February 20, 2020 • 40 mins
Dave Dameshek is joined in Studio 66 by Handsome Hank for a brand new podcast! The guys kibitz about Joe Burrow suggesting he may not want to be a Bengal (3:45), hot takes surrounding the Steelers and Ben Roethlisberger (9:43), Drew Brees returning to the Saints for the 2020 season (18:42), Burrow vs Tua (23:46), Le'Veon Bell being a trade candidate for the Jets (30:16) and is Phil Rivers to the Colts a good fit (35:00)?
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to wet the whistle so that he has to come
back in high and Hello and welcome to the Dave
Damnascheck Football Program. I hope all's well wherever you are.
I wonder if you're a football face down in Nola
or a Saints fan otherwise, how excited you are about
the return of number nine for another season? Based on
what we saw this year, even returning from injury, the
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nice wind streak by Teddy B. Would you rather have
Teddy B as your starting quarterback? At this point? Drew Brees,
no doubt a Hall of Fame um career, but is
he definitely the guy you want to under center? Here
to talk about that and many other things in the
world of pro football and of course the game of life.
Our main man all the way from London, England. He
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serves as our resident Miami Dolphins fan. Here it's handsome, Hank.
We don't have two because you know why handsome because
Eddie Spaghetti, just before we started said we don't have
a lot of time to kibbits today because the trend
zone trend zone. What is that l trend zone? The
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trend zone is Um Spanish language Mexico focused show. I've
met those fellows. Wonderful people really like com Um and
they're entertaining and engaging offense around one guy Fish. The
one guy rode with the with the bus of Pittsburgh
Steelers fans from I forget what part they like, from Monterey.
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From Monterey, they drove on a bus all the way
up to Hinz Field to watch the Steelers play a game.
Why why why am I not on that bus? You
can go, We'll put you, but make it okay for
me to go. Think bearhead that move? Do you speak Spanish?
If you if you do your what's the listening the tape?
Could yeah, when you listen to the Cassine. I did
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three years of Spanish I bet you concert. I bet
you are super focused during that time as well. Seriously, though,
if you if you learn Spanish between now and next season,
I'll make sure you're on that bus. You'll compreendo a
spaniel makeusta. Um. All right, let's talk about football here,
shall we. How are you handsome? I'm very good. Thanks.
How's your off season treating you? It's pretty good. There's
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no off season. It's the um and I mean, for me,
this is the I've never been more excited about football
than I am right now as a Miami Dolphins. That's
fun because the Dolphins have literally hundreds of millions of
dollars suspending free agency, literally fourteen picks in the draft.
They're literally brand new quarterback. It's it's like it's like
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all the nights before Christmas all they're almost literally going
to have a new roster. Right, That's what I'm talking
is not a small amount. They will probably have. I
not no dive. It says it on the door. They'll
probably have eight new starters by the time we get
around to Mayo June. Um. Interesting, and amidst all this,
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there is the news that Joe Burrow making noise any
spaghetti explain to me what exactly is the story with
Joe Burrow. This isn't people are are trying to get
a bonfire going by throwing some gasoline at a little match. Well,
that's not that. Joe Burrow isn't threatening to say I'm
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not going to go to since he's not, he's not
outwardly saying that. He made a comment to the time
of this recording, he said that he has leverage and
basically went on to say that the Bengals have their
own process and he has his own process, and he's
there's a lot of stuff leading up to the draft
because you have to go to combine and individual workouts
and protect this and that and the other um and
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that tied along with the fact that Carson Palmer's brother,
Jordan Palmer's his quarterbacks coach. There's rumblings that he's in
Carson's in his year saying like, you may not want
to go to that organization. You should try to force
your fortunate way out of going to Cincinnati. What what
a what an embarrassment that would be for the Bengals.
But I always kind of if it's a super tough
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call to make, and I feel like this one kind
is I would almost rather be the more passive side
of it, which is the Dolphins side, which is, well,
if you all right, if you want to take Burrow,
we'll take two. Uh. I think that that's how it's tracked.
As long as they can actually do that. I mean,
there's still the chance that another they charges, or or
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you know, one of those other teams that needs a
quarte about the Jags might say, hey, we're gonna jump
up ahead of you. Lions might trade, maybe Eddie's Giants
might trade there. You know, there are there are plenty
of teams who can pull those picks out of the Dolphins,
even by making it look like they might take a
right and right. The Lions have no reason not to
fall back a little bit because they can. They could
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still get the player they want at three at five,
because you know, the Dolphins gonna take a quarterback, so
that means that there's definitely one of the two guys
that they would have been targeting at three is going
to be available two picks later. So all the all
the Lions already have to do is either make guys
at a quarterback themselves or make it sound like another
team has made eyes at that quarterback. I'm trying to
figure that out. So let's so, if we know that
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d C is going to take Chase Young, we assume
that that's the case. The Lions would take Chase Young
if the if they didn't write if it may trade
Darius A, which means they would take jeff Kuda, who's
by far the best defensive that you could argue, are
we better than Jace Young? But but then they can
still get Jeffy Couda probably at five, a first round
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quarterback two years in a row. So Giants wanted Simmons
a linebacker exactly. So all they have to do is
just make it sound like someone. Hey, by the way,
some people called us about that to a guy you like,
here's a couple of picks. Let's go, well, I know
it doesn't make any sense that Matt Stafford might that's
not happen. We agreed that I refuse to accept it
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with the amount of money that they have to do it. Um.
By the way, we're talking a little bit here, I
guess touching on some NFC North stuff that reminds me
go back and listen to our earlier podcast from this week.
We had the great Kyle long um Man, he's he
is dynamite, just like his brother Chris Lungs. Yeah. Well,
I don't know Howie. I I've not had the occasion,
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but glad and you've seen enough of Howie, right, he
was an arrow, broken arrow. And then you've I don't
know if you've seen any of the fox pregame some
of that. He's in that as well, not as good
as he wasn't broken out. If you had to rank
all three Longs, Chris, Kyle, Howie, are there any other Longs? Uh?
Long not part of the family, Jake, Jake Long not
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part of the family. I know him and Chris long
came out in the same just Chip long to it
was Notre Dames upsive coordinator. A lot of Longs rank
the Lungs when we just quickly well, I remember this,
I'll say this. I when I first met Kyle long
um we went out for sushi in um in the
in the northern suburbs of Chicago, and we were talking
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about exactly that, and I said, did you guys, were
you and Chris aware when you were growing up, because
now it's twenty it's almost twenty years ago, would have
been Yeah, it would have been like February of odd too.
So eighteen years ago, Um Kimmel was rounding out his
time as the box pregame prognosticator guy, and you know,
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in advance of making his picks each week, he would,
you know, he would uh, you know, do a little funny,
smart alacky bits about Bradshar, Jimmy Johnson or sometimes how
he longed and how he didn't like it. Apparently got
very mad. In fact, let it be known to the
Fox execs that if he sees Jimmy Kimmel at the
super Bowl, he's I think he said he's gonna rip
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his head off or something like that, or knock him
out or something like that. And I said, were you
aware of that growing up? And they didn't know about that.
Neither one of them knew about that. Neither of the
boys knew that. But they both have brought up the
fact that they resent Christian Slater because in Broken Arrow
he kicks their dad out of a movement train, and
so that has stuck with them. They both if if
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Christian Slater did that to my dad, I'd be upset too. Uh.
Are you surprised that how his movie career didn't go
beyond that. He's a handsome devil. He's a handsome devil.
He looks the put for an action hero. Um, you
know it was. It was at the time when remember
Brian Buzzworth when he when when football um ended for him.
That was definitely talk of him being a stone cold
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stone called with Lance Hendrickson is a great bad guy.
Who's also Lance Hendrickson's the guy in Aliens who is
the robot guy? Remember him? Not a robot really, he's
like a advance robot, you know. Anyhow, Um, let's talk
about something serious then we can do the news I
have to say. And it's even happened at NFL media.
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Last week started with there's a lot of news and
for some reason, weirdly, it has to do with the
first and second string quarterbacks of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Last
week starts with Chris Canty, who played for the Giants
and for the Romans and the Cowboys. Right, and he
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goes on one of those debate shows on Fox and
says the Steelers execs are secretly hoping Roethlisberger retires so
that they can move on from that bad contract and
has a number of reasons why that's the case. Of course,
that's not true because if he retires, it's million dollars
against the cap period, so there would be no money,
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and they're up against the cap, there would be no money.
They would save. Eight million dollars is what they would
get back if he retired today, let's say Roethlisberger, that
wouldn't be anything close to the amount of money required
to sign a viable starting quarterback. In other words, your
pot committed this side of Josh Rosen, which we did
talk about last week, um as some wild card guy
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who and by the way, I do think he Josh
Rosen potentially makes sense of different ways. But that's the
only name that I can really think of out there
that would that Maybe somebody would be like, yeah, we'll
take him. I think I think someone will get the
chance to do that. What about Mitchell Trabiskie. If you
could get a guy, if you're the Bears, if you
could get Nick Foles or someone like that, would you
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then say, all right, we can throw you Mitchell trebiss
I don't know anyway, The point being, there are no
apparent viable options to replace h a guy. If you
only have let's say ten ashmillion dollars to spend, you know,
as a for the record in case you're not keeping
up with it. I don't like having to know about math.
The reason I decided to kidb it's about sports for
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a living was so that I could avoid math. And
here everything else is deep with math. But you're right,
sports took my sports is the only thing that doesn't
happen a lot of numbers, and I don't care for that.
I feel duped by it. But anyhow, um tennis million
dollars for for comparison sake, Jacoby Brissette last year what
played for fifteen million dollars. So there is not a
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reasonable option out there. And yet Chris Canty is announcing
this is what the Steelers secretly want to have happened.
And Roethlisberger isn't really very good anymore, and we have
no idea what's going on with his elbow. Fine. I
thought that was weird. I tweeted at Chris Canty said,
within you explained to me what's good about that contract?
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I said, well, oh, he played the can't he played
the I played in the league for more than a decade.
Does that imbuse you with deeper knowledge of the salary
caps where that might make sense to say to you,
but that's not This is not one of those times,
right yeah, explaining why Dave you don't understand three technique
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the way I do. Okay, I'm mine. You have that,
you own that, no pushback, fellow Chris Canty. I don't
think that you have any deeper insight into what they
secretly want because of the cap implications and all that
kind of stuff. Nor does it give you a crystal
ball to to know what's going on with the with
Roethlisberger's elbow. So I thought that was that was weird
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and kind of salacious and like, what are you talking
about that? I think it quickly. I mean, you helped
put that fire out, but I think a lot of
people around the Internet decided that this was one that
they would they would extinguish as well. But it's strange, though,
that we have gotten into national inquirer territory where you
just throw stuff out and it's kind of I that's right, handsome,
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that's exactly. I don't want to go too far with it,
but I really do think that maybe that kind of
hot take society has greased the skids for it to
be like that looks like I mean, really the line
between what Sports Center was with Dan Patrick and Keith
Olberman and right and now it's like this hot take thing.
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I don't think the average person looks at that and
sees the distinction there. It's like, well, they're sitting at
a desk and they're saying stuff like that's the news,
isn't it, Like no, that's not the news. They're all
pining versus telling you what happened. I don't think people
make that distinction. Then. Um. Then Thomas Davis on Total
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Access goes on and says, um that Roethlisberger could have
come back, said this is I think on Thursday or
Friday last week. Goes on and says, oh, he Roethlisberger
could have come back, But I think he looked at
the roster and was like, it's not worth it to
come back, Like could have come back? What do you mean?
Could have come back in December kind of thing. No,
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he had major elbow surgery. Couldn't have come back. Well,
we know he likes drama. What what are we talking
and what are we doing? What are we just throwing
out making stuff up from whole cloth and just throwing
it out right, I guess. I mean you know that
the I don't know. I'm not Again, I'm not a doctor,
so I'm not going to pretend that I know more
or less. But I don't think Thomas Davis is a
doctor either. In fact, the only doctor in the NFL
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is Canadian offensive god for the Kansas City Chiefs Lauren
duven A Tardif. But bad week brought up a subject
that allowed Handsome to get that one off. Yeah I did,
thank you, um, but the speak Spanish, that's French. Um.
But but I guess that if you there are there
are quarterbacks who have come back from elbow injuries and
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probably brought them back themselves back sooner than they might
otherwise have come back if they saw that there was
a real shot at making the playoffs, and if they
believe that they could be the difference. My guess is
that a his elbow wasn't healthy enough to do it.
And I don't think Thomas Davis knows any different. But
mine is also a guess be probably the playoffs felt
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at whatever moment it was that he could have made
that decision, felt like they were too far away. And see, yeah,
maybe there is a little bit of a like I
don't really want to get behind that offensive line right now,
or I don't necessarily think I've got the receivers to
to make it like the appealing thing for me anyway,
because ultimately I'm going to have to two weeks or
four weeks from now make a decision on my future,
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and I don't want to do that. Looking at that
my last appearance and thinking, wow, I couldn't we know that.
We know that Roethlisberg hasn't thrown a ball still as
we approached the end of February, so that should should
be the evidence that there's not that he could not
have come back in in November December. And then Myles
Garrett sits down with our pal Mina Times and alleges
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again that that Mason Rudolph. The thing that's set off
Myles Garrett is that he used a racial slur. And
the fact that no, nothing, no Mike's picked it up,
No one in close proximity to Mason Rudolph, Miles Garrett
heard it. The fact that no Brown player Brown's player
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has said since like, oh yeah, Miles garretts, I was nearby,
he he told me um directly after, and the same
guy who went that cuckoo bird in the moment then
went back into the locker room twenty minutes later and
was like in front of the microphone or to to
whomever he spoke, said, it's not good for the league
if I if I let this out, Like on what
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level would it not be good for the league? You know,
like I know it would be it, you know, isn't
great news. But who do you think the league if
you're going to play that level of cynic that We
talk all the time in the twenty one century about
the cynicism that prevails, and it is weird. The the
fan who has to stand for the billionaires? Like, you know, like, no,
the here's the real thing. They would you know, the
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who do you if that's the level you're operating at?
The Like, well, what would the billionaire owners of the
league want? Who do you think they would support? The
superstar of the Cleveland Browns or the backup QB. I mean,
it doesn't make any sense. Um, So I I'm just
fascinated by this, this weird trend of just throwing stuff
out now seeing what sticks? Can I throw something out
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and see what sticks? All right? Go ahead? Okay, so
you talked at the beginning about about Drew Brees and
how you're not interested in this subject there. I'm gonna
bring up back to the Steelers in a second. I
mean the Mason rude. I don't care about the Steelers.
I just think both of these stories are strange. The
Madson Rudolph thing is is weird, and but the whole
thing was weird in the moment, and it feels like
I don't want to demand you know, like this is
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this isn't gonna come out the way it's supposed to put. Like,
we both got kids, and when your kids do something
bad and they cast around for an excuse, it sometimes
takes them for you know, you know, the truth, um,
but sometimes takes them like five or ten minutes to
come up with, oh, I know what happened. And then
then they believed that is actually what happened, and it's like, no,
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that's not that's not what went down. But they'll stick
to their guns on that, even though it took even
though you watched the process of them coming up here's
what I here's what I know. I know you would
not well, you don't know what you would do in
that situation until you're in it. You know what I
wouldn't do is the day after that. I wouldn't issue
an apology that has no that that there are no
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asides about like well Mason also was wrong. You know,
he shouldn't have said that there was none of that.
It was just an apology that that wouldn't happen if
somebody did. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, let me
ask you a question, though you asked the question right
at the top of the show, if you're a fan
of New Orleans, would you feel how would you feel
about Drew Brees coming back based on what we saw
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from him most recently. Right, we're gonna you've got Tom Brady,
who I still think more than fifty that he wind
back up in New England. I now I now have
Swung as the perpetuator of the charges him going to
the chargers, and just now think with Josh McDaniel still there,
what's he gonna I think I think you know what
I think he might do. I think he may heed
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my advice and go on a little tour. I may
think he may get wine, surf and turf. I think
he might say, hey, GM, I love that tie. You're
wearing and the GM will take his shirt off and
give it to him. So I think that that could.
But if he does that, doesn't he then there's some
standard that makes it more difficult for him to return
to the Patriots. It's more costly, alright, Um, And then
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you've got Ben Roethlisberger, right, who, as you say, hasn't
thrown a ball since since last September, and is in
that They're all in the same age bracket, and some
team will wind up with Phil Rivers. Okay, So there
are four guys of those four almost pensioners, which if
you if you had one of them as your quarterback,
who would you feel best about. Well, obviously, if I
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have to say today, I'll take one who I know
is going to be physically fit. I don't know if
rother I would agree. I think Roethlisberger is by just
by the fact that we we don't even know if
he can throw the ball forwards, it's probably not gonna
be there. I think the Colts as bad as Phil
looked last year. Um, and really we're talking about a
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few weeks ago. Actually it feels like forever ago. But
I guess Phil, probably because I don't know the Drew Brees.
Doesn't it feel like the window that the opportunity has
come and gone even though they still have Alvin Kamara
and I they'll have Michael Thomas and the defense is
still good. Doesn't I really do feel like and this
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is oh the absolutely nothing, just the sense that I
get if you are on the team, don't you kind
of don't wouldn't you? If you're Sean Payton or Mickey Loomis,
aren't you like I mean, Drew, Oh you're coming back? Huh,
Well that's great news, man, that's you don't have don't
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do us any favors, man, you don't have to do
it like no, no, I can't walk out like that. No,
I mean you could, you could, Drew. You don't have
to do this like I'm going to do it for us?
Shot No, no, no, I'm good. Would right now if well,
I don't know about Teddy b maybe, but like there
are other quarterbacks who are gonna be if Cam Newton
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became available, and you've you've sat there and watched Cam
Newton do it, and presumably you understand how he would
financial if you made Taysom Hill work in your offense,
you you think you could probably be Cam Newton work
in your offense interest. What's to say that in mid
March early April, the Saints are like, he, Drew, you know,
you said you're coming back. Thanks. I don't know, you know,
I hope you've managed to find somewhere to come back.
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You know, maybe Jacksonville would be nice for you. And
because they could, they could get you know, like they
don't know what would stop you from doing that? Well,
like we say, and spaghetti way in here, you're sitting
there behind the glass. I feel like, um, it's not denigrading. Yeah,
you're people get people get caught up in when like
I'm like, I'd rather have Teddy be than Drew Brees.
You think Teddy Bridgewater is as good as Drew Brees.
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I'm not talking about two thousand and eight Breese. I'm
talking about fourty year old Drew Brees. And I feel
like that we've seen those narratives play out for what
they're worth, which is Wow, Saints, they're starting to get
a defense together there, and they're all they're going to
the NFC Title Game and they're gonna play the Eagles,
and wait, what happened? They the Minneapolis Miracle or whatever
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it was called terribly in creative name for an iconic play.
But anyhow, um oh they're done. Then they come back
and then they're great. Last year, nobody can beat them
New Orleans and they get a bad call against them,
um playing the Rams. I don't know if you heard
about that, but anyway, it stops Drew Brees from getting
to the super Bowl. They come back, they have a
fire under them in nineteen. This is the year. We're
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gonna right that wrong. We're gonna get right. Then they
lose in the wild card round the um to Kirk Cousins.
Now it's like again, we're gonna do this. We're gonna
run it back with the same thing again. I would
be if I were a fan at minimum, I be
thoroughly um uninspired. Right, yeah, but I think I mean,
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I love Saints fans, and I love the Saints as well,
and I love Drew Brees, but I feel like every
one of them is sitting there going like Drew Brees
as a hero. They're not. No one is. No one
in New Orleans is objectively analyzing Drew brees is play
and saying no, I reckon. We could upgrade from that,
But with Andy Dalton. I see, now, this is a
fun idea. This is a fun exercise. Drew Brees for
Cam Newton trade in the division, and I guess I
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don't think it's happening as a trade. I could definitely
you could. You could imagine a world where the Panthers
decide they don't want Cam Newton and the Saints decide
they don't want Drew Brees and they wind up on
each other's team. So I don't think there's like a
human for human trade. Who do you want Handsome? If
the Dolphins have the choice of either or Joe Burrow
the Heisman Trophy champagne or a national champagne or twa
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I mean, I mean so um wedded to the idea
of tour for the last two years that I would
like to still I'd like to be I'd like him
to be a dolphin spaghetti. You watch tons of college
foot who do you like it? I think a lot
of people are prisoner at the moment and forgot completely
about how good Too was and when he first came
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in in the Nation Championship game, won that game, and
how good he was in the SEC for extended period
of time and now but he was last season. I mean, yeah,
he got injured, but last he was fantastic. For the
games that he played last year, he was it was
amazing totally. I mean, and again Joe Burrow did play
the same defenses and l s U besides really one
game where blowing teams out like he did everything he
was supposed to do Burrow, And I can't knock her
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for that, but I wouldn't be shocking the least if
two is the better pro and it's like a Russell
Wilson clone. That's so I I kind of lean towards
to his career, but I don't think Burrows. I mean,
Burrow had made some magnificent place to his the injuries.
He's smaller, he's a lefty, which is I guess strange
and nowadays in the NFL. But I mean, just people
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need to look at the body of work of what
to it? Did? You know? I I'm absolutely shooting my
mouth off with this one as usual, but I should
be able to tap into my mental faculties and and
summon the answer or answers to this question. But has
a guy well camp were there. I just came up
with it before I even posited that posited the question
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to you, guys, has anybody ever had just one good
year and then been drafted in the top five or
ten at quarterback and then got onto an illustrious career
camp gone on to career. I don't mean there's been
plenty of recent Like I mean Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray
was a year before, was probably not seen. It's certainly
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not seen as the overall first pick and probably not
the first round. Is that kind of described think? I
think Baker Mayfield was kind of in that camp as well.
Like there's there's a ton of those guys recently that
this has happened to. Yeah, I suppose you're right, but
I don't know about I don't know historically, like how
many of them with those guys Obviously it's too soon,
but I'm not sure historically how many Aaron Rogers had
just the one good year. So I guess there's there's
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enough evidence. Was a strange one though, because like he lost,
I mean, he couldn't win the job in house State
and it wasn't like Ouse State was pushing out top
level quarterbacks. Who are you know, dominating the league right now,
So it is it is a weird one to think about, Well, Jones,
which league? Well, yeah, yeah, true, yeah, I mean just
a league? Does can I just an NFL R league? Yeah,
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you're in a position to be playing the R league game.
There's a shield rotating on the stream behind you, guess,
so that's what I was referring to. What about if
Cardel joins our league? Do you buy? That's a good question? Actually,
do you have you seen anything? I mean, it's the
same thing as preseason football. It's not a coincidence that
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guys who people like my old man's in town right now,
and the old man always, like you know, by the
end of August, never fails. Like I really like, uh
two's their skipper. I really think, I really think that
this kid like Johnny Holton looks good. I hope the
Steelers better keep him or it's preseason football. It's a
lie to your eyes. They're playing against other guys who
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are trying to get into the league. It's not an
indication of whether or not they're gonna be able to
keep up with the first level of NFL players one
week from today. And yet everybody can't resist. It's why
I don't watch Handsome, because you know, I'm with you.
It's a lie to your eyes when you start watching
that stuff. Same thing. Card L. Jones a lot of
buzz now, cardel All better than half the backups in
(27:36):
the NFL. The kid from Temple better than half the
quarterback backups in the NFL. Do you buy that? Or
are they in the XFL for a reason. There. I
tweeted during the during the preseason during August that if
you love the third and fourth quarter of preseason games,
you're really gonna love the XFL and got um roundly
um told not to do that. Um, but I haven't
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yet managed to watch any XFL this weekend. I was, um.
I took my family skiing, but I don't see. I
just sat in a wooden lodge and drank red wine
and was flicking through the TV channels and I put
the XFL on for about three minutes. I was just like, God,
there's nothing here for me, Like, it doesn't look it's
just it's missing the nutritional value. What a what a sport?
(28:22):
You are though, tecking everybody else for a sporting weekend
so you can just booze the whole time. I love that. Hey,
you know you hear about the Madden curse, and I've
said that, you know, Patrick Mahomes basically ruined that before
and then I talked about the curse of supposed to
which is still a real thing. Just because Patrick Mahomes
was good enough to overcome it doesn't mean it doesn't
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still take down some guys when you're supposed to win. Often,
you don't know. The biggest curse going right now is
at NFL Media here in Culver City, on the wall
outside the studio. If you are on this giant mural
that they put up last year, it included Gronk, who
you know, basically yeah, because you know, took too much
(29:06):
of a beating. Still retires as the greatest tight end
of all time, but you know, probably didn't go out
the way he wanted to. Antonio Brown was out on
that wall. We know how things have gone for him.
I don't know if we do necessarily, we don't know
the end of that story, true, Josh Norman, Well, let
me just say this to you. I mean, if Mike
Tomlin and otherwise didn't make it clear, there's no chance
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he was ever coming back to the Steelers. This thing
that maybe now that he's apologized that would never he
hasn't apologized. Someone wrote that for I know, it's ridiculous. Um,
who else is on that wall out there right now?
M Baker Jamal Jamal Adams? Is that Jamal Adams is
the only guy who so far has avoided it other
than having to be on the I don't think Jamal.
(29:47):
I think they're gonna have to replace Jamal Adams team.
He may still wind up being on the wall, but
they might have to paint a new logo on his helmet.
Oh you think he's gonna move by the time this
I don't know if you think Jamal Adams isn't gonna
be on the jets and tour. I'm not suggesting that
that's definitely happening, But I don't know if you've seen
any of what Adam Gates does. What he's excellent at,
I mean fantastic is running his best players out of town,
(30:09):
and he tried to try to trade Jamal Adams in
in October. I don't know why he wouldn't give it
another going much well, it's a current things enjoyed the
experience much either. They do well. Levyan Bell though now
it's coming out of the building and I don't know
if that's Gaze, or that's Joe Douglas or who exactly
is is issuing this news? But now it's But now
(30:30):
I am have become skeptical of all these things, like
is there any merit to these reports? Are are are
we just throwing nonsense out? But Levan Bell was too
heavy and not as explosive as he was back in
in his days with the Steelers. Which if that, if
that's what I said before this season was the Jets,
(30:50):
this will be the best Levyan Bell that will ever
see again, and I don't think it'll be as good
as it was at his peak. And if I'm right
about that, that is going to be an interesting case
study for like, oh yeah, I'll just sit out a
year and I'll come back nice and fresh, Like no,
you won't. Now Levan Bell is going to be the
opposite of what he intended to be, which is this
(31:10):
guy who's gonna reset the running back market? Now he
is um up there with Todd Gurley. Is the chief
piece of information that says, as much as it sounds crazy,
at most you franchise tag CMC, you do not keep
Christian McCaffrey, no matter how much value you perceive him
to have for another four or five years. The Bell
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will be traded for a fourth thrown draft pick before
before April twenty. Who's gonna want to pay that loot?
Though it's like fourteen million dollars he's owed? Who wants
to pay that for a used up Runner says there's
always somebody the whole though, someone will Yeah, you're probably
right anyway. Uh. Spaghetti floats an interesting question that cursed Wall.
I wish we had all the names. I'm trying to
think of who who else it is? Um? I think
(31:54):
we got him, is there? Uh Watt? Yeah? And J J.
Watt was say Rogers to another and Rogers was on there.
I don't know if he still is well, yeah, because
they kept getting right and and yeah if you have
a season ending injury, which J. J. Watt did last year. Anyway,
Spaghetti asks, with Josh Norman now done with the Skins
(32:16):
and moving on, he's not He's no longer counts as
a superstar in the league. Who do you suggest? Well,
they I think that kind of group by divisions, like
one guy that represents each division. That was yeah, yeah,
then they have all four of the team logos kind
of on the player thing, So I'll take Zeke. I mean,
he's going to be around for a couple more years
(32:37):
in Dallas. Give spaghetti a thrill. He wants to hear
sae Quan or was actually I was actually thinking I
didn't even realize it was by division. I was thinking, like,
why don't we have my homes or you know, Christian
McCaffrey or someone or something like that. Um, if we
have to replace an NFC East cornerback, I don't think
it has to be a coach to do with DeAndre Baker,
then it makes no I think. I mean, I think
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Quan is a very good answer. It could be either
running back. I would take the better running back. Take Um,
what do you make of that? As we and I
like that you're not reacting to that. I have a frown.
But how long is he going to be on the
Cowboys seven? That's a long, a long term situation and
he's going to be there through that. Now that they've
(33:17):
given him that contract, there's no need to to and
that do you It is hard when you hear Tom Brady, Oh,
the Raiders are gonna offer sixty million for two years
to Tom Brady. It I said, I don't know if
I said it out loud, but I definitely said it
to the man in the mirror, like Tom Brady in
Las Vegas. That doesn't sound right? And then I was like, wait,
(33:38):
I'm the guy who always goes on and on about
like let's not confuse NFL quarterbacks with senatorial candidates. These
are their football guys. It's not not like Tom Brady
is Tom Brady is? Uh? Is so? So maybe looking
at it that way, if the football guys Tom Brady,
tom Brady with John Gruden is the is the bigger question?
Does that sound like something? Do you not? Really? I
(33:59):
mean who's in the passes? Well? But also like Tom
Brady gets to be in control and like call the shots,
Like do you really want John Gruden like swearing at
you all day that that doesn't feel like David Brady.
You're like, I don't need that. David Carr is incented.
I mean he'd like to see Derek stick, I think,
because Derek would like to stick with the Raiders. Um.
But at the larger point that David Carr has made
(34:21):
is practically, does Tom Brady at forty three does he
really want to have to do a completely different level
of work. That's why he's going back to that. If
he goes back to the Patriots, he has his whole
TV twelve thing all lined up, it all it's nicely up,
goes up for the O T a s a day
or two during the off season. This way, he's got
to go out there. He's got to keep doing with
(34:42):
his new pass catchers. He's not gonna I as much
as I thought the Chargers made a ton of sense. Now,
I'm like Josh McDaniels is back in New England. It
just doesn't make sense for him to move on from there.
What do you make of Melvin Gordon predicting Phil Rivers
to the Colts? Do you like that? I think the
that'll happen? You like that one? I like that one.
(35:02):
Since we spoke about this last week, I did a
little bit of digging around, and it feels like there's
just too many pieces there that makes sense. Like he's
worked with half that coaching stuff before when they were
in San Diego. Um, So I think that one. I
think if Phil gets to ultimately is going to choose
where he wants to go, um, then it seems like
that would make sense. I don't think it comes down to, like,
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I need to live somewhere convenient to my family because
it sounds like they're going to be based in somewhere
which doesn't have an NFL team very close. If he
doesn't prevent himself, the Raiders is the one that makes
sense for him in the like's not okay. This is
one where I say Phil Rivers is not going to Vegas. Okay,
I get I completely contradict what you just said. I
(35:45):
can't see Phil Rivers living in Vegas, just of all
places for him, that doesn't feel like that. If he
didn't like l A, He's definitely not gonna like Vegas.
A line is really good too, which something he needs.
And he's got weapons there, does he though? That's what
I was. I was why Hilton was not healthy much
the last season. Old t Y drafted Paris Campbell pretty early.
They have that, I mean they have guys there. Yeah,
(36:07):
I had that nice tight end that suddenly stepped up
who made it to the made it to the Pro
Bowl after five guys back. Um, so okay, So there's
that one. Now. Gil Brandt floats the idea that the
Steelers should go after Melvin Gordon. I hate to say it.
But that one also is not going to happen unless
they let Bud du Pre walk because again, they will
(36:29):
not have the money to sign Melvin. Haven't they got
like nothing, They don't have any money. The only way
they would have it is if they don't tag with
Ben retires, they'll be able to get THEE. They would
get eight million dollars for that, And yes they would.
I'm sure draft somebody before that. Um and uh, and
I guess you know what we're up against it Handsome,
(36:50):
We've got to clear out of here first. Well, yeah,
we gotta we gotta leave here. I could go on
and on with you, but I look at the clock
here and figure we better wrap it up. Um. Anything
else there, spaghetti you wish to convey? I think we
hit every topic. You just got anything that to go
back to the first talk about the draft. If you're
the Bengals and you have Joe Mixon a green potentially
(37:11):
coming back healthy, you have a few tight ends, are
all right? Why not just take Chase Young and grab
one of those quarterbacks on the market like Cam Newton
or somebody you have. If you're almost in wind now mode,
I mean Cowle Long, we sawnest that you act. I
don't think they're I don't think they think of themselves
and win. I think Zach Taylor, who is like a
one of the McVeigh lineage of quarterback gurus, wants his
(37:32):
own guy to DEVELOPE. I don't think he wants like
a washed out No. I mean, I agree in theory
it makes sense to get the young guy, the cheaper guy.
But if like Cam Newton's like I would play here,
and then you can also just take Chase Young first overall,
phill Up another you know, whole your team has. It's
I don't know, it's interesting. I guess maybe if it
came down to the fact that he really does not
want to go to IF he IF he if IF
truly he says I have leverage, and he's decided to
(37:54):
use his leverage that way, I would think probably the
first thing they do is say, well, we'll too come here,
because because I think they still need I think the
quarterback is still what they I mean, they probably need
an overhaul, but just a random I mean, because I
don't really love any of these like quarterback fits with
these other teams. It's a it's a weird offseason. I
think it's really everyone wants maybe Cam, but he's not. Again,
he has not been healthy, so it's it's a it's
(38:15):
a weird off season. There's a lot of names, but
no one who. Well, it all comes and then it
comes back where we started Drew Brees. I guess that
the thing that I kind of um that hit me,
uh maybe three weeks or so ago, is if drewper
if Brett Farve doesn't throw the overtime pick or Adrian
Peterson doesn't fumble the ball, I think three times, I
(38:37):
don't remember how many. I think he lost at least
two fumbles in the in the NFC title game that
the Saints one and then went on to beat the
Colts in in Miami. Is that was? It was in
Miami that game. Um, if that doesn't happen and Brett
Farve instead goes, I mean he elevates his stock in
the all time quarterback rankings. But Drew Brees is dan
(38:59):
foul in that case, Like he's never even been to
a Super Bowl? What are we talking? Because he holds
all the records but it doesn't go to a super Bowl. Yeah,
well that's that's an interesting comp to except that he's
not any close to Dan Marino, right right. I don't know.
I got people, I've been getting the I've been getting
the you hate Drew Brees, You've always hated Drew Brees.
(39:19):
I don't hate Drew Brees in the least. I don't know.
I just I think it weird, little aggressive with where
we uh where we collectively? It seems sort of slot
him among the Super Bowl era guys. Do well he
Drew Brees versus Ben Roethlisberger. What are you talking about? Like,
I'm kind of like, yeah, I kind of agree with you, guys,
(39:40):
except not the way you guys think, Not the way
you guys are looking at it. You're shaking your head
at that spaghetti. I don't want to start. I don't
want to everyone. Is that? What is that how you
hear it's spaghetti? Is that how you hear it? A
little bit? Edy? If I you'd suggest wrapping the show up?
The music, play the music, creep, have a great time
(40:02):
in New York. I'm not going on here. Where are
you going? Florida? All right? Stay out there? Well, I
care help him dropt to already while you're done, play
the music there. It is every once again, everybody goes
the Steelers podcast. Everyone's against the giants, including me. I
(40:23):
didn't like Danny Dimes until I met him. Now I
love him. I don't know, I you know what. I've
had it with everybody. I'll talk to you next week maybe.
Until then, it's been a thin slice of haven.
Yet Rudolph up here at the top. Cousins throws passes
caught for the wind, Kyle rude Off and the Vikings
are moving on. David The Dave Damage Chick Football Program
(00:27):
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g DFP. Now here's your host, Dave Damage Ye Kyle
Rudolph the game winner ending Drew Brees is bid to
get to the Super Bowl for the second time in
his Hall of Fame career, proves to be just enough
(00:49):
to wet the whistle so that he has to come
back in high and Hello and welcome to the Dave
Damnascheck Football Program. I hope all's well wherever you are.
I wonder if you're a football face down in Nola
or a Saints fan otherwise, how excited you are about
the return of number nine for another season? Based on
what we saw this year, even returning from injury, the
(01:11):
nice wind streak by Teddy B. Would you rather have
Teddy B as your starting quarterback? At this point? Drew Brees,
no doubt a Hall of Fame um career, but is
he definitely the guy you want to under center? Here
to talk about that and many other things in the
world of pro football and of course the game of life.
Our main man all the way from London, England. He
(01:32):
serves as our resident Miami Dolphins fan. Here it's handsome, Hank.
We don't have two because you know why handsome because
Eddie Spaghetti, just before we started said we don't have
a lot of time to kibbits today because the trend
zone trend zone. What is that l trend zone? The
(01:52):
trend zone is Um Spanish language Mexico focused show. I've
met those fellows. Wonderful people really like com Um and
they're entertaining and engaging offense around one guy Fish. The
one guy rode with the with the bus of Pittsburgh
Steelers fans from I forget what part they like, from Monterey.
(02:14):
From Monterey, they drove on a bus all the way
up to Hinz Field to watch the Steelers play a game.
Why why why am I not on that bus? You
can go, We'll put you, but make it okay for
me to go. Think bearhead that move? Do you speak Spanish?
If you if you do your what's the listening the tape?
Could yeah, when you listen to the Cassine. I did
(02:38):
three years of Spanish I bet you concert. I bet
you are super focused during that time as well. Seriously, though,
if you if you learn Spanish between now and next season,
I'll make sure you're on that bus. You'll compreendo a
spaniel makeusta. Um. All right, let's talk about football here,
shall we. How are you handsome? I'm very good. Thanks.
How's your off season treating you? It's pretty good. There's
(02:58):
no off season. It's the um and I mean, for me,
this is the I've never been more excited about football
than I am right now as a Miami Dolphins. That's
fun because the Dolphins have literally hundreds of millions of
dollars suspending free agency, literally fourteen picks in the draft.
They're literally brand new quarterback. It's it's like it's like
(03:21):
all the nights before Christmas all they're almost literally going
to have a new roster. Right, That's what I'm talking
is not a small amount. They will probably have. I
not no dive. It says it on the door. They'll
probably have eight new starters by the time we get
around to Mayo June. Um. Interesting, and amidst all this,
(03:43):
there is the news that Joe Burrow making noise any
spaghetti explain to me what exactly is the story with
Joe Burrow. This isn't people are are trying to get
a bonfire going by throwing some gasoline at a little match. Well,
that's not that. Joe Burrow isn't threatening to say I'm
(04:04):
not going to go to since he's not, he's not
outwardly saying that. He made a comment to the time
of this recording, he said that he has leverage and
basically went on to say that the Bengals have their
own process and he has his own process, and he's
there's a lot of stuff leading up to the draft
because you have to go to combine and individual workouts
and protect this and that and the other um and
(04:25):
that tied along with the fact that Carson Palmer's brother,
Jordan Palmer's his quarterbacks coach. There's rumblings that he's in
Carson's in his year saying like, you may not want
to go to that organization. You should try to force
your fortunate way out of going to Cincinnati. What what
a what an embarrassment that would be for the Bengals.
But I always kind of if it's a super tough
(04:46):
call to make, and I feel like this one kind
is I would almost rather be the more passive side
of it, which is the Dolphins side, which is, well,
if you all right, if you want to take Burrow,
we'll take two. Uh. I think that that's how it's tracked.
As long as they can actually do that. I mean,
there's still the chance that another they charges, or or
(05:07):
you know, one of those other teams that needs a
quarte about the Jags might say, hey, we're gonna jump
up ahead of you. Lions might trade, maybe Eddie's Giants
might trade there. You know, there are there are plenty
of teams who can pull those picks out of the Dolphins,
even by making it look like they might take a
right and right. The Lions have no reason not to
fall back a little bit because they can. They could
(05:28):
still get the player they want at three at five,
because you know, the Dolphins gonna take a quarterback, so
that means that there's definitely one of the two guys
that they would have been targeting at three is going
to be available two picks later. So all the all
the Lions already have to do is either make guys
at a quarterback themselves or make it sound like another
team has made eyes at that quarterback. I'm trying to
figure that out. So let's so, if we know that
(05:50):
d C is going to take Chase Young, we assume
that that's the case. The Lions would take Chase Young
if the if they didn't write if it may trade
Darius A, which means they would take jeff Kuda, who's
by far the best defensive that you could argue, are
we better than Jace Young? But but then they can
still get Jeffy Couda probably at five, a first round
(06:11):
quarterback two years in a row. So Giants wanted Simmons
a linebacker exactly. So all they have to do is
just make it sound like someone. Hey, by the way,
some people called us about that to a guy you like,
here's a couple of picks. Let's go, well, I know
it doesn't make any sense that Matt Stafford might that's
not happen. We agreed that I refuse to accept it
(06:34):
with the amount of money that they have to do it. Um.
By the way, we're talking a little bit here, I
guess touching on some NFC North stuff that reminds me
go back and listen to our earlier podcast from this week.
We had the great Kyle long um Man, he's he
is dynamite, just like his brother Chris Lungs. Yeah. Well,
I don't know Howie. I I've not had the occasion,
(06:56):
but glad and you've seen enough of Howie, right, he
was an arrow, broken arrow. And then you've I don't
know if you've seen any of the fox pregame some
of that. He's in that as well, not as good
as he wasn't broken out. If you had to rank
all three Longs, Chris, Kyle, Howie, are there any other Longs? Uh?
Long not part of the family, Jake, Jake Long not
(07:19):
part of the family. I know him and Chris long
came out in the same just Chip long to it
was Notre Dames upsive coordinator. A lot of Longs rank
the Lungs when we just quickly well, I remember this,
I'll say this. I when I first met Kyle long
um we went out for sushi in um in the
in the northern suburbs of Chicago, and we were talking
(07:41):
about exactly that, and I said, did you guys, were
you and Chris aware when you were growing up, because
now it's twenty it's almost twenty years ago, would have
been Yeah, it would have been like February of odd too.
So eighteen years ago, Um Kimmel was rounding out his
time as the box pregame prognosticator guy, and you know,
(08:03):
in advance of making his picks each week, he would,
you know, he would uh, you know, do a little funny,
smart alacky bits about Bradshar, Jimmy Johnson or sometimes how
he longed and how he didn't like it. Apparently got
very mad. In fact, let it be known to the
Fox execs that if he sees Jimmy Kimmel at the
super Bowl, he's I think he said he's gonna rip
(08:24):
his head off or something like that, or knock him
out or something like that. And I said, were you
aware of that growing up? And they didn't know about that.
Neither one of them knew about that. Neither of the
boys knew that. But they both have brought up the
fact that they resent Christian Slater because in Broken Arrow
he kicks their dad out of a movement train, and
so that has stuck with them. They both if if
(08:46):
Christian Slater did that to my dad, I'd be upset too. Uh.
Are you surprised that how his movie career didn't go
beyond that. He's a handsome devil. He's a handsome devil.
He looks the put for an action hero. Um, you
know it was. It was at the time when remember
Brian Buzzworth when he when when football um ended for him.
That was definitely talk of him being a stone cold
(09:09):
stone called with Lance Hendrickson is a great bad guy.
Who's also Lance Hendrickson's the guy in Aliens who is
the robot guy? Remember him? Not a robot really, he's
like a advance robot, you know. Anyhow, Um, let's talk
about something serious then we can do the news I
have to say. And it's even happened at NFL media.
(09:32):
Last week started with there's a lot of news and
for some reason, weirdly, it has to do with the
first and second string quarterbacks of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Last
week starts with Chris Canty, who played for the Giants
and for the Romans and the Cowboys. Right, and he
(09:54):
goes on one of those debate shows on Fox and
says the Steelers execs are secretly hoping Roethlisberger retires so
that they can move on from that bad contract and
has a number of reasons why that's the case. Of course,
that's not true because if he retires, it's million dollars
against the cap period, so there would be no money,
(10:16):
and they're up against the cap, there would be no money.
They would save. Eight million dollars is what they would
get back if he retired today, let's say Roethlisberger, that
wouldn't be anything close to the amount of money required
to sign a viable starting quarterback. In other words, your
pot committed this side of Josh Rosen, which we did
talk about last week, um as some wild card guy
(10:36):
who and by the way, I do think he Josh
Rosen potentially makes sense of different ways. But that's the
only name that I can really think of out there
that would that Maybe somebody would be like, yeah, we'll
take him. I think I think someone will get the
chance to do that. What about Mitchell Trabiskie. If you
could get a guy, if you're the Bears, if you
could get Nick Foles or someone like that, would you
(10:57):
then say, all right, we can throw you Mitchell trebiss
I don't know anyway, The point being, there are no
apparent viable options to replace h a guy. If you
only have let's say ten ashmillion dollars to spend, you know,
as a for the record in case you're not keeping
up with it. I don't like having to know about math.
The reason I decided to kidb it's about sports for
(11:20):
a living was so that I could avoid math. And
here everything else is deep with math. But you're right,
sports took my sports is the only thing that doesn't
happen a lot of numbers, and I don't care for that.
I feel duped by it. But anyhow, um tennis million
dollars for for comparison sake, Jacoby Brissette last year what
played for fifteen million dollars. So there is not a
(11:41):
reasonable option out there. And yet Chris Canty is announcing
this is what the Steelers secretly want to have happened.
And Roethlisberger isn't really very good anymore, and we have
no idea what's going on with his elbow. Fine. I
thought that was weird. I tweeted at Chris Canty said,
within you explained to me what's good about that contract?
(12:01):
I said, well, oh, he played the can't he played
the I played in the league for more than a decade.
Does that imbuse you with deeper knowledge of the salary
caps where that might make sense to say to you,
but that's not This is not one of those times,
right yeah, explaining why Dave you don't understand three technique
(12:22):
the way I do. Okay, I'm mine. You have that,
you own that, no pushback, fellow Chris Canty. I don't
think that you have any deeper insight into what they
secretly want because of the cap implications and all that
kind of stuff. Nor does it give you a crystal
ball to to know what's going on with the with
Roethlisberger's elbow. So I thought that was that was weird
(12:43):
and kind of salacious and like, what are you talking
about that? I think it quickly. I mean, you helped
put that fire out, but I think a lot of
people around the Internet decided that this was one that
they would they would extinguish as well. But it's strange, though,
that we have gotten into national inquirer territory where you
just throw stuff out and it's kind of I that's right, handsome,
(13:04):
that's exactly. I don't want to go too far with it,
but I really do think that maybe that kind of
hot take society has greased the skids for it to
be like that looks like I mean, really the line
between what Sports Center was with Dan Patrick and Keith
Olberman and right and now it's like this hot take thing.
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I don't think the average person looks at that and
sees the distinction there. It's like, well, they're sitting at
a desk and they're saying stuff like that's the news,
isn't it, Like no, that's not the news. They're all
pining versus telling you what happened. I don't think people
make that distinction. Then. Um. Then Thomas Davis on Total
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Access goes on and says, um that Roethlisberger could have
come back, said this is I think on Thursday or
Friday last week. Goes on and says, oh, he Roethlisberger
could have come back, But I think he looked at
the roster and was like, it's not worth it to
come back, Like could have come back? What do you mean?
Could have come back in December kind of thing. No,
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he had major elbow surgery. Couldn't have come back. Well,
we know he likes drama. What what are we talking
and what are we doing? What are we just throwing
out making stuff up from whole cloth and just throwing
it out right, I guess. I mean you know that
the I don't know. I'm not Again, I'm not a doctor,
so I'm not going to pretend that I know more
or less. But I don't think Thomas Davis is a
doctor either. In fact, the only doctor in the NFL
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is Canadian offensive god for the Kansas City Chiefs Lauren
duven A Tardif. But bad week brought up a subject
that allowed Handsome to get that one off. Yeah I did,
thank you, um, but the speak Spanish, that's French. Um.
But but I guess that if you there are there
are quarterbacks who have come back from elbow injuries and
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probably brought them back themselves back sooner than they might
otherwise have come back if they saw that there was
a real shot at making the playoffs, and if they
believe that they could be the difference. My guess is
that a his elbow wasn't healthy enough to do it.
And I don't think Thomas Davis knows any different. But
mine is also a guess be probably the playoffs felt
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at whatever moment it was that he could have made
that decision, felt like they were too far away. And see, yeah,
maybe there is a little bit of a like I
don't really want to get behind that offensive line right now,
or I don't necessarily think I've got the receivers to
to make it like the appealing thing for me anyway,
because ultimately I'm going to have to two weeks or
four weeks from now make a decision on my future,
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and I don't want to do that. Looking at that
my last appearance and thinking, wow, I couldn't we know that.
We know that Roethlisberg hasn't thrown a ball still as
we approached the end of February, so that should should
be the evidence that there's not that he could not
have come back in in November December. And then Myles
Garrett sits down with our pal Mina Times and alleges
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again that that Mason Rudolph. The thing that's set off
Myles Garrett is that he used a racial slur. And
the fact that no, nothing, no Mike's picked it up,
No one in close proximity to Mason Rudolph, Miles Garrett
heard it. The fact that no Brown player Brown's player
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has said since like, oh yeah, Miles garretts, I was nearby,
he he told me um directly after, and the same
guy who went that cuckoo bird in the moment then
went back into the locker room twenty minutes later and
was like in front of the microphone or to to
whomever he spoke, said, it's not good for the league
if I if I let this out, Like on what
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level would it not be good for the league? You know,
like I know it would be it, you know, isn't
great news. But who do you think the league if
you're going to play that level of cynic that We
talk all the time in the twenty one century about
the cynicism that prevails, and it is weird. The the
fan who has to stand for the billionaires? Like, you know, like, no,
the here's the real thing. They would you know, the
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who do you if that's the level you're operating at?
The Like, well, what would the billionaire owners of the
league want? Who do you think they would support? The
superstar of the Cleveland Browns or the backup QB. I mean,
it doesn't make any sense. Um, So I I'm just
fascinated by this, this weird trend of just throwing stuff
out now seeing what sticks? Can I throw something out
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and see what sticks? All right? Go ahead? Okay, so
you talked at the beginning about about Drew Brees and
how you're not interested in this subject there. I'm gonna
bring up back to the Steelers in a second. I
mean the Mason rude. I don't care about the Steelers.
I just think both of these stories are strange. The
Madson Rudolph thing is is weird, and but the whole
thing was weird in the moment, and it feels like
I don't want to demand you know, like this is
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this isn't gonna come out the way it's supposed to put. Like,
we both got kids, and when your kids do something
bad and they cast around for an excuse, it sometimes
takes them for you know, you know, the truth, um,
but sometimes takes them like five or ten minutes to
come up with, oh, I know what happened. And then
then they believed that is actually what happened, and it's like, no,
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that's not that's not what went down. But they'll stick
to their guns on that, even though it took even
though you watched the process of them coming up here's
what I here's what I know. I know you would
not well, you don't know what you would do in
that situation until you're in it. You know what I
wouldn't do is the day after that. I wouldn't issue
an apology that has no that that there are no
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asides about like well Mason also was wrong. You know,
he shouldn't have said that there was none of that.
It was just an apology that that wouldn't happen if
somebody did. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, let me
ask you a question, though you asked the question right
at the top of the show, if you're a fan
of New Orleans, would you feel how would you feel
about Drew Brees coming back based on what we saw
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from him most recently. Right, we're gonna you've got Tom Brady,
who I still think more than fifty that he wind
back up in New England. I now I now have
Swung as the perpetuator of the charges him going to
the chargers, and just now think with Josh McDaniel still there,
what's he gonna I think I think you know what
I think he might do. I think he may heed
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my advice and go on a little tour. I may
think he may get wine, surf and turf. I think
he might say, hey, GM, I love that tie. You're
wearing and the GM will take his shirt off and
give it to him. So I think that that could.
But if he does that, doesn't he then there's some
standard that makes it more difficult for him to return
to the Patriots. It's more costly, alright, Um, And then
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you've got Ben Roethlisberger, right, who, as you say, hasn't
thrown a ball since since last September, and is in
that They're all in the same age bracket, and some
team will wind up with Phil Rivers. Okay, So there
are four guys of those four almost pensioners, which if
you if you had one of them as your quarterback,
who would you feel best about. Well, obviously, if I
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have to say today, I'll take one who I know
is going to be physically fit. I don't know if
rother I would agree. I think Roethlisberger is by just
by the fact that we we don't even know if
he can throw the ball forwards, it's probably not gonna
be there. I think the Colts as bad as Phil
looked last year. Um, and really we're talking about a
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few weeks ago. Actually it feels like forever ago. But
I guess Phil, probably because I don't know the Drew Brees.
Doesn't it feel like the window that the opportunity has
come and gone even though they still have Alvin Kamara
and I they'll have Michael Thomas and the defense is
still good. Doesn't I really do feel like and this
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is oh the absolutely nothing, just the sense that I
get if you are on the team, don't you kind
of don't wouldn't you? If you're Sean Payton or Mickey Loomis,
aren't you like I mean, Drew, Oh you're coming back? Huh,
Well that's great news, man, that's you don't have don't
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do us any favors, man, you don't have to do
it like no, no, I can't walk out like that. No,
I mean you could, you could, Drew. You don't have
to do this like I'm going to do it for us?
Shot No, no, no, I'm good. Would right now if well,
I don't know about Teddy b maybe, but like there
are other quarterbacks who are gonna be if Cam Newton
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became available, and you've you've sat there and watched Cam
Newton do it, and presumably you understand how he would
financial if you made Taysom Hill work in your offense,
you you think you could probably be Cam Newton work
in your offense interest. What's to say that in mid
March early April, the Saints are like, he, Drew, you know,
you said you're coming back. Thanks. I don't know, you know,
I hope you've managed to find somewhere to come back.
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You know, maybe Jacksonville would be nice for you. And
because they could, they could get you know, like they
don't know what would stop you from doing that? Well,
like we say, and spaghetti way in here, you're sitting
there behind the glass. I feel like, um, it's not denigrading. Yeah,
you're people get people get caught up in when like
I'm like, I'd rather have Teddy be than Drew Brees.
You think Teddy Bridgewater is as good as Drew Brees.
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I'm not talking about two thousand and eight Breese. I'm
talking about fourty year old Drew Brees. And I feel
like that we've seen those narratives play out for what
they're worth, which is Wow, Saints, they're starting to get
a defense together there, and they're all they're going to
the NFC Title Game and they're gonna play the Eagles,
and wait, what happened? They the Minneapolis Miracle or whatever
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it was called terribly in creative name for an iconic play.
But anyhow, um oh they're done. Then they come back
and then they're great. Last year, nobody can beat them
New Orleans and they get a bad call against them,
um playing the Rams. I don't know if you heard
about that, but anyway, it stops Drew Brees from getting
to the super Bowl. They come back, they have a
fire under them in nineteen. This is the year. We're
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gonna right that wrong. We're gonna get right. Then they
lose in the wild card round the um to Kirk Cousins.
Now it's like again, we're gonna do this. We're gonna
run it back with the same thing again. I would
be if I were a fan at minimum, I be
thoroughly um uninspired. Right, yeah, but I think I mean,
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I love Saints fans, and I love the Saints as well,
and I love Drew Brees, but I feel like every
one of them is sitting there going like Drew Brees
as a hero. They're not. No one is. No one
in New Orleans is objectively analyzing Drew brees is play
and saying no, I reckon. We could upgrade from that,
But with Andy Dalton. I see, now, this is a
fun idea. This is a fun exercise. Drew Brees for
Cam Newton trade in the division, and I guess I
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don't think it's happening as a trade. I could definitely
you could. You could imagine a world where the Panthers
decide they don't want Cam Newton and the Saints decide
they don't want Drew Brees and they wind up on
each other's team. So I don't think there's like a
human for human trade. Who do you want Handsome? If
the Dolphins have the choice of either or Joe Burrow
the Heisman Trophy champagne or a national champagne or twa
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I mean, I mean so um wedded to the idea
of tour for the last two years that I would
like to still I'd like to be I'd like him
to be a dolphin spaghetti. You watch tons of college
foot who do you like it? I think a lot
of people are prisoner at the moment and forgot completely
about how good Too was and when he first came
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in in the Nation Championship game, won that game, and
how good he was in the SEC for extended period
of time and now but he was last season. I mean, yeah,
he got injured, but last he was fantastic. For the
games that he played last year, he was it was
amazing totally. I mean, and again Joe Burrow did play
the same defenses and l s U besides really one
game where blowing teams out like he did everything he
was supposed to do Burrow, And I can't knock her
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for that, but I wouldn't be shocking the least if
two is the better pro and it's like a Russell
Wilson clone. That's so I I kind of lean towards
to his career, but I don't think Burrows. I mean,
Burrow had made some magnificent place to his the injuries.
He's smaller, he's a lefty, which is I guess strange
and nowadays in the NFL. But I mean, just people
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need to look at the body of work of what
to it? Did? You know? I I'm absolutely shooting my
mouth off with this one as usual, but I should
be able to tap into my mental faculties and and
summon the answer or answers to this question. But has
a guy well camp were there. I just came up
with it before I even posited that posited the question
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to you, guys, has anybody ever had just one good
year and then been drafted in the top five or
ten at quarterback and then got onto an illustrious career
camp gone on to career. I don't mean there's been
plenty of recent Like I mean Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray
was a year before, was probably not seen. It's certainly
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not seen as the overall first pick and probably not
the first round. Is that kind of described think? I
think Baker Mayfield was kind of in that camp as well.
Like there's there's a ton of those guys recently that
this has happened to. Yeah, I suppose you're right, but
I don't know about I don't know historically, like how
many of them with those guys Obviously it's too soon,
but I'm not sure historically how many Aaron Rogers had
just the one good year. So I guess there's there's
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enough evidence. Was a strange one though, because like he lost,
I mean, he couldn't win the job in house State
and it wasn't like Ouse State was pushing out top
level quarterbacks. Who are you know, dominating the league right now,
So it is it is a weird one to think about, Well, Jones,
which league? Well, yeah, yeah, true, yeah, I mean just
a league? Does can I just an NFL R league? Yeah,
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you're in a position to be playing the R league game.
There's a shield rotating on the stream behind you, guess,
so that's what I was referring to. What about if
Cardel joins our league? Do you buy? That's a good question? Actually,
do you have you seen anything? I mean, it's the
same thing as preseason football. It's not a coincidence that
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guys who people like my old man's in town right now,
and the old man always, like you know, by the
end of August, never fails. Like I really like, uh
two's their skipper. I really think, I really think that
this kid like Johnny Holton looks good. I hope the
Steelers better keep him or it's preseason football. It's a
lie to your eyes. They're playing against other guys who
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are trying to get into the league. It's not an
indication of whether or not they're gonna be able to
keep up with the first level of NFL players one
week from today. And yet everybody can't resist. It's why
I don't watch Handsome, because you know, I'm with you.
It's a lie to your eyes when you start watching
that stuff. Same thing. Card L. Jones a lot of
buzz now, cardel All better than half the backups in
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the NFL. The kid from Temple better than half the
quarterback backups in the NFL. Do you buy that? Or
are they in the XFL for a reason. There. I
tweeted during the during the preseason during August that if
you love the third and fourth quarter of preseason games,
you're really gonna love the XFL and got um roundly
um told not to do that. Um, but I haven't
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yet managed to watch any XFL this weekend. I was, um.
I took my family skiing, but I don't see. I
just sat in a wooden lodge and drank red wine
and was flicking through the TV channels and I put
the XFL on for about three minutes. I was just like, God,
there's nothing here for me, Like, it doesn't look it's
just it's missing the nutritional value. What a what a sport?
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You are though, tecking everybody else for a sporting weekend
so you can just booze the whole time. I love that. Hey,
you know you hear about the Madden curse, and I've
said that, you know, Patrick Mahomes basically ruined that before
and then I talked about the curse of supposed to
which is still a real thing. Just because Patrick Mahomes
was good enough to overcome it doesn't mean it doesn't
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still take down some guys when you're supposed to win. Often,
you don't know. The biggest curse going right now is
at NFL Media here in Culver City, on the wall
outside the studio. If you are on this giant mural
that they put up last year, it included Gronk, who
you know, basically yeah, because you know, took too much
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of a beating. Still retires as the greatest tight end
of all time, but you know, probably didn't go out
the way he wanted to. Antonio Brown was out on
that wall. We know how things have gone for him.
I don't know if we do necessarily, we don't know
the end of that story, true, Josh Norman, Well, let
me just say this to you. I mean, if Mike
Tomlin and otherwise didn't make it clear, there's no chance
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he was ever coming back to the Steelers. This thing
that maybe now that he's apologized that would never he
hasn't apologized. Someone wrote that for I know, it's ridiculous. Um,
who else is on that wall out there right now?
M Baker Jamal Jamal Adams? Is that Jamal Adams is
the only guy who so far has avoided it other
than having to be on the I don't think Jamal.
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I think they're gonna have to replace Jamal Adams team.
He may still wind up being on the wall, but
they might have to paint a new logo on his helmet.
Oh you think he's gonna move by the time this
I don't know if you think Jamal Adams isn't gonna
be on the jets and tour. I'm not suggesting that
that's definitely happening, But I don't know if you've seen
any of what Adam Gates does. What he's excellent at,
I mean fantastic is running his best players out of town,
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and he tried to try to trade Jamal Adams in
in October. I don't know why he wouldn't give it
another going much well, it's a current things enjoyed the
experience much either. They do well. Levyan Bell though now
it's coming out of the building and I don't know
if that's Gaze, or that's Joe Douglas or who exactly
is is issuing this news? But now it's But now
(30:30):
I am have become skeptical of all these things, like
is there any merit to these reports? Are are are
we just throwing nonsense out? But Levan Bell was too
heavy and not as explosive as he was back in
in his days with the Steelers. Which if that, if
that's what I said before this season was the Jets,
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this will be the best Levyan Bell that will ever
see again, and I don't think it'll be as good
as it was at his peak. And if I'm right
about that, that is going to be an interesting case
study for like, oh yeah, I'll just sit out a
year and I'll come back nice and fresh, Like no,
you won't. Now Levan Bell is going to be the
opposite of what he intended to be, which is this
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guy who's gonna reset the running back market? Now he
is um up there with Todd Gurley. Is the chief
piece of information that says, as much as it sounds crazy,
at most you franchise tag CMC, you do not keep
Christian McCaffrey, no matter how much value you perceive him
to have for another four or five years. The Bell
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will be traded for a fourth thrown draft pick before
before April twenty. Who's gonna want to pay that loot?
Though it's like fourteen million dollars he's owed? Who wants
to pay that for a used up Runner says there's
always somebody the whole though, someone will Yeah, you're probably
right anyway. Uh. Spaghetti floats an interesting question that cursed Wall.
I wish we had all the names. I'm trying to
think of who who else it is? Um? I think
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we got him, is there? Uh Watt? Yeah? And J J.
Watt was say Rogers to another and Rogers was on there.
I don't know if he still is well, yeah, because
they kept getting right and and yeah if you have
a season ending injury, which J. J. Watt did last year. Anyway,
Spaghetti asks, with Josh Norman now done with the Skins
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and moving on, he's not He's no longer counts as
a superstar in the league. Who do you suggest? Well,
they I think that kind of group by divisions, like
one guy that represents each division. That was yeah, yeah,
then they have all four of the team logos kind
of on the player thing, So I'll take Zeke. I mean,
he's going to be around for a couple more years
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in Dallas. Give spaghetti a thrill. He wants to hear
sae Quan or was actually I was actually thinking I
didn't even realize it was by division. I was thinking, like,
why don't we have my homes or you know, Christian
McCaffrey or someone or something like that. Um, if we
have to replace an NFC East cornerback, I don't think
it has to be a coach to do with DeAndre Baker,
then it makes no I think. I mean, I think
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Quan is a very good answer. It could be either
running back. I would take the better running back. Take Um,
what do you make of that? As we and I
like that you're not reacting to that. I have a frown.
But how long is he going to be on the
Cowboys seven? That's a long, a long term situation and
he's going to be there through that. Now that they've
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given him that contract, there's no need to to and
that do you It is hard when you hear Tom Brady, Oh,
the Raiders are gonna offer sixty million for two years
to Tom Brady. It I said, I don't know if
I said it out loud, but I definitely said it
to the man in the mirror, like Tom Brady in
Las Vegas. That doesn't sound right? And then I was like, wait,
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I'm the guy who always goes on and on about
like let's not confuse NFL quarterbacks with senatorial candidates. These
are their football guys. It's not not like Tom Brady
is Tom Brady is? Uh? Is so? So maybe looking
at it that way, if the football guys Tom Brady,
tom Brady with John Gruden is the is the bigger question?
Does that sound like something? Do you not? Really? I
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mean who's in the passes? Well? But also like Tom
Brady gets to be in control and like call the shots,
Like do you really want John Gruden like swearing at
you all day that that doesn't feel like David Brady.
You're like, I don't need that. David Carr is incented.
I mean he'd like to see Derek stick, I think,
because Derek would like to stick with the Raiders. Um.
But at the larger point that David Carr has made
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is practically, does Tom Brady at forty three does he
really want to have to do a completely different level
of work. That's why he's going back to that. If
he goes back to the Patriots, he has his whole
TV twelve thing all lined up, it all it's nicely up,
goes up for the O T a s a day
or two during the off season. This way, he's got
to go out there. He's got to keep doing with
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his new pass catchers. He's not gonna I as much
as I thought the Chargers made a ton of sense. Now,
I'm like Josh McDaniels is back in New England. It
just doesn't make sense for him to move on from there.
What do you make of Melvin Gordon predicting Phil Rivers
to the Colts? Do you like that? I think the
that'll happen? You like that one? I like that one.
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Since we spoke about this last week, I did a
little bit of digging around, and it feels like there's
just too many pieces there that makes sense. Like he's
worked with half that coaching stuff before when they were
in San Diego. Um, So I think that one. I
think if Phil gets to ultimately is going to choose
where he wants to go, um, then it seems like
that would make sense. I don't think it comes down to, like,
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I need to live somewhere convenient to my family because
it sounds like they're going to be based in somewhere
which doesn't have an NFL team very close. If he
doesn't prevent himself, the Raiders is the one that makes
sense for him in the like's not okay. This is
one where I say Phil Rivers is not going to Vegas. Okay,
I get I completely contradict what you just said. I
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can't see Phil Rivers living in Vegas, just of all
places for him, that doesn't feel like that. If he
didn't like l A, He's definitely not gonna like Vegas.
A line is really good too, which something he needs.
And he's got weapons there, does he though? That's what
I was. I was why Hilton was not healthy much
the last season. Old t Y drafted Paris Campbell pretty early.
They have that, I mean they have guys there. Yeah,
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I had that nice tight end that suddenly stepped up
who made it to the made it to the Pro
Bowl after five guys back. Um, so okay, So there's
that one. Now. Gil Brandt floats the idea that the
Steelers should go after Melvin Gordon. I hate to say it.
But that one also is not going to happen unless
they let Bud du Pre walk because again, they will
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not have the money to sign Melvin. Haven't they got
like nothing, They don't have any money. The only way
they would have it is if they don't tag with
Ben retires, they'll be able to get THEE. They would
get eight million dollars for that, And yes they would.
I'm sure draft somebody before that. Um and uh, and
I guess you know what we're up against it Handsome,
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We've got to clear out of here first. Well, yeah,
we gotta we gotta leave here. I could go on
and on with you, but I look at the clock
here and figure we better wrap it up. Um. Anything
else there, spaghetti you wish to convey? I think we
hit every topic. You just got anything that to go
back to the first talk about the draft. If you're
the Bengals and you have Joe Mixon a green potentially
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coming back healthy, you have a few tight ends, are
all right? Why not just take Chase Young and grab
one of those quarterbacks on the market like Cam Newton
or somebody you have. If you're almost in wind now mode,
I mean Cowle Long, we sawnest that you act. I
don't think they're I don't think they think of themselves
and win. I think Zach Taylor, who is like a
one of the McVeigh lineage of quarterback gurus, wants his
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own guy to DEVELOPE. I don't think he wants like
a washed out No. I mean, I agree in theory
it makes sense to get the young guy, the cheaper guy.
But if like Cam Newton's like I would play here,
and then you can also just take Chase Young first overall,
phill Up another you know, whole your team has. It's
I don't know, it's interesting. I guess maybe if it
came down to the fact that he really does not
want to go to IF he IF he if IF
truly he says I have leverage, and he's decided to
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use his leverage that way, I would think probably the
first thing they do is say, well, we'll too come here,
because because I think they still need I think the
quarterback is still what they I mean, they probably need
an overhaul, but just a random I mean, because I
don't really love any of these like quarterback fits with
these other teams. It's a it's a weird offseason. I
think it's really everyone wants maybe Cam, but he's not. Again,
he has not been healthy, so it's it's a it's
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a weird off season. There's a lot of names, but
no one who. Well, it all comes and then it
comes back where we started Drew Brees. I guess that
the thing that I kind of um that hit me,
uh maybe three weeks or so ago, is if drewper
if Brett Farve doesn't throw the overtime pick or Adrian
Peterson doesn't fumble the ball, I think three times, I
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don't remember how many. I think he lost at least
two fumbles in the in the NFC title game that
the Saints one and then went on to beat the
Colts in in Miami. Is that was? It was in
Miami that game. Um, if that doesn't happen and Brett
Farve instead goes, I mean he elevates his stock in
the all time quarterback rankings. But Drew Brees is dan
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foul in that case, Like he's never even been to
a Super Bowl? What are we talking? Because he holds
all the records but it doesn't go to a super Bowl. Yeah,
well that's that's an interesting comp to except that he's
not any close to Dan Marino, right right. I don't know.
I got people, I've been getting the I've been getting
the you hate Drew Brees, You've always hated Drew Brees.
(39:19):
I don't hate Drew Brees in the least. I don't know.
I just I think it weird, little aggressive with where
we uh where we collectively? It seems sort of slot
him among the Super Bowl era guys. Do well he
Drew Brees versus Ben Roethlisberger. What are you talking about? Like,
I'm kind of like, yeah, I kind of agree with you, guys,
(39:40):
except not the way you guys think, Not the way
you guys are looking at it. You're shaking your head
at that spaghetti. I don't want to start. I don't
want to everyone. Is that? What is that how you
hear it's spaghetti? Is that how you hear it? A
little bit? Edy? If I you'd suggest wrapping the show up?
The music, play the music, creep, have a great time
(40:02):
in New York. I'm not going on here. Where are
you going? Florida? All right? Stay out there? Well, I
care help him dropt to already while you're done, play
the music there. It is every once again, everybody goes
the Steelers podcast. Everyone's against the giants, including me. I
(40:23):
didn't like Danny Dimes until I met him. Now I
love him. I don't know, I you know what. I've
had it with everybody. I'll talk to you next week maybe.
Until then, it's been a thin slice of haven.
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