October 21, 2025 • 34 mins
Bucky Brooks and Rhett Lewis return with a fresh episode of Move the Sticks! They kick things off recapping Bucky’s trip to London, breaking down how the Rams and Jaguars approached their overseas matchup differently (0:45). Next, they react to the Monday night doubleheader, with the Lions rolling past the Buccaneers (5:05) and the Seahawks beating the Texans (11:38). Then, it’s time for their Week 8 Rookie Draft (16:29) before highlighting Rams DC Chris Shula as their Coordinator of the Week (27:06).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, it's up, friends, welcome back another episode of Move
the Sticks Off and running.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Here, Redlis, Bucky Brooks with you. DJ is putting his.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Tool belt on, he's got his plumber hat out. He
is fixing some homeowner issues in his house. So he'll
be back later this week. But we are holding down
the fort ear a fun episode after another double header
on Monday night. Now in the books. Plus we've got
our rookie draft coming up. Our Coordinator of the Week
(00:37):
is on the way as well, and there's some really
interesting things to dig into here, Bucky with these Monday nighters.
But you're back from London. Was not a great showing
from the Jacks, but just wanted to jump in.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And a quick touch point on that one.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I am curious because we'll get into this with Coordinator
of the Week. How did you observe the way I mean,
the the Jags are like, you know, old hat at
this going overseas in London, right, I mean, been there,
done that almost every year. It feels like Rams did
something a little bit differently this time around. Kind of
curious just how you saw this process with Liam Cohen
(01:14):
International travel playing the game.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
How it all kind of worked out.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Let me tell you about the RAMS process first, because
the RAMS process was very similar to my process.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So the RAMS, they were in Baltimore. They probably us
all week in Baltimore. Then they go over Friday night
to get their Saturday morning. If you think about it,
rit they basically im reverse a little bit. They basically
just did like a west coast trip, you know what
I mean. Like, rather than doing all the things and
making it a bigger deal, they just said, Okay, we'll
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leave early.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They got their early Saturday. They played on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Local time is a two thirty kick, So if you
get there early, it gives you twenty eight thirty hours
to kind of acclimate and go play. I landed at
five fifty on Saturday night, had to get up. I
was a bit of a fog like that night, go
to sleep, wake up, And in the middle of the game,
(02:08):
I was like, Okay, if I had to play, what
would I do differently? I was like, well, one, I'd
be a little amped up being adrenaline.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I would consume a little caffeine and kind of.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Get going, and you can kind of use your jenne
rush to get through the game. Jackson goes over early
and they're there like a Monday Tuesday, like it's a
long week and you can kind of I want to say,
luy yourself into sleep. But I just felt like the
energy was different from both teams. The Rams were on
it right from the jump, and it kind of felt
(02:38):
like almost like you tell your kids, Hey, this is.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
What we're doing. You can get there, You're gonna have fun,
and we're gonna enjoy it. Right, Yes, we're going. And
that's how they approached it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think it's really interesting kind of talking to us
and folks around the organization. I think it might become
a model what the Rams did for try, especially for
West Coast teams that are kind of breaking it up
right going west to east and then spending time there.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I think science.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Tells you that two days before is some of your
most important sleep for a big event. However, I can
attest to this too, because every Thursday night I'll do
the post game for Prime video. I jump on a
red eye, barely sleep maybe hour hour and a half,
go to whatever college game I'm going to. I stay
(03:26):
up right, I don't take a nap, I stay up
all through.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
The day Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I go to sleep at like seven thirty eight o'clock
on a Friday night. I get ten sometimes eleven hours
of sleep, wake up feeling like Superman on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And that's basically what the Rams did. They traveled overnight, like,
got there on Saturday, quick walk through guys at dinner, Bam,
you get to sleep early.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think some of.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Them, you know, kind of probably woke up in the
middle of the night a little bit, but you're able
to go back, went back to sleep for another few hours,
wake up, and it's like, bang, man, I feel great.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Now let's go play the game. And yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm with it. Rett, So I do that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It Tellian going to Jacksonan it's your same as International
but like Friday night high school game, red Eye, get
the Jacksonville kind of hang out throughout the course of
the day, early bedtime, Saturday, go do the game, and
you just kind of do it. I do believe that
the Rams, because they won, they have established a new
blueprint for how teams are doing it, because I think
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everyone is still trying to figure out how do you
navigate that? And with so many more international games, that
we're playing, you better have a concrete plan for how
you want to approach those games, because you don't want
to give away games just because you're playing out of the.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Country, no doubt. And they're always on the cutting edge shedding.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Sean McVay does such a great job kind of cultivating
information and understanding what his team really needs.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I think, you.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Know, you'll see this in the Coordinator of the Week,
but I think we could have picked either coordinator from
the Rams to be the Coordinator of the Week this week.
You know, Micha Laflora with what he did coming up
with that game plan without Pukainakua.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And then you'll see a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
We'll get to Chris Shula in just a moment, but
let's get back to the Monday Nighters here in just.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And so let's talk about this in the framework of
what we saw first, right, and this was a Bucks
Lions game in Detroit that the Lions came out absolutely
hair on fire in this game.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I mean, you know, Jamiir.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Gibbs is going off with the explosive runs and for
a team that felt like so much of the league
left them for dead after an awful performance in the
season opener against a pretty dang good Green Bay Packers team.
They have done nothing but improve, get back to their
explosive playways on offense, and I'd love to just get
your overall take and then I kind of want to
(05:44):
dig into something that I think is pretty fun from
the scouting community side in this matchup.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Look, Campbell is the real deal when it comes to
mean the coach.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think the way that he has bounced back from
that awkward introductory pressor to being one of the best
coaches in football. And the thing about it is, I
wish I could say it's to x's and o's is
just I would say the force of nature that he
is when it comes to leadership, this team bounces back
better than anybody perform us.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They get right back to work.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They know who they are, uh, and they're confident and
that and the thing about them is I'll admit to
dismissed him as a title contender just given the amount
of change that they were experiencing on their staff, but
they're right back to it.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
And when they ever get backed into a corner.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Physicality and toughness bully ball comes back to the forefront,
and they're able to impose their will on opponents offensively
and defensively.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think there's just a there's a there's a toughness
quotient here that's not just like physical physical toughness, which
they certainly have, right. You see it in the trenches,
offensive defensive lines, you see in the linebacker group, really
all over the place Monrose Brown, right, But I think
there's like a mental grit to this team that we
talk about a lot that I think is pretty important
(07:03):
as well. And just kind of wanted to go over
a couple of things on that front, and I'll do
it by kind of just outlining a few things about.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Where the I can pull it up. Stand by here
we go.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So just to get let folks understand, you know, who
they were without on defense, right, So let's talk about that.
First Kirby Joseph terrific safety out Terry and Arnold, first
round corner out DJ Reed, another corner on ir out
Brian branch Nickel, dude one of the best in the league. Suspended. Okay,
(07:39):
So a Meek Robertson who's been a good player for
them since coming over from the Raiders. You know is
is and it is a prominent player for them as well.
Is one you know who I think played pretty dang
good in this game. But can we talk for a
second about D two Saginaw Valley State's finest, Nick Whiteside,
(08:00):
playing in some of his I mean some of his
first extended action in the NFL since coming over following
the twenty three collegiate season, signed as an undrafted free
agent by Washington. This is a guy you know who, look,
if you're looking for tape, if you're looking for you
got to search right from our perspective at this point.
But I think this goes to show you and this
(08:21):
is the guy who did not allow a single catch
in this game if you take the screen pass that
went for a touchdown out which I'm not really going
to put on a corner at this point, but is
a dude that had thirty tackles his final season, a
couple of interceptions twelve career interceptions at Saganaw Valley State
from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three. Give me a
(08:42):
sense of as a scout buck, how you go about
and cultivate evaluations on players at the D two level
knowing that there's so much less available to you in
terms of information. Obviously you're gonna be able to find
the tape, but you got to go to the schools.
I imagine if there's guys that you're identifying, how would
(09:04):
a team go about finding a player like Nick Whiteside
and understanding whether he could play for him?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You know, the main thing is when you're doing the
preliminary stuff and you have to list, his name will
pop up. It's really important that you go into the
school and get your eyeballs on him so you can
see a file. Does he match up I'm looking at
a six foot two hundred pounds defensive back.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Well, that's certainly we have you an opportunity to play.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Then is watching him play on tape he's playing to
does he dominate? Does it stand out on tape that
he's a dominant player at the double? Then a lot
of it from that point is projecting how is he
going to compete against the big boys, all Star games,
those things when he comes to camp.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Does he look like he's out of place or does he?
Is he a guy that kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Steps up and rises to the challenge that he's facing
when it comes to new levels of competition. All those
things there, But I believe, like the believe so much
of it is the personality. Does he have to write
stuff on the inside and we can talk about it.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
In those things, and he has to be able to
give you the right answers.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But then when you see him compete, man, does he
compete and play like his hair as you were alluding to.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, I mean, like, I'm just kind of going back because, look,
I'll be honest with you, I knew absolutely nothing about
this cat, right, I mean, and how could you at
this point? I mean, he was a Great Lakes Intercollegiate
Athletic Conference defensive Back.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, he played in the UFL with the Saint Louis BattleHawks.
I don't remember him at all on the All Star
Game circuit. I could be wrong. It's hard now since
he since he is, you know, a guy who obviously
showed up.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
In a big way.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Anytime you google his name, you're just getting flooded with
articles from like the last month or two. He was
a really good player in the preseason for the Lions,
so they've obviously trusted him. I'm just trying to see
if there's like anything out there I could couldn't see it.
So look, I think again, I love these stories, right.
We love to see guys who you know, are outside
(11:10):
of the construct of like major college football and draft
analysis to like have an opportunity to show up in
a big way.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So I think that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And credit to him right for sticking with it, you know,
going through the NFL, the UFL, back to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And now into a prime role.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He was excellent last night for the Detroit Lions against
the team and on the Bucks that have been pretty
dang good on offense, so that big part of that
Lions win. Let's move to the second game of the night,
which was the Texans and the Seahawks, and I mean
we've changed coordinators now for Houston.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I know they've had injuries.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I know they're still kind of working through the offensive
line and trying to build that thing back up.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Just not working on a consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And look, Joe Mixon, I think being out is a
bigger deal than most people and talking about at this
point because the run game was huge for them last
year and kind of booed them when the past game
was not quite there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Let's start there with what you've.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Seen on that front for an extremely talented quarterback and c. J.
Stroud on this offense just being unable to kind of
find a groove.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, it's the weirdest thing, man, A team that is
so good, particularly on defense, a team that should be
in the conversation as a high end playoff contender, just struggling,
just struggling putting up points. They don't look like a
team with the talent that they have on the rosters
should look. And we can talk about the offensive line
and that stuff, but it just doesn't look like they
(12:38):
are maximizing the talent that they have available, from quarterback
to the running game to the playmakers on the outside.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
The scheme just isn't matching the skill of the players.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And you're right, it's the second coordinator that we are
and I understand that it takes a while for sometimes
it to click, but that was a game last night
that they should the way the defense played should have
been instrument enough for them to win, and not getting
enough from their offense, and so they're giving away games
and they're gonna look up and you're gonna be too
far behind the eight ball to be able to get
(13:09):
back into the conversation. As a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, and to think about this that the Seahawks turned
the ball over five times in this game.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Crazy. I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Odds, the odds of losing that kind of game, just
the odds of losing.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's like ninety nine percent. You turn them all over
five times, you're gonna lose. You just can't do it now,
I mean, truly, it was four times. Okay, there was
an incredibly odd and unique play that I want to
run through because it's one of the longest descriptions of
a play I've ever seen on the NFL's Stats and
Information website. So I'm going to read this to you
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if you remember it from the second quarter. It was
a play that looked like a safety ended up being
a touchback. So here's how it sounded.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was the second and ten from the Houston twenty
four right, So from the minus twenty four Houston with
the football second quarter, about ten minutes and thirty seconds
to go in the second quarter, C J. Stroud sacked
back at the twelve yard line, loss of twelve by
Ernest Jones. Ernest Jones forces a fumble, It's touched at
the Houston five yard line and recovered by Houston's Braxton
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Burrios eight yards deep in the end zone. Burrios then
touched down in the end zone. Safety Ernest Jones is
the one who then ends up touching him gets credit
for the safety. There's a penalty on Xavier Hutchinson for
a legal shift. All right, that's declined, right, who cares?
Replay official comes in, They review the loose ball recovery,
ruling play was reversed. Stroud is then this is how
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it should read. Stroud sacked at the Houston twelve by
Ernest Jones. Forced fumble by Ernest Jones recovered by Seattle's
Drake Thomas at the Houston five. So they said that
Seattle actually gained possession of the football at the Houston five.
Drake Thomas then returns that fumble four yards to the
Houston one. What he marks. Then the Houston running back
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forces the fumble. It's touched one yard deep into the
end zone, recovered then by Braxton Burios of the Texans
at the Houston. Well, let's call it eight yards deep
in the end zone. He's then down for a touchback
instead of a fumble recovery. We then enforced the penalty
illegal shift five yards at the Houston twenty four. All
that to say, no play.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
So much, so much.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
A second and fifteen from the Houston nineteen after the penalty,
Stroud quick throw Nico Collins gain of three, and it's like,
what in the world just happened. That kind of explains
the day, the night, and maybe the year for the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know, look, you just.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Talk about anything and everything that can go awry that's
going to wrap for this team, and it's really unfortunate
that they haven't been able to kind of right the ship.
But here's where I take solace in the Texas and
why they always can climb back into it. You can
made the case of the best defensive is the way
that we play what they're able to do in those things,
and that defense can keep them in games and makes
(16:03):
them a tough out against any opponent. I promise you
they don't even have to become an elite offense. If
they can just have a competent offense.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
They have a chance of being able to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And so you hope they find this stride down the
stretch and they're able to kind of make amends for
some of the games that they've kind of stumbled and
following this early in the year.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'd say the same thing on
that front. Okay, So with that we have covered the
two Monday night games, Let's get to our rookie draft.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
DJ did say that there was a pipe issue in
his house.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I think he may just.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Be, you know what, waving the white flag with this
thing in the rookie draft.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I think that's probably what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean, his running back scored point five points in
this in this week, Trey Bon Henderson. He was going
for the going for the gusto, trying to hope or
breakout day from Trey com Uh. He had Matthew Golden
as his receiver. He got seven points. Tyler Warren, I
think he took with the first pick, if I'm not mistaken,
trying to steal him from me, you know, hitting in
(17:13):
second place points in the tight end. So I think
this might be the first week that that Warren did
not win the rookie tight end battle. You had Harold
Fannin got you third place. DJ talked me into Arondez
Gadsden Junior. He had a monster game. Monster Game, a
Monster game. I'm looking at the numbers lacross. I'm like,
(17:37):
you've got to be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, Ronde Gasson is playing like his dad, Like he's
just going coming on the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, and look, you you got a big time payoff
for sticking, sticking with your your loyalty here and going
with Travis Hunter's first career tuddy right, first career one
hundred yard game.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean you know where Ritt, you know what
that was. That was a a anty C football play.
You know what I'm saying. The game is a right
But in the fourth quarter, three minutes left, we're celebrating
all touchdowns at all big plays.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And so if he gets if he gets eighty.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Of those yards three minutes of the game, no one
cares because all we must care about outcomes, not processes.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, it's it's been really fun to watch, you know,
some of these guys. And I think, you know, for Hunter,
I did think we saw some more of the things
that you know, a little bit more of that downfield
targeting that you know we saw from him when he
was playing receiver at Colado. Maybe we'll see a little
bit more of that moving forward, but it was at
least fun for Jaguars fans to get a glimpse right
(18:40):
of what that was.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Here's what's going to happen because the Jaguars have a
drops problem and the only person who is catching the
ball consistently is Travis Hunter. I will imagine after they
do a little self reflection and evaluation, Travis Hunter will
be the number one receiver for the Jaguars going down
the stretch. I think you'll see more walls hit his way.
You see him at all a wide receiver. He lays
(19:05):
some dB, but I think you go see an all
out effort to that. This guy gets tamplus targets a
game and gets enough touches to have an impact.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
On the game, no question.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So clearly, Travis Hunter winning the wide receiver sweepstakes got
you three points. You got a point from Ashton Genty
as well, even though he only accumulated four point four points.
I guess tells you how bad the rookie running back
room was this week. I ended up getting the win
in the running back room with Cam Scataboo's eighteen point
four points with Theronde Gadsden, and then I came in
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third in the wide receiver, so didn't get a point there,
So I win the week six points. Bucky comes in
second with four, brings our totals to Bucky at twenty three,
DJ at twenty eight, which is why he's I think
quitting on the rookie draft and perhaps this podcast as
a whole, we don't know. And then here I sit
at thirty three, now five points out in So with.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That, because you talked about people stealing the Rams process
after having so much success in London, I get to
feel like, Ritt, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
How much do you spending on this staying drafting? Like
how much time?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Maybe maybe more than I should should.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You're deeply invested.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Look, you're using all of the PFF stats and all
these things.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And all of the tools available on their website.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You just kind of strike me as how you do anything,
that's how you do everything, And so I feel like
you're all in on trying to make sure that you're
dominating this thing, and maybe just maybe the Brooks, the
Brooks team needs to spend a little more time.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
In the preparation phase when it comes to it, because.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You are definitely all the way in on the rookie draft.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, look, you know, I was with a with a
team a couple of weeks ago in my college work.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
That said, oh, look, the quarterbacks play is slipped a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And it's you know what it is, it's time to
refocus on the process of preparation, and that's what we
need to kind of write the ship here a little bit.
He comes out in the next game and go twenty
seven to thirty three for a touchdown, and you know,
I think that's that's maybe a lesson for you. You know,
it's just like back to refocus on the press.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You know, we can get back, we can get back
to making sure that preparation is everything. Yeah, failing to
prepare is preparing to fill all of those old adages
that we've heard coming up in a long way.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, let me let me outline the bye weeks here,
because we do have a few. So you're gonna have
to be without Travis Hunter, no Jags, no Ash and genty,
with the vague with the Raiders on buy. I'm not
sure we have anybody there at Arizona, Detroit, nothing really
with Seattle, nothing really with the Rams. So I think
it's really just Jacksonville and Vegas, and I believe Bucky
(21:48):
that you sir, let me be sure have the first pick.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yes, you do. It's gonna go Bucky, It'll go me.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
DJ.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You'll get back to back so with picks three and four. Uh,
and then we will go from there. And Avin is
going to be typing DJ's picks in the chat, so
I'll announce those once we get him. But Bucky, you
are up first with the first overall pick in this
week's rookie draft.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, look, it's easy, man, because I'm gonna do what
what DJ did last week. I'm gonna take Tyler Warren
because I feel so strong about him. I'm not I'm
not going to give you a break and be like, oh,
run the gas and he's gonna go that way.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Nope, I'm just gonna hold him. I'm a handcuff him.
Tyler Warren.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Uh, maybe the top playmaker for maybe the team in
the league.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And okay, okay, oh maybe maybe I think that's a
that's a fair assessment at this point. Okay, I think, uh,
you know, just looking at and where we're at in
the running back group, you know, I think there's a
strong case to be made for quin John Judkins. You
know he's on the road this week going up against
New England, and then you've got Cam Skataboo going on
(22:53):
the road against the Eagle. So two tough defenses for
a couple of rookie running backs. Man, that's gonna be
a hard one for me. Giants and Eagles, Browns and Patriots,
Battle of Ohio State rookie running backs. Actually in that matchup,
he Trevon Henderson, who has not done a whole lot.
(23:14):
I think at this point I'm going to move off
camp Scataboo. I can't imagine the Eagles You're going to
let that du bang his head on this on the
goalpost another three times like he did two weeks ago.
I just can't imagine that that's going to happen. So
give me quinch On Judkins for the Cleveland Browns to
be my number two pick, which means DJ is up
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with back to back picks. All right, he's going to buka. Okay,
So taking a rookie receiver off the board and then
scatting pretty good choices, pretty good choices.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh yeah, scatterbo huh yeah, why would you do that?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Gavin?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, So that's going to come back to me now,
and that means I got to.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Get my receiver.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
All right.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Let's see, am I gonna go back to.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Am?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I gonna go back to Temac tenor Er McMillan was
not great this last week for the Panthers, and Bryce
Young is probably out this week with the high ankle spring.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So that's that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Here, let's see if there's somebody else that is piquing
my interest here. I think.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think I'm gonna have to go back to the
well with with Uh. I think I'm gonna have to
go back to the well with Ronde Gadston uh and
just get the get the best next best option here
and get him off the board.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So I will take Gadston with this pick, which will
bring you back up Bucky Abuca, Judkins, Scataboo Gadsden off
the board. You, sir, need a running back in a
wide receiver. You get back to back, oh, back to
back picks. That's interesting, all right, So let's go. Even
though you're down, you're down on T Mac. I feel
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like T Mac is gonna be okay. So I'm gonna
go with tedor ROAMG. Miller and I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Make sure that I say his entire name because his
mom cornered me in an elevator and not Oh gosh,
it's not happy with me.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, so I gotta make sure I give his name. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Now running back is a little tricky because no Ashton
t Yeah, r J. Harvey is barely getting run not
really making an impact. My guy Henderson with New England
is not really being what we thought he would be.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Two carries five yards is not good enough. Maybe we
just go with R J. Harvey because the Broncos and
I don't know, I'm kind of so we have to
go just hoping do it. He didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
He gave me nothing four carries your yards last week,
so I'm just gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I mean, Bill crossky Merritt would have been another one,
but yeah, let's.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Let's do Mark because he had thirteen New York.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We go Bill Crosskey Merritt his BUCkies pick at the
running back spot. So that gives you Bill krossky Merritt.
That gives you Tyler Warren and Teteroa McMillan.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Not a great lineup, but we'll see maybe it's maybe
it's great, and wat.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Great I'm going to finish this one out by going
choosing my receiver as Tz Johnson, knowing that Mike Evans
is probably done for most of the rest of the
regular season broken clavicle at Buka is still a little
bit hampered with the hamstring. Chris Godwin has been out.
T has caught a nice screen pass for a touchdown
in this game, So give me Tes Johnson. And then
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Gavin says, DJ's going to go with Harold Fannin to
close out the tight end spot for DJ, which means
he will have ed Buca, Scataboo and Fannin, so we
might have.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
A battle of Bucks wide receivers rookie wide receivers here watch, Okay,
So that's our rookie draft right there, and when we back,
we'll have our coordinator of the week. All right, time
for Hot or Not brought to you by with Sabi
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Speaker 2 (27:10):
You talking coordinator of the week. And as I mentioned before,
felt like we could have chosen either of the Rams coordinators.
Offensive coordinator Michael Floor engineering and offensive game plan obviously
called by Sean McVay. But five touchdowns from Matthew Stafford
without the league's do everything leading reception receiving yards, a
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guy in Puka to Kua out with the ankle, so
Puka Takua down. They get first career touchdowns from a
Canada Mumfield and also from Terrence Ferguson, just continuing to
find ways to attack Jacksonville Jaguars defense and do so
without really their best player on offense outside of Stafford,
which was I thought pretty cool. But we are going
to give the nod for defensive coordinator for coordinator of
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the Week to the Rams defensive coordinator Chris Shula, who
has had that outfit absolutely hum in the last couple
of weeks and wins over Baltimore and Jacksonville before we
get into those two games, and really this last game
in the win over the Jags. A quick background on
Chris Shula. Obviously you know the name, right, grandson of
the late great Don Shula.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Chris's dad, Dave Shula, also.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
A head coach in the league for Cincinnati, coached with
his dad Don there in Miami, and I believe this
to be true, the only third generation coach to coach
in a Super Bowl. So obviously Don, Dave and Chris
All coaching in a Super Bowl, And I mean, that's.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Football royalty right there with your last name.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I think Chris has done a phenomenal job, Bucky,
establishing who he is right as a coach, building his
own identity, and he's done that now as the Rams
defensive coordinator, getting promoted into that role in twenty twenty
four when where he Morris left. He'd been with the
Rams twenty seventeen as an assistant linebackers coach outside linebackers coach.
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He and Sean McVay, of course, were college teammates, roommates
at Miami of Ohio. Look, it had been with the
then San Diego Chargers before joining Sean McVay with the
Rams was also the defensive coordinator at John Carroll University.
Obviously everyone knows that name in terms of hotbed for
coaches in twenty fourteen. And then, I mean, this is
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probably the reason for his success, Bucky, if we really
think about it. But was a defensive grad assistant at
Indiana University eleven twenty thirty. All right, I mean like
that's probably where it all started, that's right, is new.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
The new cradle of coaches, That's right? Not Miamiyo, not
mimi Yo, Indiana.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Not John Carroll.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's right, John Carroll, not all those things.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I will say this, having watched the defense play at
unbelievable level, a few different things that you tacked with
doing a few of the defensive coordinated for the Rams
is making do with a bunch of young players that
may not all be first round talent, but putting together,
putting them on the field and find.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
A way to have a great defense.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
When you look at the Rams and to see it
up close and personal, man, they are hard playing bunch.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
They have an edge to them that they play with.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
They get after it and from a schinmatic standpoint, man,
they give you a lot of volume that you have
to do it. So for Shula to be able to
do all the different things that they do, you got
to be a great teacher in terms of getting everyone
on the same page with the scheme, and then you
have to be a master player developer. They have so
many young players contributing right away. I know they believe
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in their model and the kind of character guys that
they bring in in terms of like their football character.
But it's a lot to be the puppeteer to kind
of get everyone playing at the right level.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It was a very impressive performance, but it's one of
many impressive performances that we see from the Rams defense.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Look, and I think we all talk about the talent
that they've you know, developed upfront, right, drafted and developed, right,
you know, from Kobe Turner to Byron Young and then
of course you know the tag team picks a year
ago at Jared Versu and Braden Fisk. But I think
you know, when you they've found ways to identify players
that they can win with at the second level, right,
Guys like Nate Lammon, who's just been you know, the
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unrestriction free agent. It comes over from the Falcon's Omar
Spates undrafted free agent. Right, These were you know, for
all intents and purposes, you know, compared to others that
are starting in the league, like scrap heat, guys that
they have brought in, identified a talent and a skill
set and then developed and put them in positions to
accentuate those skill sets make plays for them. I mean,
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Laman's making like ten tackles a game right now. He's
going to be way up there at the end in
terms of tackle leaders. And then you know, again beyond
the day one day two draft picks in the secondary. Yeah,
Cam Kitchens with a third round pick, but Sam Curle
comes over from Washington, Kobe Durant, fourth round pick, Quentin Lake,
sixth round pick, Darius Williams, you know, you knew from
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you know, kind of left the Rams, went to the Jacks,
back to the Rams here. I mean, like they that
to me is some of the more impressive stuff that
they've done is from an evaluation standpoint, finding guys you
know that in some of those like lower lower rounds
of the draft or in free agency that have been overlooked,
and then figuring out how.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Best use them, right, you know, like that's that to
me has been really impressive.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, I'm just telling you that the whole, as they
would call it in the building, their own ecosystem, the
way they get down there, they just they don't make excuses.
They look, they play with who shows up, They find
a way to get it done, and the standard remains high. Obviously,
I want to give a lot of credit to Sean McVay,
but I have to give credit to the coordinators and
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the position coaches on the respective size of the ball
because they understand what the challenge is to get young
players ready to play.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
They embrace it.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
They well and they're okay living with some of the
mistakes or growing pains that you have to endure of
young gas playing in prominent rules.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yep, great point.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And look they I mean, they're way up there in
DVOA if you're into that in terms of how you
judge defenses over the last two weeks, what they did
against Baltimore and then absolute clinic against Trevor Lawrence and
the Jags this week. Despite the Travis Hunter one hundred
yard game at the end, as we.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Talked about it, acounts it does all right.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
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Speaker 3 (33:39):
And that's going to do it for this episode of
Move the Stix.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
But we're with you for a few more episodes later
this week, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And maybe Djail'll be back.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Maybe we could pull him out of his depression from
the rookie draft, you know, because he's a front runner.
You know, if he's not in first, you know, it's
like he it truly is the Ricky Ricky b first
or last.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, he's having a tough time, you factor, what's going
on with the rookie draft and then heaven hell the Dodges,
the Dodgers in the World Series again. So he's just
having a tough time. It's not it's not a great
time for him.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Hey, he sends sends your thoughts and prayers out the
DJ guys. Uh, he's going through it and we just, uh,
you know, we need to support him at a time
like this. So we appreciate you guys for supporting moved
the sticks, thanks to Gavin forgetting this thing rolling behind
the proverbial glass today, and I'll look forward to being
back
Speaker 3 (34:28):
With you guys later this week.
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, it's up, friends, welcome back another episode of Move
the Sticks Off and running.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Here, Redlis, Bucky Brooks with you. DJ is putting his.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Tool belt on, he's got his plumber hat out. He
is fixing some homeowner issues in his house. So he'll
be back later this week. But we are holding down
the fort ear a fun episode after another double header
on Monday night. Now in the books. Plus we've got
our rookie draft coming up. Our Coordinator of the Week
(00:37):
is on the way as well, and there's some really
interesting things to dig into here, Bucky with these Monday nighters.
But you're back from London. Was not a great showing
from the Jacks, but just wanted to jump in.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And a quick touch point on that one.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I am curious because we'll get into this with Coordinator
of the Week. How did you observe the way I mean,
the the Jags are like, you know, old hat at
this going overseas in London, right, I mean, been there,
done that almost every year. It feels like Rams did
something a little bit differently this time around. Kind of
curious just how you saw this process with Liam Cohen
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International travel playing the game.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
How it all kind of worked out.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Let me tell you about the RAMS process first, because
the RAMS process was very similar to my process.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So the RAMS, they were in Baltimore. They probably us
all week in Baltimore. Then they go over Friday night
to get their Saturday morning. If you think about it,
rit they basically im reverse a little bit. They basically
just did like a west coast trip, you know what
I mean. Like, rather than doing all the things and
making it a bigger deal, they just said, Okay, we'll
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leave early.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
They got their early Saturday. They played on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Local time is a two thirty kick, So if you
get there early, it gives you twenty eight thirty hours
to kind of acclimate and go play. I landed at
five fifty on Saturday night, had to get up. I
was a bit of a fog like that night, go
to sleep, wake up, And in the middle of the game,
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I was like, Okay, if I had to play, what
would I do differently? I was like, well, one, I'd
be a little amped up being adrenaline.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
I would consume a little caffeine and kind of.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Get going, and you can kind of use your jenne
rush to get through the game. Jackson goes over early
and they're there like a Monday Tuesday, like it's a
long week and you can kind of I want to say,
luy yourself into sleep. But I just felt like the
energy was different from both teams. The Rams were on
it right from the jump, and it kind of felt
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like almost like you tell your kids, Hey, this is.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
What we're doing. You can get there, You're gonna have fun,
and we're gonna enjoy it. Right, Yes, we're going. And
that's how they approached it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I think it's really interesting kind of talking to us
and folks around the organization. I think it might become
a model what the Rams did for try, especially for
West Coast teams that are kind of breaking it up
right going west to east and then spending time there.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I think science.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Tells you that two days before is some of your
most important sleep for a big event. However, I can
attest to this too, because every Thursday night I'll do
the post game for Prime video. I jump on a
red eye, barely sleep maybe hour hour and a half,
go to whatever college game I'm going to. I stay
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up right, I don't take a nap, I stay up
all through.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
The day Friday.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I go to sleep at like seven thirty eight o'clock
on a Friday night. I get ten sometimes eleven hours
of sleep, wake up feeling like Superman on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And that's basically what the Rams did. They traveled overnight, like,
got there on Saturday, quick walk through guys at dinner, Bam,
you get to sleep early.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I think some of.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Them, you know, kind of probably woke up in the
middle of the night a little bit, but you're able
to go back, went back to sleep for another few hours,
wake up, and it's like, bang, man, I feel great.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Now let's go play the game. And yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I'm with it. Rett, So I do that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
It Tellian going to Jacksonan it's your same as International
but like Friday night high school game, red Eye, get
the Jacksonville kind of hang out throughout the course of
the day, early bedtime, Saturday, go do the game, and
you just kind of do it. I do believe that
the Rams, because they won, they have established a new
blueprint for how teams are doing it, because I think
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everyone is still trying to figure out how do you
navigate that? And with so many more international games, that
we're playing, you better have a concrete plan for how
you want to approach those games, because you don't want
to give away games just because you're playing out of the.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Country, no doubt. And they're always on the cutting edge shedding.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Sean McVay does such a great job kind of cultivating
information and understanding what his team really needs.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And I think, you.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Know, you'll see this in the Coordinator of the Week,
but I think we could have picked either coordinator from
the Rams to be the Coordinator of the Week this week.
You know, Micha Laflora with what he did coming up
with that game plan without Pukainakua.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
And then you'll see a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
We'll get to Chris Shula in just a moment, but
let's get back to the Monday Nighters here in just.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And so let's talk about this in the framework of
what we saw first, right, and this was a Bucks
Lions game in Detroit that the Lions came out absolutely
hair on fire in this game.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I mean, you know, Jamiir.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Gibbs is going off with the explosive runs and for
a team that felt like so much of the league
left them for dead after an awful performance in the
season opener against a pretty dang good Green Bay Packers team.
They have done nothing but improve, get back to their
explosive playways on offense, and I'd love to just get
your overall take and then I kind of want to
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dig into something that I think is pretty fun from
the scouting community side in this matchup.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Look, Campbell is the real deal when it comes to
mean the coach.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think the way that he has bounced back from
that awkward introductory pressor to being one of the best
coaches in football. And the thing about it is, I
wish I could say it's to x's and o's is
just I would say the force of nature that he
is when it comes to leadership, this team bounces back
better than anybody perform us.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They get right back to work.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
They know who they are, uh, and they're confident and
that and the thing about them is I'll admit to
dismissed him as a title contender just given the amount
of change that they were experiencing on their staff, but
they're right back to it.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
And when they ever get backed into a corner.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Physicality and toughness bully ball comes back to the forefront,
and they're able to impose their will on opponents offensively
and defensively.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I think there's just a there's a there's a toughness
quotient here that's not just like physical physical toughness, which
they certainly have, right. You see it in the trenches,
offensive defensive lines, you see in the linebacker group, really
all over the place Monrose Brown, right, But I think
there's like a mental grit to this team that we
talk about a lot that I think is pretty important
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as well. And just kind of wanted to go over
a couple of things on that front, and I'll do
it by kind of just outlining a few things about.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Where the I can pull it up. Stand by here
we go.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So just to get let folks understand, you know, who
they were without on defense, right, So let's talk about that.
First Kirby Joseph terrific safety out Terry and Arnold, first
round corner out DJ Reed, another corner on ir out
Brian branch Nickel, dude one of the best in the league. Suspended. Okay,
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So a Meek Robertson who's been a good player for
them since coming over from the Raiders. You know is
is and it is a prominent player for them as well.
Is one you know who I think played pretty dang
good in this game. But can we talk for a
second about D two Saginaw Valley State's finest, Nick Whiteside,
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playing in some of his I mean some of his
first extended action in the NFL since coming over following
the twenty three collegiate season, signed as an undrafted free
agent by Washington. This is a guy you know who, look,
if you're looking for tape, if you're looking for you
got to search right from our perspective at this point.
But I think this goes to show you and this
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is the guy who did not allow a single catch
in this game if you take the screen pass that
went for a touchdown out which I'm not really going
to put on a corner at this point, but is
a dude that had thirty tackles his final season, a
couple of interceptions twelve career interceptions at Saganaw Valley State
from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three. Give me a
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sense of as a scout buck, how you go about
and cultivate evaluations on players at the D two level
knowing that there's so much less available to you in
terms of information. Obviously you're gonna be able to find
the tape, but you got to go to the schools.
I imagine if there's guys that you're identifying, how would
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a team go about finding a player like Nick Whiteside
and understanding whether he could play for him?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You know, the main thing is when you're doing the
preliminary stuff and you have to list, his name will
pop up. It's really important that you go into the
school and get your eyeballs on him so you can
see a file. Does he match up I'm looking at
a six foot two hundred pounds defensive back.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Well, that's certainly we have you an opportunity to play.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Then is watching him play on tape he's playing to
does he dominate? Does it stand out on tape that
he's a dominant player at the double? Then a lot
of it from that point is projecting how is he
going to compete against the big boys, all Star games,
those things when he comes to camp.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Does he look like he's out of place or does he?
Is he a guy that kind of.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Steps up and rises to the challenge that he's facing
when it comes to new levels of competition. All those
things there, But I believe, like the believe so much
of it is the personality. Does he have to write
stuff on the inside and we can talk about it.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
In those things, and he has to be able to
give you the right answers.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But then when you see him compete, man, does he
compete and play like his hair as you were alluding to.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, I mean, like, I'm just kind of going back because, look,
I'll be honest with you, I knew absolutely nothing about
this cat, right, I mean, and how could you at
this point? I mean, he was a Great Lakes Intercollegiate
Athletic Conference defensive Back.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Of the Year.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, he played in the UFL with the Saint Louis BattleHawks.
I don't remember him at all on the All Star
Game circuit. I could be wrong. It's hard now since
he since he is, you know, a guy who obviously
showed up.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
In a big way.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Anytime you google his name, you're just getting flooded with
articles from like the last month or two. He was
a really good player in the preseason for the Lions,
so they've obviously trusted him. I'm just trying to see
if there's like anything out there I could couldn't see it.
So look, I think again, I love these stories, right.
We love to see guys who you know, are outside
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of the construct of like major college football and draft
analysis to like have an opportunity to show up in
a big way.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
So I think that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And credit to him right for sticking with it, you know,
going through the NFL, the UFL, back to the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
And now into a prime role.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He was excellent last night for the Detroit Lions against
the team and on the Bucks that have been pretty
dang good on offense, so that big part of that
Lions win. Let's move to the second game of the night,
which was the Texans and the Seahawks, and I mean
we've changed coordinators now for Houston.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I know they've had injuries.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I know they're still kind of working through the offensive
line and trying to build that thing back up.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Just not working on a consistent basis.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And look, Joe Mixon, I think being out is a
bigger deal than most people and talking about at this
point because the run game was huge for them last
year and kind of booed them when the past game
was not quite there.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Let's start there with what you've.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Seen on that front for an extremely talented quarterback and c. J.
Stroud on this offense just being unable to kind of
find a groove.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, it's the weirdest thing, man, A team that is
so good, particularly on defense, a team that should be
in the conversation as a high end playoff contender, just struggling,
just struggling putting up points. They don't look like a
team with the talent that they have on the rosters
should look. And we can talk about the offensive line
and that stuff, but it just doesn't look like they
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are maximizing the talent that they have available, from quarterback
to the running game to the playmakers on the outside.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
The scheme just isn't matching the skill of the players.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And you're right, it's the second coordinator that we are
and I understand that it takes a while for sometimes
it to click, but that was a game last night
that they should the way the defense played should have
been instrument enough for them to win, and not getting
enough from their offense, and so they're giving away games
and they're gonna look up and you're gonna be too
far behind the eight ball to be able to get
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back into the conversation. As a playoff team.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, and to think about this that the Seahawks turned
the ball over five times in this game.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Crazy. I mean, the.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Odds, the odds of losing that kind of game, just
the odds of losing.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's like ninety nine percent. You turn them all over
five times, you're gonna lose. You just can't do it now,
I mean, truly, it was four times. Okay, there was
an incredibly odd and unique play that I want to
run through because it's one of the longest descriptions of
a play I've ever seen on the NFL's Stats and
Information website. So I'm going to read this to you
(13:44):
if you remember it from the second quarter. It was
a play that looked like a safety ended up being
a touchback. So here's how it sounded.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was the second and ten from the Houston twenty
four right, So from the minus twenty four Houston with
the football second quarter, about ten minutes and thirty seconds
to go in the second quarter, C J. Stroud sacked
back at the twelve yard line, loss of twelve by
Ernest Jones. Ernest Jones forces a fumble, It's touched at
the Houston five yard line and recovered by Houston's Braxton
(14:13):
Burrios eight yards deep in the end zone. Burrios then
touched down in the end zone. Safety Ernest Jones is
the one who then ends up touching him gets credit
for the safety. There's a penalty on Xavier Hutchinson for
a legal shift. All right, that's declined, right, who cares?
Replay official comes in, They review the loose ball recovery,
ruling play was reversed. Stroud is then this is how
(14:35):
it should read. Stroud sacked at the Houston twelve by
Ernest Jones. Forced fumble by Ernest Jones recovered by Seattle's
Drake Thomas at the Houston five. So they said that
Seattle actually gained possession of the football at the Houston five.
Drake Thomas then returns that fumble four yards to the
Houston one. What he marks. Then the Houston running back
(14:58):
forces the fumble. It's touched one yard deep into the
end zone, recovered then by Braxton Burios of the Texans
at the Houston. Well, let's call it eight yards deep
in the end zone. He's then down for a touchback
instead of a fumble recovery. We then enforced the penalty
illegal shift five yards at the Houston twenty four. All
that to say, no play.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
So much, so much.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
A second and fifteen from the Houston nineteen after the penalty,
Stroud quick throw Nico Collins gain of three, and it's like,
what in the world just happened. That kind of explains
the day, the night, and maybe the year for the
Houston Texans.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know, look, you just.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Talk about anything and everything that can go awry that's
going to wrap for this team, and it's really unfortunate
that they haven't been able to kind of right the ship.
But here's where I take solace in the Texas and
why they always can climb back into it. You can
made the case of the best defensive is the way
that we play what they're able to do in those things,
and that defense can keep them in games and makes
(16:03):
them a tough out against any opponent. I promise you
they don't even have to become an elite offense. If
they can just have a competent offense.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
They have a chance of being able to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And so you hope they find this stride down the
stretch and they're able to kind of make amends for
some of the games that they've kind of stumbled and
following this early in the year.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'd say the same thing on
that front. Okay, So with that we have covered the
two Monday night games, Let's get to our rookie draft.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
And I think, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
DJ did say that there was a pipe issue in
his house.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I think he may just.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Be, you know what, waving the white flag with this
thing in the rookie draft.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I think that's probably what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I mean, his running back scored point five points in
this in this week, Trey Bon Henderson. He was going
for the going for the gusto, trying to hope or
breakout day from Trey com Uh. He had Matthew Golden
as his receiver. He got seven points. Tyler Warren, I
think he took with the first pick, if I'm not mistaken,
trying to steal him from me, you know, hitting in
(17:13):
second place points in the tight end. So I think
this might be the first week that that Warren did
not win the rookie tight end battle. You had Harold
Fannin got you third place. DJ talked me into Arondez
Gadsden Junior. He had a monster game. Monster Game, a
Monster game. I'm looking at the numbers lacross. I'm like,
(17:37):
you've got to be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, Ronde Gasson is playing like his dad, Like he's
just going coming on the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, and look, you you got a big time payoff
for sticking, sticking with your your loyalty here and going
with Travis Hunter's first career tuddy right, first career one
hundred yard game.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, I mean you know where Ritt, you know what
that was. That was a a anty C football play.
You know what I'm saying. The game is a right
But in the fourth quarter, three minutes left, we're celebrating
all touchdowns at all big plays.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
And so if he gets if he gets eighty.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Of those yards three minutes of the game, no one
cares because all we must care about outcomes, not processes.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, it's it's been really fun to watch, you know,
some of these guys. And I think, you know, for Hunter,
I did think we saw some more of the things
that you know, a little bit more of that downfield
targeting that you know we saw from him when he
was playing receiver at Colado. Maybe we'll see a little
bit more of that moving forward, but it was at
least fun for Jaguars fans to get a glimpse right
(18:40):
of what that was.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Here's what's going to happen because the Jaguars have a
drops problem and the only person who is catching the
ball consistently is Travis Hunter. I will imagine after they
do a little self reflection and evaluation, Travis Hunter will
be the number one receiver for the Jaguars going down
the stretch. I think you'll see more walls hit his way.
You see him at all a wide receiver. He lays
(19:05):
some dB, but I think you go see an all
out effort to that. This guy gets tamplus targets a
game and gets enough touches to have an impact.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
On the game, no question.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
So clearly, Travis Hunter winning the wide receiver sweepstakes got
you three points. You got a point from Ashton Genty
as well, even though he only accumulated four point four points.
I guess tells you how bad the rookie running back
room was this week. I ended up getting the win
in the running back room with Cam Scataboo's eighteen point
four points with Theronde Gadsden, and then I came in
(19:35):
third in the wide receiver, so didn't get a point there,
So I win the week six points. Bucky comes in
second with four, brings our totals to Bucky at twenty three,
DJ at twenty eight, which is why he's I think
quitting on the rookie draft and perhaps this podcast as
a whole, we don't know. And then here I sit
at thirty three, now five points out in So with.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That, because you talked about people stealing the Rams process
after having so much success in London, I get to
feel like, Ritt, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
How much do you spending on this staying drafting? Like
how much time?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Maybe maybe more than I should should.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You're deeply invested.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Look, you're using all of the PFF stats and all
these things.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And all of the tools available on their website.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
You just kind of strike me as how you do anything,
that's how you do everything, And so I feel like
you're all in on trying to make sure that you're
dominating this thing, and maybe just maybe the Brooks, the
Brooks team needs to spend a little more time.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
In the preparation phase when it comes to it, because.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
You are definitely all the way in on the rookie draft.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, look, you know, I was with a with a
team a couple of weeks ago in my college work.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
That said, oh, look, the quarterbacks play is slipped a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And it's you know what it is, it's time to
refocus on the process of preparation, and that's what we
need to kind of write the ship here a little bit.
He comes out in the next game and go twenty
seven to thirty three for a touchdown, and you know,
I think that's that's maybe a lesson for you. You know,
it's just like back to refocus on the press.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
You know, we can get back, we can get back
to making sure that preparation is everything. Yeah, failing to
prepare is preparing to fill all of those old adages
that we've heard coming up in a long way.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, let me let me outline the bye weeks here,
because we do have a few. So you're gonna have
to be without Travis Hunter, no Jags, no Ash and genty,
with the vague with the Raiders on buy. I'm not
sure we have anybody there at Arizona, Detroit, nothing really
with Seattle, nothing really with the Rams. So I think
it's really just Jacksonville and Vegas, and I believe Bucky
(21:48):
that you sir, let me be sure have the first pick.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Yes, you do. It's gonna go Bucky, It'll go me.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
DJ.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You'll get back to back so with picks three and four. Uh,
and then we will go from there. And Avin is
going to be typing DJ's picks in the chat, so
I'll announce those once we get him. But Bucky, you
are up first with the first overall pick in this
week's rookie draft.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
What do you got?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Well, look, it's easy, man, because I'm gonna do what
what DJ did last week. I'm gonna take Tyler Warren
because I feel so strong about him. I'm not I'm
not going to give you a break and be like, oh,
run the gas and he's gonna go that way.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Nope, I'm just gonna hold him. I'm a handcuff him.
Tyler Warren.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Uh, maybe the top playmaker for maybe the team in
the league.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
And okay, okay, oh maybe maybe I think that's a
that's a fair assessment at this point. Okay, I think, uh,
you know, just looking at and where we're at in
the running back group, you know, I think there's a
strong case to be made for quin John Judkins. You
know he's on the road this week going up against
New England, and then you've got Cam Skataboo going on
(22:53):
the road against the Eagle. So two tough defenses for
a couple of rookie running backs. Man, that's gonna be
a hard one for me. Giants and Eagles, Browns and Patriots,
Battle of Ohio State rookie running backs. Actually in that matchup,
he Trevon Henderson, who has not done a whole lot.
(23:14):
I think at this point I'm going to move off
camp Scataboo. I can't imagine the Eagles You're going to
let that du bang his head on this on the
goalpost another three times like he did two weeks ago.
I just can't imagine that that's going to happen. So
give me quinch On Judkins for the Cleveland Browns to
be my number two pick, which means DJ is up
(23:34):
with back to back picks. All right, he's going to buka. Okay,
So taking a rookie receiver off the board and then
scatting pretty good choices, pretty good choices.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Oh yeah, scatterbo huh yeah, why would you do that?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Gavin?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, So that's going to come back to me now,
and that means I got to.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Get my receiver.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
All right.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Let's see, am I gonna go back to.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Am?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I gonna go back to Temac tenor Er McMillan was
not great this last week for the Panthers, and Bryce
Young is probably out this week with the high ankle spring.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So that's that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Here, let's see if there's somebody else that is piquing
my interest here. I think.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
I think I'm gonna have to go back to the
well with with Uh. I think I'm gonna have to
go back to the well with Ronde Gadston uh and
just get the get the best next best option here
and get him off the board.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So I will take Gadston with this pick, which will
bring you back up Bucky Abuca, Judkins, Scataboo Gadsden off
the board. You, sir, need a running back in a
wide receiver. You get back to back, oh, back to
back picks. That's interesting, all right, So let's go. Even
though you're down, you're down on T Mac. I feel
(25:09):
like T Mac is gonna be okay. So I'm gonna
go with tedor ROAMG. Miller and I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Make sure that I say his entire name because his
mom cornered me in an elevator and not Oh gosh,
it's not happy with me.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Yeah, so I gotta make sure I give his name. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Now running back is a little tricky because no Ashton
t Yeah, r J. Harvey is barely getting run not
really making an impact. My guy Henderson with New England
is not really being what we thought he would be.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Two carries five yards is not good enough. Maybe we
just go with R J. Harvey because the Broncos and
I don't know, I'm kind of so we have to
go just hoping do it. He didn't.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
He gave me nothing four carries your yards last week,
so I'm just gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I mean, Bill crossky Merritt would have been another one,
but yeah, let's.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Let's do Mark because he had thirteen New York.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We go Bill Crosskey Merritt his BUCkies pick at the
running back spot. So that gives you Bill krossky Merritt.
That gives you Tyler Warren and Teteroa McMillan.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Not a great lineup, but we'll see maybe it's maybe
it's great, and wat.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Great I'm going to finish this one out by going
choosing my receiver as Tz Johnson, knowing that Mike Evans
is probably done for most of the rest of the
regular season broken clavicle at Buka is still a little
bit hampered with the hamstring. Chris Godwin has been out.
T has caught a nice screen pass for a touchdown
in this game, So give me Tes Johnson. And then
(26:39):
Gavin says, DJ's going to go with Harold Fannin to
close out the tight end spot for DJ, which means
he will have ed Buca, Scataboo and Fannin, so we
might have.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
A battle of Bucks wide receivers rookie wide receivers here watch, Okay,
So that's our rookie draft right there, and when we back,
we'll have our coordinator of the week. All right, time
for Hot or Not brought to you by with Sabi
Hot Cloud Storageret Lewis Bucky Brooks back with.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You talking coordinator of the week. And as I mentioned before,
felt like we could have chosen either of the Rams coordinators.
Offensive coordinator Michael Floor engineering and offensive game plan obviously
called by Sean McVay. But five touchdowns from Matthew Stafford
without the league's do everything leading reception receiving yards, a
(27:32):
guy in Puka to Kua out with the ankle, so
Puka Takua down. They get first career touchdowns from a
Canada Mumfield and also from Terrence Ferguson, just continuing to
find ways to attack Jacksonville Jaguars defense and do so
without really their best player on offense outside of Stafford,
which was I thought pretty cool. But we are going
to give the nod for defensive coordinator for coordinator of
(27:54):
the Week to the Rams defensive coordinator Chris Shula, who
has had that outfit absolutely hum in the last couple
of weeks and wins over Baltimore and Jacksonville before we
get into those two games, and really this last game
in the win over the Jags. A quick background on
Chris Shula. Obviously you know the name, right, grandson of
the late great Don Shula.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Chris's dad, Dave Shula, also.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
A head coach in the league for Cincinnati, coached with
his dad Don there in Miami, and I believe this
to be true, the only third generation coach to coach
in a Super Bowl. So obviously Don, Dave and Chris
All coaching in a Super Bowl, And I mean, that's.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Football royalty right there with your last name.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I think Chris has done a phenomenal job, Bucky,
establishing who he is right as a coach, building his
own identity, and he's done that now as the Rams
defensive coordinator, getting promoted into that role in twenty twenty
four when where he Morris left. He'd been with the
Rams twenty seventeen as an assistant linebackers coach outside linebackers coach.
(29:05):
He and Sean McVay, of course, were college teammates, roommates
at Miami of Ohio. Look, it had been with the
then San Diego Chargers before joining Sean McVay with the
Rams was also the defensive coordinator at John Carroll University.
Obviously everyone knows that name in terms of hotbed for
coaches in twenty fourteen. And then, I mean, this is
(29:27):
probably the reason for his success, Bucky, if we really
think about it. But was a defensive grad assistant at
Indiana University eleven twenty thirty. All right, I mean like
that's probably where it all started, that's right, is new.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
The new cradle of coaches, That's right? Not Miamiyo, not
mimi Yo, Indiana.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Not John Carroll.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That's right, John Carroll, not all those things.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I will say this, having watched the defense play at
unbelievable level, a few different things that you tacked with
doing a few of the defensive coordinated for the Rams
is making do with a bunch of young players that
may not all be first round talent, but putting together,
putting them on the field and find.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
A way to have a great defense.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
When you look at the Rams and to see it
up close and personal, man, they are hard playing bunch.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
They have an edge to them that they play with.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
They get after it and from a schinmatic standpoint, man,
they give you a lot of volume that you have
to do it. So for Shula to be able to
do all the different things that they do, you got
to be a great teacher in terms of getting everyone
on the same page with the scheme, and then you
have to be a master player developer. They have so
many young players contributing right away. I know they believe
(30:42):
in their model and the kind of character guys that
they bring in in terms of like their football character.
But it's a lot to be the puppeteer to kind
of get everyone playing at the right level.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
So give him a lot of credit.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It was a very impressive performance, but it's one of
many impressive performances that we see from the Rams defense.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Look, and I think we all talk about the talent
that they've you know, developed upfront, right, drafted and developed, right,
you know, from Kobe Turner to Byron Young and then
of course you know the tag team picks a year
ago at Jared Versu and Braden Fisk. But I think
you know, when you they've found ways to identify players
that they can win with at the second level, right,
Guys like Nate Lammon, who's just been you know, the
(31:23):
unrestriction free agent. It comes over from the Falcon's Omar
Spates undrafted free agent. Right, These were you know, for
all intents and purposes, you know, compared to others that
are starting in the league, like scrap heat, guys that
they have brought in, identified a talent and a skill
set and then developed and put them in positions to
accentuate those skill sets make plays for them. I mean,
(31:44):
Laman's making like ten tackles a game right now. He's
going to be way up there at the end in
terms of tackle leaders. And then you know, again beyond
the day one day two draft picks in the secondary. Yeah,
Cam Kitchens with a third round pick, but Sam Curle
comes over from Washington, Kobe Durant, fourth round pick, Quentin Lake,
sixth round pick, Darius Williams, you know, you knew from
(32:07):
you know, kind of left the Rams, went to the Jacks,
back to the Rams here. I mean, like they that
to me is some of the more impressive stuff that
they've done is from an evaluation standpoint, finding guys you
know that in some of those like lower lower rounds
of the draft or in free agency that have been overlooked,
and then figuring out how.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Best use them, right, you know, like that's that to
me has been really impressive.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Yeah, I'm just telling you that the whole, as they
would call it in the building, their own ecosystem, the
way they get down there, they just they don't make excuses.
They look, they play with who shows up, They find
a way to get it done, and the standard remains high. Obviously,
I want to give a lot of credit to Sean McVay,
but I have to give credit to the coordinators and
(32:51):
the position coaches on the respective size of the ball
because they understand what the challenge is to get young
players ready to play.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
They embrace it.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
They well and they're okay living with some of the
mistakes or growing pains that you have to endure of
young gas playing in prominent rules.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yep, great point.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And look they I mean, they're way up there in
DVOA if you're into that in terms of how you
judge defenses over the last two weeks, what they did
against Baltimore and then absolute clinic against Trevor Lawrence and
the Jags this week. Despite the Travis Hunter one hundred
yard game at the end, as we.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Talked about it, acounts it does all right.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
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Speaker 3 (33:39):
And that's going to do it for this episode of
Move the Stix.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
But we're with you for a few more episodes later
this week, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And maybe Djail'll be back.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Maybe we could pull him out of his depression from
the rookie draft, you know, because he's a front runner.
You know, if he's not in first, you know, it's
like he it truly is the Ricky Ricky b first
or last.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, he's having a tough time, you factor, what's going
on with the rookie draft and then heaven hell the Dodges,
the Dodgers in the World Series again. So he's just
having a tough time. It's not it's not a great
time for him.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Hey, he sends sends your thoughts and prayers out the
DJ guys. Uh, he's going through it and we just, uh,
you know, we need to support him at a time
like this. So we appreciate you guys for supporting moved
the sticks, thanks to Gavin forgetting this thing rolling behind
the proverbial glass today, and I'll look forward to being
back
Speaker 3 (34:28):
With you guys later this week.
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