On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, Peanut and Roman are joined by NFL Media analyst and former All-Pro receiver Steve Smith Sr. Peanut kicks off the discussion by recalling a play when Steve took a would-be interception away from him. Steve then shares his approach to critiquing current players as a former player turned sports media analyst. Roman and Steve reminisce about their on-field encounters, including a fight that broke out after a late hit Roman gave Steve during a game in 2009. Steve also shares why he questions the Hall of Fame vetting process, and how he stacks up against other Hall of Fame-caliber receivers. Steve also gets introspective about his transition from the NFL and why he says it was important to grieve the end of his football life. Steve has channeled his energy into combatting homelessness and talks about how he does that through the Steve Smith Family Foundation.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
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I gotta be honest. Yeah, I'm really excited about our
next guest. He's become a really good friend of mine. Really,
I actually called it somewhat of a mentor because of
(00:55):
where he lives where I live. He's a great person,
even better football player. And uh he's got great he's
he's in a great place now.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I feel like in his life.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Okay, okay, yeah, So let me let me read. Let
me read the bio real quick for your third third
round pick. I hate the third round pick. Two thousand
and one draft out of Utah. Uh dominant receiver when
he played in his era for sure Hall of Fame semifinalists,
now an analysts for NFL Media and the host of
(01:27):
cut to It podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, cut to it, cut to it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Cut to it. Yeah, I can't say cut to it,
just cut to Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Cut to it. You said it like you were reading it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I had to.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
As an FBI agent, you should be able to.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I just, I just I'm slow.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Public school, baby, public school, public school.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You had the better public school ladies, and Jim and
he already talked to Steve Smiths.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
There you go, thank you. So I'm gonna get right
to it.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Was so before the show we was talking. We played,
y'all two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, so you must have been sending seeing a few
of my clubs.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Let me let me get to it, let me get highlight.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, it's so so. There was a play I think
maybe first second play the game.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It was the first first play of the game.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It was a TfL I got it.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Got him.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, no, no, no, no, but.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Let me kill you got your podcasts and you do
your thing. This is not Let me do my thing
real quick.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So first play the game. I got the tf L.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yes, I mean you you have a chance for REBUTTAL
got the TfL. Was it was like a tackle for
loss or maybe a one yard game whatever. It was
like you correct the now pass we call so smoke.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
This.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I don't know if it was that same series. It
might have been the second series. So someone told me
it was like he it was a signal or whatever.
So I go, I try to make to play. You
run right by me, You run by Mike Brown, j
ju exkus hurt touchdown. So the next series, I'm mad
because I listened to somebody else. I didn't trust my instincts.
(03:11):
So me and you were battling down the field. Jake
Delone throves it up.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Me and you.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We both go up. Two gladiators, two fierce competitors.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
We both go up.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I have the ball in my hands. Chris Harris. Chris
Harris came out of nowhere, hits me.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
He comes down with the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I am so mad at Chris Harris. Serious, I'm Chris,
like I'm talking I'm talking to Chris Harris, like cash
to Chris Harris. And then I think later that night
he was like.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Now I'm telling you all right now.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
He came down with it, but I came up with it,
and I was like immediately, not really mad at you, yeah,
more mad at Chris Harris because he was just so
out of control hit me with the friendly five.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Oh my god. If you go back to the replay, okay,
you did have it when you were coming down. I
was able to get a little bit, but it was
it was good. It was one of the interesting things.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Though, is I feel like you set me up.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
No, I'm not one of the interesting things until I've
really started paying attention because I really don't watch my stuff. Yeh.
And because of some things that have happened, I've started
to go back and go, you know what, actually, let
me go evaluate myself, let me go see some of
my plays, and so some of these plays are coming up,
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and so it's actually kind of it's been not like funny,
like a look at me, but it was like, oh man,
I forgot that happened.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah yeah, oh I.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Didn't even remember this or you know, so it was
brought up, but it was more brought up on accident,
less about who look at me, flaxing and all that stuff.
And and like you said, I get a bad rap
a little bit of, you know, because I am a
pretty active conversator.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No, I got just the fierce competitor.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
The thing about Smitty that I love is that, you know,
living in Charlotte, I get to hear this guy on
the radio a lot. I think he's an amazing interviewer,
and I don't think he gets enough credit for that.
I think he's conscious with his words. You don't say
much that you don't mean that I think of trying to. Yeah,
I don't think you do. And so I think that's
where it all comes from. So I think now that
(05:46):
we get to see you outside of the mask, it's
been really cool to see you, get to know you
a little bit more and just maybe talk about your
own journey from when you first came in because you
said you don't like your resume.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So why is that?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And then maybe talking about your journey through that whole thing,
because you've been through a lot, from you know, injuries
in college, having your wife be there for you, the
whole support system, and now getting to it you now
outside of football, continue on your journey.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I mean it's been a lot in regardss of treasure,
just trying to figure out where to go, how to go,
how does things look? You know, the media space right
now is so former player current player driven in every sport,
right from football, basketball down the golf, and I think
(06:37):
it's remarkable and I think, you know, I think it's
where it is right now. It's kind of like n
I l it's kind of like the housing market a
couple of years ago, where it's doing so well, but
at some point or however it will reset, and how
in the way of resets, we're not really sure. And
(06:59):
so for me business wise, just looking through it, I
don't really feel comfortable and confident trying to keep up
with the bigger names, trying to keep up with some
of the conversation dialogue. For me, it's just more about
I'm very inquisitive about people, and then I'm also inquisitive.
I watch a lot of film and just kind of
(07:20):
sitting that air that area of just kind of evaluating
players and seeing what I like dislike, and then just
kind of talking about it and letting that live right
there and you know, people know in the past, there's
been the current and players that have strongly disagreed with
my opinion or my perspective. And I don't have a
(07:43):
problem with I really don't have a problem with it.
I just I think how things go about it. I
ran into a guy today at the airport here in Vegas.
I was talking to DeAndre Swift when he was with
Detroit and when they traded when he was traded uh
(08:06):
and then Detrop and when the Eagles traded for inside
Rashad Penny and DeAndre Swift. I made a statement. I
was like, hey, based off these two guys injuries, they
really only got one player because these guys are constantly injured. Yep.
And I know he heard it, and so I saw
(08:28):
him and I said, hey, man, I made a statement
about this, and I just wanted to let you know.
I said, because I'm you know, I'm a face to
face guy. If I'm wrong, I like to talk to
the people to face. And I said, man, you the
hell of a player, bro. And I made the statement
(08:49):
of you not you don't stay healthy, which prior to
this year he hadn't. Right. Yeah, that's what my Dada
information told me. But what he's done in Philly. How
you know, he's always been dynamic football player, correct when
he's on the field. And so I got the opportunity
just to share with him. I said, Man, I was wrong,
(09:12):
and you proved me wrong. I said, man, a way,
sometimes you run your routes and the way they used
your office. Man, sometimes you can you run better than
some of these receivers out here, right, which is not
you know, obviously not the tier ones, and you know,
the number one wide receivers with eighteen apuy or you know,
but a number three, number four wide receiver who they're
(09:33):
given it to the dre swill. He looked and he
was like wow. I said, man, I just want to
make sure you heard it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
From Yeah, he received it.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
He received it. And I mean Orlando Brown when he
was coming out out of Oklahoma. He had a horrible,
horrible horror probably one.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Of the worst of all time combines.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yes, and I was there, you were I experienced it, right,
And I was a Jeff Sader, not Jeff Saturday, he's ESPN.
I was with on Chan hair, yeah, and China hair
and Charles Davis. Yeah, we're on set.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I was like, wow, he was supposed to be one
of the tops.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, and was horrific. Right, So talk to him in Baltimore.
I think it rookie year year because I was there
for Thursday night. Said something to him and man, he
was like, why'd you do that? Because I'm so I
am critical? Yeah, because this is also a critical This
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is a business where critique and been critical. It's a
difference between you lasting and not lasting. And so you know,
so for me, I've always kind of sat in that
that place. I'm not the tallest. People say I have
a chip on my shoulder. You don't have a chip
on my shoulder. I really don't. Here's why when I
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say I don't have a chip on my shoulder, Okay,
I have been playing football long enough, and my stature
where I've heard people talk about my game or my
stature as if I wasn't in the room, And so
it's not a chip. I actually remember what they said.
(11:23):
So it's not I have a triple on my shoulder.
Want to prove them wrong. It's actually I heard you
say a player like you will never get beyond high school,
or a player like you will never last because you're
a hot head, or you're this or you're that. So
for me, I'm just I am just repeating things that
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some of these people told me. When I was a kid,
I was doing I wasn't doing greade in school and
a family member my mom was scolding me and was
telling me, hey, you need to shape up. Remember what
you want to do. And someone told the family member
there and I don't want to say who it was
because I don't want to do that to them. And
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I was in there.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I was in the tenth grade or eleventh grade, and
I was messing up. My mom was trying to get
me back on pace. Yeah, and at the time we
were out of the house because not my dad, but
her husband at the time was abusing our So we
were flaying the domestic violence situation. Yeah, And so my
attention and focus was lax. And the individual said, after
(12:39):
they heard what my mom would say, interrupted say, you
need to have a more realistic go. I was in
the eleventh grade and their family member interrupted and said, you
need to have a more realistic go. That's that with you, Uh,
that's sad with me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Clearly you remember it.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
It didn't sit with me, and like, oh, I'm a
prove you wrong. And it was the most defeating thing
that I heard from a family mamber that you can hear, Yeah,
because that family member was like everybody else who was
not encouraging me. And you're supposed to be a courage
at least by family, right. Yeah. Like I'm not talking
(13:16):
about the outside of people, but the people who's most
who you know, help raise you, who could whoop your butt. Yeah,
and so it just those are the things that I experienced.
On top of the reason where we were at that
time was based on the situation with the domestic virus.
And so now I'm already kicked. Now you come off
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the top rope, bow right in the ribs, and so
like I experienced so much of that so early on
as a young man, I struggled to handle at aboys
for a very long time. Yeah, Like I would not
sit still for you to give me an addibley. I
(14:00):
never received it because I was always waiting for the
But so for me, that's why, like I still struggle
ye with with with the with the accolades, I'm like, h.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
M hm, you know what, this is a great time
because my man Peanut right here.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
He told he so I was like you he he
had he's we had Brandon Marshall on. Well, first off,
let me just say thanks for sharing that was Yeah,
I didn't know that. I didn't either, So me, like
you not a similar situation, similar in the sense of
like accolades, Like I just didn't receive him.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I kind of downplay.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yes, So Brandon Marshall was on and me and Brandon
had beef when he was in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
That's that's shocking and surprising. So I'm taking back by that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Statement brand it came on the show, it was like
it was like it was just like all love. We've
grown now, you know what I'm saying. Somebody trying to
fight or that, you know it was it was all love.
And he was just like, man, I gotta say, like
you out of I went to Denver, I went to Miami,
went Jets, who was like, you were by far the
greatest received or dB that I want to get some practice,
(15:22):
like you got me better and you and I was
just like, damn, I had zero clue and looking at it,
looking at Rome and I was like, we had said
something earlier. And I looked at Rome and I looked
at Brandon was like, hey, man, I received that, and
then Rome was like, see, that's.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
What I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I've been telling you receiving it more so, I'm recently
like you just I'm starting to receive the compliments and
my blessings more so. I just say, hey, man, kudos
of you, and just open up that art and just
keep receiving them.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
That's dope, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Got to know the question though, so with you saying
all these things, do you feel like you I mean you,
you are Steve Smith senior. You were like one of
the greatest receivers in the era when we played right,
you got all the accolades, you got the Pro Bowls,
you got the Pro the All Pros. Do you feel
that you have a platform to say these things about
(16:14):
these players because you are a former player. You weren't
him at the time. You're not just Steve Smith, the
NFL network analyst who hasn't never played, who's just a
you know, a high school journalist or excuse me, a
college guy with a degree in journalism, like you're him.
You have all the accolades to go with your resume,
(16:35):
you know what I'm saying. So, in my opinion, I
feel like we former players like we can get down
and dirty and talk about a player and not disrespect
them when we speak, but we can kind of just
be honest about their style of play. Do you feel
like you earned that right?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's a fantastic question, because I don't believe I've shot
down and thought about have our own right. I don't
really operate in that earn the right kind of you know,
you know, I just kind of I let the film
(17:11):
tell me. So, you know, some people don't like what
I have to say about the film, and I've learned
too a lot there are more because of the way
the media is going and YouTube and all that stuff.
There's a lot of there's a lot of non players
who have who have an opinion and they feel that
(17:34):
they can articulate it better than the former player, that
it just maybe sounds better, no doubt, right, And so
I always find it. I say, look, a lot of
the non players got a lot of great things to say,
as if they know more than the players. But I
would say there are players that I've worked with in
(17:55):
the past, not on my current job, because you know,
I've played with players who other receivers who can't recoverage us.
I've played with quarterbacks who can't recoverage US, who have
never identified the mike linebacker in a pre snot. Yeah,
(18:19):
I've played with lineman who you know, can't read a
bull rush like I play with tight end. So there's
a lot of different things. So not every football player
or player has the ability to play. There's a lot
of things you and we all know. There's a lot
of players who who can be hid in systems. Yeah.
(18:41):
So for me, what I try to now where I
live and I'm comfortable is I just let the film
tell me. And if you don't like what I say
about the film, I'm not really sure what I can tell.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I've always respected us more though, because we played the
game and we know what that situation is like.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah versus. But I've learned too that there's some players
that you play with who cannot riff reading is fundamental,
who can't recoverage this, who don't know why. And I
think that's what separated. When I played at Utah man
we played a white Utah is not to Utah. Today
(19:22):
we played at Wyoming, we played air Force, we played
Colorado State, you know, and what I mean by these
these are teams who had one or two players, one
or two athletes and the rest word scheme and zone.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I remember playing air Force, who played air Force, and
they said, look, we're gonna have a few trick plays.
But understand when we have these trick plays, they air Force,
you only can trick them once.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, because they're all doing They're.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Going to stay in line. They're disciplined, they're disciplined, so
we got to do it perfect. If you go back
and look at an air Force game or Navy game,
there are very few penalties, some of them damn near zero. Yeah.
From that the servicemen's team right, right, So it's so
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that's so for me, I'm okay with you know, I
just watch enough film. I feel comfortable, I feel confident,
and I'm constantly watching film. But when I'm watching a film,
I'm looking at the small details. How a guy gets
off the line of scrimmage? What is his release, where's
his head? Where's his eyes? Is he catching the ball?
(20:33):
Looking over? There? Is his body catching? Right? I got
in trouble going on club because I said some guys
aren't pure hands catching, and then they got mad and
then to draw some passes with the ma hands have
I drapped passes, absolutely, but also because I draw passes,
know why sometimes guys draw passes right, And so that's
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what I try to go through, That's what I try
to focus on.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
So so, first of all, I love your honesty. You
know that about me and you relationship. And I want
to know this though, because I hear this on the
radio a lot, especially in Charlotte, is that you not
being in the hall of fame? Short sighted people in
Carolina are mad. They don't do all that. You got
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the accolades, you got the numbers, but they let other
people in front of you.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Is that another part of your story? Well, how do
you take it personally? Knowing who you are?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And I know because you don't discuss it, So how
does that go about in the household and stive Smith
inside of him?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't discuss it because it is kind of nothing
to discuss because you don't question God's tom true. A
couple of years ago, if I would have win it
in its hall of fame, I probably wouldn't look at
it for what it is. Out about time and you
(22:01):
know you act the way you see That's why they
can't get him nothing because they don't know how to act,
you know. For me now like as it as it goes,
all right, when it happens, it happens. But I'm also
happy for the guys and a group of guys that
I'm I get to be semi finals. The biggest thing
(22:27):
that for me that I kind of like, wow, I
can't even make a finalist in regards to the voting
is some of the players who are in there, we're
all kind of the same, so you know, let us
all be disappointed together. Yeah, and I haven't got that.
But other than that, that's it. I don't believe that
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this guy is in and he's a turnball and I'm
the best. I don't believe that toy hold. I believe
that he deserves to be in. Yep. This is also
a guy that I respect and like, admire and watched
and consider a big brother.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So my rookie year, I think it was like one
of the last games of the season. This was Moss
was in his prime on the ten yard line, goal
line whatever, and Dante cole Pepper throws it up Me
and Moss and the end zone similar you and I
that that playoff game, I come down with it, right.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
So that was that was kind of like, it's not
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I'm just it was. It was the same. It was
the same, it was the same thing. It's Chris.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It's all Chris Harris. It's all Chris Harris.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Chris Harris.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
If you're watching this, screw you, dude.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Man. I love Chris Harris. Bro he was so smart,
slow as heines ketchup. But bro, he gets always he just.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Hit the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He just hit the wrong person.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Question.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I guess I'm out of question from now because
I really needed that pick on that particular play. But
that was like a play that kind of made me
my rookie, right, Yeah, so that kind of is that's
the play that put me on the map. With with
all the plays, with all your catches, with all your touchdowns, receptions,
everything you've done, the yack after the catch, what's the
play for you that makes you Steve Smith.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
It's a fantastic question for me. It has to be. Uh,
it's the stiff arm. It's the yak.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Is there a specific stiff arm or specific play you
got the yack on or what?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
It's just the stiff arm because it was my you know,
I'm five none, Yeah, and I was always about right,
you know. Me and Roman had some great battles, but
it was always any even other guys, it was always
I always had to remind people, you know, I can
hit you too, and I think a lot of definders
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forgot that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And so for me it was a stiff arm because
I'm a received on post catch ball. But a lot
of times when I caught the ball, it was I
was squaring up to be able to see where I'm going.
Thank you that step on. Yeah, And so that's that's
the part that now really I just enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
All right, Well, since you brought it up, let's go
to it. So two thousand and ten or eleven, Yeah,
I got a flag, I hit you a little late.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, in the end zone, you score a touchdown, Number one.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Hilarious play.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah. Well, first of all, Jabari.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Greer, she made a fantastic catch.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Stiff armed him in the air.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Coming caught it, got him off you. Yeah, I was
coming Greg all across the field. I run across you know.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Number one.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
What was your first reaction when I hit you? Because
you crossed the goal line?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Like, well, you remember me and Sean used to go
at it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Seal to anybody. Thing was don't talk to Steve Smith.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
And Sean get at the time. Sean would talk to me, yeah,
and I was like, and like I would. We literally
would be yelling at each other. He'd be like, we're
gonna do you like shout this dude is terrible today
and he f you, Steve f you back right. And
(26:29):
so when I did, I was like, this is a trap.
They're trying to get me kicked out of the game
for a penalty, so I'm not going to fall forward.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
You didn't.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I was totally surprised. Yes, I hit you, and I
stood there because I'm like, he's gonna fight.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Me, and I was saying to myself, and you did.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You just looked at me. We made that contact.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Then when everybody came and they started fighting, I said, oh,
hell but and so what I thought I think I
said on my podcast, but I thought he well, I
thought he hit me late was because around that time
it was right around Halloween. Yes, and he took his
helmet off and I asked him. I was like, bro,
(27:17):
you still have gray hair? How And he gave me
a look and Villmo was like, that's his hair. But
I never knew that I say, I thought it was
like a leftover from a Halloween costume. Now some people say,
what Halloween costume? Bro, Halloween costumes. You never know, he
(27:37):
could have been a black Adams family member. I don't know.
I'm just going with I was like Halloween bah, but
because I usue a Halloween party and that's what I
thought that. So no, no, this this one was in October.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was funny because he said something to Villma and
thought it was funny himself, and then I hit him
like to places later. Yeah, and he thought it was
because of that. And I had no idea until we
discussed this and me and Hi would become friends and
we had talked. We'd actually never talked about this player
whatever happened before until I came to your podcast to
(28:13):
cut to a podcast. You guys should check it out.
It's pretty good on YouTube, talk about all kinds of things,
including draft updates going on. He really does a really
great job with that. So it was it was funny
for me. I was just like, I just ran too far,
and I was just like kid, I didn't run over
here for nothing, So I just hit him.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
He should be he should do stuff he like he
didn't want you to shell it. Brain.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I never let anybody say he would do it, and
I was like he saw he was like because like
I hate when receivers getting like a five yard game
then get up in like first down, and I would like,
but here's a problem.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I would go out of my way to not let him.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
But here's a problem. It wasn't like five yard games.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It was like.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Run run, third down. Who they throwing it two? Yeah, okay,
thirty fifteen so it wasn't a five And I would
stand over him, hold him down. He would like hit
my hands, yeah, like or like you know, for me,
I was spinding and he like hit the ball or
try to hit the ball out of my hand before
I could spend.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He was.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It was The tactic was remarkable. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
One of my favorite celebrations you did. It might have
been when you played US is when you wipe the baby.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
No, that was against them.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That was against Yeah. To me, that's my all time
that's my all time favorites. Changes that like, that was
that's one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But with you guys, you remember you don't have to
talk about us.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No Chicago yeah, that's what I'm saying. I do about
Chicago actually, because the first game I had put up
like one hundred and fifty hundred and seventy yards and
y'all y'all talked about was Alex Brown, Lance Bridge all
y'all talked about. Y'all kept me out of the end zone,
and y'all had vashers. Yeah, y'all had Nate Vashon, y'all
in zone coverage. That's all y'all talked about. And then
(30:02):
you know, we got into town and so for the
next game.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
It was like, yeah, this is you' talk about the
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
The playoff game. It's like, how you gonna celebrate a
five nine receiver getting you know, thirty yards away from
two hundred. Yeah, like that's not a good accomplishment. And
so I went back and I just watched all the
films like, man, I'm gonna get these boys and so
on that play. We it wasn't a hand signal. We
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never changed the play.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So that was the bad insl Hey Zoom Zoom told
me he was like Peter, who did Jerry Zuma was
on the sideline, he was our nickel. So Jerry was like,
I hate they're doing whatever signal. He was like, Peter,
it's it's a it's a you call it smoke. He
was like, it's a smoke. Pass is a smoke. So
that's why I believed it.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Like the play, you were sitting I use caddywompus. You
were kind of sitting, yeah, stagnant. It was a hunt
Street circle, hitch under streak, right, bro, I just ran
to go. Jake didn't know. I just ran it. I
(31:11):
was like, no, I'm running this go. This ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Instead zoom. You can't wait to call him Jesus completely
just made it up.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
You just went yes. But chemistry is and Jake knew,
like when I was running, if I was gonna break down,
like you knew, Yeah, I had no intentions. I looked.
I was like, hey, receivers, while we trash talks, dude,
we get out a lot of times. Just sitting out
(31:43):
on the island, you think of a lot of great things.
And I was and I saw I'm lined up and
I'm lined up and I'm looking he's going through his cadence.
He ain't moving. No, I was bleaching.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I was like, I'm just and I knew I messed
up because as I sick my first two steps.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Here's the thing, I pushed them when I want when
I went back the pastor, I pushed him so to
make sure to get a little bit if you get
the jump, that if the ball is late. So when
I ran past it, I literally just pushed him.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I was like, no, I turned around as quick as
I could, grab med Zoom the whole time I'm tasting you.
I'm mad at Zoom'm like he'd want to start mother.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Why did I? Oh, please Mike Brown, please title?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh god, dang it, Mike bro Oh oh this is bad.
Oh god, this is bad. He's celebrating. Oh they're playing
the music. Oh god, yep, this is bad. That's me,
son of a biscuit.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah. I think it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Number One that you brought up the fact of something
I never thought about is as a receiver, how much
free time you guys got out there when you're not
getting the ball, The things that come across your mind.
What's probably the craziest thing or the most I mean
non football thing you thought about.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
For me is a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I will tell you what taking the Super Bowl thirty eight,
what was the most you thought about in that Super
Bowl thirty eight game, if there was something that you
could have done to change the outcome of that game,
what would have been?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Man, it was that game happened so fast, right, I
don't even I could tell you. I don't remember that, Okay,
it was it happened so fast things were happening about.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
A regular game.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I want to know.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I've never thought about that, and that's never crossed my mind.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Nobody regular games. I would. I'm such a thinker like
I would, Man, what I gotta do this week? You know,
sometimes we weren't very good. Well, my off season gonna
be like I did a few internships, so, you know,
trying to do that stocks I was. I'm in the
stocks stocks. I love cooking, so thinking about cooking or like, yeah,
(34:01):
where we're going to eat? Uh. One of the things too,
that I would think about a lot, which led me
to hire a sports psychologist before it was the end.
Thing is uh. There were a few times when I
played I asked myself and told myself for like, I
(34:21):
had an internal conversation. I don't know if I can
keep this up. I'm not sure if I can keep
up this pace of playing this way, right, so there's
a few times where I had a lot of negative
thoughts about myself while playing.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
While playing, I think that's normal, though.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I don't think that's normal at all, Thank you. I
don't think that's normal. I think it's normal that that
you go back and forth with it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
And I'm talking about I don't even really thought I
was gonna make it, uh like six or seven years
in the league, Like I did not believe I was.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I was gonna last up what thirteen, sixteen, sixteen, Come on, man, seasons.
I'm sorry that was that was.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I'm captain. I like to call myself Captain Petty. So
we played in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
This was amazing.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, we played.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
He didn't talk to anybody before the game except me.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I didn't talk at all.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Did players come up to you?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
What wasn't talk to Nobody was talking anybody? He was
so he was like mister angry. I was there. He
came up and talked to me.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I thought it was like, oh well, and everybody looked
at me like, oh, why is he talking to you?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
I'm like, I thought some stuff and some stuff, yes,
how would how it happened? It was so much. I
was like, and uh, I'm not gonna say who on
the team. But someone told me, like they had the
team meeting, and Ron Rivera was like, you know, Steve,
you know how he's gonna be, and so let's just
(35:57):
be prepared, you know. And it's kind you know how
it is when you're on the team, you're liked by
the coach, and then when you're off the team all
the things, how they truly feel about you. And so
I was like, okay, And so I just had in
my mind, I'm not gonna say nothing, because I normally
(36:17):
if I say I'm not gonna say a thing, that
means at some point I would say something. Bro, I
just say nothing. Like I walked out of there. I
was like, no, I'm I'm not gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
He had nothing to say to that.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Nobody like and.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
What was the performance?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
What was the outcome?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Well, on the first play, which I love Baltimore at
that hardball is all about team and players, and and
he was like, man, we're gonna feed you. I was like, cool. Bet.
So we ran a traditional Kyle Shanahan slash Gary Kobiak
offense play action with the drag and so I had
(36:54):
to drag route flat and Roamas right there and I
was running and I caught the ball rumors right there.
But what I did is I slowed down and looked
at him and stiff arm he did. I like, I
wanted to Steve arm Roman and so I called it
(37:15):
pow and then took off and I was like, all right,
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He ate that day though, and he ain't on everybody
else but me besides that play. And so I'm so
happy for him, especially seeing what Steve has done. And
I like to give you a flowers now, and this
this opportunity to talk about what I think that you
do the best, which is serve your community Charlotte with
your foundation, because you maybe tell us about that how
long it's been going on and how much you have
(37:45):
really changed and done. You got your own office space,
like it's huge in the city of Charlotte. For everything
that you've been able to do and accomplish with your foundation.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Thank you. It's the Steve Smith Family Foundation. We just
hit our eleventh year last year and rebranding ourselves just
because I started a foundation. I just remember based on
our when we first started the foundation, it was really
about serving the community in areas that I know which
(38:15):
is underserved. And so what we did and how it started.
We were giving kids opportunity to go to camps, and
we were doing our partnered with Samaritan Feet Mann your
homemade washing feet. So did a lot of different things,
and then we started really hone in and focus on
(38:37):
some things in the pandemic. I caught when that they
were given all these underprivileged public school kids laptops and
saying you're good, they had nowhere for them to go.
And so we took it upon our shelves the foundation.
We said, hey, less kind of like cultivate academy. And
(39:04):
so what we did is we found a office space
where they can also social distance, and we took I
think we took about one hundred one hundred and something
students that are public school because a lot of the kids,
but the kids that we target and focused on were
(39:25):
kids who were considered homelessness homelessness and Charlotte and the
criteria would be living in a hotel, shelter, living with
a family member, or out of a car. And so
in the shelters in COVID, a lot of times those
kids slept in a shelter, but they went to school.
(39:45):
Most shelters don't allow children to be in a shelter,
so it was a unique situation for everyone. Obviously, COVID
was for everything, and so we took homeless kids who
couldn't be in shelters, and then we partnered up and
I kind of called them out, was CMS in Charlotte,
(40:08):
and so they bust these kids. And our building that
we were running out was also a drop center where
they can give these kids their lunches and breakfast. So
they got breakfast, lunch. And then I partnered with some
local organizations, some local companies, some local restaurants, and we
(40:28):
would do Freedom Friday, and Freedom Friday was a local
business come in and feed these kids, yeah, a meal
or restaurants and man, it was dope. And we did
that for those seventeen eighteen months. And then I hired
and I figured out the teachers assistants didn't have jobs.
So I figured out how much the teacher assistants were
(40:50):
getting paid. I said, all right, whatever the teacher assistance
I know, but I'm not going to say the number.
Whatever they were getting paid, I was like, all right,
throw five hours on there and see if they'll come
work for us. So they took it, jumped on it
because it was dire straits. Yeah, and so I was like,
all right, so this is what they're making, Let's make
(41:10):
it worth their while. Let's actually when they worked for me.
Let's upgrade them. And so that's what we did. And
then we started to realize the social emotional part of it.
And then our medical clinic that we already had operating
and running that was a free clinic. We started to
see the medical part was just okay. We had at
(41:34):
the time six thousand patients and seventy five percent of
our patients we're seeking mental health. I think in the
first six months we had nineteen hundred clinical hours just
dedicated to mental health. And so we started to realize
that focus on mental health. Yeah, and so we started
doing mental health, start talking to the county and they said, hey, man,
(41:58):
can you take what you guys doing and mental health?
Can you do it and make it its own? So
I met with a counselman, Anthony Troutman, and my good
buddy who at the time Rocky, and we started sitting
down and we had a meeting and they said, hey,
what does your clinic do? I said, all right, our
(42:19):
clinic does this. He said, well, can you do a
mental health I said sure. So we did that. But
I was like, hold on, this got to be a
standalone and so random numbers. And because I'm heavily involved
random numbers, I said, all right, for us to do
it this, how much is gonna cost? Stand alone? He
said all right? And so in the draft in Cleveland
(42:43):
when I was working there, my team set up a
meeting and Cleveland has that mental health facility. So I
went there and visited them and try to figure out
how to do it. And it's a psychiatric ward. So
we did it and built it, and we opened up
the Steve Smith Family Foundation b HUCK operated by Daymark
(43:06):
interviewed about five or six medical providers. Yeah, and open
up a b huck. And the b huck is behavioral
health urgent care twenty four hours, three hundred and sixty
five days, and you come in, if you get assessment,
come in, and something happens going there. And so that's
what we did. And so we have a we have
(43:28):
a clinic that operates, and then we have a mental
health facility. And primarily a lot of the people are unasured.
And so now we're in talks of doing some other
stuff as well, but we serve in a mental health capacity.
We serve as young as four, as old as seventy five.
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And so since we've been open since last March, we've
avoided almost a thousand er emergency. So that's what we do.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I love that. That's why I wanted you to talk
about that. I knew that. I didn't know. I had
no clue.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I know how involved he's been in how much is
his foundation has made an impact in that community, and
all the things you're doing.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
So yeah, really good.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
I want to make sure I appreciate that we got
a brick and mortar. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
And the cool part about it is all of our
programs we do, we have the three p's and so
it's it's part you're either part of the program, your partner,
or you're a person. We're going to highlight and all
of our all of our places that we operate out of,
(44:41):
the Foundation owns it. I don't believe in these people
are giving their money. I don't believe in renting waste
the money. So our be up our facility. We own
a brick and mortar. It's about twelve thousand s gread feet.
We own that, our medical clinic, we own that out
right as well, looking and expanding that as well the
(45:03):
next couple of years and doing that. But I believe
in ownership.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I think that's dope. That's stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
H So I got I gotta. I got a Baltimore
question for you real quick. So you're you know, one
of your last years in Baltimore, you tore your achilles
double rupture, double rupture?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
How you do how you do that?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Tore it off the heel and in the middle.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
So double rupture to your achilles. Why was it important
for you to come back.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
One more season? It actually wasn't.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Okay talk about that?
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Tell me I was set to retire. What was crazy
is that throughout that year, started in May, I was
getting this like burning sensation back of my heel. They're like, oh,
it's just arthritis. And found out I actually slightly tore
it then. And so when I tore it, doctor and
repaired it, and he was like, hey man, this thing
(46:11):
is funky in there. And after he did search it,
I said, what do you mean? He said it was
upside down and it had fresh car tissue. So I
tore it off the bone. Here and then in the middle,
so he had to They had to cut it open,
take my Achilles tenant and drill it with a nail
back into my heel and then sew it up. And
(46:34):
so I was like, oh, okay, that's different. And my
agent took my right up when I was coming out
of college, Steve Smith, number seven from Utah, and he
mailed it to me and said, you don't have to
(46:56):
come back, but if you are, you remember you're not
supposed to be here this long. And he mailed it
to me and I read everything, all the lines and
a write up from the draft. It's a collaboration or
a culmination of all the scouts and teams, and they
just put on there like, you know, inconsistent. I remember
(47:19):
reading on there it said I had a fourth year
but not a third year.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (47:25):
I don't thank you? So doesn't run the same route twice,
small frame, injury prone and in college I broke my neck.
I did see four busht fracture. So just all of
that stuff, and so I was like wow, And so man,
he knew me. I had the same agent my whole time,
so he knew me. He knew what I needed. Yeah,
(47:45):
and so when he sent that got the work. That's
what's up. That's what's up.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So amazing career.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I think you got an amazing life. You got a
great story.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Thank you. Clearly you didn't do it all yourself. You've
had people help you, multiple millions millions. You've definitely had
some people help you along the way. If you could
only pick four on your mount rushmore of greatness of
people that you look up to mentors, who would those
people be?
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Well, it has to be my wife with their patients.
I could be a handful. When I played, I was
it was around the house. The family walked in a
lot of eggs shells because of my emotional immaturity, my
ability to really know and understand why I'm feeling the
way I was feeling or how so they my family
(48:40):
really struggled But why is that always man? What's wrong
with dad? And so they struggle with that. And so
now today for me, I got four kids twenty six,
twenty two, eighteen and nine. My nine year old says
things to me that my twenty six year old was like,
were wow, lost all our fronts talking to you that way?
(49:03):
So I would say, my wife and my kids, right
on there because they knew me. Yeah, you know there
around me. Uh man. I remember my wife when I
broke my neck in college and we were just engaged. Man.
There were times where I couldn't even I couldn't reach,
(49:24):
and she helped me. I couldn't wash my back right,
and I was and this was I wasn't in the league,
and it wasn't looking like I was going to the
league either, because I was in the harness. In that harness.
So my wife and my kids. Another guy is Fred Rays.
(49:47):
He's my wife receivers coaching college. He recruited me to
University of Utah. He's a father figure to me to
this day. We still talk. So he's there. Mhmm. You
got too, I know because if you you know how
it is in the black community, if you leave one out,
(50:08):
the wrong one could be calling me right now, man,
mm hmm. My grandmother, yeah, both my grandmothers and Betty,
but my Betty Smith, my dad's mom. She taught me
how to cook, She taught me how to feed myself.
(50:36):
And I would say, my mom, we haven't always had
a great relationship. My mom was not very loving. I
know my mom loves me. We talk, but My mom
was very physical with me when she didn't like the
(50:57):
way I operated or you know, I done things. She
had me. She had me washing dishes when I was
like in the first grade, standing on the stool because
I didn't have to height. I knew how to wash
clothes my age of twelve years old. She just taught
me a lot of things how to take care of myself.
(51:20):
I disagreed on how her method, on how she approached things,
because that approach really tainted my vision on how to
parent and be loving. But so I would say that
that would be that would be my fall because they all,
they all gave me something that either to think about,
(51:43):
to meditate or pray on, and left with me cut
and back.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, I think your openness, your honesty has been really
really impressive. And not only that, but these are lasting
impressions on your life. I mean the fact that you
can remember, like, no, in first grade, I was washing
dishes standing on the stool.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Like that's a very vivid memory. Yeah, it's a very
vivid memory for you.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
And so with all that being said and understanding like
your openness, I'd like for you to give us a
little bit of advice for the people that watch and listen,
and you know this thing is called Second Acts podcast
for the reason, and so could you give us a little.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Bit of advice of how to.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Handle the transition from no longer playing football to getting
to that second act? I think so many of us,
all of us, we all struggle for different ways whenever
we put.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Down the ball.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
That's even from high school, going to college, college, going
to the league, whatever that is. Talk to us about
that transition, how you handled it, your struggles, and any
advice you would give for all of us that are
listening and watching, because truly that's the piece, that's the
secret ingredient that we're all looking for.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Still working it out. I agree with you, Yeah, still
working it out. I think the biggest advice and the
most important thing I would give you for me has
been grieving, learning how to grieve, because I don't think
people really understand the impact of grieving, right. I didn't
(53:26):
realize when I left Baltimore, packing up my apartment, closing
the door and driving home that when I left and
closed that door and dropped off my key, that I
you know I was gonna be okay with never ever
playing football again. I'm not playing and then when COVID happened.
(53:47):
After COVID, we downsized from a home that we had
lived in for ten years, and I had to pack
up again. But I wasn't packing up our home. I
was packing up all my crap that I was holding
onto that was my old career. In the new house,
(54:11):
it had no space. Seeing in the ten yearhouse I had.
I had a whole area about me, mannequin with my
jerseys on them, the Panther pro bowl. I had my cleats.
I still had my shoulder pads that I wore my
whole career. I have all of that stuff. Had my son's,
(54:35):
my oldest sons. He played soccer at DePaul uh, so
he had his stuff. I just had all this stuff
and I had to pack it up put in a
box because there was no room for it in the
new house. And bro I was packing it up and
I started crying because I didn't realize I never really
(54:56):
handled it right. I just left. Then I went into
TV because they offered me, but I never really sat
down and thought about, like, how is this going to
impact you? And you know people and people say, oh,
I know, you miss it. I don't. When I first
(55:17):
started doing TV and they run out of tunnel, Like
my skin started crawling. But after now when they do it,
I'm like, oh man, that's cool. Now I watch it
and I go, I wonder what they're gonna do coming
out of tunnel. Now, I'm just I just am interested
to see how they do it. Like those individual people.
(55:38):
When I first stopped, I missed it. Yeah, So grieving
well and going through each step and understanding all those
steps and knowing that it's going to be ugly. You're
gonna have to now, you're gonna have anger, you're gonna
(56:00):
have hopelessness, you're gonna have bargaining. Then you come to
that resolution and then you finally are okay. But man,
you gotta do a lot of work in there, and
and then that bargaining hopelessness. Man, that's a dangerous place.
That's where drug addiction comes in. That's what suicidal thoughts
(56:22):
come in. And if you don't if you're not prepared
and ready for it and have a plan. And I
didn't have a plan. I just said, man, I'm just
feeling funky. I need some I need some help because
it's not I'm gonna snap. It was why Like it's
just like waking up just disappointed. Yeah, I don't have
(56:48):
nothing to be disappointed about. I really didn't. I really don't.
But struggling to find the joy and happiness and things.
You know, as a football player, we are so used
to looking for the next next play, next play. The
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NFL for me was what I did not realize. Grew
up in Los Angeles, California, And anybody knows anything about
Los Angeles or you hear about it, PCH is a
beautiful highway. Yeah, man, NFL was PCH highway. And you
know what, I rarely pulled over and took the sunset there.
I rarely pulled over and smelled the flowers. I was
(57:35):
too busy just trying to get there and on one
take of gas and realizing it's impossible. So that's what
I was saying. Man, Fuck, you know, process, whatever you're
going through, there are more years, right because I really
struggled with you know how I grew up. I've lived
(57:58):
more years out of pop really then I have. That
I was in poverty, but that taker's mentality is still
in me, right, that get it or I wish you would,
it is still in me. So I gotta work. I
gotta work on that it said every day, man I
was I was finding here from Orlando because I was
(58:19):
doing did a little side gig out there, and man,
I was on the I was on there, I was
on the on the plane. Man I was reading my
scriptures and and just journaling. And every day before a
journal I put the date, all right, how am I
feeling today? Yeah, it's been refreshing because you don't and
(58:43):
you don't really realize how you're feeling, and then you
start writing like damn quicker playing very true. Right. So
that so that's for me, that's that's because if you
are happy and content or at least optimistic gratefulness, it
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oozes out of you, just like anger oozes out of you.
Got to get those toxins. And then when you crying,
what you're doing is you're getting When you cry, sometimes
you're getting those toxins out of you. So so for me, man,
that's what I would That's that's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Beautiful, I love it, I do I do well. We sinning, man,
I thank you for that. Man, I give us something good.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
But I want to know that because I think that's
the biggest thing that we've learned doing this podcast. Is
that we all struggle with it. We a lot of
times we don't even know how to handle it. We
don't know where it's coming from, we don't know what
it is. But this transition is real, and it's real
for everybody, and we all got and there's no playbook
to it. There's no right way to do it. It
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comes with no directions, and it all hits us at
some point.
Speaker 4 (59:53):
Everyone's transition is different.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yes, it's all customized, customized to you the player and
a car. Yeah, all the way worse and how you
deal with it. So, hey, man, appreciate you being vulnerable
sharing all that was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
That was deep.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Thanks for sharing it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I feel like I know you even more now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Appreciate you shot. That was one of the things I
tried to do when I played this. I kept that
hard steriorshell. I didn't want people to know me. Yeah,
and I think it benefited me because now over here
when people they're like, oh, he actually he's not dumb, right,
he's not. He's he doesn't walk around mad at the
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letters because it's.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Wilton, which I think he's still made. But really, I
love you that, I love you, so it's all good. Man, Hey, look,
I guess we'll get you up out of here. All
of our listeners, our viewers, thank you so much man
for always tuning in as always tell a friend to
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Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
My man Steve Smith right here, so appreciate it. Steve
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Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm Peanuts Homing and this is the NFL Player's second
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got some tissues. He might be crying later on laugh cry,
He's smiling. He always is crying. So I'm just warning y'all.
Right now, if y'all see a tear drop out his eye,
it ain't because he a gangster.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is not because I'm actually that's totally true. But anyways,
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still there, give us a like and follow now, Peanut,
I gotta be honest. Yeah, I'm really excited about our
next guest. He's become a really good friend of mine. Really,
I actually called it somewhat of a mentor because of
(00:55):
where he lives where I live. He's a great person,
even better football player. And uh he's got great he's
he's in a great place now.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I feel like in his life.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Okay, okay, yeah, So let me let me read. Let
me read the bio real quick for your third third
round pick. I hate the third round pick. Two thousand
and one draft out of Utah. Uh dominant receiver when
he played in his era for sure Hall of Fame semifinalists,
now an analysts for NFL Media and the host of
(01:27):
cut to It podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Yeah, cut to it, cut to it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Cut to it. Yeah, I can't say cut to it,
just cut to Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Cut to it. You said it like you were reading it.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I had to.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
As an FBI agent, you should be able to.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I just, I just I'm slow.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Public school, baby, public school, public school.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
You had the better public school ladies, and Jim and
he already talked to Steve Smiths.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
There you go, thank you. So I'm gonna get right
to it.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Was so before the show we was talking. We played,
y'all two thousand and five.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, so you must have been sending seeing a few
of my clubs.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Let me let me get to it, let me get highlight.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, it's so so. There was a play I think
maybe first second play the game.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It was the first first play of the game.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
It was a TfL I got it.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Got him.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, no, no, no, no, but.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
I got it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Let me kill you got your podcasts and you do
your thing. This is not Let me do my thing
real quick.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
So first play the game. I got the tf L.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yes, I mean you you have a chance for REBUTTAL
got the TfL. Was it was like a tackle for
loss or maybe a one yard game whatever. It was
like you correct the now pass we call so smoke.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
This.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I don't know if it was that same series. It
might have been the second series. So someone told me
it was like he it was a signal or whatever.
So I go, I try to make to play. You
run right by me, You run by Mike Brown, j
ju exkus hurt touchdown. So the next series, I'm mad
because I listened to somebody else. I didn't trust my instincts.
(03:11):
So me and you were battling down the field. Jake
Delone throves it up.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Me and you.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
We both go up. Two gladiators, two fierce competitors.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
We both go up.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I have the ball in my hands. Chris Harris. Chris
Harris came out of nowhere, hits me.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
He comes down with the ball.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I am so mad at Chris Harris. Serious, I'm Chris,
like I'm talking I'm talking to Chris Harris, like cash
to Chris Harris. And then I think later that night
he was like.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Now I'm telling you all right now.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
He came down with it, but I came up with it,
and I was like immediately, not really mad at you, yeah,
more mad at Chris Harris because he was just so
out of control hit me with the friendly five.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
Oh my god. If you go back to the replay, okay,
you did have it when you were coming down. I
was able to get a little bit, but it was
it was good. It was one of the interesting things.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Though, is I feel like you set me up.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
No, I'm not one of the interesting things until I've
really started paying attention because I really don't watch my stuff. Yeh.
And because of some things that have happened, I've started
to go back and go, you know what, actually, let
me go evaluate myself, let me go see some of
my plays, and so some of these plays are coming up,
(04:51):
and so it's actually kind of it's been not like funny,
like a look at me, but it was like, oh man,
I forgot that happened.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah yeah, oh I.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Didn't even remember this or you know, so it was
brought up, but it was more brought up on accident,
less about who look at me, flaxing and all that stuff.
And and like you said, I get a bad rap
a little bit of, you know, because I am a
pretty active conversator.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No, I got just the fierce competitor.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
The thing about Smitty that I love is that, you know,
living in Charlotte, I get to hear this guy on
the radio a lot. I think he's an amazing interviewer,
and I don't think he gets enough credit for that.
I think he's conscious with his words. You don't say
much that you don't mean that I think of trying to. Yeah,
I don't think you do. And so I think that's
where it all comes from. So I think now that
(05:46):
we get to see you outside of the mask, it's
been really cool to see you, get to know you
a little bit more and just maybe talk about your
own journey from when you first came in because you
said you don't like your resume.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So why is that?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And then maybe talking about your journey through that whole thing,
because you've been through a lot, from you know, injuries
in college, having your wife be there for you, the
whole support system, and now getting to it you now
outside of football, continue on your journey.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
I mean it's been a lot in regardss of treasure,
just trying to figure out where to go, how to go,
how does things look? You know, the media space right
now is so former player current player driven in every sport,
right from football, basketball down the golf, and I think
(06:37):
it's remarkable and I think, you know, I think it's
where it is right now. It's kind of like n
I l it's kind of like the housing market a
couple of years ago, where it's doing so well, but
at some point or however it will reset, and how
in the way of resets, we're not really sure. And
(06:59):
so for me business wise, just looking through it, I
don't really feel comfortable and confident trying to keep up
with the bigger names, trying to keep up with some
of the conversation dialogue. For me, it's just more about
I'm very inquisitive about people, and then I'm also inquisitive.
I watch a lot of film and just kind of
(07:20):
sitting that air that area of just kind of evaluating
players and seeing what I like dislike, and then just
kind of talking about it and letting that live right
there and you know, people know in the past, there's
been the current and players that have strongly disagreed with
my opinion or my perspective. And I don't have a
(07:43):
problem with I really don't have a problem with it.
I just I think how things go about it. I
ran into a guy today at the airport here in Vegas.
I was talking to DeAndre Swift when he was with
Detroit and when they traded when he was traded uh
(08:06):
and then Detrop and when the Eagles traded for inside
Rashad Penny and DeAndre Swift. I made a statement. I
was like, hey, based off these two guys injuries, they
really only got one player because these guys are constantly injured. Yep.
And I know he heard it, and so I saw
(08:28):
him and I said, hey, man, I made a statement
about this, and I just wanted to let you know.
I said, because I'm you know, I'm a face to
face guy. If I'm wrong, I like to talk to
the people to face. And I said, man, you the
hell of a player, bro. And I made the statement
(08:49):
of you not you don't stay healthy, which prior to
this year he hadn't. Right. Yeah, that's what my Dada
information told me. But what he's done in Philly. How
you know, he's always been dynamic football player, correct when
he's on the field. And so I got the opportunity
just to share with him. I said, Man, I was wrong,
(09:12):
and you proved me wrong. I said, man, a way,
sometimes you run your routes and the way they used
your office. Man, sometimes you can you run better than
some of these receivers out here, right, which is not
you know, obviously not the tier ones, and you know,
the number one wide receivers with eighteen apuy or you know,
but a number three, number four wide receiver who they're
(09:33):
given it to the dre swill. He looked and he
was like wow. I said, man, I just want to
make sure you heard it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
From Yeah, he received it.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
He received it. And I mean Orlando Brown when he
was coming out out of Oklahoma. He had a horrible,
horrible horror probably one.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Of the worst of all time combines.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yes, and I was there, you were I experienced it, right,
And I was a Jeff Sader, not Jeff Saturday, he's ESPN.
I was with on Chan hair, yeah, and China hair
and Charles Davis. Yeah, we're on set.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
I was like, wow, he was supposed to be one
of the tops.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, and was horrific. Right, So talk to him in Baltimore.
I think it rookie year year because I was there
for Thursday night. Said something to him and man, he
was like, why'd you do that? Because I'm so I
am critical? Yeah, because this is also a critical This
(10:38):
is a business where critique and been critical. It's a
difference between you lasting and not lasting. And so you know,
so for me, I've always kind of sat in that
that place. I'm not the tallest. People say I have
a chip on my shoulder. You don't have a chip
on my shoulder. I really don't. Here's why when I
(11:00):
say I don't have a chip on my shoulder, Okay,
I have been playing football long enough, and my stature
where I've heard people talk about my game or my
stature as if I wasn't in the room, And so
it's not a chip. I actually remember what they said.
(11:23):
So it's not I have a triple on my shoulder.
Want to prove them wrong. It's actually I heard you
say a player like you will never get beyond high school,
or a player like you will never last because you're
a hot head, or you're this or you're that. So
for me, I'm just I am just repeating things that
(11:49):
some of these people told me. When I was a kid,
I was doing I wasn't doing greade in school and
a family member my mom was scolding me and was
telling me, hey, you need to shape up. Remember what
you want to do. And someone told the family member
there and I don't want to say who it was
because I don't want to do that to them. And
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I was in there.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I was in the tenth grade or eleventh grade, and
I was messing up. My mom was trying to get
me back on pace. Yeah, and at the time we
were out of the house because not my dad, but
her husband at the time was abusing our So we
were flaying the domestic violence situation. Yeah, And so my
attention and focus was lax. And the individual said, after
(12:39):
they heard what my mom would say, interrupted say, you
need to have a more realistic go. I was in
the eleventh grade and their family member interrupted and said, you
need to have a more realistic go. That's that with you, Uh,
that's sad with me.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Clearly you remember it.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
It didn't sit with me, and like, oh, I'm a
prove you wrong. And it was the most defeating thing
that I heard from a family mamber that you can hear, Yeah,
because that family member was like everybody else who was
not encouraging me. And you're supposed to be a courage
at least by family, right. Yeah. Like I'm not talking
(13:16):
about the outside of people, but the people who's most
who you know, help raise you, who could whoop your butt. Yeah,
and so it just those are the things that I experienced.
On top of the reason where we were at that
time was based on the situation with the domestic virus.
And so now I'm already kicked. Now you come off
(13:36):
the top rope, bow right in the ribs, and so
like I experienced so much of that so early on
as a young man, I struggled to handle at aboys
for a very long time. Yeah, Like I would not
sit still for you to give me an addibley. I
(14:00):
never received it because I was always waiting for the
But so for me, that's why, like I still struggle
ye with with with the with the accolades, I'm like, h.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
M hm, you know what, this is a great time
because my man Peanut right here.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
He told he so I was like you he he
had he's we had Brandon Marshall on. Well, first off,
let me just say thanks for sharing that was Yeah,
I didn't know that. I didn't either, So me, like
you not a similar situation, similar in the sense of
like accolades, Like I just didn't receive him.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I kind of downplay.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yes, So Brandon Marshall was on and me and Brandon
had beef when he was in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
That's that's shocking and surprising. So I'm taking back by that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Statement brand it came on the show, it was like
it was like it was just like all love. We've
grown now, you know what I'm saying. Somebody trying to
fight or that, you know it was it was all love.
And he was just like, man, I gotta say, like
you out of I went to Denver, I went to Miami,
went Jets, who was like, you were by far the
greatest received or dB that I want to get some practice,
(15:22):
like you got me better and you and I was
just like, damn, I had zero clue and looking at it,
looking at Rome and I was like, we had said
something earlier. And I looked at Rome and I looked
at Brandon was like, hey, man, I received that, and
then Rome was like, see, that's.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
What I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I've been telling you receiving it more so, I'm recently
like you just I'm starting to receive the compliments and
my blessings more so. I just say, hey, man, kudos
of you, and just open up that art and just
keep receiving them.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
That's dope, that's dope.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Got to know the question though, so with you saying
all these things, do you feel like you I mean you,
you are Steve Smith senior. You were like one of
the greatest receivers in the era when we played right,
you got all the accolades, you got the Pro Bowls,
you got the Pro the All Pros. Do you feel
that you have a platform to say these things about
(16:14):
these players because you are a former player. You weren't
him at the time. You're not just Steve Smith, the
NFL network analyst who hasn't never played, who's just a
you know, a high school journalist or excuse me, a
college guy with a degree in journalism, like you're him.
You have all the accolades to go with your resume,
(16:35):
you know what I'm saying. So, in my opinion, I
feel like we former players like we can get down
and dirty and talk about a player and not disrespect
them when we speak, but we can kind of just
be honest about their style of play. Do you feel
like you earned that right?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's a fantastic question, because I don't believe I've shot
down and thought about have our own right. I don't
really operate in that earn the right kind of you know,
you know, I just kind of I let the film
(17:11):
tell me. So, you know, some people don't like what
I have to say about the film, and I've learned
too a lot there are more because of the way
the media is going and YouTube and all that stuff.
There's a lot of there's a lot of non players
who have who have an opinion and they feel that
(17:34):
they can articulate it better than the former player, that
it just maybe sounds better, no doubt, right, And so
I always find it. I say, look, a lot of
the non players got a lot of great things to say,
as if they know more than the players. But I
would say there are players that I've worked with in
(17:55):
the past, not on my current job, because you know,
I've played with players who other receivers who can't recoverage us.
I've played with quarterbacks who can't recoverage US, who have
never identified the mike linebacker in a pre snot. Yeah,
(18:19):
I've played with lineman who you know, can't read a
bull rush like I play with tight end. So there's
a lot of different things. So not every football player
or player has the ability to play. There's a lot
of things you and we all know. There's a lot
of players who who can be hid in systems. Yeah.
(18:41):
So for me, what I try to now where I
live and I'm comfortable is I just let the film
tell me. And if you don't like what I say
about the film, I'm not really sure what I can tell.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
I've always respected us more though, because we played the
game and we know what that situation is like.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah versus. But I've learned too that there's some players
that you play with who cannot riff reading is fundamental,
who can't recoverage this, who don't know why. And I
think that's what separated. When I played at Utah man
we played a white Utah is not to Utah. Today
(19:22):
we played at Wyoming, we played air Force, we played
Colorado State, you know, and what I mean by these
these are teams who had one or two players, one
or two athletes and the rest word scheme and zone.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I remember playing air Force, who played air Force, and
they said, look, we're gonna have a few trick plays.
But understand when we have these trick plays, they air Force,
you only can trick them once.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, because they're all doing They're.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Going to stay in line. They're disciplined, they're disciplined, so
we got to do it perfect. If you go back
and look at an air Force game or Navy game,
there are very few penalties, some of them damn near zero. Yeah.
From that the servicemen's team right, right, So it's so
(20:13):
that's so for me, I'm okay with you know, I
just watch enough film. I feel comfortable, I feel confident,
and I'm constantly watching film. But when I'm watching a film,
I'm looking at the small details. How a guy gets
off the line of scrimmage? What is his release, where's
his head? Where's his eyes? Is he catching the ball?
(20:33):
Looking over? There? Is his body catching? Right? I got
in trouble going on club because I said some guys
aren't pure hands catching, and then they got mad and
then to draw some passes with the ma hands have
I drapped passes, absolutely, but also because I draw passes,
know why sometimes guys draw passes right, And so that's
(20:56):
what I try to go through, That's what I try
to focus on.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
So so, first of all, I love your honesty. You
know that about me and you relationship. And I want
to know this though, because I hear this on the
radio a lot, especially in Charlotte, is that you not
being in the hall of fame? Short sighted people in
Carolina are mad. They don't do all that. You got
(21:20):
the accolades, you got the numbers, but they let other
people in front of you.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Is that another part of your story? Well, how do
you take it personally? Knowing who you are?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And I know because you don't discuss it, So how
does that go about in the household and stive Smith
inside of him?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I don't discuss it because it is kind of nothing
to discuss because you don't question God's tom true. A
couple of years ago, if I would have win it
in its hall of fame, I probably wouldn't look at
it for what it is. Out about time and you
(22:01):
know you act the way you see That's why they
can't get him nothing because they don't know how to act,
you know. For me now like as it as it goes,
all right, when it happens, it happens. But I'm also
happy for the guys and a group of guys that
I'm I get to be semi finals. The biggest thing
(22:27):
that for me that I kind of like, wow, I
can't even make a finalist in regards to the voting
is some of the players who are in there, we're
all kind of the same, so you know, let us
all be disappointed together. Yeah, and I haven't got that.
But other than that, that's it. I don't believe that
(22:49):
this guy is in and he's a turnball and I'm
the best. I don't believe that toy hold. I believe
that he deserves to be in. Yep. This is also
a guy that I respect and like, admire and watched
and consider a big brother.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
So my rookie year, I think it was like one
of the last games of the season. This was Moss
was in his prime on the ten yard line, goal
line whatever, and Dante cole Pepper throws it up Me
and Moss and the end zone similar you and I
that that playoff game, I come down with it, right.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
So that was that was kind of like, it's not
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
I'm just it was. It was the same. It was
the same, it was the same thing. It's Chris.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It's all Chris Harris. It's all Chris Harris.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Chris Harris.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
If you're watching this, screw you, dude.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Man. I love Chris Harris. Bro he was so smart,
slow as heines ketchup. But bro, he gets always he just.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Hit the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
He just hit the wrong person.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Question.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, I guess I'm out of question from now because
I really needed that pick on that particular play. But
that was like a play that kind of made me
my rookie, right, Yeah, so that kind of is that's
the play that put me on the map. With with
all the plays, with all your catches, with all your touchdowns, receptions,
everything you've done, the yack after the catch, what's the
play for you that makes you Steve Smith.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
It's a fantastic question for me. It has to be. Uh,
it's the stiff arm. It's the yak.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Is there a specific stiff arm or specific play you
got the yack on or what?
Speaker 4 (24:30):
It's just the stiff arm because it was my you know,
I'm five none, Yeah, and I was always about right,
you know. Me and Roman had some great battles, but
it was always any even other guys, it was always
I always had to remind people, you know, I can
hit you too, and I think a lot of definders
(24:52):
forgot that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
And so for me it was a stiff arm because
I'm a received on post catch ball. But a lot
of times when I caught the ball, it was I
was squaring up to be able to see where I'm going.
Thank you that step on. Yeah, And so that's that's
the part that now really I just enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
All right, Well, since you brought it up, let's go
to it. So two thousand and ten or eleven, Yeah,
I got a flag, I hit you a little late.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Yeah, in the end zone, you score a touchdown, Number one.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Hilarious play.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Yeah. Well, first of all, Jabari.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Greer, she made a fantastic catch.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Stiff armed him in the air.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Coming caught it, got him off you. Yeah, I was
coming Greg all across the field. I run across you know.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Number one.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
What was your first reaction when I hit you? Because
you crossed the goal line?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Like, well, you remember me and Sean used to go
at it.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Seal to anybody. Thing was don't talk to Steve Smith.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
And Sean get at the time. Sean would talk to me, yeah,
and I was like, and like I would. We literally
would be yelling at each other. He'd be like, we're
gonna do you like shout this dude is terrible today
and he f you, Steve f you back right. And
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so when I did, I was like, this is a trap.
They're trying to get me kicked out of the game
for a penalty, so I'm not going to fall forward.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
You didn't.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I was totally surprised. Yes, I hit you, and I
stood there because I'm like, he's gonna fight.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Me, and I was saying to myself, and you did.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
You just looked at me. We made that contact.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Then when everybody came and they started fighting, I said, oh,
hell but and so what I thought I think I
said on my podcast, but I thought he well, I
thought he hit me late was because around that time
it was right around Halloween. Yes, and he took his
helmet off and I asked him. I was like, bro,
(27:17):
you still have gray hair? How And he gave me
a look and Villmo was like, that's his hair. But
I never knew that I say, I thought it was
like a leftover from a Halloween costume. Now some people say,
what Halloween costume? Bro, Halloween costumes. You never know, he
(27:37):
could have been a black Adams family member. I don't know.
I'm just going with I was like Halloween bah, but
because I usue a Halloween party and that's what I
thought that. So no, no, this this one was in October.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
It was funny because he said something to Villma and
thought it was funny himself, and then I hit him
like to places later. Yeah, and he thought it was
because of that. And I had no idea until we
discussed this and me and Hi would become friends and
we had talked. We'd actually never talked about this player
whatever happened before until I came to your podcast to
(28:13):
cut to a podcast. You guys should check it out.
It's pretty good on YouTube, talk about all kinds of things,
including draft updates going on. He really does a really
great job with that. So it was it was funny
for me. I was just like, I just ran too far,
and I was just like kid, I didn't run over
here for nothing, So I just hit him.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
He should be he should do stuff he like he
didn't want you to shell it. Brain.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
I never let anybody say he would do it, and
I was like he saw he was like because like
I hate when receivers getting like a five yard game
then get up in like first down, and I would like,
but here's a problem.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I would go out of my way to not let him.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
But here's a problem. It wasn't like five yard games.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
It was like.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
Run run, third down. Who they throwing it two? Yeah, okay,
thirty fifteen so it wasn't a five And I would
stand over him, hold him down. He would like hit
my hands, yeah, like or like you know, for me,
I was spinding and he like hit the ball or
try to hit the ball out of my hand before
I could spend.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
He was.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
It was The tactic was remarkable. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
One of my favorite celebrations you did. It might have
been when you played US is when you wipe the baby.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
No, that was against them.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That was against Yeah. To me, that's my all time
that's my all time favorites. Changes that like, that was
that's one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
But with you guys, you remember you don't have to
talk about us.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's cool.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No Chicago yeah, that's what I'm saying. I do about
Chicago actually, because the first game I had put up
like one hundred and fifty hundred and seventy yards and
y'all y'all talked about was Alex Brown, Lance Bridge all
y'all talked about. Y'all kept me out of the end zone,
and y'all had vashers. Yeah, y'all had Nate Vashon, y'all
in zone coverage. That's all y'all talked about. And then
(30:02):
you know, we got into town and so for the
next game.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
It was like, yeah, this is you' talk about the
playoff game.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
The playoff game. It's like, how you gonna celebrate a
five nine receiver getting you know, thirty yards away from
two hundred. Yeah, like that's not a good accomplishment. And
so I went back and I just watched all the
films like, man, I'm gonna get these boys and so
on that play. We it wasn't a hand signal. We
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never changed the play.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
So that was the bad insl Hey Zoom Zoom told
me he was like Peter, who did Jerry Zuma was
on the sideline, he was our nickel. So Jerry was like,
I hate they're doing whatever signal. He was like, Peter,
it's it's a it's a you call it smoke. He
was like, it's a smoke. Pass is a smoke. So
that's why I believed it.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Like the play, you were sitting I use caddywompus. You
were kind of sitting, yeah, stagnant. It was a hunt
Street circle, hitch under streak, right, bro, I just ran
to go. Jake didn't know. I just ran it. I
(31:11):
was like, no, I'm running this go. This ain't bad.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Instead zoom. You can't wait to call him Jesus completely
just made it up.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
You just went yes. But chemistry is and Jake knew,
like when I was running, if I was gonna break down,
like you knew, Yeah, I had no intentions. I looked.
I was like, hey, receivers, while we trash talks, dude,
we get out a lot of times. Just sitting out
(31:43):
on the island, you think of a lot of great things.
And I was and I saw I'm lined up and
I'm lined up and I'm looking he's going through his cadence.
He ain't moving. No, I was bleaching.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
I was like, I'm just and I knew I messed
up because as I sick my first two steps.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Here's the thing, I pushed them when I want when
I went back the pastor, I pushed him so to
make sure to get a little bit if you get
the jump, that if the ball is late. So when
I ran past it, I literally just pushed him.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I was like, no, I turned around as quick as
I could, grab med Zoom the whole time I'm tasting you.
I'm mad at Zoom'm like he'd want to start mother.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Why did I? Oh, please Mike Brown, please title?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh god, dang it, Mike bro Oh oh this is bad.
Oh god, this is bad. He's celebrating. Oh they're playing
the music. Oh god, yep, this is bad. That's me,
son of a biscuit.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah. I think it's amazing.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Number One that you brought up the fact of something
I never thought about is as a receiver, how much
free time you guys got out there when you're not
getting the ball, The things that come across your mind.
What's probably the craziest thing or the most I mean
non football thing you thought about.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
For me is a lot of things.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I will tell you what taking the Super Bowl thirty eight,
what was the most you thought about in that Super
Bowl thirty eight game, if there was something that you
could have done to change the outcome of that game,
what would have been?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Man, it was that game happened so fast, right, I
don't even I could tell you. I don't remember that, Okay,
it was it happened so fast things were happening about.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
A regular game.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I want to know.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I've never thought about that, and that's never crossed my mind.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Nobody regular games. I would. I'm such a thinker like
I would, Man, what I gotta do this week? You know,
sometimes we weren't very good. Well, my off season gonna
be like I did a few internships, so, you know,
trying to do that stocks I was. I'm in the
stocks stocks. I love cooking, so thinking about cooking or like, yeah,
(34:01):
where we're going to eat? Uh. One of the things too,
that I would think about a lot, which led me
to hire a sports psychologist before it was the end.
Thing is uh. There were a few times when I
played I asked myself and told myself for like, I
(34:21):
had an internal conversation. I don't know if I can
keep this up. I'm not sure if I can keep
up this pace of playing this way, right, so there's
a few times where I had a lot of negative
thoughts about myself while playing.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
While playing, I think that's normal, though.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I don't think that's normal at all, Thank you. I
don't think that's normal. I think it's normal that that
you go back and forth with it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
And I'm talking about I don't even really thought I
was gonna make it, uh like six or seven years
in the league, Like I did not believe I was.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I was gonna last up what thirteen, sixteen, sixteen, Come on, man, seasons.
I'm sorry that was that was.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I'm captain. I like to call myself Captain Petty. So
we played in Baltimore.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
This was amazing.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Yeah, we played.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
He didn't talk to anybody before the game except me.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I didn't talk at all.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Did players come up to you?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
What wasn't talk to Nobody was talking anybody? He was
so he was like mister angry. I was there. He
came up and talked to me.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
I thought it was like, oh well, and everybody looked
at me like, oh, why is he talking to you?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
I'm like, I thought some stuff and some stuff, yes,
how would how it happened? It was so much. I
was like, and uh, I'm not gonna say who on
the team. But someone told me, like they had the
team meeting, and Ron Rivera was like, you know, Steve,
you know how he's gonna be, and so let's just
(35:57):
be prepared, you know. And it's kind you know how
it is when you're on the team, you're liked by
the coach, and then when you're off the team all
the things, how they truly feel about you. And so
I was like, okay, And so I just had in
my mind, I'm not gonna say nothing, because I normally
(36:17):
if I say I'm not gonna say a thing, that
means at some point I would say something. Bro, I
just say nothing. Like I walked out of there. I
was like, no, I'm I'm not gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
He had nothing to say to that.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Nobody like and.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
What was the performance?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
What was the outcome?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Well, on the first play, which I love Baltimore at
that hardball is all about team and players, and and
he was like, man, we're gonna feed you. I was like, cool. Bet.
So we ran a traditional Kyle Shanahan slash Gary Kobiak
offense play action with the drag and so I had
(36:54):
to drag route flat and Roamas right there and I
was running and I caught the ball rumors right there.
But what I did is I slowed down and looked
at him and stiff arm he did. I like, I
wanted to Steve arm Roman and so I called it
(37:15):
pow and then took off and I was like, all right,
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He ate that day though, and he ain't on everybody
else but me besides that play. And so I'm so
happy for him, especially seeing what Steve has done. And
I like to give you a flowers now, and this
this opportunity to talk about what I think that you
do the best, which is serve your community Charlotte with
your foundation, because you maybe tell us about that how
long it's been going on and how much you have
(37:45):
really changed and done. You got your own office space,
like it's huge in the city of Charlotte. For everything
that you've been able to do and accomplish with your foundation.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Thank you. It's the Steve Smith Family Foundation. We just
hit our eleventh year last year and rebranding ourselves just
because I started a foundation. I just remember based on
our when we first started the foundation, it was really
about serving the community in areas that I know which
(38:15):
is underserved. And so what we did and how it started.
We were giving kids opportunity to go to camps, and
we were doing our partnered with Samaritan Feet Mann your
homemade washing feet. So did a lot of different things,
and then we started really hone in and focus on
(38:37):
some things in the pandemic. I caught when that they
were given all these underprivileged public school kids laptops and
saying you're good, they had nowhere for them to go.
And so we took it upon our shelves the foundation.
We said, hey, less kind of like cultivate academy. And
(39:04):
so what we did is we found a office space
where they can also social distance, and we took I
think we took about one hundred one hundred and something
students that are public school because a lot of the kids,
but the kids that we target and focused on were
(39:25):
kids who were considered homelessness homelessness and Charlotte and the
criteria would be living in a hotel, shelter, living with
a family member, or out of a car. And so
in the shelters in COVID, a lot of times those
kids slept in a shelter, but they went to school.
(39:45):
Most shelters don't allow children to be in a shelter,
so it was a unique situation for everyone. Obviously, COVID
was for everything, and so we took homeless kids who
couldn't be in shelters, and then we partnered up and
I kind of called them out, was CMS in Charlotte,
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and so they bust these kids. And our building that
we were running out was also a drop center where
they can give these kids their lunches and breakfast. So
they got breakfast, lunch. And then I partnered with some
local organizations, some local companies, some local restaurants, and we
(40:28):
would do Freedom Friday, and Freedom Friday was a local
business come in and feed these kids, yeah, a meal
or restaurants and man, it was dope. And we did
that for those seventeen eighteen months. And then I hired
and I figured out the teachers assistants didn't have jobs.
So I figured out how much the teacher assistants were
(40:50):
getting paid. I said, all right, whatever the teacher assistance
I know, but I'm not going to say the number.
Whatever they were getting paid, I was like, all right,
throw five hours on there and see if they'll come
work for us. So they took it, jumped on it
because it was dire straits. Yeah, and so I was like,
all right, so this is what they're making, Let's make
(41:10):
it worth their while. Let's actually when they worked for me.
Let's upgrade them. And so that's what we did. And
then we started to realize the social emotional part of it.
And then our medical clinic that we already had operating
and running that was a free clinic. We started to
see the medical part was just okay. We had at
(41:34):
the time six thousand patients and seventy five percent of
our patients we're seeking mental health. I think in the
first six months we had nineteen hundred clinical hours just
dedicated to mental health. And so we started to realize
that focus on mental health. Yeah, and so we started
doing mental health, start talking to the county and they said, hey, man,
(41:58):
can you take what you guys doing and mental health?
Can you do it and make it its own? So
I met with a counselman, Anthony Troutman, and my good
buddy who at the time Rocky, and we started sitting
down and we had a meeting and they said, hey,
what does your clinic do? I said, all right, our
(42:19):
clinic does this. He said, well, can you do a
mental health I said sure. So we did that. But
I was like, hold on, this got to be a
standalone and so random numbers. And because I'm heavily involved
random numbers, I said, all right, for us to do
it this, how much is gonna cost? Stand alone? He
said all right? And so in the draft in Cleveland
(42:43):
when I was working there, my team set up a
meeting and Cleveland has that mental health facility. So I
went there and visited them and try to figure out
how to do it. And it's a psychiatric ward. So
we did it and built it, and we opened up
the Steve Smith Family Foundation b HUCK operated by Daymark
(43:06):
interviewed about five or six medical providers. Yeah, and open
up a b huck. And the b huck is behavioral
health urgent care twenty four hours, three hundred and sixty
five days, and you come in, if you get assessment,
come in, and something happens going there. And so that's
what we did. And so we have a we have
(43:28):
a clinic that operates, and then we have a mental
health facility. And primarily a lot of the people are unasured.
And so now we're in talks of doing some other
stuff as well, but we serve in a mental health capacity.
We serve as young as four, as old as seventy five.
(43:50):
And so since we've been open since last March, we've
avoided almost a thousand er emergency. So that's what we do.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
I love that. That's why I wanted you to talk
about that. I knew that. I didn't know. I had
no clue.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I know how involved he's been in how much is
his foundation has made an impact in that community, and
all the things you're doing.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
So yeah, really good.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
I want to make sure I appreciate that we got
a brick and mortar. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
And the cool part about it is all of our
programs we do, we have the three p's and so
it's it's part you're either part of the program, your partner,
or you're a person. We're going to highlight and all
of our all of our places that we operate out of,
(44:41):
the Foundation owns it. I don't believe in these people
are giving their money. I don't believe in renting waste
the money. So our be up our facility. We own
a brick and mortar. It's about twelve thousand s gread feet.
We own that, our medical clinic, we own that out
right as well, looking and expanding that as well the
(45:03):
next couple of years and doing that. But I believe
in ownership.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
I think that's dope. That's stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
H So I got I gotta. I got a Baltimore
question for you real quick. So you're you know, one
of your last years in Baltimore, you tore your achilles
double rupture, double rupture?
Speaker 1 (45:32):
How you do how you do that?
Speaker 4 (45:34):
Tore it off the heel and in the middle.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
So double rupture to your achilles. Why was it important
for you to come back.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
One more season? It actually wasn't.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Okay talk about that?
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Tell me I was set to retire. What was crazy
is that throughout that year, started in May, I was
getting this like burning sensation back of my heel. They're like, oh,
it's just arthritis. And found out I actually slightly tore
it then. And so when I tore it, doctor and
repaired it, and he was like, hey man, this thing
(46:11):
is funky in there. And after he did search it,
I said, what do you mean? He said it was
upside down and it had fresh car tissue. So I
tore it off the bone. Here and then in the middle,
so he had to They had to cut it open,
take my Achilles tenant and drill it with a nail
back into my heel and then sew it up. And
(46:34):
so I was like, oh, okay, that's different. And my
agent took my right up when I was coming out
of college, Steve Smith, number seven from Utah, and he
mailed it to me and said, you don't have to
(46:56):
come back, but if you are, you remember you're not
supposed to be here this long. And he mailed it
to me and I read everything, all the lines and
a write up from the draft. It's a collaboration or
a culmination of all the scouts and teams, and they
just put on there like, you know, inconsistent. I remember
(47:19):
reading on there it said I had a fourth year
but not a third year.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (47:25):
I don't thank you? So doesn't run the same route twice,
small frame, injury prone and in college I broke my neck.
I did see four busht fracture. So just all of
that stuff, and so I was like wow, And so man,
he knew me. I had the same agent my whole time,
so he knew me. He knew what I needed. Yeah,
(47:45):
and so when he sent that got the work. That's
what's up. That's what's up.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
So amazing career.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
I think you got an amazing life. You got a
great story.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Thank you. Clearly you didn't do it all yourself. You've
had people help you, multiple millions millions. You've definitely had
some people help you along the way. If you could
only pick four on your mount rushmore of greatness of
people that you look up to mentors, who would those
people be?
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Well, it has to be my wife with their patients.
I could be a handful. When I played, I was
it was around the house. The family walked in a
lot of eggs shells because of my emotional immaturity, my
ability to really know and understand why I'm feeling the
way I was feeling or how so they my family
(48:40):
really struggled But why is that always man? What's wrong
with dad? And so they struggle with that. And so
now today for me, I got four kids twenty six,
twenty two, eighteen and nine. My nine year old says
things to me that my twenty six year old was like,
were wow, lost all our fronts talking to you that way?
(49:03):
So I would say, my wife and my kids, right
on there because they knew me. Yeah, you know there
around me. Uh man. I remember my wife when I
broke my neck in college and we were just engaged. Man.
There were times where I couldn't even I couldn't reach,
(49:24):
and she helped me. I couldn't wash my back right,
and I was and this was I wasn't in the league,
and it wasn't looking like I was going to the
league either, because I was in the harness. In that harness.
So my wife and my kids. Another guy is Fred Rays.
(49:47):
He's my wife receivers coaching college. He recruited me to
University of Utah. He's a father figure to me to
this day. We still talk. So he's there. Mhmm. You
got too, I know because if you you know how
it is in the black community, if you leave one out,
(50:08):
the wrong one could be calling me right now, man,
mm hmm. My grandmother, yeah, both my grandmothers and Betty,
but my Betty Smith, my dad's mom. She taught me
how to cook, She taught me how to feed myself.
(50:36):
And I would say, my mom, we haven't always had
a great relationship. My mom was not very loving. I
know my mom loves me. We talk, but My mom
was very physical with me when she didn't like the
(50:57):
way I operated or you know, I done things. She
had me. She had me washing dishes when I was
like in the first grade, standing on the stool because
I didn't have to height. I knew how to wash
clothes my age of twelve years old. She just taught
me a lot of things how to take care of myself.
(51:20):
I disagreed on how her method, on how she approached things,
because that approach really tainted my vision on how to
parent and be loving. But so I would say that
that would be that would be my fall because they all,
they all gave me something that either to think about,
(51:43):
to meditate or pray on, and left with me cut
and back.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, I think your openness, your honesty has been really
really impressive. And not only that, but these are lasting
impressions on your life. I mean the fact that you
can remember, like, no, in first grade, I was washing
dishes standing on the stool.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Like that's a very vivid memory. Yeah, it's a very
vivid memory for you.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
And so with all that being said and understanding like
your openness, I'd like for you to give us a
little bit of advice for the people that watch and listen,
and you know this thing is called Second Acts podcast
for the reason, and so could you give us a little.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
Bit of advice of how to.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
Handle the transition from no longer playing football to getting
to that second act? I think so many of us,
all of us, we all struggle for different ways whenever
we put.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Down the ball.
Speaker 3 (52:39):
That's even from high school, going to college, college, going
to the league, whatever that is. Talk to us about
that transition, how you handled it, your struggles, and any
advice you would give for all of us that are
listening and watching, because truly that's the piece, that's the
secret ingredient that we're all looking for.
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Still working it out. I agree with you, Yeah, still
working it out. I think the biggest advice and the
most important thing I would give you for me has
been grieving, learning how to grieve, because I don't think
people really understand the impact of grieving, right. I didn't
(53:26):
realize when I left Baltimore, packing up my apartment, closing
the door and driving home that when I left and
closed that door and dropped off my key, that I
you know I was gonna be okay with never ever
playing football again. I'm not playing and then when COVID happened.
(53:47):
After COVID, we downsized from a home that we had
lived in for ten years, and I had to pack
up again. But I wasn't packing up our home. I
was packing up all my crap that I was holding
onto that was my old career. In the new house,
(54:11):
it had no space. Seeing in the ten yearhouse I had.
I had a whole area about me, mannequin with my
jerseys on them, the Panther pro bowl. I had my cleats.
I still had my shoulder pads that I wore my
whole career. I have all of that stuff. Had my son's,
(54:35):
my oldest sons. He played soccer at DePaul uh, so
he had his stuff. I just had all this stuff
and I had to pack it up put in a
box because there was no room for it in the
new house. And bro I was packing it up and
I started crying because I didn't realize I never really
(54:56):
handled it right. I just left. Then I went into
TV because they offered me, but I never really sat
down and thought about, like, how is this going to
impact you? And you know people and people say, oh,
I know, you miss it. I don't. When I first
(55:17):
started doing TV and they run out of tunnel, Like
my skin started crawling. But after now when they do it,
I'm like, oh man, that's cool. Now I watch it
and I go, I wonder what they're gonna do coming
out of tunnel. Now, I'm just I just am interested
to see how they do it. Like those individual people.
(55:38):
When I first stopped, I missed it. Yeah, So grieving
well and going through each step and understanding all those
steps and knowing that it's going to be ugly. You're
gonna have to now, you're gonna have anger, you're gonna
(56:00):
have hopelessness, you're gonna have bargaining. Then you come to
that resolution and then you finally are okay. But man,
you gotta do a lot of work in there, and
and then that bargaining hopelessness. Man, that's a dangerous place.
That's where drug addiction comes in. That's what suicidal thoughts
(56:22):
come in. And if you don't if you're not prepared
and ready for it and have a plan. And I
didn't have a plan. I just said, man, I'm just
feeling funky. I need some I need some help because
it's not I'm gonna snap. It was why Like it's
just like waking up just disappointed. Yeah, I don't have
(56:48):
nothing to be disappointed about. I really didn't. I really don't.
But struggling to find the joy and happiness and things.
You know, as a football player, we are so used
to looking for the next next play, next play. The
(57:09):
NFL for me was what I did not realize. Grew
up in Los Angeles, California, And anybody knows anything about
Los Angeles or you hear about it, PCH is a
beautiful highway. Yeah, man, NFL was PCH highway. And you
know what, I rarely pulled over and took the sunset there.
I rarely pulled over and smelled the flowers. I was
(57:35):
too busy just trying to get there and on one
take of gas and realizing it's impossible. So that's what
I was saying. Man, Fuck, you know, process, whatever you're
going through, there are more years, right because I really
struggled with you know how I grew up. I've lived
(57:58):
more years out of pop really then I have. That
I was in poverty, but that taker's mentality is still
in me, right, that get it or I wish you would,
it is still in me. So I gotta work. I
gotta work on that it said every day, man I
was I was finding here from Orlando because I was
(58:19):
doing did a little side gig out there, and man,
I was on the I was on there, I was
on the on the plane. Man I was reading my
scriptures and and just journaling. And every day before a
journal I put the date, all right, how am I
feeling today? Yeah, it's been refreshing because you don't and
(58:43):
you don't really realize how you're feeling, and then you
start writing like damn quicker playing very true. Right. So
that so that's for me, that's that's because if you
are happy and content or at least optimistic gratefulness, it
(59:05):
oozes out of you, just like anger oozes out of you.
Got to get those toxins. And then when you crying,
what you're doing is you're getting When you cry, sometimes
you're getting those toxins out of you. So so for me, man,
that's what I would That's that's what I would say.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Beautiful, I love it, I do I do well. We sinning, man,
I thank you for that. Man, I give us something good.
Speaker 3 (59:31):
But I want to know that because I think that's
the biggest thing that we've learned doing this podcast. Is
that we all struggle with it. We a lot of
times we don't even know how to handle it. We
don't know where it's coming from, we don't know what
it is. But this transition is real, and it's real
for everybody, and we all got and there's no playbook
to it. There's no right way to do it. It
(59:51):
comes with no directions, and it all hits us at
some point.
Speaker 4 (59:53):
Everyone's transition is different.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
Yes, it's all customized, customized to you the player and
a car. Yeah, all the way worse and how you
deal with it. So, hey, man, appreciate you being vulnerable
sharing all that was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
That was deep.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Thanks for sharing it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
I feel like I know you even more now.
Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Appreciate you shot. That was one of the things I
tried to do when I played this. I kept that
hard steriorshell. I didn't want people to know me. Yeah,
and I think it benefited me because now over here
when people they're like, oh, he actually he's not dumb, right,
he's not. He's he doesn't walk around mad at the
(01:00:34):
letters because it's.
Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Wilton, which I think he's still made. But really, I
love you that, I love you, so it's all good. Man, Hey, look,
I guess we'll get you up out of here. All
of our listeners, our viewers, thank you so much man
for always tuning in as always tell a friend to
tell a friend to web you tell a frame.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Thank you. Giv us a five star rating.
Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Hit that poba bld and give us a review anywhere
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Please keep tuning in, Man. We're doing big things here,
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Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
My man Steve Smith right here, so appreciate it. Steve
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