June 4, 2025 • 9 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A twenty nine year old female is in morality Monday
in the arena today, she said, I was supposed to
get married last year, but my fiance and I ended
up breaking things off a few months before the wedding.
It was mutual, no drama, just a realization that we
weren't compatible long term. The thing is, I'd already bought
my wedding dress custom made. It cost me nearly four
(00:22):
thousand dollars. I know that's a lot. I paid for
it entirely myself, and it meant a lot to me.
After the breakup, I packed it up and put it
in storage. Haven't been ready to sell it or do
anything with it. It's emotional. And here's where it gets Massy,
my younger sister, who is twenty four, so she's twenty nine.
Sister's twenty four, recently got engaged when I was super closed.
Kind of different people, and she's always been a bit entitled, honestly.
(00:45):
She came over a few weeks ago, saw the dress
when we were organizing my storage closet and asked if
she could have it for her wedding. I kind of
laughed and said, oh no, that's mine. She had annoyed
and said, but you're not even getting married, You're gonna
let that thing sitting rod in a box. I told
her again, no, it's personal to me, and even though
I'm not using it now, I'm not giving it away.
She asked if she could buy it at a discount,
(01:07):
and I said I wasn't ready to sell it, and
she threw a fit, called me selfish and said that
I was being dramatic over just a dress. Our mom
is now involved and she thinks I should give it
to her as a gesture of sisterly love and because
it's going to go to waste. But I honestly feel
like she's only asking because she doesn't want to pay
for one herself, and she's not exactly struggling financially. So
(01:30):
now I have my sister and my mom acting like
I'm heartless and petty for not handing it over. But
it feels like a boundary that I want to keep
her dress. She didn't have to give a tame by
end of story. Next anything else, I mean, it probably
is going to go to waste. I mean not that
she's never going to get married, but if she does,
will she use that dress?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Maybe she might or change her mind and pick something else,
but the dress.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I assume you know she had the vision of the dress.
The dress doesn't dependent on the person that she's marrying.
But when she was having distress fitted and made and everything,
it was with the intensive marrying someone who she's now
not marrying. So is that the dress she's gonna want
to wear when she marries someone else someday? I don't know.
But it's her dress. She paid for it, it's her.
She doesn't have to give it to anyone.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
If you're brought in the box all at once, like, no,
you're not entitled to it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The sister is a weirdo in my opinion, because out
of all the dresses in America or wherever, or wherever
they reside, you want the dresses in my closet with
my hurt, pain and tears attached to you are weird?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Why don't you put me in that position exactly?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Like you know that I intended to wear that dress
to get married to someone, and now it's like, well
I want it, so I should have it, And then
for the mom to get involved and be like, yeah,
she's weird too. Eight five three five Jason, I feel
like you would just give it to her. I mean
that's because that's you.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't think she's entitled to it.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But if someone I mean, if someone wanted anything from me,
I probably would just give it to them. But like, yeah,
I don't think it's weird that she feels that she's
entitled to a dress, Like that's crazy wild.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, it's her dress, it's her style, it's her dress design.
So if she does get married someday, maybe she will
wear it because the dress is not necessarily attached to
the person. You know, it was her vision, I mean
attached to her, but not to the person she was marrying. Yeah, right, Like,
so while the memory is there, if she gets married
the next few years and the dress still fits her
and looks, I mean that's you know you have. The
(03:27):
way I understand it is that women typically, you guys,
have a vision for your wedding day that isn't necessarily
hinged to the person that you're marrying. Because you developed
this as like a child, right Like, as you grow
up and watch movies and go to other people's weddings
and stuff, you're like, oh, I want to wedd but
you don't even know who you're gonna marry yet, oftentimes
when you envision what it is that you want. Calyn's
had this this tpee forest thing since she met anybody. Yeah,
(03:52):
she's dated several people since she had the tepfore revelation.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Why do you have?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I mean it's fair, right, I mean I've known you
for almost ten years and you dated many people, but
you've always had the forest TP wedding revelation.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
I mean, I I don't know if i'd do it anymore.
It feels like a little played out at this point.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
But because you've been speaking too publicly about it, that's
the thing. You've been telling everyone you want the forest
TP wedding, and everyone's doing it. It's it's the reason
why you got to keep your dress locked up that
you've already had made. Yeah. Oh yeah, because you wouldn't
have anyone to see it, especially your sister.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah no, she's not wearing that, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I know you have like a sort of a mixed
concept of whether you want to actually be married or not. Yeah,
So it's like, you know, you got to keep that
for yourself. Okay, let's say you did have a dress
for some reason from another previous relationship, and your sister
came to you and said, I want that. It was
custom made for you, it was your vision. Are you going
to give it to her?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
I feel like a wedding I mean, there's not a
lot I wouldn't do for her, as you know, but
I feel like a wedding dress is so personal.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
First of all, she's five nine and I'm like barely
five six, so it would be cropped.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
Right, yeah, like it yours on her, like you know,
her ankles would be out.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
But no, I think it's deeply personal, and I would
get very upset with people telling me like how I
need to handle something that I paid for with my
own money, that I made to fit my body, like
it's weirdo energy like Keiki said. So no, it's a
no for me.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Dog.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
But I'll go with you, like I'll help you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean you'll move out of your house for
six months so she can go in and then you'll
live on the street. But as far as the wedding
dress is concerned.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Actually in my fashion, no, No.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean it's oldest child syndrome. I let me see this.
What does that mean I'm the oldest child?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What are they telling me?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Oh? The babies get everything, literally and figuratively.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
See something like this happening in my house too, But
I wonder what my mom would do.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Fighting over dress, right, yeah, I mean I've had I've
had a custom made wedding dress for many years ago.
I've been thinking about, you know, just whenever that time comes.
I've had this vision and if it's is not going
to change, it's a beautiful dress.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Whether we look Kyle, would you do well? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, long train and obviously bright white if whist can be,
you know, because that's what I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I've been to many I've been to weddings and people
that I slept with and they were wearing white. Okay,
so okay, okay, they're walking down the aisle.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
About You're not pure, missy, you can't.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
But of course I didn't say that out loud. Good.
I was tempted to. I was tempted to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
She walked out the aisle with her fiancee standing up there,
you know, husband to be, who doesn't know that we
hooked up.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I know, I know, I'm really messed up. Wouldn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if in
my family that I would see. My sister gets everything
she wants, uh, for the most part, But I wouldn't
say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so. But my
mom's not. I think she likes me better. So there's that.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
But yeah, no, but my is my sister stuff because
it's for the kids. Like everything she's doing, let's be honest,
everything my mom loves my sister. But everything she's doing
these days is leverage to get in with the kids.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And like, the more accidents she gets, the more stuff
shows up on my sister's front door, the less actions
she gets, the less stuff shows up on my sister's
front door.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
That's how it works. Lexi, Hi, Hi, how are you guys? Hey?
Good morning, so morale Monday.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
On a Wednesday, Big sister has a custom wedding dress.
Little sister saw it and said, and when big sister's
not getting married anymore, Little sister saw it and said,
give me that, and she said no, And now mom
and little sister are mad about it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What do you think.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
I think the mom and sister are in the wrong
because the dress is a personal thing. Is somebody like
we just got married, not that long ago. I still
have my dress. I am thinking about doing something with it. So, yeah,
she may not be using it now, but there's a
possibility maybe she wants to. I don't know who knows
what she'll do with it, but it's still her dress.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right want you wouldn't she want your own dress?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Like it's your day, your thing. Go get your own dress, right.
Stop being a weird bro.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
It's from the special thing in the world to go
and do the dress shopping. You know, it's it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
That's right, Lexi.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You're only gonna do it maybe two or three times
your whole life, so you know it's right.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I hope it's only once. Thank you, Lexi, you have
a good day.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You two.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Sophia says two birds, one for the sister, one for
the mom. It's her dress. She paid four grand for it.
Her sister can pound sand Another texto, yeah, absolutely not.
I hope she keeps it until she wants to use it.
The audacity of that person is wild. Sounds like her
sister is being dramatic. But I do wonder, like how
many times have you given your friend or a family
(08:41):
member an idea or said something about something, and then
they go do it. It's like, here's my idea for
a dress, I had it made, well, I want that.
I mean, have you ever had that where you gave
you said, oh, I want to name my you know,
first daughter, Marie, or I want to name my first
dog Spot or whatever, and then all of a sudden,
here comes best friend with Spot and you're like, wait,
wait one minute, wait what I just told you that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, people get really mad about that, and I get it,
Like i'd be frustrated too if somebody's like, here's my
daughter Gigi after I just said I'm gonna name my
kid Gabrielle rgg.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
But like, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
For me, it's like I don't get mad at that
kind of stuff as much as the normal person does.
Like I have a friend who got a car and
like another friend was like, oh, I want that car,
and then like the one got the car or something,
the other one got mad and I was just like,
but like, you guys are like two different households, like
same car, respond.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, car and a baby.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
I feel like a baby name, yeah, but like at
the same time, like, what are the odds of me
like still communicating with a certain person, like thirty years later,
Like I'm gonna have my daughter forever, but like what
if I'm no longer friends with you know, Jonathan, God forbid?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Right, we're not friends anymore? He has a daughter named
Gigi Doo.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Like I always wanted that PT Cruiser and then probably
got it doing this, and now i can't have a
PT Cruiser anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I'm so mad. I know what didn't stop copying.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I wanted was a PT Cruise. All I wanted was
a Mini Cooper and then one day rowing up in
her Mini Cooper and
A twenty nine year old female is in morality Monday
in the arena today, she said, I was supposed to
get married last year, but my fiance and I ended
up breaking things off a few months before the wedding.
It was mutual, no drama, just a realization that we
weren't compatible long term. The thing is, I'd already bought
my wedding dress custom made. It cost me nearly four
(00:22):
thousand dollars. I know that's a lot. I paid for
it entirely myself, and it meant a lot to me.
After the breakup, I packed it up and put it
in storage. Haven't been ready to sell it or do
anything with it. It's emotional. And here's where it gets Massy,
my younger sister, who is twenty four, so she's twenty nine.
Sister's twenty four, recently got engaged when I was super closed.
Kind of different people, and she's always been a bit entitled, honestly.
(00:45):
She came over a few weeks ago, saw the dress
when we were organizing my storage closet and asked if
she could have it for her wedding. I kind of
laughed and said, oh no, that's mine. She had annoyed
and said, but you're not even getting married, You're gonna
let that thing sitting rod in a box. I told
her again, no, it's personal to me, and even though
I'm not using it now, I'm not giving it away.
She asked if she could buy it at a discount,
(01:07):
and I said I wasn't ready to sell it, and
she threw a fit, called me selfish and said that
I was being dramatic over just a dress. Our mom
is now involved and she thinks I should give it
to her as a gesture of sisterly love and because
it's going to go to waste. But I honestly feel
like she's only asking because she doesn't want to pay
for one herself, and she's not exactly struggling financially. So
(01:30):
now I have my sister and my mom acting like
I'm heartless and petty for not handing it over. But
it feels like a boundary that I want to keep
her dress. She didn't have to give a tame by
end of story. Next anything else, I mean, it probably
is going to go to waste. I mean not that
she's never going to get married, but if she does,
will she use that dress?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Maybe she might or change her mind and pick something else,
but the dress.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I assume you know she had the vision of the dress.
The dress doesn't dependent on the person that she's marrying.
But when she was having distress fitted and made and everything,
it was with the intensive marrying someone who she's now
not marrying. So is that the dress she's gonna want
to wear when she marries someone else someday? I don't know.
But it's her dress. She paid for it, it's her.
She doesn't have to give it to anyone.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
If you're brought in the box all at once, like, no,
you're not entitled to it.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
The sister is a weirdo in my opinion, because out
of all the dresses in America or wherever, or wherever
they reside, you want the dresses in my closet with
my hurt, pain and tears attached to you are weird?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Why don't you put me in that position exactly?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Like you know that I intended to wear that dress
to get married to someone, and now it's like, well
I want it, so I should have it, And then
for the mom to get involved and be like, yeah,
she's weird too. Eight five three five Jason, I feel
like you would just give it to her. I mean
that's because that's you.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
I don't think she's entitled to it.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
But if someone I mean, if someone wanted anything from me,
I probably would just give it to them. But like, yeah,
I don't think it's weird that she feels that she's
entitled to a dress, Like that's crazy wild.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, it's her dress, it's her style, it's her dress design.
So if she does get married someday, maybe she will
wear it because the dress is not necessarily attached to
the person. You know, it was her vision, I mean
attached to her, but not to the person she was marrying. Yeah, right, Like,
so while the memory is there, if she gets married
the next few years and the dress still fits her
and looks, I mean that's you know you have. The
(03:27):
way I understand it is that women typically, you guys,
have a vision for your wedding day that isn't necessarily
hinged to the person that you're marrying. Because you developed
this as like a child, right Like, as you grow
up and watch movies and go to other people's weddings
and stuff, you're like, oh, I want to wedd but
you don't even know who you're gonna marry yet, oftentimes
when you envision what it is that you want. Calyn's
had this this tpee forest thing since she met anybody. Yeah,
(03:52):
she's dated several people since she had the tepfore revelation.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Why do you have?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I mean it's fair, right, I mean I've known you
for almost ten years and you dated many people, but
you've always had the forest TP wedding revelation.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
I mean, I I don't know if i'd do it anymore.
It feels like a little played out at this point.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
But because you've been speaking too publicly about it, that's
the thing. You've been telling everyone you want the forest
TP wedding, and everyone's doing it. It's it's the reason
why you got to keep your dress locked up that
you've already had made. Yeah. Oh yeah, because you wouldn't
have anyone to see it, especially your sister.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah no, she's not wearing that, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I know you have like a sort of a mixed
concept of whether you want to actually be married or not. Yeah,
So it's like, you know, you got to keep that
for yourself. Okay, let's say you did have a dress
for some reason from another previous relationship, and your sister
came to you and said, I want that. It was
custom made for you, it was your vision. Are you going
to give it to her?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
I feel like a wedding I mean, there's not a
lot I wouldn't do for her, as you know, but
I feel like a wedding dress is so personal.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
First of all, she's five nine and I'm like barely
five six, so it would be cropped.
Speaker 7 (04:55):
Right, yeah, like it yours on her, like you know,
her ankles would be out.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
But no, I think it's deeply personal, and I would
get very upset with people telling me like how I
need to handle something that I paid for with my
own money, that I made to fit my body, like
it's weirdo energy like Keiki said. So no, it's a
no for me.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Dog.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
But I'll go with you, like I'll help you.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I mean you'll move out of your house for
six months so she can go in and then you'll
live on the street. But as far as the wedding
dress is concerned.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Actually in my fashion, no, No.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I mean it's oldest child syndrome. I let me see this.
What does that mean I'm the oldest child?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
What are they telling me?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Oh? The babies get everything, literally and figuratively.
Speaker 8 (05:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
See something like this happening in my house too, But
I wonder what my mom would do.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Fighting over dress, right, yeah, I mean I've had I've
had a custom made wedding dress for many years ago.
I've been thinking about, you know, just whenever that time comes.
I've had this vision and if it's is not going
to change, it's a beautiful dress.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Whether we look Kyle, would you do well? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, long train and obviously bright white if whist can be,
you know, because that's what I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I've been to many I've been to weddings and people
that I slept with and they were wearing white. Okay,
so okay, okay, they're walking down the aisle.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
About You're not pure, missy, you can't.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
But of course I didn't say that out loud. Good.
I was tempted to. I was tempted to.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
She walked out the aisle with her fiancee standing up there,
you know, husband to be, who doesn't know that we
hooked up.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I know, I know, I'm really messed up. Wouldn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yes, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if in
my family that I would see. My sister gets everything
she wants, uh, for the most part, But I wouldn't
say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so. But my
mom's not. I think she likes me better. So there's that.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
But yeah, no, but my is my sister stuff because
it's for the kids. Like everything she's doing, let's be honest,
everything my mom loves my sister. But everything she's doing
these days is leverage to get in with the kids.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And like, the more accidents she gets, the more stuff
shows up on my sister's front door, the less actions
she gets, the less stuff shows up on my sister's
front door.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
That's how it works. Lexi, Hi, Hi, how are you guys? Hey?
Good morning, so morale Monday.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
On a Wednesday, Big sister has a custom wedding dress.
Little sister saw it and said, and when big sister's
not getting married anymore, Little sister saw it and said,
give me that, and she said no, And now mom
and little sister are mad about it.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What do you think.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
I think the mom and sister are in the wrong
because the dress is a personal thing. Is somebody like
we just got married, not that long ago. I still
have my dress. I am thinking about doing something with it. So, yeah,
she may not be using it now, but there's a
possibility maybe she wants to. I don't know who knows
what she'll do with it, but it's still her dress.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Right want you wouldn't she want your own dress?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Like it's your day, your thing. Go get your own dress, right.
Stop being a weird bro.
Speaker 8 (08:03):
It's from the special thing in the world to go
and do the dress shopping. You know, it's it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
That's right, Lexi.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You're only gonna do it maybe two or three times
your whole life, so you know it's right.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I hope it's only once. Thank you, Lexi, you have
a good day.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You two.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Sophia says two birds, one for the sister, one for
the mom. It's her dress. She paid four grand for it.
Her sister can pound sand Another texto, yeah, absolutely not.
I hope she keeps it until she wants to use it.
The audacity of that person is wild. Sounds like her
sister is being dramatic. But I do wonder, like how
many times have you given your friend or a family
(08:41):
member an idea or said something about something, and then
they go do it. It's like, here's my idea for
a dress, I had it made, well, I want that.
I mean, have you ever had that where you gave
you said, oh, I want to name my you know,
first daughter, Marie, or I want to name my first
dog Spot or whatever, and then all of a sudden,
here comes best friend with Spot and you're like, wait,
wait one minute, wait what I just told you that.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, people get really mad about that, and I get it,
Like i'd be frustrated too if somebody's like, here's my
daughter Gigi after I just said I'm gonna name my
kid Gabrielle rgg.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
But like, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
For me, it's like I don't get mad at that
kind of stuff as much as the normal person does.
Like I have a friend who got a car and
like another friend was like, oh, I want that car,
and then like the one got the car or something,
the other one got mad and I was just like,
but like, you guys are like two different households, like
same car, respond.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Well, car and a baby.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
I feel like a baby name, yeah, but like at
the same time, like, what are the odds of me
like still communicating with a certain person, like thirty years later,
Like I'm gonna have my daughter forever, but like what
if I'm no longer friends with you know, Jonathan, God forbid?
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Right, we're not friends anymore? He has a daughter named
Gigi Doo.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Like I always wanted that PT Cruiser and then probably
got it doing this, and now i can't have a
PT Cruiser anymore.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I'm so mad. I know what didn't stop copying.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I wanted was a PT Cruise. All I wanted was
a Mini Cooper and then one day rowing up in
her Mini Cooper and
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If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
True Crime Tonight
If you eat, sleep, and breathe true crime, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT is serving up your nightly fix. Five nights a week, KT STUDIOS & iHEART RADIO invite listeners to pull up a seat for an unfiltered look at the biggest cases making headlines, celebrity scandals, and the trials everyone is watching. With a mix of expert analysis, hot takes, and listener call-ins, TRUE CRIME TONIGHT goes beyond the headlines to uncover the twists, turns, and unanswered questions that keep us all obsessed—because, at TRUE CRIME TONIGHT, there’s a seat for everyone. Whether breaking down crime scene forensics, scrutinizing serial killers, or debating the most binge-worthy true crime docs, True Crime Tonight is the fresh, fast-paced, and slightly addictive home for true crime lovers.