On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, Peanut and Roman are joined by Super Bowl champion cornerback Chris Harris, Jr. During an improbable 12-year NFL career after going undrafted in 2011, Chris not only won a title, but he turned himself into an All-Pro, and was a vaunted member of the Denver Broncos “No Fly Zone” secondary that’s still considered one of the best defensive back groups in NFL history. After not playing in 2023, despite staying in shape in case a team called, Chris talks to the guys about why he is now officially retiring from the NFL. The three guys also take us behind the scenes of the drama that unfolded in Super Bowl 50, and Chris explains why he stands by his post-game comments about Cam Newton that sparked a controversy that’s still talked about today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We had already seen the gutlet like we've already seen
Big Bean. Then we had to see Tom Brady. We
wasn't really scared of Cam at all. Tom Brady was
the man. So if we got past tom Brady and Gronk,
we fla. Oh nahs, ain't nobody beating us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thanks for tuning in, Peanut to me, and this is
the NFL Players Second Act podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
I didn't know I could be your uncle and your
nephew at the same time. This is some really crazy
Southern thing going on right now. But thank you for
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spread the word. Tell a friend to tell a friend. Peanut,
who is our guest today, We got a good one
super Bowl champion. He is a part of the infamous
No Fly Zone defense.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
He is an undrafted guy. He was he made the
All Decade twenty ten team.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
He's from Kansas. He's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Chris Harris Junior to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
You know, I've gotta be honest. You know, that was
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You never he hasn't really done that for a lot
of our guests, so that was good.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I got a gat. I'm feeling the energy right now.
It's love. It's all love.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Like I did my yoga this morning. I got my
tea right here. It's I'm feeling it right now.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
dB. Love to be love too. That's it. That's true.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's true. I mean, I'm with it. He said, you're
from Kansas, but you're from Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah. Well he went to Kansas, which is cool to you.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's why I want to get to Yeah, and you
started all four years.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah. Yeah, I went in KU. You know they they
had to leave at one corner and.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He was he on, like your recruit visit. I want
to know if recruit visit to Kansas that he wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Man. When I went on my visit the KU, I
was probably I didn't have any offers until probably basketball
season really really more basketball. Yeah, okay, so I had
more basketball offers first, and.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That was not in the bio. Yeah. Yeah, people don't
know that I got out of store, see that.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So, man, Gino came to our basketball practice and that's
when I got offered. And then during this it was
like a dead season. Nobody was on campus at that time. Yeah,
so I went. I kind of went like a sneaky
visit when nobody was up there. It was probably like
a couple of players that from Kansas that had me
on the video.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I didn't see to leave until I got until I
pulled up the campus. But it was just you know,
it was just a great spot for me be able
to go and play early and play in All Americans
because he was All American at the time and in
his senior year. So it was just a great opportunity
to go up there and compete.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So what made you choose football over basketball? You always
knew you were a football guy.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh, Man, I just knew I wasn't growing. Yeah, man,
I wasn't growing as much as everybody else.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You see you see the point guards, You're not too
many five eleven point guards.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I just thought football would be my best way
to go.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And I never really played corner until I got to college.
So seriously, yeah, so I didn't know if I was
gonna play what position in college? You know, So coaches
just like, we'll just find you by the defense athlete
he be, and and that's pretty much how. I just
went in there and just went in there and started
that corner.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's that's what's up. So what did you play in
high school? Was it confused?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I just played safety, man, I just was like a
free just wrong, you know, and just go back, go
find the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know, Hey, it worked out? This is a true
Is it worked out? How this is? I don't know
how that happens.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Like I'm not only have football scholarship, I'm playing basketball.
They see me, Hey, look, we just gonna find you
a spot out here, athlete.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
For you specifically?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Does it ever get tiring of you being asked about
being the undrafted free agent guy that made it bah
blah blah, or are you just like, hey, look, I'm
just this football player that made it, probably broke through
some odds, but this is who I am and this
is who I be. But you after hearing your high
school story, I'm sure you don't.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh man, it's just uh, it's just part of my journey,
you know, especially within the NFL circle. You know, a
lot of guys know how I came in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know, I think I had.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I had one of the lowest signing moments two thousand
you know, one of the last guys picked up on
our team.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Sorry to Laught, Sorry Laught. You know that's how we do, Ricky. Yeah,
you gotta come out there. You got to stand up.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
On that chair.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Two thousand dollars, Cansas University.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
The clown had some good vets, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I had Dawkins, yeah, champ Uh, you know, Boomerville, DJ Williams, Yeah, yeah,
a lot of good vets.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So Hall of famers, Yeah, a lot of good vets. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So they didn't really clown me too much. They kind
of took me in, you know, couldn't have took care
of me like a.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Little like a little little brother man, because they know
you ain't had no bread, champions, no money.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Come on, take care of him, man, So he had
tons of money, take care of.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So are you officially done with football? And what are
you keeping busy with? Now outside of some other things,
we'll go in.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, I wanted to kind of stay I wanted to
stay in shape and stay ready to go last year
just in case, because I felt like the year before,
even with New Orleans, I still play solid. I thought
I would be able to get picked up places safety
or Nickel.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't be like Jackson Kareem Jackson. Yeah, I didn't
even get a chance to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You know, and I'm probably one of the top tacklers
in my era go back and look. But it's just,
you know, just not having the opportunity. That was probably
one thing I was probably regretting, not being able to
play safety a little bit like a Ryan Day getting
a chancefer from Nick you know what I mean. I
didn't get that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
A lot of cats got to steal like four or
five years off of that. Yeah, I didn't get a
chance like straight twelve years straight corner, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I think I could have played safety, but my
knees couldn't let me. That is interesting. So how many
corners do you guys think? Both you guys, how many corners?
Looking like you know, when I'm done playing corner, I
want to transition and play safety.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's a few years in. Rod Woodson he was the
first to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
That I.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
First, Rod Woodson, Charles Charles, Charles Woodson did it?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Kareem Jackson's doing it currently? Yep, ma am I drawing
a blank. Southern Hall of Fame aneas Williams's Williams, heang,
it's killing me. Would you count Winfield and he played
Nickel more, I wouldn't say he played safety though, but.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Does Nickel Grande? I mean Ronde is another one too, Yeah, Ronne.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I just wanted to know, like from a cornerback's perspective, who, like,
do you guys actually think about these things? I never
thought about it, I mean, because you don't get to
go from safety.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
To the corner.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So I said it when I played, But looking back
on it now, if given the opportunity, if if it
would have gotten me another year or two, I definitely
would have played safety for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I mean I thought for sure I was gonna go
play safety, you know, just being able to have the football, IQ,
being able to tackle in space, understand the game, I
thought i'd be It would be a smooth transition to safety,
you know, but you know, just the way it is.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You know how the league is now. They're getting more
of the veterans out.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
If you look at it, look at the free agent list,
it's all vents, you know something. So that's just the
way the NFL is going right now. And that's just
probably my only regret. But I had a hell of
a time at Corner, you know, yeah, playing a great year.
He had a great career, kind of kind of reforming
the nickel right, because in my air, I would say
(07:40):
it wasn't too me Nicholas playing straight man. Say hey, coach,
you can play couple one all day in the nickel
and have this guy covered these guys, you know, Ron
Day and them was more of a there was a
zone zone, vision break, things like that. So I didn't
really get to do that too much in my career.
That's probably another thing I regret. Like Petera got to
see the ball a lot, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, he got I totally agree with you.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I played going from a man to man scheme for
a majority of my career, then all of a sudden
going to his own teams, Like man, I didn't know
it was so much easier. It just feels so much
more comfortab when you got to see the ball and
it slows down because you see more, you get more information,
You get a ton of information. So people you used
to always talk about how coverage are y'all just a
curve of two team? We might be, but I guarantee
(08:25):
you you ain't gonna play cover two like we played,
because it's gonna give us picks forrest fumbles, take ways
forst fumbles, take ways we.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Off the fill on third down.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Rod Mayor Nell used to always say, if you can,
we used to do nine on seven cover two.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Every time.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
He was like, if you can play cover two and
stop the run and stop the run, you can stop anybody.
And we just hey, I'm tell you the call curve two. Hey, y'all,
guess what the call is? Curver two. And that was
how we ran the defense. And so it was a
bonus when you played Cover one or Cover four or
whatever else. You know your bliss, You got what's the
corner opposite of you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Because he was always one of the guys I always
looked up to him.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Tim Jennings Jennings, Yeah, a little short guy, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, you didn't have to lead off with a little
short guys. You have to.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well that was our relationship because he was a little
like a little short guy.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
He is shorter though, Tim is short. I know Tim.
It's love Tim, you know I love you. Bro shout
out them had boss skills. Man, Why you call him
out like that? Man, I called about you just said it,
you know what. I tried to just fly under the
radar like he did when he.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Was like, oh yeah, so you know I own a
couple of Nike houses, Nake warehouses.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh yeah, I got some real estate. So let's let's
dive into that.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Uh how do you get in the Nike owning a
Nike warehouse? We were talking about this earlier and like
that's just not your normal real estate.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, man, I got into it early.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know early, man, my team was able to find
some great opportunity to be able to get in and
be able.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
To get some warehouses.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Really it's it's it's pretty much they hold all their
stuff there, and right I get to hold the hold
the building, you know, make sure everything's good, make sure
everything is disputed shipped out right. And man, that we
probably my financial of Isa Mark Quay, he probably got
me hooked up in that one. Probably like twenty sixteen
after the Super Bowl. Yeah, and just being able to
(10:15):
hop in on those being able to get land. I
got tons of land in Oklahoma and take a lot
of man it is and now they're they really rebuilding
a lot of it, right because you know, we had
that toss up Massac in nineteen hundreds, right, trying to
bring that back. So yeah, so I got a lot
of land into that. So hopefully we'll be able to
(10:38):
develop some new things for our people down There'll be
able to help that grow. But it's just you know,
with me, it's just been taking my time, you know,
just taking my time finding the right things. You want
to find the right partners in every situation because that's
when bad deals and things happen.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I never was the person. I always had to learn
because you know, I came to the league with two
thousand dollars coming up. I didn't come in the league
with twenty million dollars sign upon this.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know, I call that you're the guy who's you're
not from the lucky financial sperm bank.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So yeah, yeah, So I had to learn how to budget,
had to manage my money, had to be able to
say no, you know, at a fast at a fast
pace because I didn't have it, Like nobody could just
call me Chris, give me, send me some money. I'm like,
I'm undrafted, y'all see what I got. So it kind
of helped me in that way too, but it really
(11:28):
helped me down into the line now where I'm about
to be. I'm done now, I'm a year out now,
so now I kind of have a little bit more establishment.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, for those that don't know, and y'all you listening,
got to learn to say no and what saying no means.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Any family member, relative, cousin, best.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Friend, someone you went to high school, grade school, you
gotta tell him no because at some point in time,
if you're the guy that says, you know what, he.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Would never do that, she would never do that, you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Somebody, At some moment in time, somebody's gonna ask you
for some money.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Quick question.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I want to follow with what's been your favorite business
venture since getting to real estate?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
In business? What's been your favorite one? Like, man, this
is this is really cool, It is really fun. Like
what man? Just getting the land? Man?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay, I think yeah, getting land that my people's had lost,
you know, over just not being able to read simple
things like that. So being able to get that back
put the horses and stuff on there. You know, that's
been the funnest part right there. That's dope be to
just rebuy the stuff back from yeah loss. So now
that's the whole generational wolf.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And you can just pass it on in kids, grandkids, yeah, uncles, cousins, whoever.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So you keep it all in the family.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
How important would it be though, because you talked about
how they lost it, and so as you want to
get this back and then keep it in your family
to make sure they understand how they lost it, and
so making sure you're having that conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
How important of a piece is that because you talked
about how.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You and your financial player, financial advisor, you know, you
guys some really smart decisions and things that he's you know,
pushed you into and you've got to learn so much
about these things. How important is it going forward to
make sure that your next generation of your children or
your children's children understand what all this intels.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And that's a key thing because you know, they grow up,
key thing, because you know they grow up. They didn't
grow up how we grew up. You have a group
you know, our kids are privileged. Their privileged kids, private
school kids. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, with the Wi Fi baby.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, you know, I passed early. You know, just taking
them back there, let them see it. Taking them when
I have events, uh you know, for for homeless or
anything like that, for community events, taking them there with me.
Let them put in the work too, you know, and
letting them see things. You know, if old are your kids, man,
(13:49):
I have a I have five kids who I have
a nine to seven five for and uh.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
One okay, came forget the one came to get.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The one that's but yeah, you know, just showing and
they all girls. So I try to take them girl
dad okay, Yeah, So I try to take them to
the events and things like that. When we're doing uh
my wife's done that. She's doing a great job just
helping them develop them and be women. Know, like hey,
when I take them there and letting them know, like
this whole area, all these lands was y'all was our
(14:20):
land at one point, right, So just letting them know
because we have a we have our own family cemetery
things like that.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Wow, it was just our own just my family, just
our family.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You got those deep Oklahoma, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. I
think it's so cute cool that you make sure you
maintained by taking them back. My you know, my dad's
from the middle of nowhere, Alabama and they call it
like the black Belt. So every time we've gone back,
it's kind of similar what you're saying. He's like, he's
shown my kids where like his great grandfather was buried, yeah,
(14:51):
in the cemetery, and like, oh, this is his uncle
and this is a brother that died when he was
very young, and just kind of making sure you know
all these things to be able to pay it forward
and that you you don't just kind of just just
kind of skip over these things. I think it's very
important that you continue to let your kids and your
daughters know all that stuff. Really cool that your wife
continued to support you too. I've I've read a little
(15:12):
bit on her too, and we'll get into that. What's
the name of the show on the Paramount with Kevin
Costner and he's got the big ranch in Montana.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yellowstone Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, you like the black version of Yellowstone, Like you
keep it in this family, keeping it all in.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I like that. That's that's what's up. That's what's up. Yeah,
we'll be back in a minute, all right, So let.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Me let me pivot and change it real quick. So
this is our first time meeting. We played against each
other super Bowl fifty Now after all these years.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Do you still hold true to what you said?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, after the postgame, the postgame interviews, you were
saying some words. I don't think you were talking trash
or anything like that. You were just speaking, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
He was telling them about their game. People, was just
telling about the game playing.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, And I think Cam might have got a little
salty about it because the way the the way the
setup was your I guess your section was like right
literally right next to his. It was behind the bad setup,
back to back with just a little sheet in between.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And nobody knows that who's on the other side.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That was a bad set up, and he had he
had heard it, and I'm pretty sure he felt some
type of way, and then he ended up walking on
stage like this. Do you still you still hold true
to how you felt and what you said and how
that whole thing carried out or played out.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I never knew it was, honestly, I never knew Camp
was on the other side.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, So I was just talking mess you know, yeah,
which you should. Yeah, you know that was the game plan. Yeah,
it's it was a good game. Heat, I hate to
say it, bring the heat.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
They always kind of always what do you call it,
have chippers in the back. They always had extra blockers
in the back of the camp play action, extra blockers
for camp, try to get funtions Brown and take again
on space one on one routes. Right, So when they
did that, we would just bring the linebackers late. Just
keep bringing them late, non stop, just keep bringing them late.
(17:00):
And we know Cam likes to hold the ball a
little bit longer. Yeah, so we just late delayed, blitz
them all games, play man the man press, get up
in them and we felt like but like me, Roby
and to leave could cover Tech Gang, Funches and Brown
and Olsen And that was the game plan, you know,
and sick them dogs on them, sick d where von
(17:20):
Malik Jackson.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I was so mad that game because we was what
seventeen and one at that point, you know, I would
I want to know Chris's opinion because I know you
guys won the game, but if we played ten times,
how many times do you guys beat that team?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And I didn't even play that game.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I would say, depending on okay, is Peyton gonna be healthy?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Because he was not healthy. Was not what I'm saying.
He was not healthy. He was he couldn't throw the
ball thirty yards. So if we got a healthy Peyton
many I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm just saying, like, and we can't play all in
Denver too. I watched We're not playing all in Denver.
I go back there, I go back and I look
at that game. Number one, you guys out played us
all right. Number two, I thought you guys out coached us,
and we're better prepared for all the situations. You guys
made adjustments better than we did. I give you all
the credit for winning the game. But I look up
(18:13):
and I still like, there's no way that team was
better than our team. I don't care if Brock Oswald
or Peyton man it was playing quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It was just so.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Brandon was like, but that kind of lets you know
exactly the team that plays the best that day is
the one that wins. And these guys, you guys played
better period, and so but I look back and I'm like,
I think if we played them ten times, they may
win three.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We felt like our defense is the best. It was.
You guys definitely balled. We felt like it wasn't nobody.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
We had already seen the gutlet like, we've already seen
big being. Then we had to see Tom Brady and
the ain't going to see We wasn't really scared of
Cam at all, right, because we had already seen Tom
Brady was the man. So if we got past Tom
Brady and Gronk, we f like, oh no, ain't nobody
beating us?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The first Super Bowl that we had, we had twelve
starters on defense that didn't play against Seattle. That people
forget about that, right, Me and Van didn't play a
lot of a lot of a lot of our defensive
starters didn't play in that game. So we wanted. We
was hungry to get to that second one. And it
was a long If people go back and look at
that season, right, a lot of our mishaps happened because Peyton,
(19:20):
you know, pay no doubt, he was hurt. You know,
we had to bring in broad Bracket did a solid
job coming in, but that was the main issue was
is Peyton gonna be healthy?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Right? So we got them healthy enough at the end
to be able to ride that wave.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
At no doubt we knew that defense, Yes, we knew
that defense was gonna carry us there, and we felt
like we was nobody could touch us on defense.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That sounded like Chicago. We was always talking about the defense.
You know, love Smith will come in games and say,
I remember when Pep first got to Pep, when we
got Pep from Charlotte. We're playing the game or was
game week, and Lovely Smith comes in the defensive meeting
room and he goes, all right, defense, we got to
score two to and then he leaves and then Pep goes, hey, Yo,
(20:05):
what are you talking bout?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
What about the offense? I was like, won't care about
the offense. We gotta score points on defense, and if
we score points, will win. That's the Chicago man, that's
just the Marnins the main way, that's what we do.
And he was so intrigued by that, but he was
also mad. He was like, but they paid him money
though they got us score points. But that was just
the mindset of how we were in Chicago. It was
just like, no, it's it's a defensive city. We're defense first.
(20:29):
We don't care about offenses. We got to get these
points and it carried over.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well. They scored that game too, so yeah, I give
you guys credit. You guys scored. You did score twice.
There it is. It's dam He just stuck that key and.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Just Cam fumbled. They Ward could have picked it up
and scored. We could have had two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, because he got it on like the three of
the four ight as well have been a defensive touchdown yea,
I forgot.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
About that one.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, and they did score before that, So I think
your defense actually outscored our offense that game.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
MA think we had like three or four Yeah, three
or four turnovers for sure. Yeah, let's switch the subject.
Switch the not mad. I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Y'all had a great defense too, Like the Panthers was
like one or two. Y'all were right there. What is
y'all would have been one scoring? I think scoring y'all
might have been number one. Giving up points and stuff
like that and then yards and stuff. I think everything
else was us. But y'all were tough too, man. Luke
Kinckley and Josh was playing great. Yeah, man, y'all had
a solid secondary along with the D line was crazy.
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So y'all definitely had a squad man it was you know,
he just ran up against one of the top defenses.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Man. Yeah, man von Miller. He owned that game. He did.
All right, I'm ready to move on there.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I don't know about career highlight, and don't say that
game personal career highlight.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Man. I would say.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Something that you look back on and you see it
now and it still gives you goosebumps, like damn man
making big play.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I had a couple.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I have about three big plays AFC Championship game, especially
the fourth and one.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They had a fourth to one played with Brady.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And they kind of it was like it was a rollout,
but he would faked the handoff and he brought Edelmand
behind the line and I left my man and stayed
back for to leave.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That was probably probably one of.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
My best plays just because it was it wasn't it
was straight just playing off playing off play.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
This is an instance. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So, and to be able to make that play in
IFC Championship, that would be probably one of my favorite players.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
All right, I got another one. Then.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
If that's one of your favorite plays, what was your
welcome to the NFL moment? We're an undrafted guy. Out
of the University of Kansas and you get to your
team and it's just like all right, rookie. Then you
were just like, yo, this is this is me. This
is the NFL. Holy Holy, this is this is the league.
What was moment like for you?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I got a couple you know, my first game, you know,
we played the Raiders and they had fatten at that time.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It was Monday night, you know, it was.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
The first Broncos Raiders game, my first time experience at
a Denver you know, for getting that rival is a
big you know, like I'm looking at Dawkins champ out here.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, I'm just watching that this time. I'm just
straight gunner. You know, at this time. I didn't started
playing until like week four I started playing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But man, I seen sorry, darc Man, Sorry, I seen
I see McFadden come over there and just like boom,
just gave dunk one of them shoulders on the sideline
and I'm like, oh no, that to Brian Dawkins mcfatten.
And after that, I was like, Okay, this is the NFL.
You better be you better be ready to hit. Yeah,
And then I would say my next welcome to the
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NFL game would be against Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
We went down to Green Bay. As soon as I
came in the game, we were getting killed. So they
were like, hey, just throw them in there. This is
what he can do, you know what I mean, just
throw them in there.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
First player I came in there, I had damn what
was their receivers? They had driver Jennings, Jennings that had Jennings.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I was on Jennings.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
They threw him like a now route, like Aaron Rodgers
test me out, just throwing a little now route.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Now. I came in and just smacked him right out
right when he got it.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So that was kind of like my first time, you know,
really getting real, real game type reps and going against
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Man. So after that, man, that.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Was like, I'm not It's always funny to me, like
the plays that you remember because you can get so
many players, but it's like, oh, but I remember this
one time and all he did was through a now route.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Now I just tackled it. But just you gotta explain.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So the now route is the receiver just he doesn't
even run, He just stops staring.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And turns quarterba furs and throws it out to it.
It's really it's one on one. We think our guys better. Yes,
what are you gonna do? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I have an interesting couple thoughts I would like to know,
because I experienced has been a totally different way, and
that is the NFL lockout. So lockout for me was
I just won a Super Bowl in two thousand and nine,
I was gonna becoming a free agent. I was gonna
be a free agent because my contract was up, but
you had to be U The owners opted out, so
(25:01):
then you had to be six years to be able
to come a free agent unrestricted free agent, So I
was restricted, So I lost out on a little bit
of money.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
For you.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
On the other hand, you were supposed to get drafted.
The year that you got that the NFL had a lockout. Yeah,
you go undrafted. There's no communication between agent and ownership
or whoever, and you just sitting there.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So I want to.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Know what that felt like because I always think about
what was me in those times? But what was you
to be an undrafted guy at that time, sitting back
not knowing anything about your future, and then you get
a call and you're like, bro, you got to be
somewhere in like twenty four hours or a day and
then let's go man that whole process.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know, I was just confused.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I was hot really that whole time, because I'm like,
I started forty some games a big twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I'm shocked by that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I've already played Des Brian, Jordy Nelson, these guys, you
know what I mean. Jeremy Macklin, Yeah, you know all
these receivers. I'm already crabtree. I'm already fail these guys,
but I'm not getting invited into the combine and things
like that. So I was, you know, I was already
hot about that, and then not having any communication at all,
you know, after the after the pro date, that was it.
(26:12):
We couldn't talk to no scouts, you couldn't talk to
no gms. None of that was going on. So after
the draft, you know, after the draft, they usually have
undrafted get picked up, right, Yeah, and uh that didn't
happen that year. You know, that year was no undrafteds
picked up. It was just a draft and you kept
it moving, right.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So once we got to I just I just kept
my mind saying, you know, people were telling me how
you might as well just give it up as well.
Start working on to your next you know, you'll get
to your next job or you know, going to school.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You know, the draft was over. You know, the draft
was over here.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
They didn't really know about people didn't really know about
undrafted getting picked up things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Did that weigh on you though? People telling you that constantly?
Oh yeah, I had to That's why I wanted to
know this. I really wanted to know this.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, all the time people, I mean, you just get
ready for your next act, you know, maybe one going
to coaching, things like that, And I'm thinking on the
back of my head, like maybe I should be thinking
about this stuff too, you know. And once July came up,
it was probably like the end of July, I think, man,
I just got to call out of nowhere, you know,
from I had the Cowboys, the Dolphins, and the Broncos.
(27:20):
So I had those three like and they called like
in ten minutes, like you know which one you want
to come to, you know. And then my agent thought
that Denver would be the best spot just because they
had new GM. You know, this is always first year,
so I was kind of like always first class, you know, meet,
so we wanted to start fresh.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know. We knew they had they had Champed, they
had Dawkins.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
But they really didn't or they had Goodman too, and
Andre Goodman too because he was he played for about
good He played for like eleven years too at Corner.
So they knew that they had more older guys and
they were they were looking to make a transfer, so
they thought it would be a great spot for me
to go there and play. And that's why I went
with Denver right out of nowhere called me next day
(28:06):
pull up. They had a we had a run test, y'all.
Remember y'all know from over Hill. Yeah, I know, we
all had that run test. Man, all the vets everybody
came straight off, you know they were that was in luckout.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, they do anything either. No, man, I never
seen all the vets out of shape. Man.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It's that air though. How was the air when you
when you got there? How was that altitude when you
got there? Did it effect?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
It's like, yeah, oh man, it takes about it takes
two weeks you really get fully fully acclimated, right because
when you practice in the practice field, it's.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Gonna be higher when you go to the male high,
when you go to the when you go to the stadium.
It's gonna be thicker up there there. So even though
you're training in Denver, right, you're training in the valley, right,
but still higher when you get to the when you
get to the stadium, So you're.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Gonna feel it either way it goes.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I hate it playing Denver, no matter how I hated it.
It was the only time I ever came out of
the game as a dB is we went to Denver.
We had like three dB rotation because I just I
was just like, I can't typ of my helmet, yo, coach,
I need some air, Like, couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Hate it playing in Denver.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
If I was if I was an offensive coordinator Denver,
I'm no huddle every time I would totally get just
so winded, just walking not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Like a fat person.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, He's like, man, what is wrong with me? Well,
this is my next couple of questions. I'm gonna get up.
I'm gonna let Peanut get us up out of here.
I want to know do you still have that silver
Avalanche truck on twenty six because I heard about how
you spent your first million twenty sixes.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, yeah, I had to have in twenty sixty now.
I mean, I gotta get around Denver, Colorado somewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So man, that and that that tire is so thin.
I had twenty sixty too, so I can't.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
We took those out. We definitely had to take You
ain't getting through no so and no twenty sixes. We
had to take those off. Oh man, I had it
for I still got it. You still got my mom
over right now.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Okay, okay, you know that's kind of it's kind of
extra in case we need it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, I heard that. I kind of used it as
a work truck.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, it's a work truck now, you know. And it's
good for that, you know. It's it's one of the
last avalanches. That's why I want to keep it, because
they don't they don't even sell them anymore, you know.
I think you gotta it's hard to find those, so
I think mine's was like one of the last ones.
So I'm like, hey, we're gonna keep into the to
the wheels fall off. Man.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I agree. I agree. We're gonna take a short break
and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And this is a question we like to try and
delve into with all of our guests, and that is
that who is on your personal route Mount Rushmore of influence,
oh man?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
And how many is on Mount Rushmore? For right? It's full?
All right? Not four? It's full. Okay, it's four. Oh man,
that's tough. I'm gonna just go with.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Let's go with like Mount Rushmore teammates, good teammates that
I had. You know, okay, I like that Champ Bailey,
you know, being able to have him Hall of Fame guy.
But give me confidence, you know, like, hey, you can play,
you can coach, throw him out there with me. You
know what I mean when you hear a guy like
that say that, you know that gives a player of confidence.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Questions because you brought him up.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Champ used to do this like sideways backpedal, kind of
open thing. Then I saw you start doing it. Did
you Did you learn that strictly from him? Because I
had never seen anybody cover or do Cover three like this,
and you guys were some of the first ones ever
doing it.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Man, Champ had every tool.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's That's one thing that he taught me is that
you want to have every tool. We want to be
able to play sideways, play square, inch on the line, yes,
reach step on the line, be able to run and
be able to cover on the run and motion things
like that to him. Let me know that I had
to put a lot of tools to my game if
I was going to be successful like him. I'm not
(31:53):
six to one six two like chem Melly running four two,
So I got to be able to have these tools
tighten up. And that's one thing from watching him, Watching
those guys, they were perfectionists when it comes to technique fundamental.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
So Champ Bailey, you got three more man.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let me think of some other ones. Wesley Woodyard, Yeah,
y'all know. Wesley Woodard, great man, great vet guy that
definitely showed me the ropes, you know, showed me how
to come in and be a professional as an undrafted
what's it gonna take on special teams to be able
to kind of move myself to playing defense? So he
was one. Let me think about two more teammates. The
(32:32):
marriage Thomas dt Man RPD dt Man.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Good dude. Me and DT went at it every day.
Every day.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
It wasn't I. DT wasn't coming there. I'm giving you
a life day today. He knew I wasn't giving him
a life day, you know, But it was just that
constant competition every day and then just knowing that we
can go out here and battle, then we go go
eat lunch at Flemings or death Frisk and just cheer.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
That's just my guy man, RPD DT. But he was
just he was quiet and just a quiet assassin, yea.
And he was always the same. So that was good.
That was a good big brother to have that kind
of keep you calm kind of not he never got
too like emotional, you know. He was never in his
feelings things like that, even though he had times that
(33:18):
he could have, you know, but DT man, he was
a perfect He was a great example of being a
big brother in the NFL. How to be a leader
not just vocal, not vocal, but just being a leader period.
Oh man, who should I go with it on this one?
I would say, y'all probably don't know him. Well, y'all
(33:39):
do no him?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Derek Wolf?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, Wolf Wolf was such a he was an animal, right.
He brought that like kind of he gave. He gave
you that edge like I know you can go out
here and do whatever because I know you got this
big dual behind you.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
He's gonna ready to fight for you, no doubt. Right.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
He was like that big one of that. He was
the little brother, but the big brother. Yeah, you know,
and ab D we always went vacations together.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
That was just one of my one of my partners
right there, and he was just he brought that. He
gave you that intensity on the field at all times.
Right if you come out here, you say, if you're
not on your stuff, you just you're going through the
motions a little bit out here. You not really got
that firing in this game. Right, Nah, we'll gonna let
you know. Yeah, we'll gonna make sure you get right,
(34:27):
you know what I mean. He might and he might
be doing that another way. He might say, hey, Rivers,
I'm gonna eat your kids. What you're gonna do it
is trying to wake up, you know. He might say
some crazy stuff crazy, you know, but man, just having him, Uh,
those are my Rushmore teammates, you know, just because they
added something to my game mentally or physically and uh,
you know, gave me that little extra boost.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
And those are my guys man right there. Definitely, Chris
Man appreciate that. Thanks for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We appreciate you showing some love and just giving us
these stories and enjoyed it. Learn a little bit more
about you and your family and the Tulsa Land and
all that. That's that's you know.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I like that. Got a lot of black history out there, man,
it is. It is.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Didn't even know about the the Tulsa Master until I
was older in life, so there it is. I had
heard about it, but not like how we all know
about it now. But yeah, that's that's awesome. So yeah,
thank y'all for tuning in. I'm Peanut, that's my guy room.
Our special guest Chris Harris. Please like, subscribe, follow, iHeartRadio app.
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Speaker 3 (35:34):
Thank y'all. That's it. We're out here. Appreciate y'all.
We had already seen the gutlet like we've already seen
Big Bean. Then we had to see Tom Brady. We
wasn't really scared of Cam at all. Tom Brady was
the man. So if we got past tom Brady and Gronk,
we fla. Oh nahs, ain't nobody beating us.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
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super Bowl champion. He is a part of the infamous
No Fly Zone defense.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
He is an undrafted guy. He was he made the
All Decade twenty ten team.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
He's from Kansas. He's an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Chris Harris Junior to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
You know, I've gotta be honest. You know, that was
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You never he hasn't really done that for a lot
of our guests, so that was good.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I got a gat. I'm feeling the energy right now.
It's love. It's all love.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Like I did my yoga this morning. I got my
tea right here. It's I'm feeling it right now.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
dB. Love to be love too. That's it. That's true.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's true. I mean, I'm with it. He said, you're
from Kansas, but you're from Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah. Well he went to Kansas, which is cool to you.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That's why I want to get to Yeah, and you
started all four years.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah. Yeah, I went in KU. You know they they
had to leave at one corner and.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
He was he on, like your recruit visit. I want
to know if recruit visit to Kansas that he wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Man. When I went on my visit the KU, I
was probably I didn't have any offers until probably basketball
season really really more basketball. Yeah, okay, so I had
more basketball offers first, and.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
That was not in the bio. Yeah. Yeah, people don't
know that I got out of store, see that.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So, man, Gino came to our basketball practice and that's
when I got offered. And then during this it was
like a dead season. Nobody was on campus at that time. Yeah,
so I went. I kind of went like a sneaky
visit when nobody was up there. It was probably like
a couple of players that from Kansas that had me
on the video.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I didn't see to leave until I got until I
pulled up the campus. But it was just you know,
it was just a great spot for me be able
to go and play early and play in All Americans
because he was All American at the time and in
his senior year. So it was just a great opportunity
to go up there and compete.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
So what made you choose football over basketball? You always
knew you were a football guy.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh, Man, I just knew I wasn't growing. Yeah, man,
I wasn't growing as much as everybody else.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You see you see the point guards, You're not too
many five eleven point guards.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
So I just thought football would be my best way
to go.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And I never really played corner until I got to college.
So seriously, yeah, so I didn't know if I was
gonna play what position in college? You know, So coaches
just like, we'll just find you by the defense athlete
he be, and and that's pretty much how. I just
went in there and just went in there and started
that corner.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's that's what's up. So what did you play in
high school? Was it confused?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I just played safety, man, I just was like a
free just wrong, you know, and just go back, go
find the ball.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know, Hey, it worked out? This is a true
Is it worked out? How this is? I don't know
how that happens.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Like I'm not only have football scholarship, I'm playing basketball.
They see me, Hey, look, we just gonna find you
a spot out here, athlete.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
For you specifically?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Does it ever get tiring of you being asked about
being the undrafted free agent guy that made it bah
blah blah, or are you just like, hey, look, I'm
just this football player that made it, probably broke through
some odds, but this is who I am and this
is who I be. But you after hearing your high
school story, I'm sure you don't.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh man, it's just uh, it's just part of my journey,
you know, especially within the NFL circle. You know, a
lot of guys know how I came in the league.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know, I think I had.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I had one of the lowest signing moments two thousand
you know, one of the last guys picked up on
our team.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Sorry to Laught, Sorry Laught. You know that's how we do, Ricky. Yeah,
you gotta come out there. You got to stand up.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
On that chair.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Two thousand dollars, Cansas University.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
The clown had some good vets, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I had Dawkins, yeah, champ Uh, you know, Boomerville, DJ Williams, Yeah, yeah,
a lot of good vets.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So Hall of famers, Yeah, a lot of good vets. Man.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So they didn't really clown me too much. They kind
of took me in, you know, couldn't have took care
of me like a.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Little like a little little brother man, because they know
you ain't had no bread, champions, no money.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Come on, take care of him, man, So he had
tons of money, take care of.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So are you officially done with football? And what are
you keeping busy with? Now outside of some other things,
we'll go in.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, I wanted to kind of stay I wanted to
stay in shape and stay ready to go last year
just in case, because I felt like the year before,
even with New Orleans, I still play solid. I thought
I would be able to get picked up places safety
or Nickel.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I don't be like Jackson Kareem Jackson. Yeah, I didn't
even get a chance to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You know, and I'm probably one of the top tacklers
in my era go back and look. But it's just,
you know, just not having the opportunity. That was probably
one thing I was probably regretting, not being able to
play safety a little bit like a Ryan Day getting
a chancefer from Nick you know what I mean. I
didn't get that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
A lot of cats got to steal like four or
five years off of that. Yeah, I didn't get a
chance like straight twelve years straight corner, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, I think I could have played safety, but my
knees couldn't let me. That is interesting. So how many
corners do you guys think? Both you guys, how many corners?
Looking like you know, when I'm done playing corner, I
want to transition and play safety.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's a few years in. Rod Woodson he was the
first to do it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
That I.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
First, Rod Woodson, Charles Charles, Charles Woodson did it?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Did it?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Kareem Jackson's doing it currently? Yep, ma am I drawing
a blank. Southern Hall of Fame aneas Williams's Williams, heang,
it's killing me. Would you count Winfield and he played
Nickel more, I wouldn't say he played safety though, but.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Does Nickel Grande? I mean Ronde is another one too, Yeah, Ronne.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
I just wanted to know, like from a cornerback's perspective, who, like,
do you guys actually think about these things? I never
thought about it, I mean, because you don't get to
go from safety.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
To the corner.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So I said it when I played, But looking back
on it now, if given the opportunity, if if it
would have gotten me another year or two, I definitely
would have played safety for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I mean I thought for sure I was gonna go
play safety, you know, just being able to have the football, IQ,
being able to tackle in space, understand the game, I
thought i'd be It would be a smooth transition to safety,
you know, but you know, just the way it is.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You know how the league is now. They're getting more
of the veterans out.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
If you look at it, look at the free agent list,
it's all vents, you know something. So that's just the
way the NFL is going right now. And that's just
probably my only regret. But I had a hell of
a time at Corner, you know, yeah, playing a great year.
He had a great career, kind of kind of reforming
the nickel right, because in my air, I would say
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it wasn't too me Nicholas playing straight man. Say hey, coach,
you can play couple one all day in the nickel
and have this guy covered these guys, you know, Ron
Day and them was more of a there was a
zone zone, vision break, things like that. So I didn't
really get to do that too much in my career.
That's probably another thing I regret. Like Petera got to
see the ball a lot, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, he got I totally agree with you.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I played going from a man to man scheme for
a majority of my career, then all of a sudden
going to his own teams, Like man, I didn't know
it was so much easier. It just feels so much
more comfortab when you got to see the ball and
it slows down because you see more, you get more information,
You get a ton of information. So people you used
to always talk about how coverage are y'all just a
curve of two team? We might be, but I guarantee
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you you ain't gonna play cover two like we played,
because it's gonna give us picks forrest fumbles, take ways
forst fumbles, take ways we.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Off the fill on third down.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Rod Mayor Nell used to always say, if you can,
we used to do nine on seven cover two.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Every time.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
He was like, if you can play cover two and
stop the run and stop the run, you can stop anybody.
And we just hey, I'm tell you the call curve two. Hey, y'all,
guess what the call is? Curver two. And that was
how we ran the defense. And so it was a
bonus when you played Cover one or Cover four or
whatever else. You know your bliss, You got what's the
corner opposite of you.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Because he was always one of the guys I always
looked up to him.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Tim Jennings Jennings, Yeah, a little short guy, Georgia.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, you didn't have to lead off with a little
short guys. You have to.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Well that was our relationship because he was a little
like a little short guy.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
He is shorter though, Tim is short. I know Tim.
It's love Tim, you know I love you. Bro shout
out them had boss skills. Man, Why you call him
out like that? Man, I called about you just said it,
you know what. I tried to just fly under the
radar like he did when he.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Was like, oh yeah, so you know I own a
couple of Nike houses, Nake warehouses.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Oh yeah, I got some real estate. So let's let's
dive into that.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Uh how do you get in the Nike owning a
Nike warehouse? We were talking about this earlier and like
that's just not your normal real estate.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, man, I got into it early.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
You know early, man, my team was able to find
some great opportunity to be able to get in and
be able.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
To get some warehouses.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Really it's it's it's pretty much they hold all their
stuff there, and right I get to hold the hold
the building, you know, make sure everything's good, make sure
everything is disputed shipped out right. And man, that we
probably my financial of Isa Mark Quay, he probably got
me hooked up in that one. Probably like twenty sixteen
after the Super Bowl. Yeah, and just being able to
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hop in on those being able to get land. I
got tons of land in Oklahoma and take a lot
of man it is and now they're they really rebuilding
a lot of it, right because you know, we had
that toss up Massac in nineteen hundreds, right, trying to
bring that back. So yeah, so I got a lot
of land into that. So hopefully we'll be able to
(10:38):
develop some new things for our people down There'll be
able to help that grow. But it's just you know,
with me, it's just been taking my time, you know,
just taking my time finding the right things. You want
to find the right partners in every situation because that's
when bad deals and things happen.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I never was the person. I always had to learn
because you know, I came to the league with two
thousand dollars coming up. I didn't come in the league
with twenty million dollars sign upon this.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You know, I call that you're the guy who's you're
not from the lucky financial sperm bank.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So yeah, yeah, So I had to learn how to budget,
had to manage my money, had to be able to
say no, you know, at a fast at a fast
pace because I didn't have it, Like nobody could just
call me Chris, give me, send me some money. I'm like,
I'm undrafted, y'all see what I got. So it kind
of helped me in that way too, but it really
(11:28):
helped me down into the line now where I'm about
to be. I'm done now, I'm a year out now,
so now I kind of have a little bit more establishment.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yes, for those that don't know, and y'all you listening,
got to learn to say no and what saying no means.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Any family member, relative, cousin, best.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Friend, someone you went to high school, grade school, you
gotta tell him no because at some point in time,
if you're the guy that says, you know what, he.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Would never do that, she would never do that, you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Somebody, At some moment in time, somebody's gonna ask you
for some money.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Quick question.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I want to follow with what's been your favorite business
venture since getting to real estate?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
In business? What's been your favorite one? Like, man, this
is this is really cool, It is really fun. Like
what man? Just getting the land? Man?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay, I think yeah, getting land that my people's had lost,
you know, over just not being able to read simple
things like that. So being able to get that back
put the horses and stuff on there. You know, that's
been the funnest part right there. That's dope be to
just rebuy the stuff back from yeah loss. So now
that's the whole generational wolf.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
And you can just pass it on in kids, grandkids, yeah, uncles, cousins, whoever.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So you keep it all in the family.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
How important would it be though, because you talked about
how they lost it, and so as you want to
get this back and then keep it in your family
to make sure they understand how they lost it, and
so making sure you're having that conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
How important of a piece is that because you talked
about how.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You and your financial player, financial advisor, you know, you
guys some really smart decisions and things that he's you know,
pushed you into and you've got to learn so much
about these things. How important is it going forward to
make sure that your next generation of your children or
your children's children understand what all this intels.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
And that's a key thing because you know, they grow up,
key thing, because you know they grow up. They didn't
grow up how we grew up. You have a group
you know, our kids are privileged. Their privileged kids, private
school kids. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, with the Wi Fi baby.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, you know, I passed early. You know, just taking
them back there, let them see it. Taking them when
I have events, uh you know, for for homeless or
anything like that, for community events, taking them there with me.
Let them put in the work too, you know, and
letting them see things. You know, if old are your kids, man,
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I have a I have five kids who I have
a nine to seven five for and uh.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
One okay, came forget the one came to get.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
The one that's but yeah, you know, just showing and
they all girls. So I try to take them girl
dad okay, Yeah, So I try to take them to
the events and things like that. When we're doing uh
my wife's done that. She's doing a great job just
helping them develop them and be women. Know, like hey,
when I take them there and letting them know, like
this whole area, all these lands was y'all was our
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land at one point, right, So just letting them know
because we have a we have our own family cemetery
things like that.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Wow, it was just our own just my family, just
our family.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You got those deep Oklahoma, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. I
think it's so cute cool that you make sure you
maintained by taking them back. My you know, my dad's
from the middle of nowhere, Alabama and they call it
like the black Belt. So every time we've gone back,
it's kind of similar what you're saying. He's like, he's
shown my kids where like his great grandfather was buried, yeah,
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in the cemetery, and like, oh, this is his uncle
and this is a brother that died when he was
very young, and just kind of making sure you know
all these things to be able to pay it forward
and that you you don't just kind of just just
kind of skip over these things. I think it's very
important that you continue to let your kids and your
daughters know all that stuff. Really cool that your wife
continued to support you too. I've I've read a little
(15:12):
bit on her too, and we'll get into that. What's
the name of the show on the Paramount with Kevin
Costner and he's got the big ranch in Montana.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yellowstone Yellowstone.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Yeah, you like the black version of Yellowstone, Like you
keep it in this family, keeping it all in.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
I like that. That's that's what's up. That's what's up. Yeah,
we'll be back in a minute, all right, So let.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Me let me pivot and change it real quick. So
this is our first time meeting. We played against each
other super Bowl fifty Now after all these years.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Do you still hold true to what you said?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know, after the postgame, the postgame interviews, you were
saying some words. I don't think you were talking trash
or anything like that. You were just speaking, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
He was telling them about their game. People, was just
telling about the game playing.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, And I think Cam might have got a little
salty about it because the way the the way the
setup was your I guess your section was like right
literally right next to his. It was behind the bad setup,
back to back with just a little sheet in between.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
And nobody knows that who's on the other side.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That was a bad set up, and he had he
had heard it, and I'm pretty sure he felt some
type of way, and then he ended up walking on
stage like this. Do you still you still hold true
to how you felt and what you said and how
that whole thing carried out or played out.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I never knew it was, honestly, I never knew Camp
was on the other side.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, So I was just talking mess you know, yeah,
which you should. Yeah, you know that was the game plan. Yeah,
it's it was a good game. Heat, I hate to
say it, bring the heat.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
They always kind of always what do you call it,
have chippers in the back. They always had extra blockers
in the back of the camp play action, extra blockers
for camp, try to get funtions Brown and take again
on space one on one routes. Right, So when they
did that, we would just bring the linebackers late. Just
keep bringing them late, non stop, just keep bringing them late.
(17:00):
And we know Cam likes to hold the ball a
little bit longer. Yeah, so we just late delayed, blitz
them all games, play man the man press, get up
in them and we felt like but like me, Roby
and to leave could cover Tech Gang, Funches and Brown
and Olsen And that was the game plan, you know,
and sick them dogs on them, sick d where von
(17:20):
Malik Jackson.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I was so mad that game because we was what
seventeen and one at that point, you know, I would
I want to know Chris's opinion because I know you
guys won the game, but if we played ten times,
how many times do you guys beat that team?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And I didn't even play that game.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I would say, depending on okay, is Peyton gonna be healthy?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Because he was not healthy. Was not what I'm saying.
He was not healthy. He was he couldn't throw the
ball thirty yards. So if we got a healthy Peyton
many I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I'm just saying, like, and we can't play all in
Denver too. I watched We're not playing all in Denver.
I go back there, I go back and I look
at that game. Number one, you guys out played us
all right. Number two, I thought you guys out coached us,
and we're better prepared for all the situations. You guys
made adjustments better than we did. I give you all
the credit for winning the game. But I look up
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and I still like, there's no way that team was
better than our team. I don't care if Brock Oswald
or Peyton man it was playing quarterback.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It was just so.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Brandon was like, but that kind of lets you know
exactly the team that plays the best that day is
the one that wins. And these guys, you guys played
better period, and so but I look back and I'm like,
I think if we played them ten times, they may
win three.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
We felt like our defense is the best. It was.
You guys definitely balled. We felt like it wasn't nobody.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
We had already seen the gutlet like, we've already seen
big being. Then we had to see Tom Brady and
the ain't going to see We wasn't really scared of
Cam at all, right, because we had already seen Tom
Brady was the man. So if we got past Tom
Brady and Gronk, we f like, oh no, ain't nobody
beating us?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
The first Super Bowl that we had, we had twelve
starters on defense that didn't play against Seattle. That people
forget about that, right, Me and Van didn't play a
lot of a lot of a lot of our defensive
starters didn't play in that game. So we wanted. We
was hungry to get to that second one. And it
was a long If people go back and look at
that season, right, a lot of our mishaps happened because Peyton,
(19:20):
you know, pay no doubt, he was hurt. You know,
we had to bring in broad Bracket did a solid
job coming in, but that was the main issue was
is Peyton gonna be healthy?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Right? So we got them healthy enough at the end
to be able to ride that wave.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
At no doubt we knew that defense, Yes, we knew
that defense was gonna carry us there, and we felt
like we was nobody could touch us on defense.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That sounded like Chicago. We was always talking about the defense.
You know, love Smith will come in games and say,
I remember when Pep first got to Pep, when we
got Pep from Charlotte. We're playing the game or was
game week, and Lovely Smith comes in the defensive meeting
room and he goes, all right, defense, we got to
score two to and then he leaves and then Pep goes, hey, Yo,
(20:05):
what are you talking bout?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yo?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
What about the offense? I was like, won't care about
the offense. We gotta score points on defense, and if
we score points, will win. That's the Chicago man, that's
just the Marnins the main way, that's what we do.
And he was so intrigued by that, but he was
also mad. He was like, but they paid him money
though they got us score points. But that was just
the mindset of how we were in Chicago. It was
just like, no, it's it's a defensive city. We're defense first.
(20:29):
We don't care about offenses. We got to get these
points and it carried over.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well. They scored that game too, so yeah, I give
you guys credit. You guys scored. You did score twice.
There it is. It's dam He just stuck that key and.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Just Cam fumbled. They Ward could have picked it up
and scored. We could have had two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, because he got it on like the three of
the four ight as well have been a defensive touchdown yea,
I forgot.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
About that one.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, and they did score before that, So I think
your defense actually outscored our offense that game.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
MA think we had like three or four Yeah, three
or four turnovers for sure. Yeah, let's switch the subject.
Switch the not mad. I'm not mad.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Y'all had a great defense too, Like the Panthers was
like one or two. Y'all were right there. What is
y'all would have been one scoring? I think scoring y'all
might have been number one. Giving up points and stuff
like that and then yards and stuff. I think everything
else was us. But y'all were tough too, man. Luke
Kinckley and Josh was playing great. Yeah, man, y'all had
a solid secondary along with the D line was crazy.
(21:30):
So y'all definitely had a squad man it was you know,
he just ran up against one of the top defenses.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Man. Yeah, man von Miller. He owned that game. He did.
All right, I'm ready to move on there.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I don't know about career highlight, and don't say that
game personal career highlight.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Man. I would say.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Something that you look back on and you see it
now and it still gives you goosebumps, like damn man
making big play.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
I had a couple.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I have about three big plays AFC Championship game, especially
the fourth and one.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
They had a fourth to one played with Brady.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
And they kind of it was like it was a rollout,
but he would faked the handoff and he brought Edelmand
behind the line and I left my man and stayed
back for to leave.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That was probably probably one of.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
My best plays just because it was it wasn't it
was straight just playing off playing off play.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
This is an instance. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So, and to be able to make that play in
IFC Championship, that would be probably one of my favorite players.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
All right, I got another one. Then.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
If that's one of your favorite plays, what was your
welcome to the NFL moment? We're an undrafted guy. Out
of the University of Kansas and you get to your
team and it's just like all right, rookie. Then you
were just like, yo, this is this is me. This
is the NFL. Holy Holy, this is this is the league.
What was moment like for you?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Man?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I got a couple you know, my first game, you know,
we played the Raiders and they had fatten at that time.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
It was Monday night, you know, it was.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
The first Broncos Raiders game, my first time experience at
a Denver you know, for getting that rival is a
big you know, like I'm looking at Dawkins champ out here.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You know, I'm just watching that this time. I'm just
straight gunner. You know, at this time. I didn't started
playing until like week four I started playing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But man, I seen sorry, darc Man, Sorry, I seen
I see McFadden come over there and just like boom,
just gave dunk one of them shoulders on the sideline
and I'm like, oh no, that to Brian Dawkins mcfatten.
And after that, I was like, Okay, this is the NFL.
You better be you better be ready to hit. Yeah,
And then I would say my next welcome to the
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NFL game would be against Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
We went down to Green Bay. As soon as I
came in the game, we were getting killed. So they
were like, hey, just throw them in there. This is
what he can do, you know what I mean, just
throw them in there.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
First player I came in there, I had damn what
was their receivers? They had driver Jennings, Jennings that had Jennings.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
I was on Jennings.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
They threw him like a now route, like Aaron Rodgers
test me out, just throwing a little now route.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Now. I came in and just smacked him right out
right when he got it.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So that was kind of like my first time, you know,
really getting real, real game type reps and going against
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Man. So after that, man, that.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Was like, I'm not It's always funny to me, like
the plays that you remember because you can get so
many players, but it's like, oh, but I remember this
one time and all he did was through a now route.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Now I just tackled it. But just you gotta explain.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
So the now route is the receiver just he doesn't
even run, He just stops staring.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
And turns quarterba furs and throws it out to it.
It's really it's one on one. We think our guys better. Yes,
what are you gonna do? Yes?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I have an interesting couple thoughts I would like to know,
because I experienced has been a totally different way, and
that is the NFL lockout. So lockout for me was
I just won a Super Bowl in two thousand and nine,
I was gonna becoming a free agent. I was gonna
be a free agent because my contract was up, but
you had to be U The owners opted out, so
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then you had to be six years to be able
to come a free agent unrestricted free agent, So I
was restricted, So I lost out on a little bit
of money.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
For you.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
On the other hand, you were supposed to get drafted.
The year that you got that the NFL had a lockout. Yeah,
you go undrafted. There's no communication between agent and ownership
or whoever, and you just sitting there.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So I want to.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Know what that felt like because I always think about
what was me in those times? But what was you
to be an undrafted guy at that time, sitting back
not knowing anything about your future, and then you get
a call and you're like, bro, you got to be
somewhere in like twenty four hours or a day and
then let's go man that whole process.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You know, I was just confused.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I was hot really that whole time, because I'm like,
I started forty some games a big twelve.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I'm shocked by that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I've already played Des Brian, Jordy Nelson, these guys, you
know what I mean. Jeremy Macklin, Yeah, you know all
these receivers. I'm already crabtree. I'm already fail these guys,
but I'm not getting invited into the combine and things
like that. So I was, you know, I was already
hot about that, and then not having any communication at all,
you know, after the after the pro date, that was it.
(26:12):
We couldn't talk to no scouts, you couldn't talk to
no gms. None of that was going on. So after
the draft, you know, after the draft, they usually have
undrafted get picked up, right, Yeah, and uh that didn't
happen that year. You know, that year was no undrafteds
picked up. It was just a draft and you kept
it moving, right.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So once we got to I just I just kept
my mind saying, you know, people were telling me how
you might as well just give it up as well.
Start working on to your next you know, you'll get
to your next job or you know, going to school.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You know, the draft was over. You know, the draft
was over here.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
They didn't really know about people didn't really know about
undrafted getting picked up things like that.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Did that weigh on you though? People telling you that constantly?
Oh yeah, I had to That's why I wanted to
know this. I really wanted to know this.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, all the time people, I mean, you just get
ready for your next act, you know, maybe one going
to coaching, things like that, And I'm thinking on the
back of my head, like maybe I should be thinking
about this stuff too, you know. And once July came up,
it was probably like the end of July, I think, man,
I just got to call out of nowhere, you know,
from I had the Cowboys, the Dolphins, and the Broncos.
(27:20):
So I had those three like and they called like
in ten minutes, like you know which one you want
to come to, you know. And then my agent thought
that Denver would be the best spot just because they
had new GM. You know, this is always first year,
so I was kind of like always first class, you know, meet,
so we wanted to start fresh.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know. We knew they had they had Champed, they
had Dawkins.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
But they really didn't or they had Goodman too, and
Andre Goodman too because he was he played for about
good He played for like eleven years too at Corner.
So they knew that they had more older guys and
they were they were looking to make a transfer, so
they thought it would be a great spot for me
to go there and play. And that's why I went
with Denver right out of nowhere called me next day
(28:06):
pull up. They had a we had a run test, y'all.
Remember y'all know from over Hill. Yeah, I know, we
all had that run test. Man, all the vets everybody
came straight off, you know they were that was in luckout.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, they do anything either. No, man, I never
seen all the vets out of shape. Man.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It's that air though. How was the air when you
when you got there? How was that altitude when you
got there? Did it effect?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
It's like, yeah, oh man, it takes about it takes
two weeks you really get fully fully acclimated, right because
when you practice in the practice field, it's.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Gonna be higher when you go to the male high,
when you go to the when you go to the stadium.
It's gonna be thicker up there there. So even though
you're training in Denver, right, you're training in the valley, right,
but still higher when you get to the when you
get to the stadium, So you're.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Gonna feel it either way it goes.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
I hate it playing Denver, no matter how I hated it.
It was the only time I ever came out of
the game as a dB is we went to Denver.
We had like three dB rotation because I just I
was just like, I can't typ of my helmet, yo, coach,
I need some air, Like, couldn't do it.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Hate it playing in Denver.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
If I was if I was an offensive coordinator Denver,
I'm no huddle every time I would totally get just
so winded, just walking not doing anything.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Like a fat person.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, He's like, man, what is wrong with me? Well,
this is my next couple of questions. I'm gonna get up.
I'm gonna let Peanut get us up out of here.
I want to know do you still have that silver
Avalanche truck on twenty six because I heard about how
you spent your first million twenty sixes.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, yeah, I had to have in twenty sixty now.
I mean, I gotta get around Denver, Colorado somewhere.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
So man, that and that that tire is so thin.
I had twenty sixty too, so I can't.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
We took those out. We definitely had to take You
ain't getting through no so and no twenty sixes. We
had to take those off. Oh man, I had it
for I still got it. You still got my mom
over right now.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Okay, okay, you know that's kind of it's kind of
extra in case we need it.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, I heard that. I kind of used it as
a work truck.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, it's a work truck now, you know. And it's
good for that, you know. It's it's one of the
last avalanches. That's why I want to keep it, because
they don't they don't even sell them anymore, you know.
I think you gotta it's hard to find those, so
I think mine's was like one of the last ones.
So I'm like, hey, we're gonna keep into the to
the wheels fall off. Man.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I agree. I agree. We're gonna take a short break
and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And this is a question we like to try and
delve into with all of our guests, and that is
that who is on your personal route Mount Rushmore of influence,
oh man?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
And how many is on Mount Rushmore? For right? It's full?
All right? Not four? It's full. Okay, it's four. Oh man,
that's tough. I'm gonna just go with.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Let's go with like Mount Rushmore teammates, good teammates that
I had. You know, okay, I like that Champ Bailey,
you know, being able to have him Hall of Fame guy.
But give me confidence, you know, like, hey, you can play,
you can coach, throw him out there with me. You
know what I mean when you hear a guy like
that say that, you know that gives a player of confidence.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Questions because you brought him up.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Champ used to do this like sideways backpedal, kind of
open thing. Then I saw you start doing it. Did
you Did you learn that strictly from him? Because I
had never seen anybody cover or do Cover three like this,
and you guys were some of the first ones ever
doing it.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Man, Champ had every tool.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's That's one thing that he taught me is that
you want to have every tool. We want to be
able to play sideways, play square, inch on the line, yes,
reach step on the line, be able to run and
be able to cover on the run and motion things
like that to him. Let me know that I had
to put a lot of tools to my game if
I was going to be successful like him. I'm not
(31:53):
six to one six two like chem Melly running four two,
So I got to be able to have these tools
tighten up. And that's one thing from watching him, Watching
those guys, they were perfectionists when it comes to technique fundamental.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
So Champ Bailey, you got three more man.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let me think of some other ones. Wesley Woodyard, Yeah,
y'all know. Wesley Woodard, great man, great vet guy that
definitely showed me the ropes, you know, showed me how
to come in and be a professional as an undrafted
what's it gonna take on special teams to be able
to kind of move myself to playing defense? So he
was one. Let me think about two more teammates. The
(32:32):
marriage Thomas dt Man RPD dt Man.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Good dude. Me and DT went at it every day.
Every day.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
It wasn't I. DT wasn't coming there. I'm giving you
a life day today. He knew I wasn't giving him
a life day, you know, But it was just that
constant competition every day and then just knowing that we
can go out here and battle, then we go go
eat lunch at Flemings or death Frisk and just cheer.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
That's just my guy man, RPD DT. But he was
just he was quiet and just a quiet assassin, yea.
And he was always the same. So that was good.
That was a good big brother to have that kind
of keep you calm kind of not he never got
too like emotional, you know. He was never in his
feelings things like that, even though he had times that
(33:18):
he could have, you know, but DT man, he was
a perfect He was a great example of being a
big brother in the NFL. How to be a leader
not just vocal, not vocal, but just being a leader period.
Oh man, who should I go with it on this one?
I would say, y'all probably don't know him. Well, y'all
(33:39):
do no him?
Speaker 3 (33:43):
Derek Wolf?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, Wolf Wolf was such a he was an animal, right.
He brought that like kind of he gave. He gave
you that edge like I know you can go out
here and do whatever because I know you got this
big dual behind you.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
He's gonna ready to fight for you, no doubt. Right.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
He was like that big one of that. He was
the little brother, but the big brother. Yeah, you know,
and ab D we always went vacations together.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
That was just one of my one of my partners
right there, and he was just he brought that. He
gave you that intensity on the field at all times.
Right if you come out here, you say, if you're
not on your stuff, you just you're going through the
motions a little bit out here. You not really got
that firing in this game. Right, Nah, we'll gonna let
you know. Yeah, we'll gonna make sure you get right,
(34:27):
you know what I mean. He might and he might
be doing that another way. He might say, hey, Rivers,
I'm gonna eat your kids. What you're gonna do it
is trying to wake up, you know. He might say
some crazy stuff crazy, you know, but man, just having him, Uh,
those are my Rushmore teammates, you know, just because they
added something to my game mentally or physically and uh,
you know, gave me that little extra boost.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
And those are my guys man right there. Definitely, Chris
Man appreciate that. Thanks for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Man.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
We appreciate you showing some love and just giving us
these stories and enjoyed it. Learn a little bit more
about you and your family and the Tulsa Land and
all that. That's that's you know.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
I like that. Got a lot of black history out there, man,
it is. It is.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Didn't even know about the the Tulsa Master until I
was older in life, so there it is. I had
heard about it, but not like how we all know
about it now. But yeah, that's that's awesome. So yeah,
thank y'all for tuning in. I'm Peanut, that's my guy room.
Our special guest Chris Harris. Please like, subscribe, follow, iHeartRadio app.
(35:31):
Please go to Apple Podcast to get your podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Thank y'all. That's it. We're out here. Appreciate y'all.
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