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a Fresh Show. It's Kiki's court, all right, the Honorable
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Kiki leak Ow on the bench.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Kiki, please, all right, let's get into the court room.
The gabble has been hit. It says, hey, Kiki, am
I wrong for reporting the evil nurse at my job?
My name is Nina, I'm I'm a single mom, college
student and part time CNA. I want to be a
nurse one day, but after working with some of the
most toxic nurses ever, I'm now reconsidering. Last week, I
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asked the nurse I was on duty with to help
me lift a patient, and this lady looked me dead
in my face and said, I don't get paid to
white butt, that's your job. I have my degree. I
was furious. This wasn't the first time that she's disrespected me.
And these nurses that I work with just sit at
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their desk gossipping shopping online while the CNAs do all
the damn work, and somehow they still get all the praise.
So I snapped some photos of her while she was
asleep at her desk and I sent them to management.
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Now she suspended and under investigation. Some of the coworkers
say I broke the code and I should have kept
quiet because she is also a single mom, But honestly,
I don't care. Somebody had to stand up for the CNAs.
Am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Wow? Okay, judge key key, what say you? Okay? You
know whether you're a CNA or nursing assistant. Yes, so
that would be like an understudy to a nurse. It's
a different level of training. I just want to be
clear that I understand the difference. Oh yes, so.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
There's different levels, but there's different levels at every job.
And my issue here is that I don't I will
say this, I don't think you're wrong for reporting her
to management. Why because her not helping you, first of
all with the patient, and then her falling asleep on
the job is also interfering with patient care and that
should be everyone nurse.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
You shouldn't be falling asleep at work. I think I
think all nurses would agree with that. If you are,
unless it's unless you're working a long shift, and there's
some sort of yes, you don't have to at me,
like if you're working and they do work long shift, right,
and if you're giving break where you're allowed to sleep.
But I mean, if you're at your desk asleep when
you're supposed to be monitoring patients, and I think we
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all agree you shouldn't be doing that, that's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And so that's my issue, right, So I don't think
you're wrong for reporting her because one, she didn't help
when you ask for help, and she was clearly maybe
available to help.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
But then also she's fallen asleep on the job. So no,
I don't think you're wrong for reporting her. And I
also just want to say, no matter what job or
feel you are in, I don't care the level of
what you become. You know, you can become the CEO
if somebody on the team needs help. You are not
above helping. Yes, you know, and I know not all
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are nurses.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
I like this.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
My sister is a nurse and that she would help anybody.
This is a singular problem situation. But you know, for
anyone in any field, just because you have a few
different titles or letters behind your name does not mean
you are above helping the team.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
And so I don't think you're wrong in this in
this case, I don't. I would love to know from nurses,
and we have a lot of nurses who listen eight five, five, five, nine,
one oh three five. We have probably a lot of
CNAs to listen to how you feel when you hear this,
because I would I would have to think that as
you're coming up in any field, that there are jobs
that you once did that maybe you have graduated from
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in some ways, that there are people that were you know,
that you were ones in their spot who are doing
those jobs now right, Like I would think that, you know,
maybe there are some tasks that I'm not going to
say you're above, but maybe you've surpassed. Maybe your knowledge
is more useful somewhere else. Yes, And so that would
be the job of someone quote unquote beneath you in
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the hierarchy. Now again, if you're sleeping, if you're just
WoT not helping people on your team, well that's just
bad practice. But what I would wonder is, if you're listening,
do you do you hear this and go now hold on,
like some of this might be true, like as if
you're at this level, you might have to do more
of that than I do because I did that already exactly.
So there's that there's that too that I'm that I
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wonder about because I I don't know, there's nothing here
that any of us wouldn't do. I know we've all
but yet there's also a lot of stuff that we've
done along the way that we don't do anymore. And
it's not that we wouldn't do it, it's just that
now we're being asked to do other things at a
different level. So someone else needs to do those things right.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Like nurses.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
A lot of times they're at the nurses station. They're
not just sitting there just vibing. They're charting, or they're
ordering medication or you know, they're filling out paperwork. It's
not like they're just having a great time. But in
this case, she did catch her lack.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And so, because we've also encountered people over the years,
and I'm not necessarily here, I'll make it a more
general statement. I'm sure everybody at work, wherever you work,
have encountered the people who refuse to do the menial task, oh,
because they've just decided they don't have to do it.
And it's like, now, hold on, you do have to
do it. And maybe I don't. And maybe I'm more
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senior to you, maybe I've been around longer, so maybe
I don't know. If this person has just consistently said
I won't white butts, I won't do it right, and
it's like, well, hold on would right, But if you
say that consistently, I mean the CNA. Maybe maybe the
junior person has been like, well I just refuse to
do that, and it's like, well, okay, but you don't
get to tell you don't. Maybe you don't get to
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refuse it at a certain point if you're new, or
you're learning, or you're coming up. Maybe paying your dues
involved doing tasks that you don't want to do. Because
I'm sure all the nurses who were once junior it
would be like it would be like taking the job
and say I'm not working overnight or I'm not working weekends.
It's like, no, you are because you have to, because
because we all because that's that's I've been here longer,
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and I already did that, and so you have to
work your way up. So I want you know, there's
two ways to look at this, but not being a
team player is not the answer. Jessica, you're a nurse.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yes, I am a nurse.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So what do you think when you hear this story
in kiki'schord.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I'm not surprised because I see it every day. I've
been a nurse almost twenty years. I'm an agency nurse,
so I'm all across Illinois. I go to about sixty facilities.
I'll work first, second, an third shift, of course, not
at the same time, but I see this everywhere I go,
where nurses have an air about themselves. I see it
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more than I should, because this is literally a daily
thing where they think, no, this is below my pay grade,
and they'll tell you I don't do that. It's even
to the point, yes, even to the point where nursing
students are at the facility and the students have to
just sit in a break room for the entire day
because the nurses do not want to be bothered. They'll
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tell you like, no, you cannot shadow me.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I don't have time for this.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
They're mean, well, let me ask you this in your
field though, And I'm just trying. I'm trying to see
both sides of this because again, I'll say it one
more time. Being a team player, I would especially in
a life saving industry I would think is very very important.
But do you graduate from some tasks at some point
and don't You don't?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
As a human you do not.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
But in the culture nursing.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Oh please is they'll tell you I don't do that. Okay,
I heard it every day?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Fair enough? Thank you, Thank you, Jessica. I appreciate your
perspective and thanks for listening. Have a good day.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Sure, thank you too.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Hm. Is it to y'alla?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yes, it is?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Hi good morning, so Kicky's court. Basically, there's a CNA
writing in saying that you know, a particular senior nurse
is not very helpful at work, and then she turned
her in for sleeping on the job. So it's kind
of twofold. You shouldn't be sleeping on the job. You
probably should be more helpful and supportive of people you
know below you in the hierarchy. But yet I don't
know do you ever graduate from certain tasks as a nurse?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
You know what, I believe that a nursing care everybody
is a team. Like Kiki said, I started from the
ground up. I was a CNA. Now I'm a director
of nursing. But at the end of the day, I
teach my team and I still uphold teamwork. So I
will scrub down and I will be a CNA to
help my team, because at the end of the day,
it's what have you done to make your residence lives better?
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You'll be appreciated by the families. Your resident will thank you,
the patient will thank you for making them feel better.
It is a marriage at work. It's a work marriage
type of thing. And I don't condone nurses slipping on
the job. You have a right to clock out. Go
sit in your car, take a ten minute and nap.
Come back you complete, because if you are needed in
a Code blue type of situation, you've got to be
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on your toes.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
You got to be awake to do what you need
to do.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
All right, understood, Thank you, have a good day, you too,
Glad you called? So Nancy? Is it acy? Is it acy? Yes?
It's measynacy. How are you doing? Easy? So what you
heard the story? And you think it was bogus that
the CNA took the picture.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yes, I think it was bogus that the CNA took
the picture. That's our livelihood and that's the way that
you take care of her children, now, soul. She had
been helping, absolutely, because that is all of our patients.
But no, you can't take no picture of her, make
this young lady lose her job. That's not right.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Should you But should you be sleeping? I'm sorry, Kiki,
but should you be sleeping at work? If you're not
supposed to be sleeping.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
You should not be sleeping. So they were both wrong.
They were They were both grown. But at the end
of the day, you could have You don't know what's
going on with her. We're all in health care. She
could she could be narcoaleptic, she could have anything. You
don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Is there is there an unspoken code amongst nurses that
you don't turn each other in for stuff like this.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
I'm not gonna say I won't say that. But at
the end of the day, we all work so hard
for we we do. We do have each other back absolutely, so.
I mean, you know, if somebody, hey, you want to
take extra five minutes on look on your lunch, I
got your patience, go ahead, and you know, lay your
head down in the break room.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
But the other face, let me say this, so storry
to rupt you. But but if you have each other's backs,
then that has to go both ways. Like she needs
to have her assistance back, and then her assistant will
have You don't just get that by being mean to
people or like if you if you're going to be
rude to someone or tell them that you're above them,
then I don't know why you're surprised if they rat
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on you when you're doing something wrong like that's isn't
that sort of.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
She shouldn't be surprised, She should have looked for this
coming because it's a it's a.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
It's a it's a it's a group.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
I guess you got fair enough.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Thank you, have a good day. I gotta say a
lot of these calls are kind of like they're playing
both sides. It's like, well, you shouldn't have done that,
but she shouldn't be surprised to happen. Well, I mean,
in the perfect world, nobody turns to anybody else, and
everyone's got each other's back, everyone's supportive. People make me
But like if I'm messing with me, if I'm not
a collegial co worker, and then I screw up and
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someone turns me in, I don't know why. I'm surprised,
you know what I mean, Like I'm not I'm not
a great teammate. So I mean, Caitlin, Hi, someone, Caitlyn,
turn your radio down? Please?
Speaker 6 (11:56):
You surprised?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Okay, I can't do that. Hey, when you call your
radio down, because what you're hearing is a few seconds behind.
So when you call, please turn the radio down. Number
call Hello, Hi, good morning, Hinda cool. What did you
want to say about Kiky's cord?
Speaker 7 (12:13):
Yeah, I just want to say, like I started out
as a CNA, and I'm now like the director of
nursing and so like working your way up, there's no
task that's really beneath you. If somebody's going to ask
for help, you get up and you help them, like
nothing is above your titles and things like that. So yeah,
I definitely would have you know, I've seen this happen
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just in the workplace in general, and I think that
DNA was right to to, you know, send that message.
And you know, people shouldn't be sleeping on the job.
The patients come first.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Okay, fair enough, thank you, have a good day.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Angie is a nurse? Hi, Angie the nurse? How you doing?
Speaker 7 (12:53):
Hi?
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Everyone?
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Hey? Hey, what do you say? What's say?
Speaker 6 (12:59):
You?
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Are the jury? Antiki score? What do you think? Final?
Say you?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Okay? So I worked at a CNA. I'm currently working
as an RN, and I have to go along with
the fact that that nurse should not have been sleeping.
She should have offered her help. They should not be
acting as if they are above CNA's We all work together.
I work in the er. I just got home from
a night shift, and even the doctors are there with
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us wiping. But quote unquote. So no, we all work together.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Okay, okay, So no matter what level you're at, because
I'm asking this question because I don't know whatever level
you're at as a nurse. Even if you have assistance,
there's nothing that is beneath you.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
No, absolutely not. I'll work together. We all help each
other because if I need help, I you know, they're
not going to help me if I'm not helping them too.
It's a team effort.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Fair enough, thank you and Nurse Auntie. Yeah, uh, have
a good day.