June 18, 2025 • 25 mins
Jason tells us a new way he's been petty towards his boyfriend! Plus, listen to why Logan got ghosted on an all new Waiting by the Phone. And Fred and Kaelin continue to tell us their obsession with the Karen Read trail! Listen now!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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somebody get ghosted? That's new and net blogs Jason's got
one in just a second, our audio journals and the
Entertainmer report too.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
What's in there, k, I'll give you a little ditty update.
Also Pope Leo.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
He has ties to Madonna, Justin Bieber, Angelina, Joe Lee,
Hillary Clinton, Justin Trudeau and Moore.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And I'll tell you how someone said to me the
other day about Pope Leo because he's a Chicago boy.
Somebody was like, you know, he probably listened to your
show because you've been on the radio in Chicago for
a long time. The Pope has probably heard your radio show.
And I was like, well, not by choice. I mean
maybe like he was in a Newberg where he was like,
he went in somewhere and it was on. I doubt
that he chose to listen to it as a pious man.
(01:47):
He said, don't do his brother Fred well, well, I
think he got excited at first when he heard that,
because he was like, oh good, he's one of ours.
And then I very clearly heard after listening for about
two minutes that I'm not I mean I am, but
I'm not. Also driving me nuts, somebody d M me
yesterday somewhere on some platform. They're doing something very cool.
They're selling T shirts to benefit I want to say
(02:09):
it's providing canines for veterans. Anyway, I told them I
would I would plug the T shirts. But I can't
find the DM. So if that was you, DM me
again or if you know what I'm talking about Fred
on air, hit me up there, because I want to
make sure I do what I say. They were looking
for sponsors, which would require money which we don't have,
so I said I would plug them. Jason's nunning his
head yet that requires a budget and spending and marketing
(02:31):
and things like that which we don't. We don't do,
but why would we do that? But anyway, I wanted
to plug these guys because they're doing an amazing She
is doing something amazing, and that was that was what
I was going to do, and I said I would
do it. So if it's you, then if you would
DM me again with the info so I can say, yeah,
they talk better than they These are the radio blogs
(02:52):
on the Fred Show. It's like we're running in our diaries,
except we said I'm aloud. We call them blog. Jason Brown, go,
thank you yes, dear blog.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
So I feel like every couple has petty ways of
fighting or you know, like how petty you need to
get like in a fight. Well, I think I'd like
taking mine to a whole new level. I don't know
if I'm proud of it or not, So y'all can
tell me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So, what are some previous examples you've got on hunger strikes?
I don't doesn't look like no, no, I yes, Mikey
won't eat the food that you cook.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Mike won't eat anything because like I am the main
source of like providing food.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So like this is like people who would hold sex,
Like why does that benefit you? Like if the first
thing that you think to do is with hold sex
for me, then you don't like it very much? Right,
Like I'm not very good at it apparently because without
it like one of the things that should come before that.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's never been something. But the food,
yeah you got like that that was a humble bread.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I don't about all that.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
But so we're fourteen years in and so I don't know,
the fights just get like I feel like when you're
together that long, like they just get more and more
just ridiculous. So we were on a I don't know,
some sort of verbal strike last last week where and
it's so stupid, like he'll stop talking to me because
I did something. And then I'm not even mad, but
(04:15):
like he's not talking to me, so I won't talk
to him. So we're just coexisting in this house, just
silent for days. So we came him from work and
got showered, got dressed, and normally I'm like, where are
you going?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Right, like where we're going somewhere together? Where are you going?
I didn't ask.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
He just left, and I was like, well, I know
that he's at the car show. We have a car
show in our town every Tuesday. I was like, I
know he's up there, like you know what, I want
to go to the car show too. So I get ready,
get in my car, drive up there, and I'm mosying
around the car show because gravitation. Yeah, there's a car show,
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checking out the torque converters and other things on these vehicles,
you know, looking like I'm maybe interested, perusing to buy
maybe I don't know know, So I'm walking around whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I get halfway through and I see him.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
He's sitting on a bench on his phone, which I'm
already assuming that he's probably checking my location to.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
See where I'm at and knows that I'm there.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
But it isn't it true that he has your location
but you don't have it wrecked? Yeah, yeah, there's another
Yeah he injustice.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yes he can, he can see where I'm at, but
I don't know where he is. But whatever, that's fine.
So I don't acknowledge him. I walk right past, pretend
like I'm on my phone, as if he was some
sort of you know, street solicitor that I don't want
to talk to, and just walk past him. So then
I walk through the rest of the car show, and
then I'm coming back to my car because I'm done looking.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
At the vehicles.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
He's still there, maybe waiting for me to acknowledge him.
I just pulled my phone out. I'm texting. I'm not
texting anyone. I have no one to talk to, texting
right past him. Again, didn't didn't acknowledge And to this day,
it's been about a week and we haven't talked about it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
There's been no mention of the fact that you both
went to the car show, right, Yeah, he obviously went
just to sit there. I guess I don't know why
to make you wonder where he was. Obviously went to
look at the cars. Yes, I'm sure he was there.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Car know Come on, you were.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
There to see that corvette? Yes, everybody knows that. You know. Yeah,
it had nothing to do with with monitoring his whereabouts.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Right, I'm in the market, you know, So I was
just looking because.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He could look at his phone. If he wants to
know where you are, you have to actually physically start
going places.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yes, to locate the man physically stock instead of technologically stocked.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So wow, And no mention has been made.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Not a single mention. So I'm assuming he knows I
was there. I'm assuming he thinks that I saw him
and I like purposely ignored him, Right, I obviously saw him.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But like there's this like unspoken.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Will we ever talk about it? I don't know, But like,
what's the what's the dumbest thing you've done in the fight, Kiki?
Like the Caddy thing?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Nothing, I'm not a Caddy person, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I cursed you out right here in the moment, and
then I'm fine five minutes later we can be friends again.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So you've never done anything Caddy, You've never like gotten
in a fight with it with Big Tim and then
you ordered food for yourself and not him or I
don't know, you you do something, do something. It's like
he's done that.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
The worst thing I think I've ever done in our
relationship is I got mad, So I downloaded Bumble on
my phone, downloaded the app.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, and then like trying to be like just have
it on the mainscreen of the phone.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh my God, changes his name in her phone.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Remember, yeah, I do do that, so he will go
from like my man bay to like ugly really.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
So dusty son.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
God, the effort that you go. You gotta go into
the phone book and then edit. And then because I
put it like, that's a lot of effort.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
We have an update.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
This is what he just sent me.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, Mike's mechanic at the gay Rag. I didn't know
he listened.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah, his alarm just went off and this is his alarm.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So so it's a shame that blogs were a little
late this morning, because I guess he'd done them before.
Then then you could have.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
With it.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I have no one to blame with my syste myself.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, when you're talking about someone, you get to do
it between the hours where you don't think they're listening.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yes, before some fifteen.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'd love to hear Mike's side of the story now, actually.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'd love to I'd I would love to know callin Mike.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
What Mike was thinking as he was sitting there watching
you peruse cards. I'm to see you walking around pretending
to give a damn.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Like what am I looking at? I don't know? So funny,
Jason is crazy, you know what.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I've always heard you doing crazy. Yeah, I always wanted
to do this at one of those car shows. By
the way, just a side note, I've always wanted to
get like a new production like Honda Civic or like
new like a newer like I don't know, like a
twenty twenty one Honda Civic and just pull it up
right next to the you know, the classic Mustang and
then put my little folding chair in front of it
and just and then pop the hood and then just
(09:16):
sit there. People. It's like, you know, I don't know
what it's like, classic v W, classic Mustang Corvette.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You know, some guy's got a pours in a.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Ferrari and then it's my It's my two thousand and
two Honda with thirty thousand miles on it and I'm
just sitting there in my little chair like pretest drive. Yeah,
anyone has any questions, you know, I'm here to answer.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
You have like fake certificates in the window of all
the shows you've watched.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
The trophies. Yeah, yeah, no, I've always wanted to do that.
I never been left waiting by the phone. It's the
Fred Show. Logan, good morning, welcome to the program, Good morning,
good morning, and how are we doing? Do it all right? Man?
What's going on with this woman? Sylvia? How did you
guys meet? Tell us about any dates that you've been on,
(10:02):
and then kind of where things are now?
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yeah, we met on Hinge. We messaged back and forth.
It was dirty, it was cute. I got our number
pretty quick.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
And then after about a week or so, I asked
her she wanted to grab a biite and some drinks.
She said, yes, we were vibing. It was cool, we
had some good momentum. So I was just, you know,
pretty shocked when she just completely stopped talking to me
after the date. Okay, yeah, wondering if my favorite morning
(10:33):
show can maybe figure out what happened.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh you look way to butter us up here. So
you don't get roasted in part two. I mean because
look I'm going to ask, I'm gonna do it. I
mean I need you to really search your soul, Logan,
like when you look back on this date, you really
thought everything with normal uh no weird conversations, no weird topics.
I mean like this was a normal date. Now, yeah,
(10:57):
you know we kept it.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
We kept it pretty clean, avoided all the hot button notes,
and just tried to have a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So let's see if we can figure out what's going
on on your behalf. We're gonna call Sylvia. I gave
you a chance, man, I give you a chance to
come clean. But no, wouldn't that be something if well,
there was the one thing where I dressed up like
a furry right, you know, And then we don't even
have to do part two. We can just move right on.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
But no, you're saying I'm not trying to king shame,
but well no I am not either.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But I'm doing the kosher, just totally kosher date. I'm
just trying to get answers for you. But okay, so
we're gonna play song comeback, Logan, call Sylvia. You'll be
on the phone We're gonna ask these questions on your behalf,
and the hope is that we can figure out what's
going on. Maybe she's been busy, maybe there's some other explanation,
and then we can set you guys up on another
date and pay for it. All right, that sounds great, hey, Logan, Yeah, yeah,
(11:46):
all right, yeah, yeah, all right, Logan, let's call Sylvia.
You guys recently went on a date. You met on
one of the dating apps. You chat it for a
little bit, you went out for dinner, you thought everything
went really well. You left the date thing great, We're
gonna go on date number two. I'll call her tomorrow
or I'll text her or whatever, and then we'll set
that up. Except you did that and she hasn't responded
(12:07):
to you at all. It would appear that you're being
ghosted and you want to know why. Okay, well, let's
call her now. Good luck, Logan, Thanks guys. Hi is
this Sylvia? Hey Sylvia, good morning. My name is Fred.
I'm calling from the Fred Show, the morning radio show,
(12:29):
and I have to tell you that we are on
the radio right now, and I would need your permission
to continue with the call. Can we chat for just
a second on the show, you can hang up anytime
you're calling from a radio station, right, Yes, So is
that a yes that I can I mean, I can
get to why if you just say it's okay? I'm curious,
(12:49):
so correct. Yeah, we're gonna go with a yes on that.
So we're calling on behalf of a guy named Logan.
I guess you matched with him on a dating app
and you guys recently went out to dinner. Do you
remember Logan? Yes? I remember Logan? So what happened? Because
he called us and he said that he'd be matched
with you and that you guys went to dinner on
a date first ay, and then he thought it went
really well and was hoping to see you again. Says
(13:11):
he's reached out for another date and you haven't responded
to him. But it sounds like you might have a
different explanation or a different version of what happened. Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, Because when the bill came, he asked if if
we could split it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
He wanted to split the bill.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was so shocked that he asked me to do that.
I was like, wait, I have to pay for my
own food. And here's the next part that really gets me.
He said yeah, unless you're coming.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Home with me. Oh wow. Wow? He was that specific,
was he?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
No?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah? And he wasn't joking.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
He was serious because I asked him one more time,
I really have to pay for my own food, and
then he responded with the same thing again, Yes, unless
you're coming.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Home with me. You know, first of all, I think
if he asks you out, or whoever is the asker
of the date, especially a first date, I feel like
you got to make a good impression. You were the inviter,
so you got to pay. But what you cannot do
if you insist on splitting. What you cannot do is
then say, oh, well, I'll pay for it if I
(14:16):
get some like come on, come on, we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean I just paid my mail
and just left and knew I would never see him again.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh god. Plus, you're setting yourself up to look like
a total idiot, like, hey, hey, if you come home
with me, and then it's like you, no, I'd rather
pay for this food and get the hell out of here.
I forgot to mention that logan. This here, logan, I
asked you, man, I asked you to tell me you yeah,
and I should never But why are we First of all,
what you asked her out, you should pay for the date,
(14:49):
and if you insist on splitting it, you cannot then
say well but if I get some, I'll pay for it. Hey, man,
modern dating rules. It's not my job to feed them
modern dating in the guide written by you, like it's
thing to do. It's chivalrous, it's it's it's romantic, it's gentlemanly,
it's whatever, like may for the date you asked her out,
(15:10):
like make a good impression. Bro.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
I'm so sick of women using men as free meal
cards for first dates that never continue on.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I don't think that's all women are doing. I don't
think that's what most women are doing. I'm sure there's
a component of that, I don't. I mean, what are
we saying about you? Then? Maybe women are sick of
men thinking that if they buy your food that they're
going to get laid exactly. I mean, come on, Like
who says that to somebody? I mean, what do you
(15:42):
expect I was going to go out with you again?
I'll pay for your food that hoga?
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Let me come on, man, you had the chances to
prove you were serious about me, and you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Oh my god, it was a first date.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Wow. And maybe if you'd paid, you would have had
a much better chance at that. I mean, I say,
one leads to the other. But I can tell you what,
what probably won't happen if you don't treat her, well, nothing,
you got nothing.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I mean, I guess I could have been a little
less upfront.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
But well, men like you don't deserve to date in
my opinion too, Like, no, truly, like if you're not
gonna pay for like your little whatever chili's meal, whatever
wherever you went, like that is just all messed up.
If you're gonna take the time to invite a woman
out and to take fret you're looking at me crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No you pay for our meals?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
No I do, no, no, no, no, I'm not disagreeing
with you. I mean no, I just no, I don't
disagree with you at all.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Period.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He was right, right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I don't know who raised this man, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
There's no even trade, like come on, like, no one
owes you anything for doing anything? Like why do you
think that? I guess The part I don't understand is
why did why do you think that's gonna go well,
like why did you? Oh? Well, in that case, sure, yeah,
pay for my dinner absolutely, like no, no, I don't
think very many people are to go. Okay, well I
(17:02):
want free food, so I guess i'll put out.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Like come on, Wayne Gretzky always said you miss one
hundred percent of the shots you don't take.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Then why are you bringing Wayne in?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Wayne didn't to be here.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He didn't do anything right, Yeah, okay, like.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Take a girl to a coffee shop or something, you know,
something that's really inexclusive for a first date. If this,
if this is how you feel, if you feel like
all women are using you to get a meal, which.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Or don't go or well I was gonna say, do
something that doesn't require any any like I don't know.
Nor the path I was going down is if you're
that convinced you're being used, then plan dates that don't
require a big investment. But first of all, I don't
think you're being used. I think you're saying stuff like this,
which is why you don't wind up getting any That's
(17:48):
what I think. Yeah, I mean what all right, Logan,
uh no, not not even Logan, Sylvia, thank you for answering.
I'm sorry you had to go through this. I appreciate
the uh, the transparency. Good luck to you out there. Logan,
I'll know what to tell you. Man.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
You know what this I guess you know everyone's saying
I need therapy.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
She can probably just shut some eggs.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
What you need more to hear page.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know
what just happened. But all right, well he got us right,
he really told me Caitlin's entertainment report. He's on the
Bread Show.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The Judge and the Judge and Ditties, okay up.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
The judge and Ditty's ongoing federal trial reprimanded both the
prosecution and the defense after confidential details from a sealed
hearing were leaked to the media. He warned that further
breaches could lead to criminal contempt charges and even court
ordered device inspections or sworn testimony.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
With the prosecution expected to wrap its case by Friday,
which is big news.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The judge noted jury deliberation could begin as early as
next week, and made it clear that the trial must
be decided solely on courtroom evidence, not leaked information.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And we talked about this I think this week.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
You know, for example, the oj trial, they were sequestered
to these hotel rooms.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
They didn't have you know, it was a different time,
but they didn't have phones or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And these jurors can go home, they have their phone,
so I mean it's to be expected. I think the
judge also held a closed door proceeding likely to question
one juror over an issue that might call for their
dismissal from the case.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So there's a lot going on. By the way, Fred
and I are still on Karen Reid.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Wise. I was going to say I don't care about
him at all, but Karen Reid did not do it.
I cannot believe that we're still I'm worried that we're
still talking about this. I might worry it over Monday
ten o'clock. They could have gone in there have been like,
how was your weekend? Good? Okay, she still didn't do
it right? Good, all right, let's wrap this up and
go home. We're still debating.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
We're still debating, which is scary.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Although you made me feel better when you said that,
I'm not sure where you saw this that the jury
was asked the judge a question on semantics over if
we charge her with the d u I or and
ow I or whatever, does that mean that we're charging
her with murder?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Can they be separate? And so that makes us both
feel like, you want.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
To know where I've been. I heard of it. I
mean I've been in the courtroom every day. When I
leave here, I fly to Boston, I go to the courtroom. Yeah. No,
I'm a courtroom reporter. I am. I am, And so
that's how I know. But the jury form is messed up,
it's not clear, and the defense argued, like, the juris
are going to get confused by this like they did
(20:31):
in the first case, because it was the same format,
And of course Aunt BEV was like, no, nope, it's fine.
And so the question yesterday, I guess was so at
the bottom of all the charges, it was like, I
think there was murder, manslaughter, a bunch of stuff, bad stuff,
and at the very bottom it was essentially d u I.
They call it oh ui in Massachusetts, I guess. And
(20:54):
they know that she was. They tested her at some
point she was point zero nine, so they know that
she was drunk. So the question from the jury to
the was if we convictor on the OUI charge the
least of all the charges. I mean, at this point,
she could get you know, manslaughter or OUI, I'll take
the driving drunk keeper at this point, And it sounds
like she was, of course, So I guess the question was,
(21:15):
if we convictor on that, then do we have to
convict her on one of the murderer manslaughter charges up
top on this cheery form? My so, I'm obviously not
in a license attorney currently, but my summation, my guesstimation
from that is that if they were going to charge
her for murder and manslaughter, they wouldn't care, right about
you whatever it's like, if you hit her for all
(21:36):
of it, whatever it is. But if they're asking if
if they convict her on that, if it means the
more serious charge, then I have to think that they've
already decided that she's innocent of the murder part of
it those Otherwise it would be like, well, just who cares?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
If we can victor her a murder of manslaughter, then
who cares?
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
But they don't. I certainly they don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I hope that's the case. I also wonder and if
you know the answer, Texas if you can.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Legally go after a judge, because if I'm her legal team,
I'm like, we need a new judge for this retrial,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
There's clear ties to one side and that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So the other interesting tib on BEV.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, we're done with on BEV.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah. Another interesting tidbit is that I saw on the
internet and a lawyer friend of my pointed this out.
Is when when the jury sent the note to the
judge asked the question, they referred to her as Karen,
not as the defendant or misread, which, apparently from the
defense standpoint, means that they like, that's a good sign,
Like they identify with her as a human, like to
(22:33):
call her by her first name. It's not like I
guess if they psychologically, if they thought she was a criminal,
they might refer to her as something less or more formal. Right,
But the fact that they're hey, Karen, it's almost like
that's my friend, or like we have some kind of
a connection or whatever. Now that could be, that could
mean nothing, but a lot of the people who were
speculating online yesterday were saying that's a really good sign.
(22:55):
There's like a human aspect to this.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I just don't like that it's taking so long, because.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I would think if I were going to convict someone
of murder, I would, honestly, psychologically, I would try and
dehumanize my I that would be a very difficult thing
to say, like you're going to go to jail with
the rest of your life. And even if you did it,
and I think you did it, that I'm responsible for that.
So I think the people tend to jurys tend to
dehumanize the defense because it's like, well, you're not a
real person anymore because you're a murderer. But in this case,
(23:20):
it was Karen, Okay, some decent thing. I think today.
I think today, by lunch, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Done trusting you, trust me waiting every day every day.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Today, by lunch, it's over. She's going to get charged
with the OUI and she's going to get off on
the other stuff. Right, That's right, that's what I think.
I don't think she did it. I don't think she
did it, And if for some reason she did do it,
she doesn't know she did it. I really believe that, right,
And it wasn't on purpose.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
In sadly, his life is already gone, and now we're
going to ruin somebody else's life.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Which is all the whole thing's awful, it's tragic, it's
very trific.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's adults making irresponsible decisions as a whole. Why are
we not talking about the cops that were driving drunk
that night? Right? They're all the bar together because.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
They didn't get breathalyzed, so I can't prove it. And
really quick, you.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Know how everyone's been making those Mount Rushmore's, you know,
their Mount Rushmore of this of that. Well, someone made
a mount Rushmore of celebrities with no haters, and I
want to hear what you guys think about this. So
they put Jackie Chan, Keanu Reeves, John Cena, and Steve
Irwin up on theirs, which I pretty much I agree
with all of those, but I think we need a
lady or two on there, so I would add or
(24:24):
vote miss Betty White or Miss Dolly Parton. I think
they would be on my Celebrity with No Haters. Tom
Hanks maybe would be a good one, but it was
just fun to think about.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, it's true there are some out there. It's hard
to standing bad about them.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
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showdown's late. It's like we get off the air and
it's like my phone rings. I have to go on
the hallway and it's just Shelley. I mean just people
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wait at a fifteen minutes, I.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Know, I know, Well, let's just get to it ten
I guess, yeah.
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Also Pope Leo.
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He has ties to Madonna, Justin Bieber, Angelina, Joe Lee,
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And I'll tell you how someone said to me the
other day about Pope Leo because he's a Chicago boy.
Somebody was like, you know, he probably listened to your
show because you've been on the radio in Chicago for
a long time. The Pope has probably heard your radio show.
And I was like, well, not by choice. I mean
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he went in somewhere and it was on. I doubt
that he chose to listen to it as a pious man.
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He said, don't do his brother Fred well, well, I
think he got excited at first when he heard that,
because he was like, oh good, he's one of ours.
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two minutes that I'm not I mean I am, but
I'm not. Also driving me nuts, somebody d M me
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They're selling T shirts to benefit I want to say
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would I would plug the T shirts. But I can't
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so I said I would plug them. Jason's nunning his
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Speaker 4 (02:59):
So I feel like every couple has petty ways of
fighting or you know, like how petty you need to
get like in a fight. Well, I think I'd like
taking mine to a whole new level. I don't know
if I'm proud of it or not, So y'all can
tell me.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So, what are some previous examples you've got on hunger strikes?
I don't doesn't look like no, no, I yes, Mikey
won't eat the food that you cook.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Mike won't eat anything because like I am the main
source of like providing food.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
So like this is like people who would hold sex,
Like why does that benefit you? Like if the first
thing that you think to do is with hold sex
for me, then you don't like it very much? Right,
Like I'm not very good at it apparently because without
it like one of the things that should come before that.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's never been something. But the food,
yeah you got like that that was a humble bread.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I don't about all that.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
But so we're fourteen years in and so I don't know,
the fights just get like I feel like when you're
together that long, like they just get more and more
just ridiculous. So we were on a I don't know,
some sort of verbal strike last last week where and
it's so stupid, like he'll stop talking to me because
I did something. And then I'm not even mad, but
(04:15):
like he's not talking to me, so I won't talk
to him. So we're just coexisting in this house, just
silent for days. So we came him from work and
got showered, got dressed, and normally I'm like, where are
you going?
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Right, like where we're going somewhere together? Where are you going?
I didn't ask.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
He just left, and I was like, well, I know
that he's at the car show. We have a car
show in our town every Tuesday. I was like, I
know he's up there, like you know what, I want
to go to the car show too. So I get ready,
get in my car, drive up there, and I'm mosying
around the car show because gravitation. Yeah, there's a car show,
(04:51):
checking out the torque converters and other things on these vehicles,
you know, looking like I'm maybe interested, perusing to buy
maybe I don't know know, So I'm walking around whatever.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I get halfway through and I see him.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
He's sitting on a bench on his phone, which I'm
already assuming that he's probably checking my location to.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
See where I'm at and knows that I'm there.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
But it isn't it true that he has your location
but you don't have it wrecked? Yeah, yeah, there's another
Yeah he injustice.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yes he can, he can see where I'm at, but
I don't know where he is. But whatever, that's fine.
So I don't acknowledge him. I walk right past, pretend
like I'm on my phone, as if he was some
sort of you know, street solicitor that I don't want
to talk to, and just walk past him. So then
I walk through the rest of the car show, and
then I'm coming back to my car because I'm done looking.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
At the vehicles.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
He's still there, maybe waiting for me to acknowledge him.
I just pulled my phone out. I'm texting. I'm not
texting anyone. I have no one to talk to, texting
right past him. Again, didn't didn't acknowledge And to this day,
it's been about a week and we haven't talked about it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
There's been no mention of the fact that you both
went to the car show, right, Yeah, he obviously went
just to sit there. I guess I don't know why
to make you wonder where he was. Obviously went to
look at the cars. Yes, I'm sure he was there.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Car know Come on, you were.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
There to see that corvette? Yes, everybody knows that. You know. Yeah,
it had nothing to do with with monitoring his whereabouts.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Right, I'm in the market, you know, So I was
just looking because.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
He could look at his phone. If he wants to
know where you are, you have to actually physically start
going places.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yes, to locate the man physically stock instead of technologically stocked.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So wow, And no mention has been made.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Not a single mention. So I'm assuming he knows I
was there. I'm assuming he thinks that I saw him
and I like purposely ignored him, Right, I obviously saw him.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But like there's this like unspoken.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Will we ever talk about it? I don't know, But like,
what's the what's the dumbest thing you've done in the fight, Kiki?
Like the Caddy thing?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Nothing, I'm not a Caddy person, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I cursed you out right here in the moment, and
then I'm fine five minutes later we can be friends again.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So you've never done anything Caddy, You've never like gotten
in a fight with it with Big Tim and then
you ordered food for yourself and not him or I
don't know, you you do something, do something. It's like
he's done that.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
The worst thing I think I've ever done in our
relationship is I got mad, So I downloaded Bumble on
my phone, downloaded the app.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah, and then like trying to be like just have
it on the mainscreen of the phone.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh my God, changes his name in her phone.
Speaker 6 (07:41):
Remember, yeah, I do do that, so he will go
from like my man bay to like ugly really.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
So dusty son.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
God, the effort that you go. You gotta go into
the phone book and then edit. And then because I
put it like, that's a lot of effort.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
We have an update.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
This is what he just sent me.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, Mike's mechanic at the gay Rag. I didn't know
he listened.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
Yeah, his alarm just went off and this is his alarm.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So so it's a shame that blogs were a little
late this morning, because I guess he'd done them before.
Then then you could have.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
With it.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
I have no one to blame with my syste myself.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, when you're talking about someone, you get to do
it between the hours where you don't think they're listening.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yes, before some fifteen.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'd love to hear Mike's side of the story now, actually.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'd love to I'd I would love to know callin Mike.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
What Mike was thinking as he was sitting there watching
you peruse cards. I'm to see you walking around pretending
to give a damn.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Like what am I looking at? I don't know? So funny,
Jason is crazy, you know what.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I've always heard you doing crazy. Yeah, I always wanted
to do this at one of those car shows. By
the way, just a side note, I've always wanted to
get like a new production like Honda Civic or like
new like a newer like I don't know, like a
twenty twenty one Honda Civic and just pull it up
right next to the you know, the classic Mustang and
then put my little folding chair in front of it
and just and then pop the hood and then just
(09:16):
sit there. People. It's like, you know, I don't know
what it's like, classic v W, classic Mustang Corvette.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
You know, some guy's got a pours in a.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Ferrari and then it's my It's my two thousand and
two Honda with thirty thousand miles on it and I'm
just sitting there in my little chair like pretest drive. Yeah,
anyone has any questions, you know, I'm here to answer.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
You have like fake certificates in the window of all
the shows you've watched.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
The trophies. Yeah, yeah, no, I've always wanted to do that.
I never been left waiting by the phone. It's the
Fred Show. Logan, good morning, welcome to the program, Good morning,
good morning, and how are we doing? Do it all right? Man?
What's going on with this woman? Sylvia? How did you
guys meet? Tell us about any dates that you've been on,
(10:02):
and then kind of where things are now?
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Yeah, we met on Hinge. We messaged back and forth.
It was dirty, it was cute. I got our number
pretty quick.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
And then after about a week or so, I asked
her she wanted to grab a biite and some drinks.
She said, yes, we were vibing. It was cool, we
had some good momentum. So I was just, you know,
pretty shocked when she just completely stopped talking to me
after the date. Okay, yeah, wondering if my favorite morning
(10:33):
show can maybe figure out what happened.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh you look way to butter us up here. So
you don't get roasted in part two. I mean because
look I'm going to ask, I'm gonna do it. I
mean I need you to really search your soul, Logan,
like when you look back on this date, you really
thought everything with normal uh no weird conversations, no weird topics.
I mean like this was a normal date. Now, yeah,
(10:57):
you know we kept it.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
We kept it pretty clean, avoided all the hot button notes,
and just tried to have a good time.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So let's see if we can figure out what's going
on on your behalf. We're gonna call Sylvia. I gave
you a chance, man, I give you a chance to
come clean. But no, wouldn't that be something if well,
there was the one thing where I dressed up like
a furry right, you know, And then we don't even
have to do part two. We can just move right on.
Speaker 7 (11:19):
But no, you're saying I'm not trying to king shame,
but well no I am not either.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
But I'm doing the kosher, just totally kosher date. I'm
just trying to get answers for you. But okay, so
we're gonna play song comeback, Logan, call Sylvia. You'll be
on the phone We're gonna ask these questions on your behalf,
and the hope is that we can figure out what's
going on. Maybe she's been busy, maybe there's some other explanation,
and then we can set you guys up on another
date and pay for it. All right, that sounds great, hey, Logan, Yeah, yeah,
(11:46):
all right, yeah, yeah, all right, Logan, let's call Sylvia.
You guys recently went on a date. You met on
one of the dating apps. You chat it for a
little bit, you went out for dinner, you thought everything
went really well. You left the date thing great, We're
gonna go on date number two. I'll call her tomorrow
or I'll text her or whatever, and then we'll set
that up. Except you did that and she hasn't responded
(12:07):
to you at all. It would appear that you're being
ghosted and you want to know why. Okay, well, let's
call her now. Good luck, Logan, Thanks guys. Hi is
this Sylvia? Hey Sylvia, good morning. My name is Fred.
I'm calling from the Fred Show, the morning radio show,
(12:29):
and I have to tell you that we are on
the radio right now, and I would need your permission
to continue with the call. Can we chat for just
a second on the show, you can hang up anytime
you're calling from a radio station, right, Yes, So is
that a yes that I can I mean, I can
get to why if you just say it's okay? I'm curious,
(12:49):
so correct. Yeah, we're gonna go with a yes on that.
So we're calling on behalf of a guy named Logan.
I guess you matched with him on a dating app
and you guys recently went out to dinner. Do you
remember Logan? Yes? I remember Logan? So what happened? Because
he called us and he said that he'd be matched
with you and that you guys went to dinner on
a date first ay, and then he thought it went
really well and was hoping to see you again. Says
(13:11):
he's reached out for another date and you haven't responded
to him. But it sounds like you might have a
different explanation or a different version of what happened. Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, Because when the bill came, he asked if if
we could split it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
He wanted to split the bill.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I was so shocked that he asked me to do that.
I was like, wait, I have to pay for my
own food. And here's the next part that really gets me.
He said yeah, unless you're coming.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Home with me. Oh wow. Wow? He was that specific,
was he?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:45):
No?
Speaker 7 (13:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah? And he wasn't joking.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
He was serious because I asked him one more time,
I really have to pay for my own food, and
then he responded with the same thing again, Yes, unless
you're coming.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Home with me. You know, first of all, I think
if he asks you out, or whoever is the asker
of the date, especially a first date, I feel like
you got to make a good impression. You were the inviter,
so you got to pay. But what you cannot do
if you insist on splitting. What you cannot do is
then say, oh, well, I'll pay for it if I
(14:16):
get some like come on, come on, we can't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean I just paid my mail
and just left and knew I would never see him again.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh god. Plus, you're setting yourself up to look like
a total idiot, like, hey, hey, if you come home
with me, and then it's like you, no, I'd rather
pay for this food and get the hell out of here.
I forgot to mention that logan. This here, logan, I
asked you, man, I asked you to tell me you yeah,
and I should never But why are we First of all,
what you asked her out, you should pay for the date,
(14:49):
and if you insist on splitting it, you cannot then
say well but if I get some, I'll pay for it. Hey, man,
modern dating rules. It's not my job to feed them
modern dating in the guide written by you, like it's
thing to do. It's chivalrous, it's it's it's romantic, it's gentlemanly,
it's whatever, like may for the date you asked her out,
(15:10):
like make a good impression. Bro.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
I'm so sick of women using men as free meal
cards for first dates that never continue on.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I don't think that's all women are doing. I don't
think that's what most women are doing. I'm sure there's
a component of that, I don't. I mean, what are
we saying about you? Then? Maybe women are sick of
men thinking that if they buy your food that they're
going to get laid exactly. I mean, come on, Like
who says that to somebody? I mean, what do you
(15:42):
expect I was going to go out with you again?
I'll pay for your food that hoga?
Speaker 7 (15:45):
Let me come on, man, you had the chances to
prove you were serious about me, and you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Do anything about it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Oh my god, it was a first date.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Wow. And maybe if you'd paid, you would have had
a much better chance at that. I mean, I say,
one leads to the other. But I can tell you what,
what probably won't happen if you don't treat her, well, nothing,
you got nothing.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
I mean, I guess I could have been a little
less upfront.
Speaker 8 (16:14):
But well, men like you don't deserve to date in
my opinion too, Like, no, truly, like if you're not
gonna pay for like your little whatever chili's meal, whatever
wherever you went, like that is just all messed up.
If you're gonna take the time to invite a woman
out and to take fret you're looking at me crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
No you pay for our meals?
Speaker 1 (16:30):
No I do, no, no, no, no, I'm not disagreeing
with you. I mean no, I just no, I don't
disagree with you at all.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Period.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
He was right, right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I don't know who raised this man, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
There's no even trade, like come on, like, no one
owes you anything for doing anything? Like why do you
think that? I guess The part I don't understand is
why did why do you think that's gonna go well,
like why did you? Oh? Well, in that case, sure, yeah,
pay for my dinner absolutely, like no, no, I don't
think very many people are to go. Okay, well I
(17:02):
want free food, so I guess i'll put out.
Speaker 7 (17:04):
Like come on, Wayne Gretzky always said you miss one
hundred percent of the shots you don't take.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Then why are you bringing Wayne in?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Wayne didn't to be here.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He didn't do anything right, Yeah, okay, like.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Take a girl to a coffee shop or something, you know,
something that's really inexclusive for a first date. If this,
if this is how you feel, if you feel like
all women are using you to get a meal, which.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Or don't go or well I was gonna say, do
something that doesn't require any any like I don't know.
Nor the path I was going down is if you're
that convinced you're being used, then plan dates that don't
require a big investment. But first of all, I don't
think you're being used. I think you're saying stuff like this,
which is why you don't wind up getting any That's
(17:48):
what I think. Yeah, I mean what all right, Logan,
uh no, not not even Logan, Sylvia, thank you for answering.
I'm sorry you had to go through this. I appreciate
the uh, the transparency. Good luck to you out there. Logan,
I'll know what to tell you. Man.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
You know what this I guess you know everyone's saying
I need therapy.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
She can probably just shut some eggs.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
What you need more to hear page.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
I don't know. I don't know what. I don't know
what just happened. But all right, well he got us right,
he really told me Caitlin's entertainment report. He's on the
Bread Show.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
The Judge and the Judge and Ditties, okay up.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
The judge and Ditty's ongoing federal trial reprimanded both the
prosecution and the defense after confidential details from a sealed
hearing were leaked to the media. He warned that further
breaches could lead to criminal contempt charges and even court
ordered device inspections or sworn testimony.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
With the prosecution expected to wrap its case by Friday,
which is big news.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The judge noted jury deliberation could begin as early as
next week, and made it clear that the trial must
be decided solely on courtroom evidence, not leaked information.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
And we talked about this I think this week.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
You know, for example, the oj trial, they were sequestered
to these hotel rooms.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
They didn't have you know, it was a different time,
but they didn't have phones or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
And these jurors can go home, they have their phone,
so I mean it's to be expected. I think the
judge also held a closed door proceeding likely to question
one juror over an issue that might call for their
dismissal from the case.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
So there's a lot going on. By the way, Fred
and I are still on Karen Reid.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Wise. I was going to say I don't care about
him at all, but Karen Reid did not do it.
I cannot believe that we're still I'm worried that we're
still talking about this. I might worry it over Monday
ten o'clock. They could have gone in there have been like,
how was your weekend? Good? Okay, she still didn't do
it right? Good, all right, let's wrap this up and
go home. We're still debating.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
We're still debating, which is scary.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Although you made me feel better when you said that,
I'm not sure where you saw this that the jury
was asked the judge a question on semantics over if
we charge her with the d u I or and
ow I or whatever, does that mean that we're charging
her with murder?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Can they be separate? And so that makes us both
feel like, you want.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
To know where I've been. I heard of it. I
mean I've been in the courtroom every day. When I
leave here, I fly to Boston, I go to the courtroom. Yeah. No,
I'm a courtroom reporter. I am. I am, And so
that's how I know. But the jury form is messed up,
it's not clear, and the defense argued, like, the juris
are going to get confused by this like they did
(20:31):
in the first case, because it was the same format,
And of course Aunt BEV was like, no, nope, it's fine.
And so the question yesterday, I guess was so at
the bottom of all the charges, it was like, I
think there was murder, manslaughter, a bunch of stuff, bad stuff,
and at the very bottom it was essentially d u I.
They call it oh ui in Massachusetts, I guess. And
(20:54):
they know that she was. They tested her at some
point she was point zero nine, so they know that
she was drunk. So the question from the jury to
the was if we convictor on the OUI charge the
least of all the charges. I mean, at this point,
she could get you know, manslaughter or OUI, I'll take
the driving drunk keeper at this point, And it sounds
like she was, of course, So I guess the question was,
(21:15):
if we convictor on that, then do we have to
convict her on one of the murderer manslaughter charges up
top on this cheery form? My so, I'm obviously not
in a license attorney currently, but my summation, my guesstimation
from that is that if they were going to charge
her for murder and manslaughter, they wouldn't care, right about
you whatever it's like, if you hit her for all
(21:36):
of it, whatever it is. But if they're asking if
if they convict her on that, if it means the
more serious charge, then I have to think that they've
already decided that she's innocent of the murder part of
it those Otherwise it would be like, well, just who cares?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
If we can victor her a murder of manslaughter, then
who cares?
Speaker 7 (21:52):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
But they don't. I certainly they don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I hope that's the case. I also wonder and if
you know the answer, Texas if you can.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Legally go after a judge, because if I'm her legal team,
I'm like, we need a new judge for this retrial,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
There's clear ties to one side and that's not fair.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So the other interesting tib on BEV.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah, we're done with on BEV.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah. Another interesting tidbit is that I saw on the
internet and a lawyer friend of my pointed this out.
Is when when the jury sent the note to the
judge asked the question, they referred to her as Karen,
not as the defendant or misread, which, apparently from the
defense standpoint, means that they like, that's a good sign,
Like they identify with her as a human, like to
(22:33):
call her by her first name. It's not like I
guess if they psychologically, if they thought she was a criminal,
they might refer to her as something less or more formal. Right,
But the fact that they're hey, Karen, it's almost like
that's my friend, or like we have some kind of
a connection or whatever. Now that could be, that could
mean nothing, but a lot of the people who were
speculating online yesterday were saying that's a really good sign.
(22:55):
There's like a human aspect to this.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I just don't like that it's taking so long, because.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I would think if I were going to convict someone
of murder, I would, honestly, psychologically, I would try and
dehumanize my I that would be a very difficult thing
to say, like you're going to go to jail with
the rest of your life. And even if you did it,
and I think you did it, that I'm responsible for that.
So I think the people tend to jurys tend to
dehumanize the defense because it's like, well, you're not a
real person anymore because you're a murderer. But in this case,
(23:20):
it was Karen, Okay, some decent thing. I think today.
I think today, by lunch, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Done trusting you, trust me waiting every day every day.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Today, by lunch, it's over. She's going to get charged
with the OUI and she's going to get off on
the other stuff. Right, That's right, that's what I think.
I don't think she did it. I don't think she
did it, And if for some reason she did do it,
she doesn't know she did it. I really believe that, right,
And it wasn't on purpose.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
In sadly, his life is already gone, and now we're
going to ruin somebody else's life.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Which is all the whole thing's awful, it's tragic, it's
very trific.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
It's adults making irresponsible decisions as a whole. Why are
we not talking about the cops that were driving drunk
that night? Right? They're all the bar together because.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
They didn't get breathalyzed, so I can't prove it. And
really quick, you.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Know how everyone's been making those Mount Rushmore's, you know,
their Mount Rushmore of this of that. Well, someone made
a mount Rushmore of celebrities with no haters, and I
want to hear what you guys think about this. So
they put Jackie Chan, Keanu Reeves, John Cena, and Steve
Irwin up on theirs, which I pretty much I agree
with all of those, but I think we need a
lady or two on there, so I would add or
(24:24):
vote miss Betty White or Miss Dolly Parton. I think
they would be on my Celebrity with No Haters. Tom
Hanks maybe would be a good one, but it was
just fun to think about.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, it's true there are some out there. It's hard
to standing bad about them.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
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Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, yet, very excited about this so exciting directorial debut.
They cussed me out when when I do this, but
we're innning late, So show be Shelley, show be Shelle
cusses me out. My fault show is Shelley. Yeah, you're
always cussing me out whenever it's late. You know, the
showdown's late. It's like we get off the air and
it's like my phone rings. I have to go on
the hallway and it's just Shelley. I mean just people
(25:13):
can hear it down the hall She's so mad because
you get dialed in. You you're warmed up, you know,
you've stretched in everything, and then it's like you gotta
wait at a fifteen minutes, I.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Know, I know, Well, let's just get to it ten
I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Right exactly. That's that's what they always say to me.
Can you get to it? Can you hurry out? Yeah? Honestly,
like it's been a while. Eight five. If you want
to take out shop Shelley on Game Show Wednesday. In
the showdown, nine to fifty is the prize, Shelley, You're
working overtime, so hang on a minute. Where is it
okay to stay right there? If you'd like to take
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