up to the expectations that you would have when
it comes to a franchise quarterback and you're a team
that is in desperate need for a draft, how do
you resist the temptation to the world all says we
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need to go take one of these quarterbacks, so we
go take him in the first round, when in your gut,
you know, hey man, there may be only one or
two of these guys that are really first round worthy quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, it's such a good conversation. Also, because we do
we push these kids up way too high, commencemate, with
their value way too high. And I think that's why
we've had so many busts over the years, and that's
why some of them come back later and say, yeah,
I was pretty good, just wasn't the right system.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But I mean, what.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Part of this I could go on for an hour.
What part of this do you want me to hit
on them? Buck?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Okay, So let's just pretend that the Jets, the New
York Jets, get the number one overall pick. Yeah, And
I don't know without finishing all the reports if there's
a quarterback that is worth being the number one overall
pick and next year's draft. So how do you if
you're airing Glynn and you're tasked with finding a franchise quarterback,
look at that draft class, knowing your harder parts, there's good,
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but there may not be special. Do I go and
take one of those guys because the world says we
have to? Or do I find one of these reclamation
projects and think that I can continue to get the
reclamation project to play at the level that he's playing
at Somewhere else You're.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Gonna see guys doing both. To be really honest with you,
But at the end of the day, I look at
the quarterback list like from last year, and everyone's talking
about what a great quarterback class. This was gonna be
And now I have no idea, you know, or you
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know Archie. Archie needs to go back and get get
a thousand reps and he might be the guy there,
but that you know, Carson back three years ago is
the guy. Now, I have no idea what he may
or may not be. I watched Mendoza for two games.
He's pretty good player, like out of no worries, but
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not a whole lot of mobility. You're anything. But I
think what's really critical, and I think this is the
main point here, Buck, is that, like I really liked
what say Sean Payton did with bow Nix, this is
my guy. I don't care if I get him at
twelve or forty two or three. This is my guy
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because he'll work befits my style and I can bring
him along the way I want to bring him along.
Give the Giants some credit, go back and get Jackson
Dark in the first round. You know that's their guy.
But all these guys that go so high and you're
giving up all these draft picks, and you mentioned the
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Jets and what they gave up for the kid from
what's his name, Wilson, Zach Wilson. I mean, they gave
up a boat load for him, and the kid has
done nothing. And at the end of the day, Buck
and you guys have heard me say this. If you
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don't have a franchise quarterback, you're just another day closer
to getting fired. So head coaches and gms close the
door and they go, well, our guy sucks, maybe this
guy will be better.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Right, And that's probably not the right conversation to take
a guy at three or eight or two or one.
But there's a lot of job pressure on these guys,
bottom line, and you better be you better be selective
about who's going to fit into your building and why.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, I think you better have conviction at the end
of the day if you if you're kind of like
I think, I hope you're probably making as not. But
I think it's going to be fascinating to see who
this next wave of reclamation projects are. We've talked about
it on here before, Mike, but you know, Mac Jones
has kind of shown that he's gonna he's gonna be
somewhere next year with they paid rock Perty, so Mac
Jones is not going to be their guy. So they're
going to have an asset they can flip. You're going
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to see Trey Lance, who's spending this time with Jim Harbaugh,
with the hope another high pick who's got a chance to,
you know, reclaim some confidence that maybe he ends up
going somewhere. But that would be my thing if you're
a team picking up there in the top five. I mean, look,
as great as Jackson Dart was or has played, and
he's been more than advertising, they took Abdill Carter when
they had a major need at quarterback and then they
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found the right value to take their shot on Dart.
So to me, I think that's a great example of,
you know, make sure you got full conviction here.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
One million percent Djay. And it's funny you guys brought
up Jared Vers a minute ago, and I'm laughing because
this morning I'm watching college edge guys and I don't
know about you guys, but I think this is the
year of like the big powerful edge guy.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yea, you know there's not one of them, the kid
at Miami.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, Yeah, there's there's the kid at Miami. Did you
do the Alabama kid twenty two? Not yet?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Oh he's he's there's a bunch of guys that play
from the nine all the way in the notes, and
there's a bunch of two hundred and seventy two hundred
and eighty pound edge guys that can kick the three
technique and sub. There's like five of them. But anyway,
I know you don't want to talk about that, and
that's not sexy.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
No, we're getting there.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
We're getting there. We're getting there, Mike. Trust me, you've
been You've been awesome as always. Man, I'm looking forward
to a fun weekend of football. We got to do
this again. We'll do this next month, and then at
that point in time, I'll have seen all the heavy
edge rushers and we can talk whether we should play
him at a five or whether we should kick him inside.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It'll be the podcast, that'll be the entire podcast. You're
the best buddy fellas. All right, there you go, Buck,
Mike Mayock.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Always always great to have him on and uh and
chat it up a little bit. We've got another episode
coming your way tomorrow. Be on the lookout for that
and we'll keep all your football needs taking care of
right here on with the sticks
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody walking to move the stick?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
DJ?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Buck?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
And we've got our buddy back with us, Mike Mayock. Mike,
how the heck you doing, man?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
DJ? I'm good, Buck, I'm good. How you guys doing
doing great?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I got a we got a Thursday night or tonight,
so I'm gonna I'm gonna buzz up to LA for
a little Chargers vikings and then uh we got a
fun weekend of football.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I want to hit you up first.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
It's some things I wanted to get to you on,
including Kansas City, but uh, you know, before we get there,
we've talked a bunch about these quarterback reclamation projects, and
we've been talking about it all year long. It kind
of seems like the year of that. But the one
I don't know we've given as much attention to is
the little run that Mac Jones has gone on, going
back to when he was coming out.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Mike, what did you think of him?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
And why is this working now when when maybe you know,
after initial success it fell apart in New England.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I thought he was a kind of solid, efficient scheme
fit type of guy. I wasn't going to go crazy
about the measurables. I felt about him a lot like
I felt about and obviously I'm wrong on a lot
of fronts, but the same way I felt about bow
Nick's coming out and what's his face from the Giants
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coming out Old Miss last years, Dart I kind of had,
you know, in my head late one, the mid two
on all three of those kind of guys. And you know,
with Sean Payton Peyton bow was a great fix fit
for what he does right number one. Uh Dart is
a similar guy, I think because he's good enough athletically,
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he's good enough at kind of everything, but not elite
in any of them. You know, he's a good athlete,
he's good arm. He beat the Eagles a couple Thursday
nights ago, and you know, I mean, and you know
there's this kid that Mac Jones I think is similar,
but not as good an athlete.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
So I had an opportunity to watch Mac Jones all
year last year down in Jacksonville. So he's a hometown
kid from Jacksonville, had an opportunity to go play for
the Jags, and he wanted to get out of the
New England thing and just try and be kind of rehab,
have a lighter coach, learn some stuff. And what I
would tell you is he's interesting in terms of the
energy that he brings to the field. Now, I probably
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if you asked Trevor Lawrence, he probably was a little
annoyed by what mac Jones does because mac Jones is
kind of the life of the party, buzzes around.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
He probably has.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Some swag and confidence that outweighs his talent. But it
was good and so he was easy to like until
he played, and when he played. Sometimes he doesn't understand
his own boundaries, but I think that year in Jacksonville
was good for him to play freely. So now when
he goes to San Francisco and he plays for a
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guy who seemingly always wanted him, it's kind of like
the perfect fit. Because when I look at this mac
Jones play, it reminds me of the mag Jones that
played with a lot of confidence, a lot of decisiveness
at Alabama. And so we talk about fit in scheme man,
the player's talents fitting the scheme and the coaching staff
certainly can work out.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I mean, I'm all over that fit word to me
when we talk about okay, if it's Daniel Jones, Darnold,
name any of those guys that are having a reclamation
year or two, and to me, it's about the fit
and it has to be both sides, like maybe the
kid has matured a little bit over the years, but
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on the organization side, what's your infrastructure, can you run
the ball, can you play defense? What your past protection
look like? Can you help the kid protect themself? And
when you start talking about coaches ball that call plays,
whether it's Shanahan Peyton. I learned a lot from John Gruden.
I didn't understand how important and often play caller really
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was until I got around him, and the way he
made our quarterback, Dark Carfield, and how confident Dark Carr
went into everything. And I think they were dark specialiers
on the under route. So I learned a lot watching
John work with our quarterback, and it's really cool to
see these fits come alive in other places.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I had no question.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Man, you mentioned some of those names, and you know,
obviously Baker's in the MVP discussion, Donold's having another great year.
I mean, I think people forget about it's been so long.
Jared goff like that was you know, La kind of
was done. They were done with him, even though he'd
been to a Super Bowl. Now he's playing his best
ball down in Detroit. I want to get over to
the to the Chiefs here, Mike. The the fact we've
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got the World Series coming up, and there's been a
lot of stuff written about the Dodgers and how they
almost were bored during the regular season because they're in
the postseason every year and it's you know, that's that's
when their kind of light came on towards the end
of the year and then they've been on this October run.
But I was watching, you know, I haven't seen the
Chiefs in person this year year early and then watching
them as they're kind of finding their groove a little bit.
Is that a real thing? Can Can a team have
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so much success that some in some ways they almost
get bored with some of this early season stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I don't know if it's quite that DJ, but they
got smacked in the Super Bowl, so I'm not sure
they were bored. I think what happened to them a
little bit coming into the season is you got your
best receiver on a six game suspension. You're playing two
young kids at left guard and left tackle, both of
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whom are athletic improvements over what you had a year ago,
but neither of whom are really ready to compete at
a real high level. Yet there's some moving pieces going
on on that defense, especially on the back end, that
I kind of knew Spags would fix and to be to.
So you get Rashie rights back, and what's he do?
He scores what two touchdowns last week? Even though the
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left tackle is out for some weird reason that we
don't know. You know, the left side of the line is
playing better. That's sumataic kid whatever he is, the rookie,
uh playing left guard, you know, not bad. The left
tackle has been playing okay. You give the quarterback half
a chance, a little bit of a run game, uh.
And you bring those receivers back and they look like
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the old group of Kansas City Chiefs and and they
you know that that that backup tight ends making catches.
What's his name from grave dude? Yeah? No, great? Yeah, no, Gray?
You know. I mean, so they utilize everything and I
think at the end of the day, maybe because I'm
a coach's son, but coaching, coaching does matter, and you
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got a Hall of Fame quarterback, you got a Hall
of Fame head coach. And if there was a Hall
of Fame for defensive coordinators, Spags would be in it.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yet, like Mike, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I think when you have the pedigree and you won
so much, there's a calmness where you don't overreact to
these things.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
You know that the season is a marathon.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
To me, watching the Chiefs play on that Monday night
where look they they should.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Beat the Jacks.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Pat Mahomes was doing everything and I was like, man,
if he just had some help, how good can they be?
When now the help comes back, Rashid Rice, you have
Hollywood Brown Xavior Worthy comes back. Now they have their
full trio and compliment in the passing game. It makes
a running game better. And even though Travis Kelsey isn't
what he wants was, he's kind of like that old
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It reminds me of the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But the Boston celtsis.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Always get an old guy, Bill Walton, some corn bred Macwell,
someone that was near the end of their time, and
they would plug him in and play well. Travis Kelsey
can make those plays when you need him to make
him down the stretch. And so we're gonna sit here
and at the end of the year, we're gonna talk
about the Chiefs being right back in the conversation. And
if they get into the tournament, they know how to
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win it, and that's what scares everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You don't want them in because they know how to
get to the winner circle.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And DJ, I mean the Chargers had a chance to
try to run away and hide there early and didn't
do it. And obviously, I think when you're yeah injuries
to your two offensive tackles like they do, and they
have and it is all playing tonight, J I think. So.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I mean, last they're down to their fifth and sixth tackles,
and last week they got down to their seventh tackle.
I can never remember a team this early in the
season trotting out their seventh offensive tackle, but that's that's
kind of where they were. But I think there's a
good chance all plays in this Thursday night game, so
that'll solidify a lot of things. And they've got, you know,
some other pieces that need to come back. But that
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I mean just being able to not worry about one
side and be able to help on the other.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I think will make a major difference.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But you're right, Mike, they're three and oh, three and
oh in the division, a chance to really separate themselves,
and you know, they've kind of fallen off a little
bit due to some of these some of these issues.
But the big game for them tonight on the k
C front thirty seven thirty thirty one. That's what they've
put up offensively over the last few games, so they've
they've definitely found their groove the run game, though, gosh,
mahomes been leading rusher in three of their games this year.
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They haven't had a running back Mike go over fifty
seven yards this year. So that kind of transitions me
to where I wanted to take you, which is trade
deadline coming up. I mean, I look at somebody like
a Breissee Hall that's out there or whatever. I mean,
you're a championship ready team right now. I mean, is
there a motivation on that front or you just say
they can just do this without having a big time back.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
But I think they're talking to the appropriate teams. From
my end, if I'm the new GM in the Jet
for the Jets and my runway is hopefully at least
two three, four years out there. Why in the world
would I get rid of for anything less than a
spectacular return of a really good young player. You know,
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he's twenty five or twenty six. I mean, he's a
number one back. This kid's a real deal. And I
know they have some depth with Braylan Allen and he's
had some injuries. I mean, if you're the Jets, I
don't think you make that move unless you get something
crazy in return. The flip side of it is, if
your case, they're not going to give him anything crazy,
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I don't think the Chargers are going to give him
anything crazy. The guy that I kind of look in
at it at the running back position a little but
is Jerome Ford. You know, he's he's lost his gig
to the rookie from Ohio State John He's in the
last year of his rookie contract, which if you're Andrew Burry,
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you kind of go, hey, I'm probably not going to
resign him because he's not going to start here. Why
don't I try and get something for him. I don't
know if there's a compensatory pick available there for him
if they held on to him. So that's kind of
the conversation going on with Cleveland, and I think Ford
would be a good fit for either of the two
AFC West teams that we're talking.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
About, you know, Mike, Before we talk about specifically, I
want to kind of talk through the mechanics of the
approaching trade deadline and how you think about it as
a general manager, because everyone just thinks like, oh, I'm
just going to throw it around and let's get displayed
that player. How do you weigh what's good for the
team now versus what would be better for the team
down the road.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's a great question, and you know, most fans, God
bless them, you know, think it's just fantasy football. You know,
I get off, Oh I got this guy in the
waiver wire. I can send him to you, and you no, no,
no no. My last year with the Raiders, we were
making a playoff push and we made it, but heading
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into this timeframe, I felt like we needed some help
on defense, and I came real close to making a
deal with an NFC team. But the problem I had
with it Buck It was kind of an aging player
who was really good in his prime, still had some
juice left, and he was in the last year of
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his contract. So you know, they wanted. You know, this
is a big name guy too, And from my perspective,
was I going to give them like a second round
draft pick for a guy that I might rent for
seven games, you know, And to be honest with you,
a guy like that might even go back to the
team that trade a him at the end of the
season because he was there for so long. So I'm
(12:08):
sitting there going no, no, no, there has to be value,
you know. I can't go crazy just trying to give
our defense some help at the expense of the overall
future of our franchise.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
And I'm not sure a lot of fans really understand that. Yeah,
that's part of the calculus. You've been in there and
done that, Mike. I think it's fascinating. I do think
we see a little more movement, and we have seen
a little more movement over the last few years, and
for me, one of the main reasons is because teams
have gotten into this pick swap situation where it used
to be player for pick and it's like I don't
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want to lose a pick, you know, I like the player.
Now it's like, oh, you get a little you'll get
a pick back. You get a pick back too. How
much has that changed in conversations. I'd say probably over
the last decadehere we're seeing a lot more of these
pick swaps.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, And when I first got there in twenty nineteen,
I hadn't heard much about it before I stepped into that,
and then I realized pretty quickly it was it was
a pretty cool way to equalize a deal from either side. Okay,
And if you have confidence in your ability to draft
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and you get a player back, even if the player
is a seven and you're giving a five, you walk
into your scouting department. Got you close the door, You say, Fellows,
we just gave up a five for seven, But we
got to get as good a player in seven, and
that's our challenge. That's on us. So, Danny, it is
a really good equalizer and it works on both sides
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of the equation, and every team in the league does it.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
You know it might so so playing over that. So
I just came back from being overseas watching the Rams,
and the Rams have been really good at finding all
of these later round picks and put them on the
field and doing it because of your experience, Because everybody,
we all loved the process of draft and develop how
do you get coaches to really develop the players, because
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typically coaches lean to the old guy in the room
and they don't want to give the young guy an
opportunity to play through those mistakes.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I think, and again, Buck, a great conversation. We could
do this for an hour. But the reality is there's
got to be an agreement in the building on how
you're going to handle the player before you draft them,
especially the highly drafted guys. You know, especially anytime there's
a position change or anything where there's some gray areas,
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there's got to be a conversation between the coaches and
the scouts about how we're going to integrate this guy
into our system. And invariably, Buck, these coaches fall in
love with guys they trust, right, And I felt like,
if I had one more coach tell me he had
to have this guy in the middle of the season
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that was a thirty six year old broken down linebacker
or guard or whatever, I was going to puke. However,
put yourself in their shoe, and especially during the season,
they want guys they can trust. They don't want to
be plugging in your fourth round pick or you think
someday might be a starter. Right, So the guys that
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there are some like Gruden. I thought did a really
good job with our offensive guys when and he get
them in early and give him an opportunity to grow.
Because as the season goes on and it matters more
and more, they're even more reluctant to play the young guy.
So you got to get the young guy a taste early.
And I think there's got to be a plan, even
if it's a rotation, even if it's special teams, something
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to get the kid a taste and keep them involved
and keep the coaches thinking about the kid goes down
and makes a tackle on a punt. I think the
defensive coordinator is not thinking, man, maybe he should work
in a little bit at the safety position. Right. So
there's a lot that goes into that. It's really kind
of fun.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
And no doubt quick pause would come right back.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I want to mention h I want to mention a
man that's come up several times this conversation, and I'm
gonna take us in a different spot. Hold on, we'll
be right back, all right, Mike. You've mentioned his name
several times on here, Gruden, And we've already got some
coaching openings, including at the University of Florida. So, as
someone who's been with him and watched the impact he
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can have on a on a on a team, on organization,
on a building, the success that he's had, would John
Gruden make a great college coach. I'd love to know
your opinion on that.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah. I mean, look, I think one of the things
he does best is recruit. And I watched him with
with UFAs at the NFL level, get guys in the
building that I didn't think we could get in the
building and they wanted to come play for him. We
got Nelson Aguilar in the building and and John did
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an unbelievable job, and Nelson went on to have his
biggest year before you know he dashed out in Jacksonville.
I mean, so John will get talent on a campus.
You put him in the SEC, you watch any of
his barstool stuff. I mean, he's engaging, he's funny, he's energetic,
and most importantly, he's genuinely passionate about the game of football.
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So I think he would be a hit in the
college world. And I'm guessing. And he's out there now,
I mean, I think he wants to coach. He's out
there pushing it, So I'm guessing the stigma of all
that stuff. You know, it might continue because of a
lawsuit on the NFL side, But I don't understand. I
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don't know why a college wouldn't sit down, at least
sit down and talk to him about it.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You know. At the same time, we're talking about coach Gruden,
who I played for, who I do believe would be
a really good college coach. I think we had an
interesting kind of crossroads when it comes to coaches and
the decisions that they have to make. We have the
NFL jobs, but you've always been viewed as kind of
the crown jewels. But now the money he elevated inflated
at the collegiate level, and some would say that maybe
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you have more power if you're the head coach on
a college campus at a time when the game is
trending towards pro football. Mike, when you look at the
jobs that open up in college, what would be appealing
or what would make an NFL coach want to take
a college job now in the current landscape.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Buck. In all honesty, most of the coaches I talk to,
even the ones that are college head coaches at prominent places,
are highly agitated and frustrated with the change in the
infrastructure of college football. And part of it are they
getting paid better? Are they getting compensated better? Absolutely, the
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pressure to win championships at the high level. Go ask
James Franklin. Crazy now crazy now. The pay out in
the buyout is ridiculous. Also, it's commensurate with the other
side of it. But basically, we have another professional league
out there. We still call it college football, but it's
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a professional league and things are changing. They got to
get their arms wrapped around the portal nil. How to recruit.
I mean some teams are just saying, why do I
want an eighteen year old high school kid when I
can get a twenty one year old three year starter
at an acron or the MAC Conference or you know,
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and a lot. I get it. Why wouldn't you? You
can put college date we want to watch them play
against Ohio State and say, yeah, I want that kid.
It makes it easier, you make less mistakes. So I
think those are some of the things you might like
about being a college head coach. Is if you take
advantage of where it is now, you can build quickly.
But I know most of them are highly frustrated by
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the mobility on campus.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I know there's a frustration on the coaching side of things.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
From the scouting side of things, Mike I made this
argument last year that I think it's actually become easier
to scout players now because of the everything's just kind
of been put together in the SEC the Big ten
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Like Jared Verse, we would have had to watch.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Albany tape and go, Okay, this guy's dominant. But I mean, gosh,
they're not playing anybody. It's a little bit of a
trickier conversation. Maybe we get him at an All Star
game and can see something.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Well.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Now nowadays the Jared Versus go to Florida State and
then they prove themselves up, you know, up at the
higher level there of what they're doing. I mean, how
has this changed? How have you seen it change from
a scouting perspective with with not just the nil but
to me more so the transfer portal, with the movement
that we have, there is so.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Much potential for movement. And the group I work with,
Sumer Sports, I mean, they're they're going to have twenty
five hundred portal evaluations available on December eighth, did you
hear that. WOWND Now, a good percentage of the those
kids won't go into portal, but they're scouting them anyway,
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kind of like you have to. And we have fourteen
full time, year round portal scouts, all of whom were
former college coaches, scouts and NFL coaches and scouts. I mean,
you want to see the biles. It's crazy. So my
point is you could see how big a business it is. Yeah,
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and I think the smart colleges and especially ones with money,
although I'm blown away if you look at Indiana right
and you look at Signetti, how many of those guys
did he have come with him from JMU? A good number, yeah,
or fourteen of them. I just did one of his
wide outs the other day. That was a transfer number three.
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I think he is good wide out really, I mean
he's going to be probably a second day pick maybe.
But to your point, DJ, we're scouting him now the
big ten. We're not scaling them at g JMU. So yeah,
I think it combines a lot of stuff and makes
it a little bit easier for the scouts. I wouldn't
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disagree with that at all. I think you're right, you.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Know, Mike, and I know how funny this can be
because we always love on TV to talk about quarterbacks.
So I can't let you go without being in general
talking about the college quarterback class, because the conversation heading
into the season is much different than the conversation that
people are having.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Now you're gonna make me go get my other noteble.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So I'm trying to take this because you said in
the general manager, See when you hear the conversation before
the season and then you pop on the tape and
the guys that everyone are talking about certainly do not
meet up to the expectations that you would have when
it comes to a franchise quarterback and you're a team
that is in desperate need for a draft, how do
you resist the temptation to the world all says we
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need to go take one of these quarterbacks, so we
go take him in the first round, when in your gut,
you know, hey man, there may be only one or
two of these guys that are really first round worthy quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, it's such a good conversation. Also, because we do
we push these kids up way too high, commencemate, with
their value way too high. And I think that's why
we've had so many busts over the years, and that's
why some of them come back later and say, yeah,
I was pretty good, just wasn't the right system.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
But I mean, what.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Part of this I could go on for an hour.
What part of this do you want me to hit
on them? Buck?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Okay, So let's just pretend that the Jets, the New
York Jets, get the number one overall pick. Yeah, And
I don't know without finishing all the reports if there's
a quarterback that is worth being the number one overall
pick and next year's draft. So how do you if
you're airing Glynn and you're tasked with finding a franchise quarterback,
look at that draft class, knowing your harder parts, there's good,
(24:02):
but there may not be special. Do I go and
take one of those guys because the world says we
have to? Or do I find one of these reclamation
projects and think that I can continue to get the
reclamation project to play at the level that he's playing
at Somewhere else You're.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Gonna see guys doing both. To be really honest with you,
But at the end of the day, I look at
the quarterback list like from last year, and everyone's talking
about what a great quarterback class. This was gonna be
And now I have no idea, you know, or you
(24:38):
know Archie. Archie needs to go back and get get
a thousand reps and he might be the guy there,
but that you know, Carson back three years ago is
the guy. Now, I have no idea what he may
or may not be. I watched Mendoza for two games.
He's pretty good player, like out of no worries, but
(24:58):
not a whole lot of mobility. You're anything. But I
think what's really critical, and I think this is the
main point here, Buck, is that, like I really liked
what say Sean Payton did with bow Nix, this is
my guy. I don't care if I get him at
twelve or forty two or three. This is my guy
(25:21):
because he'll work befits my style and I can bring
him along the way I want to bring him along.
Give the Giants some credit, go back and get Jackson
Dark in the first round. You know that's their guy.
But all these guys that go so high and you're
giving up all these draft picks, and you mentioned the
(25:43):
Jets and what they gave up for the kid from
what's his name, Wilson, Zach Wilson. I mean, they gave
up a boat load for him, and the kid has
done nothing. And at the end of the day, Buck
and you guys have heard me say this. If you
(26:03):
don't have a franchise quarterback, you're just another day closer
to getting fired. So head coaches and gms close the
door and they go, well, our guy sucks, maybe this
guy will be better.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Right, And that's probably not the right conversation to take
a guy at three or eight or two or one.
But there's a lot of job pressure on these guys,
bottom line, and you better be you better be selective
about who's going to fit into your building and why.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, I think you better have conviction at the end
of the day if you if you're kind of like
I think, I hope you're probably making as not. But
I think it's going to be fascinating to see who
this next wave of reclamation projects are. We've talked about
it on here before, Mike, but you know, Mac Jones
has kind of shown that he's gonna he's gonna be
somewhere next year with they paid rock Perty, so Mac
Jones is not going to be their guy. So they're
going to have an asset they can flip. You're going
(26:58):
to see Trey Lance, who's spending this time with Jim Harbaugh,
with the hope another high pick who's got a chance to,
you know, reclaim some confidence that maybe he ends up
going somewhere. But that would be my thing if you're
a team picking up there in the top five. I mean, look,
as great as Jackson Dart was or has played, and
he's been more than advertising, they took Abdill Carter when
they had a major need at quarterback and then they
(27:21):
found the right value to take their shot on Dart.
So to me, I think that's a great example of,
you know, make sure you got full conviction here.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
One million percent Djay. And it's funny you guys brought
up Jared Vers a minute ago, and I'm laughing because
this morning I'm watching college edge guys and I don't
know about you guys, but I think this is the
year of like the big powerful edge guy.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yea, you know there's not one of them, the kid
at Miami.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah, Yeah, there's there's the kid at Miami. Did you
do the Alabama kid twenty two? Not yet?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Oh he's he's there's a bunch of guys that play
from the nine all the way in the notes, and
there's a bunch of two hundred and seventy two hundred
and eighty pound edge guys that can kick the three
technique and sub. There's like five of them. But anyway,
I know you don't want to talk about that, and
that's not sexy.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
No, we're getting there.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
We're getting there. We're getting there, Mike. Trust me, you've
been You've been awesome as always. Man, I'm looking forward
to a fun weekend of football. We got to do
this again. We'll do this next month, and then at
that point in time, I'll have seen all the heavy
edge rushers and we can talk whether we should play
him at a five or whether we should kick him inside.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It'll be the podcast, that'll be the entire podcast. You're
the best buddy fellas. All right, there you go, Buck,
Mike Mayock.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Always always great to have him on and uh and
chat it up a little bit. We've got another episode
coming your way tomorrow. Be on the lookout for that
and we'll keep all your football needs taking care of
right here on with the sticks
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