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December 4, 2025 31 mins

Fred tells us about a bear that refuses to leave a man's home in California! Plus, Fred doesn't believe couples that say they never argue!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Wait wait, wait.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Wait, Bridget, good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
How you doing? Welcome to the show. Fun fact about
you is I.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Am running a marathon?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
So what is what is your mental disorder? It makes
you want to run the marathon?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Like?

Speaker 1 (00:48):
What is actually wrong with you? Freads Show is on.
I really don't know why people do marathons. I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I mean I get the whole. Well maybe I do,
Maybe I do understand a little bit. It's like, right,
what do you mean putably a ruck?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I don't understand all people?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
You should.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
You're a runner, it's your thing. Yeah, you are a runner.
Though you run more than I do, so runs more
than means a runner?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
If I run, you mean like swift somewhere between a
swift walk and.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
A roll or something. I don't even know how you
just tumble.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm not sure how you describe it, Like a controlled
fall forward is kind of more what it is. I
get that you set out for a goal. You're like,
I'm gonna I'm gonna run twenty eight point what is it?
Twenty eight point twenty six share something like that. I
should know since apparently when you run a marathon you
get to put a bumper sticker on the back of
your car too, which, fine, go right ahead. If you

(01:47):
did that, then put a bumper sticker on your car
where the metal for the rest of your life where
the bib frame the bib Yes, I don't I don't
care what you do with it. But I get that
you set out to accomplish this goal and then you
go do it. But I mean, I see what people.
People cry during it. You know, they poop themselves, they
you know, they hobble away, they're they're sitting in salt
baths for a week after. Maybe being a little dramatic,

(02:10):
but you know what I mean, I don't know you
can say you did it? Is that what it is?
So I can be like I did it. I ran
from here to O'Hare.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
I don't know. Yeah, I feel like it is.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
I think it's just for bragging rights, and I'm assuming
there's some health benefits.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
To you, but I can't I don't know. I can't
speak on that at all.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
But I think maybe the training there's a health benefit.
And I don't know what I'm talking about. I mean,
it's got to be. It can't be good for it
can't be bad for your cardiovascular and it can't be
bad for your body to movement and whatever. God, I
hope Gideon the trainer's not listening right now because you'll
call in here and set me straight because he's run
fourteen in the last twelve minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
But at long term, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I wonder like you're gonna have any knees left and
your back and I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
It's like I felt more injured when I was running
during the summer than when I when I haven't run
for two weeks.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I feel much less injured.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Now and and fatter quite frankly, so I guess there's
that morning.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Here's there. You have it. Those are my thoughts on
a marathon. Thank you for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
It's Thursday, December fourth, The Fred Show is here, and
we are we are, we are hobbling along. Will we
have Kiki though, Hi, Paulina, I'm here, Belle's here. That's it.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
There's the show. That's the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Jason to La and Kaylin's on her way and we'll
do all the things though. The throwback throw down in
that tune Battle is coming up. Kaylen's won the year.
It's a steep competition for second place, and Kiki, you
could still do it. You could still come in second place.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
I don't think so, but you know, I always have
a good time, so you do have a good time.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
The vibes yeah, yeah, we're tortured, but you're having a
good time.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I was gonna say maybe the Within thirty minutes of
the throwback throw down, the room gets real quiet and
everyone sort of like gets nervous. People are very there's
a lot of anxiety about the throwback throw Down. But
then Kiki is the only one having a good time
with him.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Yes, it's fun just yelling out the wrong right.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
That's my favorite part of definitely gonna be And my
favorite part of the throwback throw Down is Kekey's guesses. Yes,
for the latter. So you're doing the entertainer report, then
you do it until Doug k shows up.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'll hold you down, all right, what we got them?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
All right?

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Well, Travis Kelsey just speels some tea about his relationship
with Tyler Swift and I am shook, okay and utterly disbelief.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
So we'll find out about that.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Also, updates in the scary Tara Ree case that left
her hospitalize here in Chicago after leaving her hotel.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
I'll tell you the latest.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
He's lying, by the way, that story.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, I think he's a ball face lie. But we'll
talk about it.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, I'll tell you this much. He's either lion or
he is just determined. Maybe he's the smartest guy on earth.
But he's either lying or he is determined that he's
just gonna deal with it, right. I don't want to
give the story away if you haven't heard it. But
either that or he's just he's just decided she wears
the pants, which she probably doesn't. He probably should have

(04:58):
decided that a long time he's going to be. Many
men should have decided that maybe many men should. Maybe
he's got it right. I just don't believe that this
is possible. So we'll get to that in a minute.
Skip over the waiting by the phone. This morning show
be Shelley, I believe it's three hundred bucks. New player
in the showdown, and let's get to some headlines. Next,
biggest stories at the day. We'll do it after gag

(05:20):
three minute thirty eight friends and Biggest Stories of the Day.
Mark says he's running his first marathon. When he texts
does in January?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Are you doing that? Bro? Great?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Hold on damp. He says he's nervous. I'd be nervous too.
He'll be fine, man, You'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
As long as there's like an exit route like that,
you can get out of there at any point if
you need to write, like, you're not just stuck out
of the house, right, Yeah, like Nascar. I remember they
came to Chicago and I got stuck out there. I
couldn't get out, you know, Like, So as long as
you can get out of there, I think you'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I mean I think it's I think you could just
stop running it if you want. I don't think it's
like you.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
But I need an exit plan. Yeah, I think you just.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Walk to the side and just go in to the
you know, going to the dunkin don'tnuts. I think you
can do that if you want too. Me. Yeah, me too.
I think I do maybe like a mile or two.
That's good. I'm all set right. My feet kind of hurt.
So I feel like every day it's been some form
of crazy weather story about how cold it is. But
I have more bad news for you, sorry. An arctic

(06:21):
blast of cold air is set to break temperature records.
Millions across the Midwest could be feeling record cold this morning.
Of polar vortex from Canada is plunging into the US
today and tomorrow, potentially breaking dozens of daily low records.
Low temperature records from the plains to the northeast. Cities
like Pittsburgh and Des Moines could break record lows this morning,
and areas in the upper Midwest and northern plains. We'll

(06:43):
see temperatures below zero in a lot of places across
the region. Today's high temperature will not get above freezing
twenty nine in Pittsburgh, seventeen in Chicago, thirteen in Minneapolis.
The freezing weathers expected to continue into Friday, and then
a second blast of cold air will push through the
Midwest on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
No, I feel like that's the noise I make when
I think about it. I feel like anytime, maybe last
year wasn't didn't seem that bad, at least not around here,
and so I feel like we're paying for it now.
It's like, you know, you get you get one maybe
two good seasons, and then they punish you. Yeah, I'm
not sure who they is. I'm not sure who the

(07:22):
board is in charge of this, but I don't I
don't really approve. So if it could go back to
a little bit warmer, that would be nice. The Powerball
jackpot has sort of eight hundred and twenty million dollars,
which I stutter when I say it because I think
what I'm gonna do when I win the power Ball,
Because it's time.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I really feel like it.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
The last couple I felt like it's warming up, like
it's getting closer to where I'm gonna win.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I really felt.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
A couple of times ago that it was for me,
like it really is, like my spirit guys were telling
me to go buy a ticket. Now it helps to
buy a ticket if you want to win these things.
And I always forget to do that part, but I think,
I think this one's for me, and then I'm just
gonna relocate the show. We'll still be on the air everywhere,
but I'm going to relocate the show to someplace much
more like it's consistently much warmer. How was feeling about that?

(08:07):
I'm not mad or maybe like a seasonal, a seasonal headquarters,
Like you know, we go down to Florida like snowbirds,
right like old people, and then warms up, we come
back north. We'll go south and then we'll go north.
You're right, like like birds. Well, you know, we'll migrate.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
I'm down. I'll pack my little purse there.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
But that's what's going to happen. Cash option three hundred
and eighty three million dollars. Don't get me going on why.
I think that's weird that you go from eight twenty
to three eighty three, But okay, I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
If you're following along.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Jason's out here this morning, and I hope he sends
us his NFL picks, because just because you're in La Bro,
he doesn't mean that the people aren't counting on you
for the par sleigh and the NFL picks. But the
Hall of Fame selectors have revealed the five contenders for
the twenty twenty six class, and among them Robert Kraft,
the owner of the Patriots. Bill Belichick, the legendary coach

(09:01):
who loved the New England Patriots to six Super Bowl
victories and compiled the career victory record of a career
record rather of three hundred and thirty three wins and
one hundred and seventy eight losses, was the coach finalist.
Ken Anderson, Roger Craig, and Els Greenwood all our contenders
for the Hall of Fame. This is an amazing story.

(09:21):
I'm not sure if you've seen it online, but there's
an eighty eight year old man named Ed Bombas he's
a former US Army veteran. He was working full time
as a cashier in Michigan at a supermarket in Brighton, Michigan.
I guess he was forced to go back to work
at this age after losing a little bit earlier in life,
after losing his pension when his former employer went bankrupt,

(09:43):
and during years of financial strain following his wife's illness
and passing. So someone one of these kindest influencers found
him and then went to the store and I think
gave him like four hundred bucks and got his story,
and he since gone viral. This man has veteran he
was an auto worker. He lost his pension with a

(10:04):
lot of other people. His wife died seven years ago.
He goes to her grave every single day to visit her.
And so they told this guy's story, they started to
go fundme page for him. I'm not sure if maybe
they've told him, but he didn't know about it, or
he didn't know what the number was. Up to one
point five million dollars is what they've raised for this

(10:25):
guy so that he can retire finally at eighty eight.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I love that. I love that. That's a good man.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
He'll be formally presented with the funds in the coming days,
a moment that promises to finally give him peace of mind,
dignity and the rest that he has earned after a
lifetime of service and hardship. But that's that's just from TikTok, Instagram, reel,
whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Wherever you saw the story YouTube.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's gone viral and people have chipped in and one
point five million dollars for this guy.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
That is so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Although I do wish we treated our veterans much better,
but that's in the conversation for another day. But that
is beautiful that we're able to use the power of
social media had influence to help others.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, there is a bear. I have two animal stories
for you. A bear that has crawled under a home
in California, Altadena, California, over a week ago, and the
bear has said I'm not leaving.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
He's a squatter bear.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
The homeowner, named Ken, says he can't get the bear
to leave, so he has to live in his house
and the bear is staying, so he just lives with
the bear. I guess the bear is under the house
and it's been growling and hissing and he can hear
it from within his house. I guess He's had numerous
calls placed in the California Department of Fish and Wildlife

(11:35):
to get help. They suggested losing using a fan to
vent ammonia fumes into the crawl space, but he fears
that he doesn't know what the bear would doesn't want
to get that close. The only damage so far has
been to his trash can. Some people believe the bear
moved to his neighborhood after being displaced by the eaten
fire there and the cleanup that's been on going.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I don't know. It's a dispute between a homeowner and
the bear.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Take him a small claims.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Court, right, Kiki's court. Yep, we'll handle it right here.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
The bear has rights, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I'm not sure what you do.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I mean, I would like to believe if somebody could
help me maybe relocate mister bear, But.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's under my house.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I gotta go home, right, So I guess I just
hope that we could coexist. And in my second animal story,
in the Biggest Stories of the day in Oklahoma, a
four year old mixed breed dog named Ozzie just broke
a Guinness World record for the longest tongue and it's
a girl dog.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Ozzie the girl dog.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Her family always joked about her tongue and they had
never measured it, I guess, but Guinness confirmed seven point
eight three inches, officially the longest tongue on a living dog.
Despite her a comical look, her owner says that Ozzie
isn't actually a big liquor. Doesn't use the tongue for anything,
I guess, would rather nuzzle and hang out like a
normal pup, but she loves car rides in outdoor plate
time and happens to have a tongue that steals all

(12:57):
the attention. But yes, a seven point eight three inch
tongue on Ozzie the Dog. And I don't know, there
are there no jokes like there are no ruel Oh
my goodness, well there's that. There's a there's a drool joke.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I mean, it's not a joke, is just terrifying.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Seven seven eight inch tongue. You figure like, I don't know,
a couple of inches are in the mouth, but that
still means you've got five six inches is hanging like
you wrap the tounnel around your head.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
Mm?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, well okay, I see your move by that. It's
Santa'sless Day and it's Wildlife Conservation Day today as well.
Kaitlyn's entertainment report is on The Fresh Show.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
It's key key in for.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
My girl, Kayln real quick, and we got to talk
about this. Travis Kelsey says his relationship with Taylor Swift
it's literally perfect. He revealed on his New Heights podcast
that he has never once had an argument with Taylor
in their two and a half year relationship. The confession
came after his guest, George Clooney, doubled down on his
own claim of a conflict free marriage with a Maal Clooney,

(14:03):
prompting him to ask Kelsey about his Clooney went on
to explain why he avoids conflict with Amal, saying he's
so lucky to have met this incredible woman that is
beautiful and smart.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
So what am I going to fight about?

Speaker 5 (14:16):
Well, Kelsey said he was inspired by Clooney's philosophy, telling
him I'm just taking notes this whole time.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Big guy, you don't even know.

Speaker 5 (14:24):
Kelsey is Swift, who began dating at twenty twenty three,
announce their engagement in August.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
What's it August or September?

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Because I think it was September when I got engaged anyway,
marking a new chapter and their drama free romance.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Now I don't.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
Buy this, okay, but it's it could just be because
I'm toxic at this point, you know, Like, I don't
know if they didn't argue in two and a half years,
but it just seems unreal.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
George is the crazier one high.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah, hey, sorry, she's looking at me so but for
me ten years they've been together, not one argument.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
I mean, I know he's married to a lawyer, But.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
You know what, I think this conversation says more about
the women that they're married to or dating, because that
that means you have a good woman, she has you
trained great to get everybody.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Get away with this?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well, so you so you you of course you're supporting
this because yes, but I have to ask this question,
and I'll ask you, guys, and I'll ask eight five
five five nine one three five. You can call it
text the same number. But first of all, I don't
I don't believe that a healthy relationship means that one
person just goes one person's way all the time. Because
if you're not arguing, then that that's got to mean

(15:32):
that even if you're a very agreeable person, the vast
majority of the time, you're just you're just deferring to
whatever somebody else wants. There's no way that you're there's
no way that two separate human beings are perfectly aligned
all the time. And I do do you really think
it would be attractive? Are you gonna say yes? Right,

(15:52):
I'll let you say yes, sir, But do you really
think it would be attracted? To be with somebody who
let you have everything you wanted all the time, didn't
push back on anything. You would have no feeling about
that person's Uh. I don't know. Confidence or isn't it
kind of confidence?

Speaker 1 (16:08):
You know what? You want to stand up for yourself?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
I mean yes, And if you want what I want,
you're a great man, you know.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
I think it's a perfect relationship.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
So you know, I dream you would.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I think you would get bored, you know, and I
think at some point you'd be just start testing the
person to be like, do you stand up for yourself
on anything? I don't think it's an attractive quality. I
do not think that you can. And maybe maybe men
and women, maybe in relationships we could go a long
way by I would imagine. I don't know how many
fights in your relationships guys, would you say could have

(16:41):
been avoided if you had been a little less stubborn,
or if you or if you're not dug in as
far half were.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
You trying to get us to a mini I don't
know about that.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And honestly, like, I can think of times when I've
been in relationships where it's like if I should I
get to get times in friendships. I gotta get times
in this room where what I really should do, even
though I think I'm right, and even though I think
I know the right thing, I should just I should
just not say a word. Yeah, I say it anyway
because I can't help myself. But if I had the discipline,
I think I could probably avoid at least half of

(17:12):
the disagreement. We don't really argue, but I mean half
of the disagreements that I get into. But I say something,
But even then we're still talking about a certain percentage
of disagreements.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Right, I mean, it's just I don't know if it's real.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
So I would love to hear from the thirteen if
they have a no conflict relationship, like I would love
to hear from you like real people.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, I would love That's that's my dream, isn't it
to get there no conflict? But also like it goes
my way because I know that I know that No, no,
right now, I'm not gonna lie to you, guys.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
I live in the complete opposite. Like I feel like
my husband is.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yes he gets his way, Yes he gets his way
a lot more than I do, and I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Here it makes me feel like am I a punk? Like,
but do I need a confidence boost? Like because I
don't like this, But then I feel like it just
causes arguments.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
So I'm more of like, Okay, we'll just go with
the kind of girl, yeah, even though I'm like that
all around the the board, like I'll go with it.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Man, you need to send him the link to this podcast. Georgia. Okay,
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Any one person should win every argument or do everything
their way, and I think that, I really think that
it would be a sign of an unhealthy relationship if
one person if there's no conflict, because that means one
persons getting their way all the time, and it means
at least part of the time. Maybe these guys have
a lot more discipline than I do, but there have

(18:28):
got to be times where they are burying what's important
to them, Yeah, in favor of someone else, and yeah,
sure there's a time and a place for that, but
it can't be every time every day.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think that's unattractive.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Oh oh attractive.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
I wonder for George and them all, they just know
how to fight, like it's like fair fighting or just
they know how to work things out without like quote
unquote fighting.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yeah, everything doesn't have to be a conflict, but I
don't know. We need to mind our business, however. Come
In other news, actress Tara Reid is sticking to her
story that she was drugged while visiting a Chicago area hotel.
If you remember, Tara was carried out on a stretcher
in hospitalized. According to her, she believes that someone spiked
her drink when she left it unattended at the bar. However,

(19:11):
after an investigation, Rosemont police have reviewed the surveillance video
and from the footage at the hotel, they say that
there's no indication, at least based on the videos that
they saw, that anyone drugged her. But Tera retold TMZ,
last thing I remember is having one drink and waking
up in the hospital the next day without remembering anything.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
That was the scariest feeling I have ever felt. I
felt so helpless.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
This has been a horrifying experience for me and that
it's severely affecting my mental health. I can't sleep over
this and it's a very scary what happened to me?
Tara ends with I believe I was drug and something
happened to me, so it's so scary and just a
reminder to everybody to.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Always watch your drink.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
Lastly, Netflix is rejecting claims from Diddy's legal team who
will call their new four part documentary that has Me
and a ChIL call Sean Combs the reckoning it's a
hit piece, and accused the streamer of choosing fifty Cent
as an executive producer out of a vindictive motive. So
they're saying, like, basically, they went to get fifty to
do this documentary just to get back at Diddy. Well,

(20:14):
Netflix is clapping back and they're saying that a cease
and assist letter from Ditty's team also alleged that interviewees
were paid and that footage of Diddy was before his
arrest was taken and not to be used in this documentary.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
I don't care what you say, Diddy. I've watched most
of this documentary and this is wild.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
So and I believe that Netflix would have crossed all
of their t's and dotted their eyes before putting something
out like this.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
So they're not backing down.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Is this the same stuff we already know?

Speaker 6 (20:41):
No?

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh man, it's worse. It's it's so much worse.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
There are so many allegations and people speaking out and
telling their testimonies and their experience with Diddy that has
never been heard before. Like when I tell you they
did some extensive research on this man, they really did.
In this document is really changing the way a lot
of people have looked at him over the years.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, yeah, because I wasn't gonna watch it because I
don't need to. Immediately we get the dude apparently it's
a creep, like you know, yeah, and potentially a criminal,
Like I get it. Well, well, he's been convinced a
convicted criminals, so I guess it's kind of legend. But
I was like, is this just the same information that
we're regurgitating, but you're saying it's all new, not all.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
New, but a lot of new information given and especially
relating back to old stories of even like Biggie and Tupac.
There's new new stuff that is coming out related to
their case. So it's really wild. I recommend everybody take
a watch if you have a lot of time on
your hands, because it is very long and very detailed.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
But it is a wild documentary.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
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Speaker 4 (21:50):
Okay, do that please?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I want to talk to Sam. Sam, you and your husband,
you never fight, You've never fought.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
Really had small arguments, but so many of them have
have not happened because of how we try to prevent them,
and so like we've never had a full out screaming
match at each other. We've never you know, said horrible
things to each other in the middle of a fight,
like do We sometimes have the occasional you know, we

(22:21):
walk around each other and don't talk, maybe for a
couple of minutes. But I mean, we just do a
really good job of preventively avoiding the arguments from communicating.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Because as a guy who's conflict avoidant, right like, I
don't I don't like to get a knockdown drag outs.
And it's not because I don't know if you should
or shouldn't. It's that I find that when you in
when you when it gets to that point, especially if
someone feels like they're behind in the argument, then things
start to shift into an area they don't need to go.
And maybe it's because I grew up and my mom.

(22:52):
As amazing as she is, she was the person who
would she'd go for the jugular, like if she wanted
the argument to end, she'd say the thing that had
nothing can do with anything, and then it's like, oh
and the argument's over. You win, But then you got
to walk back the thing that you said that had
nothing to do with the thing, Which is why I
think I'm conflict avoidant and I don't get into I
try not to get in fights like that because it

(23:12):
winds up you have to undo the fight before you
get back to the issue, which I hate. However, I'm
not sure that my way is healthy where you never
have the fight and I get, you know, yes, in
a perfect world, it's like you guys, Sam, where it's
just you know, you're able to have this sort of
discipline to know when to separate and to know how
to argue and to know how to debate, but really

(23:33):
never a big fight.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
No.

Speaker 7 (23:36):
But I think it also comes down to him and
I both had really toxic relationships before this, where like
we did fight with prior you know, partners, and so
now that we've seen how horrible it gets, we knew
right off the bat that we didn't want to repeat that,
especially in front of our daughter. And so we've we've
done a lot of you know, communicating, talking how do

(23:58):
we fix this? And you know, do I want to
punch him in the face once in a while, But
we learned that that's not really the right way to
do it, and it's it's worked out really well for us.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
So good for you, guys. Thank you, Sam, have a
good day.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Thanks you guys.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Do love you, guys.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Thank you for listening. I mean, who am I to be?
I may give our relationship advice every day, and who
am I to do it? But I'm the first to
admit I'm not very good at any of that.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Maybe for me, this story jumps out because as happy
as I am about the Travis Kelcey and Taylor Swift thing,
there's just no doubt in my mind he's along for
the ride. And that's not to say she doesn't bring
him a lot in the relationship and that she hasn't
changed his life in a positive way in many ways,
I'm sure, but I contend that he's one of those
guys that just smiles and it's just in awe of

(24:43):
her all the time, and that makes me nervous.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah, he's happy to be there.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
There's a difference.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Between it being happy to be there and and and cowering.
There's a difference between you know, letting.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's part of me that anytime someone should google Goggon,
they're just looking at the stars the whole time.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
But we never fight, and yeah, and she's selling anything.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
It's part of me that's like, yeah, you can be
the most amazing person I've ever met, but I can
still disagree with you, and I can still sometimes see
that you're not perfect. And I wonder if the people
who are in the clouds don't they eventually come down
from the clouds.

Speaker 6 (25:17):
Yeah, I feel like two years is still the honeymoon phase,
like I've been what I mean, yeah, yeah, So I
definitely think that they'll get there.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
I'm sure.

Speaker 6 (25:23):
I mean, she's a fire sign. I think he's a libro,
which the fact that I even maybe know.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
That is crazy. But no, they'll get there.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
But I've been in like I've been in a five year,
a seven year, and I will say the first two
years are still for me the honeymoon.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
So maybe they're just they'll get there. George and themal
I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
George basically said, like, I'm old, I don't have it
in me, Like what am I gonna argue about it.
I'm in my sixties, so I don't know about them.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I can honestly tell you that I've been in
relationships before where the person I almost think had too
high of a regard for me, like like what I
honestly I felt I felt like I could that very often,
but I felt like I could probably do anything and

(26:09):
this person was gonna be like, Okay, you know that's
all right. I mean it's like they saw so much
good in me or something. But I'm sorry, but it
was a little bit unattractive because it's like at what point?
And I'm not saying I tested that because I'm not
that kind of person, and I really, like, I don't know,
I'm not I'm not a liar, I'm not deceptive. I
don't cheat on do stuff like that. I wasn't like, well,

(26:30):
I'm gonna go out and cheat see if I can
get away with it. But I just I thought, like
I'm not that good of a dude, like come on,
like cheat it up for you, like really, you know,
like you're you matter too, and I knew that, but
sometimes I felt like that person maybe wasn't putting themselves
and enough of a priority as enough of a priority,
and it was kind of unattractive.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, I'm with you there.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
I'm not attracted to someone who just agrees with me
all the time and doesn't have an opinion.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
I'm definitely not into that.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
But Kiki and Paulina would be great with it.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Yeah, I don't enjoy fighting. Like, I don't enjoy it.
I don't think it's a good time. I'm like, why
are we doing this? Like, just just agree with me?
Come on, man, you know it's not hard. It's and
I don't ask one lie, you know, So I don't
I don't enjoy fighting. It's actually like I don't like
it at all.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, I guess would be in a partnership both people
could eliminate. Like I said before, I'd say maybe a
quarter of the fights could be eliminated if somebody would
just shut up, which I'm not good at doing. However,
I also think that if you truly want every argument
in both of your relationships, every single one, I think
that at some point you might scratch your head and
go why does this It's all I hate to say this,

(27:38):
but it's almost like where where what are they doing?

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Like why does it?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Like where are you getting this outlet? Like why do
I just win everything? Why do you not care?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You know?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Is it because like you don't? I don't know. It's
almost a bad thing.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Yeah, I will say if I start agreeing with everything
you do, then you know the relationship is about to
be over because I don't care anymore.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I'm exhausted, or it's like.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I'm cheating on you and it's like I don't want
to fight with you because I'm trying to cover up
this other thing. So like, sure we'll go there, do that. Yes,
you're right about that. Yes I'm sorry about that. But
a bunch of texts about this, by the way, and again,
what the hell do I know? But someone said, I'm
a therapist and can tell you that a lot of
men are struggling with standing their ground against their partner

(28:22):
and they're fearful of being perceived as toxic or abusive. Oh, Fred,
you definitely have okay daddy energy. What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Okay dad, Okay daddy, I mean I got daddy issues.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
I think it means that like she would be in
a relationship with you and just say like, okay, daddy,
Oh well that's hot, you'reight, so she.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Would agree with you.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I could shut my mouth a lot more, but I
also I also don't. I would I would question myself
if everything someone did okay, because I feel like you're
trading off your value in some ways, and why are
you doing that?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
We'll be off, we'll be.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
No.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
It's almost like do you have trauma, like where you
don't think you matter?

Speaker 3 (29:07):
No, Well that's valid, but I was gonna say, like,
what if someone just doesn't like me?

Speaker 4 (29:11):
I'm very easy going.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
I really don't care if we have you know, Chinese
or Mexican for dinner tonight?

Speaker 1 (29:15):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Because sometimes like I feel like even those things are
turned into arguments because then you don't feel heard or seen.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
But like, what if I truly just want to eat
and I.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Don't care, but now you think I'm a punk because
I won't stand on it, you know, But I get
it if it's something bigger, like you know, how are
we going to raise our children?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Or something like you know where you want to send them?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
To school.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
That's that's a different conversation. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I just feel like, what's the point of fighting when
you can just meet your partner halfway and everybody's happy.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
It's given take Yeah what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I
mean that that does make sense. Julie.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Hi, So you have been together since we're sixteen? Hell
are you now, Julie? Oh wow, I'm quick. Math, that's
a long time. Forty fifty gosh, what forty something years?
And you've never You've never fought at all.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
We've had disagreements, but we've never had a yelling, screaming fight.
We've never had where we called each other names.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
I mean, we've just never done it.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
We've gotten quiet, sometimes walked away, but we don't fight. Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Wow, Well, and you guys have been we talked it
out so almost as long as I've been alive.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
So good for you. Congratulations.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I mean, hey, you guys are just more mature and
maybe maybe certain people can just they get lucky and
they meet in their communications styless match.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
It looks like that's you. Julie. Thank you have a
good day.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Well we do, thanks you too.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Honestly, for me, the thing that jumped out about this
story was that he's in the clouds. He's he is
not being realistic. Eat, You're right, he still is in
a honeymoon phase. And at some point you're gonna wait
and be like, yeah, Taylor, you're pretty amazing, but your
your poop stinks too, girl, Jessica.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Yeah, Hi, Jessica.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
So you think appeasing and sort of a giving in
to your partner consistently would lead to more fights?

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Yeah, it was early on in mine and my husband's relationship.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
But he would just be like, Okay, fine, I don't
want to fight anymore, and then we would have the
same fight over and over again.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
And I'm like, wait, I thought when we.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Stopped fighting, that meant you understood and we would stop
fighting about that, But he would just continue to do
it because he was just like whatever, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah, because he didn't really want to do the thing.
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
He maybe understood your point, but he wasn't willing to
give in. So there was no resolution, which means you
keep coming back.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
There was no change.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, Okay, all right, fair enough, thank you, Jessica. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah, Well, then that goes back to Kiki and Paulina's point,
which is, well, then just just agree with me, and
then we don't have a problem.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
Hella, and we never talk about it.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Everything's all good.

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