November 17, 2025 • 25 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks open the show by breaking down the prototype teams are targeting in their next head coach (3:21). Then they preview Week 11’s most intriguing matchups, starting with Seahawks–Rams (14:32) before turning to Chiefs–Broncos and Lions–Eagles (21:37).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's up everybody?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome to move the sticks DJ and Bucky with you Buck?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How you doing, man, DJ? I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You know, we haven't even talked about it, but like
I guess this is the DJ Bucky Bowl again, like
this this has been one of those things. Charges played
the Jags this weekend, come across the country.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We hadn't even talked forgot, like, we haven't talked about that.
We'll get to the we'll get to the preview. By
the way, I think, are you undefeated in our games?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I know I've lost some, but we coming off of
we're limping into this game after fumbling away one against
the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I saw I saw it as the game and we'll
get to it a minute. But it's the game with
the greatest playoff implications in that that like if the
charge I know the charter side, but if they win,
it's ninety one percent chance their playoff team.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
If they lose, it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Drops to like fifty eight percent.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Like it's not crazy like that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, I always used the number the magic number is
ten because ten gets you into the postseason, and so
when the Jaguars dropped their game last week, they would
have put him at six. And you look at the schedule,
you try and pick out four games. But now it
makes it not a must win, but it narrows your
margin for error playing the Charges this week because you
gave away one last week. So now this is a
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huge one, and it'd be big because of all the
tie breaker implications at the bottom of the thing. The
Jags knocked off the knasay the Chiefs, and now if
they knock off the Chargers, it kind of helps them
if you kind of get into a little mix at
the end of the season where you can't win or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But now it's a big game.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And it'd be interesting because I've said this from a
quarterback standpoint that Justin Herbert should be Trevor Lawrence's muse
because of the similarities in terms of body types and
arm and all those other things. It'd be interesting interesting
to see that just plays out. Yeah, yeah, I put.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
In the chat.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So the yeah, Jags the Chargers go from Now it
guess it's changed a little bitsiness I last so a
ninety one percent chance if they win the sixty one
percent chance. If they lose, the Jags go from a
sixty percent chance to a twenty four percent chance. So
a lot a lot on the line there with those
two teams that we get a chance to fall around
the country squaring off. I'm not gonna be there till Saturday. Normal,
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we get in there Friday. The team travels on Friday. Buck,
But we've got I'm sure as you do. You got
to you got a playoff game this week?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
High school?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
No, No, we're all done? Are you all done? I
did not I didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I did not know.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You guys got balance and went done. We competitive?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Oh yeah, it was seventeen seventeen to ahead of ball
at a twenty yard line going in.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Just couldn't make it happen. But what I what I do?
And I finally have to acknowledge stars matter.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The team on the other side of Marquez had a
three star athlete, Elijah Staples, who's one of the top
ten athletes in California.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And yeah, they got those stars on people, putting those
stars on people for a reason. DJ He got us
real quick.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I mean we might have been five minutes into the
game and I'm like, oh, Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
There is. He's legit. That's that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Wow. I'm sorry to hear that it ended that way,
but I know the kids got a chance to learn
a lot of ball under Bucky this year, and excited
to see where Granada Hills is next year. The Christian
I have Patriots have the Ramona Bulldogs on the road
on Friday night, so I'm going to stay and watch
that and then take the first thing smoking too Jacksonville
on Saturday morning, so I'll see out there for that game.
(03:18):
Looking forward to some other good games. I want to
get to here in a minute, Buck, but I wanted
to get your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
On this.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
If I was you know, we're looking at some potential openings. Obviously,
the Giants job has opened since I last talked with you,
and we have the Tennessee job which is open. There's
going to be more not a secret there so not
so much the maybe the coach that you would say
is going to be the right fit for some of
these jobs. But I'm looking for what's the league it's
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a copycat league, and what's going to be the who's
going to be the north star of like the type
of coach we want to find the next this or
the next that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
What do you think it is? Man?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Look, I still think we're living in this world where
everyone wants either the next McVeigh or the next Shanahan,
not only because you get the system, but you get
the adaptability. When it comes to Sean McVay, I think
human bay more than Shanahan because he's viewed as the
young offensive wizard. But now I think people have a
tremendous amount of respect for him as a head coach
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and his.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Ability to morph and adapt to what he's been given.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What they're doing, and I'll say this, you're on the
front end of the movement when you identify the Rams
running their thirteen personnel packages, the three tight ends on
the field, what they've been able to do, how they're
able to kind of really make it smash mouth but sexy.
They do it, And I think what you want is
someone who can work with the quarterback but also has
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a great amount of respect and understanding of complimentary football
and being able to get the defense the way that
he wants to match the offense. All those things are
in play, and I think it's very hard for a
young coach to do, but I do believe so many
owners are going to be chasing that guy that has
that ability or seemingly has that ability to do so.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I think there's also going to be something to the
collaboration piece of it, where you're trying to make sure
you get the proper marriage between the GM and the
head coach and that that whole thing works. I'll give
you an example what Indianapolis has done this year, the
success that they've had. You get Ballard, who has always
been a traites guy. He wants to bring in the
you know, toolsy, traitsy players who might not always be
the most polished players. So who's the right fit with
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someone like that? An excellent teacher and on the coaching side,
and Shane Steichen has done that and lou Anroumo on
the defensive side. Like they've built a staff of guys
that not only know how to scheme, but know how
to develop and teach some of these athletes. I look
at the Chargers, you know who I'm around, and you
see Harbaugh and Ortiz, Well, there's an natural connective tissue
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there because of Ortiz coming from Baltimore, who was with
his brother and they they've been scouting the same type
of players, and you get Jesse Minner, who had been
in Baltimore, Michigan as a defensive coordinator, So you know
what style of player fits a defensively Greg Roman. These
guys all had history together and they're all they're all
drinking from the same hose here. They all they all
have a similar philosophy. So I'm curious to see how
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much that plays into it more so than just we
need to find the next Sean McVay or we're trying
to find the next Mike McDonald.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, now that is a great one.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
The Mike McDonald thing that you're talking about, that is
great because what he has created up in Seattle is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Like having watched the Seattle Seahawks play.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Up close in person when they came down to Jacksonville,
I can't say that I walked away more impressed. Not
only would what they do defensively with that active and
aggressive defensive line, how they're playing in the back end. Remember,
people were all on Reek Willing prior to the season.
He has turned it around and re emerged as a
top flight corner. But what they've been able to do
in terms of fully bacon out Sam Donald's game it's
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a fun, explosive offense. This quarterback friendly with Clinton Kubiak.
You want someone who has that ability to have a
specialty in the expertise on one side while also acknowledging
that they know how to get the other side up
and going too often when we've seen defensive mind the
head coaches is a we got a rough and tumble defense,
but a very conservative offense that plays the strength.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But the Seattle Seahawks have a little bit of both.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They push the envelope on offense while still maintaining the
dominance on defense. You absolutely want someone who is like
Mike McDonald, which brings me to a Jesse mentor because
they have so many similarities and parallels and they follows
you from Baltimore to Michigan and all this stuff kind
of marries.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, and I think about I mean, even Sam Donald
was the USC quarterback, he's married up with McDonald. Do
you get Jackson Dart began his career at USC. They
kind of had a similar profile. I think they need
to dial Dart back as a runner a little bit.
You know, Sam's a good athlete. Sam could run more
than he does, but he knows he can't he's got
to protect himself. Dark's a better athlete, but he's got
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to reel that in a little bit. But in terms
of some of the strengths, the moxie, you know, the
playmaking ability that you know Jackson Dart, there is some
similarities there, and I think marrying him up with a
defensive minded coach who would allow you to keep some
continuity with the offensive staff, whether that's Mike Kafka, whoever
else you want, which is to have somebody else there.
I mean that the Charters did it with Shane Day
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as the quarterback coach who survived from the previous coaching staff.
So even as they brought in a whole new head
coach and coordinators, he had that same comfortable voice that
had been with Herbert previously.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Look, the first thing that everyone asks is, well, who's
coming with you?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Who is going to be your offensive and defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
If you're coming over and we're talking about offense, if
you're not the offensive play caller, how are we going
to build around the quarterback and sustain it after the
hot coordinator goes away? And it look, it's gonna be
interesting who you compare with whom and as we talk
about like the synergy that you have to have amongst
the staff when you're trying to get this team up
and going.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's a lot of pressure on you.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And I understand why the hiring skills tend to tip
towards the offensive guys, because we talked about continuity and stability.
But man, there are some really good head coaches that
are going to come from the defense of the ball,
and you hope they get a fair shake when it
comes to building a team. The other part DJ so
for the Giants in particular, when you've gone novice coaches
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first time head coaches for so long, you tend to
want to go different than the way that you fall
to previously. So now you're going to have some i'll
just say season coaches, guys that it won't be their
first time around, like you. Mike McCarthy's people have thrown
out Steezepagnola. Even the name Antonio Peers has been banded about.
If you were looking to hire someone who's been a
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head coach previously, what would you look for? What would
be the traits that you're looking for to give someone
another opportunity at the Headgehob Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I think you just got to get them in the
room and see, you know, what they've learned and how
they've grown through the experience. We've seen guys have that
success on the next go round, so I think that's
to describe, but you kind of just got to get
him in there and see what that looks like. To me,
Vance Joseph and Brian Flores would be interesting guys to
bring in and and look at the success that they've
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had before and after their head coaching stints and just
figure out what you learned, you know, going through that process,
and that's going to be weighed against. You know, if
I was going to ask you, because I'm trying to
find the profiles and you talked about well, the next
Mike McDonald is Jesse Minner. That's not that's not even debatable.
They're the same guy. If I was going to ask you,
and I was going to ask you this, I wanted
to look it up. But Ben Jonson, the success he's
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had in Chicago, and I'm like, well, that's Clint Kubiak.
Like if you're trying to find that hot coordinator who's
doing some cool stuff, and who is you know, who
is empowered as the play caller because a lot of
these other offenses, you look at it and well, the
head coach is calling the place, so the coordinator is
somewhat newtered. So who are the you know, the good teams.
The teams are having great years with a coordinator with autonomy,
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like that's one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It would be Clint Kubiak.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, look, clink, you guys, go ahead. A great opportunity,
and let's let's be real. It helps that he has
a steady resource. When we talk about his dad, who
has been.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
A head coach. Before you think about.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
How advantageous it was for Kyle Shanahan to have a
dad who's been a Super Bowl winner to do it.
Klint Kubiak has that he's been around it at a
high level. He's had success in having success. Right now,
we talk about the reclamation project that Sam Donald is
and how he's continued to sustain that after we saw
it initially popfor him in Minnesota. You love that, and
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then it's about can you take a Kubiak pair him
with an older or experienced defensive coordinator who can kind
of be the assistant head coach defense handled that side
of the ball while he focuses on the offense and
then managing the overall team. That's typically been the blueprint
and the formula that works. You know, people talk about, oh,
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that's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Of sixty names. You're gonna have to be some retress.
I think if you.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Dig deep enough, you can find some viable candidates that
can take some of these jobs and go to the
next level.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And I think some of these coaching canad dates.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
First thing you have to do is you got to
look at the quarterback situation and figure out do I
want to be married to this young quarterback that might
be in place.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So when we talked about Tennessee, talk about the.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
New York Giants, those situations, how great do I feel
about having a young quarterback that I can get the
pop in the second year, much like Mike Rabel has
been able to get the best out of Drake May
in the second season in the league.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, you know the other thing is like we say,
like Josh McDaniels is here, Is there any chance at
all that he gets he gets another look at it?
I mean, I don't know that we see that happen,
but man, he's done an unbelievable job there. I was
looking at some of these defensive totals here. You know
who has the number two defense in the league. Cleveland
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Browns Jim Schwartz. You know, a coaching experience. I mean,
he is a great defensive coordinator, super Bowl winning coordinator,
and for whatever the issues the Browns have had, it
has not been their defense.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No, it certainly hasn't been their defense.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And it's unfortunate for the Browns that they've just been
atrocious on offense.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, there's no other way to see it.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like if they just had a smattering of an offense
to go with that defense, they would be able to
win games and be in the conversation then I did.
Swartz has done a good job in the past what
he did with Detroit. I think people have to remember
he stepped in after they were zero to sixteen, got
them up to run it. And remember he had Detroit
at a point where we were talking about Matthew Stafford
being an MVP candidate when he was a younger version
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of the star quarterback that we're seeing now.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Look not a bad option.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
There could be some There could be some options available,
But to me, I think ownership has to be bold
in terms of evaluating the player for what the situation
is and what it needs, not based on the previous resume.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Which coach fits what we currently.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Need and he can help us get over the top,
regardless of what the record is.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, yeah, put it in there. Second defense, thirty first
in offense. So maybe the most lopsided team in the
NFL is the Cleveland Rounds. Buck, There's one game I
want to dial in on here, and it actually you
can draw the connection to Jim Schwartz here when you
look at defenses that play the game the right way,
that play aggressive and physical mentioned Matthew Stafford. Being together
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with Jim Schwartz, Stafford and the Rams taking on Sam
Donald and the Seahawks is going to be an unbelievable matchup.
We'll take a quick break, we'll come right back and
jump into that one, all right, Buck, I've been looking
forward to this, maybe more than any of the game.
Throughout the whole season. These teams have been on a
collision course. We're going to get to see this matchup twice.
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I cannot wait to see how this thing goes down.
But I want to get your thoughts on it. I'll
give you mine, but just your big picture thoughts. Rams
Seahawks two teams.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That are built similarly.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
When you think about the way these teams go about
their business and how they really love the athletes that
have like the football character that you want, smart, fast, physical,
they get after it. They both are built in terms
of like from front to back. When I look at
the defensive fronts of both of these teams, I think
about the Seattle Seahawks and athletes they have Byron Murphy
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going alongside Lenard Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence and those other guys.
And then you think about Kobe Young and Jared Vers
and the other people that the Rams have upfront. Man,
they can get after it. But then on the perimeter
and how they go about it like offensively explosive playmakers
on the outside, great skilled route runners, quarterbacks that have
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an understanding of timing, rhythm, the anticipation and accuracy. It's
almost like these teams are mere reflections of one another
playing in a high stakes contest. I would never spend
money to go to an NFL game, but this one,
I think you could talk me into phoning up a
little money to sit there on the fifty yard line
to watch yout team Squirrel.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, I think they play, you know, not only physical
defenses with defensive lines are very ift and talented, and
I actually like the secondary better on the Seattle side
of things, I think that might be where their edges
in this game. But I was thinking about it, and
I was going through and I was watching all the
Seattle stuff, and I was watching how just how physical
and how hard they play. And I'm watching the rams
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and I'm thinking back to the team that won the
Super Bowl last year, in the Philadelphia Eagles, and I thought,
you know, not everybody plays this hard. You think it
should be the way it is. Everybody just kind of
busting it around the league. But I started thinking about, man,
maybe the secret sauce with defensive football right now is
the depth of your front. Like in other words, hey,
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no governor. You know, I talked to hard about every
week and got to know him pretty well the last
couple of years, and one line that he constantly uses
when you talk to him is like football is not
a marathon. I hate that line. This season is this
is a series of sprints. Every play is a sprint,
Every game is a sprint. Every season is a sprint.
And it starts with the first three steps on every play,
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like there's an urgency you have to play with. Well,
it's a heck of a lot easier to play that
fast and that hard when you know you got four
more defensive linemen. They're going to sub you guys out
before too long.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And look, it's easy to play that way.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Not only player feel like I can empty the bucket
knowing that I can get arrest, but it also easy
for a coach to demand that you're going to play
that hard when I have someone that can easily replace
the person that is in front of someone that is
on the bench. We talk about playing hard in the
urgency that you have to have. Dj to me, that's
the thing that separates the great teams from the ones
that are sparing to go from good to great. They
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play at a level that you can feel their presence
on the field. You can feel the urgency that they're
playing with. Sometimes we'll talk about like that championship maturity
that a team must display when they're really a title contender.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They know when to flip the switch, when.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The game is hanging in the ballance and when they
need to go make a play, and that play is
often made on a hustle play I can't say enough
about effort, energy, physicality, how those things deal to play,
whether we're talking about the National Football League all the
way down the high school youth ball, getting a team
to play hard, particularly on defense, to me, that's the secret, sauce.
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Can you run to the ball with bad intentions to
knock the ball out when you have a chance.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Both these teams are going to mix tight ends out there.
They're going to try and get you in single high
looks so they can go play action take their shots.
They both will move the quarterbacks, so you're not gonna
get comfortable with the lacht launch point is. To me,
I think the key to this game is going to
be who can who can play a man down in
the box and still stop the run, And that again
goes to having the depth to keep those guys fresh
to destruct blocks. But I think if you know, if
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you have to bring that man down and you got
to play single high, and I like Seattle secondary better
than I like the Rams secondary, but both those, that's
gonna have a tough time covering those dudes on the outside.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
If that's the case, well, I mean, look it's gonna
be tough.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I'm gonna just tell you, man, having watched JSN, his
game is going to another level. And the overall speed
factor that the Seattlex have on offense from the tight
ends Elijah Row and other to what they've been able
to bring in at the outside opposite JSN. Man, they're
gonna push you down the field. They're gonna challenge you
to be able to get to it. Clint Kobe actually
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gonna borrow some of those old concepts that his dad
used to be futtle defensive coordinated with. And you've got
to be on your p's and q's. And then the
Rams are a little different, right because they're not the
explosive team looking for the home run shots. But man,
they will script up some things, but DeVante Adams and
puking the cool to get open on. They will challenge
you with the numbers with their thirteen personnel package. Where
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you fall asleep at the wheel because you focused on
the run and then you look out the back door.
Cody Parkson is putting one into paint on you. This
is one where you're not only assessing the talent, but man,
you're looking at the tactics. And so that's why I'm
saying this is a football lover's dream. Yeah, Gavin put
in the chat about the nick Even Warrior game. He's
been playing well, and I was watching their stuff and
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it wasn't just him in terms of taking on blocks,
but Okada and the secondary I just wrote down on.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
All caps, like attacks polars. When you see that. I
don't know why that fires me up so much, but
when you see secondary guys and they've got a polar
coming to them, and the rules are the rules now,
you can't go low on them you used to be
back when you were playing, like, hey, you know you
cut down, cut them down like a tree. But I
wrote down on my paper when I was watching then,
I said, you know what, you really have three choices
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when you're a little guy facing a polar. You can avoid,
you can absorb, or you can annihilate. And like they
they play big man, they go attack the pollars and
like that just to me speaks to the overall aggression
of physicality that they're playing with us.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah. I mean, look, man, when you when you're coming downhill,
we always talk about playing downhill, playing fast, getting out
your shoes, like not making it complicated. That's one of
the things that you see from them. There's no hesitation.
They are on go and when I mean go, there
on the beginning of the g when it was time
to come downhill, like they are, they are playing. And
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you know, it's funny because we talked about Jesse Mentor
and Mike McDonald and those guys coming from Baltimore and
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It because you lived it.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
DJ have always felt like when you see those teams
with those coaches that come from Baltimore, and there was
a distinct style that they played with and that style
wasn't necessarily schematically, but just you could feel the aggressiveness.
That's the sense that I feel when I watch and
I'm on the field with.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The Seattle Seal.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You feel there, You feel their presence and if you
don't match it or exceed their physicality, they will beat
you up.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I mean they will beat you up from beginning the end.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, no questions. A couple more big games here, I
just want to get give me one thought and I'll
follow up here. Chiefs, Broncos, Lions.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Eagles Bucked.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I mean, those are that's the three big games. When
you combine that with Seahawks Rams, I'll.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Talk about both of them. For the Broncos, to me,
this is the litmus test in terms of Okay, we
can talk about you being a fringe contender, but now
you need to do it, because if you can do it,
then you can. Look, you can put the steak in
the vampire's heart. When it comes to can't see the Chiefs,
you can knock them out. You can put it in
a very very precarious situation in terms of them being
able to get into the postseason. But to do that,
Bow Nixon company need to play better on offense. The
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Detroit Lions Philadelphia Eagles game. It's interesting because listening to
Jalen Hurts talk about, Look, this is a team that
has been good. It is kind of personal for them.
They're going to be ready. They're gonna have a high
level of energy when they face us. I look at
it at Dan Campbell being what I think a great
head coach is man being able to take the play
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card when I need it. I mean, I got this,
We'll figured this out. I don't like what I'm seeing.
I'm gonna make a change and I'm gonna make it
right and for them to make it right. So I'm
looking forward to the Lions trying to make this a
very physical affair against the Eagles, and I want to
see the Eagles show that championship heart because this is
when you can send a message to the rest of
the league. Yeah, I know y'all think y'all are closing
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on the defending champs. There's difference, there's levels to this
when it comes to being a champ.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I feel like a lot some of these teams that
play the Eagles, man, they put so much into it.
I know the Rams did, and then they kind of
blew it late, and I think there was a carryover
off of that game. And it feels like the Lions
are doing the same thing here. So they got to
just be a little careful. You're not too amped up
on this thing. So we'll see if the poise in
the veteran presence of that Eagles group is able to
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handle that versus you know, they're going to come out
firing on the Detroit side of things. I still like
the Eagles there, and then when it comes to the
Chiefs and the Broncos. Chiefs where they are offensively right
now in a pretty good spot. My thing is, I mean,
they're going to get heated up. They're going to get
heated up off the edges from this Denver Broncos defense.
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And if Kansas I'll put it, can't say doesn't turn
the ball over. If they take some sacks, it's fine.
If they don't turn the ball over, I don't know
the Denver's offense has enough, so you just can't give
them anything. And I use the line of the day
in a Charger game. I was like, hey, man, it's
got to be you got to keep some of these
offenses on the naughty list, like don't give them anything.
Don't give him short fields, presence, no gifts. I mean,
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if you make Denver drive the length of the field
against Kansas City's defense, I don't think they're gonna score
a ton of points.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now, DJ and I think everyone has to come to
the realization we're almost at the point where we start
beginning to live and lean into what I call the
championship blueprint. And some of that is the way that
we play defense. It eliminate the explosives, make teams drive
the length of the field. We don't think their offense
is explosive enough to be able to muster enough drives
where they can put points up. And when I mean
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points up, sevens not threes. And if you're a team
like the Kan City Chiefs, who has enough firepower to
be able to get to that magic number twenty four. Yeah,
I think it can be a very very difficult game
for the Denver Broncos. And if the kan City Chiefs
win that, then what it does it sends a message
to the rest of the league be careful. We still
got it, we still can come, we still can do
all those things. The Boogeyman lives again when it comes
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to Pat Mahome.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yep, that's going to be a great trio of games man.
I can't wait to recap it next week. We appreciate
you guys hanging with us. We'll see you next time.
Right here on Move to sticks. Want to be
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What's up everybody?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome to move the sticks DJ and Bucky with you Buck?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
How you doing, man, DJ? I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You know, we haven't even talked about it, but like
I guess this is the DJ Bucky Bowl again, like
this this has been one of those things. Charges played
the Jags this weekend, come across the country.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We hadn't even talked forgot, like, we haven't talked about that.
We'll get to the we'll get to the preview. By
the way, I think, are you undefeated in our games?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I know I've lost some, but we coming off of
we're limping into this game after fumbling away one against
the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So yeah, well.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I saw I saw it as the game and we'll
get to it a minute. But it's the game with
the greatest playoff implications in that that like if the
charge I know the charter side, but if they win,
it's ninety one percent chance their playoff team.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
If they lose, it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Drops to like fifty eight percent.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Like it's not crazy like that.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, I always used the number the magic number is
ten because ten gets you into the postseason, and so
when the Jaguars dropped their game last week, they would
have put him at six. And you look at the schedule,
you try and pick out four games. But now it
makes it not a must win, but it narrows your
margin for error playing the Charges this week because you
gave away one last week. So now this is a
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huge one, and it'd be big because of all the
tie breaker implications at the bottom of the thing. The
Jags knocked off the knasay the Chiefs, and now if
they knock off the Chargers, it kind of helps them
if you kind of get into a little mix at
the end of the season where you can't win or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
But now it's a big game.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And it'd be interesting because I've said this from a
quarterback standpoint that Justin Herbert should be Trevor Lawrence's muse
because of the similarities in terms of body types and
arm and all those other things. It'd be interesting interesting
to see that just plays out. Yeah, yeah, I put.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
In the chat.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
So the yeah, Jags the Chargers go from Now it
guess it's changed a little bitsiness I last so a
ninety one percent chance if they win the sixty one
percent chance. If they lose, the Jags go from a
sixty percent chance to a twenty four percent chance. So
a lot a lot on the line there with those
two teams that we get a chance to fall around
the country squaring off. I'm not gonna be there till Saturday. Normal,
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we get in there Friday. The team travels on Friday. Buck,
But we've got I'm sure as you do. You got
to you got a playoff game this week?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
High school?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
No, No, we're all done? Are you all done? I
did not I didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I did not know.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
You guys got balance and went done. We competitive?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Oh yeah, it was seventeen seventeen to ahead of ball
at a twenty yard line going in.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Just couldn't make it happen. But what I what I do?
And I finally have to acknowledge stars matter.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The team on the other side of Marquez had a
three star athlete, Elijah Staples, who's one of the top
ten athletes in California.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And yeah, they got those stars on people, putting those
stars on people for a reason. DJ He got us
real quick.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I mean we might have been five minutes into the
game and I'm like, oh, Yep.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
There is. He's legit. That's that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Wow. I'm sorry to hear that it ended that way,
but I know the kids got a chance to learn
a lot of ball under Bucky this year, and excited
to see where Granada Hills is next year. The Christian
I have Patriots have the Ramona Bulldogs on the road
on Friday night, so I'm going to stay and watch
that and then take the first thing smoking too Jacksonville
on Saturday morning, so I'll see out there for that game.
(03:18):
Looking forward to some other good games. I want to
get to here in a minute, Buck, but I wanted
to get your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
On this.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
If I was you know, we're looking at some potential openings. Obviously,
the Giants job has opened since I last talked with you,
and we have the Tennessee job which is open. There's
going to be more not a secret there so not
so much the maybe the coach that you would say
is going to be the right fit for some of
these jobs. But I'm looking for what's the league it's
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a copycat league, and what's going to be the who's
going to be the north star of like the type
of coach we want to find the next this or
the next that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
What do you think it is? Man?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Look, I still think we're living in this world where
everyone wants either the next McVeigh or the next Shanahan,
not only because you get the system, but you get
the adaptability. When it comes to Sean McVay, I think
human bay more than Shanahan because he's viewed as the
young offensive wizard. But now I think people have a
tremendous amount of respect for him as a head coach
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and his.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Ability to morph and adapt to what he's been given.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
What they're doing, and I'll say this, you're on the
front end of the movement when you identify the Rams
running their thirteen personnel packages, the three tight ends on
the field, what they've been able to do, how they're
able to kind of really make it smash mouth but sexy.
They do it, And I think what you want is
someone who can work with the quarterback but also has
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a great amount of respect and understanding of complimentary football
and being able to get the defense the way that
he wants to match the offense. All those things are
in play, and I think it's very hard for a
young coach to do, but I do believe so many
owners are going to be chasing that guy that has
that ability or seemingly has that ability to do so.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I think there's also going to be something to the
collaboration piece of it, where you're trying to make sure
you get the proper marriage between the GM and the
head coach and that that whole thing works. I'll give
you an example what Indianapolis has done this year, the
success that they've had. You get Ballard, who has always
been a traites guy. He wants to bring in the
you know, toolsy, traitsy players who might not always be
the most polished players. So who's the right fit with
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someone like that? An excellent teacher and on the coaching side,
and Shane Steichen has done that and lou Anroumo on
the defensive side. Like they've built a staff of guys
that not only know how to scheme, but know how
to develop and teach some of these athletes. I look
at the Chargers, you know who I'm around, and you
see Harbaugh and Ortiz, Well, there's an natural connective tissue
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there because of Ortiz coming from Baltimore, who was with
his brother and they they've been scouting the same type
of players, and you get Jesse Minner, who had been
in Baltimore, Michigan as a defensive coordinator, So you know
what style of player fits a defensively Greg Roman. These
guys all had history together and they're all they're all
drinking from the same hose here. They all they all
have a similar philosophy. So I'm curious to see how
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much that plays into it more so than just we
need to find the next Sean McVay or we're trying
to find the next Mike McDonald.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, now that is a great one.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
The Mike McDonald thing that you're talking about, that is
great because what he has created up in Seattle is fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Like having watched the Seattle Seahawks play.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Up close in person when they came down to Jacksonville,
I can't say that I walked away more impressed. Not
only would what they do defensively with that active and
aggressive defensive line, how they're playing in the back end. Remember,
people were all on Reek Willing prior to the season.
He has turned it around and re emerged as a
top flight corner. But what they've been able to do
in terms of fully bacon out Sam Donald's game it's
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a fun, explosive offense. This quarterback friendly with Clinton Kubiak.
You want someone who has that ability to have a
specialty in the expertise on one side while also acknowledging
that they know how to get the other side up
and going too often when we've seen defensive mind the
head coaches is a we got a rough and tumble defense,
but a very conservative offense that plays the strength.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But the Seattle Seahawks have a little bit of both.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They push the envelope on offense while still maintaining the
dominance on defense. You absolutely want someone who is like
Mike McDonald, which brings me to a Jesse mentor because
they have so many similarities and parallels and they follows
you from Baltimore to Michigan and all this stuff kind
of marries.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah, and I think about I mean, even Sam Donald
was the USC quarterback, he's married up with McDonald. Do
you get Jackson Dart began his career at USC. They
kind of had a similar profile. I think they need
to dial Dart back as a runner a little bit.
You know, Sam's a good athlete. Sam could run more
than he does, but he knows he can't he's got
to protect himself. Dark's a better athlete, but he's got
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to reel that in a little bit. But in terms
of some of the strengths, the moxie, you know, the
playmaking ability that you know Jackson Dart, there is some
similarities there, and I think marrying him up with a
defensive minded coach who would allow you to keep some
continuity with the offensive staff, whether that's Mike Kafka, whoever
else you want, which is to have somebody else there.
I mean that the Charters did it with Shane Day
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as the quarterback coach who survived from the previous coaching staff.
So even as they brought in a whole new head
coach and coordinators, he had that same comfortable voice that
had been with Herbert previously.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Look, the first thing that everyone asks is, well, who's
coming with you?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Who is going to be your offensive and defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
If you're coming over and we're talking about offense, if
you're not the offensive play caller, how are we going
to build around the quarterback and sustain it after the
hot coordinator goes away? And it look, it's gonna be
interesting who you compare with whom and as we talk
about like the synergy that you have to have amongst
the staff when you're trying to get this team up
and going.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's a lot of pressure on you.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And I understand why the hiring skills tend to tip
towards the offensive guys, because we talked about continuity and stability.
But man, there are some really good head coaches that
are going to come from the defense of the ball,
and you hope they get a fair shake when it
comes to building a team. The other part DJ so
for the Giants in particular, when you've gone novice coaches
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first time head coaches for so long, you tend to
want to go different than the way that you fall
to previously. So now you're going to have some i'll
just say season coaches, guys that it won't be their
first time around, like you. Mike McCarthy's people have thrown
out Steezepagnola. Even the name Antonio Peers has been banded about.
If you were looking to hire someone who's been a
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head coach previously, what would you look for? What would
be the traits that you're looking for to give someone
another opportunity at the Headgehob Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I think you just got to get them in the
room and see, you know, what they've learned and how
they've grown through the experience. We've seen guys have that
success on the next go round, so I think that's
to describe, but you kind of just got to get
him in there and see what that looks like. To me,
Vance Joseph and Brian Flores would be interesting guys to
bring in and and look at the success that they've
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had before and after their head coaching stints and just
figure out what you learned, you know, going through that process,
and that's going to be weighed against. You know, if
I was going to ask you, because I'm trying to
find the profiles and you talked about well, the next
Mike McDonald is Jesse Minner. That's not that's not even debatable.
They're the same guy. If I was going to ask you,
and I was going to ask you this, I wanted
to look it up. But Ben Jonson, the success he's
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had in Chicago, and I'm like, well, that's Clint Kubiak.
Like if you're trying to find that hot coordinator who's
doing some cool stuff, and who is you know, who
is empowered as the play caller because a lot of
these other offenses, you look at it and well, the
head coach is calling the place, so the coordinator is
somewhat newtered. So who are the you know, the good teams.
The teams are having great years with a coordinator with autonomy,
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like that's one of them.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It would be Clint Kubiak.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yeah, look, clink, you guys, go ahead. A great opportunity,
and let's let's be real. It helps that he has
a steady resource. When we talk about his dad, who
has been.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
A head coach. Before you think about.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
How advantageous it was for Kyle Shanahan to have a
dad who's been a Super Bowl winner to do it.
Klint Kubiak has that he's been around it at a
high level. He's had success in having success. Right now,
we talk about the reclamation project that Sam Donald is
and how he's continued to sustain that after we saw
it initially popfor him in Minnesota. You love that, and
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then it's about can you take a Kubiak pair him
with an older or experienced defensive coordinator who can kind
of be the assistant head coach defense handled that side
of the ball while he focuses on the offense and
then managing the overall team. That's typically been the blueprint
and the formula that works. You know, people talk about, oh,
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that's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Of sixty names. You're gonna have to be some retress.
I think if you.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Dig deep enough, you can find some viable candidates that
can take some of these jobs and go to the
next level.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And I think some of these coaching canad dates.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
First thing you have to do is you got to
look at the quarterback situation and figure out do I
want to be married to this young quarterback that might
be in place.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
So when we talked about Tennessee, talk about the.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
New York Giants, those situations, how great do I feel
about having a young quarterback that I can get the
pop in the second year, much like Mike Rabel has
been able to get the best out of Drake May
in the second season in the league.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, you know the other thing is like we say,
like Josh McDaniels is here, Is there any chance at
all that he gets he gets another look at it?
I mean, I don't know that we see that happen,
but man, he's done an unbelievable job there. I was
looking at some of these defensive totals here. You know
who has the number two defense in the league. Cleveland
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Browns Jim Schwartz. You know, a coaching experience. I mean,
he is a great defensive coordinator, super Bowl winning coordinator,
and for whatever the issues the Browns have had, it
has not been their defense.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
No, it certainly hasn't been their defense.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And it's unfortunate for the Browns that they've just been
atrocious on offense.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, there's no other way to see it.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Like if they just had a smattering of an offense
to go with that defense, they would be able to
win games and be in the conversation then I did.
Swartz has done a good job in the past what
he did with Detroit. I think people have to remember
he stepped in after they were zero to sixteen, got
them up to run it. And remember he had Detroit
at a point where we were talking about Matthew Stafford
being an MVP candidate when he was a younger version
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of the star quarterback that we're seeing now.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Look not a bad option.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
There could be some There could be some options available,
But to me, I think ownership has to be bold
in terms of evaluating the player for what the situation
is and what it needs, not based on the previous resume.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Which coach fits what we currently.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Need and he can help us get over the top,
regardless of what the record is.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yeah, yeah, put it in there. Second defense, thirty first
in offense. So maybe the most lopsided team in the
NFL is the Cleveland Rounds. Buck, There's one game I
want to dial in on here, and it actually you
can draw the connection to Jim Schwartz here when you
look at defenses that play the game the right way,
that play aggressive and physical mentioned Matthew Stafford. Being together
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with Jim Schwartz, Stafford and the Rams taking on Sam
Donald and the Seahawks is going to be an unbelievable matchup.
We'll take a quick break, we'll come right back and
jump into that one, all right, Buck, I've been looking
forward to this, maybe more than any of the game.
Throughout the whole season. These teams have been on a
collision course. We're going to get to see this matchup twice.
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I cannot wait to see how this thing goes down.
But I want to get your thoughts on it. I'll
give you mine, but just your big picture thoughts. Rams
Seahawks two teams.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
That are built similarly.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
When you think about the way these teams go about
their business and how they really love the athletes that
have like the football character that you want, smart, fast, physical,
they get after it. They both are built in terms
of like from front to back. When I look at
the defensive fronts of both of these teams, I think
about the Seattle Seahawks and athletes they have Byron Murphy
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going alongside Lenard Williams and DeMarcus Lawrence and those other guys.
And then you think about Kobe Young and Jared Vers
and the other people that the Rams have upfront. Man,
they can get after it. But then on the perimeter
and how they go about it like offensively explosive playmakers
on the outside, great skilled route runners, quarterbacks that have
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an understanding of timing, rhythm, the anticipation and accuracy. It's
almost like these teams are mere reflections of one another
playing in a high stakes contest. I would never spend
money to go to an NFL game, but this one,
I think you could talk me into phoning up a
little money to sit there on the fifty yard line
to watch yout team Squirrel.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Yeah, I think they play, you know, not only physical
defenses with defensive lines are very ift and talented, and
I actually like the secondary better on the Seattle side
of things, I think that might be where their edges
in this game. But I was thinking about it, and
I was going through and I was watching all the
Seattle stuff, and I was watching how just how physical
and how hard they play. And I'm watching the rams
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and I'm thinking back to the team that won the
Super Bowl last year, in the Philadelphia Eagles, and I thought,
you know, not everybody plays this hard. You think it
should be the way it is. Everybody just kind of
busting it around the league. But I started thinking about, man,
maybe the secret sauce with defensive football right now is
the depth of your front. Like in other words, hey,
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no governor. You know, I talked to hard about every
week and got to know him pretty well the last
couple of years, and one line that he constantly uses
when you talk to him is like football is not
a marathon. I hate that line. This season is this
is a series of sprints. Every play is a sprint,
Every game is a sprint. Every season is a sprint.
And it starts with the first three steps on every play,
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like there's an urgency you have to play with. Well,
it's a heck of a lot easier to play that
fast and that hard when you know you got four
more defensive linemen. They're going to sub you guys out
before too long.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
And look, it's easy to play that way.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Not only player feel like I can empty the bucket
knowing that I can get arrest, but it also easy
for a coach to demand that you're going to play
that hard when I have someone that can easily replace
the person that is in front of someone that is
on the bench. We talk about playing hard in the
urgency that you have to have. Dj to me, that's
the thing that separates the great teams from the ones
that are sparing to go from good to great. They
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play at a level that you can feel their presence
on the field. You can feel the urgency that they're
playing with. Sometimes we'll talk about like that championship maturity
that a team must display when they're really a title contender.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
They know when to flip the switch, when.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The game is hanging in the ballance and when they
need to go make a play, and that play is
often made on a hustle play I can't say enough
about effort, energy, physicality, how those things deal to play,
whether we're talking about the National Football League all the
way down the high school youth ball, getting a team
to play hard, particularly on defense, to me, that's the secret, sauce.
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Can you run to the ball with bad intentions to
knock the ball out when you have a chance.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Both these teams are going to mix tight ends out there.
They're going to try and get you in single high
looks so they can go play action take their shots.
They both will move the quarterbacks, so you're not gonna
get comfortable with the lacht launch point is. To me,
I think the key to this game is going to
be who can who can play a man down in
the box and still stop the run, And that again
goes to having the depth to keep those guys fresh
to destruct blocks. But I think if you know, if
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you have to bring that man down and you got
to play single high, and I like Seattle secondary better
than I like the Rams secondary, but both those, that's
gonna have a tough time covering those dudes on the outside.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
If that's the case, well, I mean, look it's gonna
be tough.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I'm gonna just tell you, man, having watched JSN, his
game is going to another level. And the overall speed
factor that the Seattlex have on offense from the tight
ends Elijah Row and other to what they've been able
to bring in at the outside opposite JSN. Man, they're
gonna push you down the field. They're gonna challenge you
to be able to get to it. Clint Kobe actually
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gonna borrow some of those old concepts that his dad
used to be futtle defensive coordinated with. And you've got
to be on your p's and q's. And then the
Rams are a little different, right because they're not the
explosive team looking for the home run shots. But man,
they will script up some things, but DeVante Adams and
puking the cool to get open on. They will challenge
you with the numbers with their thirteen personnel package. Where
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you fall asleep at the wheel because you focused on
the run and then you look out the back door.
Cody Parkson is putting one into paint on you. This
is one where you're not only assessing the talent, but man,
you're looking at the tactics. And so that's why I'm
saying this is a football lover's dream. Yeah, Gavin put
in the chat about the nick Even Warrior game. He's
been playing well, and I was watching their stuff and
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it wasn't just him in terms of taking on blocks,
but Okada and the secondary I just wrote down on.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
All caps, like attacks polars. When you see that. I
don't know why that fires me up so much, but
when you see secondary guys and they've got a polar
coming to them, and the rules are the rules now,
you can't go low on them you used to be
back when you were playing, like, hey, you know you
cut down, cut them down like a tree. But I
wrote down on my paper when I was watching then,
I said, you know what, you really have three choices
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when you're a little guy facing a polar. You can avoid,
you can absorb, or you can annihilate. And like they
they play big man, they go attack the pollars and
like that just to me speaks to the overall aggression
of physicality that they're playing with us.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah. I mean, look, man, when you when you're coming downhill,
we always talk about playing downhill, playing fast, getting out
your shoes, like not making it complicated. That's one of
the things that you see from them. There's no hesitation.
They are on go and when I mean go, there
on the beginning of the g when it was time
to come downhill, like they are, they are playing. And
(20:57):
you know, it's funny because we talked about Jesse Mentor
and Mike McDonald and those guys coming from Baltimore and
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It because you lived it.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
DJ have always felt like when you see those teams
with those coaches that come from Baltimore, and there was
a distinct style that they played with and that style
wasn't necessarily schematically, but just you could feel the aggressiveness.
That's the sense that I feel when I watch and
I'm on the field with.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
The Seattle Seal.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You feel there, You feel their presence and if you
don't match it or exceed their physicality, they will beat
you up.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
I mean they will beat you up from beginning the end.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Yeah, no questions. A couple more big games here, I
just want to get give me one thought and I'll
follow up here. Chiefs, Broncos, Lions.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Eagles Bucked.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I mean, those are that's the three big games. When
you combine that with Seahawks Rams, I'll.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Talk about both of them. For the Broncos, to me,
this is the litmus test in terms of Okay, we
can talk about you being a fringe contender, but now
you need to do it, because if you can do it,
then you can. Look, you can put the steak in
the vampire's heart. When it comes to can't see the Chiefs,
you can knock them out. You can put it in
a very very precarious situation in terms of them being
able to get into the postseason. But to do that,
Bow Nixon company need to play better on offense. The
(22:10):
Detroit Lions Philadelphia Eagles game. It's interesting because listening to
Jalen Hurts talk about, Look, this is a team that
has been good. It is kind of personal for them.
They're going to be ready. They're gonna have a high
level of energy when they face us. I look at
it at Dan Campbell being what I think a great
head coach is man being able to take the play
(22:30):
card when I need it. I mean, I got this,
We'll figured this out. I don't like what I'm seeing.
I'm gonna make a change and I'm gonna make it
right and for them to make it right. So I'm
looking forward to the Lions trying to make this a
very physical affair against the Eagles, and I want to
see the Eagles show that championship heart because this is
when you can send a message to the rest of
the league. Yeah, I know y'all think y'all are closing
(22:52):
on the defending champs. There's difference, there's levels to this
when it comes to being a champ.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I feel like a lot some of these teams that
play the Eagles, man, they put so much into it.
I know the Rams did, and then they kind of
blew it late, and I think there was a carryover
off of that game. And it feels like the Lions
are doing the same thing here. So they got to
just be a little careful. You're not too amped up
on this thing. So we'll see if the poise in
the veteran presence of that Eagles group is able to
(23:18):
handle that versus you know, they're going to come out
firing on the Detroit side of things. I still like
the Eagles there, and then when it comes to the
Chiefs and the Broncos. Chiefs where they are offensively right
now in a pretty good spot. My thing is, I mean,
they're going to get heated up. They're going to get
heated up off the edges from this Denver Broncos defense.
(23:40):
And if Kansas I'll put it, can't say doesn't turn
the ball over. If they take some sacks, it's fine.
If they don't turn the ball over, I don't know
the Denver's offense has enough, so you just can't give
them anything. And I use the line of the day
in a Charger game. I was like, hey, man, it's
got to be you got to keep some of these
offenses on the naughty list, like don't give them anything.
Don't give him short fields, presence, no gifts. I mean,
(24:02):
if you make Denver drive the length of the field
against Kansas City's defense, I don't think they're gonna score
a ton of points.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Now, DJ and I think everyone has to come to
the realization we're almost at the point where we start
beginning to live and lean into what I call the
championship blueprint. And some of that is the way that
we play defense. It eliminate the explosives, make teams drive
the length of the field. We don't think their offense
is explosive enough to be able to muster enough drives
where they can put points up. And when I mean
(24:27):
points up, sevens not threes. And if you're a team
like the Kan City Chiefs, who has enough firepower to
be able to get to that magic number twenty four. Yeah,
I think it can be a very very difficult game
for the Denver Broncos. And if the kan City Chiefs
win that, then what it does it sends a message
to the rest of the league be careful. We still
got it, we still can come, we still can do
all those things. The Boogeyman lives again when it comes
(24:49):
to Pat Mahome.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yep, that's going to be a great trio of games man.
I can't wait to recap it next week. We appreciate
you guys hanging with us. We'll see you next time.
Right here on Move to sticks. Want to be
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