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October 6, 2025 39 mins

We find out how Jason Brown did on his week 5 NFL picks. Plus, Judge Keke weighs in on an all new Keke's Court!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:20):
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See how you're going to do it right here with
this text. People yelling at the sporting events and triggering
people and you know, bringing up old emotional wounds. Someone texted,

(00:44):
that's how some people. This is how we feel. But
I don't want to say week because I'm not one
of the week. This is how some people feel listening
to some of you talk about this swift chick boy
and I have to say, and Jason, You've got very defensive,
very quickly dropped it. But there were some people I
didn't see it. I saw a fair amount of negative

(01:07):
review on this album online over the weekend, and these
are from people who purport to be swifties. Now, what
I don't know is if they're telling the truth or
if they're just rage baiting. But there were a lot
of people who were like, man, this this is actually
not good, and I don't know, it's like, are you
required to say that it is if you're a Taylor
Swift fan. I didn't think it was bad my mission.

(01:28):
I implied this on Friday morning. I guess I expected
more like I thought it was good. Like I thought
it was fine, and I'm sure if you're a Taylor
Swift fan then you're obviously very excited. It was not bad.
Trust me, I've heard artists who crank out albums and
which she doesn't really do. She didn't really crank them
out per se. But you know, it's not one a year.

(01:49):
Was the last time she had a new album three
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Fourteen months prior.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah, it two years ago, so it's not every like
six months she's cranking out new albums or whatever. But
I didn't feel like it was. I feel like it
was garbage and I feel like it was a waste.
But I also was I don't know. Maybe I thought
there would be like every song would be a banger,
and I didn't really feel that way.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, guys, thoughts. I think it's like I don't know.
I think this happens every time, like an album comes out.
I feel like by her, like people hate it, like
reputation for example, like everyone hated it, and then like, however,
many years later, now it's like everyone's favorite, Like it's
just crazy. But I also think there's like like I
said last night, like people just like to hate on her,
and so given like the littlest inch of like oh well,

(02:34):
one Swift, he didn't like it. So now here comes
like everyone posting videos about like it's awful and the
writing is awful in this, but then the last album
where she was very poetic and whatever, it's like, I
don't understand.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
This is too deep, it's too so it doesn't really matter.
It happens every album. I thought it was good. I
guess there were parts of that I thought, well, that
seems a little beneath her, like some of some of
the some of it was a little like not juvenile,
but like elementary for someone who I think it gets
really does get really deep and soul and clearly like
strategizes and comes up with all these someone I was like, oh,

(03:05):
and then other I thought others was good. I don't know,
but I always surprised. I guess to see. But this
was so hyped too, I mean, and the and the relationship,
and then the potential Super Bowl halftime show, and then
I just feel like, I feel like it's almost she's
a victim of her own success because she's she's so
oversaturated that now everybody does everything she does either has

(03:25):
to be like, in their opinion, a slam dunk grand Slam,
the most amazing thing ever, or it's like ah more Taylor.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah, when you're like the biggest touring artists of however
many last couple of years or whatever, like you can't
keep that up forever, Like that amount of exposure and
that many people loving you and being happy with every
move that you make, Like it's impossible to keep that up.
Like there's just too many people that want to say
negative things.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
So all that said, though, she had an amazing weekend,
so ha ha ha do you say what I means?
I mean, like like like like, could you have a
better weekend than Taylor Swift? Tad No, I'll tell you
in a minute. Why so she's she listened and just
going I don't care. That's I don't care.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yle.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
She's broken eight records since we started talking today.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I mean, you know what I mean, Like she does
not give on right.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
That's yeah, I'll tell you. Okay, Well sorry, but I
guess that was a little surprised to people who claimed
to be actual. And then there were these posts were
getting hundreds of thousands of likes, so it was like,
you gotta think somebody agreed with it. I don't know who.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
I think she wanted this album to just be light
and airy and not so deep, and she said I'm
just feeling that way. So you know, she switches it up.
She can do everything, in my opinions.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
We have the results from Jason's NFL picks. I believe
this was weak.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I don't know who.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
It was five four or five or giving yeah whatever.
It was week five, so you picked even though the
game was actually the night before you made your picks,
you still didn't pick the right team. I gave you
four Niners Rams, you picked the Rams. I believe the
four Niners had already won that game when you made
your picks. Jason Brown, though, this is Sports Importers of

(05:01):
the Stars, VP of sports reporting and sports gambling. But
that's the title that shared with Caleb's the president of
the sports gambling and then you're just the VP of that.
Yeah yeah, yeah, but let me just go through here.
You can tell me, well, how do you do overall?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
So overall, so far, he's got nine out of fourteen.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
We're waiting on the Jags Chiefs games.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
He's not doing bad his parsley though, he did have
one player.

Speaker 5 (05:28):
Who was in a bye week involved in his parslayer,
so that was a little hard to get.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, so I lost a lot of money on that,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay, Vikings over the Browns, Broncos over the Eagles, Saints
over the Giants, Cowboys over the Jets, because your cowboy
nat whatever, Buccaneers over the Seahawks, Commanders over the Chargers,
Golds over the Raiders, Texans over the Ravens, Panthers over
the Dolphins, Titans over the Cardinals, Lions over the Bengals.
That that makes a good day for all of us.
Run here, Kaelyn's happen. Tayloy Swift is winning and the

(05:58):
Lions won so we can all have a nice day.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I'm not yelling at the time, not no.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
No, Usually, it's just she's still yelling at it walking
here for some reasons. She's still watching the game here.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
It's weird. Patriots over the Bills. That's that surprised me
a little bit. I didn't watch that whole game though.
And then you've got Chiefs Jags tonight, which I'm sure
you took the Chiefs I can't remember. Let's just here
as strong as possible. And then the parslay was what
even though he one of the people wasn't even involved
in this weekend's event.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
So he said that Darnell Mooney would get a touchdown,
but he was on a bye week, so maybe in
his you know, when he was practicing or in his personal.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Kids, maybe on the backyard, there was a simulated touchdown
of some kind. Perhaps, Yeah, how did you find Darnell
Mooney googling hot football players?

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Okay, that's what that's exactly what I guessed for sure.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
You were typing this in chat, GPT.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Now, oh well, that's a good idea, GPTs Parsley.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
This weekend, I can't wait, don't put that on me
would be like, wait a minute, he's not playing this week, bro,
any of this? What were the other ones?

Speaker 5 (07:05):
So Taekwon Thornton will have two catches, we'll find out
tonight and then Gino Smith will not score it all.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And yes, he did not score it all. So you
got one part right.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
We need to find out the second leg tonight and
then Darneld Mooney again, is you know drinking coffee at
home on.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yes, so you actually typed in hot NFL players and
that's how you Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's literally what I guessed until Bella so funny.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
At least she did it yourself, you research, So here
you go, I got it. So here's Taylor Swift's last
three days. She's matched Prince in number ones. Taylor Swift
is now in the same company as Prince. Back when
Purple Rain came out, Prince became the first album to
have a film album and single be number one at
the same time. Now she's repeated the feat. Her latest album,

(07:47):
The Life of a Show Growth perhaps you heard about
it sold two point seven million copies on its first
day of release on Friday. It also became which that
you had to remember that really says something in a
world where you don't have to buy anything to hear it.
You could just have a subscription and listen to it.
Imagine what this would have been back in the day
when the only way you were going to hear it

(08:08):
is you know, listening to it records or right waiting
line somewhere. So she so that, I mean that means
a lot more than it means, like you know, in itself.
It also became Spotify's most streamed album in a single
day in twenty twenty five. On top of that, the
song in the Fate of Ophelia became the most stream
song in a single day in the streaming platform's history. Meanwhile,
Taylor Swift the official release party of A Showgirl topped

(08:31):
the weekend box office, bringing in thirty three million dollars.
And Swift Isn't done, and she announced four new versions
of the album, with two special acoustic versions of songs
she sold online over the weekend. The Billboard chart showed
the album and Affelia at number one. And then she
dropped a video for Aphelia yesterday. And then you went
to the movie theater. You both of you did ye separately. Yeah, okay,

(08:54):
badly I needed to be alone, right, you needed to
see that, Mike. Yes, So talking about screaming at the scream,
I mean, my god, that may have been triggering for
some people. What was the movie experience like for you both?

Speaker 5 (09:10):
I I went to the movies for the first time
by my loansome, so that was like a big step
for me.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I loved it.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
The guy next to me was also a loane so
we kind of like, you know, I felt like I
wasn't a weirdo. I forgot my credit card so I
couldn't get a frozen coke. But the movie was good.
It was just like no big surprises or anything. She
was just explaining each song and then we got to
see the making of the music video.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But I loved it.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
I mean, I think it's really cool to like ingest
the album and then hear her talking about everything.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
I thought it was a cool idea.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Was it packed?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I wanted to so it wasn't super packed.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Kids were in school.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, kids were in school.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
But I love that she bleeped out everything and made
it all pg for the parents who wanted to bring
their kids.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
But I wish there was like an R rated because
I would have definitely bought tickets to that same because
it was worth hearing the swears yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Know, or like she really gets into that stuff like
which she probably isn't going to, but like it would
have been interesting if she'd had like another version, a
Taylor's version, be where we got to hear like version
like hey, you want you want to throw shade on people,
like go ahead, go to AMC theaters and tell us
what you really did, like tell us what you really meant,
so we could stop speculating. I know there'll be more
on that and more on this story throughout the morning.

(10:20):
But Sean Diddy COLEMs has been sentenced to four years
and two months in prison following his conviction on federal
prostitutes and charges involving his two ex girlfriends. Wholl also
have to pay five hundred grand in five hundred thousand
dollars in fines. I saw one person speculate that between
different programs he's eligible for and then time served, he
could serve as few as six months, six to nine months,

(10:41):
which is what I which is what I read. Now
this is one lawyer on TikTok. So I don't know
if that's true, you know, don't at me, but that
would be very disappointing if that's the case. But people have,
you know, varied opinions on this. So another very strange
story from over the weekend. A former NFL quarterback in
current Fox Sports commentator named Mark Sanchez was arrested in

(11:03):
an incident in Indianapolis where he was also stabbed and
taken to the hospital. So, first, the story is former
NFL quarterback is stabbed at night in Indianapolis. Oh my god,
it's crazy. You think like robbing it a lot of
different things, you think, like what happened. He was arrested though,
and taken to the hospital, or actually at the hospital

(11:24):
after being taken to the hospital, but he was not
booked into a detention center until last night. He's facing
charges a battery with injury on lawful entry of a
motor vehicle, and public intoxication. Police said that they're looking
into an incident between Sanchez and another man, a food
delivery driver. The other guy suffered lacerations in the incident.
Sanchez is in stable condition. I guess the details of

(11:45):
this that the driver parked his box truck at a
loading doc to collect used cooking oil from a hotel kitchen.
Sanchez appeared and then approached the driver and told him
he wasn't allowed to park there. The driver then said
that he would contact his boss to find out what
was going on. Sanchez and reportedly climbed into the guy's
truck and began looking around. The driver informed and he
wasn't allowed to do that. The victim said that Sanchez

(12:07):
smelled like alcohol and kept repeating that he had spoken
to a manager and they didn't want him to replace
the oil. Sanchez and reportedly began following the guy around
his truck, blocking him from entering the vehicle. Security footage
also appears to show Sanchez knocking the guy against the
wall and then onto the ground. The victim retaliated with
pepper spray, but it only momentarily faced Sanchez before he

(12:29):
resumed the pressure. Then, apparently fearing for his life, the
driver pulled out a knife and stabbed the former quarterback
two or three times in the chest, and then the
quarterback left the scene. And then people are not happy
with Fox yesterday because they had two different anchors and
two different clips. I saw read the same sort of befuddled.
It was the exact same wording, so they were obviously

(12:50):
reading it. They probably could have changed the wording so
it looked like two different people had similar but different thoughts.
But it was we're all just scratching our heads here
at Fox the same what you are, thoughts and prayers,
And it was kind of like, I realize it, as
you know, we've been through things around here where we're
not allowed to actually say anything. A lot of things

(13:11):
where we can't actually say anything, and people don't really
understand that that we work for a company and we
can't really get into like particulars or give our opinions
on certain matters. So I empathize in that regard. But
it was like, hey, how about make it look like
an original thought as opposed to having Carrissa Thompson and
someone else it was exactly the same thing. Not great, right,
I didn't know, But in thoughts and prayers, how about

(13:34):
just like, yeah, we're aware of the incident and it's
being investigated. I mean, they can't say nothing, I guess,
but like, at the same time, thoughts and prayers for
who right the do the gut stabbed?

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, that's just a random thing. And unfortunately it seems
like he was just really drunk and everyone online was
going well, how about this statement that he's been fired,
you know, but it's been forty eight hours, so I
guess they don't. Their legal team is too busy screaming
at the TV for their favorite sport that they haven't
had time to look at it yet. I'm so confusing. Yeah,
I don't know what to figure it right, right right?

(14:04):
They can't fire the guy until they are sure. I
would imagine what exactly happens, But yeah, it's a weird story.
Jeff Bezos, the billionaire founder of Amazon and rocket company
Blue Origin, so that millions of people will be living
in space in the next couple of decades take me.
Speaking at Italian Tech Week, Okay, he outlined a vision
of outer space inhabitants supported by advanced robotics and data centers,

(14:27):
emphasizing this could happen faster than many anticipate. He said
that space pioneers will mostly be living there because they
want to, But what about the other ones? Mostly be
living there because they want to? Well, who are the
ones that aren't wanting to? And how did they get there? Well?
You really you're ready? You want to go now? All
of a sudden you want to go to space?

Speaker 6 (14:46):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Get me out of here. Now you've had enough. I've
had enough.

Speaker 7 (14:49):
I thought the rapture was coming, so like I was
really like, hey, it's time, and then that didn't go through.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
So now I'm like, what's next.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
And you were sure they were going to take you?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Oh I know, I'm good. Yeah, Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, stars, Yes.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
That's true. But not everyone will be able to go, Like, well,
maybe that's a good thing. Maybe that way you could
really slim down the budget and in the invite list bar.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Yeah, yes, can I dress like Katy Perry and that
fitted fashion nova?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Like space?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Si, I think you would be an astronaut at that point,
like if you really lived in space, like you truly
are an astronaut.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
That's my dream.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I mean, so is she of course and Gail King.
But you could be just like that. Okay, Yeah, I
didn't realize you were so committed to the idea of
moving away forever, man, because I know they got a
way to get us to Mars. I don't know that
they have a way to get us back yet though
about Okay, I'm not sure yet. I mean, this is

(15:50):
kind of a bad deal in my opinion, but Cracker
Barrel fired the marketing gurus behind their rebrand disaster. Really,
here's my thing. I mean the marketing company. You didn't
go to Cracker Barrel and knock on the door and go, hey,
Cracker Barrel, you must make these things look like Apple
stores immediately. I'm sure that somebody at Cracker Barrel hired

(16:12):
a bunch of marketing firms and said, hey, what should
we do to revitalize this brand and make it you
make it more appealing to people who've never been a
Cracker Barrel or who don't, who think it's too old time,
even them, And then they wound up hiring the people
who had the best modernization ideas. That's what they did.
And now did it make it look like it was
their fault, but they fired the marketing agency that they
hired to refresh their image. Following massive backlash over its rebrand,

(16:34):
the restaurant chain was criticized for its decision to update
their old timer logo Cracker Barrel. Sit Thursday, it had
ended its deal with an international marketing agency. That move
is being accompanied by changes to the restaurant change leadership
structure could fire some people too. The company scrambled to
try and undo any damage it may have done with
its fans. The local revamp was discarded as were designed

(16:55):
for a modern restaurant layout and other policies. So yeah,
a lot of people get in, you know, the people
at the very top the board and whomever was like, look, guys,
we get we gotta make this thing bigger. We gotta
make this thing bigger. That Cracker Bail should be like Denny's,
and there should be one everywhere and everyone should be
going there. Okay, so do what you gotta do. Make
it look all shiny and nice in there, and then

(17:15):
people will totally love it. And then that's what they did,
exactly what they were told to do, and then they
fired everybody who didn't. It's National Coaches Day, National Plus
Size Appreciation Day day. There you go, ay out, National
Consignment Day, National Child Health Day, and National German American Day. Okay, yeah,
well you celebrated Plus Size Appreciation Day, but the next

(17:38):
to German Day, it says, shout out to me.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Okay, so American.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
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(18:02):
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It's rise, honorable kikilik oh Man. All right, Chess Kiki,

(18:23):
all right, what say you?

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Let's get in the courtroom. The gabble has been hits.
It says, hey, Kiki, I need your honest opinion because
my family thinks I've lost my mind. I canceled my
wedding three years ago. My fiance cheated on me while
we were on We were dating, We did the whole
therapy forgiveness, rebuilding trust thing. Eventually he proposed, and I

(18:47):
really thought we were in a solid spot. Fast forward
to last week. We were at the bar with his
co workers and one of them casually mentions, oh yeah, Carrie,
the woman he cheated with joined our team a few
months ago.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
I froze.

Speaker 7 (19:04):
He never told me that she worked there, and for
six months at that I felt humiliated, blindsided. So I
left him at the bar, went home and called off
our wedding. Now my mom and sister are saying that
I overreacted because he didn't actually cheat again and you
can't control where people work. But to me, the lion

(19:25):
by omission feels just as bad. And if he was
a trustworthy man, why would he hide it? So am
I wrong for calling off our wedding over something that
technically happened years ago? But it feels brand new all
over again. What do you think, Judge Kiki girl almost
called off my wedding over socks this morning, So you know, sister,

(19:46):
I feel you, and you know how I feel about
withholding information in a relationship. You know you can hide
it from the world, but you should tell your partner.
I feel like I should have known, or she should
have known, that that woman is now working at his job.
I do think he made a big mistake by not
telling her. He didn't withhold it though, well technically I

(20:07):
think you did, because you know, if Carrie is now
your coworker, you know the history that you and Carrie have.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
You don't think to bring that up over dinner one night.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Why would you do that to yourself though?

Speaker 7 (20:17):
But then if you don't and your and your friend
tells me about it, now we're in a worse spot.
So I don't think I think you're a little dramatic
by calling off your wed and I will be honest,
I think this is something that you guys can work through.
But I don't feel that he was completely innocent by
not bringing this up.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
You guys with the jury eight five, five, five, nine,
one one three five coll In textas say number No,
I don't know why you'd walk into that again. I
mean because it just it just sort of opens the wound. Okay,
you know if you're like, so he cheated, he got
caught or acknowledged it or whatever happened. They went through
the process, he's been forgiven. She she's good with him,

(20:52):
they're they're engaged, they're getting married. Everything is fine. So
why would he sit down and go, Oh, by the way,
remember that threat from the past, Remember that that woman
with whom I made poor decisions. Yes, she's in my
life again now every single day, and so nothing to
worry about here, nothing to see. I just want you
to know that I don't know. I mean, I can
see both sides. I can see why you would say something.

(21:15):
I can very much see why you would not. But
you cox, we moved past it.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Go on to the holiday party, you know, and then
it's like, oh, what is she doing here? Or what
is he doing here?

Speaker 7 (21:25):
You wouldn't want your partner to have given you a
heads up that this person is not working with them
every day.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
I just think you're asking for problems. I think you're
asking for it all to be dug up again. Also,
but it's already been forgiven and we've moved past it.
I mean, if he wanted to cheat with this woman,
he would do it, whether she worked there or not.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
I agree. How do I know you didn't get her
to get her the job?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Well, to see, there you go. This is what I'm
talking about. Here, we go down this rabbit hole. This
is the rabbit hole where you're just saying things now, yes,
and you have no evidence of that, no proof of that.
He may have had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
And it doesn't matter because we've already forgiven him for
the indiscretion. We're trusting him moving forward. This is the
only way this works. Except we're not if we're saying
things like that.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Okay, But I just don't believe you should withhold information
because you're worried about my reaction.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Tell me and let me process it.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
But maybe it would ask if it happened he just
didn't tell her.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Yeah, you didn't tell me. Someone else told me.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
But withholding would mean that that you that you asked
and he said no, or that you know, lie no
because he does. Don't want to go there again because
this is what happens. And we started asking, a bunch
of a bunch of crazy things start coming in your brain,
like oh, well night, now you're you're you're in close proximity,
so you're gonna slip and fall in a meeting and

(22:38):
stick it in her or something like no, you're not,
like you know, you're not. You're not going to You're
not going to do that. Hey Marcy, Hello, Hi Marcy
Kigy's court. You're the jury. What say you?

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Well, what I say is that on one end, I
do believe she's being a little over dramatic.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
However, he's also.

Speaker 6 (22:58):
Not completely off the hook with this one. I feel
like transparency is key to rebuilding that trust. I need
the work was done.

Speaker 8 (23:04):
For them to forgive and rebuild the trust.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
Then, yes, being transparent, he is part of the work
that everybody put in, So why not bring it up?
Why not say anything? Right, unless somebody has something to hide,
that's the only reason they would keep that valuable information.
I feel like, which give the other person peace of mind.

Speaker 9 (23:19):
But yes, she is but traumatic.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
I feel like this is something that could take a conversation, clarity,
maybe another couple of therapy sessions and uh, you know,
work through it.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
If the love is there, then just work through the issue.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, okay, all right, thank you, Marcy.

Speaker 8 (23:34):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Have a good day. Now, I'm here, I'm here, I'm
here in different perspectives here, Hi, Lucy, how you're going guys,
Go morning, Lucy, Good morning. Kiki's Court. So basically peeboard together,
male female there together, and dude cheated with a woman.
Now woman works, and they've moved on. The couple's moved
on the forgiveness and the whole thing, and they're engaged,

(23:56):
they're getting married. And now the woman that dude cheated
with now works with dude, and and he didn't come
home and just tell her that, And now she's canceling
the wedding and the whole thing. He didn't necessarily go
back there. We don't think he went back there. We
don't know that she's just mad because this lady's at
work every day and he didn't tell her. What do
you think?

Speaker 10 (24:17):
I think what she key said. I mean, he could
have avoided any type of even minor and insecurity that
the girlfriend's going to have, the fiance is going to
have by saying, hey, babe, really quick, super weird. She
works here, and I know what on happened, just so
you know, and you leave it there and then obviously
she might.

Speaker 9 (24:35):
Be on guard.

Speaker 10 (24:36):
But I mean, that's what a relationship is.

Speaker 9 (24:38):
It's awkward.

Speaker 8 (24:40):
You know, you got to get through it.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
Yeah, I guess, I guess you could. But that means
that you trust that you're not going to continue to
be penalized for the past, or that you're not digging
up all this stuff again.

Speaker 10 (24:50):
Trust like, hey, I trust that you're working with her.
Thanks for letting me know, person, I was previously.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Married and a lot was withheld, and.

Speaker 10 (24:57):
If it would have just been told to me, he'll
be married.

Speaker 9 (25:00):
So let me just tell you that.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
See he's screwed up, right, he's screwed up by cheating,
but he I'm guessing he doesn't trust that bringing that
information up is going to result in her going Okay, now,
I remember that we've moved past this, so I'm not
saying it's her fault at all. But I think the
reason he's not telling her is because he's afraid of
her reaction. And I don't know that he should be
afraid of her.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
That's valid, but that's valid.

Speaker 10 (25:25):
We all have fears, like if he loves her so
much and he's like, okay, chardy forgave me once? What
if his pushes are over the edge? I get all that,
But at the end of the day, like I guess,
we all don't have a handbook on what's right and
what's wrong. But I just honesty. I mean, if he
learns now like, honesty will always win, even if it's
super awkward, you know you'll feel better at the end

(25:45):
of the day.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Thank you, Lucy, have a good day.

Speaker 9 (25:47):
Thanks guys. Adore you, bye, I have.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
A bit more.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I adore you. That's nice thing to say. Fred. I
don't disagree with you often, but Kiki is right withholding
is not telling your partner. You're partners shouldn't have to ask.
But if your partner does, as you don't disclose, that's
a lie. I guess what I mean is if she
asked me and I lied, But like, what are you

(26:12):
asking about this woman constantly? Because again, we supposedly moved
on here. That's the biggest part of this. I'm not
saying forgiveness is easy, but she forgave him. There should
be zero penalty for whatever happens moving forward. If she
forgave him and he's holding up his end of the
bargain and there's trust. For whatever reason, he thought he
would be penalized for bringing this up again. And I'm

(26:32):
not saying that that's that she did anything wrong, but
I just think like he doesn't want he doesn't want
that smoke anymore.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
I understand what you don't want, but you brought the
smoke in the house, and so I need to know
that there's a new fire before and I need to know.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
But there isn't a new fire.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Oh, it's a fire. The house is on fire.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Beare hey, Christina? Hi, good morning, Hi, good morning.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
It was Kicky's court. You're the jury, what say you?

Speaker 9 (26:59):
Okay? So I just called ben Jos's a couple of
months ago, called off my wedding because I found out
my fiance was cheating on me. I mean, that's his
life and kinda the worst, but for her, like I

(27:21):
tried to make it work too. And then you just
find out new information and though it's old information to them,
it's new information to you. And when you try to
have moved past like the cheating, the cheating is always there,
but the transparency is what helps gets you through it.
And if he's nothing transparent, especially about this person he

(27:44):
cheated with now working with him, like he's completely.

Speaker 11 (27:47):
In the wrong.

Speaker 9 (27:48):
That is, she has every right to be upset about that,
because omission of information is lying.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
But we're implying here, we're projecting onto him that this
is automatically a problem, that any overlap between these two
is going to be an issue. And this is a
guy who I don't know why we're not giving him
the benefit of the doubt. And again, the only reason
I would say this is because he screwed up for
how Connery came clean and she chose to forgive him.

(28:19):
What I cannot stand is situations where I forgive you,
but I'm going to it's going to be an issue
for the rest of our lives. Well, then you didn't.
Then you didn't because this guy's got to have a
chance to redeem himself and you don't know him that,
by the way, But if you give him that, then
he can't be And I'm assuming he was afraid to
tell her.

Speaker 9 (28:39):
As he should be, but he lost the benefit of
the doubt once he je did a couple of years ago.
So whatever you don't tell her, she has all the
right to be obsessed.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I would agree that he doesn't need to fear her
reaction if in fact, he's living up to his end
of the bargain. So I don't know. I guess I
under said exactly what you're.

Speaker 9 (29:00):
Saying, living up to his end of the.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Bargain because we have to, because we because we forgave
and we're trusting now, or we're not. And you again,
I'm gonna say one more time, you don't owe anyone
that you don't have to do that, But then break
up because it'll never work if we're constantly living in
a world where this person's a threat. Yes, that's all
I'm saying about.

Speaker 9 (29:21):
She found she found out, So that is that is
a big deal. If you would have told her up front,
I feel like the transparency would have been more Okay,
let's work through this. But now she found out, so
now it's kind of like for me, I would be
like you lost, You lost any chance of forgiveness or

(29:42):
trying to make it work because you weren't.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Being transparent with Yeah, here's what I would have done, Christina.
I would have said, I would have come clean if
this woman comes in my proximity ever again, whether I
see her at the mall or at the car wash
or at Starbucks, or if I see her if she
now works at my business, if if my hands are clean,
I would have been transparent. But if I were to
pay any penalty for that, now we have now get

(30:08):
to decide that I do, though, Kiki, because we because
when you forgive someone and you move on, that we
can't every time this person's name comes up, where every
time you feel vulnerable, make me pay again. But because
we're moving forward, how.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
I'm going to react if you don't give me the opportunity,
So give me the chance to see how I'm going
to react.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
But what I'm saying is if I if you do
react poorly, beyond a certain point. Now I have issue.
Now I have issue to say. Now, wait a minute.
I thought if I thought we were moving forward, I
thought we acknowledged that I screwed up, that I acknowledge
that we went through the process. So I don't know
I would cover my ass. But I also think I
would have every right if you freak out on me,

(30:50):
to be like now, hold on.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, and I thought we were good. She may not
freak out on you.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Though, if any right. And he doesn't know that because
you didn't tell her, So I would have said something.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, you let some one else coming to him, So.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
He wasn't wrong for not being transferred in the first place.
That's all he was wrong.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I'm telling you what I would have done. Whether I
what I don't think he's wrong or not, it's up
to you. But and you think he's wrong, so that's fair.
Thank you, Christina. I'm sorry for what happened to you.
But onward and upward.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yep, it's more fishing to see girl a couple.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
You will be okay, Christina, have a good day. Okay,
by she gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Ready, No she's not ready to.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Hear it, No, she's not. But that's okay, she's gonna
be fined. Uh, Noel, how you doing good?

Speaker 7 (31:31):
How are you?

Speaker 8 (31:32):
I love you guys so much?

Speaker 4 (31:34):
You getting married than you?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Are you excited that you're getting married after hearing all
these kiggies court stories about people doing this and that.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Oh yeah, because it's strict in his courting room.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Well, let me let me just recap here quickly. And
this is kind of a hard one to recap. But
we have a couple. The dude cheated three years ago
with a woman. They moved past it, went through the process,
she forgave him, therapy, all these different things, and they've
moved forward where they're engaged, and they had a wedding
plant this woman finds out that the woman with whom

(32:05):
her fiance cheated now works where he does, and he
didn't tell her ye, and so she cancels the wedding.
I'm saying, that's not I don't think that's fair to
him if in fact, we truly forgave and move forward. Noel,
what say you?

Speaker 8 (32:22):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (32:23):
So I'm getting married in two months and found out
that the woman who my fiance cheated on me with
is now working with him every single day and he
did not tell me, I would call the wedding off
because obviously I did forgive you in the past, but
you're still proving to me that I cannot trust you.
Because if you have nothing to hide and we're gonna

(32:45):
be transparent and we're working on trust, you should have
told me in the beginning.

Speaker 9 (32:50):
That she's working with you.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
And there's the disconnection.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
Now if he works late at the office or they
go out for a company happy hours, it's gonna crypple you,
like it's going to literally cripple your your mental state,
and you're never going to trust him again. And I
love you, Fred with my whole, entire heart, But no,
my reaction is valid because you chose to not tell

(33:14):
me and you made this whole fire yourself, like you
chose this life.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
And that's my reaction is because I can't trust you anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I don't think this woman coming in my proximity three
years later or whatever makes me untrustworthy for not wanting
to open that wound again again, what would I do?
I would cover my butt and watch your reaction and
if you flip off, if you fly off the handle,
then I know where I stand. You haven't forgiven me
and we have a different problem.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
Now, you didn't. She didn't just come in your proximity.
You didn't just see her at the stoplight, bro, I.

Speaker 9 (33:50):
Did every day.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I'm just I'm going to give him the benefit of
the doubt. I'm going to give you the best. I'm
going to because I don't think. I don't think he
got her the job. I don't think he's out seeking
her and communicated with her to being close. If he is,
then he should have been forgiven if he knew all that.
The dump is ass. But I don't know. I don't

(34:11):
know how we live in this world. Whereas I forgive you,
but I kind of.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Did the term it's forever.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
No one's asking you to forget. But we can't just
every time you feel like it, just.

Speaker 11 (34:22):
Well, I will, but I'm not gonna freak out. But
I just don't want to be the clown in the
background that I didn't know. That's all this really is. Like, yeah,
it might hurt when you tell me, I might throw
a fit. I might, you know, punch a wall, I
might do all these things that I might just do.
The point is, if I forgave you, I'm with you, Like,
let me work through my emotions, but be honest, just
be straight up, like, this is happening at the office.
This person is here. I don't talk to her whatever,

(34:44):
I'm just letting you know she she is in the
office withholding.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
Sometimes I feel feels like people are trying to control
the other person's reaction. Yes, fortunately, like you have to
do the right thing, but be prepared that they might
not react well.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
But that's not on you and you can't control that period.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Thank you. Noell, have a good day. People are blowing
me up. Oh I'm so wrong. I'm strong. I told
you exactly what I would do, and it's the thing
that you want me to do. But what I'm hung
up on is that everyone is in here calling going
see he can't be trusted. What do you mean he
didn't do anything, but see what you're doing. But you're doing.
The thing I'm talking about is we've jumped to all

(35:20):
these conclusions. We don't have any information. We automatically assume
that this guy went and called her up and he
was like physically humping her and was like, I'm going
to get you a job. I'm gonna get you a job.
I gotta be next to you every day, So I
can physically hump you some more. I'm humping you.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
See, it's physically humping guys.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
This is what I mean. You guys are saying. You
guys are telling me I'm wrong, But you're saying that
you're you're jumping to all the conclusions that concerned me.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
And you told me the conclusions would not be there
because I would have you on FaceTime at work all day.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
And then Calin's point is true, is I think he's
probably a we not telling her because of this.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yes, I understand, but that's something to him. No, but
that's up to me. I get to choose how I react.

Speaker 11 (36:07):
I don't care what's fair to you.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
So you guys are saying me, you're saying all the
things that I'm saying would prevent, would prevent a lot
of people from going back there. That's it, Hey, Jill, how.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
You doing it?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I Hi, Jill. I'm gonna give you. The final sake
is I got to move on? What do you think?

Speaker 9 (36:27):
All right? So, I mean, I'm all about this forgive
and forget because I've done it. My ex husband left
me twice for the same woman. He's now happily married
to her, and I'm happily with someone else. So it
worked out for the best good. And I will say
I forgave and I forget, and he didn't tell me
when she came back into his life, and I said,

(36:48):
you know what, I forget. It's okay, it didn't work out.
Bred he should have been honest with her. If she's
back in his life in any capacity. Now, those terms
have changed. She forgave and forgot, she was gone, the
puzzle was removed.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Here's my other question.

Speaker 9 (37:04):
Sure comes back into the puzzle. You have to communicate and.

Speaker 10 (37:08):
You have to work through it.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I hear all that, and again that's probably what I
would do in this situation. What I would do and
what and me try me understanding maybe where he's coming
from her Two different things. But okay, So I come
home and I tell you, Hey, this woman who who is?
I caused you amends I did it? She didn't. I mean,
she was part of it. But I was married to you.
I'm the or I'm with you. I made the commitment

(37:31):
to you. I cause you great pain by being with
this woman is now is now in my presence every
day at my work. What am I putting you? And again,
I'm assuming that you're going to dislike that. Most people would.
But now now you get to relive all of that,
and for what Because I'm just assuming this guy's not
going back there now. If he is, we have a
whole different problem. But if we forgave him and we

(37:53):
trust him, then we're assuming that until we find out
otherwise that he is not. But now every day when
I go to work, you get to re live this
until you don't. And I'm saying that's not fair to
her either.

Speaker 9 (38:05):
No, it isn't. But isn't it worse? Isn't it so
much worse that she does go to the holiday party,
like someone said, goes to the holiday party and this
person's been working there for almost a year. You at what,
at some point found out this person had been sleeping
with your partner?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
I know, But is it worse when you find out
he didn't he wasn't doing anything.

Speaker 9 (38:25):
Or better, you're back too, he cheated on you behind
your back.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
But we're assuming he's not doing anything now just because
she's there.

Speaker 9 (38:32):
Yeah, I don't know, sure, just because she's there, but
that it's the sense of betrayal that he's now reignited
by withholding the impromation I.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Hear, I hear all of this. I think he's Dan
if he does, and Dan if he doesn't. In this, honestly,
i'd probably you know what I'd do, I'd get another job.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I quit my damn jo.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I quit my damn job.

Speaker 9 (38:52):
Sounds terrible.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I'm moving. I work at Wendy's now more important forget
Taco Bell. I've moved on. Jill, Jill, Jill, I don't
work there anymore. We're fine. I quit.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
Jill.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I don't know what you say, but have a good day, Jill,
Thank you for calling. Love you. I love Jill.

Speaker 11 (39:12):
Now I'm throwing your hand at the holiday party with
that shrimp cocktail.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
Come on going to the holiday party because I don't
work there.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, you know, tell me and then now get a
job there.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Now three of us call, Here we go, Here we go.

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