October 30, 2025 • 26 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks sit down with Stanford General Manager and former Colts quarterback Andrew Luck to discuss his transition from playing in the NFL to leading his alma mater. Luck reflects on how Jim Harbaugh influenced his decision to attend Stanford, the importance of authenticity in leadership and how the relentless pursuit of excellence defines the Cardinal culture.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ and Buck with you
and Buck Man. We've had some cool guests on this show.
We've had World Series champs, We've had NFL champs, college champs,
you know, you name it, across a wide variety of spectrums.
But today's guest I might be more fired up than
any of them.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Former numb one overall pick Andrew Luck is going to
join the program talk about all things Stanford, his new
role as a general manager and just making a transition
for being a standout player to being a standout team build.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And if you're if you're thinking this is going to
be a deep dive into his NFL career or you
know why he decided to retire at such a young age,
Now that's not.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
What this is.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This is. This is about the future. This is about
Andrew Luck as the general manager of Stanford Football. Someone
who has such a unique background and experiences, you know,
really at Stanford as well as going on to the NFL,
whose dad was an administrator and an athletic director, and
now he finds himself in this role of trying to
revive a Stanford football program that he helped build up
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has kind of come crashing back down and he's in
the process of trying to get it back onto the mountaintop.
So one of the more fascinating men in all of sports,
and a conversation we're really looking forward to and I
think you can enjoy it. Here's our chat with Andrew Luck.
All Right, Buck excited to have with us a player
we both scouted back in our NFL days and someone
who has had an incredible journey and is now the
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general manager for the Stanford Cardinal. Andrew Luck joined us. Andrew,
how you doing, man.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I'm doing really well. To be clear, this is not
my jersey behind me. It's John Brody. I've get dogged on. No, no, no,
I have my plunk at jersey next to it. I
tried to switch the wire, was wrong and I I
gave up, so I put John Brody back up.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's fantastic. Hey, as we get started here, I was
going back through my notes on you. I think I was.
That was twenty twelve, right, was your was your draft year?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I was with the Eagles and I just remember
going through there and the first question that everybody asked.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Was how did how did you guys get this guy?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So I've never heard that story from you. Your recruiting process,
why you chose Stanford.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, well I've thought about it a lot more being
a GM now and spending a good chunk of my
time recruiting to this amazing university, you know, in the
football program. We were in Houston, Texas. Uh. You know,
my I grew up in a in a football family.
My dad was a sports exec for NFL Europe, right
and the sports exactly a bunch of other wies. We
ended up moving to Houston for middle school and high school.
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And I was a football obsessed kid and I and
you know, we were a family that stressed academics. You know.
My my parents did a great job, I think with
all of us growing up. And I enjoyed school, you know.
And I was a nerd, and I liked playing with legos,
and I love playing sports, and I love playing football,
and I love playing basketball and baseball, you know. And
I got to you know, I won a starting job
on our varsity team Strafford High School my sophomore year
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and started getting recruited right and certainly when you're when
you're the son of a former NFL quarterback, like you know,
you get there's name recognition as well. Uh and you know,
Jim Harball was hired by Stanford. I can't remember exactly when,
but I remember was, you know, we used to have
a computer in like our living room, and my mom
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was an early adopter of computers and like Yahoo, and
she had you know, emails like it was. So we
had a computer, and so my dad, I think, was
figuring out like that he could go get his sports
news on the internet, not you know, wait, just chronicle
to come in the morning. So he would sit there
and type like an old man, you know, bah bah bah,
and he yelled out, hey, Stanford just hired Jim Harbaugh
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as the head football coach. And I didn't you know,
it went way over my head, but I think a
seed had planted in his mind. He's like, let's go
out and visit Berkeley and Stanford. So a spring break,
my dad took me out to visit Jim Harbaugh, who
was who was pretty new in his job and getting
a very infamous bathroom built connected to his office, which
you could read about at some point. And I visited
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I fell in love with Coach Harbaugh and his enthusiasm
and his deep conviction that you can win here. And
I looked at Stanford as the singular place that was
going to get the most out of all of me
as a quarterback. I wanted to be like Jim Plunkett
and John Lway right like I wanted that this place
out of history. I knew Coach Harbaugh was going to
push me. I knew the staff was going to push me.
I knew I was going to go to one of
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the best, if not the best school in the world,
like and I wanted to challenge myself that way. I
wanted to make sure I was growing. So you know,
I committed to a team that went one and eleven
the year before, you know, Coach Harbaugh got there because
I believed in this thing and believed and doing it
a little different perhaps than some others. In my situation.
I was like, I was a pretty big recruit, not
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like big, big, big big, but you know, I was good.
And I met a bunch of the other guys too,
a bunch of other commits, a bunch of guys in
the locker room. I was these guys are from all
over the country. They love football. They're obsessive over it,
and like you walk by and they're having a conversation
about the Israeli Palestine Palestine conflict, or like why you
know what happens when water actually boils at two hundred
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and twelve degrees? What's happened to? You know? Like, WHOA,
this is cool? You know, And I'm sure glad I did.
I was pushed. I grew a lot at the coach Shaw,
Coach Harball, Greg Roman, the Pap Hamilton, the coaching staff
challenged me. I was prepared for the NFL when I
came out. I really was. The way they asked me
to run an offense was like an NFL team, and
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they taught it. You are great teachers, and so I
take a lot of that's my job now. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's funny, Andrew, because that was gonna be my natural transition,
because because you went in to a program that was
one and eleven before, you've got that, you've seen it
go from the bottom to where they had the pinnacle
of Stanford football. How do you try and replicate that
in your current role as a general manager where you
currently have framed right, but eventually you may have a
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full time coach, Like, how do you take what you
learned as a player and replicate that now as the
general management?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah? Absolutely, well one, you know there, I think there
are pretty there are some timeless principles in our sport, right,
and there's probably some timeless principles organizationally across industries. And
like the world has changed. We are paying players and
we're excited about it. Right. The transfer portal is different
than than when I was in school, and so you know, one,
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Coach Harbaugh's having a leader of the program that had deep,
deep conviction that we were going to win, and what
might be perceived as challenges, we're not going to be
excuses right at all? Right, Coach Harba said, well, shoot,
if we can only recruit forty or fifty guys a
year because of the academic threshold, let's go find the
best forty or fifty and make sure our yield is
higher than everybody else. Right in high school recruit good.
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That's profoundly affecting how I do this too. Let's build
a foundation of like hard work, respecting each other, holding
really really really high standards because we have high expectations.
We have very high expectations and those have to be
rooted in very high standards and really high care right
and and so are those coaching staffs, coachar Ball, Coach
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Shaw afterwards, they did it authentically. Coach har Ball was
authentically himself. Coach Shaw was authentically himself. I learned to
be the best quarterback I could be. I had to
be me, right, including walking into a locker room where
Peyton Manning had been the previous quarterback. Was if I
if I was trying to be Peyton a version you know,
Andrew's version of Peyton, that it would fail quickly, right,
fail quickly. And I was was given license by Dwight
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Freeney on day one walking in that locker room, said Andrew,
you need to be the best you you can be.
No one else this team just needs you. And that
that meant a whole lot as a young rookie quarterback
coming into you know, into that space. So you know, one,
bringing all of me as a leader to this thing.
Uh two, Going and finding the unicorns around the country
at high school that that have the grades and and
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Ball out right, that are willing to put the work
in and willing to learn and play great football. Building
the culture of brotherhood or young men are playing for
each other right and understand our plan and you mentioned
it too, Frank. Frank has done an unbelievable job this year.
He saved my bacon man coming in for eight months
and doing this thing, and the progress and that our
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team has made is unbelievable. I'm proud of him. I'm
proud of our staff. I get proud watching these guys
every Saturday go out and lay it on the line.
And it's a wonderful thing to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You touched on two things I wanted to get some
further thought on because you talked about the foundation and
build down foundation. I think of your your studies and
your background in design, architectural design, like how that plays
into it and what does this foundation need to be
to go forward. And the second thing is we've talked
a lot and just talking to our buddies and GM
roles in all different sports. The phrase that we've heard
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more than any other the last twenty four months has
been care factor.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
We can talk about it's easy.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
The scouting, the talent is really it is what it is,
but trying to find guys with a very high care
factor is the challenge, how do you go out doing
that when you're visiting with seventeen eighteen year old kids?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Oh? Man, it is a that's what a great question, right,
And it is the question I think. I think there's
two sides of the coin, not two sides of the coin.
I think of care factor at two different levels, like
one at the individual, do I like, do I love football?
And do I love learning? Right? Because that do I?
And have I seen enough evidence that I can get
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better at football? Right? Like? You want kids who are
just obsessed about getting better at football because it's that
gets to become an addictive feeling, and that's a virtuous
fly cycle, right, Like like a flywheel. I'm like, yeah, better, better,
better better. Frank Reich has done that for our guys.
They've gotten better that coaching our staff in combect and
then also for our staff, right, are we getting better?
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Am I getting better? In this job? Is there? Is
there a level of intrinsic motivation often tied with love
of something? Right? Hard to want to get better at
something if you if you just sort of like it
a little bit, or like really don't like it. But
sussing that out, I'm not sure I have a formula.
Yet you know some of it. Some of it I
think is gut instinct and feel right, And maybe that's
the art of recruiting or personnel. I think some of
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it's the right line of questioning and and and oftentimes
it's you gotta find character references, right. You gotta find
people who who who will spill some story that has
some nugget of truth and put enough of those nuggets
of truth together to find a picture, and then you
take a leap of faith. Right. But I also I
also believe a care factor of how are we as
a program taking care of our people right and giving
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everyone the best chance to have their care fractor grow
as they as they're It's not a static thing, right,
is not a static right, like we have to be
a place that you know, I mentioned high expectations and
standards and high care. Like high standards and high care,
that's the right combination. It gets old if there's really
high standards in low care. Right. It also gets old
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it's kid gloves if it's real high care and low standards. Right.
And there's a there's a quote from one of my
men towards Admiral Sandy Winnifeld an amazing man. He's got
a great book on leadership called Sailing Up. When he
was I'm going to say the words wrong, but chief
of staff for Colon Pal at some point and Colon
turned him in a car. He tells this great story.
We turned him in a car and said, Sandy, morale
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has never been improved by lowering standards. Right, used to like, so,
how do we have a system of high care and
high standards and find the people that will thrive in
that system? And look, I'm like nine months in this job,
Like the data is not there. This is like we
got I should say, the big, big, big data. I
know we're on the right path. I have a conviction
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that this is the right path. But it's there's a
there's faith in this right you know. Man, I'd love
to be sating here five years from I was saying, yeah,
we just won for national champ. But that's that's That's
how I'm approaching both the the like sussing out care
factor and and you gotta hold up, you're into the
bargain too. You got to help young men tend that
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care factor and grow it, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And you have so fascinated because I do remember going
down and watching you play one of your final games
down in the Fiesta Bowl, and how the brand that
Stanford had become. You guys have talked about nerdination or
intelectual brutality in those things.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Talk about it when you look at Stanford, because you've
been a part of it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
What is that brand when it comes to the football program?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah? You know, I think why nerdination and intellectual brutality
were were so authentic was because they and this is
an overused word, but they organically grew out of an
identity right And so I what I see our team
doing right now is working their butts off and practicing
hard and being professional and understanding the better the better
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we execute a game plan, the better we understand the
game plan, the better chance we have of winning a game.
So I love nerd Nation because Shane Scope, but my
teammate who you know, who's an all the MYA and linebacker, Yeah,
you know, someone from the stands gave him a pair
of glasses with some tape after after a huge win,
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and he put him on for the press conference, and
it was like, yeah, we let's because we are a
bunch of nerds. Because everybody has they love on the team.
Lead you love football, and there's probably something else that
you just that you're willing to go deep in. And
then intellectual brutality. I give that to Mike Bluegren, the
current offensive line coach the Cleveland Browns, because it's it's
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all about, you know, getting rid of either or getting
rid of a paradox, either intellectual or your brutal. Let's
combine like this, you know, and create a new paradigm.
And I love that about Stanford, right, scholar athlete, we
do it right, intellectual brutality that like, I love it.
So those those are models, those are heguristics, I think.
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But we've also got to chart our own path. And
I'm curious as this goes what what comes up. We
certainly have a vision, I mean, we certainly do. We're
built different to be different, right. We got kids who
want who like embrace the grind, who want to earn it,
who are looking to be challenged in every way, shape
or form. We think better men make better players, right,
Better players make better teams. And I'm curious what sort
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of catchphrase social media slogans comes out of this. But
it's got to be authentic and there's got to be
integrity and fidelity to who we actually are, because that's
what resonates, you know absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I was thinking back to the first time I went
on campus at Stanford and where we used to park
as scouts. We'd have to walk across the camps. I
remember the first time, Buck, we've talked about this. I
remember parking the first time, and it was a fall day.
It wasn't an early visit. It was a little bit
later in the fall, and I remember walking across and
I swear I thought it was I was on a
sound stage or something, because the leaves just kind of
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started falling. I looked to my left and there's the
women's soccer team practicing. I'm sure there's probably six Olympians there.
Then I heard the ping of the of the baseball bat,
and I'm sure there's probably a couple first round picks
on that field as they're kicking some VP walk by
the pool where there's a high diver. I'm sure I
don't know which country, but there's an Olympian that's just
jumping off the high dive, and then I walk in
the building. I remember after that day, Andrew, I called
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my parents and I said, if you would have taken
me to Stanford in eighth grade, I would have got
better grades in high school. I didn't know a place
like this existed. So how important is it for you
when you're recruiting these guys to get them on campus
and not just taking your word for it, but come
experience it.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh it's huge. I mean I don't mean this in
a snobby or study way, but it's a special place.
As you laid out and like, I'll finish your story,
and then you walked into a football building and there's
David Dicastro and Kobe and Zach Ertz who is like
down the fountain of youth in just a like stillballing
at a level that you know, these tight ends playing
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forever is unbelievable, man. And yeah, we think it's a
special place. You know, I met my wife here. She
was a gymnast right representing the Czech Republic. We all
live in a dorm freshman year with a random roommate. Like,
that's where else do you get that in life? Right?
And we need kids to embrace that. I'm still friends
with my doormate Dennis Carmen Are from Turkey's an amazing
dude who lives in the Bay Area, right, Like, it's
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an amazing place, and you mentioned the sports. You're also
going by a you know, an academic building where we're
we're we're unbelievable breakthroughs in whatever mission it is are happening.
It's it's it's a place that rewards the pursuit of excellent,
not just attaining excellence, but the pursuit you know, So
getting getting young men in their families on campus is
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core to our recruiting strategy because we think it sells itself.
And then my job really is to make sure that
the football is serious, right like serious like what I
like aspects of what I had old school principles, some
new school methods, you know, but there are some timeless
truth But because I came to Stanford, you know, I'm
in to maybe more succinctly answer the first question. I
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came to Stanford because it was serious about football and
serious one of other things. And it was a place
where I did not want to take myself too seriously.
But you know what, we're our guys are embracing the
seriousness of football. You know, my my year, I think
we had we had neca ogla Mike go first overall
in the WNBA. Amazing, you know, it's this amazing hoopster
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from Houston as well. I went first overall in the
NFL draft. Mark a Pell was either drafted as a pitcher,
drafted life first or top five. It was like, you're
just surrounded. Like I go to the Olympics. My wife's
a producer for gymnastics at NBC. I went to the
Paris Olympics. What a treat. Like there's fifty nine Stanford
affiliated athletes, my classmates, you know, Katerina Stephanidie Pole vaulter,
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Grease gold medalistic real, we were in the training room together,
Like that's awesome. Watched Eric Shoji win a bront bronze
medal and men's volleyball who was freshman door mates with
my teammates, like we're boys. We partied together, you know.
It's it's it's an amazing group to be a part of.
And I love that our football team is part of
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a broader fabric and culture of let's go figure out
how to be excellent, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And got to ask you this because I find it
fascinating when I watch you on game day, I know
that you're right on the sideline and it looks like
you're almost in the huddle as a general manager. Tell
me why you feel you need to be on the field,
be on the sidelines to really immerse yourself into the game.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. You know, one of the things Coach Wright encouraged
me in us and and and I've learned so much
from that man. And you know, one as it was,
you know my last year playing in the off was him.
I quit walked away on him and Chris Ballard and
we and our relationship only got stronger, right, Like, he
brings a humanity and a steadfastness and an integrity and
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a care factor for his job and his people. That
like is inspiring. And I know in large part that's
what our young men are responding to. And so I'm
eternally grateful for him. Man, I lost the plot of
the thought. I just I just love talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Being down there on the field, being on the field.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
On the field. So you know, one of these he
challenged was like we just had this theme of like, Andrew,
embrace how unique and weird this season is, just embrace it.
Embrace it. Because the first game I was up in
the booth and it was a tough pill for us
to swallow. We lost of why and you know, Frank
and I downloaded for like five hours after the game.
We didn't both did a sleep while you wake up?
You know what's you know, how does this go? He's like,
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I need you out of the booth, Andrew. I need
you on the field. I I you know, because I'm
involved in training camp, I'm involved in practice, you know.
Or we have a very we have an egoist group
of coaches, and I respect the coaching profession too much
to step on their toes. But like, you know, I'm
going to go talk to our quarterback coach and Frank
about the cover zero plan or or cadence or you know,
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how to just the little finer points. I know I
have value there. So Frank asked me to be on
the sideline, right He said it would help me as
the head coach, Andrew if I knew you were there,
And so I said yes, and then said, well, if
I'm going to be on the sideline, I better bring
all of myself and that is all myself, Like that's
the way, That's the only way I know how to
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be on a sideline. I mean, I think the guys
laugh because I say the same two things. The whole game.
I just yell at you know, one play at a time,
the engaging processed, one play at a time. And and
and you know what, I don't know if I'm there forever,
I don't know how I you know, but but it's
this team this year. That's what our head coach wanted.
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And I'm and I want to provide for our head coach.
That's you know, providing for our players, providing for our coaches,
and being a resource for our head coach. If that's
going to help us win games, I'm there.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, I absolutely love it. We got a couple
more minutes with you here. This is a quick one.
Is the Versa climber still in the weight room?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And I'm not so come on the torture rack.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh, I've got I've got scar. I've got psychological scars
from the versa climber.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I can remember being in there. I was coaching earlier,
I think at that time, and the street coach's office
and you look out and you saw, like, I think
that man is going to die. He is on the
versus climber and there's somebody's gonna literally drop dead. In
this weight room right now. That thing was a torture rack.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It was. We still have the I love a Dungeon
weight room too. I love an underground weight room. We
still got it. The guys go down to the pressure cooker.
Our strength coach Ryan Dietrich is amazing. And uh, you
know what I'm going right down for the verse of
Cliver question after this.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, yes, let's bring that thing back.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Man.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Uh, the last thing We'll let you run. You've been
so generous with your time. You mentioned and I and
I wrote it down. I'm looking forward to it to
reading Sailing Upward up Wind. I have not read that book.
But is there any other book you would recommend to us?
And and those are listening if you're if you want
to build an organization or build a culture, give us
a good book that that we can dive into.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Oh man, look, I need help on this too. I
like this is this is part of what I've reached
out to the folks I know, like like Lynch and
Chris ballor and I had a chance to go to
Brad Stevens. You know, I'm I'm trying to embody being
the best of getting better. Right. If I expect that
from our players. So good book organizationally, Oh you know
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this this is this half answers the question. There there's
an old school book. I'm gonna have to text it
to you guys after. I think it's called The Winning Way.
It's it's a book written in the eighties or seventies
about and there's a chapter on each of the sort
of wooden lombardies, some of these old school coaches and
their philosophers. And look, it's you know, it would need
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to rewrite in today's day and age. I guess it's
always say right, but but and so you have to
read it knowing this was written in a different era,
you know, But there are some real nuggets of how
you know when you know, college sports has changed so much,
but head coaches, you you know, forever and ever it
was the head coach's program. But it's like there are
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some real nuggets of truth and and and style and
substance that that I that I that I love from
that book. I'll text it to you, guys, but I
can to do this day all that jazz.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Guys, you're the best man. Hey, we're rooting for you.
It's been fun to watch your journey and let's get
Stanford rocking and rolling again.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Let's go appreciate you'all, take care. Thanks for having me
on fun time.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
All right, Buck, that was fun. I mean, I you know,
in some ways very thankful. We got twenty five minutes
and Andrew Luck, but I could done another hour there.
He's a fascinating guy.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, he's so fascinating and DJ like it's not only
like him, but I just remember because I feel like
we watched Stanford rise to prominence while we were scouts, and.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So people don't understand how unthinkable that was. Well, they
were the doormat of college football.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
They were the dormatic college football, and all of a
sudden they became the bullies in the Pac ten. And
just watching them do it and having a premier quarterback
like that who embraced the physicality and toughness and old
school demeanor that they played with Toy, I'm fascinated. But
I do believe he can take the lesson that he
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learned as a player and applied them down the road.
I just can't wait to see when they hire a
permanent coach and he kind of gets settled in his role,
to see what that looks like, because I do believe
it can return.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I'm just excited to see what kind of iteration it becomes.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I was. I was doing some research for that
thing and looking at it. The last six season. Stanford,
you know, coming into this year, had won twenty games
at one point time in the previous sixth In the
previous sixth seasons they wont one hundred and two, so
that like they had an unbelievable run, and then it's
come kind of crashing down and he's trying to build
(24:37):
it back up in a new era with nil and
everything else. And you know, the question is can you
have it all? Can you have the academics and the athletics.
Are there enough kids that want to pursue that that
you can have a championship level roster. I think he
wholeheartedly believes it and he's out to try and get
it done. And the other thing you know reading about
him was he spent it. He's he's so smart. He realizes, yeah,
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build the culture, you got to do all those things.
But the thing he's gotta do, he's got to go
raise money. And he's been out there hustling and doing
that with the alums.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, no, I think he's uniquely qualified because one he
knows that spot and we don't know if it'll become
a trend. But I think Andrew love being at Stanford,
Clark Lee, being at Vanderbilt. Some people being at these
prestigious academic institutions. Knowing the warts and the lay of
the land and how to navigate around it to have
success is critical. And I do believe like because what
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he talked about the brand it exists beyond what we
talked about on the field. Being around all those Olympians
and being around all the business people that spend time there,
they have a nice offering. I just believe it's the
way that you package it, sell it, and the audience
that you direct that that message to that is really
what matters.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Sailing up wind. I had not read that one, So
I'm gonna I put the wrote that one down and
then we'll figure out, you know. I'm sure he'll text
Singer our booker and let us know what that book
was once he figured out what it was. But we
thought we had it, but maybe we didn't be on
the lookout for that. We'll post that on socials anything else,
Buck before we get out of here.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
No, it was fantastic. Man.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I love talking to him to have his perspective now
in a new role. We know how great he was
as a quarterback, but now have to see him in
a new role and to take all those different experiences
and to put it together.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Really excited for him, Yeah, no doubt. All right, that's
going to do it for us. We appreciate, appreciate you guys.
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Move the sticks.
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ and Buck with you
and Buck Man. We've had some cool guests on this show.
We've had World Series champs, We've had NFL champs, college champs,
you know, you name it, across a wide variety of spectrums.
But today's guest I might be more fired up than
any of them.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Former numb one overall pick Andrew Luck is going to
join the program talk about all things Stanford, his new
role as a general manager and just making a transition
for being a standout player to being a standout team build.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
And if you're if you're thinking this is going to
be a deep dive into his NFL career or you
know why he decided to retire at such a young age,
Now that's not.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
What this is.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
This is. This is about the future. This is about
Andrew Luck as the general manager of Stanford Football. Someone
who has such a unique background and experiences, you know,
really at Stanford as well as going on to the NFL,
whose dad was an administrator and an athletic director, and
now he finds himself in this role of trying to
revive a Stanford football program that he helped build up
(01:08):
has kind of come crashing back down and he's in
the process of trying to get it back onto the mountaintop.
So one of the more fascinating men in all of sports,
and a conversation we're really looking forward to and I
think you can enjoy it. Here's our chat with Andrew Luck.
All Right, Buck excited to have with us a player
we both scouted back in our NFL days and someone
who has had an incredible journey and is now the
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general manager for the Stanford Cardinal. Andrew Luck joined us. Andrew,
how you doing, man.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I'm doing really well. To be clear, this is not
my jersey behind me. It's John Brody. I've get dogged on. No, no, no,
I have my plunk at jersey next to it. I
tried to switch the wire, was wrong and I I
gave up, so I put John Brody back up.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's fantastic. Hey, as we get started here, I was
going back through my notes on you. I think I was.
That was twenty twelve, right, was your was your draft year?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I was with the Eagles and I just remember
going through there and the first question that everybody asked.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Was how did how did you guys get this guy?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So I've never heard that story from you. Your recruiting process,
why you chose Stanford.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, well I've thought about it a lot more being
a GM now and spending a good chunk of my
time recruiting to this amazing university, you know, in the
football program. We were in Houston, Texas. Uh. You know,
my I grew up in a in a football family.
My dad was a sports exec for NFL Europe, right
and the sports exactly a bunch of other wies. We
ended up moving to Houston for middle school and high school.
(02:37):
And I was a football obsessed kid and I and
you know, we were a family that stressed academics. You know.
My my parents did a great job, I think with
all of us growing up. And I enjoyed school, you know.
And I was a nerd, and I liked playing with legos,
and I love playing sports, and I love playing football,
and I love playing basketball and baseball, you know. And
I got to you know, I won a starting job
on our varsity team Strafford High School my sophomore year
(02:59):
and started getting recruited right and certainly when you're when
you're the son of a former NFL quarterback, like you know,
you get there's name recognition as well. Uh and you know,
Jim Harball was hired by Stanford. I can't remember exactly when,
but I remember was, you know, we used to have
a computer in like our living room, and my mom
(03:21):
was an early adopter of computers and like Yahoo, and
she had you know, emails like it was. So we
had a computer, and so my dad, I think, was
figuring out like that he could go get his sports
news on the internet, not you know, wait, just chronicle
to come in the morning. So he would sit there
and type like an old man, you know, bah bah bah,
and he yelled out, hey, Stanford just hired Jim Harbaugh
(03:41):
as the head football coach. And I didn't you know,
it went way over my head, but I think a
seed had planted in his mind. He's like, let's go
out and visit Berkeley and Stanford. So a spring break,
my dad took me out to visit Jim Harbaugh, who
was who was pretty new in his job and getting
a very infamous bathroom built connected to his office, which
you could read about at some point. And I visited
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I fell in love with Coach Harbaugh and his enthusiasm
and his deep conviction that you can win here. And
I looked at Stanford as the singular place that was
going to get the most out of all of me
as a quarterback. I wanted to be like Jim Plunkett
and John Lway right like I wanted that this place
out of history. I knew Coach Harbaugh was going to
push me. I knew the staff was going to push me.
I knew I was going to go to one of
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the best, if not the best school in the world,
like and I wanted to challenge myself that way. I
wanted to make sure I was growing. So you know,
I committed to a team that went one and eleven
the year before, you know, Coach Harbaugh got there because
I believed in this thing and believed and doing it
a little different perhaps than some others. In my situation.
I was like, I was a pretty big recruit, not
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like big, big, big big, but you know, I was good.
And I met a bunch of the other guys too,
a bunch of other commits, a bunch of guys in
the locker room. I was these guys are from all
over the country. They love football. They're obsessive over it,
and like you walk by and they're having a conversation
about the Israeli Palestine Palestine conflict, or like why you
know what happens when water actually boils at two hundred
(05:07):
and twelve degrees? What's happened to? You know? Like, WHOA,
this is cool? You know, And I'm sure glad I did.
I was pushed. I grew a lot at the coach Shaw,
Coach Harball, Greg Roman, the Pap Hamilton, the coaching staff
challenged me. I was prepared for the NFL when I
came out. I really was. The way they asked me
to run an offense was like an NFL team, and
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they taught it. You are great teachers, and so I
take a lot of that's my job now. You know.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's funny, Andrew, because that was gonna be my natural transition,
because because you went in to a program that was
one and eleven before, you've got that, you've seen it
go from the bottom to where they had the pinnacle
of Stanford football. How do you try and replicate that
in your current role as a general manager where you
currently have framed right, but eventually you may have a
(05:55):
full time coach, Like, how do you take what you
learned as a player and replicate that now as the
general management?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah? Absolutely, well one, you know there, I think there
are pretty there are some timeless principles in our sport, right,
and there's probably some timeless principles organizationally across industries. And
like the world has changed. We are paying players and
we're excited about it. Right. The transfer portal is different
than than when I was in school, and so you know, one,
(06:23):
Coach Harbaugh's having a leader of the program that had deep,
deep conviction that we were going to win, and what
might be perceived as challenges, we're not going to be
excuses right at all? Right, Coach Harba said, well, shoot,
if we can only recruit forty or fifty guys a
year because of the academic threshold, let's go find the
best forty or fifty and make sure our yield is
higher than everybody else. Right in high school recruit good.
(06:44):
That's profoundly affecting how I do this too. Let's build
a foundation of like hard work, respecting each other, holding
really really really high standards because we have high expectations.
We have very high expectations and those have to be
rooted in very high standards and really high care right
and and so are those coaching staffs, coachar Ball, Coach
(07:04):
Shaw afterwards, they did it authentically. Coach har Ball was
authentically himself. Coach Shaw was authentically himself. I learned to
be the best quarterback I could be. I had to
be me, right, including walking into a locker room where
Peyton Manning had been the previous quarterback. Was if I
if I was trying to be Peyton a version you know,
Andrew's version of Peyton, that it would fail quickly, right,
fail quickly. And I was was given license by Dwight
(07:29):
Freeney on day one walking in that locker room, said Andrew,
you need to be the best you you can be.
No one else this team just needs you. And that
that meant a whole lot as a young rookie quarterback
coming into you know, into that space. So you know, one,
bringing all of me as a leader to this thing.
Uh two, Going and finding the unicorns around the country
at high school that that have the grades and and
(07:51):
Ball out right, that are willing to put the work
in and willing to learn and play great football. Building
the culture of brotherhood or young men are playing for
each other right and understand our plan and you mentioned
it too, Frank. Frank has done an unbelievable job this year.
He saved my bacon man coming in for eight months
and doing this thing, and the progress and that our
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team has made is unbelievable. I'm proud of him. I'm
proud of our staff. I get proud watching these guys
every Saturday go out and lay it on the line.
And it's a wonderful thing to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You touched on two things I wanted to get some
further thought on because you talked about the foundation and
build down foundation. I think of your your studies and
your background in design, architectural design, like how that plays
into it and what does this foundation need to be
to go forward. And the second thing is we've talked
a lot and just talking to our buddies and GM
roles in all different sports. The phrase that we've heard
(08:48):
more than any other the last twenty four months has
been care factor.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
We can talk about it's easy.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
The scouting, the talent is really it is what it is,
but trying to find guys with a very high care
factor is the challenge, how do you go out doing
that when you're visiting with seventeen eighteen year old kids?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Oh? Man, it is a that's what a great question, right,
And it is the question I think. I think there's
two sides of the coin, not two sides of the coin.
I think of care factor at two different levels, like
one at the individual, do I like, do I love football?
And do I love learning? Right? Because that do I?
And have I seen enough evidence that I can get
(09:25):
better at football? Right? Like? You want kids who are
just obsessed about getting better at football because it's that
gets to become an addictive feeling, and that's a virtuous
fly cycle, right, Like like a flywheel. I'm like, yeah, better, better,
better better. Frank Reich has done that for our guys.
They've gotten better that coaching our staff in combect and
then also for our staff, right, are we getting better?
(09:47):
Am I getting better? In this job? Is there? Is
there a level of intrinsic motivation often tied with love
of something? Right? Hard to want to get better at
something if you if you just sort of like it
a little bit, or like really don't like it. But
sussing that out, I'm not sure I have a formula.
Yet you know some of it. Some of it I
think is gut instinct and feel right, And maybe that's
the art of recruiting or personnel. I think some of
(10:10):
it's the right line of questioning and and and oftentimes
it's you gotta find character references, right. You gotta find
people who who who will spill some story that has
some nugget of truth and put enough of those nuggets
of truth together to find a picture, and then you
take a leap of faith. Right. But I also I
also believe a care factor of how are we as
a program taking care of our people right and giving
(10:35):
everyone the best chance to have their care fractor grow
as they as they're It's not a static thing, right,
is not a static right, like we have to be
a place that you know, I mentioned high expectations and
standards and high care. Like high standards and high care,
that's the right combination. It gets old if there's really
high standards in low care. Right. It also gets old
(10:55):
it's kid gloves if it's real high care and low standards. Right.
And there's a there's a quote from one of my
men towards Admiral Sandy Winnifeld an amazing man. He's got
a great book on leadership called Sailing Up. When he
was I'm going to say the words wrong, but chief
of staff for Colon Pal at some point and Colon
turned him in a car. He tells this great story.
We turned him in a car and said, Sandy, morale
(11:17):
has never been improved by lowering standards. Right, used to like, so,
how do we have a system of high care and
high standards and find the people that will thrive in
that system? And look, I'm like nine months in this job,
Like the data is not there. This is like we
got I should say, the big, big, big data. I
know we're on the right path. I have a conviction
(11:38):
that this is the right path. But it's there's a
there's faith in this right you know. Man, I'd love
to be sating here five years from I was saying, yeah,
we just won for national champ. But that's that's That's
how I'm approaching both the the like sussing out care
factor and and you gotta hold up, you're into the
bargain too. You got to help young men tend that
(11:59):
care factor and grow it, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And you have so fascinated because I do remember going
down and watching you play one of your final games
down in the Fiesta Bowl, and how the brand that
Stanford had become. You guys have talked about nerdination or
intelectual brutality in those things.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Talk about it when you look at Stanford, because you've
been a part of it.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
What is that brand when it comes to the football program?
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah? You know, I think why nerdination and intellectual brutality
were were so authentic was because they and this is
an overused word, but they organically grew out of an
identity right And so I what I see our team
doing right now is working their butts off and practicing
hard and being professional and understanding the better the better
(12:49):
we execute a game plan, the better we understand the
game plan, the better chance we have of winning a game.
So I love nerd Nation because Shane Scope, but my
teammate who you know, who's an all the MYA and linebacker, Yeah,
you know, someone from the stands gave him a pair
of glasses with some tape after after a huge win,
(13:09):
and he put him on for the press conference, and
it was like, yeah, we let's because we are a
bunch of nerds. Because everybody has they love on the team.
Lead you love football, and there's probably something else that
you just that you're willing to go deep in. And
then intellectual brutality. I give that to Mike Bluegren, the
current offensive line coach the Cleveland Browns, because it's it's
(13:29):
all about, you know, getting rid of either or getting
rid of a paradox, either intellectual or your brutal. Let's
combine like this, you know, and create a new paradigm.
And I love that about Stanford, right, scholar athlete, we
do it right, intellectual brutality that like, I love it.
So those those are models, those are heguristics, I think.
(13:50):
But we've also got to chart our own path. And
I'm curious as this goes what what comes up. We
certainly have a vision, I mean, we certainly do. We're
built different to be different, right. We got kids who
want who like embrace the grind, who want to earn it,
who are looking to be challenged in every way, shape
or form. We think better men make better players, right,
Better players make better teams. And I'm curious what sort
(14:13):
of catchphrase social media slogans comes out of this. But
it's got to be authentic and there's got to be
integrity and fidelity to who we actually are, because that's
what resonates, you know absolutely.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I was thinking back to the first time I went
on campus at Stanford and where we used to park
as scouts. We'd have to walk across the camps. I
remember the first time, Buck, we've talked about this. I
remember parking the first time, and it was a fall day.
It wasn't an early visit. It was a little bit
later in the fall, and I remember walking across and
I swear I thought it was I was on a
sound stage or something, because the leaves just kind of
(14:45):
started falling. I looked to my left and there's the
women's soccer team practicing. I'm sure there's probably six Olympians there.
Then I heard the ping of the of the baseball bat,
and I'm sure there's probably a couple first round picks
on that field as they're kicking some VP walk by
the pool where there's a high diver. I'm sure I
don't know which country, but there's an Olympian that's just
jumping off the high dive, and then I walk in
the building. I remember after that day, Andrew, I called
(15:07):
my parents and I said, if you would have taken
me to Stanford in eighth grade, I would have got
better grades in high school. I didn't know a place
like this existed. So how important is it for you
when you're recruiting these guys to get them on campus
and not just taking your word for it, but come
experience it.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh it's huge. I mean I don't mean this in
a snobby or study way, but it's a special place.
As you laid out and like, I'll finish your story,
and then you walked into a football building and there's
David Dicastro and Kobe and Zach Ertz who is like
down the fountain of youth in just a like stillballing
at a level that you know, these tight ends playing
(15:43):
forever is unbelievable, man. And yeah, we think it's a
special place. You know, I met my wife here. She
was a gymnast right representing the Czech Republic. We all
live in a dorm freshman year with a random roommate. Like,
that's where else do you get that in life? Right?
And we need kids to embrace that. I'm still friends
with my doormate Dennis Carmen Are from Turkey's an amazing
dude who lives in the Bay Area, right, Like, it's
(16:05):
an amazing place, and you mentioned the sports. You're also
going by a you know, an academic building where we're
we're we're unbelievable breakthroughs in whatever mission it is are happening.
It's it's it's a place that rewards the pursuit of excellent,
not just attaining excellence, but the pursuit you know, So
getting getting young men in their families on campus is
(16:26):
core to our recruiting strategy because we think it sells itself.
And then my job really is to make sure that
the football is serious, right like serious like what I
like aspects of what I had old school principles, some
new school methods, you know, but there are some timeless
truth But because I came to Stanford, you know, I'm
in to maybe more succinctly answer the first question. I
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came to Stanford because it was serious about football and
serious one of other things. And it was a place
where I did not want to take myself too seriously.
But you know what, we're our guys are embracing the
seriousness of football. You know, my my year, I think
we had we had neca ogla Mike go first overall
in the WNBA. Amazing, you know, it's this amazing hoopster
(17:08):
from Houston as well. I went first overall in the
NFL draft. Mark a Pell was either drafted as a pitcher,
drafted life first or top five. It was like, you're
just surrounded. Like I go to the Olympics. My wife's
a producer for gymnastics at NBC. I went to the
Paris Olympics. What a treat. Like there's fifty nine Stanford
affiliated athletes, my classmates, you know, Katerina Stephanidie Pole vaulter,
(17:31):
Grease gold medalistic real, we were in the training room together,
Like that's awesome. Watched Eric Shoji win a bront bronze
medal and men's volleyball who was freshman door mates with
my teammates, like we're boys. We partied together, you know.
It's it's it's an amazing group to be a part of.
And I love that our football team is part of
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a broader fabric and culture of let's go figure out
how to be excellent, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And got to ask you this because I find it
fascinating when I watch you on game day, I know
that you're right on the sideline and it looks like
you're almost in the huddle as a general manager. Tell
me why you feel you need to be on the field,
be on the sidelines to really immerse yourself into the game.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. You know, one of the things Coach Wright encouraged
me in us and and and I've learned so much
from that man. And you know, one as it was,
you know my last year playing in the off was him.
I quit walked away on him and Chris Ballard and
we and our relationship only got stronger, right, Like, he
brings a humanity and a steadfastness and an integrity and
(18:40):
a care factor for his job and his people. That
like is inspiring. And I know in large part that's
what our young men are responding to. And so I'm
eternally grateful for him. Man, I lost the plot of
the thought. I just I just love talking about.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Being down there on the field, being on the field.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
On the field. So you know, one of these he
challenged was like we just had this theme of like, Andrew,
embrace how unique and weird this season is, just embrace it.
Embrace it. Because the first game I was up in
the booth and it was a tough pill for us
to swallow. We lost of why and you know, Frank
and I downloaded for like five hours after the game.
We didn't both did a sleep while you wake up?
You know what's you know, how does this go? He's like,
(19:19):
I need you out of the booth, Andrew. I need
you on the field. I I you know, because I'm
involved in training camp, I'm involved in practice, you know.
Or we have a very we have an egoist group
of coaches, and I respect the coaching profession too much
to step on their toes. But like, you know, I'm
going to go talk to our quarterback coach and Frank
about the cover zero plan or or cadence or you know,
(19:40):
how to just the little finer points. I know I
have value there. So Frank asked me to be on
the sideline, right He said it would help me as
the head coach, Andrew if I knew you were there,
And so I said yes, and then said, well, if
I'm going to be on the sideline, I better bring
all of myself and that is all myself, Like that's
the way, That's the only way I know how to
(20:00):
be on a sideline. I mean, I think the guys
laugh because I say the same two things. The whole game.
I just yell at you know, one play at a time,
the engaging processed, one play at a time. And and
and you know what, I don't know if I'm there forever,
I don't know how I you know, but but it's
this team this year. That's what our head coach wanted.
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And I'm and I want to provide for our head coach.
That's you know, providing for our players, providing for our coaches,
and being a resource for our head coach. If that's
going to help us win games, I'm there.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You know, I absolutely love it. We got a couple
more minutes with you here. This is a quick one.
Is the Versa climber still in the weight room?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
And I'm not so come on the torture rack.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Oh, I've got I've got scar. I've got psychological scars
from the versa climber.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I can remember being in there. I was coaching earlier,
I think at that time, and the street coach's office
and you look out and you saw, like, I think
that man is going to die. He is on the
versus climber and there's somebody's gonna literally drop dead. In
this weight room right now. That thing was a torture rack.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It was. We still have the I love a Dungeon
weight room too. I love an underground weight room. We
still got it. The guys go down to the pressure cooker.
Our strength coach Ryan Dietrich is amazing. And uh, you
know what I'm going right down for the verse of
Cliver question after this.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yes, yes, let's bring that thing back.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Man.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Uh, the last thing We'll let you run. You've been
so generous with your time. You mentioned and I and
I wrote it down. I'm looking forward to it to
reading Sailing Upward up Wind. I have not read that book.
But is there any other book you would recommend to us?
And and those are listening if you're if you want
to build an organization or build a culture, give us
a good book that that we can dive into.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Oh man, look, I need help on this too. I
like this is this is part of what I've reached
out to the folks I know, like like Lynch and
Chris ballor and I had a chance to go to
Brad Stevens. You know, I'm I'm trying to embody being
the best of getting better. Right. If I expect that
from our players. So good book organizationally, Oh you know
(22:06):
this this is this half answers the question. There there's
an old school book. I'm gonna have to text it
to you guys after. I think it's called The Winning Way.
It's it's a book written in the eighties or seventies
about and there's a chapter on each of the sort
of wooden lombardies, some of these old school coaches and
their philosophers. And look, it's you know, it would need
(22:28):
to rewrite in today's day and age. I guess it's
always say right, but but and so you have to
read it knowing this was written in a different era,
you know, But there are some real nuggets of how
you know when you know, college sports has changed so much,
but head coaches, you you know, forever and ever it
was the head coach's program. But it's like there are
(22:49):
some real nuggets of truth and and and style and
substance that that I that I that I love from
that book. I'll text it to you, guys, but I
can to do this day all that jazz.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Guys, you're the best man. Hey, we're rooting for you.
It's been fun to watch your journey and let's get
Stanford rocking and rolling again.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Let's go appreciate you'all, take care. Thanks for having me
on fun time.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
All right, Buck, that was fun. I mean, I you know,
in some ways very thankful. We got twenty five minutes
and Andrew Luck, but I could done another hour there.
He's a fascinating guy.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, he's so fascinating and DJ like it's not only
like him, but I just remember because I feel like
we watched Stanford rise to prominence while we were scouts, and.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
So people don't understand how unthinkable that was. Well, they
were the doormat of college football.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
They were the dormatic college football, and all of a
sudden they became the bullies in the Pac ten. And
just watching them do it and having a premier quarterback
like that who embraced the physicality and toughness and old
school demeanor that they played with Toy, I'm fascinated. But
I do believe he can take the lesson that he
(24:00):
learned as a player and applied them down the road.
I just can't wait to see when they hire a
permanent coach and he kind of gets settled in his role,
to see what that looks like, because I do believe
it can return.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I'm just excited to see what kind of iteration it becomes.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, I was. I was doing some research for that
thing and looking at it. The last six season. Stanford,
you know, coming into this year, had won twenty games
at one point time in the previous sixth In the
previous sixth seasons they wont one hundred and two, so
that like they had an unbelievable run, and then it's
come kind of crashing down and he's trying to build
(24:37):
it back up in a new era with nil and
everything else. And you know, the question is can you
have it all? Can you have the academics and the athletics.
Are there enough kids that want to pursue that that
you can have a championship level roster. I think he
wholeheartedly believes it and he's out to try and get
it done. And the other thing you know reading about
him was he spent it. He's he's so smart. He realizes, yeah,
(24:58):
build the culture, you got to do all those things.
But the thing he's gotta do, he's got to go
raise money. And he's been out there hustling and doing
that with the alums.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, no, I think he's uniquely qualified because one he
knows that spot and we don't know if it'll become
a trend. But I think Andrew love being at Stanford,
Clark Lee, being at Vanderbilt. Some people being at these
prestigious academic institutions. Knowing the warts and the lay of
the land and how to navigate around it to have
success is critical. And I do believe like because what
(25:27):
he talked about the brand it exists beyond what we
talked about on the field. Being around all those Olympians
and being around all the business people that spend time there,
they have a nice offering. I just believe it's the
way that you package it, sell it, and the audience
that you direct that that message to that is really
what matters.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Sailing up wind. I had not read that one, So
I'm gonna I put the wrote that one down and
then we'll figure out, you know. I'm sure he'll text
Singer our booker and let us know what that book
was once he figured out what it was. But we
thought we had it, but maybe we didn't be on
the lookout for that. We'll post that on socials anything else,
Buck before we get out of here.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
No, it was fantastic. Man.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I love talking to him to have his perspective now
in a new role. We know how great he was
as a quarterback, but now have to see him in
a new role and to take all those different experiences
and to put it together.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Really excited for him, Yeah, no doubt. All right, that's
going to do it for us. We appreciate, appreciate you guys.
Hope you've enjoyed this episode. If you, if you did
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