November 10, 2025 • 19 mins
NFL Network Insiders Tom Pelissero, Ian Rapoport, Mike Garafolo, Judy Battista, and Steve Wyche look back at the Week 10 action from around the NFL and discuss the Colts hold on the AFC South, the Patriots distancing themselves in the AFC East, the muddy AFC North picture, Dan Campbell taking over play calling duties for the Lions and remember former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to the Insiders, Tom Pellicero and Ian Rapaport
with you Steve, which will be rejoining us in a
short period of time. We have a ton to get
into from Sunday. We also had some big news today.
Brian Dable out as the Giants head coach, Mike Kafka
in on an interim basis, GM Joe Shane stays on
(00:24):
and we'll lead the search for the next head coach
in New York. We also had a return to the
field and the big one Joe Burrow for the first
time since his turf toe surgery and a little bit
ahead of the projected schedule, back on the practice field
on a limited basis. Today they open up his twenty
one day practice window and we shall see when that
(00:44):
could mean Joe Burrow is back on the field.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We covered a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
If you're listening to this on the podcast, this is
part two, Part one. We dug into all that. Go
over there and check that out, but first just hang
with us right here, because we got a lot to
discuss out of what we saw on the AFC side of.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Things on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It started about bright and early yesterday, Ian with a
Colts team that made a ton of headlines the Sauce
Gardner trade. The game was a little edgy, quite frankly,
the Falcons. It felt like at times they were kind
of finding their stride. But Jonathan Taylor, who I made
the mistake recently of saying, is strengthening his offensive Player
of the Year resume, he continues to build out the
(01:24):
NFL MVP resume right here.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yep, that's offensive because he has a chance at everybody.
He's not going to get it. It doesn't matter. He's not
going to get it. Like it's never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
If he has twenty five touchdowns in two thousand yards
in might I mean Saque didn't win it last year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
That's the best argument.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Not it's not who I mean, what's never going to happen?
What that quarterback Stafford would be the guy? Staff would
be the guy? Or when Joe Burrow comes back runs
the table, I mean, come crazy?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Can he win Comeback Player of the Year within the year?
Is that possible? His third such a ward?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Last time he won Back Player of the Year. I'm
pretty sure he was like, no, I didn't he say
this thing. Let's hope to never do this again. Or
something like that. And yet and here we are, here,
we are anyway, He's not gonna win it. But Jonathan
Taylor is really like he's been so interesting to me
because remember what a battle was for him to get
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his extension, and then he was the first of the
really good running backs to try to start building back
that that market of like really good running back deals,
and it was like, is he worth it?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Is he not?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
At that point he had an ankle injury. He's been
so worth it. He's so good. He's the engine for
that whole team, which has a really good offensive line too.
That was pretty awesome, and that is a good His
play is sort of a good example of like what
a good run game and offensive line can do for
a quarterback and for a team. Yeah, I mean that
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whole win was That whole win was great. Raised some
questions about the Falcons and like how good Michael Pennix
is and whether he's good enough because there was some
you know, simple easy throws that were not made at
important times and I was like, oh boy. And the
other thing was Sauce Gardner dropped in interception that probably
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would have helped give them the lead.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Poetically, that's what should have happened. It didn't, but that's
what should have happened.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And just check with people because I'm not an expert
on cornerback play. They were very impressed for a guy
who was acquired on Tuesday, really flew in, had to
start watching film on a different team, learn the basics
of the system, get on a plane to Germany and
play five days later. That that's tough. He went out
there and played well. Should have had that pick six
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that would have made it feel a little bit different.
But c rearly a good start for Sauce. Now will
get a you know, something resembling at least a normal week. Meanwhile,
I don't know you can make arguments in terms of
like who's the favorite right now in the AFC harder
probably to make that about the Bills after what we
saw yesterday. I feel confident saying this. There's not a
lot of people who are going to say the favorite
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is in the AFC North because the Steelers are on
top of that division.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But played.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean, Mike Tomlins was about as mad at the
podium after that game as you see Mike Tomlin. You know,
he was asked one question about how Aaron played and
he basically said, like, how do he look to you?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Next question?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's not ideal. The Ravens have won three in a row.
It was kind of an ugly game yesterday in Minnesota
for them. You've got the Bengals getting Joe Burrow back,
and you've got, you know, a Browns team that lost
yesterday to the Jets. You saw flashes where you thought, okay,
you can see it with some of those young players
on offense and with Dylan Gabriel, but just hasn't been
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good enough.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The Steelers struggling.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Like that, Ian I would think is you know, I
don't want to call it a wake up call for
that team, but certainly to the extent that anybody might
have thought, well, they're just going to find a way here,
that's the type of performance that can come back to
bite you in the big picture against another team in
the AFC chase, and at this point with the Ravens,
you know, the one team in the NFL that reported
no injuries at all on their report last week, you
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have to start wondering, here are the Steelers once again
fighting just to try to get into the postseason.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
This should be a time when I say, look, out
for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
They've won three in a row, but that that was
like a grimy kind of win, Like it didn't the.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Defense is nine at halftime, they were down I think ten.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Nine at half time it was, and like the defense
definitely has looked better, but the offense kind of has
looked just now. The Vikings defense I love and everybody loves,
so I sort of get why they lull you into
those grimy games. But I think of right, like this
is more about like the Steelers being like are they
good enough again? And you know there's a lot that
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comes with a forty whatever one year old quarterback. There
was a bunch of plays that like he left out
there yesterday too, like Mike Tomlin doesn't mess around, Like
what do you think of Aaron Rodgers played?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
What did you see? And I was kind of like,
I know what I saw was.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
A lot of one years old, Yeah, and like this
looks a little bit what like it looked at the
end last year until he kind of picked it up
right right right at the end, like looks a little tired,
like looks not young, you know, And I really just
wonder are they good enough?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Which again, like I don't know, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I hate win predictions or whatever that nonsense is. I
assume the Bengals don't have a good chance right now,
like percentage wise, I'm sure it's not good. But I
really do wonder like if they are the team that
is standing at the end, like.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Racing to the playoffs, like what will be? I don't know,
I don't I just not as good.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I think the whole.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Division probably not as good as I thought.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But we've seen the Bengals play shootouts, mostly losing them.
We've seen the Ravens play shootouts, mostly losing them. You know,
those two teams can put points on the board. For
the Steelers, who did a lot of work, it was
no secret trying to find another wide receiver, just weren't
able to find something where the value matched up prior
to the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Alvin Austin has a ball hit him.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I mean right off of camera if it is hands
or his chest, but I mean it's a perfect pass
and you can't handle and that turns into an interception.
There are a lot of those those plays in the
game where you just go, you know, they got to
find this. We've we've seen Mike Tomlin put it together before,
but last you know, to the extent that they did
need a wake up call, you know that might that
might serve that purpose here. Then he got the AFC
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East where I mean, Mike Vrabel, it's unbelievable. You're you're
being reminded just on a weekly basis, how good of
a coach he is. Stefan Diggs looks like one of
the best acquisitions of the offseason, the level that he
is playing with. They got a short week here, Thursday
night game against the Jets. If they get that one,
I think the Patriots play like two games in a
one month span after that, because they get the mini
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by play two games and then get a real buy.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So they could be putting in a position where all
of a sudden they're.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Nine to two, and you know, you feel like, okay,
this is all setting up really, really well for them
moving forward. They now have a little bit of distance too,
in front of a Bills team that I don't know
what to what to make of what happened there. I mean,
good for the Dolphins. They you know, they hadn't played
a game in ten days, They fired their general manager,
they traded one of their pass rushers. Everybody was wondering
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who else gets fired or traded, and they looked like
they completely showed up on a night on a day
where the Bills did not.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So I want to talk about the Dolphins like the
Bills lost and looked terrible. I'm sort of like, not
that it's okay, but like it does happen. Like I
don't think they're bad. I think they went into a
place they got sort of punched in the mouth I
hate that phrase, punched in the mouth early, and probably
were surprised and just.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Didn't play well. They just played badly. It happens. It's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Everyone is watching the Dolphins now to see how they respond.
Tua looked once again just okay through a couple of
bad interceptions, but overall like for a coach that everyone
assumes is on his way out. And I'm you know,
I know it's possible, don't We'll see what's going to happen,
but I know it's possible.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They really look like they're playing for him.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And you know, that's how you tell whether or not
Mike McDaniel keep his job at the end of the year.
It's what do the players actions say? And they beat
the heck out of a really good Bills team and
their first opportunity to respond, and at least that was
interesting and at least that shows that this team is
still playing for their head coach or from.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The insiders after this.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Welcome back Steve White and Judy Batista to the conversation. Judy,
you had to jump for a phone call a short
time ago in the part one. If you're catching this
on the podcast, we're discussing the past, the formationion Er.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Paul Tagliabu.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I know that you spent some time even in recent
years with tags. Just tell your memories of him and
in your mind, what sort of the flashpoint moments were
of a ten year as NFL commissioner really in a
lot of ways define the direction that it's gone in
the twenty years since.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, the explosion of revenue that the NFL is still
in the middle of right now, that the NFL is
benefiting from right now, the groundwork for that was laid
by Paul Tagliabu.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
It was laid by Paul Tagliabu.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
And Gene Upshaw in getting that first CBA done after
the workstoppages the strikes replacement players, that was just a
debacle for the NFL and those two who had a
great relationship. The late Gene Upshaw recognized the importance of
labor piece that that would be the underpinning of everything,
and so they got the deal done that established free
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agency and the salary cap, and then shortly after that
they negotiated the league negotiated big television contracts and that
was sort of the first wave of the big me
a money flowing in.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
But he was very much a visionary.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Like he was a visionary in terms of like, teams
should build new stadiums and the league would help them
because that would all of that revenue that flows from stadiums,
naming rights, luxury suites that would flow into the game.
He was the first commissioner who wanted to play games
outside of the United States. The World League of Football
was in and that turned into NFL Europe and that
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was the first time that the NFL played internationally. So
a lot of the things that you're seeing now, and
certainly Rondregadel has taken it at run with it and
everything has exploded, but the basis of it was Paul Taglibo,
and it all goes back to getting that first CB
had done and having uninterrupted labor piece, which the NFL
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has still had. They've had some walkouts, but they haven't
missed games, and that was the key thing. He understood
that you had to have a working relationship between management
and the players to have the game be successful.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Our best too, Paul Tagliboo's family, everyone in our NFL
family who knew him as well. He had a great
passion for the game. And the games went on yesterday
on Sunday, Steve including in the Texans win led by
Davis Mills. It is a massive, ridiculous type of a
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comeback where of all things, Davis Mills running was a
big part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Here.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
What did that game show you about, not just the Texans,
but just kind of the state of that AFC South
Division that it's the.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Colts would really have to have some significant injuries or
the ultimate collapse not to run away with it, because
Jacksonville that collapse. I mean, I want to give the
Texans all the credit in the world for coming back,
but the Jags went three and out on two fourth
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quarter possessions and on that last touchdown drive that was
a fourteen play ninety three yard drive for that Davis
Mills end. They converted two long third downs, and then
of course the touchdown run came on a third down.
That's a disaster. But the fact that your offense can't
even pick up one first down, now this is a
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great defense, but in clutch moments, can't pick up one
first down, so at least kill the clock a little bit.
It's damnation on both sides of what they did. And
they also had a short punt that gave a short
field for Houston to get so it was just a
collapse on all those meters. But also that defense, Houston's
defense is going to keep it in games. And good
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on Davis Mills to be able to make the plays
to rally to get twenty six unanswered fourth quarter points,
which is nothing I have seen before in a game.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, I mean, to me, this was all interesting in
the fact that the Texans stayed in it. I'm sure
the stupid win prediction thing was like ninety seven percent, right,
stupidest stat of all time anyway, It's just never doesn't
make any sense, whatever the.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Gambling stat there, it's a stupid chance of winning until
they scored that touchdown and then their chances got better.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean, I saw that the Jets were playing the Browns,
and the Jets ended up winning, but it was like
seven minutes left, the Jets were up by seven points
and had the ball and it was like ninety three
percent chance of winning. I'm like, how if they punt
it and give the ball back, couldn't the Browns they
have better than an eight percent chance to get a
touch Anyway, it's just stupid a status chorus, it's right whatever. Anyway,
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it has been I believe, four games since Matt Burke,
the defensive coordinator, took over play calling duties from Jamico Ryans.
Usually that's like not always, but usually that's like kind
of not a great thing. This has been great because
Matt Burke has been awesome, pitched a shutout in his
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first game and help the defense come back, you know,
right right at the end here and just clamp down.
And it's been awesome and allowed Jamiko Ryan spend more
time with a new young offensive coordiner who they like
a lot, but who's inexperience.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
That has been really good.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And I think that's, you know, something that as the
Texans look to have success in the second half of
the season.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Is important.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And Judy I would say this like the Lions, you know,
didn't do the same thing. We did a similar thing
with Dan Campbell taking over play calling.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Duties in his in his way. That's pretty interesting too.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
What I love about the Dan Campbell and the Lions
situation is like everybody reading the tea leave's like, Okay,
he's got the play chart, all right, of course you
would have the play.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
He's also wearing reading.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Glasses, like right, That's how we figured out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Those of us old people.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Really, really we.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Appreciate Dan Campbell for representing I wasn't that worked out
great too. I just want to go back to why
the Texans and Jaguars. I thought the same thing Steve
about the cults. I thought, like the cult, like the
entire franchise will have to come down with the flu
simultaneously for them not to run away with this. I mean,
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just put their feet up and run away with that,
because the rest of that division is a mess.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
The Lions are super impressive.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
You know, we talked all off season about it's hard
to replace two coordinators at the same time, and you
know what, it's hard to replace two coordinators at the
same time, and you.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Know, it doesn't always go smoothly. It does.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
It takes a while to iron out the wrinkles, and
they seem to have ironed out the wrinkles.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
The Lions were determined to try to keep that quiet.
Some of us knew about the change a couple of
days ago, nobody would actually confirm that it was taking place.
It was going to be pretty obvious in the game
for all the reasons you just mentioned, Judy, you know,
most notably the fact that much like when Dan Campbell
took overplay calling in his first year for Anthony Lynn,
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they immediately they ran on the Steelers for like two
hundred something yards in that very first game. You could
see and Dan Campbell put it well, he said, I
know what our players can do. In other words, he's
got a feel. And so some of those players, the
Jamison Williams of the world, who had been frustrated and
were getting the ball, what do they do all of
a sudden they draw some stuff up to get the
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ball in those guys' hands. You know one other thing too,
if we're talking like hottest teams in the NFL, I
do think it's worth mentioning here, Steve. The Bears have won.
I believe it is six out of their last seven.
We get in week out. There are moments where you're like,
these guys are going to lose. But what Ben Johnson
and Dennis Allen, what they have done to get that
team playing its best in the biggest moments, for how
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young they are and a second year quarterback, it's been
really really impressive.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
That's a great point, Tom, because as we saw, even
in like the Falcons Colts game, it only takes three
or four plays swing a game, like those three or
four players in that Colts game with Jonathan Taylor going
eighty yards or touchdown run. But otherwise Atlanta's defense was great.
Chicago is getting those guys to play well in the
big moments, and I think that's serious. But the other
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thing they've also done, Tom, is they're running the football.
That has really buoyed both sides of the ball because
now they're able to sustain long drives, get some tempo,
get some rhythm with that offense. It's not consistent yet,
but running the football has also helped get some things
going and keep the defense fresh. I think they're a
team we need to absolutely have right here as we're
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coming down the strets because we don't know what. We're
going to get to the Vikings and we'll see what happens,
you know, tonight with Green Bay to see how they
can because they've been inconsistent as well.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
The Bears are in playoff position right now. Yeah, thank
I believe they're a wildcard team right now.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Remind me a little of the Commanders from a year ago.
Last year was Jade Daniels who at number two. Now
it's Caleb Williams, the number one picking that draft, who's
playing really, really well.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
All right, we got a run.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
We're back on NFL Network seven me a Eastern time
on Tuesday and night.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Thank you all for watching and listening.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We'll see them in Sten the Er
Speaker 6 (19:07):
A bug, the
Welcome back to the Insiders, Tom Pellicero and Ian Rapaport
with you Steve, which will be rejoining us in a
short period of time. We have a ton to get
into from Sunday. We also had some big news today.
Brian Dable out as the Giants head coach, Mike Kafka
in on an interim basis, GM Joe Shane stays on
(00:24):
and we'll lead the search for the next head coach
in New York. We also had a return to the
field and the big one Joe Burrow for the first
time since his turf toe surgery and a little bit
ahead of the projected schedule, back on the practice field
on a limited basis. Today they open up his twenty
one day practice window and we shall see when that
(00:44):
could mean Joe Burrow is back on the field.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
We covered a lot of that.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
If you're listening to this on the podcast, this is
part two, Part one. We dug into all that. Go
over there and check that out, but first just hang
with us right here, because we got a lot to
discuss out of what we saw on the AFC side of.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Things on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It started about bright and early yesterday, Ian with a
Colts team that made a ton of headlines the Sauce
Gardner trade. The game was a little edgy, quite frankly,
the Falcons. It felt like at times they were kind
of finding their stride. But Jonathan Taylor, who I made
the mistake recently of saying, is strengthening his offensive Player
of the Year resume, he continues to build out the
(01:24):
NFL MVP resume right here.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yep, that's offensive because he has a chance at everybody.
He's not going to get it. It doesn't matter. He's not
going to get it. Like it's never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
If he has twenty five touchdowns in two thousand yards
in might I mean Saque didn't win it last year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
That's the best argument.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Not it's not who I mean, what's never going to happen?
What that quarterback Stafford would be the guy? Staff would
be the guy? Or when Joe Burrow comes back runs
the table, I mean, come crazy?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Can he win Comeback Player of the Year within the year?
Is that possible? His third such a ward?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Last time he won Back Player of the Year. I'm
pretty sure he was like, no, I didn't he say
this thing. Let's hope to never do this again. Or
something like that. And yet and here we are, here,
we are anyway, He's not gonna win it. But Jonathan
Taylor is really like he's been so interesting to me
because remember what a battle was for him to get
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his extension, and then he was the first of the
really good running backs to try to start building back
that that market of like really good running back deals,
and it was like, is he worth it?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Is he not?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
At that point he had an ankle injury. He's been
so worth it. He's so good. He's the engine for
that whole team, which has a really good offensive line too.
That was pretty awesome, and that is a good His
play is sort of a good example of like what
a good run game and offensive line can do for
a quarterback and for a team. Yeah, I mean that
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whole win was That whole win was great. Raised some
questions about the Falcons and like how good Michael Pennix
is and whether he's good enough because there was some
you know, simple easy throws that were not made at
important times and I was like, oh boy. And the
other thing was Sauce Gardner dropped in interception that probably
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would have helped give them the lead.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Poetically, that's what should have happened. It didn't, but that's
what should have happened.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And just check with people because I'm not an expert
on cornerback play. They were very impressed for a guy
who was acquired on Tuesday, really flew in, had to
start watching film on a different team, learn the basics
of the system, get on a plane to Germany and
play five days later. That that's tough. He went out
there and played well. Should have had that pick six
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that would have made it feel a little bit different.
But c rearly a good start for Sauce. Now will
get a you know, something resembling at least a normal week. Meanwhile,
I don't know you can make arguments in terms of
like who's the favorite right now in the AFC harder
probably to make that about the Bills after what we
saw yesterday. I feel confident saying this. There's not a
lot of people who are going to say the favorite
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is in the AFC North because the Steelers are on
top of that division.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
But played.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I mean, Mike Tomlins was about as mad at the
podium after that game as you see Mike Tomlin. You know,
he was asked one question about how Aaron played and
he basically said, like, how do he look to you?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Next question?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
That's not ideal. The Ravens have won three in a row.
It was kind of an ugly game yesterday in Minnesota
for them. You've got the Bengals getting Joe Burrow back,
and you've got, you know, a Browns team that lost
yesterday to the Jets. You saw flashes where you thought, okay,
you can see it with some of those young players
on offense and with Dylan Gabriel, but just hasn't been
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good enough.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
The Steelers struggling.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Like that, Ian I would think is you know, I
don't want to call it a wake up call for
that team, but certainly to the extent that anybody might
have thought, well, they're just going to find a way here,
that's the type of performance that can come back to
bite you in the big picture against another team in
the AFC chase, and at this point with the Ravens,
you know, the one team in the NFL that reported
no injuries at all on their report last week, you
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have to start wondering, here are the Steelers once again
fighting just to try to get into the postseason.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
This should be a time when I say, look, out
for the Ravens.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
They've won three in a row, but that that was
like a grimy kind of win, Like it didn't the.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Defense is nine at halftime, they were down I think ten.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Nine at half time it was, and like the defense
definitely has looked better, but the offense kind of has
looked just now. The Vikings defense I love and everybody loves,
so I sort of get why they lull you into
those grimy games. But I think of right, like this
is more about like the Steelers being like are they
good enough again? And you know there's a lot that
(05:45):
comes with a forty whatever one year old quarterback. There
was a bunch of plays that like he left out
there yesterday too, like Mike Tomlin doesn't mess around, Like
what do you think of Aaron Rodgers played?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
What did you see? And I was kind of like,
I know what I saw was.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
A lot of one years old, Yeah, and like this
looks a little bit what like it looked at the
end last year until he kind of picked it up
right right right at the end, like looks a little tired,
like looks not young, you know, And I really just
wonder are they good enough?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Which again, like I don't know, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I hate win predictions or whatever that nonsense is. I
assume the Bengals don't have a good chance right now,
like percentage wise, I'm sure it's not good. But I
really do wonder like if they are the team that
is standing at the end, like.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Racing to the playoffs, like what will be? I don't know,
I don't I just not as good.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I think the whole.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Division probably not as good as I thought.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
But we've seen the Bengals play shootouts, mostly losing them.
We've seen the Ravens play shootouts, mostly losing them. You know,
those two teams can put points on the board. For
the Steelers, who did a lot of work, it was
no secret trying to find another wide receiver, just weren't
able to find something where the value matched up prior
to the trade deadline.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Alvin Austin has a ball hit him.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I mean right off of camera if it is hands
or his chest, but I mean it's a perfect pass
and you can't handle and that turns into an interception.
There are a lot of those those plays in the
game where you just go, you know, they got to
find this. We've we've seen Mike Tomlin put it together before,
but last you know, to the extent that they did
need a wake up call, you know that might that
might serve that purpose here. Then he got the AFC
(07:24):
East where I mean, Mike Vrabel, it's unbelievable. You're you're
being reminded just on a weekly basis, how good of
a coach he is. Stefan Diggs looks like one of
the best acquisitions of the offseason, the level that he
is playing with. They got a short week here, Thursday
night game against the Jets. If they get that one,
I think the Patriots play like two games in a
one month span after that, because they get the mini
(07:45):
by play two games and then get a real buy.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
So they could be putting in a position where all
of a sudden they're.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Nine to two, and you know, you feel like, okay,
this is all setting up really, really well for them
moving forward. They now have a little bit of distance too,
in front of a Bills team that I don't know
what to what to make of what happened there. I mean,
good for the Dolphins. They you know, they hadn't played
a game in ten days, They fired their general manager,
they traded one of their pass rushers. Everybody was wondering
(08:13):
who else gets fired or traded, and they looked like
they completely showed up on a night on a day
where the Bills did not.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
So I want to talk about the Dolphins like the
Bills lost and looked terrible. I'm sort of like, not
that it's okay, but like it does happen. Like I
don't think they're bad. I think they went into a
place they got sort of punched in the mouth I
hate that phrase, punched in the mouth early, and probably
were surprised and just.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Didn't play well. They just played badly. It happens. It's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Everyone is watching the Dolphins now to see how they respond.
Tua looked once again just okay through a couple of
bad interceptions, but overall like for a coach that everyone
assumes is on his way out. And I'm you know,
I know it's possible, don't We'll see what's going to happen,
but I know it's possible.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
They really look like they're playing for him.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
And you know, that's how you tell whether or not
Mike McDaniel keep his job at the end of the year.
It's what do the players actions say? And they beat
the heck out of a really good Bills team and
their first opportunity to respond, and at least that was
interesting and at least that shows that this team is
still playing for their head coach or from.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
The insiders after this.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Welcome back Steve White and Judy Batista to the conversation. Judy,
you had to jump for a phone call a short
time ago in the part one. If you're catching this
on the podcast, we're discussing the past, the formationion Er.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Paul Tagliabu.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I know that you spent some time even in recent
years with tags. Just tell your memories of him and
in your mind, what sort of the flashpoint moments were
of a ten year as NFL commissioner really in a
lot of ways define the direction that it's gone in
the twenty years since.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, the explosion of revenue that the NFL is still
in the middle of right now, that the NFL is
benefiting from right now, the groundwork for that was laid
by Paul Tagliabu.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
It was laid by Paul Tagliabu.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
And Gene Upshaw in getting that first CBA done after
the workstoppages the strikes replacement players, that was just a
debacle for the NFL and those two who had a
great relationship. The late Gene Upshaw recognized the importance of
labor piece that that would be the underpinning of everything,
and so they got the deal done that established free
(10:49):
agency and the salary cap, and then shortly after that
they negotiated the league negotiated big television contracts and that
was sort of the first wave of the big me
a money flowing in.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
But he was very much a visionary.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Like he was a visionary in terms of like, teams
should build new stadiums and the league would help them
because that would all of that revenue that flows from stadiums,
naming rights, luxury suites that would flow into the game.
He was the first commissioner who wanted to play games
outside of the United States. The World League of Football
was in and that turned into NFL Europe and that
(11:25):
was the first time that the NFL played internationally. So
a lot of the things that you're seeing now, and
certainly Rondregadel has taken it at run with it and
everything has exploded, but the basis of it was Paul Taglibo,
and it all goes back to getting that first CB
had done and having uninterrupted labor piece, which the NFL
(11:46):
has still had. They've had some walkouts, but they haven't
missed games, and that was the key thing. He understood
that you had to have a working relationship between management
and the players to have the game be successful.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Our best too, Paul Tagliboo's family, everyone in our NFL
family who knew him as well. He had a great
passion for the game. And the games went on yesterday
on Sunday, Steve including in the Texans win led by
Davis Mills. It is a massive, ridiculous type of a
(12:21):
comeback where of all things, Davis Mills running was a
big part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Here.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
What did that game show you about, not just the Texans,
but just kind of the state of that AFC South
Division that it's the.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Colts would really have to have some significant injuries or
the ultimate collapse not to run away with it, because
Jacksonville that collapse. I mean, I want to give the
Texans all the credit in the world for coming back,
but the Jags went three and out on two fourth
(12:56):
quarter possessions and on that last touchdown drive that was
a fourteen play ninety three yard drive for that Davis
Mills end. They converted two long third downs, and then
of course the touchdown run came on a third down.
That's a disaster. But the fact that your offense can't
even pick up one first down, now this is a
(13:17):
great defense, but in clutch moments, can't pick up one
first down, so at least kill the clock a little bit.
It's damnation on both sides of what they did. And
they also had a short punt that gave a short
field for Houston to get so it was just a
collapse on all those meters. But also that defense, Houston's
defense is going to keep it in games. And good
(13:39):
on Davis Mills to be able to make the plays
to rally to get twenty six unanswered fourth quarter points,
which is nothing I have seen before in a game.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, I mean, to me, this was all interesting in
the fact that the Texans stayed in it. I'm sure
the stupid win prediction thing was like ninety seven percent, right,
stupidest stat of all time anyway, It's just never doesn't
make any sense, whatever the.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Gambling stat there, it's a stupid chance of winning until
they scored that touchdown and then their chances got better.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean, I saw that the Jets were playing the Browns,
and the Jets ended up winning, but it was like
seven minutes left, the Jets were up by seven points
and had the ball and it was like ninety three
percent chance of winning. I'm like, how if they punt
it and give the ball back, couldn't the Browns they
have better than an eight percent chance to get a
touch Anyway, it's just stupid a status chorus, it's right whatever. Anyway,
(14:38):
it has been I believe, four games since Matt Burke,
the defensive coordinator, took over play calling duties from Jamico Ryans.
Usually that's like not always, but usually that's like kind
of not a great thing. This has been great because
Matt Burke has been awesome, pitched a shutout in his
(14:58):
first game and help the defense come back, you know,
right right at the end here and just clamp down.
And it's been awesome and allowed Jamiko Ryan spend more
time with a new young offensive coordiner who they like
a lot, but who's inexperience.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
That has been really good.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
And I think that's, you know, something that as the
Texans look to have success in the second half of
the season.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Is important.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And Judy I would say this like the Lions, you know,
didn't do the same thing. We did a similar thing
with Dan Campbell taking over play calling.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
Duties in his in his way. That's pretty interesting too.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
What I love about the Dan Campbell and the Lions
situation is like everybody reading the tea leave's like, Okay,
he's got the play chart, all right, of course you
would have the play.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
He's also wearing reading.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Glasses, like right, That's how we figured out what's going on.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Those of us old people.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Really, really we.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Appreciate Dan Campbell for representing I wasn't that worked out
great too. I just want to go back to why
the Texans and Jaguars. I thought the same thing Steve
about the cults. I thought, like the cult, like the
entire franchise will have to come down with the flu
simultaneously for them not to run away with this. I mean,
(16:13):
just put their feet up and run away with that,
because the rest of that division is a mess.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
The Lions are super impressive.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
You know, we talked all off season about it's hard
to replace two coordinators at the same time, and you
know what, it's hard to replace two coordinators at the
same time, and you.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Know, it doesn't always go smoothly. It does.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
It takes a while to iron out the wrinkles, and
they seem to have ironed out the wrinkles.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
The Lions were determined to try to keep that quiet.
Some of us knew about the change a couple of
days ago, nobody would actually confirm that it was taking place.
It was going to be pretty obvious in the game
for all the reasons you just mentioned, Judy, you know,
most notably the fact that much like when Dan Campbell
took overplay calling in his first year for Anthony Lynn,
(17:01):
they immediately they ran on the Steelers for like two
hundred something yards in that very first game. You could
see and Dan Campbell put it well, he said, I
know what our players can do. In other words, he's
got a feel. And so some of those players, the
Jamison Williams of the world, who had been frustrated and
were getting the ball, what do they do all of
a sudden they draw some stuff up to get the
(17:21):
ball in those guys' hands. You know one other thing too,
if we're talking like hottest teams in the NFL, I
do think it's worth mentioning here, Steve. The Bears have won.
I believe it is six out of their last seven.
We get in week out. There are moments where you're like,
these guys are going to lose. But what Ben Johnson
and Dennis Allen, what they have done to get that
team playing its best in the biggest moments, for how
(17:44):
young they are and a second year quarterback, it's been
really really impressive.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
That's a great point, Tom, because as we saw, even
in like the Falcons Colts game, it only takes three
or four plays swing a game, like those three or
four players in that Colts game with Jonathan Taylor going
eighty yards or touchdown run. But otherwise Atlanta's defense was great.
Chicago is getting those guys to play well in the
big moments, and I think that's serious. But the other
(18:07):
thing they've also done, Tom, is they're running the football.
That has really buoyed both sides of the ball because
now they're able to sustain long drives, get some tempo,
get some rhythm with that offense. It's not consistent yet,
but running the football has also helped get some things
going and keep the defense fresh. I think they're a
team we need to absolutely have right here as we're
(18:30):
coming down the strets because we don't know what. We're
going to get to the Vikings and we'll see what happens,
you know, tonight with Green Bay to see how they
can because they've been inconsistent as well.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
The Bears are in playoff position right now. Yeah, thank
I believe they're a wildcard team right now.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Remind me a little of the Commanders from a year ago.
Last year was Jade Daniels who at number two. Now
it's Caleb Williams, the number one picking that draft, who's
playing really, really well.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
All right, we got a run.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
We're back on NFL Network seven me a Eastern time
on Tuesday and night.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Thank you all for watching and listening.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We'll see them in Sten the Er
Speaker 6 (19:07):
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