May 18, 2023 • 57 mins
EP #27: Peanut and Roman are back! This time they’re joined by Hall of Fame safety LeRoy Butler. LeRoy starts off reminiscing on his “Welcome to the NFL” moment taking us back to 1990, his rookie year. In this episode, the Hall of Famer walks us through his journey from growing up in poverty to becoming a Super Bowl champion, to joining football immortality in Canton. LeRoy gives us an inside look on the anxiety brought on by the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection process. The conversation turns emotional as LeRoy describes the life-changing visit and scholarship offer he received from then Florida St. coach Bobby Bowden. He also shares with us the importance of being financially free and “leaping” into the vodka business.
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Topic timeline:
2:32 - LeRoy’s welcome to the NFL moment
5:48 - LeRoy gives Peanut Tillman his flowers
6:50 - Why LeRoy was fined $10,000 after his first team meeting as a rookie
9:23 - LeRoy strong opinion on Aaron Rodgers leaving Green Bay
11:56 - Why LeRoy stayed with the Packers his entire career
16:00 - Why Leroy still calls Green Bay home
18:20 - Leroy explains the Hall of Fame selection process, and the side of rejection fans don’t see
27:00 - Leroy takes us back to Super Bowl XXXI, ending the city’s 30-year drought
30:15 - Leroy gets emotional reminiscing his life changing FSU scholarship offer from Bobby Bowden
36:15 - Leroy talks about overcoming poverty and his documentary film project
44:00 - Leroy talks business ventures, the creation of Leap Spirits vodka, and financial freedom
48:58 - Leroy reveals his greatest sports accomplishment
52:30 - Leroy shares who he believes are the top-5 defensive players of all time
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Peanut Tooman and this is the NFL Player Second
Acts podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I got my high school principal with me.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Roman Harper was up nothing, man, I appreciate the creativity
every time you announce me. Anyways, want to all of
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(00:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Just check us out.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, apologies for the same outfits we've been, you know,
wearing the same clothes for the same interview. We've done
this worth the Kansas City Draft right now. So we're
just gonna be rolling these out for the next couple
of weeks. Had a great guest on today, Leroy Butler.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I got five of these shirts.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Okay, anyway, we check out Lori Butler, awesome interview, give
it a listen.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm excited for our today's guest. I'm really really looking
forward to a big fan of him watching. In my
whole life growing up, I've actually played the same position
as he did.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Safety.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, let me welcome in my partner in crime, Charles
pen tellman, I don't even.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Care about him. I'm more about.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Our guest today, Lee Roy Butler. Let me read down
his resume right now. He was the second round pick
like myself. I will get to know what number he
was exactly when it was in the nineteen ninety draft
out of Florida State. He played his entire twelve year
career with the Green Bay Pactors. Green team, just say
green team.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
That's exactly why I'm doing the introduction today, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And then he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall
of Fame in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He's wearing his gear today.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He's also in the Packers Hall of Fame and the
Ring of Excellence.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I didn't know it was a difference.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And he now is a businessman with his own vodka
and a radio and TV podcast host. Our today's guest,
Lee Roy Butler, Number.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Thirty, guys, this is honor having three dvs on the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Show, right, we all have funny We always get geekd
when we get dvs. We do always get geek because
we all speak the same language. Yes, that's so, I
guess we are one of the ones, one of the
ways we kick this thing off, is we all have
our welcome to the NFIL moment.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I know I got my bell wrong. You know, I
got the whole rookie Hazen thing, and you know Ted Wahsington,
you know that's a I'll say that for another day.
What was your welcome to the NFL moment on the
field in nineteen nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety, like football was
a little different back then.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I want I want the off the field too, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, yeah, because I got a good field. I think
that's where I was gonna go. But on the field,
it was my rookie year. Was a three day holdout,
but it wasn't my fault. But didn't want to you know,
like I said, that was second round pick. So I
get in there late and then I come in and
(03:06):
you guys know, you come in the locker room and
you got grown men in there. Yeah, it's not kids,
like we're at college. So I go in there and
I and then the equipment guy says, you know, they're
already on the field. I said, so what do I do?
I just signed my contract. He said, get dressed. So
I go to my locker. I got number thirty six,
I put it on. I was I was six at
(03:27):
Florida State, so put it on. I go down there
and everything is fine, going through practice, and I think
we were playing a preseason game against Cleveland, but that
wasn't it. Later, Uh, somebody got hurt and I was
to back up nickelback and they say you may have
(03:51):
to couple Jerry Rice. I say, I ain't doing it. No,
I ain't doing it. Montana is the quarterback. And that's
when I said, God, I'm glad I got on yellow pants.
Correct now, I'm pissing my pants to go and God
is so good and God has really protected me. I
only had to cover him once and it was a
(04:11):
run play, and I said, man, this is the NFL,
because that's when San Francisco was rolling. Yeah, and we
weren't that good. I'll be honest at the time. But
so that's when I said, that's.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
And that's nineteen ninety right, Yes, yes, it's like I
never I never thought it would be like this because
as a kid growing up in the inner city in
the projects like I was, that was my dream to
be on this field, right right, So I'm thinking you
go cover anybody, you know, got to say that all
the time.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I'm the man. I'll cover anybody, not Jared or Taylor.
I didn't want nobody, nobody.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The first game I ever started was in two thousand
and three. It was the fourth game of the season,
and and I had to cover jer Rice. Oh boy,
Tim Tim Brown.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That was my first game Raiders careers.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
This is two thousand and three. You're talking about nineteen nineties.
I'm talking about two thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I still had to cover j Rice.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Now, I thought I did something good. I had like
three p I s. Because he because he d Rice,
because he's Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He got all the calls.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And I'm just when my coach was my coach came back,
was like, hey, you're doing a hell of a job, rook.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But that's j Rice.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
He gonna get that call every time.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Just keep being aggressive, keeping he gonna he gonna get
that Cally.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's amazing. I don't think you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I did not know that two Hall of Famers is
the first game I started.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It's like, welcome a great player the league. I was like,
oh my god, I gotta say something before I say
that off the field about Peanut. This is I didn't
waiting to tell you this a long time okay, because
I waited sixteen out. I know I'm getting ahead of myself.
But if I don't say, I'm gonna forget it. I
waited sixteen years getting the Pro Football of Fame. And
(06:04):
I remember a guy asking me when I was a
semi finalist. I said, if I had the hands of Peanut,
I'd already been in the Hall of Fame. He said, well,
I said, cause I dropped twelve picks. Now, I ain't
talking about don't want to tip. I'm not hit in
the chest. Yeah, because I can't catch. So I said,
if I had his hands, I have more picks, maybe
I would be in a long time ago. And it
(06:25):
was a Chicago writer. He put it on one of
the blobs or something, and one of the guys, uh said, man,
I thought the Bears the Packers hated each other. They
don't give each other's compliments. I said, man, that's fake
wrestling stuff. You you know, you honor a guy that
(06:47):
could do something better than you. So I always wanted
to tell you that I appreciate that. Thank you. Off
the field, I'm gonna tell you guys, for me, this
is emotional because I didn't have a. It wasn't a
lot of money back around. But the first meeting starts
at nine o'clock. Okay, so I'm thinking I can get
(07:08):
in there eight fifty eight in Florida State. You can
come in there at nine fifteen, and you all America, Okay,
you're good. I came in there, like read at nine
o'clock and everybody was looking out the last one.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Everybody looked at me. I'm late. I'm looking okay. When
I got down to my locker after the meeting, which
is about an hour, I had a fine in there
for ten thousand. Ooh. I said, this is my first fine.
So I don't know how it works. I don't. I'm
like reading it. I'm like, what was going? Oh, they
say you was late and it's one thousand dollars a minute.
(07:46):
I said, what why y'all didn't tell me that? He said,
you didn't read the rookie handbook. I said, no, there
isn't one. The veterans tell you. So it was like
a and I'm thinking it's just a joke, just a joke.
Hey man, they took it right right out your check.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I said, never se So nineteen ninety, how much was
it how much was a check in nineteen ninety What
would you say if you.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Can back then, we had checks. You're right, peanut. We
didn't have direct deposits, right like some of the millennials now. Now,
it was a check and they put it in your
So my my first one was two hundred and seventy thousand,
and after Fiker and the Fairs and everybody, I got
like maybe ninety eight because they they put some money
(08:29):
up to save for you. But I've been pour all
my life in poverty. And I told my mom, I said, Mom,
I got the first check. It's like ninety something thousand.
She said, put it away, do things. But it really
opened my eyes. Yeah. But and then somebody brought me
down because I thought it was a lot. Uh. Brian Noble,
(08:53):
I'm in the linebacker. He had a million dollars after taxes.
He said, don't worry about it. Real you got plenty
of time to make money. But that's when it put it.
It was. It was real deal for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Now we got to talk about something current and just
get it out the way.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The people want to know.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You're a Green Bay guy. Aaron Rodgers finally being gone
and traded.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Leg for them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, yeah, I just I just just I'm just leave
it at that.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What is your opinion on it?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Well, I'm gonna keep it one hundred.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I hope you do, because now this is gonna be
different from Uh. I played for one team my whole life,
the passion of that, so I look at different the
other guys, I really do. But with Aaron Rodgers, it
seemed like he's not happy. Yeah, because if I was
(09:48):
getting a three year, one hundred and fifty million dollar
game for yes, and the Packers gave him everything, and
we allow this with every quarterback, they can do whatever
they want to do, pay him the most money. Fine,
But what really it got under my skin was he
started to really pit himself against the team in which
(10:12):
they gave you everything, even when they got Randall Cobb
a couple of years ago. With the Cobs, love the
guys family, They did everything for you, check every box.
You still wasn't happy. And then you know, going into
the darkness, which I never even heard of it. He
can stayed in my basement of fifty thousand. You had
to go to Oregon, I mean he can stay down
(10:34):
there and brought it and set the phone down there
some food, but I had to get the money though, right,
But he was never happy and that really bothered me.
I'm like this fan base and Pina knows that their owners.
We don't have an owner. You have to buy a
stock certificate and you put it on your wall so
(10:57):
you feel like you have a say in the team.
And it just feels like when they drafted Jordan Love,
things got a little different. I think the narcissism probably
came out. They drafted Antoine Edwards from Clemson, a safety,
one of my best friends. He's supposed to replace me.
(11:19):
Darren Sharper. The drafted him, and I said to myself self,
I want this organization to succeed. When I'm going, I
don't care who you draft. That's my brother. It's a
competitive thing in there, especially if I was getting that
kind of money. But it just seemed like to me
that he was never happy. So I wasn't surprised that,
(11:43):
but I think let's go back. I think they gave
him the money though, guys to say, don't waffle like
Brett did for the next three years. Here's your money.
Just play.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, you played for the same organization.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Do you ever think about anywhere else, maybe like being
tired after they draft.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Do they taught draft Antoine Edwards like, man, I need
to get up out of here.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Never I had to talk with my mom. She passed
away in twenty sixteen, and I remember her saying, this
fan base, you can lose four straight. They ain't calling
for your job. You can go to the super Bowl
after thirty one years. They ain't trying to replace you.
They love you because they see it locally, because I
(12:30):
live in Wisconsin. You can't leave that. So I took
three pay cuts to do that because I said, this
fan base is amazing. I mean, I just they understand
that the other guy gets paid too. So if one
of you guys got to pick six against the Packers,
they're upset. And there may be some people, oh this
(12:52):
guy is a bum, but the majority of the people, aymen,
a guy made a great play and we understand that.
But for the most part, we're gonna win games. So
I remember the closest I got the leaving was ron
Wolf came to me. I was a transition player. Remember that.
I don't even know if they used that anymore. The average,
(13:12):
the top ten sound.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was a transition tag, right, Yes, that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Was they had the franchise. We always talk about that
Lamar had but he got congratulations to Lamar, but it
was like the top ten guys. That mean they'll match
it and if you give them a first or second
round whatever. And Ron Wolf came to me, he said,
you know what, We're gonna franchise tag you, but we're
gonna sign you to a deal, three year deal, and
(13:38):
do you really love it in green? I say more
than anything. We worked it out and then when it
came to me to restructure, see people get it sometimes
twisted restruction and pay because you get to look at
the language. Just gonna say a restructure. If you're a
grown man and you're your thirties, they just gonna write
your check four five million dollars. Let social media to
(14:00):
say you got a Bay cut.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But you got that money right right now?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, I mean, and you're not nothing to worry about.
If they release you, you can do whatever. So I
did that three times, and I just never had never
dawned on me playing in another uniform. I want to
see all my football cards one team. Sometimes it's not
your control. Yeah, they the team just release you or
trade you. But if my control like Aaron had a
(14:27):
chance to do that, there was nothing in me would
have said, I want to do exactly like Brett Fahre did,
waffle and go to the Jets. I just wouldn't have
done it.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I think it's rare that nowadays a player will play
for the same team. I, like yourself, wanted to remain.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
In Chicago my entire career in.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Years eleven and twelve were so terrible, like it made
football not fun for those two years I was there,
and I've been talking to other player who tried to.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Get me to go elsewhere. But I was to be
honest with you and be vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I was scared.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I was scared because I had been in Chicago for
so long.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And other players are other teams.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, because because I had signed a year deal. So
Thomas Davis, the linebacker for Carolina, we would talk and
he was like, I would always save me Super Bowl.
We'd be at this Man of the Year stuff and
he's like, man going to come to Carolina, Man going
to come to Charlotte's nice.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I was always like.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No, I'm a Chicago guy, you know. And then I
finally had to.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I had to get uncomfortable. And I preach this to
my kids all the time, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I
had to take my own advice and I was very
uncomfortable going to Carolina making that choice.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Like I was scared. And it was like, man, because
I know Chicago, they just like Green Bay. They take
care of you. It's like living on scholarship as an adult.
They love you, they love their teams.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And I didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I didn't want to leave that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I really was scared.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So now that you are in the Hall of.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Fame and you play for one of the greatest, oldest,
greatest teams in.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The NFL, how has life been in.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Wisconsin for you, even after making the making the Hall
of Fame?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, I say this. I think it's confusing to people
because they think when you're in the Hall of Fame,
they won't see you, Like if you're in la if
you're in New York, you know the big city. I
live in Old Creek, Wisconsin. Which is I say South
Milwaukee because you know you're google it And seriously, I
(16:44):
have no idea where it is. Alexa don't know where
it is. But they see me at the grocery store.
They see me taking my son to school every day
and they're like, with thof for sure you would move.
I say, I am who I am. That's why I
was in order for me to see kids because I
grew up in the inner city and Milwaukee is that
(17:05):
type on the North Side. When I speak to schools
about anti bullying, and I have a mental health summit
that's coming up in October, and I'm trying to develop
to where kids can get mental health on their phone,
like a FaceTime. You can talk to a therapist and
just say I have some issues. And here in Peanuts
saying on this podcast, he was scared of something probably
(17:30):
saved somebody's life. Because as men, you think I ain't
scared of nothing. No, it's not true. It's a lot
I'm scared of. But are you men enough to admit it?
That's their respect. That's why it gives me a huge platform.
But it also gives me a bigger platform to get
my message out because I'm working on a documentary about
(17:51):
my life story. Growing up in the projects, single family home,
had braces on my legs like Forrest Gump, my mom
getting a divorce from my dad, and Jacksonville, Florida, no
air conditioning, no stove, had hot plates, and to get
drafted by the packers. So when people see me, I
(18:14):
always try to I want to be normal, could I'll
be honest. I'm be honest because you' all my brothers.
I first made it. The guys who make it first ballot,
they're not really excited like me to wait sixteen years.
(18:38):
They expected it's ye just coming and they don't really
come around and some of them, some of them don't
really like to see me make it because it thinks
that waters down what they did. But when you were
a gold jacket, you're all goats. Nobody's of anybody right,
(19:00):
And I would wish they would say, you know what,
this is my brother, because it's only like three hundred
and seventy one guys in the Hall of Fame, super small,
and it's like you sit there letting everybody in. It's
almost like if you went to a family reunion and
everybody names on the shirt and you see a family's
(19:21):
name on the shirt and they didn't contribute, Like wait
a minute, the shirt's only five bucks. You didn't buy
your shirt, your names all that, and you're complaining, right,
so it just because people like Peanut. It shouldn't be
an issue whether or not he is in or not.
It shouldn't be an issue. So he's gonna feel like, man,
(19:46):
this is great, but they're gonna be a dB who
was in there. He said, Man, you know that's wrong.
It ain't up to you. It ain't up to you.
It's not up to you. It's up to people vote,
well do you like it or not? And I just
think that somebody like Zach Thomas, this guy was.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Huge, huge.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I loved his reaction.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I mean it was it was emotional.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's emotional.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, it's just like getting drafted again, Like it breaks
you down.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It breaks you down, and it's such a like I
made it to me.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's it's the same things about getting drafted when they
call out in the forty third pick or whatever the
New Orleans stakes, Roman Harpring for that moment.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Hell, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And then you get to experience that again when you
see the big guy, you know, the Hall of Fame dude,
the big real good he come knocking on your door
and yeah, I think it's I love how they do
it now and I'm glad they don't make people wait in.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The hotel room. Well, Jim Porter is the new I'm
glad you brought that up. It's a great transition. Jim
Porter is the new president. Now he's doing it different
than mister Baker. Like Peanut said, they would put you
in a room. Now you think I have anxiety. I
get a therapy once a week for the last twenty years,
and some of its free. Though it's all good. It's
(21:13):
a trade, but at least I go. But you sitting
in the room and you wait for a knock or
a phone call. I had to do that twice. One
time was in Miami, sitting in the hotel with my
wife and two of my best friends. We're just waiting, anxiety.
(21:34):
You just you never you got a phone call, and
the phone call says you didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So they put you in the hotel just to tell
who you didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yes, that's the excitement, I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
But do y'all say the night or is it just yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
They yeah, they yeah, you on scholarship. They yeah, they
put you up. But it's each wherever the super Bowl
is or whatever, and you're sitting in there. So the
next year, with the pandemic. So that's worse because everybody
gets a phone call. So you know the phone calls coming.
(22:08):
And I remember uh in twenty one shout out to
twenty one and one of my favorite rappers. By the way,
love Twitter bringing down Twitter.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Love Twitter. What I'm trying to get free tickets. Him
and Drake come to Milwalker, my brother. We go do
our part. We do do something for me. Some think it.
The guy says, hello, mister Butler. I said, yes, sir,
he said, Unfortunately, I said, what I see you next year.
(22:42):
You ain't got to get me out. I'm good because
I A lot of guys may not even get this call, right.
He said, you know what, that makes me feel so
good to make these calls because I just got cussed
out by four players. And I'm a Christian man, and
I do like, do not appreciate because I didn't. I
don't have no say so over whether you get in
(23:03):
or not. You bother you got, I'll say, let'sten call
the next guy. So this year, Jim Porter, who I appreciate.
He was at my house for two hours before I
knew who he was. He wanted to be all of me.
They got Charles Woodson to come to my house to
knock on the door. So now they had they'll go
(23:27):
to the door, or they'll come to your house with
like fifty camera men and women to get your reaction,
and they'll get one of your teammates to you know,
tell you and they'll call your wife and your family.
And so every year they've been switching it up the
last two years. But that's so the way. So if
(23:47):
you're at your home, your anxiety is coming down, and
you said, okay, I didn't make it if I got
a phone call, but at least some home, I didn't
travel somewhere, so it was pretty cool, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, I I don't think I knew the whole
complete process, especially emotionally. They take you somewhere, they put
you up, so naturally you're feeling good. But now you're
behind his closed door and you don't know, and it
kind of like you're saying, they put you through this
trauma almost if man, and you're doing this for however
many years, you've already been waiting sixteen And I'd never
(24:22):
heard anybody say I've been waiting sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
This was amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Most people don't wait for sixteen years and feel amazing
about the end result. Maybe who you share with us
is that just you as a person, or they just man,
you're just happy to be here. You understood that you
played in Green Bay and that after all this time,
I actually have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
To do it.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well a few things. Lee Ramo from the Green Bay Packers,
he was an immediate guy, came by my locker one day.
He say, man, you made a decade and I ain't
know what that meant. And he put his little readers down.
He looked over his glasses. You may be in a
hall of fame one day. I don't know when. So
I never thought a lot about it. And the more
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and more, you know, I retired. My mom two thousand
and nine. She was like, we should prepare for your speech.
I said, speech for what She said, you may make
the Hall of Fame. You got to be prepared. I said, Mom,
that's too narcissist to to do that. She said, first
of all, I don't know what that means. The second
of all, come, my mom was a comedian. She said,
just be prepared. And then it just seemed like to
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me that everything started to change when you're a finalist
because now you know it may happen, you really don't
know win. And then I was thinking, Okay, when it happens,
you know, try not to change. So I put it
like this guy, and I'll be very honest with you,
just the best way I could put it, because I
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want people to feel what it means to this kind
of knocked. It's almost as if, because I told my
wife this that you're a young lady. You've been dating
this young man for fifteen years, sixteen years, and every
day you think he's going to propose to me, but
he never does. Matter of fact, you go to five
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or six weddings and see your girlfriends up there getting married,
and you're sitting in the audience and it looks like
you're happening for it, but really you're saying, I hope
she tripped. I hope her hair piece fall off. I
hope something bad happened. But you said, oh, she's so beautiful.
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You take people to weddings to get that. Every year
you get there and it don't happen. But the one
time you give up on him, I'm done. We got
three kids, sixteen years and I'm done. You're never gonna
ask he get all the family together and you come
through and Charles Woodson is knocking at the door. That's
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what it feels like, something that you know was gonna happen.
You think it should happen. But am I entitled to it?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
But I've been here for so long. I've done all
these great things. I've gone to bar mitzvazz, I've gone
to like step shows, everything was it. I've been there
for him. He won't give me the ring. Then he
finally does. It's amazing. It's amazing feeling when you get
something that you personally think you deserve. But that don't mean.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That's a great I like how you I like how
you put that representation.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I do and talking about rings here peanut, don't get jealous.
You want to sit here, we go with this boat.
Could you talk and.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Share with me? Play in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I didn't even forget that. Yeah, back and then they're
like that.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Was I mean the super Bowl after, the party after
is probably amazing. Oh my god, So share with me,
like what it's like to bring a championship back to
the great fans in Green Bay and how special it is.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, you're one of their guys. You're in the
Ring of one Hunter and all those other things.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, he's in the Ring of Honor, but also is
it the Ring of excellence?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Semantics.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Really he's also a part of that one as well.
It says excellence though not I like this.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Don't disrespect it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Like this, you can't disrespect it. You're correct, both of
y'all correct.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Okay, thank you, y'all correct. So for me, it was
different because I was the only one there from nineteen
ninety when we were four and twelve, but it wasn't
my fault, though they need to get better players. The
next year were six and ten. It was terrible and great.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
We're gonna use that in Chicago that one year we
were nine.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Nothing to do a great year. But it was getting
dark at four o'clock to be realistic, So.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I've been there. It gets dark at four.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
God and my best friend Emms Smith Deon said they're
winning Super Bowls and I'm like, man, this single never happened.
But then we got Brett Faire, we got Reggie White,
and then I remember we beat Carolina nineteen ninety five
ninety six, and I saw a sign and they said
thirty years of misery has ended with going to the
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Super Bowl. I said, what, I didn't realize that the
fan base just waited thirty years from the next Super Bowl.
So that was very impactful. We go to New Orleans
and Super Dome is huge and it's amazing, and I
saw Luther Vandrosky and he was there. I said, lu,
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I'd have made it God, And then the Blues Brothers
were like the halftime entertainment. Dan aykro the Lucia and
these guys. It was a big deal. And I was like,
this is what I remember being a kid because I'm
a Cowboy fan growing up. I mean I was a
huge Cowboy fan. I used to crawl under the bed
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and cry when they lost games.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Like most Cowboy fans do today.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Still yah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
They still do it today.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Tell you, when I saw rocher Stalback, I almost fainted.
I mean, so I'm saying now, I'm here as an
African American from the South, from the projects, crime and
everything to make it to where And I saw the
the Lombardi on the trophy, and I know, Lombardi is
kind of our thing. Vince Lombardi Lombardi Trophy It was
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very emotional because I thought about that fan base, some
of dead and some of living for those thirty years,
thought they would never see it happen. So it was amazing.
Now we went the following year, but you can google
the results for that.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back
in a minute.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
So you you talk about, you know, growing up in poverty,
being poor Florida, What was what was that like when
obviously you're a heavily recruited kid coming out of high school.
Oh yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty sure you could have
went to any college.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm jealous. I'm envious.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I didn't have those skills like you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
But what was it like when when coach Bolden, uh,
when he offered you that scholarship.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
You're trying to make me cry, No, I do this,
my brother don't.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
What was that? What was that moment like y'all told
him to ask me this, No, sir, no, sir, okay,
professional makes up all of his own questions.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
H If you realized where I was from and what
I had to go through, I was a consensus all
American in high school. As you said, everybody know who
I was. But I got a letter from my teacher
and she said, you can't go to college. I said why,
She said, you didn't pass the essay T tests. I said,
what the hell is the essay T test? Well, you
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got to take that to get into college. I said, well,
she said you didn't pass that either. So my life
was over because the only way I thought to get
out of the project is my mam out of poverty
is to play in the NFL. So my life was over.
But I'm gonna tell you God, it's good because my
algebra teacher, mss Gordon, got a letter handwritten from coach
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Bobby Bowden Rest in peace, and he says, tell mister Buller,
I need to do a home visit. I'm coming to
see him. Now, think about this. I got letters from
every college because I was an All American. Every college
you can come to our school. But when they found
out I was a prop forty eight that I didn't
pass SAT, they all never rolle back. It was nothing.
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I got no letters from Florida State, pressed on, and
then I said to myself, wait a minute, why is
he coming to see me. He had thirty kids he
was recruiting, and I bet you twenty five of them
were all Americans. He could have made a home visit
to any one of those kids, anyone of them. But
he says, I'm coming to the projects to see mister Butler.
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And when he drove up and that maroon Buick, I'll
never forget it was a convoy. Can I remember telling
Brad Scott, the head recruiter, I said, man, where I live,
and you can't just be driving down in there now.
They don't think something up, you know, you can't rolling
there like u FBI. He said, don't even worry about it.
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And they had police down there and everything. They drive
up to our apartment and we have a couch. It
has like a big hole in it, and my sister
got like a two by four to put under the Yeah,
just sit there, and then she was trying to pull
the plastic from the love seeking it's smaller over there,
because she said, if he comes in, you know, it's hot.
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You know, we have nothing for him to drink but water,
but it got stuff on top of the water and
the one glass. Then we let my grandma drink out
of you know, it's clean. Say that for coaching, and
he walks in. He said, miss Butler, I gotta have it.
She got all emotional, and I'm thinking, waited, God, wait
a minute, why you pick me to navigate these rough waters?
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To know that I must go to college. Nobody in
my family has ever been to college. Nobody. I'd be
the first. And every night I was sleeping, I wake
up in a cold sweat, not from the air conditioning,
by the way, but saying I'm not gonna make it
cause I didn't pass the test. But when he told
my mom that changed my life. It made me think
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that this ain't no mistake. That I owe it to
my family, and I owe it to myself and the
people that believe in me. Not to get in no trouble,
not to go break the law, not to be out
smoking and drinking and doing no I used to get
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on the trailways in the Greyhound with my student I
d with nine dollars just to go back home. And
I said, I asked him, I said, Coach Bob, why
you pick me? He said, it was something about you
that I didn't get from the other guys. You just
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want a chance. I didn't even want to play. I
didn't have a position. I was a linebacker, you know,
high school, you play everything. It was just athletes. And
so my freshman year I didn't even play. And I
remember they went to play Michigan. They were going to
play Michigan, and the team's buses are leaving to go
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play Michigan. That is a big game. They got one
hundred thousand people stadium. It is huge. They're going to
the airport and I'm waving to the team smiling like
good luck, guys, and the guys on the bus like,
what the hell wrong with this guy? Man, this guy,
you should be upset you're not on the bus. I
got plenty of times. You just go play. I see
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y'all next year. I need to go get my books right.
I got my GP up to a three point ohero.
I focused in on what it was about. So when
you asked that question, it changed everything about me to
say that this ain't no mistake, right, and it was.
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It was my sister. She's still crying because she couldn't
believe it. This coach, you don't understand. Coach Bobby Ball
was an eye country. He had his own show and
it come on right after church, because you know, downside,
we go to church two hun the day's a week Okay,
he missing church and there's a Bobby Ballen show. Now
he's in the project to see my brother, and so
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it was like changing.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's so you've had success in well, yeah, you've had
success in high school, success in college, success.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
In the league, super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Now you're a Hall of Famer and you're working on
this documentary just about your life and just kind of
the struggles and the success and everything that you've done
up until this point in your life. Like, what are
you hoping to get out of that?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I just want a young lady, young man somewhere to say,
you know what, it's bad for me, but it can't
get no worse than mister Bucker and he made it. Yeah,
he ain't no better than me, right it? And you
don't need money. Because we were popping my first new
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shirt I ever had to I pop a tag. I
always wanted to hear that sound you pop a tag,
and it never came until I was twelve years old.
We went to the Salvation Army and they had toys
over here and they had all this stuff and I
told my mom, I don't want no toys. I want
that shirt. It was just a regular white T shirt.
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Sort of like what Peanut has on. Just like I said,
I want that shirt. It wasn't even my size, but
in my head I wanted to pop that tag. And
now young lady said, you know what, go get this shirt,
Go get it, popped it, put it on and it
didn't even fit me. My sister had to like tie
it in like a nod and flip it. But to me,
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I say, I want people to say, if you don't
like a restaurant, start your own. If you don't like
the way somebody's doing something, start your own business. My
grandmother gave me the best compliment. She said, you have
a unique ability because God gave everybody a talent, and
your talent is you could ignore negative stuff if it
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ain't true, ignore it because once they know that it
gets her in your skin, you're gonna see it every day.
And that's what made me say, when people see me
and they see this document, I ain't never known this
guy had it this bad? Yeah, and how's he so grounded?
House He's a normal guy, And that's what it's gonna
find out. I want to be a normal person, to
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be a leader, not a follower. But if you're going
to follow, you to write leaders, and to me, it's
my teachers, our grandparents. My mom is my hero, the
people I see every day. It wasn't a guy dunek
to the basketball or playing football. It was my mom
every day to get on three buses, just a carpool
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to bring food home. And then when food didn't come,
you go to the food pantry and you stand in
line and kids are on the bus and cars screaming
and yelling, picking at you because I'm trying to eat.
And my mom said, why that don't bother you? I said,
could all those kids go on my autograph? Because I'm
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here to survive, to make it for you, and that's
what they're gonna get out of it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So when does this come out and how can we
possibly get it?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
It's gonna be by two years because I'm blessed because
it's hard to find your teachers. I'm fifty four years old,
and I found two of my teachers. Ms. Gordon, who's
in my Hall of Fame speech, and mister Gracie, my
ninth grade basketball coach who helped me shoot free throws.
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He said, they're gonna file you, so you got to
shoot free throws when everybody was gone, I say, oh,
I'm about to miss the bus. I'll take you. People
don't know coaches do this. So to find the people,
I need to really put it together. And then the
last thing, the apartments or projects where I was born
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and grew up, is gone toward now, so it's too
much crime. They got rid of it. So I would
think my if I had blessing, which is God is good,
twenty twenty five, July twenty eighth, will be the premier.
That's my mom birthday July twenty eighth, because it's about her,
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because she's passed on, but she's still orchestrating my life.
And it seemed like one of the best compliments I
got from the filmmaker Patrick Creating. He said, when you
meet Leroy Butler, it's like his mom standing right behind him.
They think about that. Wherever you at, your mom standing out,
you're gonna act a certain way, even if you're shooting dice.
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You had to canseay you know, you're okay, Mom, I
can't do this, can't It don't matter. That was an
ultimate compliment.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
You know, Larroi, it seems like when I hear you talk,
how much other people in your life have influenced you.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yes, and it just you know, because.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
You maybe talk about that and how you've passed that
down to your own children, and like how you're trying
to influence them, not only them, but everybody else in
your life. Talked about teachers, you talked about parent you
talked about coaches, everybody else has really helped influence the
Roy Butler, how are you taking that and moving to
forward in your life?
Speaker 4 (42:11):
That's another great question because I don't think people realize
I got my first book and you have. They had
what you call a book mobile. It's like you're going
to and buy books. I couldn't afford it, so officer
friendly that the resource office.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
At the school his n officer friendly.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
We used to call them brown. Yeah, it was offsprinded,
but then officer brown. So we used to call all
the resource officer officer friendly. And he said, why ain't
you getting any books? I said, I can't afford it
because I wouldn't hand me down. My brother wore this. Uh.
I used to tell them that the kids say, your
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brother wore that two weeks ago. I said, you're wrong.
My brother had it on yesterday and I watched it
out of us thinking and I put it on. I'm
not in school for a fashion show. I'm in school
to learn from this artest people in the world. But
he said, come see me tomorrow. I go by there.
I didn't go on the bus. I just stood outside
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and looked at you get the books. Kids have got books?
Who can afford it? I got buy his control car.
He has seven books for me. Put them in the bag.
He bought me a backpack and he gave it to me.
I said, I can't afford this. He said, I paid
for him. So my mom when she saw that, she said, you,
I know you didn't steal these books. I said, no, ma'am.
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Officer Friendly gave it to me Officer Brian. So my
first book that I own that I didn't have to
check out of the library and return it was from
a police officer. And that changed my life. So I
tell my kids. I have six daughters and a son.
My son's my favorite. Don't tell my six daughters. Did
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they know? Trust me? You want to be my favorite?
Work harder my kids. I teach them to be leaders
in the community, and I teach them whoever helps you
just put that message out there. And that's what I'm
a big message board for helping people. And that's what
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I always try to tell my kids, my cousins, my nephews,
my nieces. You didn't do it alone. Your parents deserve this.
Your parents help you and try to get them to
be independent, but really helping people. I don't want to
be the headline. I want to be the story. Some
people see the headline, they keep read on swiping. Why
(44:35):
don't you go back and read, Oh, I got the
facts of what happened. You just see the headline that
just rolls people in.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
So your leadership, I mean, you're you're you're real big
in leadership, and I think that's kind of trans transferred
into your business. And you previously just said, well, if
you don't like it, just make one on your own.
The fact is that that kind of how you came
up with.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Great question, man, y'all good?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Because leaf spirits, is that how you came up with that?
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You're good, y'all good. I don't have an Emmy for y'all,
but I'm gonna have to write up something we'll take
at I'm telling you, that's exactly what I had in
my head when I got this phone call. Because what
I'm about to tell you, probably gonna shock you, both
you and your audience. But I get a call in
the this right in the pandemic Chad Greenway that played
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for Minnesota. People say exactly, and we just got y yeah, yeah,
shout out to Van Nest. We just got him from
Iowa for the UH at the Packers. So I get
a phone call and Chad said, l Roy, what's up? Man?
I said that man was going on? He said, Man,
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I got a business opportunity. I get a lot of
those phone calls, but sometimes they don't never go nowhere.
He was like, Man, we want to great dut Is
the company want to start a vodka in Wisconsin. We
want you to be a part of it. I said, well,
now know, Chad, I don't drink. He said what I said,
I don't drink. But every time I drive to the stadium,
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I see thousands of people in the parking lot. I'm like,
what the hell are they doing? Won't they just go
home and just come win the games? They tailgate? So
I said, you know what, this is what I'll do
if you can let me name it and be an owner,
not an ambassador. Because shout out to fifty got a
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lot of vodka. I don't drink none of it's for y'all.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I didn't even know he didn't drink, right, exactly, it's
not your portfolio.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
He got a big one.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
It's portfolio. He kill it right now, preach.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
So I said, well, you know what, let me so
he's they made a presentation. We're in. I can call
it lap vodka, and which was amazing, and then it
was perfect too, could just rep I mean, everything was
coming on the upswing of getting in the Hall of Fame.
And then I said, and you know this, we also
(47:10):
know for brons and the state of not sausages, bros
cheese skirts. Yes, that's our thing. So I started my
own brock as well. And I because I'm a culinary guy, Uh,
could I do all the cooking in the house seven
days a week. I tell my wife, I'm gonna cook,
(47:30):
I'm gonna clean, I'm gonna play the bills, I'm gonna
do everything. You just keep them damn kids away from me. Okay,
that's your job, except for my son. It's twelve years old.
That's my dog. So the business side of that, you
have to do that because when you're sleeping, you gotta
make money. And that's what my mom told me. She said,
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I don't need you don't need to be the richest
guy in the world. You just want to be enough
to where you could pay your bills and have enough
for the phone calls. I know, both of y'all get
can you cash out me two hundred? Can you zell
me zay Ooh? What the hell is that? Can you
vendoo me? These are your kids, your family members, and
they don't expect you to say no, So you gotta
have money for that. And you also have to have
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money for the one thing I'll say about Andrew Brandt
from the Packers, me and him had a conversation. This
is my last big deal, I said, Andrew, I want
to be rich when I'm old, not when i'm young.
He said, huh. I said, think about it. You get
your Social Security in your sixty five or whatever, and
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you can live out your great days when you're young
throwing money up, got bent Lee's and all that, and
then when you're in your fifties and sixty you broke.
I don't want that. I want to have a seven
point fifty to eight hundred credit score. I want to
have money in the bank when I start to hit
sixty years old, so that's why I do business opportunities
(48:57):
like that. So when I hit that ade man, we
try to get a little roy on the podcast. Man,
this man golfing and Bermuda. Ain't that a triangle? No,
he's golfing there by himself with these rich folks. He
got a yacht. No that. I mean, that's what I
want when I'm older. And I tell young men that
now you want to be rich when you hit sixty.
(49:19):
You can get your pension if you want to, you
can get all that, but save that money. Save it.
I mean, if you want to really floss on them,
go to Claire's and get you some fake jury. They're
not gonna know.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Do they expect?
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yeah them real Domino, they ain't. But you save your
money when you're older, not when you're younger.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
All right, yea, So we're gonna we're gonna pivot. We're
gonna hit hit you with some quick hitters, real quick.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I think I know the answer to this.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
I better take a drink on them.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, because you answer to this.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I think I know what it is. But what do
you think your greatest sports accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Is Oh, my greatest sportsccomplishment.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Watch him say, like high school basketball.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
I should say that throwman. Now I say that I.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Was great pe when I need dollars, I was All
Conference at basketball.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Okay, Now I'm one of the greatest shooters of all time. Me,
Regie Miller, Michael rid Steph Curry were all in the
same thing. But I put that to the side. Now,
Michael Ridd, I got Michael Red the Bucks. Yeah, it's
had to get people name they can google. But I
think the greatest accomplishment that I wake up as I'm
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in all the state of Florida picked thirty three players
for one hundred years and I was on that team.
Oh wow, that blew my mind. That's big. That blew
my mind, especially the.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
State of Florida.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
They got some some balls.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
To this day, I still don't even believe it. So
that that that's probably my biggest accomplishment. I would say,
if I could pick one play, if.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
You don't mind, go Pleat the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Playing the Super Bowl, I go over to the coach.
I said, hey, I ain't blitched yet and we're in
the third quarter. Was happ't it? I mean, what my
family sitting up there too. He said, what are you
talking about? I said, man. He said, okay, if they
get split backs with Dave Maggott away from Reggie, you
can go. I said, you sure, yes, but you know
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you got to tell your safety, which was Eugene Robinson.
I said, Eugene, if they give me a split bag
or the back offset to my side, I'm gone. I'm
gonna translate that means I'm blitzing.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Appreciate lady us don't know that.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
I'm gone, because both of y'all know. When I say
I'm gone, ain't no coming back. I don't care if
he's motion, I'm gone. And I got the formation, so
I gino. He'said, okay, Rod, he just got a little
deeper because I got covered. Swim from a cover four
til I'm gone, So weak side it's a hole there, yeah,
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and shout out that Drew Blad So that's my guy.
I'm sorry, Drew, but going there and Maggot comes and
he didn't cut me. I say, it's gonna cut me.
Didn't cut me, so I went through him. I had
the leverage, and I saw Blodsoul's name, and this would
be allegedly a horse callar now, but don't go look
(52:23):
at it, not.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Inside the pocket.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yeah, there you go, Thank you Roman, smart guy got
you grab him. I sacked him and I did some
weird dance. Forget about that part. When I got to
the bench, one of the interns came to me and say,
you know what, eighty million people probably saw that place,
and that's the one I wake up, and I say,
cause I got a picture of it on my wall,
(52:47):
and every me and my son eating breakfast, it's like
rapped behind we kind of look at it. What you
can do when you study and when you you know,
how did that that formation even run a slant? I'm
gone ready for the moment. He's to do it all
the time. And you know how you when you squat
and there it is only saftists can know that what
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it was that play, that that was the preparation.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
My question is your top five defensive players all time?
Speaker 4 (53:19):
Top five defensive players. Yes, it's some bias now, Reggie
White love that. Reggie White to me changed the game
because I never knew they can slide the line to
a guy. I thought they just max protect, but they
would slide the line to Reggie Lawrence Taylor to me,
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is a difference maker because he told you what he
was going to do and he would do it.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
And do you have an example where you heard him
say something and he went out.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
There and did it. Oh, whenever Lawrence Taylor. See to
Lawrence Taylor playing Dallas Philly in his division, that's when
I used to watch. I gotta see this playing Washington,
I mean, and then they used to have them micd
up back in the day. Yeah, and I forgot who
(54:13):
he's sacked. He said, son, this is gonna happen all day.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
That was against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I remember that player on the NFL films he sacked
and was like, I looked at him.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Like, son, Yeah, I actually wanted two dollars from a
golf bet. But that's my guy. He's fine. Reggae, White
fifty six and Deon Sanders to me is he taught
me about branding long before branding was a thing. When
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he was at Florida State. He has to say, I'm
the best corner, and I think I was like a
sophomore agin. If they kicked the ball to me, it's
a touchdown. I mean. So he was just transcending. I
don't think ever see another Dion Sanders Deion sand argue
that could be the best player of all time. So
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those three and then this next guy. I get emotional
saying them because he can be arguably the best. Ronnie Lot,
there's not another safety to me that made a difference
to run a Lot and to boot. He's a nice guy,
but he played so mean. He used to run through people. Yes,
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he never dropped the pick. I said, let me see
your fingers. He said, wow, he said let me see
because one of them I heard he cut his finger
off and I'm like, let me see, come on, and
he so he was. That guy was amazing man. Ronnie
Lot and this other guy the reason why I think
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he should be. He's in my top five. I mean,
you're gonna forget a lot of people. But Darryl Green
is so fast because people his size ain't supposed to
do that.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Great point.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
I tell people all the time it ain't about size
and height, weight, it's if you can play. And twenty
eight to me was amazing. So Dahn, that's my five.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
I like it too.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Hey man, that's an amazing answer, dope answer.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
I love it. You.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Thank you for coming on the show. We appreciate a pleasure.
This is a pleasure. You blessed us. Truly, you have
not disappointed. You brought us it first of all, and
we just all got it.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Let's got to keep it one hundred.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
This is the first time twenty one Savage has been
referenced on this podcast. We also had a drake drop
and I've never heard anybody compliment Michael Jordan's baldhead like you.
Speaker 4 (56:50):
Have, so hey man, but Gold James is the greatest
of all time. That's right.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Thank you guys for listening. You know, with every show
we do, in every guest we have, we try to
make it very authentic and just be vulnerable and open
and secure and make this a safe place for these
guys to talk. And you guys have been awesome for
supporting us. We can't thank you enough. We are here
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I got my high school principal with me.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Roman Harper was up nothing, man, I appreciate the creativity
every time you announce me. Anyways, want to all of
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Just check us out.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, apologies for the same outfits we've been, you know,
wearing the same clothes for the same interview. We've done
this worth the Kansas City Draft right now. So we're
just gonna be rolling these out for the next couple
of weeks. Had a great guest on today, Leroy Butler.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I got five of these shirts.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Okay, anyway, we check out Lori Butler, awesome interview, give
it a listen.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I'm excited for our today's guest. I'm really really looking
forward to a big fan of him watching. In my
whole life growing up, I've actually played the same position
as he did.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Safety.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Well, let me welcome in my partner in crime, Charles
pen tellman, I don't even.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Care about him. I'm more about.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Our guest today, Lee Roy Butler. Let me read down
his resume right now. He was the second round pick
like myself. I will get to know what number he
was exactly when it was in the nineteen ninety draft
out of Florida State. He played his entire twelve year
career with the Green Bay Pactors. Green team, just say
green team.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
That's exactly why I'm doing the introduction today, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And then he was inducted into the Pro Football Hall
of Fame in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He's wearing his gear today.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
He's also in the Packers Hall of Fame and the
Ring of Excellence.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I didn't know it was a difference.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And he now is a businessman with his own vodka
and a radio and TV podcast host. Our today's guest,
Lee Roy Butler, Number.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Thirty, guys, this is honor having three dvs on the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Show, right, we all have funny We always get geekd
when we get dvs. We do always get geek because
we all speak the same language. Yes, that's so, I
guess we are one of the ones, one of the
ways we kick this thing off, is we all have
our welcome to the NFIL moment.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I know I got my bell wrong. You know, I
got the whole rookie Hazen thing, and you know Ted Wahsington,
you know that's a I'll say that for another day.
What was your welcome to the NFL moment on the
field in nineteen nineteen ninety, nineteen ninety, like football was
a little different back then.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I want I want the off the field too, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, yeah, because I got a good field. I think
that's where I was gonna go. But on the field,
it was my rookie year. Was a three day holdout,
but it wasn't my fault. But didn't want to you know,
like I said, that was second round pick. So I
get in there late and then I come in and
(03:06):
you guys know, you come in the locker room and
you got grown men in there. Yeah, it's not kids,
like we're at college. So I go in there and
I and then the equipment guy says, you know, they're
already on the field. I said, so what do I do?
I just signed my contract. He said, get dressed. So
I go to my locker. I got number thirty six,
I put it on. I was I was six at
(03:27):
Florida State, so put it on. I go down there
and everything is fine, going through practice, and I think
we were playing a preseason game against Cleveland, but that
wasn't it. Later, Uh, somebody got hurt and I was
to back up nickelback and they say you may have
(03:51):
to couple Jerry Rice. I say, I ain't doing it. No,
I ain't doing it. Montana is the quarterback. And that's
when I said, God, I'm glad I got on yellow pants.
Correct now, I'm pissing my pants to go and God
is so good and God has really protected me. I
only had to cover him once and it was a
(04:11):
run play, and I said, man, this is the NFL,
because that's when San Francisco was rolling. Yeah, and we
weren't that good. I'll be honest at the time. But
so that's when I said, that's.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
And that's nineteen ninety right, Yes, yes, it's like I
never I never thought it would be like this because
as a kid growing up in the inner city in
the projects like I was, that was my dream to
be on this field, right right, So I'm thinking you
go cover anybody, you know, got to say that all
the time.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
I'm the man. I'll cover anybody, not Jared or Taylor.
I didn't want nobody, nobody.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
The first game I ever started was in two thousand
and three. It was the fourth game of the season,
and and I had to cover jer Rice. Oh boy,
Tim Tim Brown.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
That was my first game Raiders careers.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
This is two thousand and three. You're talking about nineteen nineties.
I'm talking about two thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I still had to cover j Rice.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Now, I thought I did something good. I had like
three p I s. Because he because he d Rice,
because he's Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
He got all the calls.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And I'm just when my coach was my coach came back,
was like, hey, you're doing a hell of a job, rook.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But that's j Rice.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
He gonna get that call every time.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Just keep being aggressive, keeping he gonna he gonna get
that Cally.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's amazing. I don't think you.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I did not know that two Hall of Famers is
the first game I started.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It's like, welcome a great player the league. I was like,
oh my god, I gotta say something before I say
that off the field about Peanut. This is I didn't
waiting to tell you this a long time okay, because
I waited sixteen out. I know I'm getting ahead of myself.
But if I don't say, I'm gonna forget it. I
waited sixteen years getting the Pro Football of Fame. And
(06:04):
I remember a guy asking me when I was a
semi finalist. I said, if I had the hands of Peanut,
I'd already been in the Hall of Fame. He said, well,
I said, cause I dropped twelve picks. Now, I ain't
talking about don't want to tip. I'm not hit in
the chest. Yeah, because I can't catch. So I said,
if I had his hands, I have more picks, maybe
I would be in a long time ago. And it
(06:25):
was a Chicago writer. He put it on one of
the blobs or something, and one of the guys, uh said, man,
I thought the Bears the Packers hated each other. They
don't give each other's compliments. I said, man, that's fake
wrestling stuff. You you know, you honor a guy that
(06:47):
could do something better than you. So I always wanted
to tell you that I appreciate that. Thank you. Off
the field, I'm gonna tell you guys, for me, this
is emotional because I didn't have a. It wasn't a
lot of money back around. But the first meeting starts
at nine o'clock. Okay, so I'm thinking I can get
(07:08):
in there eight fifty eight in Florida State. You can
come in there at nine fifteen, and you all America, Okay,
you're good. I came in there, like read at nine
o'clock and everybody was looking out the last one.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Everybody looked at me. I'm late. I'm looking okay. When
I got down to my locker after the meeting, which
is about an hour, I had a fine in there
for ten thousand. Ooh. I said, this is my first fine.
So I don't know how it works. I don't. I'm
like reading it. I'm like, what was going? Oh, they
say you was late and it's one thousand dollars a minute.
(07:46):
I said, what why y'all didn't tell me that? He said,
you didn't read the rookie handbook. I said, no, there
isn't one. The veterans tell you. So it was like
a and I'm thinking it's just a joke, just a joke.
Hey man, they took it right right out your check.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I said, never se So nineteen ninety, how much was
it how much was a check in nineteen ninety What
would you say if you.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Can back then, we had checks. You're right, peanut. We
didn't have direct deposits, right like some of the millennials now. Now,
it was a check and they put it in your
So my my first one was two hundred and seventy thousand,
and after Fiker and the Fairs and everybody, I got
like maybe ninety eight because they they put some money
(08:29):
up to save for you. But I've been pour all
my life in poverty. And I told my mom, I said, Mom,
I got the first check. It's like ninety something thousand.
She said, put it away, do things. But it really
opened my eyes. Yeah. But and then somebody brought me
down because I thought it was a lot. Uh. Brian Noble,
(08:53):
I'm in the linebacker. He had a million dollars after taxes.
He said, don't worry about it. Real you got plenty
of time to make money. But that's when it put it.
It was. It was real deal for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Now we got to talk about something current and just
get it out the way.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
The people want to know.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
You're a Green Bay guy. Aaron Rodgers finally being gone
and traded.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Leg for them.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, yeah, I just I just just I'm just leave
it at that.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
What is your opinion on it?
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Well, I'm gonna keep it one hundred.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I hope you do, because now this is gonna be
different from Uh. I played for one team my whole life,
the passion of that, so I look at different the
other guys, I really do. But with Aaron Rodgers, it
seemed like he's not happy. Yeah, because if I was
(09:48):
getting a three year, one hundred and fifty million dollar
game for yes, and the Packers gave him everything, and
we allow this with every quarterback, they can do whatever
they want to do, pay him the most money. Fine,
But what really it got under my skin was he
started to really pit himself against the team in which
(10:12):
they gave you everything, even when they got Randall Cobb
a couple of years ago. With the Cobs, love the
guys family, They did everything for you, check every box.
You still wasn't happy. And then you know, going into
the darkness, which I never even heard of it. He
can stayed in my basement of fifty thousand. You had
to go to Oregon, I mean he can stay down
(10:34):
there and brought it and set the phone down there
some food, but I had to get the money though, right,
But he was never happy and that really bothered me.
I'm like this fan base and Pina knows that their owners.
We don't have an owner. You have to buy a
stock certificate and you put it on your wall so
(10:57):
you feel like you have a say in the team.
And it just feels like when they drafted Jordan Love,
things got a little different. I think the narcissism probably
came out. They drafted Antoine Edwards from Clemson, a safety,
one of my best friends. He's supposed to replace me.
(11:19):
Darren Sharper. The drafted him, and I said to myself self,
I want this organization to succeed. When I'm going, I
don't care who you draft. That's my brother. It's a
competitive thing in there, especially if I was getting that
kind of money. But it just seemed like to me
that he was never happy. So I wasn't surprised that,
(11:43):
but I think let's go back. I think they gave
him the money though, guys to say, don't waffle like
Brett did for the next three years. Here's your money.
Just play.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, you played for the same organization.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Do you ever think about anywhere else, maybe like being
tired after they draft.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Do they taught draft Antoine Edwards like, man, I need
to get up out of here.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Never I had to talk with my mom. She passed
away in twenty sixteen, and I remember her saying, this
fan base, you can lose four straight. They ain't calling
for your job. You can go to the super Bowl
after thirty one years. They ain't trying to replace you.
They love you because they see it locally, because I
(12:30):
live in Wisconsin. You can't leave that. So I took
three pay cuts to do that because I said, this
fan base is amazing. I mean, I just they understand
that the other guy gets paid too. So if one
of you guys got to pick six against the Packers,
they're upset. And there may be some people, oh this
(12:52):
guy is a bum, but the majority of the people, aymen,
a guy made a great play and we understand that.
But for the most part, we're gonna win games. So
I remember the closest I got the leaving was ron
Wolf came to me. I was a transition player. Remember that.
I don't even know if they used that anymore. The average,
(13:12):
the top ten sound.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
It was a transition tag, right, Yes, that.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Was they had the franchise. We always talk about that
Lamar had but he got congratulations to Lamar, but it
was like the top ten guys. That mean they'll match
it and if you give them a first or second
round whatever. And Ron Wolf came to me, he said,
you know what, We're gonna franchise tag you, but we're
gonna sign you to a deal, three year deal, and
(13:38):
do you really love it in green? I say more
than anything. We worked it out and then when it
came to me to restructure, see people get it sometimes
twisted restruction and pay because you get to look at
the language. Just gonna say a restructure. If you're a
grown man and you're your thirties, they just gonna write
your check four five million dollars. Let social media to
(14:00):
say you got a Bay cut.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But you got that money right right now?
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, I mean, and you're not nothing to worry about.
If they release you, you can do whatever. So I
did that three times, and I just never had never
dawned on me playing in another uniform. I want to
see all my football cards one team. Sometimes it's not
your control. Yeah, they the team just release you or
trade you. But if my control like Aaron had a
(14:27):
chance to do that, there was nothing in me would
have said, I want to do exactly like Brett Fahre did,
waffle and go to the Jets. I just wouldn't have
done it.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
I think it's rare that nowadays a player will play
for the same team. I, like yourself, wanted to remain.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
In Chicago my entire career in.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Years eleven and twelve were so terrible, like it made
football not fun for those two years I was there,
and I've been talking to other player who tried to.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Get me to go elsewhere. But I was to be
honest with you and be vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
I was scared.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I was scared because I had been in Chicago for
so long.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And other players are other teams.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Yeah, because because I had signed a year deal. So
Thomas Davis, the linebacker for Carolina, we would talk and
he was like, I would always save me Super Bowl.
We'd be at this Man of the Year stuff and
he's like, man going to come to Carolina, Man going
to come to Charlotte's nice.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I was always like.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
No, I'm a Chicago guy, you know. And then I
finally had to.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
I had to get uncomfortable. And I preach this to
my kids all the time, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I
had to take my own advice and I was very
uncomfortable going to Carolina making that choice.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Like I was scared. And it was like, man, because
I know Chicago, they just like Green Bay. They take
care of you. It's like living on scholarship as an adult.
They love you, they love their teams.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And I didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I didn't want to leave that.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I really was scared.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So now that you are in the Hall of.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Fame and you play for one of the greatest, oldest,
greatest teams in.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
The NFL, how has life been in.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Wisconsin for you, even after making the making the Hall
of Fame?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Well, I say this. I think it's confusing to people
because they think when you're in the Hall of Fame,
they won't see you, Like if you're in la if
you're in New York, you know the big city. I
live in Old Creek, Wisconsin. Which is I say South
Milwaukee because you know you're google it And seriously, I
(16:44):
have no idea where it is. Alexa don't know where
it is. But they see me at the grocery store.
They see me taking my son to school every day
and they're like, with thof for sure you would move.
I say, I am who I am. That's why I
was in order for me to see kids because I
grew up in the inner city and Milwaukee is that
(17:05):
type on the North Side. When I speak to schools
about anti bullying, and I have a mental health summit
that's coming up in October, and I'm trying to develop
to where kids can get mental health on their phone,
like a FaceTime. You can talk to a therapist and
just say I have some issues. And here in Peanuts
saying on this podcast, he was scared of something probably
(17:30):
saved somebody's life. Because as men, you think I ain't
scared of nothing. No, it's not true. It's a lot
I'm scared of. But are you men enough to admit it?
That's their respect. That's why it gives me a huge platform.
But it also gives me a bigger platform to get
my message out because I'm working on a documentary about
(17:51):
my life story. Growing up in the projects, single family home,
had braces on my legs like Forrest Gump, my mom
getting a divorce from my dad, and Jacksonville, Florida, no
air conditioning, no stove, had hot plates, and to get
drafted by the packers. So when people see me, I
(18:14):
always try to I want to be normal, could I'll
be honest. I'm be honest because you' all my brothers.
I first made it. The guys who make it first ballot,
they're not really excited like me to wait sixteen years.
(18:38):
They expected it's ye just coming and they don't really
come around and some of them, some of them don't
really like to see me make it because it thinks
that waters down what they did. But when you were
a gold jacket, you're all goats. Nobody's of anybody right,
(19:00):
And I would wish they would say, you know what,
this is my brother, because it's only like three hundred
and seventy one guys in the Hall of Fame, super small,
and it's like you sit there letting everybody in. It's
almost like if you went to a family reunion and
everybody names on the shirt and you see a family's
(19:21):
name on the shirt and they didn't contribute, Like wait
a minute, the shirt's only five bucks. You didn't buy
your shirt, your names all that, and you're complaining, right,
so it just because people like Peanut. It shouldn't be
an issue whether or not he is in or not.
It shouldn't be an issue. So he's gonna feel like, man,
(19:46):
this is great, but they're gonna be a dB who
was in there. He said, Man, you know that's wrong.
It ain't up to you. It ain't up to you.
It's not up to you. It's up to people vote,
well do you like it or not? And I just
think that somebody like Zach Thomas, this guy was.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Huge, huge.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
I loved his reaction.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I mean it was it was emotional.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
It's emotional.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, it's just like getting drafted again, Like it breaks
you down.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It breaks you down, and it's such a like I
made it to me.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
It's it's the same things about getting drafted when they
call out in the forty third pick or whatever the
New Orleans stakes, Roman Harpring for that moment.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Hell, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And then you get to experience that again when you
see the big guy, you know, the Hall of Fame dude,
the big real good he come knocking on your door
and yeah, I think it's I love how they do
it now and I'm glad they don't make people wait in.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
The hotel room. Well, Jim Porter is the new I'm
glad you brought that up. It's a great transition. Jim
Porter is the new president. Now he's doing it different
than mister Baker. Like Peanut said, they would put you
in a room. Now you think I have anxiety. I
get a therapy once a week for the last twenty years,
and some of its free. Though it's all good. It's
(21:13):
a trade, but at least I go. But you sitting
in the room and you wait for a knock or
a phone call. I had to do that twice. One
time was in Miami, sitting in the hotel with my
wife and two of my best friends. We're just waiting, anxiety.
(21:34):
You just you never you got a phone call, and
the phone call says you didn't make it.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So they put you in the hotel just to tell
who you didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Yes, that's the excitement, I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
But do y'all say the night or is it just yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
They yeah, they yeah, you on scholarship. They yeah, they
put you up. But it's each wherever the super Bowl
is or whatever, and you're sitting in there. So the
next year, with the pandemic. So that's worse because everybody
gets a phone call. So you know the phone calls coming.
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And I remember uh in twenty one shout out to
twenty one and one of my favorite rappers. By the way,
love Twitter bringing down Twitter.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Love Twitter. What I'm trying to get free tickets. Him
and Drake come to Milwalker, my brother. We go do
our part. We do do something for me. Some think it.
The guy says, hello, mister Butler. I said, yes, sir,
he said, Unfortunately, I said, what I see you next year.
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You ain't got to get me out. I'm good because
I A lot of guys may not even get this call, right.
He said, you know what, that makes me feel so
good to make these calls because I just got cussed
out by four players. And I'm a Christian man, and
I do like, do not appreciate because I didn't. I
don't have no say so over whether you get in
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or not. You bother you got, I'll say, let'sten call
the next guy. So this year, Jim Porter, who I appreciate.
He was at my house for two hours before I
knew who he was. He wanted to be all of me.
They got Charles Woodson to come to my house to
knock on the door. So now they had they'll go
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to the door, or they'll come to your house with
like fifty camera men and women to get your reaction,
and they'll get one of your teammates to you know,
tell you and they'll call your wife and your family.
And so every year they've been switching it up the
last two years. But that's so the way. So if
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you're at your home, your anxiety is coming down, and
you said, okay, I didn't make it if I got
a phone call, but at least some home, I didn't
travel somewhere, so it was pretty cool, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I mean, I I don't think I knew the whole
complete process, especially emotionally. They take you somewhere, they put
you up, so naturally you're feeling good. But now you're
behind his closed door and you don't know, and it
kind of like you're saying, they put you through this
trauma almost if man, and you're doing this for however
many years, you've already been waiting sixteen And I'd never
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heard anybody say I've been waiting sixteen years.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
This was amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Most people don't wait for sixteen years and feel amazing
about the end result. Maybe who you share with us
is that just you as a person, or they just man,
you're just happy to be here. You understood that you
played in Green Bay and that after all this time,
I actually have the opportunity.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
To do it.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Well a few things. Lee Ramo from the Green Bay Packers,
he was an immediate guy, came by my locker one day.
He say, man, you made a decade and I ain't
know what that meant. And he put his little readers down.
He looked over his glasses. You may be in a
hall of fame one day. I don't know when. So
I never thought a lot about it. And the more
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and more, you know, I retired. My mom two thousand
and nine. She was like, we should prepare for your speech.
I said, speech for what She said, you may make
the Hall of Fame. You got to be prepared. I said, Mom,
that's too narcissist to to do that. She said, first
of all, I don't know what that means. The second
of all, come, my mom was a comedian. She said,
just be prepared. And then it just seemed like to
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me that everything started to change when you're a finalist
because now you know it may happen, you really don't
know win. And then I was thinking, Okay, when it happens,
you know, try not to change. So I put it
like this guy, and I'll be very honest with you,
just the best way I could put it, because I
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want people to feel what it means to this kind
of knocked. It's almost as if, because I told my
wife this that you're a young lady. You've been dating
this young man for fifteen years, sixteen years, and every
day you think he's going to propose to me, but
he never does. Matter of fact, you go to five
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or six weddings and see your girlfriends up there getting married,
and you're sitting in the audience and it looks like
you're happening for it, but really you're saying, I hope
she tripped. I hope her hair piece fall off. I
hope something bad happened. But you said, oh, she's so beautiful.
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You take people to weddings to get that. Every year
you get there and it don't happen. But the one
time you give up on him, I'm done. We got
three kids, sixteen years and I'm done. You're never gonna
ask he get all the family together and you come
through and Charles Woodson is knocking at the door. That's
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what it feels like, something that you know was gonna happen.
You think it should happen. But am I entitled to it?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
But I've been here for so long. I've done all
these great things. I've gone to bar mitzvazz, I've gone
to like step shows, everything was it. I've been there
for him. He won't give me the ring. Then he
finally does. It's amazing. It's amazing feeling when you get
something that you personally think you deserve. But that don't mean.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
That's a great I like how you I like how
you put that representation.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I do and talking about rings here peanut, don't get jealous.
You want to sit here, we go with this boat.
Could you talk and.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Share with me? Play in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I didn't even forget that. Yeah, back and then they're
like that.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Was I mean the super Bowl after, the party after
is probably amazing. Oh my god, So share with me,
like what it's like to bring a championship back to
the great fans in Green Bay and how special it is.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, you're one of their guys. You're in the
Ring of one Hunter and all those other things.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Well, he's in the Ring of Honor, but also is
it the Ring of excellence?
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Semantics.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Really he's also a part of that one as well.
It says excellence though not I like this.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
I like this.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Don't disrespect it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Like this, you can't disrespect it. You're correct, both of
y'all correct.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Okay, thank you, y'all correct. So for me, it was
different because I was the only one there from nineteen
ninety when we were four and twelve, but it wasn't
my fault, though they need to get better players. The
next year were six and ten. It was terrible and great.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
We're gonna use that in Chicago that one year we
were nine.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Nothing to do a great year. But it was getting
dark at four o'clock to be realistic, So.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I've been there. It gets dark at four.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
God and my best friend Emms Smith Deon said they're
winning Super Bowls and I'm like, man, this single never happened.
But then we got Brett Faire, we got Reggie White,
and then I remember we beat Carolina nineteen ninety five
ninety six, and I saw a sign and they said
thirty years of misery has ended with going to the
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Super Bowl. I said, what, I didn't realize that the
fan base just waited thirty years from the next Super Bowl.
So that was very impactful. We go to New Orleans
and Super Dome is huge and it's amazing, and I
saw Luther Vandrosky and he was there. I said, lu,
(29:30):
I'd have made it God, And then the Blues Brothers
were like the halftime entertainment. Dan aykro the Lucia and
these guys. It was a big deal. And I was like,
this is what I remember being a kid because I'm
a Cowboy fan growing up. I mean I was a
huge Cowboy fan. I used to crawl under the bed
(29:52):
and cry when they lost games.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Like most Cowboy fans do today.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Still yah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
They still do it today.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Tell you, when I saw rocher Stalback, I almost fainted.
I mean, so I'm saying now, I'm here as an
African American from the South, from the projects, crime and
everything to make it to where And I saw the
the Lombardi on the trophy, and I know, Lombardi is
kind of our thing. Vince Lombardi Lombardi Trophy It was
(30:23):
very emotional because I thought about that fan base, some
of dead and some of living for those thirty years,
thought they would never see it happen. So it was amazing.
Now we went the following year, but you can google
the results for that.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
We're gonna take a short break and we'll be back
in a minute.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
So you you talk about, you know, growing up in poverty,
being poor Florida, What was what was that like when
obviously you're a heavily recruited kid coming out of high school.
Oh yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty sure you could have
went to any college.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm jealous. I'm envious.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
I didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I didn't have those skills like you.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
But what was it like when when coach Bolden, uh,
when he offered you that scholarship.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
You're trying to make me cry, No, I do this,
my brother don't.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
What was that? What was that moment like y'all told
him to ask me this, No, sir, no, sir, okay,
professional makes up all of his own questions.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
H If you realized where I was from and what
I had to go through, I was a consensus all
American in high school. As you said, everybody know who
I was. But I got a letter from my teacher
and she said, you can't go to college. I said why,
She said, you didn't pass the essay T tests. I said,
what the hell is the essay T test? Well, you
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got to take that to get into college. I said, well,
she said you didn't pass that either. So my life
was over because the only way I thought to get
out of the project is my mam out of poverty
is to play in the NFL. So my life was over.
But I'm gonna tell you God, it's good because my
algebra teacher, mss Gordon, got a letter handwritten from coach
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Bobby Bowden Rest in peace, and he says, tell mister Buller,
I need to do a home visit. I'm coming to
see him. Now, think about this. I got letters from
every college because I was an All American. Every college
you can come to our school. But when they found
out I was a prop forty eight that I didn't
pass SAT, they all never rolle back. It was nothing.
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I got no letters from Florida State, pressed on, and
then I said to myself, wait a minute, why is
he coming to see me. He had thirty kids he
was recruiting, and I bet you twenty five of them
were all Americans. He could have made a home visit
to any one of those kids, anyone of them. But
he says, I'm coming to the projects to see mister Butler.
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And when he drove up and that maroon Buick, I'll
never forget it was a convoy. Can I remember telling
Brad Scott, the head recruiter, I said, man, where I live,
and you can't just be driving down in there now.
They don't think something up, you know, you can't rolling
there like u FBI. He said, don't even worry about it.
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And they had police down there and everything. They drive
up to our apartment and we have a couch. It
has like a big hole in it, and my sister
got like a two by four to put under the Yeah,
just sit there, and then she was trying to pull
the plastic from the love seeking it's smaller over there,
because she said, if he comes in, you know, it's hot.
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You know, we have nothing for him to drink but water,
but it got stuff on top of the water and
the one glass. Then we let my grandma drink out
of you know, it's clean. Say that for coaching, and
he walks in. He said, miss Butler, I gotta have it.
She got all emotional, and I'm thinking, waited, God, wait
a minute, why you pick me to navigate these rough waters?
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To know that I must go to college. Nobody in
my family has ever been to college. Nobody. I'd be
the first. And every night I was sleeping, I wake
up in a cold sweat, not from the air conditioning,
by the way, but saying I'm not gonna make it
cause I didn't pass the test. But when he told
my mom that changed my life. It made me think
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that this ain't no mistake. That I owe it to
my family, and I owe it to myself and the
people that believe in me. Not to get in no trouble,
not to go break the law, not to be out
smoking and drinking and doing no I used to get
(35:05):
on the trailways in the Greyhound with my student I
d with nine dollars just to go back home. And
I said, I asked him, I said, Coach Bob, why
you pick me? He said, it was something about you
that I didn't get from the other guys. You just
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want a chance. I didn't even want to play. I
didn't have a position. I was a linebacker, you know,
high school, you play everything. It was just athletes. And
so my freshman year I didn't even play. And I
remember they went to play Michigan. They were going to
play Michigan, and the team's buses are leaving to go
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play Michigan. That is a big game. They got one
hundred thousand people stadium. It is huge. They're going to
the airport and I'm waving to the team smiling like
good luck, guys, and the guys on the bus like,
what the hell wrong with this guy? Man, this guy,
you should be upset you're not on the bus. I
got plenty of times. You just go play. I see
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y'all next year. I need to go get my books right.
I got my GP up to a three point ohero.
I focused in on what it was about. So when
you asked that question, it changed everything about me to
say that this ain't no mistake, right, and it was.
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It was my sister. She's still crying because she couldn't
believe it. This coach, you don't understand. Coach Bobby Ball
was an eye country. He had his own show and
it come on right after church, because you know, downside,
we go to church two hun the day's a week Okay,
he missing church and there's a Bobby Ballen show. Now
he's in the project to see my brother, and so
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it was like changing.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
That's so you've had success in well, yeah, you've had
success in high school, success in college, success.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
In the league, super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Now you're a Hall of Famer and you're working on
this documentary just about your life and just kind of
the struggles and the success and everything that you've done
up until this point in your life. Like, what are
you hoping to get out of that?
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I just want a young lady, young man somewhere to say,
you know what, it's bad for me, but it can't
get no worse than mister Bucker and he made it. Yeah,
he ain't no better than me, right it? And you
don't need money. Because we were popping my first new
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shirt I ever had to I pop a tag. I
always wanted to hear that sound you pop a tag,
and it never came until I was twelve years old.
We went to the Salvation Army and they had toys
over here and they had all this stuff and I
told my mom, I don't want no toys. I want
that shirt. It was just a regular white T shirt.
(38:10):
Sort of like what Peanut has on. Just like I said,
I want that shirt. It wasn't even my size, but
in my head I wanted to pop that tag. And
now young lady said, you know what, go get this shirt,
Go get it, popped it, put it on and it
didn't even fit me. My sister had to like tie
it in like a nod and flip it. But to me,
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I say, I want people to say, if you don't
like a restaurant, start your own. If you don't like
the way somebody's doing something, start your own business. My
grandmother gave me the best compliment. She said, you have
a unique ability because God gave everybody a talent, and
your talent is you could ignore negative stuff if it
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ain't true, ignore it because once they know that it
gets her in your skin, you're gonna see it every day.
And that's what made me say, when people see me
and they see this document, I ain't never known this
guy had it this bad? Yeah, and how's he so grounded?
House He's a normal guy, And that's what it's gonna
find out. I want to be a normal person, to
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be a leader, not a follower. But if you're going
to follow, you to write leaders, and to me, it's
my teachers, our grandparents. My mom is my hero, the
people I see every day. It wasn't a guy dunek
to the basketball or playing football. It was my mom
every day to get on three buses, just a carpool
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to bring food home. And then when food didn't come,
you go to the food pantry and you stand in
line and kids are on the bus and cars screaming
and yelling, picking at you because I'm trying to eat.
And my mom said, why that don't bother you? I said,
could all those kids go on my autograph? Because I'm
(40:00):
here to survive, to make it for you, and that's
what they're gonna get out of it.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So when does this come out and how can we
possibly get it?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
It's gonna be by two years because I'm blessed because
it's hard to find your teachers. I'm fifty four years old,
and I found two of my teachers. Ms. Gordon, who's
in my Hall of Fame speech, and mister Gracie, my
ninth grade basketball coach who helped me shoot free throws.
(40:30):
He said, they're gonna file you, so you got to
shoot free throws when everybody was gone, I say, oh,
I'm about to miss the bus. I'll take you. People
don't know coaches do this. So to find the people,
I need to really put it together. And then the
last thing, the apartments or projects where I was born
(40:53):
and grew up, is gone toward now, so it's too
much crime. They got rid of it. So I would
think my if I had blessing, which is God is good,
twenty twenty five, July twenty eighth, will be the premier.
That's my mom birthday July twenty eighth, because it's about her,
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because she's passed on, but she's still orchestrating my life.
And it seemed like one of the best compliments I
got from the filmmaker Patrick Creating. He said, when you
meet Leroy Butler, it's like his mom standing right behind him.
They think about that. Wherever you at, your mom standing out,
you're gonna act a certain way, even if you're shooting dice.
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You had to canseay you know, you're okay, Mom, I
can't do this, can't It don't matter. That was an
ultimate compliment.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
You know, Larroi, it seems like when I hear you talk,
how much other people in your life have influenced you.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yes, and it just you know, because.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
You maybe talk about that and how you've passed that
down to your own children, and like how you're trying
to influence them, not only them, but everybody else in
your life. Talked about teachers, you talked about parent you
talked about coaches, everybody else has really helped influence the
Roy Butler, how are you taking that and moving to
forward in your life?
Speaker 4 (42:11):
That's another great question because I don't think people realize
I got my first book and you have. They had
what you call a book mobile. It's like you're going
to and buy books. I couldn't afford it, so officer
friendly that the resource office.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
At the school his n officer friendly.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
We used to call them brown. Yeah, it was offsprinded,
but then officer brown. So we used to call all
the resource officer officer friendly. And he said, why ain't
you getting any books? I said, I can't afford it
because I wouldn't hand me down. My brother wore this. Uh.
I used to tell them that the kids say, your
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brother wore that two weeks ago. I said, you're wrong.
My brother had it on yesterday and I watched it
out of us thinking and I put it on. I'm
not in school for a fashion show. I'm in school
to learn from this artest people in the world. But
he said, come see me tomorrow. I go by there.
I didn't go on the bus. I just stood outside
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and looked at you get the books. Kids have got books?
Who can afford it? I got buy his control car.
He has seven books for me. Put them in the bag.
He bought me a backpack and he gave it to me.
I said, I can't afford this. He said, I paid
for him. So my mom when she saw that, she said, you,
I know you didn't steal these books. I said, no, ma'am.
(43:30):
Officer Friendly gave it to me Officer Brian. So my
first book that I own that I didn't have to
check out of the library and return it was from
a police officer. And that changed my life. So I
tell my kids. I have six daughters and a son.
My son's my favorite. Don't tell my six daughters. Did
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they know? Trust me? You want to be my favorite?
Work harder my kids. I teach them to be leaders
in the community, and I teach them whoever helps you
just put that message out there. And that's what I'm
a big message board for helping people. And that's what
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I always try to tell my kids, my cousins, my nephews,
my nieces. You didn't do it alone. Your parents deserve this.
Your parents help you and try to get them to
be independent, but really helping people. I don't want to
be the headline. I want to be the story. Some
people see the headline, they keep read on swiping. Why
(44:35):
don't you go back and read, Oh, I got the
facts of what happened. You just see the headline that
just rolls people in.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
So your leadership, I mean, you're you're you're real big
in leadership, and I think that's kind of trans transferred
into your business. And you previously just said, well, if
you don't like it, just make one on your own.
The fact is that that kind of how you came
up with.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Great question, man, y'all good?
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Because leaf spirits, is that how you came up with that?
Speaker 4 (45:07):
You're good, y'all good. I don't have an Emmy for y'all,
but I'm gonna have to write up something we'll take
at I'm telling you, that's exactly what I had in
my head when I got this phone call. Because what
I'm about to tell you, probably gonna shock you, both
you and your audience. But I get a call in
the this right in the pandemic Chad Greenway that played
(45:31):
for Minnesota. People say exactly, and we just got y yeah, yeah,
shout out to Van Nest. We just got him from
Iowa for the UH at the Packers. So I get
a phone call and Chad said, l Roy, what's up? Man?
I said that man was going on? He said, Man,
(45:51):
I got a business opportunity. I get a lot of
those phone calls, but sometimes they don't never go nowhere.
He was like, Man, we want to great dut Is
the company want to start a vodka in Wisconsin. We
want you to be a part of it. I said, well,
now know, Chad, I don't drink. He said what I said,
I don't drink. But every time I drive to the stadium,
(46:15):
I see thousands of people in the parking lot. I'm like,
what the hell are they doing? Won't they just go
home and just come win the games? They tailgate? So
I said, you know what, this is what I'll do
if you can let me name it and be an owner,
not an ambassador. Because shout out to fifty got a
(46:36):
lot of vodka. I don't drink none of it's for y'all.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I didn't even know he didn't drink, right, exactly, it's
not your portfolio.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
He got a big one.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
It's portfolio. He kill it right now, preach.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
So I said, well, you know what, let me so
he's they made a presentation. We're in. I can call
it lap vodka, and which was amazing, and then it
was perfect too, could just rep I mean, everything was
coming on the upswing of getting in the Hall of Fame.
And then I said, and you know this, we also
(47:10):
know for brons and the state of not sausages, bros
cheese skirts. Yes, that's our thing. So I started my
own brock as well. And I because I'm a culinary guy, Uh,
could I do all the cooking in the house seven
days a week. I tell my wife, I'm gonna cook,
(47:30):
I'm gonna clean, I'm gonna play the bills, I'm gonna
do everything. You just keep them damn kids away from me. Okay,
that's your job, except for my son. It's twelve years old.
That's my dog. So the business side of that, you
have to do that because when you're sleeping, you gotta
make money. And that's what my mom told me. She said,
(47:51):
I don't need you don't need to be the richest
guy in the world. You just want to be enough
to where you could pay your bills and have enough
for the phone calls. I know, both of y'all get
can you cash out me two hundred? Can you zell
me zay Ooh? What the hell is that? Can you
vendoo me? These are your kids, your family members, and
they don't expect you to say no, So you gotta
have money for that. And you also have to have
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money for the one thing I'll say about Andrew Brandt
from the Packers, me and him had a conversation. This
is my last big deal, I said, Andrew, I want
to be rich when I'm old, not when i'm young.
He said, huh. I said, think about it. You get
your Social Security in your sixty five or whatever, and
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you can live out your great days when you're young
throwing money up, got bent Lee's and all that, and
then when you're in your fifties and sixty you broke.
I don't want that. I want to have a seven
point fifty to eight hundred credit score. I want to
have money in the bank when I start to hit
sixty years old, so that's why I do business opportunities
(48:57):
like that. So when I hit that ade man, we
try to get a little roy on the podcast. Man,
this man golfing and Bermuda. Ain't that a triangle? No,
he's golfing there by himself with these rich folks. He
got a yacht. No that. I mean, that's what I
want when I'm older. And I tell young men that
now you want to be rich when you hit sixty.
(49:19):
You can get your pension if you want to, you
can get all that, but save that money. Save it.
I mean, if you want to really floss on them,
go to Claire's and get you some fake jury. They're
not gonna know.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Do they expect?
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yeah them real Domino, they ain't. But you save your
money when you're older, not when you're younger.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
All right, yea, So we're gonna we're gonna pivot. We're
gonna hit hit you with some quick hitters, real quick.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
I think I know the answer to this.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
I better take a drink on them.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, because you answer to this.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I think I know what it is. But what do
you think your greatest sports accomplishment.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Is Oh, my greatest sportsccomplishment.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Watch him say, like high school basketball.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
I should say that throwman. Now I say that I.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Was great pe when I need dollars, I was All
Conference at basketball.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Okay, Now I'm one of the greatest shooters of all time. Me,
Regie Miller, Michael rid Steph Curry were all in the
same thing. But I put that to the side. Now,
Michael Ridd, I got Michael Red the Bucks. Yeah, it's
had to get people name they can google. But I
think the greatest accomplishment that I wake up as I'm
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in all the state of Florida picked thirty three players
for one hundred years and I was on that team.
Oh wow, that blew my mind. That's big. That blew
my mind, especially the.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
State of Florida.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
They got some some balls.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
To this day, I still don't even believe it. So
that that that's probably my biggest accomplishment. I would say,
if I could pick one play, if.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
You don't mind, go Pleat the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Playing the Super Bowl, I go over to the coach.
I said, hey, I ain't blitched yet and we're in
the third quarter. Was happ't it? I mean, what my
family sitting up there too. He said, what are you
talking about? I said, man. He said, okay, if they
get split backs with Dave Maggott away from Reggie, you
can go. I said, you sure, yes, but you know
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you got to tell your safety, which was Eugene Robinson.
I said, Eugene, if they give me a split bag
or the back offset to my side, I'm gone. I'm
gonna translate that means I'm blitzing.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
Appreciate lady us don't know that.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
I'm gone, because both of y'all know. When I say
I'm gone, ain't no coming back. I don't care if
he's motion, I'm gone. And I got the formation, so
I gino. He'said, okay, Rod, he just got a little
deeper because I got covered. Swim from a cover four
til I'm gone, So weak side it's a hole there, yeah,
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and shout out that Drew Blad So that's my guy.
I'm sorry, Drew, but going there and Maggot comes and
he didn't cut me. I say, it's gonna cut me.
Didn't cut me, so I went through him. I had
the leverage, and I saw Blodsoul's name, and this would
be allegedly a horse callar now, but don't go look
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at it, not.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Inside the pocket.
Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yeah, there you go, Thank you Roman, smart guy got
you grab him. I sacked him and I did some
weird dance. Forget about that part. When I got to
the bench, one of the interns came to me and say,
you know what, eighty million people probably saw that place,
and that's the one I wake up, and I say,
cause I got a picture of it on my wall,
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and every me and my son eating breakfast, it's like
rapped behind we kind of look at it. What you
can do when you study and when you you know,
how did that that formation even run a slant? I'm
gone ready for the moment. He's to do it all
the time. And you know how you when you squat
and there it is only saftists can know that what
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it was that play, that that was the preparation.
Speaker 1 (53:14):
My question is your top five defensive players all time?
Speaker 4 (53:19):
Top five defensive players. Yes, it's some bias now, Reggie
White love that. Reggie White to me changed the game
because I never knew they can slide the line to
a guy. I thought they just max protect, but they
would slide the line to Reggie Lawrence Taylor to me,
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is a difference maker because he told you what he
was going to do and he would do it.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
And do you have an example where you heard him
say something and he went out.
Speaker 4 (53:51):
There and did it. Oh, whenever Lawrence Taylor. See to
Lawrence Taylor playing Dallas Philly in his division, that's when
I used to watch. I gotta see this playing Washington,
I mean, and then they used to have them micd
up back in the day. Yeah, and I forgot who
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he's sacked. He said, son, this is gonna happen all day.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
That was against the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
I remember that player on the NFL films he sacked
and was like, I looked at him.
Speaker 4 (54:23):
Like, son, Yeah, I actually wanted two dollars from a
golf bet. But that's my guy. He's fine. Reggae, White
fifty six and Deon Sanders to me is he taught
me about branding long before branding was a thing. When
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he was at Florida State. He has to say, I'm
the best corner, and I think I was like a
sophomore agin. If they kicked the ball to me, it's
a touchdown. I mean. So he was just transcending. I
don't think ever see another Dion Sanders Deion sand argue
that could be the best player of all time. So
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those three and then this next guy. I get emotional
saying them because he can be arguably the best. Ronnie Lot,
there's not another safety to me that made a difference
to run a Lot and to boot. He's a nice guy,
but he played so mean. He used to run through people. Yes,
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he never dropped the pick. I said, let me see
your fingers. He said, wow, he said let me see
because one of them I heard he cut his finger
off and I'm like, let me see, come on, and
he so he was. That guy was amazing man. Ronnie
Lot and this other guy the reason why I think
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he should be. He's in my top five. I mean,
you're gonna forget a lot of people. But Darryl Green
is so fast because people his size ain't supposed to
do that.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Great point.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
I tell people all the time it ain't about size
and height, weight, it's if you can play. And twenty
eight to me was amazing. So Dahn, that's my five.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
I like it too.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Hey man, that's an amazing answer, dope answer.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
I love it. You.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Thank you for coming on the show. We appreciate a pleasure.
This is a pleasure. You blessed us. Truly, you have
not disappointed. You brought us it first of all, and
we just all got it.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Let's got to keep it one hundred.
Speaker 1 (56:39):
This is the first time twenty one Savage has been
referenced on this podcast. We also had a drake drop
and I've never heard anybody compliment Michael Jordan's baldhead like you.
Speaker 4 (56:50):
Have, so hey man, but Gold James is the greatest
of all time. That's right.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
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