On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, we have a dynamic four-piece conversation when NFL legends Takeo Spikes and Tutan Reyes join hosts Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper. Takeo and Tutan are also in the podcast game with their “Behind the Mask” podcast, and the guys all share how they’ve found a passion for the space, and how it’s been a vehicle to display the human side of your favorite athletes. Takeo, Tutan and Peanut (sorry Roman) also discuss how the competitive drive that led them to become great NFL players also fueled their desire to earn master’s degrees in education. Takeo shares an example of the brotherhood amongst players which may have saved Tutan’s life. All that, and more, in a conversation you won’t want to miss.
Audio timestamps:
- 1:13 - Takeo Spikes and Tutan Reyes are introduced
- 1:38 - The history behind Tutan name
- 2:38 - Tutan and Takeo discuss their Behind the Mask podcast
- 8:08 - The guys talk about interviewing Lawrence Taylor
- 9:36 - The guys talk about linebackers vs. other positions
- 11:05 - Takeo explains why he wanted to develop a big neck
- 13:19 - Takeo and Tutan talk about getting their Masters degrees
- 19:14 - Takeo talks about working for the SEC network
- 20:38 - Roman asks Takeo about the difference between live and recorded TV
- 23:38 - Peanut asks the guys about podcasting vs. working in TV
- 27:31 - Tutan shares how Takeo helped him get tested for lymphoma
- 30:06 - Roman asks Takeo and Tutan what’s next for them
- 34:07 - Takeo and Tutan share their personal Mount Rushmore
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I just feel like, as a linebacker, you gotta have
some type of looking. I don't really respect linebacker. They
come in with a skin in the same way. How
you look at them. Receivers you'd be like, oh he
dress cold off? Yeah, no way you catch.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The ball on me?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
No bluff, Like, bro, he's so trash.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
I'm Peanut to him, and this is the NFL Player's
second Acts podcast. And I got my guy room when
he cold, but he don't want to put a code on.
He committed to that outfit right now, committed to the
fashion and everything. Yes, giving me that that coin that
I'm committed to the outfit today. And yes it is
freezing in here. But first and foremost, let's get all
(00:51):
the you know, get all the little things out of
the way. First of all, our viewers, listeners, wherever you're
tuned into right now, make sure you give us a
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your podcast at, whether it's iHeart or Apple Podcasts. So
thank you, Peanut. Introduce our guests today. Hey, we got
(01:14):
a good doet with us right now. We got two
great NFL Legends two Ton Reds to Kale Spikes. They're
phenomenal people. They have their own podcast right now behind
the masks. Welcome the to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What's up man? What finally you know we get a
chance to come in here.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I'm I'm really excited.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Number one, your your real name is Tudent comment, which
is to me, I don't I don't think enough people
understand that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
How does that? How does that come about?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Please explain that because I have the name Roman and
I have to explain that sometimes.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Absolutely. So.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
My mother and my aunt went to the King Ted
exhibit back in seventy seven in New York and they
were so intrigued by it. They said, the first male
child in the family is going to be named after
King tut So I got too time common as my name.
My father's from Honduras, so last name is Rees, so
it's kind of played on words as well as king
of kings. And my cousin was born like ten years
(02:18):
later and his name is Terrence, So you got the
easy name. So I'm the one that had to try
to you know, second grade, first grade tough, you know
the first day of classic like.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Like here, so yeah, man, but I love it.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's unique.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
And what I always say is you'll never meet another
person with the name too to uncommon.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I agree, I agree, let's talk about this too, because
you guys have a great podcast and you guys talk ball,
you talk other things as well. But the thing I'm
really intrigued is that both you guys are already retired
and now this podcast space is kind of taken off.
So now you guys have kind of been out of
the picture for al the fold for a while, and
(02:58):
now you're jumping back in. How do you go about
continue to jump back in and creating and like developing
your own space in this huge space where it's obviously
competitive and it's obviously like you're not a starting quarterback
that just retired, but you guys do have leverage, you
do have a lot of plays, and your name does
carry itself.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I was thinking about a whole lot to answer that question.
That's why you boy pausing right now. But it was,
you know, for me, it was like when you look
at social media, it really took a different approach. They
took a different approach starting around fifteen sixteen as far
as getting video content and giving you time to express yourself.
(03:41):
It all started out thirty seconds, then it went to
a minute. So I think that right there alone really
helped us kind of bridge the gap when we got
into it to go out. You're going to have your
own followers anyway, but to really spread the message of
understanding like how to be able to use social media
from that aspect, because so before that you really didn't
(04:04):
have an outlet. You know, you had to rely on
somebody else to share your story. But once they kind
of social media took that turn towards that, that really
really kind of gave us the high way to own
our way to heaven.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I would like to say, okay, I've heard that song
quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Well, so we we both had a broadcast background, so
we went to broadcast boot camp, also broadcasting the Covery
College football I should say, got our nbas and Taequillo
had his book Behind the Mask. So when he had
his book, we did a few a tour in Atlanta,
went to New York, and what we realized is that
(04:46):
for us, for athletes, we use a masks for protection, right,
but an every day walk people have masks. You have
your mask cup, you have your guard up. Yeah, right,
until it's a commonality or you feel comfortable enough to
pull that mask down. So we walk in the room
and I don't know you you're probably not going to
talk off you know, off top, but if you're like,
oh this is my god, this is my man, right, like,
(05:06):
oh cool, you let that guard down, You let that
mask down. So we want to see who that person is,
the person that's cool enough to let you know who
they really are behind the mask. You know, we regarded
uh being former players as it is, and and the
fans don't know, the audience doesn't know. So for me,
I think it was a great concept for Tequilo. Uh
he had his book and then twenty nineteen the pandemic
(05:29):
probably see the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
We're like, you know what, let's meet people where there
at gays and you actually we talked about it two years.
I was like, man, I'm not doing at that time.
I'm going to London, you know, holding down Sky Sports. Yeah,
and I'm staying over there, you know, I'm like being compensated.
Well yeah, so I'm like, you start a podcast, man,
(05:50):
you're trying to break up my my scheduled throughout there.
So I kept I kept doing research, kept hearing it. Yeah,
and I was like, bro, let's do it. So we
did it. And then the world stopped yeah with the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And the thing about it that I appreciate is we
no different than the game of football. You go up
and down the university. We found a way to stay
relevant throughout that time period going back to twenty fifteen
sixteen when I started seeing a shift in social media.
So we utilize it, bro, And you know that really helped.
Nowhere do y'all normally?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Me at?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Where do y'all hold the podcast?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
In Atlanta?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
In Atlanta?
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Okay, So we've had ours. Ours kind of started the
same way we've had. We're on our second season right now.
We've had a slur of former players on the show,
and we've traveled draft combine, owners meetings, super Bowl, like,
we've done it all. And I have my version of
(06:52):
favorite guests I have however long you guys have been
doing yours? How or excuse me? Who has been one
of your favorite guests that you've had on the podcast?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Say it?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
First name comes to mind? Who's the first name? All love?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Okay, oh, you sound like a parent now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Now you know what it is. It's so hard to
answer that because we don't just have football players or
basketball players. Like I immediately thought of, like one person who
I really appreciated because I did not know them was
Leila Ali. And then to turn around and have a
sit down with Kerry Hilson and we we ain't talking
(07:30):
about no sports at all, but we just chopping it
up about life.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, she had a couple of great bangers back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah you know she's coming back to ye. Yeah, she's
doing the thing man. But the connections that we have,
and I'm fascinated by learning. I love learning and just
to hear other people's you know, going through their adversity.
And it's no different than why I wrote the book
Behind the Mask. I wanted it was about some of
(07:58):
the greatest linebackers that play the game, and I wanted
to share their story of how did they become great,
what made them an out life. So when we talk
about guests, I look at her, I look at Lawrence
Taylor to be able to bring him out of the shadows,
and that was our podcast was the first one that
he did and so for him to to feel that way,
(08:19):
I was like wow, you know what I mean. So
it's just a lot, man, a lot that I take
from it from everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
We had him the other day.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I think he's still.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
He was, yeah, intimidating.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah still I don't.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Think I think he's the one NFL player we walk around.
You got gold jackets here at the super Bowl. Everybody's here,
and it's like, yeah, nobody him. Absolutely, It's like he
is just knowing like, ugh, probably not. I ain't barking
up that you he won speed all day all.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Day, same thing.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
We had him on the on the show, and the
funniest part about that I think we had our audio
engineer was was micing him up so you know, you
have to lapel, you got to go remember that, you
got to go through the shirt. But he was so
nervous because his lawn's tail. He's sitting there shaking and
he's like he just drops. It's like, y'all paying this guy.
(09:13):
But you know, his the intimidation that he still hasn't
even in the conversation just of his greatness stuff. Yeah
you know what I mean, because you know, Okay, he's
an older guy now, you know what I mean, he's
but sixty something maybe just turned sixty Yeah, yeah, sixty five.
And you're like, all right, if I if I had to,
I probably could take him. I had to write a
younger guy. But you're like, I'm not even gonna try. Yeah,
(09:33):
lt Yeah, none of that smoke, none.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Of that, none of that.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Let me let me ask you this when you when
you wrote the book, what made you want to focus
on linebackers? Why not quarterbacks, receivers, dbs, D lineman? Why linebackers?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well, it's, uh, linebackers first, because like that's that's what
I know. Yeah, and you know, And so it was
like from a business aspect, like why not I got
all of the connections I can reach out and touch
damn near everybody. So for me, I felt like I
wanted people to see it through our lens. How we
(10:08):
see the game and play the game. We consider ourselves
the best athletes on the field. I'm sure you gentlemen
of you, I'm sure you're gonna you're definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Nobody else thinks that.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Nobody else thinks that.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Because we have to, we have to play the run
the past, so does everybody else.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
On defense, Yeah, any difference, I think it's offensive lineman,
we never come off the field.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
You guys can sit in at about talking about the
DB's never come off the field either. DB's and linebackers
are the ones that don't.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Come off the packages and n that's more DB's. That's yeah,
you got a backer out there.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
You got yourself on this way. You're talking about rushers
day man, which I said, because it's got.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I like, first of all, I figured you would say that.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Look, I've always been intrigued by the linebacker position, even
going as far back is, you know, watching guys like
Mike Singletary with the crazy eyes, and so.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah, it's for me.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I would like to know this though, to kill because
I've been told a couple of times I.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Got a big neck.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
You know what I mean, Uh, you have a ginormous neck, right,
And I always also tell people I was like, it's
because my head is kind of skinny.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Your head's kind of skinny too, Like our necks.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Really that much bigger? Or is it the head a
little bit skinnier? And then and then also I mean
the motivation behind it? Where comes the motive? Because I've
read this, I did a little research on it. I
want to know if that part is true. They were like,
why did you focus on trying to get a big neck?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did you say you read about it right?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I did?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
People want to know. The people want to know. I
don't know why. Why did you want to focus on
having a big neck. But it wasn't It wasn't even
so much about having a big neck, not not majority
of it. Okay, all right, let's put it to bed
right here. So my high school coach told me, he
was like, look, hey, man, you know you're working your
neck muscles. You know that have reduced the risk of
(12:07):
you having concussions. And so I'm like, cool. So I'm
doing neck exercise, putting a forty five pound plate on
my head, leaning off the bench, bringing it here to
my stern them and that was an upright rolls every day.
I'm doing that, bro, every day. So I never had
any you know, in my earlier years, Like I never
(12:28):
had no shoulder problems, not even like like head problems
at that time. So for me, man, it was it
was about protection. And then the other part of it
too was I just feel like, as a linebacker, you
gotta have some type of look about you.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't really respect linebacker. They come in with a
skin in that. I'm just the same way how you
look at them receivers and you'd be like, oh, his
dress cold off.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Yeah, you go catch the ball on me, no gloves,
like he's.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So like that.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I just I'm I'm gonna fit the look you gonna
do that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But for volume two, we don't have defensive backs behind
the mask. Okay, I like that. Yeah, yeah, I can
give you my phone up. I'll be the first one.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, we're gonna take a short break and we'll be
back in a minute.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
So let me here's here's something that else said. I
think the three of us have in common. We all
have master's degrees. And I didn't say any names. I
didn't say that school up North. Okay, I just yeah,
I didn't say no names. But anyway, I want to
know why y'all chose the University of Miami and how
(13:43):
does that university tailor their program toward athletes feeling the gap.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
For me, it's a lot on the story. We basically
we took advantage of I mean what we had the
NFL player benefits. Yeah. I actually went back to school
and got my undergrad first because I heard about. That
was coming from him and another one of my best friends,
Carlos Simmons, and they was talking about, hey, man, we're
(14:11):
going to get all masters and we can use the
benefits to be able to pay for it. And so
I'm like, man, and so I just that was the
first time out of a lot of conversations we had,
I felt like, y'all think y'all better than me? Right now?
Speaker 8 (14:26):
Yeah, So I was like, so they just excluded me
and kind of like turn their shoulder.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
In the group text. We didn't, we didn't signed up.
Me and call those signed up was hesitant and he
was like, we just gonna do it. So we signed up. Next,
you know, he's like, y'all signed up. He's like, yeah,
it's too late. He got his paperwork k hed and stuff,
and that he's y'all not gonna get y'all not.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Gonna get one aboard me.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I wasn't gonna let them hold one up. I think
it speaks of It speaks volumes about who we are.
And when I say we, I don't just say us,
like all of us. We always need that competitive spirit
and to be able to talk to each other and
drive you. Because I had no intentions from going back
to school at all. And you know when my mama,
she was glad about her and she was like, I
(15:24):
just love them boys tell him like, you better take
your black ass back and I'm like, mom, we gonna
be rich. Yeah, but you still need to learn how
to manage it. I said, well, I'll figure that out.
But to be completely honest with you, one of the
(15:45):
best decisions I've ever made in my life. Yeah, just
because it taught me a new way to think. It
taught me to be able to respect other people's background
and their thought process, see what's important to them culturally
when you just see we're in the classroom with people
(16:05):
from India, from you know, we had other athletes in there,
George will So it was just a diverse background. But
to be able to listen and learn that was cool
for me.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And these people are smart people and the way they
think and the way you're presenting that that you gotta look,
when you're in a room of smart people, you're naturally
gonna get smarter because things are going to be said that.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Like, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yeah, And so what was probably one of the more
interesting time before we asked that I'm gonna go back
and get my my NBA.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What's up.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Let's do it right now, let's.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Do it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Competitive, let's do it. I'm not that competitive.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Come on, no, let's do it. Yeah, let's come on
to that's cap. Come on, man, you're fine.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I got an a club ring.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, you know what, we all that I don't have
the same thing.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
We felt like, you know what you know with the
college is cool into the NFL obviously the top of
the top of one sent and all of that. But
then it was like, when we all retire, all done
playing ball, you still have that competitive something. You need
something to fuel that competitive edge, right, So this was
that thing. And it was fifteen some years later from
when we played ball. But now because all those myself
(17:18):
and other athletes we all went, we still had the
camaraderie of the locker room. We still had brother Selene
on when we didn't understand a certain topic, I'm talking
about what eight hour days study hold? Hey man, you
had to relearn how to learn since you know what
I'm saying. It was like scar tissue being broken. This
(17:40):
is going to be my question.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It was like these the things that this is what
I want to know the things that you thought has
probably changed you or you didn't even understand what's going
to be. So relearning how to learn, learning, how to learn,
like learning how to study again because I've studied a playbook. Yeah,
I went from studying books to like a playbook and
now try to get all these things to now be
(18:01):
ready to study for it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That sounds like so much fun. We got to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
It was fun though, And I think I think the
coolest thing though, is when you have to like present
in front of your class.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh yeah, like as athletes.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
We cool with going out balling in front of seventy
thousand people, but you got to sit in front the
class of fifty people and talk when I tell you
them nerves be racket callers.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Was up there sweating, We handle side.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
How many seconds you take you before we started?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But it was dope man.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And again you're holding each other accountable and no one
was still above the other.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Because he didn't want to look look on our LinkedIn
and see us say two ton camras NBA and his
not say that.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
How long is the process?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
It was a year and a and a half years.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, two years so it was in person or was it?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
So he de catered it around the NFL season, so
we would go during the off season in class yeah,
down to Miami and then when the guys had mini
camp training camp because it was still some active players there.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, Tory Smith, some of the guys, Mike, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
My boy went back. Yeah, Will got Jarry to go back.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
So yeah, I remember this very vividly.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The thing I will talk about, though, is I'm bragging
myself a little bit, is to Keio working with the
SEC network. Could you talk about getting into that way?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
How did you get that job? How did you work?
I knew you were SEC Network.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I never heard of him.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Well, on his interview, he crushed it, but I was
over there feeding him assist. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
really just and I think I was share and we've
never done.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
The show together.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Uh, And it was just really cool to like, you know,
know him as a person, as a great player in
the NFL for all these years and now he's back
talking college football and he does.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
A great job of that.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
But it's also like really cool because it was like, man,
like I had this guy's back and I love seeing
him there, and I just wanted him to be more
and I think just having me there, it was just like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Okay, yeah, I appreciate that too, bro, you know what
I'm saying. I was gonna acknowledge that because it's the
little things in life. And so that was huge for
me because that was the first time me coming up there.
So I was like, I was like, you don't know
who's going to be interviewing you. And then when I
saw you was coming and it was intentional, Yeah, I
(20:25):
was like, my boy, No, I treat everything like like
that national anthem.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Get it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But nah, it really helped me though, And so and
what two years later now we still rocking and roll.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah, man, how have you How have you enjoyed doing
live TV? Because I don't think people understand doing live
TV versus a little stres recorded TV.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
How you enjoy that?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
What are some of the things that you have that
you didn't know before that you know now? And then
maybe kind of talk about the show you do the
listen ling on.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Super dope. First year I did every game on Saturday,
Like I can't look at the game and just say,
oh man, Tennessee. They couldn't stop the run. It's so generic,
water down, and so that's what I had to learn
how to do on live TV. But this is the killer.
You'd be like, oh, all right, that's easy, you can
(21:23):
do that. You got to be concise.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah, and you got team games on the.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So bro we had to relearn how to learn again.
Yeah and so but by mid season I really caught
my stride. That went well, got them reps. Got the reps, man,
It's all about getting the reps. They gave me more confidence,
you know. And every every week I'm tweaking the schedule
as far as timing and everything, trying to make sure
I'm ready for Saturday. Year two, which was this past
(21:54):
year live TV. I still do it. Love it. I
love having my own show. So they were ESPN saw
fit to it. Hey, you want the opportunity to have
your own show, it will be called out of pocket.
And I was like, well, it's not really my own show.
Then if you're telling me what it is, no but.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
My name for my show, I.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Guess that's what happened. But nah, I was like, I'm down,
so get in. And it's a lifestyle reality, not a
reality but a lifestyle athletic sports show and myself a
listen Lane love of to Death. Like I knew she
knew football just from looking at the network, but to
sit down with her, she went into depth detail and
(22:42):
I'm talking about like Mina Chhimes, like yeah, yeah, like
I respect Mena Chimes her analysis. So when I when
I sat down beside to listen Lang, I was like, man,
we hit it off. And I actually did my first
show with her, So that's what gave me a level
of comfortability too as well. But we hit it off.
We have it's almost the same as what we're doing
(23:03):
here on out of Pocket. Yeah, you know, we'll go
back and look at the weeks and see what players
probably got maybe got stiffed, armed or something. We make
fun in light of it to where it's not a
heavy football show, and then we have fun, we laugh,
but then also we have certain segments to where okay,
now let's look at this fourth and thirty one over
here and see what happened at Auburn and then why
(23:24):
they gave that up, you know what I mean. So
it's a good mixture, and for me, I thought it
was a perfect balance for me. So as far as
Live TV and the show, I have now love it man,
looking forward to doing it again.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
We'll be back in a minute. What do you like
about the podcast versus TV?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
For me?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
When I brought I did some broadcasting with covering college
football as well. For me, I like the podcast because
it's even more authentic, right with our guests, with obviously
myself and to kill you get the real interaction right
so live TV when he broadcast in the studio, you
(24:08):
know the studio panel. Obviously in a game. When I
covered college football, you like the game. But if I'm
covering it the college the game, excuse me, and it's
a blowout going on, you get bored. So when he
was covering remember there were times we would text each
other when he was broadcasting with back another network and
I was covering ball, he just boring, man, you know
what I mean? As far as former athletes, we know
(24:30):
good football, but you see bad football kind of gotta
get charged up.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
For me, the podcast with your guess, you always charged
up because there's always something that's always a nugget. There's
always now a clip that's going to go viral. It's
something that you're going to find out from your from
your guests that you're like, you know what, that's our
touchdown when he says it. In the back of our mind,
we was sitting there like, this is it?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
We got it, we got goal and for me like that,
So is.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
That the most gratifying part of the podcast for you
guys personally is like getting that clip like ooh that
was it? Is that the most gratifying or is it
just letting people tell their story or.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
For me, it's letting people tell their story, right, because
you got guys like we had John Abraham. One haven't
heard from him for years, Jamal Lewis, people haven't heard
from him for years. Lt like Tequillo said Charles Barkley,
Eric Dickerson, some of the legends. Right, the most gratifying
part is when the the interview was over, the episode
(25:30):
is over, and they're like, you know what, I appreciated that.
I never would have had this conversation with anybody else.
But I felt like I was back in the locker room.
It felt good, It felt natural. It didn't feel like
an interview. Like the interview. It felt like I was
chopping it up with my boys, and I'm like Yo,
that's what it is. And we got guys that cry.
Kerry Hilson cried, John Hell, I cried, he cried, I cried,
you know what I mean. So when when you have
(25:50):
that authentic vulnerable space, but you still feel you find comfortable,
comfortability and being vulnerable amongst your peers, that's the most
gratifying part, you know what I mean, Because we're not
going to take your story and spin it like some
media just to get a clip. No, no, no, We're going
to tell a story like you want it sold. Because
you're the author of your own autobiography. It's your narrative.
(26:13):
How you want it perceived, that's how it's going to
be perceived.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
So that rome literally across every every podcast I do
because I cried when I laugh, So every every podcast,
he cried, You do that all the time, all the time,
every episode, he cries.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I feel that it's.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Really you know, as we alpha males man, you know,
I don't want to you don't want to show your
vulnerability all the time because it's perceived as weakness.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
I saw the John aram Uh podcast and that was
that was a powerful one.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It was real.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
It was so real, and the whole suffering in silence,
and I I commend you too for giving him a
safe space and pouring into him and letting him pour
into y'all with with what he was going through at that.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Time, because when he said those things, it was just like,
what did I did?
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I just hear that, right, And at the time, when
you know he was playing, he was that dude in
Atlanta and then.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I just remember him flamboyant, not flamboyant, but like very
bright tattoos.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You could just see it from the sideline.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yeah, I just was I don't know, man, y'all y'all
did a hell of a job on that interview with him.
So I just want to say, Yo, that was that
was That was a dope interview.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Didn't even have any idea it was going to go
that way. That's that's the other part I like about
I love Live TV, but I also loved the podcast,
probably a little more because it's the unexpected, like we
had to shut down shop and you know, because this
dude here was just hard headed. Man, I feel something
(28:00):
fell a little tightness, you know, And after like a
couple of weeks, he was like, hey, man, want you
just go get checked out?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now What he didn't say was he had a limp.
It was a lump, yeah, lump and is growing. We
kept myself callos him and it's got to a point,
what a year and a half later? Yeah, year, little
bit over year maybe he went to the doctor, found
out he had limph on and like it was wow.
(28:28):
It like totally can't curse on Hill, but you don't
want me to curse. I was stup, bro, Yeah, like
I was. When he called me.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I was like.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I couldn't even breathe, bro, and I keep it together,
kept it together for him, and uh, he actually knew
when we came out here we're not here. But at
Super Bowl last year, I was like you sure you
want to do this?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He was like, yeah, I wanted.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I got it. He was like I need to do
it because it was I was like, man, we just
don't have to do anything. But going back to the
storytelling to John Abraham, you know, to hear him share
his story on why he came out and decide to
do it, because this was a lot of people who
thought he's still close to them, but they felt offended
(29:20):
because he didn't tell anybody. He didn't want that emotional
trauma to follow him and so to be able to
look at what we do totality wise. That's what makes
me love doing the podcast sector so much, getting those
stories and him just being a man about it and
shedding light on it for all of us to know.
(29:42):
So that look, guys, man, I know we tough, and
I like to play dumb tough, and I listen, I'd
say it all, but at the end of the day,
you got to get checked. You can't pour it from
no empty cup. And if you ain't right, ain't nobody
right preaching quote right there?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
I mean, oh, man, you know he's from the South, bro.
So I see it feels like you guys have really
found your lane in this whole podcast space. And it
starts because you guys generally care about each other. Clearly
(30:19):
we can see that. And so as this thing continues
to roll down the Interstate Highway, how do you continue
to expand?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Like what is next?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
And because I know that's how most of us are wired,
it's like, all right, once I get here, it's like,
you know, getting to the league was the goal. Then
when you get there, like how do I get to
a Pro Bowl? How do I get paid? Or how
do like what's the next And so as this lane
continues to roll on for you guys, I want to
know what's next in you guys's minds.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's two part. I'll start first.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
They started first.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Maybe because it was my idea. First stop crying, I will.
I think it's uh, you know, continue to make bigger
and meaningful sponsorships, to be able to become syndicated on
a bigger platform, to be able to leverage those partnerships
(31:18):
and do some meaningful things, have meaningful conversations as we
go around the country, you know. So for me, that's
the big thing is just making sure that we continue
to grow scale as much as we can, yeah, you know,
and you know, and everything else to take care of yourself.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
From that part, yeah, And I think that the dopest
part is it's not just a podcast as a media
company behind the mass media. So from going to broadcast
boot camp, from getting our MBA's like all right to
your point earlier, anybody could do a podcast right on
the whole building, own the whole building, on your content,
as opposed to sitting there and saying, okay, we want
(31:54):
to just be on this platform. It's like, nah, you
know what this doesn't seem right, reill license it to you. Yeah,
you know you just not just gonna have our stuff
sitting up there, like like, let's make this a business
partnership with deal you. We're not going to work for you,
We'll work with you. And also telling continuing to tell
the stories, particularly from my guys right, because there's so
many people that tell us, like, you know what, I
(32:16):
didn't know you were going through that, but I appreciate
you talking about it because I was going through it too.
I had these same thoughts of what life after football
is like. I had these sating thoughts of you know,
possible suicide or I had something going on with my
health but I didn't check it. But because you checked
your health and you were vulnerable and shared that, I
(32:36):
went to the doctor too. So now I'm good. You
know what I'm saying, because again, like Takio said, a
year that was dumb freaking year. It took him and
call those cursing me out saying what he's wrong with?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
You? Get your checked, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
And when I finally did and find out like something
was really going on, if it wasn't for my brothers
checking me, I probably stay it would have been another
year and then it went from as opposed to the
stage two, stage three or for you know what I mean.
So being that voice for the brotherhood, for the brothers
that feel like they don't have a voice, but they
(33:09):
got ears, they can still hear it, they can listen,
they can feel it, you know what I mean. Sometime
that resonates in wherever they're at in their lives. So
I think that's the thing for me. And I was
like to kill said, just continue to scale the business
and growing it as large as he possibly can and
taking it as far as this thing can go. I mean,
it's enough. It's enough if it's the money's the goal.
(33:31):
There's enough money out there for everybody. Like you said,
everybody's you know a lot of people are doing podcasts,
but Bro's it's you have a different story. You got
a different story. I have a different story. This guy's story.
He hated me because I was from New York until
he got cool and me he's like, I I like him.
It's a different story.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Trust casts from New York.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Growing up like nah, they talk too fast.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah man, but yeah, man, just continue to share these stories.
I think that's the most important thing because otherwise, you know,
out for meals, were.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Holding it in. Yeah, we're not letting it out.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
So we have a space where we can let it
out and be comfortable letting it out because we know
that we're not gonna judge each other. That's an amazing feeling.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Yeah, so we're all four of us is a room
where that what top less than one percent?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
To make it to the NFL.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
We've had success on the field, success off the field.
Clearly you guys, bachelor's degrees, NBA's to us, to us
three over here, I want to.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
That's a hard line right there, A hard line right there.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Dog.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
What I really want to know is four people, of
around four people on Mount Rushmore? Who would you put
on that on? By four people? Who would you put
on Mount Rushmore? To help you get to where you
are right now? Two times you go first? My mother, Okay,
obviously that's my rock, my son.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Yeah, because he's my first born and I knew when
I got to the league that was my motivation. I
say my grandmother because she told me when I was young.
I said, she said, what do you want to do?
I said, I don't want to go to the NFL.
Play football professionally, She's like, just do it. It's not
that easy, Grammy, just do it. You want to do it,
do it, And that stuck with me in terms of
(35:21):
how I approach life. I feel I can do anything
a girl because for me, my kids are the people
that to you to motivate me. So when I feel
like I want to give up, is like, nah, I
can't give up. When I feel like I this ain't
(35:42):
gonna be right now, you're doing it for something bigger
than yourself. So for me, it's it's family, you know.
I mean the shout out to every obvious coaches and
people that tell me along the lines, but definitely for
me my family.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, man, it's somewhat of the same thing. Like I
get more specific, my mother, father, they my father introduced
me to the game. He's passed now. He introduced me
to the game, taught me how to be a man
and how to carry yourself. My mother like the all
(36:16):
the fire inside of me, Like I get it from her.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
She calls it a controlled aggression.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I like that, you know. So, uh, those two definitely
man for kind of carving me out into the man
who I am. I would also say my high school coach,
his entire staff, but him coming with the vision to
a small rural town and making you believe that you
(36:49):
can be whatever you want to achieve, and I him.
And then lastly I would say my daughter, you know,
love that the joker man love them. Yeah, Like she's
shown me it's a different side. It's like it's a
(37:11):
totally different side that always keeps me evolving. And I
feel like that's what keeps me young. Not saying that
I need more, but it's just you know how it
is dealing with women. You know, they just they be sometimes,
then they be here and then they love on you
and then you know, it's just a different mixed array
(37:33):
of emotions. But she's taught me how, like all right,
sit down and listen to it. It made me also
realize how much I probably didn't listen before her.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But we don't say this for the firecast, but out
of those four, those four people, they've been very instrumental,
so they would definitely be you on mind round Mountain Rushmore.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
That's beautiful, fellas. We appreciate y'all man coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
This is dope, man.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
This was kind of behind the mask.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's just really behind the masks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Man, we appreciate you having it too long enough for me,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, Man, we seen y'all last year.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
We cross paths now, we were together. You know what
I'm saying. I appreciate it. That's it, man, I like it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
So whenever y'all want us to come through like or
the NBA crew, I can't.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I'm going back.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I think I'm gonna do it. I'm no cap, no
bullet like.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
I'm like, wait all, y'allmost like Yo, I got a masters,
but I ain't got no mving like I'm thinking about room.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep pouring into you. But
do it, man. I like that.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You're gonna be great. You're gonna be great. All right, man,
let's get about it here. Man, all of our listeners
and viewers, thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Man.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
This has been another special one between two and Teqio. Man,
y'all go check come out at Behind the Mask. They
do great things on their pod man and you can
check them out on YouTube. They're on social media, Instagram
and all that other things, so y'all please go check
them out support man, because this is what this whole
thing is really is about us brothers as former NFL players,
this fraternity leaning on each other, love them one another,
(39:17):
understanding that these talks we got to continue to have them.
These are free spaces, open spaces to really open up
and can talk about these things that we normally don't
ever talk about. So thank you for that, Man, and
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Speaker 4 (39:34):
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Speaker 2 (39:39):
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Speaker 5 (39:40):
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Speaker 4 (39:48):
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Speaker 7 (39:49):
Hey, I'm Peanut with the NFL player Second Acts podcast
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Speaker 4 (39:55):
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Speaker 2 (40:10):
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Speaker 6 (40:15):
Duct Obstacle Bile Fustical ba
I just feel like, as a linebacker, you gotta have
some type of looking. I don't really respect linebacker. They
come in with a skin in the same way. How
you look at them. Receivers you'd be like, oh he
dress cold off? Yeah, no way you catch.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
The ball on me?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
No bluff, Like, bro, he's so trash.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Thanks for tuning in.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
I'm Peanut to him, and this is the NFL Player's
second Acts podcast. And I got my guy room when
he cold, but he don't want to put a code on.
He committed to that outfit right now, committed to the
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I'm committed to the outfit today. And yes it is
freezing in here. But first and foremost, let's get all
(00:51):
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thank you, Peanut. Introduce our guests today. Hey, we got
(01:14):
a good doet with us right now. We got two
great NFL Legends two Ton Reds to Kale Spikes. They're
phenomenal people. They have their own podcast right now behind
the masks. Welcome the to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What's up man? What finally you know we get a
chance to come in here.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I'm I'm really excited.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Number one, your your real name is Tudent comment, which
is to me, I don't I don't think enough people
understand that.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
How does that? How does that come about?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Please explain that because I have the name Roman and
I have to explain that sometimes.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Absolutely. So.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
My mother and my aunt went to the King Ted
exhibit back in seventy seven in New York and they
were so intrigued by it. They said, the first male
child in the family is going to be named after
King tut So I got too time common as my name.
My father's from Honduras, so last name is Rees, so
it's kind of played on words as well as king
of kings. And my cousin was born like ten years
(02:18):
later and his name is Terrence, So you got the
easy name. So I'm the one that had to try
to you know, second grade, first grade tough, you know
the first day of classic like.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Like here, so yeah, man, but I love it.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's unique.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
And what I always say is you'll never meet another
person with the name too to uncommon.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I agree, I agree, let's talk about this too, because
you guys have a great podcast and you guys talk ball,
you talk other things as well. But the thing I'm
really intrigued is that both you guys are already retired
and now this podcast space is kind of taken off.
So now you guys have kind of been out of
the picture for al the fold for a while, and
(02:58):
now you're jumping back in. How do you go about
continue to jump back in and creating and like developing
your own space in this huge space where it's obviously
competitive and it's obviously like you're not a starting quarterback
that just retired, but you guys do have leverage, you
do have a lot of plays, and your name does
carry itself.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I was thinking about a whole lot to answer that question.
That's why you boy pausing right now. But it was,
you know, for me, it was like when you look
at social media, it really took a different approach. They
took a different approach starting around fifteen sixteen as far
as getting video content and giving you time to express yourself.
(03:41):
It all started out thirty seconds, then it went to
a minute. So I think that right there alone really
helped us kind of bridge the gap when we got
into it to go out. You're going to have your
own followers anyway, but to really spread the message of
understanding like how to be able to use social media
from that aspect, because so before that you really didn't
(04:04):
have an outlet. You know, you had to rely on
somebody else to share your story. But once they kind
of social media took that turn towards that, that really
really kind of gave us the high way to own
our way to heaven.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I would like to say, okay, I've heard that song
quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 6 (04:23):
Well, so we we both had a broadcast background, so
we went to broadcast boot camp, also broadcasting the Covery
College football I should say, got our nbas and Taequillo
had his book Behind the Mask. So when he had
his book, we did a few a tour in Atlanta,
went to New York, and what we realized is that
(04:46):
for us, for athletes, we use a masks for protection, right,
but an every day walk people have masks. You have
your mask cup, you have your guard up. Yeah, right,
until it's a commonality or you feel comfortable enough to
pull that mask down. So we walk in the room
and I don't know you you're probably not going to
talk off you know, off top, but if you're like,
oh this is my god, this is my man, right, like,
(05:06):
oh cool, you let that guard down, You let that
mask down. So we want to see who that person is,
the person that's cool enough to let you know who
they really are behind the mask. You know, we regarded
uh being former players as it is, and and the
fans don't know, the audience doesn't know. So for me,
I think it was a great concept for Tequilo. Uh
he had his book and then twenty nineteen the pandemic
(05:29):
probably see the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
We're like, you know what, let's meet people where there
at gays and you actually we talked about it two years.
I was like, man, I'm not doing at that time.
I'm going to London, you know, holding down Sky Sports. Yeah,
and I'm staying over there, you know, I'm like being compensated.
Well yeah, so I'm like, you start a podcast, man,
(05:50):
you're trying to break up my my scheduled throughout there.
So I kept I kept doing research, kept hearing it. Yeah,
and I was like, bro, let's do it. So we
did it. And then the world stopped yeah with the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And the thing about it that I appreciate is we
no different than the game of football. You go up
and down the university. We found a way to stay
relevant throughout that time period going back to twenty fifteen
sixteen when I started seeing a shift in social media.
So we utilize it, bro, And you know that really helped.
Nowhere do y'all normally?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Me at?
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Where do y'all hold the podcast?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
In Atlanta?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
In Atlanta?
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Okay, So we've had ours. Ours kind of started the
same way we've had. We're on our second season right now.
We've had a slur of former players on the show,
and we've traveled draft combine, owners meetings, super Bowl, like,
we've done it all. And I have my version of
(06:52):
favorite guests I have however long you guys have been
doing yours? How or excuse me? Who has been one
of your favorite guests that you've had on the podcast?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Say it?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
First name comes to mind? Who's the first name? All love?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Okay, oh, you sound like a parent now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Now you know what it is. It's so hard to
answer that because we don't just have football players or
basketball players. Like I immediately thought of, like one person who
I really appreciated because I did not know them was
Leila Ali. And then to turn around and have a
sit down with Kerry Hilson and we we ain't talking
(07:30):
about no sports at all, but we just chopping it
up about life.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, she had a couple of great bangers back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah you know she's coming back to ye. Yeah, she's
doing the thing man. But the connections that we have,
and I'm fascinated by learning. I love learning and just
to hear other people's you know, going through their adversity.
And it's no different than why I wrote the book
Behind the Mask. I wanted it was about some of
(07:58):
the greatest linebackers that play the game, and I wanted
to share their story of how did they become great,
what made them an out life. So when we talk
about guests, I look at her, I look at Lawrence
Taylor to be able to bring him out of the shadows,
and that was our podcast was the first one that
he did and so for him to to feel that way,
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I was like wow, you know what I mean. So
it's just a lot, man, a lot that I take
from it from everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
We had him the other day.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I think he's still.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
He was, yeah, intimidating.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah still I don't.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Think I think he's the one NFL player we walk around.
You got gold jackets here at the super Bowl. Everybody's here,
and it's like, yeah, nobody him. Absolutely, It's like he
is just knowing like, ugh, probably not. I ain't barking
up that you he won speed all day all.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Day, same thing.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
We had him on the on the show, and the
funniest part about that I think we had our audio
engineer was was micing him up so you know, you
have to lapel, you got to go remember that, you
got to go through the shirt. But he was so
nervous because his lawn's tail. He's sitting there shaking and
he's like he just drops. It's like, y'all paying this guy.
(09:13):
But you know, his the intimidation that he still hasn't
even in the conversation just of his greatness stuff. Yeah
you know what I mean, because you know, Okay, he's
an older guy now, you know what I mean, he's
but sixty something maybe just turned sixty Yeah, yeah, sixty five.
And you're like, all right, if I if I had to,
I probably could take him. I had to write a
younger guy. But you're like, I'm not even gonna try. Yeah,
(09:33):
lt Yeah, none of that smoke, none.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Of that, none of that.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Let me let me ask you this when you when
you wrote the book, what made you want to focus
on linebackers? Why not quarterbacks, receivers, dbs, D lineman? Why linebackers?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Well, it's, uh, linebackers first, because like that's that's what
I know. Yeah, and you know, And so it was
like from a business aspect, like why not I got
all of the connections I can reach out and touch
damn near everybody. So for me, I felt like I
wanted people to see it through our lens. How we
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see the game and play the game. We consider ourselves
the best athletes on the field. I'm sure you gentlemen
of you, I'm sure you're gonna you're definitely.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Nobody else thinks that.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Nobody else thinks that.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Because we have to, we have to play the run
the past, so does everybody else.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
On defense, Yeah, any difference, I think it's offensive lineman,
we never come off the field.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
You guys can sit in at about talking about the
DB's never come off the field either. DB's and linebackers
are the ones that don't.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Come off the packages and n that's more DB's. That's yeah,
you got a backer out there.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
You got yourself on this way. You're talking about rushers
day man, which I said, because it's got.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
I like, first of all, I figured you would say that.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Look, I've always been intrigued by the linebacker position, even
going as far back is, you know, watching guys like
Mike Singletary with the crazy eyes, and so.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah, it's for me.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I would like to know this though, to kill because
I've been told a couple of times I.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Got a big neck.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
You know what I mean, Uh, you have a ginormous neck, right,
And I always also tell people I was like, it's
because my head is kind of skinny.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Your head's kind of skinny too, Like our necks.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Really that much bigger? Or is it the head a
little bit skinnier? And then and then also I mean
the motivation behind it? Where comes the motive? Because I've
read this, I did a little research on it. I
want to know if that part is true. They were like,
why did you focus on trying to get a big neck?
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did you say you read about it right?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I did?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
People want to know. The people want to know. I
don't know why. Why did you want to focus on
having a big neck. But it wasn't It wasn't even
so much about having a big neck, not not majority
of it. Okay, all right, let's put it to bed
right here. So my high school coach told me, he
was like, look, hey, man, you know you're working your
neck muscles. You know that have reduced the risk of
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you having concussions. And so I'm like, cool. So I'm
doing neck exercise, putting a forty five pound plate on
my head, leaning off the bench, bringing it here to
my stern them and that was an upright rolls every day.
I'm doing that, bro, every day. So I never had
any you know, in my earlier years, Like I never
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had no shoulder problems, not even like like head problems
at that time. So for me, man, it was it
was about protection. And then the other part of it
too was I just feel like, as a linebacker, you
gotta have some type of look about you.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't really respect linebacker. They come in with a
skin in that. I'm just the same way how you
look at them receivers and you'd be like, oh, his
dress cold off.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Yeah, you go catch the ball on me, no gloves,
like he's.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So like that.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I just I'm I'm gonna fit the look you gonna
do that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
But for volume two, we don't have defensive backs behind
the mask. Okay, I like that. Yeah, yeah, I can
give you my phone up. I'll be the first one.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, we're gonna take a short break and we'll be
back in a minute.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
So let me here's here's something that else said. I
think the three of us have in common. We all
have master's degrees. And I didn't say any names. I
didn't say that school up North. Okay, I just yeah,
I didn't say no names. But anyway, I want to
know why y'all chose the University of Miami and how
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does that university tailor their program toward athletes feeling the gap.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
For me, it's a lot on the story. We basically
we took advantage of I mean what we had the
NFL player benefits. Yeah. I actually went back to school
and got my undergrad first because I heard about. That
was coming from him and another one of my best friends,
Carlos Simmons, and they was talking about, hey, man, we're
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going to get all masters and we can use the
benefits to be able to pay for it. And so
I'm like, man, and so I just that was the
first time out of a lot of conversations we had,
I felt like, y'all think y'all better than me? Right now?
Speaker 8 (14:26):
Yeah, So I was like, so they just excluded me
and kind of like turn their shoulder.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
In the group text. We didn't, we didn't signed up.
Me and call those signed up was hesitant and he
was like, we just gonna do it. So we signed up. Next,
you know, he's like, y'all signed up. He's like, yeah,
it's too late. He got his paperwork k hed and stuff,
and that he's y'all not gonna get y'all not.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Gonna get one aboard me.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I wasn't gonna let them hold one up. I think
it speaks of It speaks volumes about who we are.
And when I say we, I don't just say us,
like all of us. We always need that competitive spirit
and to be able to talk to each other and
drive you. Because I had no intentions from going back
to school at all. And you know when my mama,
she was glad about her and she was like, I
(15:24):
just love them boys tell him like, you better take
your black ass back and I'm like, mom, we gonna
be rich. Yeah, but you still need to learn how
to manage it. I said, well, I'll figure that out.
But to be completely honest with you, one of the
(15:45):
best decisions I've ever made in my life. Yeah, just
because it taught me a new way to think. It
taught me to be able to respect other people's background
and their thought process, see what's important to them culturally
when you just see we're in the classroom with people
(16:05):
from India, from you know, we had other athletes in there,
George will So it was just a diverse background. But
to be able to listen and learn that was cool
for me.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
And these people are smart people and the way they
think and the way you're presenting that that you gotta look,
when you're in a room of smart people, you're naturally
gonna get smarter because things are going to be said that.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Like, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yeah, And so what was probably one of the more
interesting time before we asked that I'm gonna go back
and get my my NBA.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
What's up.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Let's do it right now, let's.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Do it.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Competitive, let's do it. I'm not that competitive.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Come on, no, let's do it. Yeah, let's come on
to that's cap. Come on, man, you're fine.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
I got an a club ring.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, you know what, we all that I don't have
the same thing.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
We felt like, you know what you know with the
college is cool into the NFL obviously the top of
the top of one sent and all of that. But
then it was like, when we all retire, all done
playing ball, you still have that competitive something. You need
something to fuel that competitive edge, right, So this was
that thing. And it was fifteen some years later from
when we played ball. But now because all those myself
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and other athletes we all went, we still had the
camaraderie of the locker room. We still had brother Selene
on when we didn't understand a certain topic, I'm talking
about what eight hour days study hold? Hey man, you
had to relearn how to learn since you know what
I'm saying. It was like scar tissue being broken. This
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is going to be my question.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It was like these the things that this is what
I want to know the things that you thought has
probably changed you or you didn't even understand what's going
to be. So relearning how to learn, learning, how to learn,
like learning how to study again because I've studied a playbook. Yeah,
I went from studying books to like a playbook and
now try to get all these things to now be
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ready to study for it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That sounds like so much fun. We got to do it.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
It was fun though, And I think I think the
coolest thing though, is when you have to like present
in front of your class.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh yeah, like as athletes.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
We cool with going out balling in front of seventy
thousand people, but you got to sit in front the
class of fifty people and talk when I tell you
them nerves be racket callers.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Was up there sweating, We handle side.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
How many seconds you take you before we started?
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But it was dope man.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
And again you're holding each other accountable and no one
was still above the other.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Because he didn't want to look look on our LinkedIn
and see us say two ton camras NBA and his
not say that.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
How long is the process?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
It was a year and a and a half years.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Yeah, two years so it was in person or was it?
Speaker 6 (18:51):
So he de catered it around the NFL season, so
we would go during the off season in class yeah,
down to Miami and then when the guys had mini
camp training camp because it was still some active players there.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, Tory Smith, some of the guys, Mike, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
My boy went back. Yeah, Will got Jarry to go back.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
So yeah, I remember this very vividly.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
The thing I will talk about, though, is I'm bragging
myself a little bit, is to Keio working with the
SEC network. Could you talk about getting into that way?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
How did you get that job? How did you work?
I knew you were SEC Network.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I never heard of him.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Well, on his interview, he crushed it, but I was
over there feeding him assist. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
really just and I think I was share and we've
never done.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
The show together.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Uh, And it was just really cool to like, you know,
know him as a person, as a great player in
the NFL for all these years and now he's back
talking college football and he does.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
A great job of that.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
But it's also like really cool because it was like, man,
like I had this guy's back and I love seeing
him there, and I just wanted him to be more
and I think just having me there, it was just like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Okay, yeah, I appreciate that too, bro, you know what
I'm saying. I was gonna acknowledge that because it's the
little things in life. And so that was huge for
me because that was the first time me coming up there.
So I was like, I was like, you don't know
who's going to be interviewing you. And then when I
saw you was coming and it was intentional, Yeah, I
(20:25):
was like, my boy, No, I treat everything like like
that national anthem.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Get it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But nah, it really helped me though, And so and
what two years later now we still rocking and roll.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah, man, how have you How have you enjoyed doing
live TV? Because I don't think people understand doing live
TV versus a little stres recorded TV.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
How you enjoy that?
Speaker 5 (20:51):
What are some of the things that you have that
you didn't know before that you know now? And then
maybe kind of talk about the show you do the
listen ling on.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Super dope. First year I did every game on Saturday,
Like I can't look at the game and just say,
oh man, Tennessee. They couldn't stop the run. It's so generic,
water down, and so that's what I had to learn
how to do on live TV. But this is the killer.
You'd be like, oh, all right, that's easy, you can
(21:23):
do that. You got to be concise.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah, and you got team games on the.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So bro we had to relearn how to learn again.
Yeah and so but by mid season I really caught
my stride. That went well, got them reps. Got the reps, man,
It's all about getting the reps. They gave me more confidence,
you know. And every every week I'm tweaking the schedule
as far as timing and everything, trying to make sure
I'm ready for Saturday. Year two, which was this past
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year live TV. I still do it. Love it. I
love having my own show. So they were ESPN saw
fit to it. Hey, you want the opportunity to have
your own show, it will be called out of pocket.
And I was like, well, it's not really my own show.
Then if you're telling me what it is, no but.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
My name for my show, I.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Guess that's what happened. But nah, I was like, I'm down,
so get in. And it's a lifestyle reality, not a
reality but a lifestyle athletic sports show and myself a
listen Lane love of to Death. Like I knew she
knew football just from looking at the network, but to
sit down with her, she went into depth detail and
(22:42):
I'm talking about like Mina Chhimes, like yeah, yeah, like
I respect Mena Chimes her analysis. So when I when
I sat down beside to listen Lang, I was like, man,
we hit it off. And I actually did my first
show with her, So that's what gave me a level
of comfortability too as well. But we hit it off.
We have it's almost the same as what we're doing
(23:03):
here on out of Pocket. Yeah, you know, we'll go
back and look at the weeks and see what players
probably got maybe got stiffed, armed or something. We make
fun in light of it to where it's not a
heavy football show, and then we have fun, we laugh,
but then also we have certain segments to where okay,
now let's look at this fourth and thirty one over
here and see what happened at Auburn and then why
(23:24):
they gave that up, you know what I mean. So
it's a good mixture, and for me, I thought it
was a perfect balance for me. So as far as
Live TV and the show, I have now love it man,
looking forward to doing it again.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
We'll be back in a minute. What do you like
about the podcast versus TV?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
For me?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
When I brought I did some broadcasting with covering college
football as well. For me, I like the podcast because
it's even more authentic, right with our guests, with obviously
myself and to kill you get the real interaction right
so live TV when he broadcast in the studio, you
(24:08):
know the studio panel. Obviously in a game. When I
covered college football, you like the game. But if I'm
covering it the college the game, excuse me, and it's
a blowout going on, you get bored. So when he
was covering remember there were times we would text each
other when he was broadcasting with back another network and
I was covering ball, he just boring, man, you know
what I mean? As far as former athletes, we know
(24:30):
good football, but you see bad football kind of gotta
get charged up.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
For me, the podcast with your guess, you always charged
up because there's always something that's always a nugget. There's
always now a clip that's going to go viral. It's
something that you're going to find out from your from
your guests that you're like, you know what, that's our
touchdown when he says it. In the back of our mind,
we was sitting there like, this is it?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
We got it, we got goal and for me like that,
So is.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
That the most gratifying part of the podcast for you
guys personally is like getting that clip like ooh that
was it? Is that the most gratifying or is it
just letting people tell their story or.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
For me, it's letting people tell their story, right, because
you got guys like we had John Abraham. One haven't
heard from him for years, Jamal Lewis, people haven't heard
from him for years. Lt like Tequillo said Charles Barkley,
Eric Dickerson, some of the legends. Right, the most gratifying
part is when the the interview was over, the episode
(25:30):
is over, and they're like, you know what, I appreciated that.
I never would have had this conversation with anybody else.
But I felt like I was back in the locker room.
It felt good, It felt natural. It didn't feel like
an interview. Like the interview. It felt like I was
chopping it up with my boys, and I'm like Yo,
that's what it is. And we got guys that cry.
Kerry Hilson cried, John Hell, I cried, he cried, I cried,
you know what I mean. So when when you have
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that authentic vulnerable space, but you still feel you find comfortable,
comfortability and being vulnerable amongst your peers, that's the most
gratifying part, you know what I mean, Because we're not
going to take your story and spin it like some
media just to get a clip. No, no, no, We're going
to tell a story like you want it sold. Because
you're the author of your own autobiography. It's your narrative.
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How you want it perceived, that's how it's going to
be perceived.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
So that rome literally across every every podcast I do
because I cried when I laugh, So every every podcast,
he cried, You do that all the time, all the time,
every episode, he cries.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
I feel that it's.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Really you know, as we alpha males man, you know,
I don't want to you don't want to show your
vulnerability all the time because it's perceived as weakness.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
I saw the John aram Uh podcast and that was
that was a powerful one.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
It was real.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
It was so real, and the whole suffering in silence,
and I I commend you too for giving him a
safe space and pouring into him and letting him pour
into y'all with with what he was going through at that.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Time, because when he said those things, it was just like,
what did I did?
Speaker 7 (27:16):
I just hear that, right, And at the time, when
you know he was playing, he was that dude in
Atlanta and then.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I just remember him flamboyant, not flamboyant, but like very
bright tattoos.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You could just see it from the sideline.
Speaker 7 (27:27):
Yeah, I just was I don't know, man, y'all y'all
did a hell of a job on that interview with him.
So I just want to say, Yo, that was that
was That was a dope interview.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Didn't even have any idea it was going to go
that way. That's that's the other part I like about
I love Live TV, but I also loved the podcast,
probably a little more because it's the unexpected, like we
had to shut down shop and you know, because this
dude here was just hard headed. Man, I feel something
(28:00):
fell a little tightness, you know, And after like a
couple of weeks, he was like, hey, man, want you
just go get checked out?
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now What he didn't say was he had a limp.
It was a lump, yeah, lump and is growing. We
kept myself callos him and it's got to a point,
what a year and a half later? Yeah, year, little
bit over year maybe he went to the doctor, found
out he had limph on and like it was wow.
(28:28):
It like totally can't curse on Hill, but you don't
want me to curse. I was stup, bro, Yeah, like
I was. When he called me.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I was like.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I couldn't even breathe, bro, and I keep it together,
kept it together for him, and uh, he actually knew
when we came out here we're not here. But at
Super Bowl last year, I was like you sure you
want to do this?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
He was like, yeah, I wanted.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I got it. He was like I need to do
it because it was I was like, man, we just
don't have to do anything. But going back to the
storytelling to John Abraham, you know, to hear him share
his story on why he came out and decide to
do it, because this was a lot of people who
thought he's still close to them, but they felt offended
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because he didn't tell anybody. He didn't want that emotional
trauma to follow him and so to be able to
look at what we do totality wise. That's what makes
me love doing the podcast sector so much, getting those
stories and him just being a man about it and
shedding light on it for all of us to know.
(29:42):
So that look, guys, man, I know we tough, and
I like to play dumb tough, and I listen, I'd
say it all, but at the end of the day,
you got to get checked. You can't pour it from
no empty cup. And if you ain't right, ain't nobody
right preaching quote right there?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
I mean, oh, man, you know he's from the South, bro.
So I see it feels like you guys have really
found your lane in this whole podcast space. And it
starts because you guys generally care about each other. Clearly
(30:19):
we can see that. And so as this thing continues
to roll down the Interstate Highway, how do you continue
to expand?
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Like what is next?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
And because I know that's how most of us are wired,
it's like, all right, once I get here, it's like,
you know, getting to the league was the goal. Then
when you get there, like how do I get to
a Pro Bowl? How do I get paid? Or how
do like what's the next And so as this lane
continues to roll on for you guys, I want to
know what's next in you guys's minds.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's two part. I'll start first.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
They started first.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Maybe because it was my idea. First stop crying, I will.
I think it's uh, you know, continue to make bigger
and meaningful sponsorships, to be able to become syndicated on
a bigger platform, to be able to leverage those partnerships
(31:18):
and do some meaningful things, have meaningful conversations as we
go around the country, you know. So for me, that's
the big thing is just making sure that we continue
to grow scale as much as we can, yeah, you know,
and you know, and everything else to take care of yourself.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
From that part, yeah, And I think that the dopest
part is it's not just a podcast as a media
company behind the mass media. So from going to broadcast
boot camp, from getting our MBA's like all right to
your point earlier, anybody could do a podcast right on
the whole building, own the whole building, on your content,
as opposed to sitting there and saying, okay, we want
(31:54):
to just be on this platform. It's like, nah, you
know what this doesn't seem right, reill license it to you. Yeah,
you know you just not just gonna have our stuff
sitting up there, like like, let's make this a business
partnership with deal you. We're not going to work for you,
We'll work with you. And also telling continuing to tell
the stories, particularly from my guys right, because there's so
many people that tell us, like, you know what, I
(32:16):
didn't know you were going through that, but I appreciate
you talking about it because I was going through it too.
I had these same thoughts of what life after football
is like. I had these sating thoughts of you know,
possible suicide or I had something going on with my
health but I didn't check it. But because you checked
your health and you were vulnerable and shared that, I
(32:36):
went to the doctor too. So now I'm good. You
know what I'm saying, because again, like Takio said, a
year that was dumb freaking year. It took him and
call those cursing me out saying what he's wrong with?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
You? Get your checked, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6 (32:48):
And when I finally did and find out like something
was really going on, if it wasn't for my brothers
checking me, I probably stay it would have been another
year and then it went from as opposed to the
stage two, stage three or for you know what I mean.
So being that voice for the brotherhood, for the brothers
that feel like they don't have a voice, but they
(33:09):
got ears, they can still hear it, they can listen,
they can feel it, you know what I mean. Sometime
that resonates in wherever they're at in their lives. So
I think that's the thing for me. And I was
like to kill said, just continue to scale the business
and growing it as large as he possibly can and
taking it as far as this thing can go. I mean,
it's enough. It's enough if it's the money's the goal.
(33:31):
There's enough money out there for everybody. Like you said,
everybody's you know a lot of people are doing podcasts,
but Bro's it's you have a different story. You got
a different story. I have a different story. This guy's story.
He hated me because I was from New York until
he got cool and me he's like, I I like him.
It's a different story.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Trust casts from New York.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Growing up like nah, they talk too fast.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah man, but yeah, man, just continue to share these stories.
I think that's the most important thing because otherwise, you know,
out for meals, were.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Holding it in. Yeah, we're not letting it out.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
So we have a space where we can let it
out and be comfortable letting it out because we know
that we're not gonna judge each other. That's an amazing feeling.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Yeah, so we're all four of us is a room
where that what top less than one percent?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
To make it to the NFL.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
We've had success on the field, success off the field.
Clearly you guys, bachelor's degrees, NBA's to us, to us
three over here, I want to.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
That's a hard line right there, A hard line right there.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Dog.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
What I really want to know is four people, of
around four people on Mount Rushmore? Who would you put
on that on? By four people? Who would you put
on Mount Rushmore? To help you get to where you
are right now? Two times you go first? My mother, Okay,
obviously that's my rock, my son.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
Yeah, because he's my first born and I knew when
I got to the league that was my motivation. I
say my grandmother because she told me when I was young.
I said, she said, what do you want to do?
I said, I don't want to go to the NFL.
Play football professionally, She's like, just do it. It's not
that easy, Grammy, just do it. You want to do it,
do it, And that stuck with me in terms of
(35:21):
how I approach life. I feel I can do anything
a girl because for me, my kids are the people
that to you to motivate me. So when I feel
like I want to give up, is like, nah, I
can't give up. When I feel like I this ain't
(35:42):
gonna be right now, you're doing it for something bigger
than yourself. So for me, it's it's family, you know.
I mean the shout out to every obvious coaches and
people that tell me along the lines, but definitely for
me my family.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, man, it's somewhat of the same thing. Like I
get more specific, my mother, father, they my father introduced
me to the game. He's passed now. He introduced me
to the game, taught me how to be a man
and how to carry yourself. My mother like the all
(36:16):
the fire inside of me, Like I get it from her.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
She calls it a controlled aggression.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I like that, you know. So, uh, those two definitely
man for kind of carving me out into the man
who I am. I would also say my high school coach,
his entire staff, but him coming with the vision to
a small rural town and making you believe that you
(36:49):
can be whatever you want to achieve, and I him.
And then lastly I would say my daughter, you know,
love that the joker man love them. Yeah, Like she's
shown me it's a different side. It's like it's a
(37:11):
totally different side that always keeps me evolving. And I
feel like that's what keeps me young. Not saying that
I need more, but it's just you know how it
is dealing with women. You know, they just they be sometimes,
then they be here and then they love on you
and then you know, it's just a different mixed array
(37:33):
of emotions. But she's taught me how, like all right,
sit down and listen to it. It made me also
realize how much I probably didn't listen before her.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But we don't say this for the firecast, but out
of those four, those four people, they've been very instrumental,
so they would definitely be you on mind round Mountain Rushmore.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
That's beautiful, fellas. We appreciate y'all man coming on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
This is dope, man.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
This was kind of behind the mask.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's just really behind the masks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Man, we appreciate you having it too long enough for me,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, Man, we seen y'all last year.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
We cross paths now, we were together. You know what
I'm saying. I appreciate it. That's it, man, I like it.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
So whenever y'all want us to come through like or
the NBA crew, I can't.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I'm going back.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I think I'm gonna do it. I'm no cap, no
bullet like.
Speaker 7 (38:33):
I'm like, wait all, y'allmost like Yo, I got a masters,
but I ain't got no mving like I'm thinking about room.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep pouring into you. But
do it, man. I like that.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
You're gonna be great. You're gonna be great. All right, man,
let's get about it here. Man, all of our listeners
and viewers, thank you.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Man.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
This has been another special one between two and Teqio. Man,
y'all go check come out at Behind the Mask. They
do great things on their pod man and you can
check them out on YouTube. They're on social media, Instagram
and all that other things, so y'all please go check
them out support man, because this is what this whole
thing is really is about us brothers as former NFL players,
this fraternity leaning on each other, love them one another,
(39:17):
understanding that these talks we got to continue to have them.
These are free spaces, open spaces to really open up
and can talk about these things that we normally don't
ever talk about. So thank you for that, Man, and
all of our listeners viewers, make sure you give us
a five star rating, give us a follow.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
A click, like, comment, and share. Thank you so much
for that.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Magan.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
And Hey, wherever you listen to your podcast Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio,
please tell a friend to tell a friend to do
web Peanut, tell a friend.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
All right, man, get us up.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
Hey, I'm Peanut with the NFL player Second Acts podcast
and that's behind the mass in their podcast.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Go check them out. We out Fellas and Ladies.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
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