Would Patriots fans root for Tom Brady in a Super Bowl match up & uniform review

Dave Dameshek is joined by Matt "Money" Smith, Handsome Hank and Eddie Spaghetti via video chat for a mid-week DDFP! The group starts off the show talking about the first time they wore apparel from a team they didn't root for and why (3:28), then moved onto grading the new Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Atlanta Falcons uniforms (21:12). Next, they kibitz about the future of Jameis Winston (32:15) and if Patriots fans would root for Tom Brady and the Bucs over their own team in a Super Bowl (42:18)? The guys wrap up the show with a sports 'what if' question surrounding Michael Jordan (57:15).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
The Dave Damnashi Football Program, available on the Appel podcast
and at NFL dot com slash g DF. Now here's
your host. I had a love football faces at your
old pout, Dave, Dave damas check. What's going down? I
hope all as well wherever you are. I report to

(00:25):
you from my from my second son's bedroom right now,
because I am sequestered, like like the rest of like
the rest of America, like the rest of society, is
welcome to the Dave damna Check Football Program, joined as
usual these days by by our iron quartet. Here starting
off with the voice of the Los Angeles Chargers, awaiting

(00:48):
to find out who will be their starting quarterback. I
don't know what else he's doing with himself, really, I
guess that's his his chief focus right now. It's Matt
money Smith. What's the poop fella? Well, I can't help
but think that we're the nineteen seventies Red Sox, right.
It's four guys, four houses, you know. It's just kind
of the way we gotta do this. And I'm gonna
be honest, I kind of like having my distance away

(01:09):
from you guys. It's nice just to see you. It
has been a good opportunity to look into how other
people live. It's like we talked about a couple of
weeks ago. There then also our representative of the Miami
Dolphins all the way from London, England. Here he is. Everybody,
it's handsome Hank. What's happening with you, handsome? Hi Dave.
I'm thank you. Look at you, still still supporting. Yeah,

(01:31):
you know what I got. I found this. Um let
me show you this. I got this in. It's a dolphins.
Was no, it's a it's a hoodie as well, but
it's it's it's authentic catch right. That's not an iron
that looks it's no, no, no, it's yeah, it's definitely
it's a it's it's attached as well. It's a Dolphins. Yeah.

(01:53):
The old the old font, the old script. Oh look
at that. Remember remember remember a few years ago when
the biggest uniform related problem we had was that that
they took the helmet off of the Miami Dolphin. You
know right, well didn't care about safety. Simpler days, Simpler

(02:13):
days we'll have coming up for you. I had their money,
you know, I know we're gonna have actual scheduled uniform talk.
But I would love to know. I mean, you grew
up in Pittsburgh, Dave, Eddie there in New York, Me, Chicago,
Hank of course, the UK, and you have your dedicated
teams in your neighborhood. I mean Chicago Bears, Cubs, Bowls, Blackhawks,

(02:36):
New York obviously and Pittsburgh. What was the first do
you remember the first non local team that you sported
because you just liked the way it looked. Oh, that's
a great question. Let's ponder that. I need a moment
to gather myself, and that also allows me very quickly
to say hello to the fourth member of this of

(02:57):
this podcast. It's Eddie Spaghetti or are is that John
Starks with He's got literally the Knickerbocker's mid nine, these
nick uh Road jersey on and an orange headed band,
the boot looking good, Spaghetti, the hairs growing way too long,
so I have the little ban down on matching the
Stark jersey. I've just been rotating between Young and Starks

(03:20):
this week. When I'm sitting at home. It's my my
work attires, Jim shorts and basketball jerseys. And to answer
and Money's question, it was another basketball jersey was the
Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan's was my first non Knicks I
was growing up AMONGUS basketball fan first I played. I
wasn't Knicks fan, but I mean Jordan's. I think everyone
growing up in like I guess our ninety six seven

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eight ish was you know, the Bulls are the best.
So I gotta I think I had a white and
a red Jordan jersey and that's funny. So you hand
it to me, and it's like a self congratulatory session
because I'm gonna reach up here, no hold on here
to day and say my first ever I loved the

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Pirates flattops and uh, I bought one of those flat
Pirate caps with the stripes on the side because I
love those late seventies Pittsburgh teams and kent to Colby
with all the stars and you just posted a photo
of them on your on your Twitter feed their day.
That is. I think I was probably in like maybe
second grade when I got that, and it was way

(04:24):
too big for me because I got a tiny head.
But I do recall that being like my first non
Chicago based sporting gear. How funny is that? Because I
money And by the way, you know what people don't
know about those flattop, pirates hats, the pillbox hats, or
whatever you want to call They're made famous by pop
star Jill the first basement in the Hall of Famer,

(04:44):
the nineteen seventy nine World Series m v P. You
know it's a weird little footnote about number eight there,
pop star Jill. He was only co m v P
in nineteen seventy nine. Quick bit of trivia? Can anybody
name who he shared that seventy nine n L m
v P with Handsome Hank Eddie Spaghetti? You have zero chance.

(05:05):
You have zero chance of getting it. La on the
red someone on the red Well I would I would
say Joe Morgan. Yeah, it's a great guest. No, he
did wear a red cap. I will say we're a
red cap. Alright, So Pete Roars Cardinals is correct, Cardinals,
So that would be uh went on to win a
World series but not with the Cardinals. Well wait, he

(05:30):
would have. He would have won a World series. Wait
what do you was he? Who? Gibson played the same
position for? Who am I not thinking of? Uh? Gosh,
I see now I've thinken It's Cardinals World Series and
Hal Morris is in my brain. Made famous by famous.

(05:51):
It was Keith. You just look that up there by
the way. Keith. By the way, um weird name for
a baby of the day. I've just just also not
that savory for a grown up either. When you think
about a Keith Dave is your your weird name for

(06:13):
a baby. It's it's just it's not fair. It's a
different time. You know. Keith. Keith had its moment. You know, Keith.
Keith had its moment in the late sixties, early seventies
there when it was basically like today's. Uh. I don't know, Riley,
you know that's kind of what Keith was, you know
back there in the annels. You know, you and I
probably I think the not Eddie, but I think the
three of us probably know some Keats out there, and

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I would say Eddie probably knows none. Well. Music music
would be rock and roll with the CHAMPI Keith ificantly
if you if you start doing that, um and the
Kinks too, right, Well, you had Ray Davies and you
had Dave Davies. Uh so no Keith with the brothers there.
But I have, by the way, been listening to a

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fair amount of Kinks. I know. Matt money Smith is
a connoisseur of the Kinks, and they're sort of the
forgotten British band with with the Beatles and Rolling Stones
and you I maybe it's a little bit of a
hipster take, but are you partial to the Kinks over
the Beatles for the for the Stones. Ultimately, no, I'm not.
I I have you know, I don't feel the need

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to be super cooltas are great love the Kings. Highly
recommend people investing in the Kinks, but the Beatles are
the freaking Beatles, and the Stones or the Stones Zeppelin,
you know, I mean, I I appreciate all of those
those great luck. Longevity is one of the toughest things,
as as anyone that listens to Pearl Jam can attest.
You hear ten and then you hear the rest of
that crap they put out, and it's like, wow, they
couldn't do it, And like you know, Zeppelin and changing

(07:47):
its sound and progressing and everything else. But it is
a pretty They are pretty far afield. I mean, they've
been making music for thirty years. Not to turn this
into another Pearl Jam conversation, but the tracks that you've posted,
Spagat and other people are putting up there, it's like
this is pearl Jam. I don't know. I don't and
I'm fine with it if it sounds great, I just
don't necessarily love it. Are you hip with this? You

(08:10):
you like this new sound that got going? Oh yeah yeah.
I mean they've been having a new sound. They've been
updating their sound constantly. I mean their their fourth album
was a different sound. That's why people hated No Code
at the time, and that's why I probably that's why
I tuned out around ninety four. But anyhow, Um, the

(08:31):
pillbox hats were worn where they first made the scene
in Major League Baseball, and um, I believe in nineteen
seventy six to honor the nation's bicentennial, and then the
Buckos held onto them, like I think the Rangers wore
them for a little bit longer than some other teams did,
but I'm pretty sure that every team sported them for

(08:54):
at least a game or something like that. Yeah, I
think that's true. I guess somebody can go online and
easily the photos of kent to Cale, the with that
frequent submariner, the tempted prescription glasses. It is just you
want a guy that was a stud in the nine
seventies and you're like, really that guy was a star.
It's like, yeah, check out old tent Tent Tent to

(09:16):
cal We've talked about the difference that if you fell
into a coma at the start of the twenty one
century and you just woke up, Now, what would be
the differences between sports? Um, you know, twenty years later?
And I'll tell you that they had on Major League
on MLB network the other day, like you say money,
they had the Envy nine World Series on. I went

(09:36):
to one of those games and what I remember about
that was Game four UM of That game was the
last one that the Buckos lost, and they won the
last three to claim the series UM from the Oh's.
But we were sitting behind first base line in Three
River Stadium, I'm sorry, behind the home plate, way up
high in old Three River Stadium, very high up, looking

(09:59):
down and pop stars. You'll filed one straight back the ball.
The ball flew up. It was coming down right at
me and if nobody touched it, it it would have hit
me squarely on top of the head. It would have
been a perfect shot my skull. And the old man
went up to get it and some drunk I reached
up over him and wrestled it away from him. It
was the first time I saw my father's more. You know,

(10:23):
we could have had a World Series ball but anyway,
the Bucks lost that star. But the thing that stands
out is, I mean it's striking. Obviously we know this.
We watched the Barry Bonds on others sort of um
artificially inflate themselves. But it's pretty striking when you see.
I mean, they're basically they look like you, Matt money Smith,

(10:43):
which is to say very slight, like just wow, you're
a professional athlete, you don't look like one at or
they look like Eddie Spaghetti, which is to say like
pop star Jill, which is the same Opie the whole
fame plus no sports goggles. I think that Kareem was

(11:05):
the first high profile sports guy than Eric Dickerson started
to wear he is and James Worthy, Worthy, Horace Grant,
uh well, actually, Kurt Rambis remember had the Crowkenees. So
he just went, hey, I'm wearing my freaking prescription glasses,
but I'm gonna put this cool piece of fabric on
the back of him, and we actually have eight in
the middle of him. It was awesome. Greasy. Yeah right,

(11:29):
greasy were basically bifocals out there. Yeah he looks. I
think he's the most ridiculous, but in his defense, that
was the order of the day. Tim Foley at shortstop
for the Pirates, also had ridiculous ones, and he had
a very cheesy mustache to boot. So pedestrian bodies, dad

(11:49):
mustaches and dad bots ruled major League Baseball back and under.
That guy had a hell of a paris over there
in the hot corner. What was your couch, by the way,
or what was yours? I'm sorry, yes, I got off
I got off track there. Um that it was well
in Chicago. So to Chicago Stories for you, first of all,

(12:13):
what we could to round out the shades conversation. On
July four, I was out in the bleachers the right
field side in Wrigley Field and celebrating our nation's birthday.
And and my friends and I we're drinking the old
styles as usual, and otherwise out there in the stands

(12:35):
having a having a gay time. And yeah, there you
are the old style on Matt money Smith. It's all
coming together today, said Manipity abounds in a low grade way,
but still it's there. Um And uh so, out in
left field. Out in the right field that day was
Colorado Rockies, Um outfielder Dante Boschette, And we had for

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some reason, we had with us a giant American flag.
Well it's because it was the nation's birthday, after all.
I say, I don't know why we had it, because
I wouldn't necessarily hold us up as the greatest patriots
in American history. But anyhow, um, which isn't to say
that we're traders to the country either. Anyhow, that's that's
neither here nor there. But I remember we sang, we

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sang a series of American songs to Dante bischett including
your a Yankee Doodle, Damny, and we modified the lyrics
and he would turn around and he would and he
would strum his finger like a conductor orchestra as we were.
And then when the pitch, when the game resumed, he
literally would get down into the outfielder's crouch, you know that,

(13:42):
you know you always see with the hands on the
knees and all that. But he put his non gloved
hand behind his back and continued to orchestrate while the
pitches were coming in. And then we threw down onto
the field, some Hey, god day, trade glasses with us,
because he had the croake easting the thing that held
them on, like you know, you know what those look

(14:03):
like the outfielders to make sure that the glasses don't
fall off. We said, hey, let's trade glasses. And so
one of my friends had some cheesy neon green glasses. Um,
you know, I don't know why, because he was drunk
or whatever and thought it was funny to wear them,
and he threw them down onto the field, and in
the game, Dante Baschette picks them up and puts them
on and starts walking around like he's blind or drunk, like,

(14:26):
starts like up walking around, stammering around like half of
Frankenstein out in the outfield, jagging around out there, Like,
hey man, you're getting paid probably like six hundred thousand
dollars for this game, pal, you should really pay attention
a little bit. But it was just magical story forever there.
I mean, that was the home of those little moments

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um the But anyway, what we can maybe get back
to those in a little bit, I do well. I
will say Pittsburgh pirates Andy fans like once, um at
the end of the half inning, um was. The fans
kept saying, as they always do to the visiting throw
the ball into the stands, and he required that everybody
get up and give him a standing ovation, and then

(15:09):
once they did, then he gave them the ball. Charming,
charming stuff for bands like But to answer your question,
finally money it was. In fact, this Pittsburgh guy loved
the Chicago black Hawks sweater, and specifically the red black
Hawks sweater. And I always loved the mass of eighties
goalie Murray Bannerman, a weird name. Yeah, a very weird

(15:31):
name for a I think my microphone pun out this
whole time. But anyway, the the Murray Bannerman had that
weird kabuky mask. Remember that thing. It would have been
haunting to try and score. If you're a sharpshooter coming
down on a breakaway and all of a sudden you
look up at who's trying to stop you, I I

(15:52):
would I would have just the puck would have flown
off my stick and as I as I pee down
my uh my, the skated leg um. The um any
had a red sweater, I should say red sweater, Murray
bands handsome hank, how say you? Um? I had I
loved um. Obviously I didn't. There wasn't a hometown team,

(16:12):
but I was a Dolphins fan. But I love the
Detroit Lions get up. So I I m at one
stage bought some some lines gear T shirts. I don't
think it went as far as a jersey, but I
liked I like the Lions generally. And then obviously cricket
is my second love. And as you know, everyone was white,
so you could very easily switch teams and allegiances. You
would be wearing exactly the same outfit regardless of of

(16:35):
of who you were supporting. Now, help me with this, Hank,
as I shared, I think about a month ago, or
maybe it's a little bit longer that I've been watching
the Test. Yeah, and they're talking about, you know, you
wear your your green baggy hat or whatever it is
that's their symbol. But they said, you know how important
that is? So what are they doing when they're not
playing for the national team? Is there a an international

(16:56):
professional league? Is there a professional league specifically? Like, how
does professional cricket work? Well? Cricket because if you're in
the national team, it's played year round because it's summer
somewhere that cricket is being played, so you play, you
play for a local club team a little bit, but
more and more now because because it is year round, Um,

(17:18):
you will you know, if you're if during the winter
in the northern Hemisphere, you would go and play, you
would tour the Southern Hemisphere and play international cricket. Um.
They're typically at this start or end of the cricket
see your local cricket season, the local players might wind
up playing, you know, two or three games for the
teams they originally kind of came through. So then what
did you wear? Like what you what were you wearing?

(17:40):
You would wear white still, but you would wear your
club you know, then your club would have it's a
different cap, but that I mean no one, no fan
would wear that. That's just the players themselves that would
wear it. And the caps for people that have never
seen them, basically look like the cat that Tai Cob war.

(18:00):
Yeah exactly, Roger and you were like that they're wearing
them out there. Really it looks much more like what
more suitable for a Tour de France guy. I think,
I mean they're the same hats I guess that they
wore a hundred years ago and then to mark you know,
to literally to the extent that when you first play

(18:21):
for your national team, it's called you get your cap
um and so then your your appearances for your national
team accounted by how many caps you have. So you
if you've played a hundred times for Australia, you have
a hundred caps. Only ever, you do only ever wear
the same one, you know, they there's obviously tradition, like

(18:41):
you would wear that a super sweaty, stinky cap that
you you about exactly look at that. How about that
little one fact? It came trying to educate money, that's
what you know? Then this is why I came to America,
was dead on. Like Geric Nalda has a hundred and

(19:02):
fifteen caps for the national team. That is a cricket term.
How about that? Well, I guess you know, everybody's trying
to dig in. Obviously, everybody's showing old games and they're
born and new. But it's hard to kind of suspend um.
You know that, you know the end of the book.
But with cricket, maybe we should all just embrace cricket

(19:24):
and watch those games. We have no information, no idea.
You just watched. Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, it's a
good idea. How did you get on with the rest
of that series? Money? Did you enjoy the story that
was being told? If you do, there's what I like
when I watched when I first started watching that F
one series on Netflix, I then went to watch F
one races um and realized that they're really not very exciting.

(19:48):
Based on where you are slotted is probably where you're
going to finish unless you really screw it up or
And I think it's why a lot of people like
this young racer Max for staffing because he's freaking crazy
and he's like the only the guy that makes a
ton of moves. Basically Lewis Hamilton's wins the bowl and
he wins the F one race is kind of how
that thing goes. So I think for cricket, I'm like, okay,
if I try to apply this to actually watching the

(20:10):
sport and in the Amazon Prime show they're on like
all right, here's day one, and know this guy was
batting for nine hours and uh, here's day four, Like, yeah,
I don't think I'm gonna be watching that. I'm just
gonna take this package program and probably limited to that. Yeah,
maybe you know what we have nothing but time on

(20:31):
our hands, and I hate to be the vapid cynic
who you know, it's like when you walk up to
the craps table and you're like, I it's too much.
I don't understand what's happening here. And but it only
takes like twenty minutes to figure things out. Why don't
you give us like a four hour tutorial on what
on the ins and out the cricket and then we'll
all be better as a as a nation. Going for that,

(20:52):
you know what we'll sell. Go to the bathroom. We'll
start in in five minutes, right, Um, all right, let's
go around the eel here and that will start with you, now,
handsome your thumbnail reaction to first of all, to two
NFC South teams have new uniforms. Let's start with the
more recent unveiling the Atlanta Falcons. Well, first of all,

(21:14):
so that that that unveiling was scheduled for April fourteen,
so a week yesterday, but the uniforms leaked on social media,
so they had to bring forward that that announcement and
it was rushed out today. Um. I look, they unveiled
four uniforms, and I guess they can be kind of

(21:35):
um put together in any in any kind of configuration,
if you see what I mean. Uh, obviously like the
throwback the old black um one. I think that that
that's a classic one, although much better with much better
with the red helmet. Like. Yes, they keep saying that's
a throwback, right, they keep saying that's a throw it's
not a throwback. It's not throwback to something, but it's

(21:58):
not the you didn't throw at the whole way, but
you could have thrown it further back. It's a throw
back to Jerry Granville. It's a throwback to Jerry Glanville
who screwed up a really great uniform because he thought
it would be cool for them to wear black. Well
that too, because he's the one who's associated with it.
I don't understand the fondness for that look. It basically
is the Raiders or the Houston Gamblers. Um, it's the

(22:20):
Oakland Raiders with some red trim mixed in. And I
think people make too much. But it's the best of
a sorry lot, the lot right exactly. Um. I think
that the white ones kind of you know, they could
grow on me when you see them against another team.
I think they you know that's a that could be
a decent look. Um. I don't like the red piping

(22:41):
on the black ones, and I especially don't like the
gradient that we call it like gradient black, but just
we don't need that. There's no requirement that in sports. Um,
it looks like it was designed by someone who who
had run out of ideas. It's reminiscent of arguably the

(23:01):
worst at least in the conversation for the worst basketball
uniform ever, and the the Kembe Mtumbo Air Atlanta Hawks,
or they went from red to navy with that hawk
in the middle and it's elongated wings. They really are
arguably that they are in that conversation as worst basketball
uniform ever. But it's the exact same color combo. And

(23:21):
I'm I'm very curious as to why they thought it
was wise to bring that when they saw what a
colossal failure it was for their basketball team right there
in the same time, right And I don't think we've
had had an idea of what they're going to be
wearing when they've just sort of unveiled all of this.
But I don't get a sense of like, what's number one,
what's number two? This one when we're going to use

(23:42):
only on like every Thursday night football game every other
year or something. That will be fine. Then we can
forget about it then, but they need to make some
good decisions on that front. It's also it feels to
me a little bit like just because you can do
something doesn't mean you have to do it and uh
and that, like, yeah, the great one, that red one,
and you know the weird stripe that extends the Broncos

(24:05):
are the ones responsible for bringing this into our lives.
Is the stripe that extends up past the pants and
onto the jersey from them, then don't like it? It's yeah,
it's that was a bad invention. But things like that
gradient one. It's it's kind of like you mentioned led
Zeppelin money John Bottom one of the all time great drummers.

(24:27):
But I also don't need the self indulgent drum solo
for for ten minutes. You know. It's like I agree, hey,
uniform designer, I know that you like, it's so boring
to just make a red jersey with the two stripes
around the uh, around the arms. I want to do something. Yeah, listen,
this ain't for you, friend. This is for people to

(24:47):
walk around town to to look at. We have to
look at this for three and a half hours every Sunday,
and this is what you've done to our eyeballs. No,
thank you. You know they're really bad. And then again,
the thing also that that vexes me with these things
is because most NFL teams have a better option in
the closet, why couldn't they just play off of I

(25:08):
know my hands have you say that that's a throwback
the all black, but it's it's uninspired at best. No, no, no, Look,
they did wear I think for a couple of games,
maybe two three years ago, they wore that uniform, that
black jersey, but they wore with the red helmet and
it looks fantastic. The red helmet just set the whole
thing off. I completely agree with you, like the black

(25:29):
all the way through. I'm just saying it's the best
of a bad bunch, but actually put the red helmet out.
I don't dislike it. I'm just saying that with a
red helmet on, i'd be the red helmet was classic. Yeah, No,
I think you hit it. It's it's when you look
at the four of them together, it's the only one
that you would say, Okay, that can work the rest

(25:50):
of them. It's like nothings. You know, I get it,
you want to be cool, but the font of the
font is terrible. The number font especially is really bad.
And and you can see that when it is juxtaposed
against the classic numeral. Fund You want to do a
t L instead of Atlanta, that's fine, you know whatever,
I get it, But you don't need to do a
t You don't have to do either. We all know.

(26:12):
We all know that about in Cleveland, right, what doesn't
what don't? I just want to say, with whether it's
on Twitter or on emails or otherwise, everybody has seen
the jerk out there who plays with the fonts a
little bit too much, you know, like just settled down
just to go with those numbers are like, why, they're

(26:33):
just some nice standard numbers. Why did you have to
do that that weirdo giant block bony looking. I don't
even know what that is. It's it really is. It's
annoying to me. And then you're wildly disappointing. Uh yeah,
I think totally disappointing. But look we're old, right, we
we have I think an appreciation for the cream cycle

(26:55):
that that maybe other kids can't quite understand that. You know,
there was something very cool about orange, you know, specifically
bright orange white and like a mustard yellow. It just
worked and it looked cool out there. Um, but I
can see go ahead, Hank, Well, at the time, did
it really like I think, we you're you're you know,
you claim not to be a hipster money, but you

(27:16):
definitely are. And I feel like that to hipster response.
But if you if I'd asked you the same question
when Benny TESTAVERTI or whatever year that was, ninety days six,
I guess he came out, But would you would you
have said the same thing in rete Certainly it looks fantastic.
I don't think everyone at the time embraced it quite
hotly because that was not that. Yeah, not that. And

(27:39):
perhaps I'm reinventing history. I don't know, but I you know,
back then when it was, when it was the Central
I always liked that. I felt like it was the
most unique division for uniforms. You had green and golden
green Bay, you had purple in Minnesota, you had orange
in Tampa, and you know you had obviously Detroit had

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the had the blue, and then the Bears had the
Navy in the orange. There was something about him. I
was like, it's kind of cool, you know, it's there's
just Florida team with these black Yeah. I just always
assumed it was like, uh, down there in Florida, you
know what, the sun and they got the orange, and
it was there was something about it in that particular
division that they wore those uniforms. I was probably kind
of cool. Probably young Money as well was a bit like,

(28:20):
well we always beat It's cool. That is one of
the great numbers in uh in sports history, is how
many years I don't remember what it is even off
the top of my head, but I mean it wasn't
six years. It was like twenty years at least. I
think that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers didn't win a game

(28:44):
in a temperature lower than forty degrees fair, right, I
mean literally right? Wasn't it twenty years after their inception
before they finally won a road game when it was
cold outside? But you're exactly right, Money, that that's why
I like the Buccaneers, and that's why I like the
Dolphins get ups is because they are the regional right,

(29:04):
the regionally specific the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns have
great uniforms. If you put them on in um, you
know in uh, I don't know, in in Tampa Bay,
they wouldn't look right. But brown and orange yeah russ
spelt perfect, Yeah, well done. Um And And in fact,
that's also why the Seahawks uniforms in any of the

(29:25):
incarnations kind of have worked, because the Navy and green
or the Royal blue and green, they'll seem like, yeah,
that's it seems like Pacific Northwest to me? Or is
it the chicken or the egg? Have I come to
associate those colors with because of what the Seattle It's interesting, right,
because as you say it, I think like they should
be like a forest green and brown, because if you

(29:47):
ever go you see all the evergreens. I mean when
you drive down the freeways in in Washington State or Oregon,
I mean it is just two hundred football evergreens for
as far as the eye can see. Uh. It always like,
for whatever reason, I always ought the Eagles shouldn't and
they are some of the best uniforms in any sport,
but like they should be red, white and blue, right,
I mean, Philadelphia is kind of the birthplace of our nation.

(30:08):
They have every right to claim it is is Massachusetts
does if not more? Um so like I think if
it were the same thing, I guess to some degree
with d C. And I'll but whatever now I'm now
I'm going too far down this radical Well, the bottom
line is, I will say it's easy to express disappointment
about new uniforms always people always, nobody ever likes anything new.

(30:28):
But the all dark gray or whatever you call peuter
those are nice. Those those have a chance, those have
a chance to be pretty good. I I'll need to
see them out on the field, as always before I
can render a final verdict. But the other news from
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is of course, that that their quarterback,
their new QB, is making the rounds. First of all,

(30:51):
Jamis apparently says this morning he's flattered because it took
Tom Brady to go to replace him. Such a strange
opinion to look at it. Yeah, well, how did how
did that hit your ear? They're handsome? Well, just like
I mean, no, by the same token you the Jarrett

(31:11):
Stidham right now is like, hey, well I guess uh,
I guess they couldn't do better than me to replace
Tom Brady. It doesn't that doesn't work. That's not that's
not how the world works. You were bad, your team
didn't want to resign you despite the fact you were
the first overall pick. Don't try to make it into
some kind of well they the only way they could
get better than me is to get the actual good money.

(31:32):
How say you on this. We've we've kind of talked
around this, and you've kind of been leading for the
Chargers at least the uh the bandwagon that James would
make more sense there if you, you know, if you
then bring in a young QB, that that would make
better sense over the next couple of few years than
uh than Cam who's going to have a different uh
hit on the cap and all that kind of stuff. Um,

(31:54):
And it does make some sense. But four years from
now is who is who is perceived who's more esteemed
in pro football? Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston or neither of
the above. They're both his backups for the rest of
their lives. Se Yeah, again, I just have that Dan
bias of watching those guys, you know, and and just

(32:17):
feeling like, I mean, you know, Marcus had what Mario
I call him by their first name. Mariota had what
five or five different offensive coordinators. I think through the
course of his career, Um, he had you know, Jamis.
I think it's he just got a new head coach
that that has a philosophy of risking the football and
pushing it all over the place. And Jamis has always

(32:39):
been a guy that's thought his ability and and arm
talent is able to put a ball and fit it
in anywhere. So I think you're gonna get that kind
of sort of outlier season that we've never seen before. Right,
five thousand yards and thirty touchdowns, but thirty picks. Um.
I think both of them still have a chance, you know,
and I feel confident that Mariota can thrive with with

(33:00):
John bruten Um, with with that offense, you know, with
with that offensive line. Uh. If in fact, let's say
they get Ceedee Lamb or Jerry Judy there in the
first round. They have Darren Waller, they have Tyrolle Williams. Obviously,
what Jake gets it back, there's all of it there
for him. Um. So I won't be surprised at all
if Mariota, much like Tannehill, uh, ends up playing really

(33:22):
well this year, gets a three or four year deal
and the Raiders, you know, end up being a lot
better at that position than they were the three years prior.
As for Winston Um, you know, it just seems like
people I talked to keep bringing up the same thing,
and that's just like, man, it's so hard to get
over those turnovers. You know, it's it's really really hard
to let him go. And I keep saying, well, go

(33:44):
back and watch his junior year in college, and my god,
it was one of the great quarterbacking performances we've ever
seen then, what he was doing and how he was
operating on and he looked like freaking Peyton Manning out there,
just barking audibles the line of scrimmage, running from under
center in a huddle. Um, And it's just hard for
me to get past that. That, like this guy with
all of that talent, and you heard about, you know,

(34:05):
the Wonderlicks score, the scholarship to Stanford, the offer to
Stanford when he was a junior, and just how Bridy
is and how much his teammates love him. That that
guy's not going to make it. That he's twenty six
years old and it's over for him. It's it's really
hard for me to process that. And not think if
he lands in the right spot, he's still going to
be a not a good, but a great quarterback in

(34:26):
the A big thing that is a gaining momentum on
the on the banks of the three rivers. And I
keep cabs on it digitally of course, is uh is
this notion that the Steelers should go get Jamis Winston
to be Roethlisberger's backup. The issue with that, Yeah, that
makes all the sense in the world if you could
add a high I mean, that's a luxury if you said, yeah,

(34:48):
our backup QB is the first overall pick from five
years ago, and he won the Heisman Trophy and National
title and all that stuff and all the all the
stuff that you just mentioned there. The issue is that
makes sense for the team if you can get him
at the right price. But we talked about this before.
I now, I'm pretty convinced now that you're not gonna
see either Jamie's or Cam do anything until things clarify

(35:11):
through the draft. Right Why why would you? Why would you?
I mean, if you're if you're Jamis and let's say
you know, I don't know, the Patriots say hey, we'll
give you eight million a year to you know, well,
a short term, prove it type deal, or you're the
Chargers or the Steelers or whoever it is, Jags come
in compete with minshew until you see what any of

(35:31):
those teams do in the draft, wouldn't scent of would
Cam have to be like whoa, oh, look the Patriots
still don't have a QB. Now I'll target that team,
you know, And now now our agent can start working
the phones for who has a reasonable spot. And if
you're Jamie is going to a place where you know,
going in that the premises is that you're going to

(35:51):
be a backup barring injury, Why would he ever go
to a place like that, Because I think I'm with
you money he has a chance. Marcus Mariotte is is
kind of this weird. I'm gonna it's a funny thing
if he does end up getting the Raiders Um taking
over the Raiders Gig at any point either before the
season or during the season, that it's exactly it's a
mirrors the way he got bumped out in Tennessee. But

(36:12):
Jamie is rightly should hold out for this because we
talked about QB saturation. But I do think that there
are like I say the Chargers. You know, I'm not
convinced the Dolphins perceive themselves to be so close to
being a finished product that they have to get um,
you know, to uh or make a move to try

(36:35):
all this noise about the the Bengals might move on
from two I mean from the Bengals might move on
from Burrow because he hasn't fully abraced the idea of
playing for that team. Um, and they don't want to
get Eli um. But uh. But yeah, the Dolphins I
think would be I think that'd be a great spot
for the door for them. If they don't wind up

(36:57):
with somebody, If they don't get out of those time
is is dead on. Let's just say that that that
the Dolphins do trade up to get Joe Burrow, that
they decide, you know what, we got we got five
firsts in the next two drafts. We're gonna give up
three of them, and we're gonna go get Joe Burrow.
Because the Bengals apparently like you know, and and there's
a reason why these things are out there. If they
like Justin Herbert and the Bank and the Dolphins are

(37:18):
in love with with Joe Burrow, then they jump up
there and the Redskins are like, whoa, that's that's the
price for moving up to get one of these guys.
And then the team jumps the Chargers and gets to uh.
And then maybe the you know, let's say the Bengals
then take you know, Herbert at number number five, and
maybe the Raiders jump in the number four because they're
in love with Jordan's Love, you know, or something like that.

(37:39):
That could all happen, and if it does, then you're
sitting there as like you said, the Chargers, uh, the
Panthers maybe even with Teddy Bridgewater because that you couldn't
look at that contract is a one to two year deal,
and they could be saying, okay, well, so let's say
the Panthers move in front of them. You see what
I'm getting that. Now you're now you're the Chargers and

(38:01):
you're like, okay, maybe it doesn't make sense for us
to have Cam. We don't have to it a cell tickets,
we don't have Jordan's Love and that live arm to
get people excited. We do need Jamis, we do need Cam.
We do need a quarterback with some box office viability. Um.
And I think the same goes with the Patriots. If
they think Jordan loves going to slip to them, uh,
and he doesn't, then yeah, then it makes sense to

(38:23):
give Jamis that try. And I think you'll find a
deflated market where you can just like Teddy Bridgewater had
when he signed that deal with the Saints, and look
at he was able to parlay that in the sixty
million dollars. So I won't be surprised at all if
that's the way at all. But but if it didn't
shake out like that, back to Dave's original point, I
think the Steelers is a great landing spot. And then
while they agree it's a luxury every day that goes

(38:46):
by the money's point, it brings that market down and
makes him more affordable. Yeah, and so I think that Jamis,
you know, if it happened in May one um that
that he's still unemployed and he's weighing up options, the
teams that really need a quarterback found that guy in
the draft, then I don't think there's any better place

(39:06):
for him to go. You know, we've all you should
assume that Ben's got one or maybe two years left
in him, depending on what happens with his his return
from injury. And then then hopefully Jamis, to your point,
Money at the age of eight, does get that opportunity
to prove that he's got what it takes to still
be a premiere quarterback in the NFL. I thought you

(39:28):
were about to crack wise when you said way and
all that kind of stuff. Every day to go another
day for number seven to gain seven more pounds or
so he said. Would be funny if he came out
like the like the late great hefty lefty by the
time we saw him in uh in fall of Yeah,
the thing I don't see. It really would be funny, though,

(39:49):
of a starting quarterback. If he really was like, all right,
you you want to see fat football America. I'm gonna
gain as much weight before the start of the season
as I possibly can't. That would be a great thing.
And then if he comes look how great I am?
I like? It's like that. It's like the Mickey right,
It's like the Mickey Mantle thing. Like people always always
regret what if? What if? What if the Mick would

(40:11):
have treated his body right? Like I, I choose to
look at it the other way. He is a champion
for for those of us who enjoy a drink, who
enjoy uh, living, not just surviving. Look at what Mickey
Mantle did and he went out and lived. He didn't
live this uh, this bizarre restrictive existence. Like Tom Brady,
I Hailey, don't oh boy me, what do you get?

(40:35):
He's not a Steeler. You are fat shaming him to
the mars and you know what you are. Look who's
sequestering up on Mount Pie is Mount Money Smith. Oh
you know, I'm right? You know that. You see those
videos in bed with that giant face, that enformance, you'd
be like, that's your quarterback, that guy guard. You forget.

(40:56):
My favorite athlete of all time is Marie Lemieu, who
famous He had had a two pronged attack um to
get ready for the drop of the puck every year,
he said, and these are quotes from him. One he
stopped eating the fries alongside of his uh, alongside his
burger at lunch one and two he put down the nails.
He stopped smoking six. That was that was ready. That

(41:20):
was that was his preatseason prep. Tom Brady, meantime, Handsome
is is on those Buccaneers and he's brought his his
new way. Very sad, he said, you know, in tears,
saying goodbye to everybody which begs the question. Then you
could have just stayed man. And I have no beef
with Bill Belichick. I had nothing to have, no concern
with him, and nothing but respect. And you know, I

(41:41):
think it's an I think it's a poopy question. Using
a different um synonym for the word uh, the question
to ask um, you know, is it me or Belichick?
It's both. I couldn't do his job and he couldn't
do mine. Yeah, you don't get to control that narrative
after you when you walk away from this team to
to play for another season or three whatever it is.

(42:02):
Tom Brady, um handsome, we've talked about it. Any update now,
the Howard Stern interview has has gone down. Patriots fans
have shed their tears. How say you, Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
New England Patriots, Super Bowl fifty five? Who do you
think that this is? This is a question to be made.

(42:23):
Patriots fans get offended when I asked this. This is
not a decision that you can make intellectually. It's one
that your heart will will decide when that situation. But
look into your crystal ball, who do you think you'd
be rooting for in that situation, Who do you think Patriots?
Is what I got? I would I would be rooting
for the Bucks in that situation. Not well, no, I'm saying,

(42:45):
if you're a Patriots, if you I think that's still
as the Patriots is definitely not That is definitely not
true that a hundred percent of Patriots really are going
Patriots against their own team, just because from yeah, yes, yes,
I promise you. I mean, like I promise you could
put a poll on on Twitter only Patriots fans onto

(43:08):
this question if the Patriots are in the super Bowl
against Tom Brady, who are you supporting? They're gonna say
the Patriots, all of the every single one of them. Listen,
First of all, it's what end? Why would that? Why
would you're going to what's going to define it? First
of all, there are a lot of Patriots fans who,
over the last couple of weeks have already declared to
Tom Brady's a trader. There are people who feel that way.

(43:31):
Then there are other people who will emerge as things
get you know, as Murk if the quarterback thing doesn't clarify,
they get Cam Newton. People get excited to see what
happens there. But if it's Anti Dalton, or it's Jared
Stidham or somebody else like that. It's gonna be very interesting.
Patriots fans are gonna be our here. The point of
reference is this the forty Niners traded away Joe Montana.

(43:56):
There are forty Niners fans of that era who started
to root for Joe Montana because they were so upset
with the forty Niners for giving away their goat in
favor of Steve Young, and they never fully embraced Steve Young.
It'll be that dynamic that that is definitely gonna happen.
The best thing that he did though, was was you
know it enthighly unlikely that you're gonna see a Patriots

(44:18):
Buccaneers Super Bowl. He's removed himself from that. But man,
if he did a Brett Farve type of thing and
stayed in the division or you know, who knows, maybe
by next year he'll be a New York Jet. But
umu as it is, I you guys are you guys
are sleeping on the fact that if you're if you're thirty,
if you're thirty and you spent it's again, it's the
Kobe Bryant thing. You saw the outpouring with Kobe because

(44:41):
guys at a certain age grew up and that was
their idol, that was their legend, that was their hero.
Those hooks sink deep. It's why the Chargers I think
are gonna do whatever they can now to get to
I think they're gonna get to UH because they're desperate
to get to UH so that they can start this
entire new generation built around the young lefty and ten

(45:02):
year old kids will blink and fifteen years later it'll
be they'll be celebrating UM like Patriots fans did with
Tom Brady, our guy to a when that when that
happens at a young age. Look at you with you
were often in London, England. Look at you with your
Miami Dolphins sweatshir to this day, it's not because of
the Dolphins. It's because of a Dan Marina, right. But

(45:26):
the thing that Brady said on the coal on his
interview with Stunning today was that he knew it was
his decision. He knew that that was his last season
in in New England. It doesn't feel like the Montana
situation where the Fortnight has shipped him out because Steve
Young was waiting in the wings. And they were like,
we feel like this is the best option for us.

(45:46):
Brady was more complicit in making that decision than the
Patriots work. And so I don't necessarily think that the
fans are as aggrieved as as the fans twenty odd
years ago would be about the same type of so
I think he's I think he's more or less hinted
at the fact that he knew that Belichick is not nostalgic,

(46:08):
and Brady did not get And Tom Brady, if anybody
in the history of professional sports had the right to say,
I'll determine when I walk away from the Patriots, it's
his call to do it. Um, And I get what
you're saying. I think that there's just I think there's one.
I mean, I just don't like the hypothetical. I think
you're hypothetical is impossible to reconcile, Like, there's no way

(46:33):
that fans of the Patriots are going to have their
team in the Super Bowl and route for them to
lose it is not just doesn't make sense. I don't know.
I mean, talking about the season of the most Lombards
in will will the team will be the team? Yeah?
Well they during the season when they check in on

(46:54):
Buccaneers schools and root on Tom Brady. Probably it's right
to have a team in the NFC that you're like, yeah,
I one of those bucks to do well because the
tough Brady. But if it came to Super Bowl Sunday
in Tampa, by the way, next year, I don't imagine
that Patriots fans are going to be like, Okay, we
rocked up to temper. I guess we've got to show
our respect to Tom. That just doesn't make any sense. Well,
the pushback on that that that I give you again

(47:16):
is then what you're really celebrating is we got good coaching,
and that's unsatisfying that the best coaching, not just good
coaching system like that. What you're rooting is we got
the best system that Bill Belichick in this QB and
still day twenty years was it was on some level

(47:39):
an illusion we thought Tom Brady was the goat. In
fact it really is. Just this will make it very
personal for you. You live hundred miles from Heinz Field. Yeah,
you and your son root for you and your children
root for the Steelers. That's what you do. You root
for the Steelers. You don't root for Big Ben You
don't root for Troy Polam Halloo. You don't root for

(48:01):
James Harrison. You root for the Steelers. You are connected
to that franchise emotionally, and that's why you have passed
it on to your children, who have no connection to
it whatsoever outside of you. That's it. There's no reason
for them to cheer foot just because one guy out
of fifty three every single season, even if he is

(48:21):
the greatest player in the history that franchise, in the
history of the league for that matter, moves thousands of
miles away to play football. They're still Patriots fans. That
is still that connection to that city or maybe to
their sibling or their parents or their grandparents, or their
city or their state for whatever reason. That's the that's

(48:42):
the old Seinfeld bit. I mean, essentially, we're rooting for laundry.
I mean, that's that's really what it is. You have
this emotional connection with a team that's not so much
the player. That's exactly right. And I also think though
in the era of free agency, I think we all
grew up not spaghetti, but the three of us grew
up in we at least can recall before free agency,

(49:05):
um that the age of free agency really took overall
of sport, and those loyalties aren't aren't has died in
the wool of the jerseys that you mentioned people. I mean,
research and so on indicates that younger fans vibe towards
the individual players more than they do the brain brand.

(49:25):
And so I think if you're thirty years old and
you're maybe Smack Dabbin in the middle of the hub
they're up in New England, you might still be like,
Tom Brady is my guy. I'm not rooting against him.
I'm not. Wait, I got Jared, you don't. You don't
know way Tom's my guy. He always, he gave me
so many great men. I just think that that's a
that's a an emotional reaction that I think that's motally plausible.

(49:49):
The people that don't live in New England. I think
that's for the fans that are in l A that
became Patriot fans because of Tom Brady because we didn't
have a team there for twenty five years. Those are
the Those are the Patriot fans you're speaking too. I
think I don't have to England. You don't have to
make that decision very often because it is you can
still be a Patriots fan, and you can be a
Tom Brady fan. And for now that might mean you

(50:10):
support the buccant Is occasionally on a week to week basis,
but also it's only going to be for one or
two years anyway, and then like when Tom Brady leaves,
the bucket is those people who became Patriots fans for
twenty years because they loved watching Tom Brady do what
he did at Foxburg, and when all those rings aren't
going to be like well, because he played those those
you know, twenty eight games in in Tampa. Now I'm

(50:31):
a Buccaneers fan, and that's what I'm about. That's just
not I don't think that's gonna stick now, Yeah, all right,
I don't want to belabor it. I don't think you're
a Bucks fan per se. You're a Tom Brady guy,
is the thing. The TV remains the same, but you
But it's the QB where in the twelve that you
care about. It's not that I would say that, it's
my point to again to not belabor it. I I

(50:53):
would put it this way. I think there are just
as many, if not more, Patriot fans that have shot
Freuda toward Brady and want to see him fail and
want to prove their team right for letting him go
because forty two as there are, Hey, I love Tom,
He's the reason why I'm a Patriots fan. I'm gonna
move with him. Because the thing about Tampa is, you

(51:15):
know it's fleeting. You know, it's like, Okay, well he's
gonna be there for a year, maybe too, Like it's
there's it's hard to invest in that when the timing
is so limited, you know what I mean. I think
you'd really have to be a Tom Brady person. I
agree with that, and then I'll try to My final
point on it is just that correct. If they are

(51:37):
thirteen and three with Andy Dalton, there will be a
sense of indication if Tom Brady is having any sort
of struggles down in Florida while the while the their
local brand continues to thrive, but the the other side
of that will emerge, just as when Steve Young was like, yeah,
he's putting up big numbers and everything, but he ain't
taking care of business. In January, we miss our guy.

(51:58):
If Tom does something, Eschel and Tampa and they are
anything less than a top seeded team, if they're losing
the division to the Bills, there's gonna be there's gonna
be a real sense of what have you done? Belichick,
and things will flip against the Patriots at Belichick specifically,
but the Patriots as an organization anyhow. Um money completely random,

(52:21):
well not too random, because um, I just wanted to
get your thoughts on something here. I think it matters
in sports obviously who you beat and even who you
lose too. And I think that no matter how much
people have tried to diminish the Patriots, um twenty year
run here when they got the Super Bowls. The weird thing,

(52:43):
the weird aspect about the Belichick Brady dynasty is that
they lost Eli Manning twice and Flacco was a bug
a boo for them, and like Nick Foles beat them.
But for the most part you look at like, wow,
that rally against the Falcons and um, you know, going, oh,
go ahead with Peyton and yeah, all of that many

(53:03):
years and so now I'm now trying, I'm struggling to
connect this back to uh basketball and Eddie Spaghetti's jersey there.
But like Larry Holmes is one of the great heavyweights
of all time. His problem was his greatest rival, in
his in his run, his champion was Jerry Coody. Yeah,
and then he fights Muhammad Ali when hey, I'm gonna

(53:25):
I'm gonna hang up and listen, um as jeez, I
gotta go. Okay, well you gotta go, Handsome, you go,
We're wrapping up, thank handsome be well, um, we'll wrap
it up here money real quick. But also I think so,
I think that the Patriots had some legitimate competition, and
they had some obviously iconic victories going into Arrow Ahead

(53:48):
a couple of years ago stands out more recently, I
think also the other goat, if you were to do
you know, everybody's doing their real quick. I'm gonna I'll
touch on that. I to me, the what the Patriots
were able to do for twenty years is arguably the
most remarkable thing in sports. As every other football franchise

(54:08):
where parody reigns supreme and free agency because you better
get your it is the number one and I do
not fault players for this one bit. There is no
loyalty from the individual because your career could be over
in a snap and you have got to go get
the most money you possibly can. And the Patriots, god
no saw a ton of premier players in their primes,

(54:28):
before their primes leave for more money that they weren't
willing to pay, and that they were able to stay
on top. Uh, to me, is arguably the greatest accomplishment
in sports this twenty year run. That include it really is.
It's not to me, it's it's a sub degree. It's
not close. It's crazy what they were able to do.
I completely agree with you, and I think that that
is the I don't want to put it in melodramatic terms,

(54:51):
but that is what I'm getting at the gathering storm
for Patriots fans is how you're going to reconcile, what
the shakeout is, come, let's a whom we have a
full season and everything else. What you're gonna be thinking
on New Year's Day, what you're gonna be thinking on
Super Bowl fifty five, depending on how those two teams break.
Because it really dynasty doesn't exactly apply in in the

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traditional sense. Here, it's two guys, it's Belichick, it's Brady,
and everything else was a moving part around it, along
with Robert Kraft so um. But my point is, as
it ties back, it's fun that you know, over the
last half century, if you were. Everybody's doing their Mount
Rushmore this, or their top three bad or their top
five whatever. And you know, we've talked here about what

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if we started a whole new Hall of Fame, a
whole new hall of all the greatest athletes in American
sports history. The first guy in wouldn't be Tom Brady
because there's enough pushback for um, Joe Montana and Gretzky maybe,
but I think, well, not American's North American sports. But
you know, I'll certainly stand up for sixty six and

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Boston people will push for Bobby or I think the
one guy who clearly would go in is my Chael
Jordan's And as I look at Michael Jordan's um, the
thing that stands out is it's funny that in the
nineties and kind of flips that the eighties Celtics had
a much more rugged path to get to the finals,

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to play the Showtime Lakers, and then as Jordan emerges
and the Lakers play those Bulls in the first Michael
Jordan's title, then the West emerges and it's been that way.
It's been a dominant conference for I mean for a
walk obviously for a long time now, thirty years. The
West is almost always a much better conference than the
East in the NBA um and but when Jordan would

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get to the finals, those finals matchups that he had
six times over were all legit. There was no wow
how that team slipped through, Like the Rockets playing the
Celtics in the eighties. I mean there was like the
wow they beat Wow. That that Lakers team was Vlady
was pretty good by record at least, and it's probably
the worst of the bunch, and that that Chaz Barkley

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Sons team and the Portland team and the twice over
Jazz and so on. Inside anyway, to me, things broke
just right for this by the sports God's four Michael
Jordan that he happened to be retired. I know we've
had this conversation, but just update me very quickly because
I'm gonna do some what if stuff coming up here.

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Do you think that that Houston Rockets team, especially to me,
the team even though it had the worst record regular
season because they swap out Otis for Drexler, I think
that that. I think Drexler, Kenny the Jet Bob dory
a team. I think Mary o Ellie, I think that

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team beats that Bulls team. How say you, Well, I mean,
I'll just put it the guy never lost, you know,
I mean in anything like That's That's the thing to
me is once he started winning, it was just this
indomitable will that that he was able to create and
also create for his teammates. Um And I think obviously

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if he doesn't leave Eve, you assume you know that
that Horace Grant comes back maybe or you know. And
I don't know how the whole Rodman thing shakes out.
It's just computly, I don't think Bob. I don't think
big shot Bob. I mean, I'm sorry, I don't think
who Grant goes back no matter what, because because I
don't know, you know what I mean, Like, if you're
defending your title and you're thinking about becoming the Celtics

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of the sixties, why wouldn't you. It's like, hey, we
have a chance to become the greatest team in the
history of professing money. Yeah, basketball, I think is a
little bit different. And the Bulls were making so much
money then. Um And remember they gave Scottie Pippen a
huge contract at the time, even though it came to
be one of the worst contracts, but they were like, hey,
you want to be the highest paid player on the team. Okay,

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here it is, so they were willing to pay those guys. Um,
that's just why I can't come around to the idea
that oh yeah, the La Jahwan you know Rockets would
have would have beat them well, well know, because Michael
just didn't lose. Like that was. It was the only
team I've ever watched where like, I'm never felt like
they were going to lose. In the playoffs. You would

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watch and things would get weird, and they're playing Indiana
in the conference finals and it's Game seven and they're
bound double digit points, and it's not like, oh boy,
this is the end of it. It's like, no, you know, Mike,
Michael's gonna do something crazy and he's gonna score ten
points in in seventy seconds and they'll win the game.
And that's what happens. And that's to me just what
would have happened in the finals. They would have faced
those teams. They would have been brutal, knockdown, drag out

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wars like the Sun Series, like the Jazz Series. Uh,
and the Bulls would emerge victorious because that's just what
Michael Jordan did UM and there was that, you know,
no matter it was at North Carolina or if it
was it you know with Chicago. That's just kind of
the way, especially once they got rolling, that that it
always played out And and that's what made him you know,

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in that conversation is like you just said, if they
did a Hall of Fame for athletes of everything, like
he very welcome be the number one pick for everybody,
because you just you never had a doubt that he
was going to win the game. And I don't know
if there's ever been enough the player that you felt
like that when the game was on the line. That's well,
it's it's very interesting to me that subject specifically. And

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and uh, I'm with you. I I was in Chicago.
I was up on the North Side pretty much through
the nineties, and so I was I witnessed to um
to to that air of inevitability. You always felt like
they were gonna do. But the thing that would puncture
it is before it really gets crazy, before it really
gets rolling, is Jordan's infant. I mean, the vibe was

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you are gonna be hard pressed to take down the bulls,
but remember they had to then that sixty two wins.
Sons team rolls in and maybe because of intimidation, they
dropped the first two in Phoenix, but then they went
two out of three in Chicago. They go back to
Phoenix and you know, Jordan dumps it into whole. Grant
who makes that kicks out to John Paxson and and

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he hits the three man. I don't I think you
can make a case, and in fact, I'm trying to
make that case that that three ball doesn't drop. I
don't know what happens in Game seven of that, but
but again, he never lost, never lost. You know, think
about the Lakers, right the Lakers win that first game
of their first finals, and everyone's like it, see not

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ready for prime time. They finally got over the Piston saying, granted,
look Worthy got hurt. That was a banged up Laker team.
And if you talk to Worthy, he believes that they
would have won that series had he not gotten banged up. Um.
But to me, it's like, Okay, we lost the first
game and then from there on out it was a
route uh. And I think any time like that, you know,
you think about it. I think it was the second jazz.

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I want to say it was the second Jazz Finals
where they lost Game one at home. Game two was shaky,
I believe, or something like that. There was a it
was a it was a tipping point, and they would
they would remind you, they'll question us. And I do
believe it's one of those teams that the proverbial flip
the switch has been attached to. And I don't know
if I remember ever hearing it as much. I'm sure

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it probably existed before, but it really felt like that
particular sports cliche was applied to that team because they
would always find themselves in a little bit of trouble
and then all of a sudden, you blink your eyes
and they've gone from being down seven to up five,
and it's yeah, that's right. They just they just turned
it on. I it's funny because, like I say, uh,
being there in Chicago and watching all their games regular

(01:02:23):
season and through the playoffs, it what it would be
in the postseason. It did feel like, alright, the scripts
getting a little for bulaic here. All right, we're coming
up on the end of act too. Here, guys like,
oh yeah, oh you're down fourteen. What are we gonna do?
All right, Yeah, let's get to the end where you
where you pull off the right that it really did
have that vibe to it. Anyway, Money is always appreciated

(01:02:46):
taking the time for uce pal you got and uh
a M five seventy or I Heart radio to Money
and Petro's chopping it up for your pleasure here in
these uh in these bearing days, not much to talk about,
but somehow we end up filling an hour at least
every time. UM So thank you, Matt Money Smith, Eddie
Spaghetti awfully quiet today. I was just listening to you guys,

(01:03:08):
you know, do your thing. I was a joining the
conversation from uniform. You were going away in Eddie. I
thought you were going to weigh in on the ninety
four finals with Old with Old Starks, the man whose
jersey you're dining right now, and how ruined your chance
at a in an NBA championship that he just given
the freaking ball to Pat Ewey. I know my two
my two points from this podcast that I would make

(01:03:28):
or well one with the Knicks is the Knicks were
not a good basketball playing team. They were just a
team board or they just they just loved Anthony Mason
and Charles Oakley and ewing and uh like, but they
weren't as skilled as the Rockets or exactly. Uh so, No,
I don't think they it's they probably overshot what their

(01:03:49):
expectations were. And then back to the Brady the Bucks
versus Patriots thing. I mean, I Eli Maddam became a
Jaguar last season to play one underneath Coughlin and they
went to a Super Bowl first two Giants. I'm not
rooting for Eli Manning and the Jaguars and rooting for
the laundry as symbol as that. Well, you saw what,
whether you saw it not, Phil Simson, Jeff Hostetler. That's
why this is unique. This is there. There is the

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period in history for a longstanding profile franchise. The only
success it ever had was with one guy playing quarterback.
That's the difference. People keep rooting up to me like
well what what about Littlemieu, Like, well, that's that's not
a comparable situation. Let mean, you didn't leave, would you?
Would you have? I got I kinda became. I wasn't
rooting against the Penguins. I just became ampathetic. When Lemie

(01:04:34):
retired for a couple of years, I absolutely could see like, yeah,
drills kind of gone without TV in there. I could
I could absolutely see that happening. Um, the other thing
money is too, the the other side of that coin
is and then then we'll wrap it up. I don't
know the thing with the Jordan's legacy and all that,
and uh, the inevitability if that bad file doesn't get

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called against Scottie Pippen on Hubert Davis in Game five
and they go to if the Bulls go in when
they were a good team, if they go it was
arguably that he was one of the if he had
a legitimate shot at the m v P that year,
Pippen was un freaking believable that season, they win that
one and they go to the finals and beat that

(01:05:18):
Rockets team. Then now we're talking about the same sort
of thing, like, so Jordan's great, but is he is?
He definitely the greatest of all time? If they turn
around the year he retires and win the title, yeah,
I think that. Like then my pushback on that would
be that's that's the Jordan effect, right, and the idea
that you make your teammates better that you, that you

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share whatever this is that you have inside of you,
this this air of inevitability and then this indomitable will
that that was put upon, you know, a young guy
from from Central Arkansas when he showed up and and
that past and Tony Kup coach from Croatian hardening him
up to be you know, he was considered a soft
buro and he become this you know ask kicker out

(01:06:01):
on the court as as well. And so I do
think he still would have gotten some credit for that.
I think Phil Jackson now that would have launched him,
I think to a different level. Um if that team
had ended up winning a championship. Yeah, that was an
absolute bs call um on on pit against Sebert Davis Scott.
And I'll never forget where I watched it. This is
a funny. I'll end with this. I was I was

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going to Pepperdine at the time. So I was in
school living in Malibu and one of my roommates I
lived in a house right on pH and my roommate, Dave,
was working at Johnny's Pizza. I am parking cars at
the chart House at night, and I'm looking to scrape
together any money I can, so I would go see
him for for lunch and dinner, and he basically for free,

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you know, he would float me some extra slices and
stuff like that in garlic nuts. So I watched that
game with uh John Cusack at Johnny's Pizza and you
know two Sacks, a Chicago guy, and he was sitting
at the counter with D B. Sweeney uh and and
me and a couple other people watching that game, and
he lost his freaking mind when they called that foule

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it which funny of all, the place is not a bar,
but this tiny little pizza joint in the Strip Mall
on PC is where I saw that thing go down.
Good times. Man, that's a fun so well, not for
a Bulls fan. At the end of that one, thing
worked out pretty well for the Bulls fans overall. Money
as always, like I said, great, thanks to you, fella,
and I see again. I said, I don't know how

(01:07:30):
we're gonna make it twenty minutes, and we did over
an hour. Again, I apologize for that. I appreciate the
time money, Eddy Spaghetti. Great job by you is always handsome, Hank,
and thank you. The listener will talk to you later on.
Until then, stay safe and sound. And it's been a
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