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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
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Speaker 5 (00:50):
So just as a refresher earlier this year, I was
lucky enough to win a trip to anywhere I wanted
to go. Here at work, and so we picked turks
and caicos.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
So Mike and I are going uh in February, and
his mom was so sweet. She thought that, you know,
we needed some gear to be on a tropical vacation, right,
I guess that's tropical, And so she went and bought
us some new shirts that we could wear while on vacation,
and she brought them over yesterday and it's so sweet
(01:25):
and I'm so thankful, but she bought matching shirts for
Mike and I. And the first thing when Mike opened
it was like, we're not wearing this on the same day,
Like we're not the gay couple that matches. That's just
not our mind.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Button down.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
They're button downs, like they're nicer shirts, collared button downs,
but they have like like ships, like sort of like
scattered and I'm like, I would wear like it totally
makes sense for a vacation shirt, but I'm like, I
don't know if we need to wear it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
If you wear those at the same time and go out,
people are gonna be like, hey, which way is the way?
Which way is just shopping is? Because you know this
way we're looking for my carnival cruise ship. Do you
know where it is.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
People are different on vacation, and you never vacation with Mike.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So maybe you guys are the couple that matches on vacation.
I don't think we are.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
There are so many layers of crazy to this trip.
Are the parents going.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
With you, guys?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So his parents are coming with So the.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Very first time that you are traveling together to anywhere
matching shirt on a plane together after fourteen years anywhere, Well,
I'm more.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Worried about going through the airport together. But yes, the
first time. I've never been through the airport.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You've never been on a plane, You've never traveled together,
you never traveled internationally together. You're doing all this for
the first time in matching ship T shirt with his parents.
Why can't you go alone?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
But honestly, I'm trying to of okay because I think
it like alleviates like some of it like, and also
like I just imagine it's gonna be a very stressful
situation of us because I'm very neurotic, as you can
imagine when I get to the airport, like we have
to be there at a certain time, you know, you
have to have your back right neurotic, Like we got
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to have our shoes off before we get the like
we all there's a process that we need to like,
you know, work this through. And I been playing before.
Yeah he has Okay, this isn't like the first time
going by. Yeah, just never together. Yeah, we've never gone
through this situation. And also like he's a he's an
activities guy, right, like he's gonna want to do like
the snorkeling and the scuba diving.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I don't want to do any of that.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
So I'm like, Okay, now you have someone to like
go with and I'm just gonna choll on the beach
and so I'm good with that. I just I don't
really know if we need to match out fits.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So this is just so many.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Lays of Wow, Well, and you've been together for fourteen
years successfully you've you add up every person I've ever met,
it's not fourteen and then spoken to it doesn't add.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Up to fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So I don't know, but I would I usually say
you should travel with someone almost almost right away, yes,
because for sure, I mean I've learned in relationships pretty
quickly that like now or not, you know the way
people travel and the way people vacation and the way
people deal with stress or inconvenience or change it. But
I think that is all very telling, and so this
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could be interesting, like how are you going to.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Deal with that?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You know?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
But like one thing that I think he's he is
so crazy. He's like he's gone on trip so far,
and he was like, Okay, do you want, like I'll
log into my Netflix on your iPad?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Like you can like watch something on the plane, right,
some toys for the trip?
Speaker 6 (04:45):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
No, I don't need anything.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
I'm like, so you just sit there.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Oh he's going to row dog the trip.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Yeah, you just keep every plane trip has ever taken.
He just sits there like.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I'm like, do you want something on your crazy? Well,
it's true.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
You sit and stare at nothing on the plane.
Speaker 9 (05:04):
That's a key.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
You can't do that. I can do that, though, hek
you can't do that. I can just sit there look
on the window.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I can Like, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I'm never in the middle seat. I will not get
on the plane. I won't get on the plane. If
it's a middle seat, I will take the next plane.
I'm not getting on that plane. I'm not like I
won't sit in I'm ninety feet tall and I'm two
hundred and forty pounds. I'm not sitting in the middle
for everyone's best interest, Oh for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I mean, yeah, it's definitely not my choice. But no,
if I'm in the middle seat, I'm especially I'm gonna
have to stare. What am I gonna do?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I have to have like five shows that I'm not
gonna watch, probably on my iPad. I'm gonna have a book.
I need to have stuff on my phone is back up, Like,
it's not like I need something to divert my attention.
I can't just sit in a plane. I can bring
all that stuff and then don't do anything. Like I'll
have a book and my iPad or my laptop and
I'll have.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
A whole plan. Yeah yeah, just like that. You can
people at home can see it. I said, just like that,
I don't burn what you.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Do hands folded.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
I know I need something to like escape that I'm
on a plane, because I don't ever want to think
that I'm want to play uniforms.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
For your vacation.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
That's it's very kind of them, obviously very thoughtful.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Shirt.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Wait hold they have the same shirts though, No, so
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Speaker 4 (06:59):
Never Been Last Waiting by the phone, It's.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
The Fred Shell. Hey, Carly, Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 10 (07:05):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Loud and clear, loud and clear, clear morning morning to Carly.
What's going on with this guy?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Chris?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Who? I guess?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Why don't you tell us how you met? About any
days you've been on and then where things are now?
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Or yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
Don't know, man.
Speaker 10 (07:20):
It was such.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
It was interesting because we met on a dating app,
and you know how those are, like sometimes just you
get some randos. But I met this guy, Chris, and
she was super hot and he suggested that we go
on a weekend trip for our first day really, and
I just, yeah, isn't that wild?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That's kind of a bull So you meet a guy
in a dating app and he's like, let's go out
of town immediately. I mean, that's that's how Dately episodes
started ends, but.
Speaker 10 (07:47):
Yeah, that's how you end up dead.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
But you were like, okay, you know, I was like,
he's super hot, and I thought, you know what, I'm
just going to take the risk. And I thought the
worst that could happen is we meet at the air he's.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Not who he said he was, and I leave.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
And the wild thing is he under up being totally
who he said he was.
Speaker 11 (08:09):
And you know, he had he had like a hand friends.
When his profile he looked like he did some things.
And we ended up going to New Orleans.
Speaker 9 (08:19):
We had a great weekend. He was a gentleman, he
paid for everything. We had a great time. And then
at the end of the trip, we hugged at the
airport and I never.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Heard from him again.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Really, this dude took you to New Orleans and you're
saying that the trip went well and then he never
called you after the trip Like that is that's a
wild story. I mean you met at random standary and
went on a trip. I will tell you this though, Carly.
When I'm first dating someone, if I think it's going
to go somewhere, which just doesn't happen very often, but
if I think it's going somewhere, I do kind of
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rush the trip effort. Now, not like on the first date,
but you know, within like the first month or two,
because I think you can tell a lot about somebody
about how they travel and how you travel together. And
you know, are they the people that show up after
the flight already left? You know?
Speaker 6 (09:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
How much do they pack? You know, do they have
a TSA pre check or not? It's a huge deal for.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Yeah, Well, now I'm wondering. I agree, But now I
am thinking, maybe there's a reason when you did that
after a month or two and not the first time
we've ever met.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
But okay, so I get it totally. Yeah, you want
a trip to this man and you think it went well.
And then he never calls you again, and you're like, what,
what on earth? So we're gonna call this guy Chris.
We're going to ask these questions on your behalf and
try and figure this out. And the hope, of course,
as always, is that we can straighten this out. Maybe
there's some good reason why he hasn't called you, and.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
And maybe you guys can go out again.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We're not paying for a trip, we don't have that
kind of money, but we'll pay for a table locally
and you can go on that if we can work
it out. Sound good, sounds great.
Speaker 10 (09:51):
I'm so confused by this dude that's desire to me.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
So hey, Carly, all right, I always call this guy Chris.
You met on the dating apps and and you just
describe to us something that I really haven't heard maybe
ever in waiting by the phone. But you never met
the guy. You just messaged with him. You thought the
profile looked good. He asked you if you wanted to
go to New Orleans, and you said sure, And you
met the guy at the airport and you went on
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a trip for the weekend and you say it went
really well, and he was and he says he was,
and the trip was a success. Accept Carly, you told
us a minute ago. You haven't heard from him since then?
Speaker 10 (10:24):
You got is exactly right? Has the airport?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
This is wild. Well let's call chrisye we can get
him on the phone. Figure out why he's ghosting you. Now,
all right, good luck?
Speaker 10 (10:33):
Thank you?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Hello?
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Hi? Is this Chris Chris?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
My name is Friend. I'm calling from the Fred's Show,
the morning radio show. I have to tell you the
whole crew is here. We are on the radio, and
I would need your permission to continue with the call,
which after just a second, would you mind?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Do you have to do?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean you have to use my last name? No,
I'm not going to use your last name. I don't
even know your last name. I'm only using your first name.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Sure, so that's fine, that's yeah, you're sure?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Okay, Well, i'd so no last name, just Chris. But
I'm calling on behalf of a woman named Carly, who
I guess you just went to New Orleans with you
met her?
Speaker 3 (11:16):
He the date nap and he went to New Orleans.
Do you remember this?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I hope I do remember that. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Okay, Well, she reached out to us, had nice things
to say about you, said that, you know, she took
a risk in meeting you with the airport and going
to New Orleans, and she came back alive, which is nice, right,
But she said you were good looking, You were who
you said you were. She said, you were a gentleman
on the trip, paid for everything. But what she's wondering
is why you haven't reached out for another date, because
in her opinion, everything went really well. That was kind
(11:43):
of a big risk and everybody went for it. And
here we are. Why are you calling her?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I mean, it's like this, Okay, she I like to
go big, you know obviously.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
I mean it's not very common for somebody to ask
somebody to go on a date in New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That is that is a big thing. And she said yes.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And for me, when somebody says that, that means something,
you know. So like, yeah, what I saw at the airport,
everything was lined up. She was hot, just like you know,
just like I expected. She was willing to take a risk,
which is attractive, and everything looked like it was going
to be a great weekend.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
So I was.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
But she, I mean, let me just lay it out here.
She didn't want to stay in the same hotel room
as me, which is I mean, that's pretty common knowledge
of that is like part of the deal of something
like this.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, what do you hold on a second? Let's stop
right there.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
So when did you learn that she wasn't going to
stay in the same hotel room as you?
Speaker 10 (12:40):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Was that part of the Hey, I'll go with you
on this trip, but here are the rules? Like did
you guys text about that ahead of time or how
did how did you know that that's what she wanted?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
No, when we got to the hotel is when I
found out.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
And it's fine, you know, I'm like, like, you know,
I'm willing to pay for everything. But I mean, number one,
it was inconvenient. I found out right when I'm getting
to the hotel. You know, I could have gotten that information.
I mean, it would have screwed up the whole thing
from the get go, but I mean it still had
been better to get that information early. But yeah, right
when we get the hotel, I find out, and you know,
we kind of went back and forth on it and
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be compromised.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That is what I would say.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
We got like two beds in the same room, which
is weird, you know, and she didn't show any affection,
you know, because I flew her, I paid for everything,
you know, and I just nothing happened, like.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
There was no reciprocal action at all.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay, So you know, I mean, so you didn't there
was nothing physical, You didn't. You didn't have any adult
interaction of the naked right, uh, is what you're saying.
And you're and you so and and you suggested that
if you had known that she wouldn't sleep in the
same bed or room as you. You kind of alluded
to how maybe this trip wouldn't have even happened if
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you had known from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Mm hmmm, yes, okay, we agree with that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So so basically, because you paid for everything and she
agreed to go, then it was implied that there was
supposed to be other things that happened like that was just.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Implied by this.
Speaker 10 (14:12):
He never said that, Oh.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Well, there's I got to mention Carly's here. I'm very
forgetful Carly, Chris, you guys know each other. But I
want to get to this part. So I just want
to be clear. I don't want to mischaracterize here. You
you said, hey, let's go on a trip. I'll pay
for everything. But it wasn't. It had conditions, they were
just unspoken.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
It's in my opinion, it's common knowledge. That is a
common knowledge thing that you know. Otherwise I would have
just taken my buddy. It's common knowledge.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You go, you okay, So back to you, Carly. It's
common knowledge, right, I mean you heard the man.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
No way, I'm sorry.
Speaker 10 (14:58):
There's nothing we've just that we go on the trips.
There's no set precedent for that.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
I look on a neuraland date, you have.
Speaker 10 (15:07):
Some drinks, you needed a bar, you can make it.
We literally get on a plane, we.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Go straight to a hotel and I'm going after have
some sort of contingency here.
Speaker 10 (15:17):
And we didn't talk about it. You sort of made
a very boss minute choice like they're what. We didn't
talk particulation. They just said we're gonna throw feel it out.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean that's what you say.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Listen, if you didn't want to get you know, intimate,
you shouldn't have agreed to the trip, like it's I would.
Speaker 10 (15:36):
Never would you didn't. You didn't. You didn't torture me
on a trip. You didn't say anything.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
You made it sound like you were totally having a
good a good time like I wasn't even aware that
you were.
Speaker 10 (15:48):
Upset until I didn't care from you.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
You didn't say anything either, nobody no, you.
Speaker 6 (15:53):
Set you go you.
Speaker 10 (15:54):
I can promise you that nobody said that.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
It's like you want a free car and you went
to the line and you didn't leave the car, Like
it didn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Who's who got a freak kia? What happened?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Look, here's the thing. She owes you nothing, Chris. Let's
just be really clear. She doesn't owe you.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Whether they travel or not.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Though, Like even if it was their hometown, nobody owes
you nothing.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Nobody owes you anything now now here, I will say this.
There's a I don't know. I will say this though,
I suppose that it might have been a good thing
to maybe set out some ground rules before we go.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Because I will say if I'm if I'm staying in
a hotel room with a stranger, I guess I in
some ways in my mind, I think there's a possibility
we're just throwing all the rules out the window. We're
really just going for it here. Honestly, I don't think
that's an unfair thing to consider. That being said, she
didn't owe you anything. This was not an this is
not this is not you're not buying things so that
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she does other things. That's there's a there's a name
for that. It's the world's oldest profession, and that's something
that happens other places.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
But I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Maybe there couldn't have been some kind of conversation from
one side or the other, like, hey, I will accept
this trip for and this is just an example.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I will accept this trip. I'm excited to go.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I just want you to know, you know, nothing is
happening here, like we're going to get to know each
other and have a good time. I don't want there
to be any expectations. And maybe I'll get my own
hotel room, just so we're clear about that. Because guess what, Chris,
it sounds like you would have said no, I don't
want to go anymore, and then we would have known
exactly where everybody stood exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
No, I'm not, I'm not I'm not defending you. I'm
just trying to.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Say that I understand why it might have been valuable
to discuss these kind of things before we go on
trips with strangers. But she doesn't owe you anything, man,
she owes you nothing, you know, I in.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
My mind, like I said, there's an unspoken code and
she broke it, and it just you know, I didn't
put any pressure on her the pressure.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I didn't put any pressure. She agreed to go.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
So there is that code and it is what is expected,
and I was missing.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I feel like I was misled.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I don't think you were misled. I think he took
a chance and I think it didn't work, and I
think she has every right to not do anything with you.
And and you, guys, it appears that you had a
good time anyway, So why are we blowing it now?
And it sounds like maybe if you go on another date,
like things could have happened. But now I don't know. Carly,
what do you think you want to go out with
him again?
Speaker 10 (18:31):
We'll pay for it, I mean definitely not now.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
But all that said before was no rules, So in
my mind that means you go and you see and
I feel.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
Like you're right like he didn't indicate.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
So for me, the fact that he asked is like
he was having a good time and this.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Is what he was thinking. Is really that's the part
that you know.
Speaker 10 (18:57):
Makes me very turned off.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
So this is a blatant example of me being used.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Is what this is?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
You deserve?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I would use you to You don't even know
her name. You don't know her favorite color? A light
like you did. I mean she knows.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I don't know her favorite color?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Right?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
She she knows if I fly first clanswer coach. You
know she knows a lot Aboutmies.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
New Orleans. And I don't blame city girls are okay?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You you swung thing, and I respect the move. I
see what you were doing. It didn't work. She doesn't
know that to you, you don't have a right to
be angry about it.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Now, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I'm not angry. I'm not angry. I'm not angry.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
I'm I'm disappointed and I feel used, and I'm just.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Not really.
Speaker 10 (19:53):
That a first date is the first date.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
And if you were like you may not come on
this strip unless you give me sex.
Speaker 10 (19:59):
You I have said that. You didn't say.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It, right, I agree, I didn't. You don't have to
say it. You don't have to say it.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
If you read the foot.
Speaker 10 (20:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
You know what's ever read the fine front of the ticket,
But it says it right there. You have to look
a little more carefully, he says, Chris, Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It's implied. We flew, we flew to a different city together.
We didn't go to do that.
Speaker 10 (20:21):
On the first date. You didn't present yourself that way.
You never said anything, and to me even implied that.
That's like, there.
Speaker 7 (20:29):
Are dates that are very clearly we're gonna go on
this date and there's no expectations we're going to get
to know each other.
Speaker 10 (20:35):
And there's other dates where you know, if you show
up to that date, the.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Guy is interested in one thing, and you show up
to those dates knowing that that's.
Speaker 11 (20:42):
The only thing on his mind.
Speaker 10 (20:43):
And you were very much the first.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
That's every date. That's every date you that's every date.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Okay, because here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
If Chris had been like, hey, so we getting it on, well,
then I suppose that that makes it very clear. But
then you know, he didn't do that because he knows
that runs the risk of her not going, and then
she could have been like, hey, I'm not by just
for the record that nothing's happening. That also could have
shut things down. I mean, so yeah, I guess there
could have been a very unromantic conversation about ground rules
to begin or there just could have been you know,
(21:15):
common human decency which did happen. But all the while
he's mad about it and now he won't go out
with her again. I think that's the risk you take.
But look, she doesn't want to go out with you again. Chris.
I don't think you were used. You took a shot,
it didn't work. I wish you the best, Carly. I
wish you the best as well.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Thanks,