February 10, 2025 • 39 mins
On the latest episode of Move the Sticks, Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, and Rhett Lewis break down Super Bowl LIX, analyzing how the Eagles executed their game plan to dethrone the Chiefs and prevent a historic three-peat. The crew dives into what went wrong for Kansas City and why they struggled on the biggest stage. Plus, they discuss the rise of Eagles offensive coordinator Kellen Moore, his rumored candidacy for the Saints head coaching job, and the growth he has displayed as a coach.
Move the Sticks is a part of the NFL Podcasts Network.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody, Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky Rhett.
I feel like we were all just together because we
were we were last.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Night watching the watching the Super Bowl. I'm gonna go ahead, Buck.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I felt bad because I was walking out of the building.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
I just read at the desk, just kind of hanging out,
like like when when they.
Speaker 6 (00:24):
Just sitting there there.
Speaker 7 (00:26):
You know, I was doing my best Chris Rose impression
for the the re air of our NFL Game Day Final,
which you know is done live from New Orleans. So
those guys shut the Superdome down. And when that gets
shut down, then I pop up and you hear my
voice every now and then on the re air of
NFL Game Day Finals. So I think I get a
I got a credit for that when it wins an Emmy.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So yeah, rightly, so rightfully.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
By the way, it's time for the lead block, presented
by Team Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing
to go the extra yard. So do you go further
with T Mobile for Business, guys, I'm going open, I'm
going open floor here. We got a chance to watch
the game together discuss the game. But Buck, I'm curious,
now we've had a night to kind of sleep on
it and digest it, what stands out to you the most.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
The thing that sends out is just telling over everything
just as we're debating the two teams leading up to
the thing. I think the back to back champion thing,
the three peat thing, the sixteen or seventeen one score
games and a row thing made everyone scared.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
To go against the Kan City Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
But when you really looked at this and if you
did a tell of the tape, it was decidedly in
the eagles favor.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And last night we were.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Talking, I said, it kind of reminded me of when
Mike Tyson got knocked out by Buster Douglasy was fumbling
around for his mouthpiece, and I'm gonna go even farther
with that analogy. It reminded me of Mike Tyson taken
on the event to Holy Field when he bit his ear.
I felt like we saw the Kan City Chiefs act
out of character because very early in the game they
were over one filmed by the talent disparity between their
(02:03):
team and the Eagles, and I think it played into
the way that they played.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
We've never seen the Kansa the Chiefs look like.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That, well once once once we have and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
And that's what this that's what this felt like. This
felt like a team that did not have answers for
a more talented defensive front. I mean, you know they
I think in the second half we saw him try
to kind of chip a little bit more and a
couple of times actually ended up working against them, you know,
chip the edge into the center, Mahome steps up and
banging the interior. I mean, it was like anything that
(02:39):
they tried, you know. That's what it also felt like too.
It was like, you know, it's like it's you know,
like trying to run up you know, you know, run
up a hill that's got water pouring down it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
It was just like just kind of fighting against it
everywhere everything they did. You know, even though like we
talked about it at the at our halftime show, you know,
like DeAndre Hopkins like it's a shot to put them
in fueld goal range to get some kind of positivity
before the end of the half, and guy with the
most sure hands maybe in the.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
League over the course of his career, loses.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
It, you know, just drops it, and you know that
again that adds to kind of the building frustration that
they go into the half the half with. But I
think ultimately DJ with this comes down to and then
for the purposes of what we do here, just extreme
roster construction in terms of developing and committing to the
defensive front. And that's really what showed up in a
(03:32):
large way. I mean you go down through the line. Mean,
you got three first round picks, which you know is
pretty dang good, right, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith.
The later two obviously the ones that really showed up,
Brandon Lliams, well, Brandy Graham right of course another one
sure as part of the rotation, and then Milton Williams,
Moro Ojamo, You've got Jylex Hunt, who was you know,
(03:53):
like a firecracker coming off the edge, and this one
as a rookie you're throwing Josh Sweaten there as a
fourth round pick.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
And it's just over the course of the last five.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Years, they've just been pounding that dedication to upgrading and
continuing to fortify that front. And I think that's one
of my favorite things when we get to the draft
is when you see teams you know, go in there
and continue to try to upgrade a position that is
already a perceived strength, right, because that's what allows you
(04:21):
to have this kind of depth and talent when you
get into big games like this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh, I want to get to that point.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because Jack, our buddy Jack Android, who does great research,
he had posted this. So think about the twenty four Eagles.
They lost a Hall of Fame center in Kelsey, six
time Pro Bowl defensive tackle in Fletcher Cox, their sack
leader in twenty two and twenty three, and Hassan Reddick.
They and he didn't write this, but they even missed
(04:49):
on Bryce Huff who they paid, and they still had
an abundance of riches of all the guys that you
just mentioned there. So it's never a problem solved, move
on to something else. It is a they are watering
that plant every single year.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It is pass rush as offensive line, and they might
have some other needs, maybe we need to maybe we
need some bushes over it, but you know what, we're
gonna water these We're gonna water these ones every single year.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
And it's not only that, like they're aggressive in everything
that they do because as much as we've talked about
the last day and a half about their offensive and
defensive lines, they've also made bold moves when it came
to upgrading the playmakers that they wanted.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Uh. You saw the trade that they made to acquire
A J. Brown.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
They doubled down by making sure they had an elite
receiver that they drafted early in the draft. And DeVante
Smith you think about now, and Quinnan Mitchell first round cornerback.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
They double up in the second round.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It feels like they've got first and second und players
at every position everywhere.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
They realized what they lost when Chelsea Gardner Johnson departed,
So what they do They bring him back and pay him.
This is a team that I would say for all
of this stuff we talk about, Uh, their bold moved
whatever is, they quickly acknowledge their mistakes and they quickly
worked to repair them.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Let's talk for a moment though, about risk tolerance too,
because that's a part of this equation as well. Right,
you don't get Jalen Carter where they got Jalen Carter.
You know, if you aren't taking into account the entirety
of the player profile, which.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Is everyone knows had some significant things happen off the.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Field with the car situation, but they're able to get
comfortable enough with it and with the player, and they
bring in.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
A support structure to help the player.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
I mean, like it wasn't the same type of risk
with with Nolan Smith, but obviously enough for a talented
player like that to slip to him at the back
end of the first round. There was some risk there.
I mean ended up taking to Kobe Dean in the
third round. I would argue at that point, it's not
a risk. Is a really good player they ended up
getting in the third round because other teams weren't willing
to I think that that part of it too, is
(06:50):
kind of intriguing to see play out on this stage.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well let's let's take those individually. Okay, Yeah, So Jalen
Carter had off the field issues. If you watch j
Carter's tape, he played with passion, energy, fire like and
you talk to people and do your background on him. Yes,
needs to grow up. There's some maturity stuff up. This
guy loves football like he is on the football field,
you'll see him. I remember a play I think it
(07:15):
was against Kentucky where he's chasing a play, you know,
thirty forty yards downfield. So he has some off the
field issues, but he loves football. Nolan Smith didn't have production.
Everybody was panicked, didn't have sack production. Well, if you
look at that situation, start, first of all, he loves football.
This guy plays with energy and passion. He's in a
rotation with the best defense in football where they blow
(07:37):
everybody out. So you're in a rotation, you're only gonna
play half the game anyways, and you're sharing snaps, your
production is not going to be there. You can look
at the whole picture here and see Nakobe Dean. He's undersized,
you know he's undersized. Well, guess what. He loves football again,
passionate leader and it ended up being Look, the size
(07:58):
issue got him this year. Maybe you could say that contributed,
maybe it didn't to his injury. When he was playing,
he was playing lights out. They have collected all these guys,
Buck that are they are football character Like there's we
talk about all the time. There's personal character and there's
football character football character wise on the field. Those guys
that I remember having this discussion, you know, I won't
(08:21):
mention the player, but as a player is going to
go on to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
And that was.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Somebody had told me. A coach of his had said, look,
he's made mistakes. He you know, don't don't. I don't
doubt it for a second. But the threat of having
football taken away from him, you can mean he won't
be able to live without football. He loves football so
much that I think that will correct some of the
behavioral stuff that he struggled with.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yeah, no, it's It's funny because a lot of us
always talk about, like, hey man, you want guys that
love it, that obsess over it.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
They're committed and not just interested in the sport.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
And when you talk about all of those guys, and
I've heard Syrian about it, I've heard other coaches talk
about it, like to play for us, they have to
love ball because what we're going to ask them to do,
you have to love it or you will fully embrace
all of the things that they're gonna ask you to do.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I told DJ read this. You may have been out
of the room.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I talked about watching the Eagles in pregame, and I
remember I was working with the Jags and I remember
coming to one of my colleagues like look at the difference, Like, look,
they're having a practice in pregame with the development of
the practice squad and the young guys, and they are
going when I mean they're coming off the field fully
lathered up. I was like wow on a Sunday. And
(09:37):
so what it told me is they're no Burger eaters
on that team, meaning guys that get on the trip
and just eat all the snacks and they're hanging out
on the sideline.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
They're gonna work.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, everybody has to work.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
And I think neary Nick Sirianne for all the things
that people have kind of taken them to task for
in terms of his personality and all those things, I
believe his pedigree is all over this Eagles team meaning
Mountain Union, three time national champion, played under a great
coach who has a winning tradition. You think about all
the things that he learned along the way, all of
(10:10):
that comes out. Rick Patino talked about how Nick Siriani
in Indianapolis because Nick wanted to know about how to
build a culture a winning environment. How he's always asking
those questions. I think the way that you see this
team play, it is a parent that they have high
standards and they get guys who really relish those standards
(10:32):
and expectations.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I think that's really interesting.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
The other part of this is, you know, we talk
about the players, but I think, you know, we also
need to look at the power of position coaches in
this in this equation too. With the Philadelphia Eagles, you know,
you talk about bringing a group together and you might
be talking about two of the best in the league.
Talking about Clint Hurt who came over in twenty three
(10:57):
to run the defensive line senior defensive assistant and then
obvious Stoutland University with with coach Jeff Stoutland has has
you know, resurrected Makai Becton's career, has developed Jordan Mylotta
into a premier left tackle. You're talking about those interior
guys being a cohesive unit as well, with with Dickerson
and Cam Jurgen stepping in for a legend in Jason
(11:19):
Kelcey and win in a flip in Super Bowl in
the first year without him. Like, I think those two
in particular, not to say that the other guys you know,
don't meet that standard, because they certainly do, but man,
I mean what those guys have done with those units
in particular. Now, look, they've been given great talent, right,
but you got to develop it, and you got to
mold it and you gotta shape it.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I think that's important to know.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I want DJ to bring this up because we talked
about it last night.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
He talked about how they are willing to draft guys
that are on the comp they're not quite fully realize
as prospects, but they understand it may take a year
or two for them to do it, and that I
believe is combined with what they have as a coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
We always talk about coaches.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
In today's game, oh man, guys aren't developing like you
got to have a finished product. The Philadelphia Eagles are
not afraid of coaching unrefined prospects.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
They have a plan.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
In place that if there may be a year or
two out, they're okay with that. All the guys that
you mentioned on the offensive line, those guys weren't ready
to play when they got there, but they afforded the
luxury of sitting a year or two behind a really
good offensive line. To me, is everything that works together.
It's the front office, the coaching staff, and the players.
(12:31):
They all are in lockstep in terms of they know
exactly what they want to get, what fits their environment,
and then their coaches and front office understand how to
maintain that environment.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And also, I mean, I'll give a shout out to
my guy and Jeremia Washington coach, and yeah, he's coaching
the outside linebackers and pass rushers. And think about we
came into the league together as scouts. His dad's a
legendary defensive line coach, but Washed came in as a scout,
so he has a perspective to look at somebody like
Jlex Hunt, or to look at somebody like Nolan Smith
and see, okay, there's work to The tools here from
(13:03):
a scouting standpoint are so rich, and then it's up
to me to develop them and coach them and refine them.
But like, give me those guys all day long. Whereas
I think sometimes traditional coaches we always joke buck they want, hey,
give it to me and clear packaging, already assembled, no
assembly required. I just want to coach scheme. I want
to be able to tell him we're running this stunt.
(13:25):
And when we like, here's Keith like no, no, no, we
got to work on fundamentals. Man, we got to stay
after practice and we got to grind through how you're
getting out of your stance. Like, we've got to work
on those things. And I think I was thinking of
Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn getting the head coaching job with
the Jets. Aaron Glenn started off as a scout. Do
you think that's helped him with some of the pieces
they've added in the secondary in Detroit over the last
(13:47):
few years because he can sign off and say, I
know what that's supposed to look like.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now it's up to me to get it out of them. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, I think the relationship is important in terms of
the scouting and the coaching, making sure.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
They marry up.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
So often we act like both of those operations working
silos when they really should be working together. When it
comes to player acquisition and play a development, they need
to be on the same page.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean, boy, watch these guys were rolling this gosh.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I mean to see again to think about you know,
it's not just that the blue chip talent.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I mean, even though you could argue.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
It was there with guys like Josh Sweat and Jaylex Hunt,
but the fact that they come you know, and.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Like that though yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying
there for that whole ride.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
That is a credit to their development, their commitment to it,
and their passion for it. I think that's a great
point you make about a scouting background, you know, for
a coach and understanding what to look for and then
how you.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Can mold those raw skills right and then make it
into a big time player. So credit I think.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Also I think also Buck is uh if you look
at what's and how he's I mean how he's Look,
he's the best executive in the NFL. I don't know
how you and they can argue against it just now
with what he's done. So but I look at when
you had how we and the Andy Reid influence of
how what Andy believed in core philosophy wise, and then
(15:08):
you incorporate really kind of i'll call the Ravens model
that came in when when Joe d and Andy Widel
came in there and then they kind of mixed this
whole thing together. Wash is there who has experience in
all these different areas they've kind of taken like there's
there used to be kind of oh, you could be
kind of an analytics team or you're like an old
school scouting teast, like they have mixed it all together
(15:30):
and Howie has put it all together where it is
the it's the envy of the league.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
They got somebody, as somebody texted me, they got they
got Sakwan Barkley for.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Gabe Davis Prices. Like, think about that for a second.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I mean not only like that is great, and I
want to go back to what you were talking about
in terms of the best of both worlds, right, And
I can tell you, as someone who didn't grow up
scouting in the Baltimore Ravens system, it was always the
envy of the league when we talked about it because
it's team like they never missed on top picks. And
then you talk about the Eagles and the analytics and
(16:05):
how they were able to mix that in the other
thing that I'm going to talk about in Red alluded
to it when he talked about the coaching, making Sirianni
be the CEO type coach, making him concentrate on being
the head coach as opposed to the head coach, class
play caller and those things. I believe their merits to that,
and I believe that Sirianni deserves a lot of credit,
(16:27):
one for improving as a coach, but two the foresight
that the upper management had and saying, hey, we need
you to learn how to run the entire operation. Your
job is to manage the team. DJ you talked to
me about what they say fundamental days, where they spend
days like things that show up on tape, they fix
(16:50):
the problems.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
You know, we heard in postgame Brandon Graham talked.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
About we didn't have any victory Mondays, and so to me,
I can tell you having been around the team that
had a lot of Mondays off, when you work on
Monday to correct the things that showed up on Sunday,
it allows you to jump on Wednesday, which is the
first practice day of the week, with clarity in terms
of what we need to do and how we need
to get better. This is a team that is not
(17:16):
only a development team when it comes to the long range.
They are an improvement team that each week they try
to take steps to get better.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And we saw it comedy in the championship.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I want to get back to you on that. Talking
about those fundamental days. One of the things that we've
talked about previously is non negotiables right. We did a
whole episode on this in the past about hey, these
are things every team should have that you should have
a spouting philosophy that says we can take them in
different shapes and sizes, but we will not compromise on this,
and you can go position by position. We talk about
(17:47):
you know, Bill Belichick and that presentation. He will not
play with the dumb safety. I don't care for the
most athletically gifted guy in the world if you are
not smart and not play safety for him, not happening.
And what one of the tenants that we've talked about
over the last few years. And it's something to keep
in mind as we go into this draft. And I'll
give I'll give the Chiefs credit on this as well.
(18:09):
Do you want the most underrated thing in scouting right
now is tackling?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Look at the tackling.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, the tackling on the perimeter. And look at Cooper
dejen and his batting average out there in space against
those athletes, and.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Flip it around.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Look at some of the like Nick Bolton and some
of the tackles Chili good.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And that's why I'm I'm sitting here going, oh, you know,
I get paid to cover. Not not anymore, man, not
in this league. If you can't tackle with the way
the past game is horizontally in this league right now,
all this, you know the shell coverage, you better get
some corners that can freaking tackle.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Man, it's funny that you brought that up. When I
was at the East West Shrine game. I didn't get
a chance to talk to PJ. Fleck from Minnesota directly,
but I was listening to a podcast. We were talking
about the things that they've done to punch above their
weight at the University of Minnesota and the things that
they talk about turnovers one. Mis tackling was two because
mistackling leads to explosive plays. And when we looked at
(19:01):
those two teams play, particularly the Eagles who decided we're
not gonna blitz, We're gonna play an umbrella coverage which
required you to tackle in space. Man, it is underrated
the value in having guys on the perimeter that can
get players down in one on one situations.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
You never saw the cancer.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The Chiefs really have those big explosive plays that they
can have with their speed athletes and Xavier Worthy and
Marquis Solery Brown on the horizontal things and that is a.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Testament to their ability to tackle well in space.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Well, look at some of the players you know from
some universities you know that have top flight defenses that
send guys to the league. I mean, you look at
what Tom Allen has done in his career at Penn
State going down to Clemson. It's takeaways, tackling, effort, takeaways,
tackling effort. Kane Wamick at Alabama the same way. Takeaways
tackling and effort, takeaways tackling. So like that, I mean,
and then you find guys that fit those bills. And
(19:52):
obviously the scouts like you can see that when I'm
sure you guys can attest when.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You go to schools like you can see the schools that.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Make the emphasis on that type of fundamental as it
comes to And look, I know it's it's a lot
different now is where you know, we tackle far less,
we talk about it far less, you know, in the landscape.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But for the corner position, I would argue that, well,
I got Bucket's been in the league longer than I was,
but I got in a three and we did literally
have we had conversations that he's a cover corner like
he's he'sn't really tackle.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We were paying him to cover. He's a cover corner.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And now and I you know, my opinion on it
is that just we've seen so many condensed formations and
offensive coaches have gotten so smart and that they are
going to make you the force player and you can't
hide anymore out there on the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It has always been a part of the game. It
has always been a thing.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Like I can tell you going back to when I
was in Jacksonville and we played against the Titans or
the Oils, whatever they would call at the time, with
Eddie George. They would deliberately crack the safeties and make
the cornerback have to tackle Eddie George over and over
and over again.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Tackling has always been a part of it.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And I'm gonna say this because people and some coaches
like to use the lack of practic this time, we're
not putting pads on.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
As an excuse for not having a good tackling team.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
That's not it, man. The fundamentals can be taught without
having the pass on. You have to be committed to
doing time on task to being a really good tackling team.
And it also not only has to be who you
bring in. They need to be good tacklers, but it
has to be a point of emphasis. You can't cut
out three to five minutes of tackling to get some
more scheme stuff. I love what we're was saying, takeaways,
(21:27):
tackling and effort. To me, that's really what it's about.
And we're seeing that the great teams, they all emphasize
those things.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Have no doubt that was now, well, that's a rap
actually for the lead block presented by Team Mobile for Business.
Football means a network will undergo the extra yard. So
do you go further with Tea Mobile for Business. We're
gonna take a quick pause. Let's hit the chief side
of this thing. We haven't hit that title. We'll hit
that right after this. All right, guys, let's jump over
(21:57):
to the other side here the Kansas City chiefs. I'll
give you my quick analogy and uh, you know what,
we'll get into all the things there and where they
go and this you know, sky's not falling Kansas City.
You've got Patrick Mahomes, you've got Andy Reid, you've got
a great defense. We'll get to all that stuff. But
my my image that I had was, you know, if
the super Bowl was on the if the super Bowl
(22:18):
was on the thirtieth floor of a building, the Chiefs
have to use the stairs, man like, they don't have
an elevator anymore like that. That it's hard like And
that's what's incredible what they've done. And they've won all
these games this year, all these one possession games, all
these close games, all these late comebacks, but it felt
like everything was so hard and eventually that wasn't going
(22:41):
to work, you know, And I thought in this game
it was you know they got that was just kind
of exposed in this one. Every single worth that they
had which they had been able to overcome and cover up,
got exposed.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Look, and I think you know, the thing that we're
going to talk about now is how do they rebuild
the offensive line because that that is exactly what got
exposed in their last Super Bowl loss to the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers in the COVID year. And then that's kind
of where we felt like this was going now and
they're gonna have to spend a lot of resources and
(23:13):
was that was that.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The trade for I got to go back and look
that up now, Was that did they trade for Orlando
Brown right after that Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Yeah, that was the first remake, the first iteration of
the remake, right, it was after that.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
And then remember Toney was already.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
There, right, yeah, he's been there.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
He was the free agency signing.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
But it was the tackles that they really redid, and
that's when they went out and got you know, was
it John Taylor right after that too? I felt like
that was not long after right there, and you know,
they spent all that money to go get those guys
in those resources and then you know, fortified the interior
right after that, right, Uh, well with Creed Humphrey and
then and Trey Brown. So they've got to go they
(23:52):
gotta go that route again with.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
The tax traymith, right, what I say, Trey Brown?
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Yeah, you're right. So yeah, I I think that's that's
the one thing.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
And then the other part of it is is like
this you know, kind of slow deceleration from where they were,
uh when they won a Super Bowl before this last run,
right it, which which was a complete you know, I
don't want to say.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Complete, but it was a it was a it was
a total.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Slowing down from the way that they attacked defenses in
the past, right Tyreek kill's gone, We're gonna find a
different way to operate, and they had done that very well.
But when you can't protect, and when you can't you know,
allow your quarterback to make some of those you know,
some of those quicker some of those throws, and allow
your your receivers to make plays with the ball in
their hands.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Like you're just you're not going to.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Have a successful outing at the highest level against top
tier talent.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
And that's just they just didn't have, you know, the
wardaddies to borrow your expression.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
To fight this uh this way, to fight that battle
this way.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
I'll be curious to see how they reinvent themselves with
this one.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Well, look, man, at one, I think the reinvention that
they were able to do, and I'll say this, five Super.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Bowls and six years is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
The only thing, the only thing that I can say
comes close to that is in the same realm as
the Buffalo Bill's going four straight.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I came to the Bills on the heels of that.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
But just the resilience, the competitive stamina, the focus that
you have to have to go back to back to
back like the Chiefs have gone and to think about
five times in six years, it's remarkable. Even though they
have a three and two record in that run is
one of the great runs.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
That we've seen in the National Football League.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
To me, this kind of feels like that pause that
the New England Patriots had after they won three and
four years, where you have to take a reset and
it may take them a while to kind of get back.
Patrick Mahomes would give them a chance, but I think
what we saw they kind of have to bottom out
a little bit and build it back up. They've been
able to kind of patchwork the offensive, the offense for
(25:55):
a little bit, the offensive line and the playmakers. They
got to commit to building this offense up right way
for them to legitimately have a chance to deal with
some of the talented teams that they're going to face
over the next few years. This is a chance for
Beach and Andy Reid to really reset refolks and do it.
And I'm actually glad that they got knocked out and
they didn't lose it on cars because I believe this
(26:17):
gives them a chance to really see where the flaws
and the weakenses are in their team.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I mean, the defense is still in great shape.
I mean, they play they played fine, they stopped the run,
they did what they had to do. They let the
ball go over their head a couple times, but that
was a risk. That was the way they had to
play that game against that Eagles offense. So defensively, they're
still They've got some free agents, but they're still in
a good spot there.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I would say. The hardest thing is tackles are hard
to find. Man, when you're picking thirty, thirty one or
thirty two every year, there's not many of them and
their premium positions and they go so at some point
time and I don't know that this is the right one,
but at some point in time they're going to have
to probably be aggressive and go try and go get one,
(27:00):
like trade up and go get a tackle. Think about
the Eagles, They've had the luxury of having Lane Johnson
as a Hall of Famer, and you just plug it.
You you draft one of those guys in the top five,
and you hit, you set it, you set it and
forget it. Like he's said, like that, you don't have
to worry about that. And then they they struck gold.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Uh you know with my lotta and uh in a
late round on a rugby player and ended up hitting
on that.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But that's it's so hard to do.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So I look at it, you know, doing the Charger
games of gosh, you know, you think, man, the Charger's
got a long way to go to figure out how
to close the gap. I'm like, you know what, they've
got the two tackles, like two young tackles that you
can just set it and forget it. Like they're hard
to find. Man, They're really really hard to find. That's
gonna be the biggest challenge for the Chiefs to me,
and Brett Veach is really really good and he's gonna
(27:46):
he's gonna have to figure out a way to go
address that. They can't they can't run through the tournament.
In my opinion, it's gonna be hard to continually run
through that tournament playing the way they've had to play.
And in hindsight, I know in they said Joe Tounei
was their most valuable player for kicking out to left tackle.
But last night was the first time that I thought
(28:07):
about it, and I thought, you know what, did weaken
two positions? Like if he's a guard, he's really good
at guard, And now we can develop all we can
send all our help, and like I said, it felt
like in this one buck there was these holes in
the boat and they plug one and then there was
water coming out of another one.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You know, there is something to be said for that,
Like in moving someone out, you basically weaken two positions.
Because Tuney's not a natural left tackle and you've given
up what he was as an all pro guard. There's
something they have to consist it. But they have to
fix that. I mean we've said it. I mean for
two years they've had issues on the edges. I mean
it's been a huge issue. They tried to throw money
(28:45):
at it with Juwan Taylor. He certainly, in my mind,
has been a disappointment in terms of what they thought
that he would be on Perimer. They have to fix
that because, look, if number fifteen is uncomfortable, they don't
have a chance. They have to make sure that he
is always comfortable, because if he's comfortable, he can get
it done by himself.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Well, I mean you think about it.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
You know, outside of the twenty one draft, right, which
is when they nailed it on Creed Humphrey in the
second and Trey Smith in the sixth, there's not another
guy that rotates in there that they've hit from the
draft on the offensive line.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Yeah, since twenty one, right, since twenty one or before?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, or before.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
I mean, like we were talking about all the you know,
all the guys that have been on that line for
the Eagles, you know, even prior to that. But I mean, like,
you know, Janie Morris, third round pick in twenty three,
Kingsley Suamantilla, second round pick this year, rookie didn't hadn't
worked out. I don't know if they're ready to close
the book on that yet, but you know, there's some
time there perhaps, But then you know, the other guys
(29:44):
are you know, kind of depth players it was, you know,
Norzad Hanson, Like, you know, it just hasn't hit that
way for them outside of those two guys.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Score really dang good. Let's not take away from that,
but you know.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
There's just not that there's not that that kind of
cupboard full of guys.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, and look, we have to mention it.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I know, he's he's a no doubt first ballot Hall
of Fame are going to go down as arguably the
best player to ever play the position, at least in
the conversation. But Kelsey doesn't have the juice he had,
you know, three years ago, four years ago. So they
need they need to get some more dynamic players to
add to their skill position group. That's that's got to
go along with it. And I would also add had
(30:26):
zero run game, none, and they don't have They don't
have a big time back.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I mean, well that that was the thing.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
They don't have anyone that when we stand up in
the defensive meeting and we talked about, hey, guys, this
week we got the cancy the Chiefs. Who's the running
back that we fear that we have to stop. Look,
they tried it a few years ago, Clyde edwars Allar,
but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
It didn't work out for them.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
They need a big time back that will offset some
of the pressure and attention that you put on Patrick Mahomes.
We've seen it and it's one of the things that
I think will be the theme of the off season.
We can talk about the renaissance of the running backs,
but I would say it's not necessarily just the renaissance
of the back. Is teams that had established quarterbacks paired
them with an established back and it opened up the offense.
(31:08):
Look at the Eagles, look at the Ravens, even look
at the Packers. When you have a marquee back playing
with the marquee quarterback, it makes it nearly impossible.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
For a defense to really come up with the answers
to defense.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
And you know, the last thing I'll say on the Chiefs,
and you know where they're at from a roster standpoint, is,
you know, we also got to take into consideration.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
You know, Rashie Rice was out for pretty much.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's dude, that's a great point.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
That's a that's a huge You could make an argument
as to whether he's not, you know, a wide receiver
one on on.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Every team in the league, but he was on this.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Team, yes, and that's tough to overcome when, like, you know,
you don't just have again another guy like that you
can you could throw in there. Obviously they traded for
DeAndre Hopkins, tried try it just never quite got there.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yea, with hot No, I think that's a great point,
you get. I mean, think about if they can somehow
go find a tackle and free agency, I don't know,
you know, you don't Ronnie Stanley on the back nine.
Maybe he comes in there.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
There's ways you can try and address that, and then
if you get an explosive back, which this draft has
plenty of, you can find your future tight end in
this draft as well. It can look different. There's not
a lot that needs to be done defensively. I mean,
they have a lot of talented young players. Got to
pay some of them, but they're in great shape on
that side of the ball. All right, guys, it's time
for Hot or Not, brought to you by with Sabbi
(32:24):
Hot Cloud Storage Buck. There's only one coordinator in this
game that's gonna leave, and that's Kellen Moore. Looks like
it's gonna be the head coach of the New Orleans
Saints and coming off of a hot performance to say
the least, with the last two games, the NFC Championship
Game and then the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Look, man, I'm gonna say this, I am really really
impressed by the growth that Kellen Moore displayed as a coach.
We always talk about players getting developed, and this is
the developmental league for players, but it's also a developmental
league for coaches. You had a chance to see Kellen
Moore as as a coordinator for the Charges. We all
watched him as the coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, and
(33:02):
I would say that Kellen Moore's growth as a run
game caller in terms of calling the run game, being
creative with the run game and those things, man, it's
going to help him so much going forward as a
head coach and maybe head coach, play caller and those things.
What he was able to do with the Eagles is
I couldn't even imagine how he's gonna be able to
do it because I'm like, man, he's gonna bring the
(33:23):
same playbook that he said other places, they're gonna try
and throw it. It's not gonna match the personnel. And
early in the year he put all the creativity in
the run game as opposed to the passing game. And
this offense, even though the Super Bowl numbers don't reflect it,
their creative running game keeps defensive coordinators up at night
and then it allows them to be a little more simplistic,
(33:45):
but the passing game yet still explosive in both areas.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
Yeah, that's smart, and I think the evolution for Kellen.
You think about this three teams in three years, right
with Dallas to the Chargers and the now to the Eagles,
and man, I think that.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Point soon before. Yeah, I think a lot.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Of times when you start seeing that kind of movement,
you wonder like, all right, is the is the is
the luster coming off a once very shiny object in
terms of the coaching community. But man, he is he
has really found himself in Philly and yeah, I mean
having a generational talent and Saquon Barkley this certainly helps,
and a really good offensive line and the tools to
(34:26):
work with that way. But I think now it's so
valuable for him to really see it and to explain that,
you know, in detail, that formula you know, to Jeff
Ireland and a Mickey Loomis. I'm like, guys, I know
I can win if we find ways to simulate that
type of construction. And the Saints have done in the past,
(34:48):
I mean, arguably had one of the greatest drafts in
history in the Alvin Kamara Draft, Ryan Ramcheck, Marshaun Lattimore,
that whole thing. Like they I'm not saying they can
do that again, but they can find ways to reemphasize
what's important, especially to a Kellen Moore let offense and team,
and we'll see where they.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Go with it.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Jeff Ireland's really good man. He is a good evaluator,
and I think if you give him the instructions buck
like that, that's to me as a great personnel guy,
when you say, hey, this is what we're looking for,
he can go find it.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
No, I think it would be interesting DJ. I'm pretty
sure this was in his background. Kellen Moore's dad was
a great high school coach, yes.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Correct, Yeah, and his brothers a coordinator at Missouri.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah. So like he understands what this is.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
This is not something that I would say is going
to be challenged or daunting in terms of doing it.
What I want to see and this is what I
believe the Saints haven't done. I want to know what
that their identity was. I felt like it was very
clear in a parent for years under Sean Payton what
the New Orleans Saints were about. On O offense, despite
all the stuff with Drew Brees, They're still gonna run
the football when they did best, they were gonna run
(35:48):
the football with multiple backs. They're gonna do it. On defense,
They're gonna be very aggressive. I'm looking forward to seeing
the Saints kind of get back to that because when
I think about the Saints. The first thing I think
about is don't patrol and then whatever they've been on
offense with Drew Brees or whatever, if he can marry
those two things where they have Dome patrol on defense
and that fun offense.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Time me up. I'll be ready to go that.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Don't you disparage the Domet patrol by suggesting that there
could be another There will never be another Pat Swilling
Ricky Jackson, Von Johnson and Sam Mills.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Let me make that perfectly clear.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I just like I just remember seeing the picture that
would hang, the banner that would hang, Uh, is incredible,
just a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
I just there's so much history and energy and.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
That they've got to have a dominant d that Look,
the offense is funded, the screens and the shots that
they were doing with with with Sean Payton was in
you know, Robert Meacham and Dewrie Henderson running sixty yards
downfield virtually uncovered like that.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
That stuff was awesome.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
But man, that don't rocks when that defense is rolling,
and I think that this is an aging defense.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Now.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
Look, Cam Jordan has been one of the best players
in the league. The Mario Davis has been one of
the best players in the league. Can they help you
usher in the new era or do you really have
to tear it down? I think it's I think it's
probably the former. I think they probably help usher it in.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be interesting to
see you. Obviously, we'll wait and get let that announcement
become official. But a nice finish if it is a
finish for Kellam Moore there in Philadelphia. That was this
week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with
Sabi Hot Cloud Storage, store more and do more with
your data.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Try them for free at Withsabi dot Com.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Closing closing statements here buck anything else you want to
add before we get out of here on that Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Football is great like no matter what we say about it,
no matter how those the results end up. Football is
so great like to think about how the season started
and then we watch it finish up with the Eagles
winning the Super Bowl in dominant fashion, all of the
twist and turns through the season to watch it end
of like that is one of the reasons why look, man,
I am a football jockie.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Sign me up for it anytime.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
But now we get to close that chapter and we
get to kind of cast our eyes towards the draft
and the Combine, the draft and all of that as
everyone has completely hit the reset button saying, hey, that
was twenty four. We're ready to go to twin twenty five.
We can win it.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I'm excited about this part in the process.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Bucky, that was beautiful. There ain't no time for nostalgia Indianapolis.
Two weeks today.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Man, the combine is coming down the pipe and hitting
around it. Man.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Draft season is here, and it does not wait.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, I hope. That's it's hope season. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
And if you want to have hope, just look at
what the team the toys in the trophy did over
this period of time one year ago.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
That that was it.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
They built a super Bowl finishing piece in this free
agency and in the draft, and they went and won
the whole thing. And that's what's so great about football
versus some of these other sports. Every single city, no
matter where you are, no matter what you need, you
have hope that you can go find it this offseason.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And we're going to be the.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Place to discuss all of it as we head towards
free agency.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
And the draft. So we appreciate you hanging with us.
We'll see you next time, right here on move sticks.
And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody, Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky Rhett.
I feel like we were all just together because we
were we were last.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Night watching the watching the Super Bowl. I'm gonna go ahead, Buck.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I felt bad because I was walking out of the building.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
I just read at the desk, just kind of hanging out,
like like when when they.
Speaker 6 (00:24):
Just sitting there there.
Speaker 7 (00:26):
You know, I was doing my best Chris Rose impression
for the the re air of our NFL Game Day Final,
which you know is done live from New Orleans. So
those guys shut the Superdome down. And when that gets
shut down, then I pop up and you hear my
voice every now and then on the re air of
NFL Game Day Finals. So I think I get a
I got a credit for that when it wins an Emmy.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So yeah, rightly, so rightfully.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
By the way, it's time for the lead block, presented
by Team Mobile for Business. Football needs a network willing
to go the extra yard. So do you go further
with T Mobile for Business, guys, I'm going open, I'm
going open floor here. We got a chance to watch
the game together discuss the game. But Buck, I'm curious,
now we've had a night to kind of sleep on
it and digest it, what stands out to you the most.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
The thing that sends out is just telling over everything
just as we're debating the two teams leading up to
the thing. I think the back to back champion thing,
the three peat thing, the sixteen or seventeen one score
games and a row thing made everyone scared.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
To go against the Kan City Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
But when you really looked at this and if you
did a tell of the tape, it was decidedly in
the eagles favor.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
And last night we were.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Talking, I said, it kind of reminded me of when
Mike Tyson got knocked out by Buster Douglasy was fumbling
around for his mouthpiece, and I'm gonna go even farther
with that analogy. It reminded me of Mike Tyson taken
on the event to Holy Field when he bit his ear.
I felt like we saw the Kan City Chiefs act
out of character because very early in the game they
were over one filmed by the talent disparity between their
(02:03):
team and the Eagles, and I think it played into
the way that they played.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
We've never seen the Kansa the Chiefs look like.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That, well once once once we have and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
And that's what this that's what this felt like. This
felt like a team that did not have answers for
a more talented defensive front. I mean, you know they
I think in the second half we saw him try
to kind of chip a little bit more and a
couple of times actually ended up working against them, you know,
chip the edge into the center, Mahome steps up and
banging the interior. I mean, it was like anything that
(02:39):
they tried, you know. That's what it also felt like too.
It was like, you know, it's like it's you know,
like trying to run up you know, you know, run
up a hill that's got water pouring down it.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
It was just like just kind of fighting against it
everywhere everything they did. You know, even though like we
talked about it at the at our halftime show, you know,
like DeAndre Hopkins like it's a shot to put them
in fueld goal range to get some kind of positivity
before the end of the half, and guy with the
most sure hands maybe in the.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
League over the course of his career, loses.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
It, you know, just drops it, and you know that
again that adds to kind of the building frustration that
they go into the half the half with. But I
think ultimately DJ with this comes down to and then
for the purposes of what we do here, just extreme
roster construction in terms of developing and committing to the
defensive front. And that's really what showed up in a
(03:32):
large way. I mean you go down through the line. Mean,
you got three first round picks, which you know is
pretty dang good, right, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith.
The later two obviously the ones that really showed up,
Brandon Lliams, well, Brandy Graham right of course another one
sure as part of the rotation, and then Milton Williams,
Moro Ojamo, You've got Jylex Hunt, who was you know,
(03:53):
like a firecracker coming off the edge, and this one
as a rookie you're throwing Josh Sweaten there as a
fourth round pick.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
And it's just over the course of the last five.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Years, they've just been pounding that dedication to upgrading and
continuing to fortify that front. And I think that's one
of my favorite things when we get to the draft
is when you see teams you know, go in there
and continue to try to upgrade a position that is
already a perceived strength, right, because that's what allows you
(04:21):
to have this kind of depth and talent when you
get into big games like this.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Oh, I want to get to that point.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Because Jack, our buddy Jack Android, who does great research,
he had posted this. So think about the twenty four Eagles.
They lost a Hall of Fame center in Kelsey, six
time Pro Bowl defensive tackle in Fletcher Cox, their sack
leader in twenty two and twenty three, and Hassan Reddick.
They and he didn't write this, but they even missed
(04:49):
on Bryce Huff who they paid, and they still had
an abundance of riches of all the guys that you
just mentioned there. So it's never a problem solved, move
on to something else. It is a they are watering
that plant every single year.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Buck.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
It is pass rush as offensive line, and they might
have some other needs, maybe we need to maybe we
need some bushes over it, but you know what, we're
gonna water these We're gonna water these ones every single year.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
And it's not only that, like they're aggressive in everything
that they do because as much as we've talked about
the last day and a half about their offensive and
defensive lines, they've also made bold moves when it came
to upgrading the playmakers that they wanted.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Uh. You saw the trade that they made to acquire
A J. Brown.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
They doubled down by making sure they had an elite
receiver that they drafted early in the draft. And DeVante
Smith you think about now, and Quinnan Mitchell first round cornerback.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
They double up in the second round.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
It feels like they've got first and second und players
at every position everywhere.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
They realized what they lost when Chelsea Gardner Johnson departed,
So what they do They bring him back and pay him.
This is a team that I would say for all
of this stuff we talk about, Uh, their bold moved
whatever is, they quickly acknowledge their mistakes and they quickly
worked to repair them.
Speaker 7 (06:05):
Let's talk for a moment though, about risk tolerance too,
because that's a part of this equation as well. Right,
you don't get Jalen Carter where they got Jalen Carter.
You know, if you aren't taking into account the entirety
of the player profile, which.
Speaker 6 (06:18):
Is everyone knows had some significant things happen off the.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
Field with the car situation, but they're able to get
comfortable enough with it and with the player, and they
bring in.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
A support structure to help the player.
Speaker 7 (06:29):
I mean, like it wasn't the same type of risk
with with Nolan Smith, but obviously enough for a talented
player like that to slip to him at the back
end of the first round. There was some risk there.
I mean ended up taking to Kobe Dean in the
third round. I would argue at that point, it's not
a risk. Is a really good player they ended up
getting in the third round because other teams weren't willing
to I think that that part of it too, is
(06:50):
kind of intriguing to see play out on this stage.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well let's let's take those individually. Okay, Yeah, So Jalen
Carter had off the field issues. If you watch j
Carter's tape, he played with passion, energy, fire like and
you talk to people and do your background on him. Yes,
needs to grow up. There's some maturity stuff up. This
guy loves football like he is on the football field,
you'll see him. I remember a play I think it
(07:15):
was against Kentucky where he's chasing a play, you know,
thirty forty yards downfield. So he has some off the
field issues, but he loves football. Nolan Smith didn't have production.
Everybody was panicked, didn't have sack production. Well, if you
look at that situation, start, first of all, he loves football.
This guy plays with energy and passion. He's in a
rotation with the best defense in football where they blow
(07:37):
everybody out. So you're in a rotation, you're only gonna
play half the game anyways, and you're sharing snaps, your
production is not going to be there. You can look
at the whole picture here and see Nakobe Dean. He's undersized,
you know he's undersized. Well, guess what. He loves football again,
passionate leader and it ended up being Look, the size
(07:58):
issue got him this year. Maybe you could say that contributed,
maybe it didn't to his injury. When he was playing,
he was playing lights out. They have collected all these guys,
Buck that are they are football character Like there's we
talk about all the time. There's personal character and there's
football character football character wise on the field. Those guys
that I remember having this discussion, you know, I won't
(08:21):
mention the player, but as a player is going to
go on to be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
And that was.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Somebody had told me. A coach of his had said, look,
he's made mistakes. He you know, don't don't. I don't
doubt it for a second. But the threat of having
football taken away from him, you can mean he won't
be able to live without football. He loves football so
much that I think that will correct some of the
behavioral stuff that he struggled with.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Yeah, no, it's It's funny because a lot of us
always talk about, like, hey man, you want guys that
love it, that obsess over it.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
They're committed and not just interested in the sport.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
And when you talk about all of those guys, and
I've heard Syrian about it, I've heard other coaches talk
about it, like to play for us, they have to
love ball because what we're going to ask them to do,
you have to love it or you will fully embrace
all of the things that they're gonna ask you to do.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I told DJ read this. You may have been out
of the room.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
I talked about watching the Eagles in pregame, and I
remember I was working with the Jags and I remember
coming to one of my colleagues like look at the difference, Like, look,
they're having a practice in pregame with the development of
the practice squad and the young guys, and they are
going when I mean they're coming off the field fully
lathered up. I was like wow on a Sunday. And
(09:37):
so what it told me is they're no Burger eaters
on that team, meaning guys that get on the trip
and just eat all the snacks and they're hanging out
on the sideline.
Speaker 6 (09:45):
They're gonna work.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, everybody has to work.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
And I think neary Nick Sirianne for all the things
that people have kind of taken them to task for
in terms of his personality and all those things, I
believe his pedigree is all over this Eagles team meaning
Mountain Union, three time national champion, played under a great
coach who has a winning tradition. You think about all
the things that he learned along the way, all of
(10:10):
that comes out. Rick Patino talked about how Nick Siriani
in Indianapolis because Nick wanted to know about how to
build a culture a winning environment. How he's always asking
those questions. I think the way that you see this
team play, it is a parent that they have high
standards and they get guys who really relish those standards
(10:32):
and expectations.
Speaker 6 (10:34):
I think that's really interesting.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
The other part of this is, you know, we talk
about the players, but I think, you know, we also
need to look at the power of position coaches in
this in this equation too. With the Philadelphia Eagles, you know,
you talk about bringing a group together and you might
be talking about two of the best in the league.
Talking about Clint Hurt who came over in twenty three
(10:57):
to run the defensive line senior defensive assistant and then
obvious Stoutland University with with coach Jeff Stoutland has has
you know, resurrected Makai Becton's career, has developed Jordan Mylotta
into a premier left tackle. You're talking about those interior
guys being a cohesive unit as well, with with Dickerson
and Cam Jurgen stepping in for a legend in Jason
(11:19):
Kelcey and win in a flip in Super Bowl in
the first year without him. Like, I think those two
in particular, not to say that the other guys you know,
don't meet that standard, because they certainly do, but man,
I mean what those guys have done with those units
in particular. Now, look, they've been given great talent, right,
but you got to develop it, and you got to
mold it and you gotta shape it.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I think that's important to know.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I want DJ to bring this up because we talked
about it last night.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
He talked about how they are willing to draft guys
that are on the comp they're not quite fully realize
as prospects, but they understand it may take a year
or two for them to do it, and that I
believe is combined with what they have as a coaching staff.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
We always talk about coaches.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
In today's game, oh man, guys aren't developing like you
got to have a finished product. The Philadelphia Eagles are
not afraid of coaching unrefined prospects.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
They have a plan.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
In place that if there may be a year or
two out, they're okay with that. All the guys that
you mentioned on the offensive line, those guys weren't ready
to play when they got there, but they afforded the
luxury of sitting a year or two behind a really
good offensive line. To me, is everything that works together.
It's the front office, the coaching staff, and the players.
(12:31):
They all are in lockstep in terms of they know
exactly what they want to get, what fits their environment,
and then their coaches and front office understand how to
maintain that environment.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
And also, I mean, I'll give a shout out to
my guy and Jeremia Washington coach, and yeah, he's coaching
the outside linebackers and pass rushers. And think about we
came into the league together as scouts. His dad's a
legendary defensive line coach, but Washed came in as a scout,
so he has a perspective to look at somebody like
Jlex Hunt, or to look at somebody like Nolan Smith
and see, okay, there's work to The tools here from
(13:03):
a scouting standpoint are so rich, and then it's up
to me to develop them and coach them and refine them.
But like, give me those guys all day long. Whereas
I think sometimes traditional coaches we always joke buck they want, hey,
give it to me and clear packaging, already assembled, no
assembly required. I just want to coach scheme. I want
to be able to tell him we're running this stunt.
(13:25):
And when we like, here's Keith like no, no, no, we
got to work on fundamentals. Man, we got to stay
after practice and we got to grind through how you're
getting out of your stance. Like, we've got to work
on those things. And I think I was thinking of
Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn getting the head coaching job with
the Jets. Aaron Glenn started off as a scout. Do
you think that's helped him with some of the pieces
they've added in the secondary in Detroit over the last
(13:47):
few years because he can sign off and say, I
know what that's supposed to look like.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now it's up to me to get it out of them. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, I think the relationship is important in terms of
the scouting and the coaching, making sure.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
They marry up.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
So often we act like both of those operations working
silos when they really should be working together. When it
comes to player acquisition and play a development, they need
to be on the same page.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean, boy, watch these guys were rolling this gosh.
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I mean to see again to think about you know,
it's not just that the blue chip talent.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I mean, even though you could argue.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
It was there with guys like Josh Sweat and Jaylex Hunt,
but the fact that they come you know, and.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Like that though yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying
there for that whole ride.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
That is a credit to their development, their commitment to it,
and their passion for it. I think that's a great
point you make about a scouting background, you know, for
a coach and understanding what to look for and then
how you.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Can mold those raw skills right and then make it
into a big time player. So credit I think.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Also I think also Buck is uh if you look
at what's and how he's I mean how he's Look,
he's the best executive in the NFL. I don't know
how you and they can argue against it just now
with what he's done. So but I look at when
you had how we and the Andy Reid influence of
how what Andy believed in core philosophy wise, and then
(15:08):
you incorporate really kind of i'll call the Ravens model
that came in when when Joe d and Andy Widel
came in there and then they kind of mixed this
whole thing together. Wash is there who has experience in
all these different areas they've kind of taken like there's
there used to be kind of oh, you could be
kind of an analytics team or you're like an old
school scouting teast, like they have mixed it all together
(15:30):
and Howie has put it all together where it is
the it's the envy of the league.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
They got somebody, as somebody texted me, they got they
got Sakwan Barkley for.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Gabe Davis Prices. Like, think about that for a second.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
I mean not only like that is great, and I
want to go back to what you were talking about
in terms of the best of both worlds, right, And
I can tell you, as someone who didn't grow up
scouting in the Baltimore Ravens system, it was always the
envy of the league when we talked about it because
it's team like they never missed on top picks. And
then you talk about the Eagles and the analytics and
(16:05):
how they were able to mix that in the other
thing that I'm going to talk about in Red alluded
to it when he talked about the coaching, making Sirianni
be the CEO type coach, making him concentrate on being
the head coach as opposed to the head coach, class
play caller and those things. I believe their merits to that,
and I believe that Sirianni deserves a lot of credit,
(16:27):
one for improving as a coach, but two the foresight
that the upper management had and saying, hey, we need
you to learn how to run the entire operation. Your
job is to manage the team. DJ you talked to
me about what they say fundamental days, where they spend
days like things that show up on tape, they fix
(16:50):
the problems.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
You know, we heard in postgame Brandon Graham talked.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
About we didn't have any victory Mondays, and so to me,
I can tell you having been around the team that
had a lot of Mondays off, when you work on
Monday to correct the things that showed up on Sunday,
it allows you to jump on Wednesday, which is the
first practice day of the week, with clarity in terms
of what we need to do and how we need
to get better. This is a team that is not
(17:16):
only a development team when it comes to the long range.
They are an improvement team that each week they try
to take steps to get better.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
And we saw it comedy in the championship.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I want to get back to you on that. Talking
about those fundamental days. One of the things that we've
talked about previously is non negotiables right. We did a
whole episode on this in the past about hey, these
are things every team should have that you should have
a spouting philosophy that says we can take them in
different shapes and sizes, but we will not compromise on this,
and you can go position by position. We talk about
(17:47):
you know, Bill Belichick and that presentation. He will not
play with the dumb safety. I don't care for the
most athletically gifted guy in the world if you are
not smart and not play safety for him, not happening.
And what one of the tenants that we've talked about
over the last few years. And it's something to keep
in mind as we go into this draft. And I'll
give I'll give the Chiefs credit on this as well.
(18:09):
Do you want the most underrated thing in scouting right
now is tackling?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Look at the tackling.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, the tackling on the perimeter. And look at Cooper
dejen and his batting average out there in space against
those athletes, and.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Flip it around.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Look at some of the like Nick Bolton and some
of the tackles Chili good.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
And that's why I'm I'm sitting here going, oh, you know,
I get paid to cover. Not not anymore, man, not
in this league. If you can't tackle with the way
the past game is horizontally in this league right now,
all this, you know the shell coverage, you better get
some corners that can freaking tackle.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Man, it's funny that you brought that up. When I
was at the East West Shrine game. I didn't get
a chance to talk to PJ. Fleck from Minnesota directly,
but I was listening to a podcast. We were talking
about the things that they've done to punch above their
weight at the University of Minnesota and the things that
they talk about turnovers one. Mis tackling was two because
mistackling leads to explosive plays. And when we looked at
(19:01):
those two teams play, particularly the Eagles who decided we're
not gonna blitz, We're gonna play an umbrella coverage which
required you to tackle in space. Man, it is underrated
the value in having guys on the perimeter that can
get players down in one on one situations.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
You never saw the cancer.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The Chiefs really have those big explosive plays that they
can have with their speed athletes and Xavier Worthy and
Marquis Solery Brown on the horizontal things and that is a.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Testament to their ability to tackle well in space.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
Well, look at some of the players you know from
some universities you know that have top flight defenses that
send guys to the league. I mean, you look at
what Tom Allen has done in his career at Penn
State going down to Clemson. It's takeaways, tackling, effort, takeaways,
tackling effort. Kane Wamick at Alabama the same way. Takeaways
tackling and effort, takeaways tackling. So like that, I mean,
and then you find guys that fit those bills. And
(19:52):
obviously the scouts like you can see that when I'm
sure you guys can attest when.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
You go to schools like you can see the schools that.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Make the emphasis on that type of fundamental as it
comes to And look, I know it's it's a lot
different now is where you know, we tackle far less,
we talk about it far less, you know, in the landscape.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But for the corner position, I would argue that, well,
I got Bucket's been in the league longer than I was,
but I got in a three and we did literally
have we had conversations that he's a cover corner like
he's he'sn't really tackle.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
We were paying him to cover. He's a cover corner.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And now and I you know, my opinion on it
is that just we've seen so many condensed formations and
offensive coaches have gotten so smart and that they are
going to make you the force player and you can't
hide anymore out there on the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It has always been a part of the game. It
has always been a thing.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Like I can tell you going back to when I
was in Jacksonville and we played against the Titans or
the Oils, whatever they would call at the time, with
Eddie George. They would deliberately crack the safeties and make
the cornerback have to tackle Eddie George over and over
and over again.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Tackling has always been a part of it.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
And I'm gonna say this because people and some coaches
like to use the lack of practic this time, we're
not putting pads on.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
As an excuse for not having a good tackling team.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
That's not it, man. The fundamentals can be taught without
having the pass on. You have to be committed to
doing time on task to being a really good tackling team.
And it also not only has to be who you
bring in. They need to be good tacklers, but it
has to be a point of emphasis. You can't cut
out three to five minutes of tackling to get some
more scheme stuff. I love what we're was saying, takeaways,
(21:27):
tackling and effort. To me, that's really what it's about.
And we're seeing that the great teams, they all emphasize
those things.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Have no doubt that was now, well, that's a rap
actually for the lead block presented by Team Mobile for Business.
Football means a network will undergo the extra yard. So
do you go further with Tea Mobile for Business. We're
gonna take a quick pause. Let's hit the chief side
of this thing. We haven't hit that title. We'll hit
that right after this. All right, guys, let's jump over
(21:57):
to the other side here the Kansas City chiefs. I'll
give you my quick analogy and uh, you know what,
we'll get into all the things there and where they
go and this you know, sky's not falling Kansas City.
You've got Patrick Mahomes, you've got Andy Reid, you've got
a great defense. We'll get to all that stuff. But
my my image that I had was, you know, if
the super Bowl was on the if the super Bowl
(22:18):
was on the thirtieth floor of a building, the Chiefs
have to use the stairs, man like, they don't have
an elevator anymore like that. That it's hard like And
that's what's incredible what they've done. And they've won all
these games this year, all these one possession games, all
these close games, all these late comebacks, but it felt
like everything was so hard and eventually that wasn't going
(22:41):
to work, you know, And I thought in this game
it was you know they got that was just kind
of exposed in this one. Every single worth that they
had which they had been able to overcome and cover up,
got exposed.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Look, and I think you know, the thing that we're
going to talk about now is how do they rebuild
the offensive line because that that is exactly what got
exposed in their last Super Bowl loss to the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers in the COVID year. And then that's kind
of where we felt like this was going now and
they're gonna have to spend a lot of resources and
(23:13):
was that was that.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
The trade for I got to go back and look
that up now, Was that did they trade for Orlando
Brown right after that Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (23:19):
Yeah, that was the first remake, the first iteration of
the remake, right, it was after that.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
And then remember Toney was already.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
There, right, yeah, he's been there.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
He was the free agency signing.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
But it was the tackles that they really redid, and
that's when they went out and got you know, was
it John Taylor right after that too? I felt like
that was not long after right there, and you know,
they spent all that money to go get those guys
in those resources and then you know, fortified the interior
right after that, right, Uh, well with Creed Humphrey and
then and Trey Brown. So they've got to go they
(23:52):
gotta go that route again with.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
The tax traymith, right, what I say, Trey Brown?
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Yeah, you're right. So yeah, I I think that's that's
the one thing.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
And then the other part of it is is like
this you know, kind of slow deceleration from where they were,
uh when they won a Super Bowl before this last run,
right it, which which was a complete you know, I
don't want to say.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
Complete, but it was a it was a it was
a total.
Speaker 7 (24:16):
Slowing down from the way that they attacked defenses in
the past, right Tyreek kill's gone, We're gonna find a
different way to operate, and they had done that very well.
But when you can't protect, and when you can't you know,
allow your quarterback to make some of those you know,
some of those quicker some of those throws, and allow
your your receivers to make plays with the ball in
their hands.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Like you're just you're not going to.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Have a successful outing at the highest level against top
tier talent.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
And that's just they just didn't have, you know, the
wardaddies to borrow your expression.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
To fight this uh this way, to fight that battle
this way.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
I'll be curious to see how they reinvent themselves with
this one.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Well, look, man, at one, I think the reinvention that
they were able to do, and I'll say this, five Super.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Bowls and six years is ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
The only thing, the only thing that I can say
comes close to that is in the same realm as
the Buffalo Bill's going four straight.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I came to the Bills on the heels of that.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
But just the resilience, the competitive stamina, the focus that
you have to have to go back to back to
back like the Chiefs have gone and to think about
five times in six years, it's remarkable. Even though they
have a three and two record in that run is
one of the great runs.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
That we've seen in the National Football League.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
To me, this kind of feels like that pause that
the New England Patriots had after they won three and
four years, where you have to take a reset and
it may take them a while to kind of get back.
Patrick Mahomes would give them a chance, but I think
what we saw they kind of have to bottom out
a little bit and build it back up. They've been
able to kind of patchwork the offensive, the offense for
(25:55):
a little bit, the offensive line and the playmakers. They
got to commit to building this offense up right way
for them to legitimately have a chance to deal with
some of the talented teams that they're going to face
over the next few years. This is a chance for
Beach and Andy Reid to really reset refolks and do it.
And I'm actually glad that they got knocked out and
they didn't lose it on cars because I believe this
(26:17):
gives them a chance to really see where the flaws
and the weakenses are in their team.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I mean, the defense is still in great shape.
I mean, they play they played fine, they stopped the run,
they did what they had to do. They let the
ball go over their head a couple times, but that
was a risk. That was the way they had to
play that game against that Eagles offense. So defensively, they're
still They've got some free agents, but they're still in
a good spot there.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I would say. The hardest thing is tackles are hard
to find. Man, when you're picking thirty, thirty one or
thirty two every year, there's not many of them and
their premium positions and they go so at some point
time and I don't know that this is the right one,
but at some point in time they're going to have
to probably be aggressive and go try and go get one,
(27:00):
like trade up and go get a tackle. Think about
the Eagles, They've had the luxury of having Lane Johnson
as a Hall of Famer, and you just plug it.
You you draft one of those guys in the top five,
and you hit, you set it, you set it and
forget it. Like he's said, like that, you don't have
to worry about that. And then they they struck gold.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Uh you know with my lotta and uh in a
late round on a rugby player and ended up hitting
on that.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
But that's it's so hard to do.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
So I look at it, you know, doing the Charger
games of gosh, you know, you think, man, the Charger's
got a long way to go to figure out how
to close the gap. I'm like, you know what, they've
got the two tackles, like two young tackles that you
can just set it and forget it. Like they're hard
to find. Man, They're really really hard to find. That's
gonna be the biggest challenge for the Chiefs to me,
and Brett Veach is really really good and he's gonna
(27:46):
he's gonna have to figure out a way to go
address that. They can't they can't run through the tournament.
In my opinion, it's gonna be hard to continually run
through that tournament playing the way they've had to play.
And in hindsight, I know in they said Joe Tounei
was their most valuable player for kicking out to left tackle.
But last night was the first time that I thought
(28:07):
about it, and I thought, you know what, did weaken
two positions? Like if he's a guard, he's really good
at guard, And now we can develop all we can
send all our help, and like I said, it felt
like in this one buck there was these holes in
the boat and they plug one and then there was
water coming out of another one.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You know, there is something to be said for that,
Like in moving someone out, you basically weaken two positions.
Because Tuney's not a natural left tackle and you've given
up what he was as an all pro guard. There's
something they have to consist it. But they have to
fix that. I mean we've said it. I mean for
two years they've had issues on the edges. I mean
it's been a huge issue. They tried to throw money
(28:45):
at it with Juwan Taylor. He certainly, in my mind,
has been a disappointment in terms of what they thought
that he would be on Perimer. They have to fix
that because, look, if number fifteen is uncomfortable, they don't
have a chance. They have to make sure that he
is always comfortable, because if he's comfortable, he can get
it done by himself.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Well, I mean you think about it.
Speaker 7 (29:04):
You know, outside of the twenty one draft, right, which
is when they nailed it on Creed Humphrey in the
second and Trey Smith in the sixth, there's not another
guy that rotates in there that they've hit from the
draft on the offensive line.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Yeah, since twenty one, right, since twenty one or before?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, or before.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
I mean, like we were talking about all the you know,
all the guys that have been on that line for
the Eagles, you know, even prior to that. But I mean, like,
you know, Janie Morris, third round pick in twenty three,
Kingsley Suamantilla, second round pick this year, rookie didn't hadn't
worked out. I don't know if they're ready to close
the book on that yet, but you know, there's some
time there perhaps, But then you know, the other guys
(29:44):
are you know, kind of depth players it was, you know,
Norzad Hanson, Like, you know, it just hasn't hit that
way for them outside of those two guys.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Score really dang good. Let's not take away from that,
but you know.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
There's just not that there's not that that kind of
cupboard full of guys.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, and look, we have to mention it.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I know, he's he's a no doubt first ballot Hall
of Fame are going to go down as arguably the
best player to ever play the position, at least in
the conversation. But Kelsey doesn't have the juice he had,
you know, three years ago, four years ago. So they
need they need to get some more dynamic players to
add to their skill position group. That's that's got to
go along with it. And I would also add had
(30:26):
zero run game, none, and they don't have They don't
have a big time back.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I mean, well that that was the thing.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
They don't have anyone that when we stand up in
the defensive meeting and we talked about, hey, guys, this
week we got the cancy the Chiefs. Who's the running
back that we fear that we have to stop. Look,
they tried it a few years ago, Clyde edwars Allar,
but it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
It didn't work out for them.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
They need a big time back that will offset some
of the pressure and attention that you put on Patrick Mahomes.
We've seen it and it's one of the things that
I think will be the theme of the off season.
We can talk about the renaissance of the running backs,
but I would say it's not necessarily just the renaissance
of the back. Is teams that had established quarterbacks paired
them with an established back and it opened up the offense.
(31:08):
Look at the Eagles, look at the Ravens, even look
at the Packers. When you have a marquee back playing
with the marquee quarterback, it makes it nearly impossible.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
For a defense to really come up with the answers
to defense.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
And you know, the last thing I'll say on the Chiefs,
and you know where they're at from a roster standpoint, is,
you know, we also got to take into consideration.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
You know, Rashie Rice was out for pretty much.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
That's dude, that's a great point.
Speaker 7 (31:30):
That's a that's a huge You could make an argument
as to whether he's not, you know, a wide receiver
one on on.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Every team in the league, but he was on this.
Speaker 7 (31:37):
Team, yes, and that's tough to overcome when, like, you know,
you don't just have again another guy like that you
can you could throw in there. Obviously they traded for
DeAndre Hopkins, tried try it just never quite got there.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yea, with hot No, I think that's a great point,
you get. I mean, think about if they can somehow
go find a tackle and free agency, I don't know,
you know, you don't Ronnie Stanley on the back nine.
Maybe he comes in there.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
There's ways you can try and address that, and then
if you get an explosive back, which this draft has
plenty of, you can find your future tight end in
this draft as well. It can look different. There's not
a lot that needs to be done defensively. I mean,
they have a lot of talented young players. Got to
pay some of them, but they're in great shape on
that side of the ball. All right, guys, it's time
for Hot or Not, brought to you by with Sabbi
(32:24):
Hot Cloud Storage Buck. There's only one coordinator in this
game that's gonna leave, and that's Kellen Moore. Looks like
it's gonna be the head coach of the New Orleans
Saints and coming off of a hot performance to say
the least, with the last two games, the NFC Championship
Game and then the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Look, man, I'm gonna say this, I am really really
impressed by the growth that Kellen Moore displayed as a coach.
We always talk about players getting developed, and this is
the developmental league for players, but it's also a developmental
league for coaches. You had a chance to see Kellen
Moore as as a coordinator for the Charges. We all
watched him as the coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, and
(33:02):
I would say that Kellen Moore's growth as a run
game caller in terms of calling the run game, being
creative with the run game and those things, man, it's
going to help him so much going forward as a
head coach and maybe head coach, play caller and those things.
What he was able to do with the Eagles is
I couldn't even imagine how he's gonna be able to
do it because I'm like, man, he's gonna bring the
(33:23):
same playbook that he said other places, they're gonna try
and throw it. It's not gonna match the personnel. And
early in the year he put all the creativity in
the run game as opposed to the passing game. And
this offense, even though the Super Bowl numbers don't reflect it,
their creative running game keeps defensive coordinators up at night
and then it allows them to be a little more simplistic,
(33:45):
but the passing game yet still explosive in both areas.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
Yeah, that's smart, and I think the evolution for Kellen.
You think about this three teams in three years, right
with Dallas to the Chargers and the now to the Eagles,
and man, I think that.
Speaker 6 (34:02):
Point soon before. Yeah, I think a lot.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
Of times when you start seeing that kind of movement,
you wonder like, all right, is the is the is
the luster coming off a once very shiny object in
terms of the coaching community. But man, he is he
has really found himself in Philly and yeah, I mean
having a generational talent and Saquon Barkley this certainly helps,
and a really good offensive line and the tools to
(34:26):
work with that way. But I think now it's so
valuable for him to really see it and to explain that,
you know, in detail, that formula you know, to Jeff
Ireland and a Mickey Loomis. I'm like, guys, I know
I can win if we find ways to simulate that
type of construction. And the Saints have done in the past,
(34:48):
I mean, arguably had one of the greatest drafts in
history in the Alvin Kamara Draft, Ryan Ramcheck, Marshaun Lattimore,
that whole thing. Like they I'm not saying they can
do that again, but they can find ways to reemphasize
what's important, especially to a Kellen Moore let offense and team,
and we'll see where they.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Go with it.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Jeff Ireland's really good man. He is a good evaluator,
and I think if you give him the instructions buck
like that, that's to me as a great personnel guy,
when you say, hey, this is what we're looking for,
he can go find it.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
No, I think it would be interesting DJ. I'm pretty
sure this was in his background. Kellen Moore's dad was
a great high school coach, yes.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Correct, Yeah, and his brothers a coordinator at Missouri.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah. So like he understands what this is.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
This is not something that I would say is going
to be challenged or daunting in terms of doing it.
What I want to see and this is what I
believe the Saints haven't done. I want to know what
that their identity was. I felt like it was very
clear in a parent for years under Sean Payton what
the New Orleans Saints were about. On O offense, despite
all the stuff with Drew Brees, They're still gonna run
the football when they did best, they were gonna run
(35:48):
the football with multiple backs. They're gonna do it. On defense,
They're gonna be very aggressive. I'm looking forward to seeing
the Saints kind of get back to that because when
I think about the Saints. The first thing I think
about is don't patrol and then whatever they've been on
offense with Drew Brees or whatever, if he can marry
those two things where they have Dome patrol on defense
and that fun offense.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Time me up. I'll be ready to go that.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Don't you disparage the Domet patrol by suggesting that there
could be another There will never be another Pat Swilling
Ricky Jackson, Von Johnson and Sam Mills.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Let me make that perfectly clear.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I just like I just remember seeing the picture that
would hang, the banner that would hang, Uh, is incredible,
just a little bit of that.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
I just there's so much history and energy and.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
That they've got to have a dominant d that Look,
the offense is funded, the screens and the shots that
they were doing with with with Sean Payton was in
you know, Robert Meacham and Dewrie Henderson running sixty yards
downfield virtually uncovered like that.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
That stuff was awesome.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
But man, that don't rocks when that defense is rolling,
and I think that this is an aging defense.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Now.
Speaker 7 (37:06):
Look, Cam Jordan has been one of the best players
in the league. The Mario Davis has been one of
the best players in the league. Can they help you
usher in the new era or do you really have
to tear it down? I think it's I think it's
probably the former. I think they probably help usher it in.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be interesting to
see you. Obviously, we'll wait and get let that announcement
become official. But a nice finish if it is a
finish for Kellam Moore there in Philadelphia. That was this
week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with
Sabi Hot Cloud Storage, store more and do more with
your data.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Try them for free at Withsabi dot Com.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Closing closing statements here buck anything else you want to
add before we get out of here on that Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (37:44):
Football is great like no matter what we say about it,
no matter how those the results end up. Football is
so great like to think about how the season started
and then we watch it finish up with the Eagles
winning the Super Bowl in dominant fashion, all of the
twist and turns through the season to watch it end
of like that is one of the reasons why look, man,
I am a football jockie.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Sign me up for it anytime.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
But now we get to close that chapter and we
get to kind of cast our eyes towards the draft
and the Combine, the draft and all of that as
everyone has completely hit the reset button saying, hey, that
was twenty four. We're ready to go to twin twenty five.
We can win it.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I'm excited about this part in the process.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Bucky, that was beautiful. There ain't no time for nostalgia Indianapolis.
Two weeks today.
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Man, the combine is coming down the pipe and hitting
around it. Man.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Draft season is here, and it does not wait.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yeah, I hope. That's it's hope season. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
And if you want to have hope, just look at
what the team the toys in the trophy did over
this period of time one year ago.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
That that was it.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
They built a super Bowl finishing piece in this free
agency and in the draft, and they went and won
the whole thing. And that's what's so great about football
versus some of these other sports. Every single city, no
matter where you are, no matter what you need, you
have hope that you can go find it this offseason.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And we're going to be the.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Place to discuss all of it as we head towards
free agency.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
And the draft. So we appreciate you hanging with us.
We'll see you next time, right here on move sticks.
Hosts And Creators
Daniel Jeremiah
Bucky Brooks
Popular Podcasts
United States of Kennedy
United States of Kennedy is a podcast about our cultural fascination with the Kennedy dynasty. Every week, hosts Lyra Smith and George Civeris go into one aspect of the Kennedy story.
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com