February 7, 2025 • 19 mins
On the latest episode of Move the Sticks, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks break down the under-the-radar X-factors from both Super Bowl teams and who could make the biggest impact on Sunday. The guys also dive into the chess match between Andy Reid’s offense and Vic Fangio’s defense, analyzing what each team needs to do to disrupt the other. Then, they go through DJ’s Top 50 Draft Prospects 1.0, highlighting the loaded defensive line class and how many D-linemen made his list.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ? Buck
with you? Buck? What is going on? How you doing? Man? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Man, We're about to take on like one of the
things that we talked about, Like I'm talking about super
Bowl and all this other stuff. So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, I'm glad this thing is is finally getting here.
It always feels like it just takes forever to get
to the super Bowl, man, So I'm glad we're we're
getting there. It's right around the corner. You are Are
you in studio Sunday? Are you? Are you in on
this thing? Yeah? We're together in the game.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we goold to watch it. We good to watch
it early. So it should be a lot of fun
to kind of see it. How we get down?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are you doing that? Are you doing the halftime thing too? Uh? Yeah?
So I get me you and rhtt? Is that what
we got? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Me, you're rhtt. While the world is watching Kendrick Lamar,
we're talking.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No, not the world, no no, no, no, no no. He
split fifty to fifty fifty percent of the world watching,
you know, Grammy winning award winning Kendrick entertainer extraordinary. But
the other half of the country is gonna flip over
to us on NFL Network without access to highlights as
we break down twenty minutes commercial free, uh chatter about
(01:12):
the first half of the Super Bowl. Come yeah, come
hang with us. You know my sales pitch.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's gonna be fine. I'm looking forward to it. It should
be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Keep getting it, you know me though, Like I'll be
sitting up there in the in the back of the
viewing room. I'm just gonna have I'm bringing my tape
up there. The Super bowls on. I'll be watching I
probably watching the Maryland tackle you told me about yesterday.
I'll be getting in Usuly all right today, Buck, I
want to start with some super Bowl stuff. Then we'll
(01:43):
get to a draft topic here. But when we're looking
at this Super Bowl, I was just kind of curious
your take on it. If there's going to be like
a like a I do want to say, out of
left field, but just maybe not the obvious one. If
there's going to be someone in this game that we
look up and go, oh my gosh, like this person
(02:04):
kind of had the game of his life and ended
up helping their team win the Super Bowl. Is there
a name like that, just kind of the first name
that pops into your head? Who that would be?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Hollywood Brown? Wo Hollywood Brown showing up the last couple
of weeks, right, So I don't think it's a coincidence
that all of a sudden, the can see the Chiefs
put up thirty points against the Buffalo Bills. We saw
Hollywood Brown play more than he's played because he's been injured.
You now have another vertical threat to go alongside Xavier Worthy.
It changes the dimension. It's like playing basketball instead of
(02:34):
having just one three point shooter and then you got two.
It stretches the defense. And who benefits from that, Travis
Kelcey and everyone underneath. Hollywood Brown, to me is the
X factor because everyone's gonna pay attention to his Zavier
Worthy because of his speed. They're gonna try and pay
attention to Travis Kelsey because of how critical he is
to that offense in Key downs Man. That just leaves
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some one on one opportunities for Hollywood Brown to get loose.
And this is in my mind, they brought him there.
They brought him there to be the big playmaker that
could do some things. And for a team where we've
seen guys like Kadarius Tony and Mikoe Harmon make big
plays in key moments, it just seems like Hollywood Brown
is destined to be a difference maker in this game.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So I was looking at it, and I was looking
at this game, and I was looking at it from
the other side of it, right, So I'm gonna look
at it from the Philadelphia Eagles side of things. And
if you look at super Bowls where a defense has
kind of taken over, we always say it, you know,
with the Tom Brady Super Bowls that they've lost, what
has been the you know what's been the issue. It's
been interior pressure. Right, That's a quarterback's absolute worst nightmare.
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So I'm looking at this Chiefs offensive line, who has
some really really good players and tunings played great since
he's gone out there to left tackle, and I'm just
looking at it, bucking. There's one name, like if we're
gonna say Waldo, like where is he? Who is he?
Mike Caliendo is the name that is the one that
I'm keeping an eye on. Then you start going, okay, well,
you've got you've got Nolan Smith on one side, you
(04:04):
got sweat on the other. They'll probably chip those dudes
on the way out the door, so they're trying to
slow Andy's gonna try and slow down those edge guys.
You know they're gonna slide to Jalen Carter. You know
they're gonna they're gonna help Jalen Carter. He's gonna have
four hands on him at all times. So I'm just
looking at this and I'm thinking, you know what, Uncle Milty,
Milton Williams is scheduled to be He's gonna be a
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free agent after this after this season. Milton Williams is.
He is explosive, he is very dynamic, He's very explosive.
And I'm just looking at this and I'm saying, Okay,
what's the who could kind of like sneaky kind of
wreck this game. And I'm like, it could be Milton
Williams on Mike Callendo, Like that could be a matchup
that nobody's thinking about, nobody's talking about. But we always
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use the phrase, hey, let's clear the dance floor, you know,
and ideally like to clear the dance floor for your
best player, which would be Jalen Carter. Andy's too smart.
He's not going to let Jalen Carter wreck them in
this game. There's no way. So that's why I think
the one on one that could be the sneaky one
on one that helps the Eagles out.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, here's what I'll say about the Villa Deva Eagles.
And look, man, I'll say this, and look how he's
your friend. I love what he's done in terms of
their investment and commitment to the front line DJ they
create these opportunities for the unhralded guys to get loose.
Looking back now and just thinking that Jalen Carter was available, right,
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and then they took a Nolan Smith who's available at
the bottom of the thing. And so now you look
at these one on one opportunities where you have to
account for those guys and they get loose, and now
you're gonna have Milton Wilson, just Milton Williams just walking
to succept because if you don't account for Jalen Carter,
Jalen Carter will completely wreck the game. He will wreck
the game by himself, and that is going to lead
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to some guys having chances that are going to be there,
and we can talk about the Can City Chiefs offensive
line and put Throonie out there and all that, but
they have been vulnerable up front and Pat Mahomes can
run around, but this is a very athletic front lit
and they can get them. And to me, I think
that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I just think Andy is and this is a compliment
to Andy more than anything else, is that he's not
going to get hit with the right hand in this game.
And the right hand is Jalen Carter, and then you
could say the other right hand is those edge rushers.
So you can get you can double Jalen, slide to Jalen,
you can chip with tight ends and backs on the
edge rushers, try and make them have to work through
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a lot of mess. But somebody's got to be one
on one. And that's the one that I'm looking at.
I'm going like, Okay, maybe that's where that one on
one is.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's so fun that we always talk about it, right,
and on the previous spot we talked about experience in
those things. You're right, Andy Reid is not going to
get caught with the right hand. You may knock him out,
but you're gonna have to hit him with a left
or an uppercut, something that is not what you typically do,
and it's going to require somebody else to do it.
The chess match between Andy Reid and Vic Fangio is
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going to be fascinating and how they try and set
this up and how they try and take away the
right hand, because what is Fangio going to go in
trying to take away like people will always say, and
they got to take away Travis kelce maybe or maybe
he lets Travis Kelcey eat and takes away the other guys,
knowing that Travis Kelcey is not gonna produce a big play.
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But whatever it is, he is not going to let
Patrick Mahame just have a run of the run of
the land and do whatever he wants to do. So
this has to be a great chess match that we're
gonna watch now.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I'm also curious to see, like what the wrinkle is
because Andy's always drawn up, you know, some unique plays
that they haven't shown, and Spags will dial up a
unique blitz like he did at the end of the
game against the Bills. But I'm also thinking, like what's
the unexpected? You know, if you're the Chiefs, you got
a difficult pass rush you're dealing with, right, and you've
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got a young secondary. As someone who's played in the secondary, buck,
you know how important communication is in the back end.
And I know if I go tempo, I can tire
out the front and I can force the back end
to communicate and put some chaos in their in their
world a little bit, doesn't it. I just think it
makes all the sense in world if your cantasity to
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come out and try and run a lot of tempo
in this game?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh why, I mean why not? Like, why not try
and wear them down? And you know what, I'll say,
this temple is the greatest equalizer. Think about the game.
The game is one where emotions are running hot. I'll
tell you DJ, Like, it's the most exhausted that you
will get in the playoffs in the super Bowl because
everything is ratcheted up. You had a fever pitch, so
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the middle of the first quarter you're looking for that
second win. If you add in some tempo because of
all of the stuff that you have, absolutely is an advantage.
And if you're able to sustain drives and really get
them deep into a drive, yeah, man, it's something that
it weighs in your favor significant.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No question. All right. That was that was the topic
I want to hit you on because I was just curious,
like what comes to mind when you're thinking of maybe
something out side the norm that ends up winning this
ball game. All right, Buck, let's take a quick break.
Come back. We're going to switch gears a little bit
to the draft. I want to talk about the strength
of this draft. It is one position and it stands
well above every other. We'll get to that right after this. So, Buck,
(09:19):
when I was looking at it, I'm sitting here at
the Senior Bowl and I've just finished up my top fifty.
You kind of send it in and I'm looking at
it and kind of going over it, and I'm like, man,
do I have too many defensive linemen in here? Like
I have sixteen defensive linemen in my top fifty? Like
I don't remember that in the past, And I'm just
going through. I'm like, no, those, I can make it case.
(09:40):
There's a couple more I could have snuck in there.
And then you go and you visit with a bunch
of buddies around the league, and you know, as they're
starting to get deep into this draft process, there, everybody's
kind of on the same page. Man, this is what
this draft is. This is a defensive line draft.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And DJ we talked about for so long. If you
want to be a championship team, you got to be
in the trenches. Like, we have enough evidence to see
that the teams that are always in the hunt are
teams that have committed to drafting in the trenches. This
is one where your your philosophy matches what is available
because the guys that you're going to mention that we're
(10:18):
about to talk about in this mock draft, they all
are worthy of being graded in the first round. Like
there are no reaches, There's no oh well I think
he No, these guys are kind of tried and true
players that you certainly deserve to kind of put in
their first their first round consideration, the first round class.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, as you look at that mock draft, I had
Abdull Carter going to the Titans, which you know, that
was more off of that, you know, thought when they
came out and said we're not going to pass on
a generational player, It's like, okay, well that was kind
of made some sense to me. That's why I was
leaning for a fit there put him next to Simmons
(10:54):
and now you got pretty pretty explosive defensive front. Mason
Graham to the Jags, Buck you can speak specifically on
that one. What would he bring there to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, what he brings is and into your presence, someone
that is disruptive, someone that is physical, feisty, does a
really good job of playing with his hands. And people
are going to talk about the arm that that would
be the thing that we have to figure out with him.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
When it comes to the type and armlength that'll be
He's gonna get hit on both.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
He's going to get hit on those things. But I'm
gonna tell you, man, this dude is a monster at
the point of attack. And for a team who look
desperately needs someone to kind of go with Mason Smith
on the inside. To me, I think he's a terrific
play man and people talking about the Von Hamilton whatever,
but this dude is different at the point of attack.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yep. That's I think he brings some just some professionalism too,
like just with the way he plays like he is
a professional effort and performance impact performance each and every week.
Michael Williams from the Saints. That's just because they've just
been creature collectors, Like that's what they've done there in
their personnel apartment. They have found long rangey, athletic, physical,
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defensive lineman. That's kind of when they're mo and he's
he played hurt this whole year at Georgia. So the
numbers aren't going to impress you, but man, he's there
is this someone He'll he'll blow up in the spring too,
because you're gonna see how how big an athletic he is.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So that's the thing that we've seen, and we've seen
it for a long time. Those big athletic guys that
have the prototypical tools, they tend to pop. And I
just think about Georgia and the pedigree and the pipeline
because I see it every week when I look at
Trayvon Walker, someone who didn't have a lot of sack production,
but he had the tools that he's become a guy
that has hit double digit sacks in the league despite
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not being refined. To me, that is everything we talk
about traits a lot, right, We talk about traits a
lot in the scouting community and how it can translate
into performance and production. I believe he has the traits
that will translate into outstanding production.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, that's it's gonna be fascinating to see how high
he goes, because that is the debate production versus Walter
Nolan from Ole miss had him going to the Bengals
at seventeen. They have got to fix the defense, I
would imagine, and we talked about it the other day.
They were going to do their best to keep the
group intact on the offensive side of the ball. In
(13:14):
terms of free agency, put a fence around those guys,
don't let them leave. But in the draft, they've got
to get more dynamic and up front. Walter Nolan, I
saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was he's
so twitchy and so explosive. Now he's he's got a
little bit of when the battle lose the war to him, like,
I'd like to see him finish a little bit better,
but he will. He's gonna whoop the guy that's over him.
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I can tell you that much.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, INDEJ. There's something to be said for guys that
are worker bees, right, We've talked about it. We've seen
some of the great pass rushers are not guys that
always win with the first move, but they're relentless in
their approach and that competitive stamina matters, and he shows
that he displays it. You got a chance to see
it uploads and personal. But look his stands up whenever
you watch him on tape.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah. The next one, I just went with a connection there,
Kenneth Grant going to the Seahawks. Coach McDonald had been
around him in Michigan. That was kind of the math there.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, I mean why not like DJ like, we like
the inside track, right, and the inside track is knowing
the personality outside of the player, knowing what motivates him
and because you've coached him as a young player, you
kind of know not only where he would fit in
your schemes, but you know what buttons to push to
get him to play at his best. Sometimes. Look, we
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talk about mock drafting. Sometimes this is obvious as digging
into those connections. To me, like, well, that makes sense,
let's connect the dots.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah. Absolutely. Shamar Stewart, he might be one of the
more polarizing players. I had him going to the Packers
because again, the Packers just seem to find the most
athletic SEC front seven defender and take him. So that's
why I went with Shamar Stewart another one where a
lot of disruption, not a lot of production. Saw him
at the Senior Bowl and he is very dynamic, but
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he is raw, does not really have a game plan
as a pass rusher, but someone who might be the
biggest wild card in the entire draft, regardless of position.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, let's talk about the Green Bay Packers and what
is their philosophy draft and develop. What did the Green
Bay Packers traditionally? Do they take prototypes, guys that have
the prototypical measurements that play for a long time in
the league. What do they believe in? They believe in
coaching their guys and giving them opportunities. They also draft
guys high, but they are not committed to necessarily playing
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them early. They're redcher to developed them and then you'll
see a young athletic defense emerge. To me, that is
the perfect environment there because they're drafting him before they
really need him. And so if it does work out
like that, man, if you're the Packers, this is what
you do. This is what you've always done from a
philosophical standpoint.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yep, no doubt. You get to the twenty eighth pick,
Mike Green from Marshall who had a phenomenal week down
a Senior Bowl, didn't end up playing the game, but
is someone who just knows how to rush and would
be a perfect compliment on the opposite side of Aiden Hutchinson. Man.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You know, Man, I take this from your old mentor, Asieknews,
some sack production translate when you watch him at Marshall
those seventeen sacks that he got, Man, it is speed, explosiveness, power,
it's relentlessness, it's high effort, high energy, all that. And
I know it's a big number. Some people will say
like it has been of a one year number because
the jump in production was so significant. But sometimes you
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got to buy on the comp and I'm willing to
buy on the compan that he's going to be able
to replicate it there. You don't. You don't get that
many sacks in college and not find a way to
get to the quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And go to the senior bowe and beat good tax everybody,
Come one, come home. Bill's defense. Derek Harmon out of Oregon,
someone who when you look at all these all the
advanced numbers and stuff of like win rate, pressure rate,
all that stuff, he's he's outstanding and someone when you're
watching Oregon play, just lives on the other side of
the line of scrimmage, the.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Really good player. And we can talk about it like
it's hard, we can poke hole in a bunch of people.
But these guys that are rated as first round players,
they certainly have the talented tools to really make it
to the next level.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
TJ. Sanders out of South Carolina, really good defensive front.
There had him going to the Eagles at thirty one.
Someone who's a little bit undersize in terms of weight,
but is really really quick, you know, two hundred ninety pounds.
But along the interior there's he's long, he's rangey, he's disruptive.
And again the Eagles, and I know this from talking
(17:25):
to them, Buck, they don't worry about year one. They
set their board based off year two, year three, Like
that's I mean, we don't need them, We don't need
them yere one.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, if you really think about drafting and the way
the process was supposed to be from a purity standpoint,
that is what it's supposed to be. You grading not
on what he does year one, but what you expect
him to do by the end of year three. It
makes sense. And because they've done a really good job
of stockpiling the cupboard, they don't have to force them
onto the field. They can be patient and wait for them.
Look at what Nolan Smith has done. Lick at what
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they've been able to do with their players when they
have taken this slow approach. It takes a while for
the popcorn colonels to pop, but they certainly pop in
Philadephia a lot. He would be a great fit.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Lastly, the Chiefs had taken James Pierce, who I have
rated higher as a player, polarizing player around the league.
He's really really real fin but he knows how to
rush and he is he is explosive and juicy coming
off the edge.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, it's funny, man, because I think about Leonard Floyd
right in terms of that's.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
A great that's a great comp How was you just wanted.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
To be like, Look, I'll say this, I think he
had more juice as a pass rush than Leonard Floyd
displayed when he was at Georgia. But this dude is
is good. He has a knack for he's tough. I
can't say enough about the feistiness that he plays with. Yeah,
he's polarizing, but DJ, it's all about like the team
fit and what you what you need. He is someone
that we know, at a minimum he could be a
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situational pass rush that can come in and get you
some sack products.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh yeah, no doubt. That's ten defensive lineman I had
going in the first round of that mock draft, which
is which is pretty wild. But I think that's might
even be short, might even have more than that one.
It's all sto and then that's what kind of draft
it is, all right, Buck? Happy super Bowl weekend. I
will see you on Sunday and I'll see all of
our viewers and listeners. We're gonna come check us out.
Kendrick Klamar, come.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
On, come on, come on over halftime.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You wins and you get to see the three of us,
maybe some claymation. Are we allowed to do a claymation?
No fun show? All right? I appreciate you guys. We'll
see you next time. Right here, I'll move the sticks.
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ? Buck
with you? Buck? What is going on? How you doing? Man? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Man, We're about to take on like one of the
things that we talked about, Like I'm talking about super
Bowl and all this other stuff. So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, I'm glad this thing is is finally getting here.
It always feels like it just takes forever to get
to the super Bowl, man, So I'm glad we're we're
getting there. It's right around the corner. You are Are
you in studio Sunday? Are you? Are you in on
this thing? Yeah? We're together in the game.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah, we goold to watch it. We good to watch
it early. So it should be a lot of fun
to kind of see it. How we get down?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Are you doing that? Are you doing the halftime thing too? Uh? Yeah?
So I get me you and rhtt? Is that what
we got? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Me, you're rhtt. While the world is watching Kendrick Lamar,
we're talking.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
No, not the world, no no, no, no, no no. He
split fifty to fifty fifty percent of the world watching,
you know, Grammy winning award winning Kendrick entertainer extraordinary. But
the other half of the country is gonna flip over
to us on NFL Network without access to highlights as
we break down twenty minutes commercial free, uh chatter about
(01:12):
the first half of the Super Bowl. Come yeah, come
hang with us. You know my sales pitch.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
It's gonna be fine. I'm looking forward to it. It should
be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Keep getting it, you know me though, Like I'll be
sitting up there in the in the back of the
viewing room. I'm just gonna have I'm bringing my tape
up there. The Super bowls on. I'll be watching I
probably watching the Maryland tackle you told me about yesterday.
I'll be getting in Usuly all right today, Buck, I
want to start with some super Bowl stuff. Then we'll
(01:43):
get to a draft topic here. But when we're looking
at this Super Bowl, I was just kind of curious
your take on it. If there's going to be like
a like a I do want to say, out of
left field, but just maybe not the obvious one. If
there's going to be someone in this game that we
look up and go, oh my gosh, like this person
(02:04):
kind of had the game of his life and ended
up helping their team win the Super Bowl. Is there
a name like that, just kind of the first name
that pops into your head? Who that would be?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Hollywood Brown? Wo Hollywood Brown showing up the last couple
of weeks, right, So I don't think it's a coincidence
that all of a sudden, the can see the Chiefs
put up thirty points against the Buffalo Bills. We saw
Hollywood Brown play more than he's played because he's been injured.
You now have another vertical threat to go alongside Xavier Worthy.
It changes the dimension. It's like playing basketball instead of
(02:34):
having just one three point shooter and then you got two.
It stretches the defense. And who benefits from that, Travis
Kelcey and everyone underneath. Hollywood Brown, to me is the
X factor because everyone's gonna pay attention to his Zavier
Worthy because of his speed. They're gonna try and pay
attention to Travis Kelsey because of how critical he is
to that offense in Key downs Man. That just leaves
(02:54):
some one on one opportunities for Hollywood Brown to get loose.
And this is in my mind, they brought him there.
They brought him there to be the big playmaker that
could do some things. And for a team where we've
seen guys like Kadarius Tony and Mikoe Harmon make big
plays in key moments, it just seems like Hollywood Brown
is destined to be a difference maker in this game.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So I was looking at it, and I was looking
at this game, and I was looking at it from
the other side of it, right, So I'm gonna look
at it from the Philadelphia Eagles side of things. And
if you look at super Bowls where a defense has
kind of taken over, we always say it, you know,
with the Tom Brady Super Bowls that they've lost, what
has been the you know what's been the issue. It's
been interior pressure. Right, That's a quarterback's absolute worst nightmare.
(03:42):
So I'm looking at this Chiefs offensive line, who has
some really really good players and tunings played great since
he's gone out there to left tackle, and I'm just
looking at it, bucking. There's one name, like if we're
gonna say Waldo, like where is he? Who is he?
Mike Caliendo is the name that is the one that
I'm keeping an eye on. Then you start going, okay, well,
you've got you've got Nolan Smith on one side, you
(04:04):
got sweat on the other. They'll probably chip those dudes
on the way out the door, so they're trying to
slow Andy's gonna try and slow down those edge guys.
You know they're gonna slide to Jalen Carter. You know
they're gonna they're gonna help Jalen Carter. He's gonna have
four hands on him at all times. So I'm just
looking at this and I'm thinking, you know what, Uncle Milty,
Milton Williams is scheduled to be He's gonna be a
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free agent after this after this season. Milton Williams is.
He is explosive, he is very dynamic, He's very explosive.
And I'm just looking at this and I'm saying, Okay,
what's the who could kind of like sneaky kind of
wreck this game. And I'm like, it could be Milton
Williams on Mike Callendo, Like that could be a matchup
that nobody's thinking about, nobody's talking about. But we always
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use the phrase, hey, let's clear the dance floor, you know,
and ideally like to clear the dance floor for your
best player, which would be Jalen Carter. Andy's too smart.
He's not going to let Jalen Carter wreck them in
this game. There's no way. So that's why I think
the one on one that could be the sneaky one
on one that helps the Eagles out.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, here's what I'll say about the Villa Deva Eagles.
And look, man, I'll say this, and look how he's
your friend. I love what he's done in terms of
their investment and commitment to the front line DJ they
create these opportunities for the unhralded guys to get loose.
Looking back now and just thinking that Jalen Carter was available, right,
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and then they took a Nolan Smith who's available at
the bottom of the thing. And so now you look
at these one on one opportunities where you have to
account for those guys and they get loose, and now
you're gonna have Milton Wilson, just Milton Williams just walking
to succept because if you don't account for Jalen Carter,
Jalen Carter will completely wreck the game. He will wreck
the game by himself, and that is going to lead
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to some guys having chances that are going to be there,
and we can talk about the Can City Chiefs offensive
line and put Throonie out there and all that, but
they have been vulnerable up front and Pat Mahomes can
run around, but this is a very athletic front lit
and they can get them. And to me, I think
that's a good call.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I just think Andy is and this is a compliment
to Andy more than anything else, is that he's not
going to get hit with the right hand in this game.
And the right hand is Jalen Carter, and then you
could say the other right hand is those edge rushers.
So you can get you can double Jalen, slide to Jalen,
you can chip with tight ends and backs on the
edge rushers, try and make them have to work through
(06:26):
a lot of mess. But somebody's got to be one
on one. And that's the one that I'm looking at.
I'm going like, Okay, maybe that's where that one on
one is.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's so fun that we always talk about it, right,
and on the previous spot we talked about experience in
those things. You're right, Andy Reid is not going to
get caught with the right hand. You may knock him out,
but you're gonna have to hit him with a left
or an uppercut, something that is not what you typically do,
and it's going to require somebody else to do it.
The chess match between Andy Reid and Vic Fangio is
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going to be fascinating and how they try and set
this up and how they try and take away the
right hand, because what is Fangio going to go in
trying to take away like people will always say, and
they got to take away Travis kelce maybe or maybe
he lets Travis Kelcey eat and takes away the other guys,
knowing that Travis Kelcey is not gonna produce a big play.
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But whatever it is, he is not going to let
Patrick Mahame just have a run of the run of
the land and do whatever he wants to do. So
this has to be a great chess match that we're
gonna watch now.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I'm also curious to see, like what the wrinkle is
because Andy's always drawn up, you know, some unique plays
that they haven't shown, and Spags will dial up a
unique blitz like he did at the end of the
game against the Bills. But I'm also thinking, like what's
the unexpected? You know, if you're the Chiefs, you got
a difficult pass rush you're dealing with, right, and you've
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got a young secondary. As someone who's played in the secondary, buck,
you know how important communication is in the back end.
And I know if I go tempo, I can tire
out the front and I can force the back end
to communicate and put some chaos in their in their
world a little bit, doesn't it. I just think it
makes all the sense in world if your cantasity to
(08:10):
come out and try and run a lot of tempo
in this game?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh why, I mean why not? Like, why not try
and wear them down? And you know what, I'll say,
this temple is the greatest equalizer. Think about the game.
The game is one where emotions are running hot. I'll
tell you DJ, Like, it's the most exhausted that you
will get in the playoffs in the super Bowl because
everything is ratcheted up. You had a fever pitch, so
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the middle of the first quarter you're looking for that
second win. If you add in some tempo because of
all of the stuff that you have, absolutely is an advantage.
And if you're able to sustain drives and really get
them deep into a drive, yeah, man, it's something that
it weighs in your favor significant.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
No question. All right. That was that was the topic
I want to hit you on because I was just curious,
like what comes to mind when you're thinking of maybe
something out side the norm that ends up winning this
ball game. All right, Buck, let's take a quick break.
Come back. We're going to switch gears a little bit
to the draft. I want to talk about the strength
of this draft. It is one position and it stands
well above every other. We'll get to that right after this. So, Buck,
(09:19):
when I was looking at it, I'm sitting here at
the Senior Bowl and I've just finished up my top fifty.
You kind of send it in and I'm looking at
it and kind of going over it, and I'm like, man,
do I have too many defensive linemen in here? Like
I have sixteen defensive linemen in my top fifty? Like
I don't remember that in the past, And I'm just
going through. I'm like, no, those, I can make it case.
(09:40):
There's a couple more I could have snuck in there.
And then you go and you visit with a bunch
of buddies around the league, and you know, as they're
starting to get deep into this draft process, there, everybody's
kind of on the same page. Man, this is what
this draft is. This is a defensive line draft.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And DJ we talked about for so long. If you
want to be a championship team, you got to be
in the trenches. Like, we have enough evidence to see
that the teams that are always in the hunt are
teams that have committed to drafting in the trenches. This
is one where your your philosophy matches what is available
because the guys that you're going to mention that we're
(10:18):
about to talk about in this mock draft, they all
are worthy of being graded in the first round. Like
there are no reaches, There's no oh well I think
he No, these guys are kind of tried and true
players that you certainly deserve to kind of put in
their first their first round consideration, the first round class.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, as you look at that mock draft, I had
Abdull Carter going to the Titans, which you know, that
was more off of that, you know, thought when they
came out and said we're not going to pass on
a generational player, It's like, okay, well that was kind
of made some sense to me. That's why I was
leaning for a fit there put him next to Simmons
(10:54):
and now you got pretty pretty explosive defensive front. Mason
Graham to the Jags, Buck you can speak specifically on
that one. What would he bring there to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well, what he brings is and into your presence, someone
that is disruptive, someone that is physical, feisty, does a
really good job of playing with his hands. And people
are going to talk about the arm that that would
be the thing that we have to figure out with him.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
When it comes to the type and armlength that'll be
He's gonna get hit on both.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
He's going to get hit on those things. But I'm
gonna tell you, man, this dude is a monster at
the point of attack. And for a team who look
desperately needs someone to kind of go with Mason Smith
on the inside. To me, I think he's a terrific
play man and people talking about the Von Hamilton whatever,
but this dude is different at the point of attack.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yep. That's I think he brings some just some professionalism too,
like just with the way he plays like he is
a professional effort and performance impact performance each and every week.
Michael Williams from the Saints. That's just because they've just
been creature collectors, Like that's what they've done there in
their personnel apartment. They have found long rangey, athletic, physical,
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defensive lineman. That's kind of when they're mo and he's
he played hurt this whole year at Georgia. So the
numbers aren't going to impress you, but man, he's there
is this someone He'll he'll blow up in the spring too,
because you're gonna see how how big an athletic he is.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
So that's the thing that we've seen, and we've seen
it for a long time. Those big athletic guys that
have the prototypical tools, they tend to pop. And I
just think about Georgia and the pedigree and the pipeline
because I see it every week when I look at
Trayvon Walker, someone who didn't have a lot of sack production,
but he had the tools that he's become a guy
that has hit double digit sacks in the league despite
(12:39):
not being refined. To me, that is everything we talk
about traits a lot, right, We talk about traits a
lot in the scouting community and how it can translate
into performance and production. I believe he has the traits
that will translate into outstanding production.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah, that's it's gonna be fascinating to see how high
he goes, because that is the debate production versus Walter
Nolan from Ole miss had him going to the Bengals
at seventeen. They have got to fix the defense, I
would imagine, and we talked about it the other day.
They were going to do their best to keep the
group intact on the offensive side of the ball. In
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terms of free agency, put a fence around those guys,
don't let them leave. But in the draft, they've got
to get more dynamic and up front. Walter Nolan, I
saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was he's
so twitchy and so explosive. Now he's he's got a
little bit of when the battle lose the war to him, like,
I'd like to see him finish a little bit better,
but he will. He's gonna whoop the guy that's over him.
(13:35):
I can tell you that much.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, INDEJ. There's something to be said for guys that
are worker bees, right, We've talked about it. We've seen
some of the great pass rushers are not guys that
always win with the first move, but they're relentless in
their approach and that competitive stamina matters, and he shows
that he displays it. You got a chance to see
it uploads and personal. But look his stands up whenever
you watch him on tape.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah. The next one, I just went with a connection there,
Kenneth Grant going to the Seahawks. Coach McDonald had been
around him in Michigan. That was kind of the math there.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, I mean why not like DJ like, we like
the inside track, right, and the inside track is knowing
the personality outside of the player, knowing what motivates him
and because you've coached him as a young player, you
kind of know not only where he would fit in
your schemes, but you know what buttons to push to
get him to play at his best. Sometimes. Look, we
(14:26):
talk about mock drafting. Sometimes this is obvious as digging
into those connections. To me, like, well, that makes sense,
let's connect the dots.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah. Absolutely. Shamar Stewart, he might be one of the
more polarizing players. I had him going to the Packers
because again, the Packers just seem to find the most
athletic SEC front seven defender and take him. So that's
why I went with Shamar Stewart another one where a
lot of disruption, not a lot of production. Saw him
at the Senior Bowl and he is very dynamic, but
(14:53):
he is raw, does not really have a game plan
as a pass rusher, but someone who might be the
biggest wild card in the entire draft, regardless of position.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, let's talk about the Green Bay Packers and what
is their philosophy draft and develop. What did the Green
Bay Packers traditionally? Do they take prototypes, guys that have
the prototypical measurements that play for a long time in
the league. What do they believe in? They believe in
coaching their guys and giving them opportunities. They also draft
guys high, but they are not committed to necessarily playing
(15:22):
them early. They're redcher to developed them and then you'll
see a young athletic defense emerge. To me, that is
the perfect environment there because they're drafting him before they
really need him. And so if it does work out
like that, man, if you're the Packers, this is what
you do. This is what you've always done from a
philosophical standpoint.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yep, no doubt. You get to the twenty eighth pick,
Mike Green from Marshall who had a phenomenal week down
a Senior Bowl, didn't end up playing the game, but
is someone who just knows how to rush and would
be a perfect compliment on the opposite side of Aiden Hutchinson. Man.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
You know, Man, I take this from your old mentor, Asieknews,
some sack production translate when you watch him at Marshall
those seventeen sacks that he got, Man, it is speed, explosiveness, power,
it's relentlessness, it's high effort, high energy, all that. And
I know it's a big number. Some people will say
like it has been of a one year number because
the jump in production was so significant. But sometimes you
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got to buy on the comp and I'm willing to
buy on the compan that he's going to be able
to replicate it there. You don't. You don't get that
many sacks in college and not find a way to
get to the quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
And go to the senior bowe and beat good tax everybody,
Come one, come home. Bill's defense. Derek Harmon out of Oregon,
someone who when you look at all these all the
advanced numbers and stuff of like win rate, pressure rate,
all that stuff, he's he's outstanding and someone when you're
watching Oregon play, just lives on the other side of
the line of scrimmage, the.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Really good player. And we can talk about it like
it's hard, we can poke hole in a bunch of people.
But these guys that are rated as first round players,
they certainly have the talented tools to really make it
to the next level.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
TJ. Sanders out of South Carolina, really good defensive front.
There had him going to the Eagles at thirty one.
Someone who's a little bit undersize in terms of weight,
but is really really quick, you know, two hundred ninety pounds.
But along the interior there's he's long, he's rangey, he's disruptive.
And again the Eagles, and I know this from talking
(17:25):
to them, Buck, they don't worry about year one. They
set their board based off year two, year three, Like
that's I mean, we don't need them, We don't need
them yere one.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Well, if you really think about drafting and the way
the process was supposed to be from a purity standpoint,
that is what it's supposed to be. You grading not
on what he does year one, but what you expect
him to do by the end of year three. It
makes sense. And because they've done a really good job
of stockpiling the cupboard, they don't have to force them
onto the field. They can be patient and wait for them.
Look at what Nolan Smith has done. Lick at what
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they've been able to do with their players when they
have taken this slow approach. It takes a while for
the popcorn colonels to pop, but they certainly pop in
Philadephia a lot. He would be a great fit.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Lastly, the Chiefs had taken James Pierce, who I have
rated higher as a player, polarizing player around the league.
He's really really real fin but he knows how to
rush and he is he is explosive and juicy coming
off the edge.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No, it's funny, man, because I think about Leonard Floyd
right in terms of that's.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
A great that's a great comp How was you just wanted.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
To be like, Look, I'll say this, I think he
had more juice as a pass rush than Leonard Floyd
displayed when he was at Georgia. But this dude is
is good. He has a knack for he's tough. I
can't say enough about the feistiness that he plays with. Yeah,
he's polarizing, but DJ, it's all about like the team
fit and what you what you need. He is someone
that we know, at a minimum he could be a
(18:47):
situational pass rush that can come in and get you
some sack products.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh yeah, no doubt. That's ten defensive lineman I had
going in the first round of that mock draft, which
is which is pretty wild. But I think that's might
even be short, might even have more than that one.
It's all sto and then that's what kind of draft
it is, all right, Buck? Happy super Bowl weekend. I
will see you on Sunday and I'll see all of
our viewers and listeners. We're gonna come check us out.
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
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