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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm thrown off nout. John Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You know this guy, John christ the comedian, he's like
a Christian comedian.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well you've before him.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He shows up a lot of different places, and he's
been a little not Christian at times too. He had
a bit of them, a bit of them. And this
is a few years ago. You know, people falter, you
know what I mean. May have been some ladies and
some substances, supposedly, allegedly, whatever they seem to have, they
seem to have solved the tipping problem in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's a very.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Popular, very popular topic on the show. I love to
talk about tipping. But but they were addressing a tweet
or an x or whatever. Is that what we're supposed
to call it?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
No an x uh?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And it says new rule if I order standing up,
I'm not tipping. This is what they had to say
about it. Whod on a second might have to watch
an ad? Is he gonna make me watch it? I
don't want to watch an ad. I'm not doing this.
Well that's that's that was essentially the gist of it. Here,
you're standing up, I'm not tipping?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, absolutely, this will save America.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
People are standing there because that guy's standing there and
you're not coming out here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
We're both on our feet, bro, we're both standing up here.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
We both need it, We're both we're both doing the
same work right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Four and a half hours. We both are going to
go and break. If I'm tipping you, then you're tipping
me too.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't know about that, But the point is, these
guys think they got it nailed. If you're standing, if
you order standing up, you don't have to tip. Now
Is that going to be the Is that the new line?
Is that where we draw the line on tipping? Because
I mean everywhere you go, everywhere you go there is
there is no place now that doesn't except for maybe McDonald's.
(01:45):
It doesn't ask for a tip, especially on little automated system.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Flip it over. It's no service nowhere.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Okay, where do you decide, like, how are we going
to decide as a society when where to draw the line?
Because I feel like it you used to be when
you went to a restaurant and somebody served you, you tipped.
When you went to a bar and somebody served you,
you tipped. If you went to a hotel and the
guy carried your bags, for you. You tipped him, Vallet Parker,
you tipped him all service related. They were doing something
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for you that you weren't going to do for yourself,
that you could have done for yourself, and you're tipping now.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
The same could be true.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I suppose when you go to a fest food restaurant
or a place where you order standing up, they're going
to make the sandwich for you, they're going to make
the hamburger or whatever, and you're.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Not but you're also paying for that service.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
A lot of this other stuff was either you got
exceptional service so you paid extra, or the service was
free to you, so you tipped for it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So is this where we're drawing the line.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But see it doesn't work because now they're asking for
tips through the drive through and I'm technically sitting down,
But why am I tipping you to give me my
drink through the drive through?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Aside from all those services that you just listened, because
I always tip on those, I have to check in
with myself and my spirit that specific day and see
if I.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Feel like tipping.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
It can't be black or white for my brain, it
hurts too much, So like I just check in, say
how am I feeling Am I feeling giving? And if
it's either a yes or no, the answer is always no.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Well are you not for me?
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Sometimes I like, yeah, at.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
That's two places at at like sporting events. I'm not
I'm not tipping you to give me a hot dog.
You know what I'm saying, Like it's it's it's no
for me. If I'm standing, I'm I'm with this guy.
If I'm standing, I'm not tipping.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But if you're sitting in the drive through and I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Tipping, no, I'll stand in the drive I'll stand outside
my car.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Okay, so you will stand up now if that's the
new rule, they need to pull up to the drive
rut your car, which do not encourage.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
They don't want you to do that.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
If someone so exceptionally like wonderful or nice, you don't
ever feel compelled to go. Like that woman just turned
my day around. It's like I don't know, Like it
doesn't have to be black or white. Yeah, I guess,
but like I mean exceptional servant. But like that's I mean,
it's kind of your job. You know what I'm saying,
You should have exceptional service for everything.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, we can take a quick survey on this eight five, five, five,
nine one one three five Is that going to be
the new rule if I order standing up? Because here's
the thing, it's not even like, of course you have
you always have the option to give somebody an extra
couple bucks. You always had that option, and if you're
feeling generous and if the person was very nice to
you or did a great job or whatever, then you
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should you should always do that. But my question is
is it now just becoming the expectation that you're gonna
do it every time?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I mean, that's That's where I'm at with this is
is what are we like programming ourselves and what is
the hospitality industry now expect from us? Because if I
almost feel like we should take some like if I
owned a restaurant and and you you ordered standing up,
I feel like I might even say, figure out another
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way to incentivize my employees and take that off the
little computer thing entirely because it kind it's kind of
annoying because they they look at you.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm not saying day, but like sometimes they look at you.
It's awkward for everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's awkward for the cashier, it's awkward for me when
they're like, well, it's going to ask you a question,
and it's like I look at you, I look down
at the thing, and you're looking at me, and I'm like,
the question is if I'm going to give you extra
money or not. And so sometimes I feel guilty into
doing it because you're staring at me. And I don't
think these people necessarily because it's not like they get
every dollar that anyway. A lot of times it's split
up or whatever. So it's just a whole awkward thing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I know.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
But is that on the company or the worker?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Because made that decision.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
If Yeah, if I own the business, I might say
okay for the sit down stuff. Of course, for the
stand up stuff, I'm taking that option away so that
we don't have to and the employees might get mad.
But it's like, then I need to figure out another
way to say that I'm going to reward you for
being excellent in this other way, you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Know, I just I don't.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
I also hate now, like when they spin that thing
around at you, right yeah, but they it's like what
percent tip do you want?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Like five, ten, fifteen, there's no like five, but whatever,
like putting.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Numbers out there, but like there's it's hard to find
the cancel button or like you have to ask them like.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Where's the where's the so you're like tip the buttons
right sometime? Now they're hiding it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What Yeah, I could.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Trying to like guilt you. So you have to ask
that person, so you feel like a jerk, Like, but it's.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Not on them.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
They didn't make that decision. So why would we punish
them for asking for a tip? You know, no, I'm
saying they're punished.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
They make you feel like you're whatever, Like you have
to ask the employee, now, where's the other option here?
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So you look like you're not gonna so they know
you're not gonna tip.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Every time we talk about tipping, you know, we get
this stuff, Oh Fred, you're you know, you have this job,
you're entitled or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's not that.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's just that I feel like the purpose of tipping
was to incentivize a person to work harder, to get more, right,
I mean, wasn't that And again like and so that way,
if I am a really really excellent intensive server, then
I stand to make more money. Now if people are
taking advantage of that and they're not tipping like they should.
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Now that's a problem. That's that's not good. That's on
you as the consumer. But like if I just do
an average job but expect an above average tip, that
defeats the purpose. That's not the point, right, Like as
a consumer, and I guess I would ask the people
who are in the service industry to they're listening now, going, no,
you should give me extra money because it's not a
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great job or I don't you know whatever, it's hard work.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, but I would ask you then to flip it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And when you're sitting down, if someone did an average,
subpar job, do you in your mind do you still
want to give them twenty percent? Or is that just
the cost of doing business? If I go to a
sit down restaurant, I'm just paying twenty percent. Now if
I go order anything and anybody makes it, I just
have to tip.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That's just what it is.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Now I have to supplement. I have to just add
two or three bucks to everything I order. Is that
is that just where we're at? Cause again, like let's
say you do an amazing like there's a couple of
restaurants I go to where they do such a good
like they remember my drink, and it's just like they
really work at it and they get a much bigger
tip than twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If you make me look good, I'll tip you a lot.
If I'm on a date or something, you make me
look good, you know what I mean. But like, at
the same time, if I go there and they don't care,
then I can't. I'm not gonna tip them the same way,
you know what I mean. And if you know you're
gonna get the same tip no matter what you do,
then you maybe just do an average job. I don't know,
maybe just do an average job. Everyone's quiet because they
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don't want to smoke. You don't want to smoke.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
No, blame your bosses, Blame your corporation, Blame the corporation.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
It's a corporation that's putting these tips out there, that's
not paying you enough, so they make it on the
consumer to pay you.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
And it's not my problem.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well and then but then it's it's I will admit this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Then if they go make the food more expensive, then
the customers complain, and so it's it's it's all a
shell game, right. They want you to help kind of
supplement where they're not paying as much because they don't
want to raise their menu prices because it would then
it would get to the point where nobody would come in.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But does THEE doesn't need like this fifty way?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You say that, but four yachts could break. And if
I'm going on vacation four of my yachts are broken,
then what the hell am I supposed to do as
the CEO of this company? H and I only have
three yachts in case the other two were in the shop? Sandy, Hi,
what did you want to say?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Good morning?
Speaker 9 (09:29):
Hi? I wanted to say. You know, years ago, I
used to be a server and service only got paid
less than half of what full time people got paid.
And that's why we we we needed tips and in
order to supplement our income. So therefore we give great
service in order to get a higher tip.
Speaker 10 (09:50):
But for fast food people, they get full time, right,
you know, most of the people, they get full time.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
Salaries, and if you're supposed to they are supposed to
give great service anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, and we are paying for it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
By the way, Like I'm not picking on McDonald's, but
a drink used to be a dollar, now it's three
a Hasproun used to be whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Now it's three.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And that's not a medium, by the way, No, they're
new mediums.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's a small Yeah, I'm just saying I'm just saying so,
and again, not entitlement. It's just we're paying for We
are paying for it because the salaries or you know,
the hourly wages or salaries are going up, which is great,
but it is being passed on to the consumer. So
it's the whole thing is getting a little bit out
of hand, to the point where if we're supposed to
tip everybody every time, what's going to happen is eventually
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people I think, will just stop going out as much.
And that's that's a bigger problem if no one's coming
to your business. And again you could sit here and say, well, Fred,
if it's if the twenty percent is preventing people from
going to McDonald's, okay, But I mean, if I'm paying
thirteen dollars or ten dollars for a meal and now
I got it, now it's twelve, and it's a lie.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
The adds up it really does.
Speaker 9 (10:57):
Yeah, book your server.
Speaker 10 (11:00):
When you're not getting full time salary, what's the point
of even becoming a server if you you know, I
might as well then just go and apply at McDonald's,
being that I could get more salory and a tip.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah maybe, So thank you, Cindy. You have a great day.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Okay you too.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh well, you know we love tipping around here for
people that don't make tips, we love tipping.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Hey Christina, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So the the idea was presented that if you ordered
a restaurant standing up, or you know, a coffee place
or whatever, you're not tipping or the people aren't tipping.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
What do you think?
Speaker 11 (11:35):
I find it very tough because half the time you
go into one of those restaurants, the ones that you
know is grab a bag and go, and they don't
even get the order right, so you're going back in
because it's incorrect. So I find it really difficult to
tip when you haven't even had your food yet, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Like, yeah, it's true, Yeah, this is really difficult.
Speaker 11 (11:55):
Like when you're in a sit down restaurant, you eat
your food and then you pay right where is when
you walk into like McDonald's, a Chick fil a, subway whatever, right,
you don't know until you've actually got home half the time,
how good your food is, And then you're like, well,
why did I give them eighteen.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Percent for cool right the wrong order? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, well Christina, thank yeah, No, it's a good point.
Thank you have a good day.
Speaker 11 (12:19):
Do you have a great day.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Think I've noticed that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Too about the delivery services, because you guys know I
frequent the delivery services. I am probably the best customer
right dash that ever was made, that ever lived. In fact,
I think they're going to name something out or give
me an award college or something. Yeah, no, I am,
But I've noticed, you know, you tip up front right
on the app, and I think I usually give a
good tip because I want to incentivize them to do
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it and quickly take the order. But what happens is
I the tip's already been given, so sometimes they'll bring
it up to my unit. Sometimes they won't. They'll just
throw it at the front and leave. But it's like,
but I already tipped them, so and I'm not going
to go back into the app and take the tip away.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But I'm getting varied levels of service.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So now I'm like, well, I don't know, Maybe I
don't want to tip up from because I want to
see what you do, because that's the point, right, And
the other thing is you guys know how I feel
about I feel like everybody should work in retail or
the food service industry are both at one point in
their lives, especially when they're young, to learn how to
deal with people.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Shared tipping would piss me off. Like the other day
we were at the bar before a baseball game and
the girl was yes, she was working her asshole for
I mean, she was really hustling. And at the end,
the lady it was Amy Witherright, I think it was,
or it was her loss. Somebody gave her a big tip,
like a big cash tip, and she's like, thanks, but
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I and thank you. She was very grateful. But then
it was like she told us, this goes into the
I can't keep this, I have to give this to
the restaurant, and then everything gets divided equally. And I
know that's because there are people that you don't see
who are also working hard who deserve to get a
tip as well. But like, if you are above and
this girl was working ten times as hard as anybody else,
but she's gonna make the same amount of money at
the end of the day. So what instant advises you
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then to work that hard aside from just pride. I
guess which doesn't pay the bills? Hey Tina, Hello Tina,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Uh? You know what my rule of thumb now is
because so many places, like you guys said or tip
tip tip. If I didn't chip before, I do not
tip now?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, right, okay, hell yeah Tina. Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So you're saying that as the trends evolved and it
sort of shows up everywhere at the dry cleaners and
everywhere else, you're like, no, I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well, every place has either a chip cup out or
you know, yes, when you when you have a card
credit card, it comes up. You know, do you want
to leave a tip? I never left a tip at
McDonald's before, or you know different places like that concession stand.
You know, like there's different different ones. And and my
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family is in the service industry, and and you know,
when you're a wagers and you only make a couple
dollars an hour, you know you're gonna get really good
service so that you get tip. But now you have
the service workers that are yes they're service workers, but
they're making twelve fourteen dollars an hour and they're still
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asking for tips. It just kind of it rubs me
the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
All right, Tina, Well, thank you, have a good day,
you too, Thank you for listening. Now people are like, well,
if you get on the app, it cost it's I'm like, okay,
I don't know. I'm just saying everything more expective, drink.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I just read a story this morning about how most
people are having a difficult time with inflation. It's and
I get it, but like it affects everybody. Yes, if
you go to a restaurant, you should be able to
afford to, you know, incentivize service.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Sure, but like not every restaurant, not every store. Like
I go to a car wash, that's a drive up
car wash. Now they added on the screen. You think,
like you want to tip to employees. It's like the
employees do people try? You know, Oh, there's a guy
that's like telling me to put my car on the
track and that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And that's only guy.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I seem like, I'm they're no way to driving my car, right,
I'm like sew myself.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Right, Like it's whatever, it's a five dollars car wash.
You want me to pay ten dollars now for a
car wash. No, but if they dry, I always say, right, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's a hard topic because you can I can see
both sides and I'm not somebody again, like the shared
tipping thing, Yeah, there are guys in the back that
should get a piece of it. They're working hard too,
and they should get a piece. But then again, these
services supposed to tip out as well. So like I say,
no shared, I say, I want to work in a
place where I get my own tips for whatever whatever
I do or don't do. And then I need to
be a good partner and a good co worker, and
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I need to tip out the percentage of what I
make and if I make more than they get more.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But again, maybe maybe that makes me like a I
don't know, like a bad guy or something, but I
know not at all. I would go to work and
it's like I'm gonna bust my assiw I'm gonna make
more money now if you take again, I'm gonna say
one more time, if you're a consumer, you take advantage
of that and you don't tip, or you tip poorly
and someone's working there, well, then you're then you're part
of the problem, right then, don't say anything about it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You're not allowed to talk about it.
I'm thrown off nout. John Chris.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You know this guy, John christ the comedian, he's like
a Christian comedian.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Well you've before him.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
He shows up a lot of different places, and he's
been a little not Christian at times too. He had
a bit of them, a bit of them. And this
is a few years ago. You know, people falter, you
know what I mean. May have been some ladies and
some substances, supposedly, allegedly, whatever they seem to have, they
seem to have solved the tipping problem in the world.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
That's a very.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Popular, very popular topic on the show. I love to
talk about tipping. But but they were addressing a tweet
or an x or whatever. Is that what we're supposed
to call it?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
No an x uh?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
And it says new rule if I order standing up,
I'm not tipping. This is what they had to say
about it. Whod on a second might have to watch
an ad? Is he gonna make me watch it? I
don't want to watch an ad. I'm not doing this.
Well that's that's that was essentially the gist of it. Here,
you're standing up, I'm not tipping?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, absolutely, this will save America.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
People are standing there because that guy's standing there and
you're not coming out here.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
We're both on our feet, bro, we're both standing up here.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
We both need it, We're both we're both doing the
same work right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Four and a half hours. We both are going to
go and break. If I'm tipping you, then you're tipping
me too.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I don't know about that, But the point is, these
guys think they got it nailed. If you're standing, if
you order standing up, you don't have to tip. Now
Is that going to be the Is that the new line?
Is that where we draw the line on tipping? Because
I mean everywhere you go, everywhere you go there is
there is no place now that doesn't except for maybe McDonald's.
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It doesn't ask for a tip, especially on little automated system.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Flip it over. It's no service nowhere.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Okay, where do you decide, like, how are we going
to decide as a society when where to draw the line?
Because I feel like it you used to be when
you went to a restaurant and somebody served you, you tipped.
When you went to a bar and somebody served you,
you tipped. If you went to a hotel and the
guy carried your bags, for you. You tipped him, Vallet Parker,
you tipped him all service related. They were doing something
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for you that you weren't going to do for yourself,
that you could have done for yourself, and you're tipping now.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
The same could be true.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I suppose when you go to a fest food restaurant
or a place where you order standing up, they're going
to make the sandwich for you, they're going to make
the hamburger or whatever, and you're.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Not but you're also paying for that service.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
A lot of this other stuff was either you got
exceptional service so you paid extra, or the service was
free to you, so you tipped for it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So is this where we're drawing the line.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But see it doesn't work because now they're asking for
tips through the drive through and I'm technically sitting down,
But why am I tipping you to give me my
drink through the drive through?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Aside from all those services that you just listened, because
I always tip on those, I have to check in
with myself and my spirit that specific day and see
if I.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Feel like tipping.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
It can't be black or white for my brain, it
hurts too much, So like I just check in, say
how am I feeling Am I feeling giving? And if
it's either a yes or no, the answer is always no.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Well are you not for me?
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Sometimes I like, yeah, at.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
That's two places at at like sporting events. I'm not
I'm not tipping you to give me a hot dog.
You know what I'm saying, Like it's it's it's no
for me. If I'm standing, I'm I'm with this guy.
If I'm standing, I'm not tipping.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But if you're sitting in the drive through and I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Tipping, no, I'll stand in the drive I'll stand outside
my car.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Okay, so you will stand up now if that's the
new rule, they need to pull up to the drive
rut your car, which do not encourage.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
They don't want you to do that.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
If someone so exceptionally like wonderful or nice, you don't
ever feel compelled to go. Like that woman just turned
my day around. It's like I don't know, Like it
doesn't have to be black or white. Yeah, I guess,
but like I mean exceptional servant. But like that's I mean,
it's kind of your job. You know what I'm saying,
You should have exceptional service for everything.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Well, we can take a quick survey on this eight five, five, five,
nine one one three five Is that going to be
the new rule if I order standing up? Because here's
the thing, it's not even like, of course you have
you always have the option to give somebody an extra
couple bucks. You always had that option, and if you're
feeling generous and if the person was very nice to
you or did a great job or whatever, then you
(04:24):
should you should always do that. But my question is
is it now just becoming the expectation that you're gonna
do it every time?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I mean, that's That's where I'm at with this is
is what are we like programming ourselves and what is
the hospitality industry now expect from us? Because if I
almost feel like we should take some like if I
owned a restaurant and and you you ordered standing up,
I feel like I might even say, figure out another
(04:53):
way to incentivize my employees and take that off the
little computer thing entirely because it kind it's kind of
annoying because they they look at you.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I'm not saying day, but like sometimes they look at you.
It's awkward for everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's awkward for the cashier, it's awkward for me when
they're like, well, it's going to ask you a question,
and it's like I look at you, I look down
at the thing, and you're looking at me, and I'm like,
the question is if I'm going to give you extra
money or not. And so sometimes I feel guilty into
doing it because you're staring at me. And I don't
think these people necessarily because it's not like they get
every dollar that anyway. A lot of times it's split
up or whatever. So it's just a whole awkward thing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I know.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
But is that on the company or the worker?
Speaker 6 (05:28):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Because made that decision.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
If Yeah, if I own the business, I might say
okay for the sit down stuff. Of course, for the
stand up stuff, I'm taking that option away so that
we don't have to and the employees might get mad.
But it's like, then I need to figure out another
way to say that I'm going to reward you for
being excellent in this other way, you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Know, I just I don't.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
I also hate now, like when they spin that thing
around at you, right yeah, but they it's like what
percent tip do you want?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Like five, ten, fifteen, there's no like five, but whatever,
like putting.
Speaker 8 (06:00):
Numbers out there, but like there's it's hard to find
the cancel button or like you have to ask them like.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Where's the where's the so you're like tip the buttons
right sometime? Now they're hiding it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
What Yeah, I could.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Trying to like guilt you. So you have to ask
that person, so you feel like a jerk, Like, but it's.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Not on them.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
They didn't make that decision. So why would we punish
them for asking for a tip? You know, no, I'm
saying they're punished.
Speaker 8 (06:26):
They make you feel like you're whatever, Like you have
to ask the employee, now, where's the other option here?
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So you look like you're not gonna so they know
you're not gonna tip.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Every time we talk about tipping, you know, we get
this stuff, Oh Fred, you're you know, you have this job,
you're entitled or whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
It's not that.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It's just that I feel like the purpose of tipping
was to incentivize a person to work harder, to get more, right,
I mean, wasn't that And again like and so that way,
if I am a really really excellent intensive server, then
I stand to make more money. Now if people are
taking advantage of that and they're not tipping like they should.
(07:05):
Now that's a problem. That's that's not good. That's on
you as the consumer. But like if I just do
an average job but expect an above average tip, that
defeats the purpose. That's not the point, right, Like as
a consumer, and I guess I would ask the people
who are in the service industry to they're listening now, going, no,
you should give me extra money because it's not a
(07:25):
great job or I don't you know whatever, it's hard work.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, but I would ask you then to flip it.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And when you're sitting down, if someone did an average,
subpar job, do you in your mind do you still
want to give them twenty percent? Or is that just
the cost of doing business? If I go to a
sit down restaurant, I'm just paying twenty percent. Now if
I go order anything and anybody makes it, I just
have to tip.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
That's just what it is.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Now I have to supplement. I have to just add
two or three bucks to everything I order. Is that
is that just where we're at? Cause again, like let's
say you do an amazing like there's a couple of
restaurants I go to where they do such a good
like they remember my drink, and it's just like they
really work at it and they get a much bigger
tip than twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
If you make me look good, I'll tip you a lot.
If I'm on a date or something, you make me
look good, you know what I mean. But like, at
the same time, if I go there and they don't care,
then I can't. I'm not gonna tip them the same way,
you know what I mean. And if you know you're
gonna get the same tip no matter what you do,
then you maybe just do an average job. I don't know,
maybe just do an average job. Everyone's quiet because they
(08:31):
don't want to smoke. You don't want to smoke.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
No, blame your bosses, Blame your corporation, Blame the corporation.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
It's a corporation that's putting these tips out there, that's
not paying you enough, so they make it on the
consumer to pay you.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
And it's not my problem.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well and then but then it's it's I will admit this.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Then if they go make the food more expensive, then
the customers complain, and so it's it's it's all a
shell game, right. They want you to help kind of
supplement where they're not paying as much because they don't
want to raise their menu prices because it would then
it would get to the point where nobody would come in.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
But does THEE doesn't need like this fifty way?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You say that, but four yachts could break. And if
I'm going on vacation four of my yachts are broken,
then what the hell am I supposed to do as
the CEO of this company? H and I only have
three yachts in case the other two were in the shop? Sandy, Hi,
what did you want to say?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Good morning?
Speaker 9 (09:29):
Hi? I wanted to say. You know, years ago, I
used to be a server and service only got paid
less than half of what full time people got paid.
And that's why we we we needed tips and in
order to supplement our income. So therefore we give great
service in order to get a higher tip.
Speaker 10 (09:50):
But for fast food people, they get full time, right,
you know, most of the people, they get full time.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
Salaries, and if you're supposed to they are supposed to
give great service anyway.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, and we are paying for it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
By the way, Like I'm not picking on McDonald's, but
a drink used to be a dollar, now it's three
a Hasproun used to be whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Now it's three.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
And that's not a medium, by the way, No, they're
new mediums.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's a small Yeah, I'm just saying I'm just saying so,
and again, not entitlement. It's just we're paying for We
are paying for it because the salaries or you know,
the hourly wages or salaries are going up, which is great,
but it is being passed on to the consumer. So
it's the whole thing is getting a little bit out
of hand, to the point where if we're supposed to
tip everybody every time, what's going to happen is eventually
(10:36):
people I think, will just stop going out as much.
And that's that's a bigger problem if no one's coming
to your business. And again you could sit here and say, well, Fred,
if it's if the twenty percent is preventing people from
going to McDonald's, okay, But I mean, if I'm paying
thirteen dollars or ten dollars for a meal and now
I got it, now it's twelve, and it's a lie.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
The adds up it really does.
Speaker 9 (10:57):
Yeah, book your server.
Speaker 10 (11:00):
When you're not getting full time salary, what's the point
of even becoming a server if you you know, I
might as well then just go and apply at McDonald's,
being that I could get more salory and a tip.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah maybe, So thank you, Cindy. You have a great day.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Okay you too.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh well, you know we love tipping around here for
people that don't make tips, we love tipping.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Hey Christina, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Good morning.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So the the idea was presented that if you ordered
a restaurant standing up, or you know, a coffee place
or whatever, you're not tipping or the people aren't tipping.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
What do you think?
Speaker 11 (11:35):
I find it very tough because half the time you
go into one of those restaurants, the ones that you
know is grab a bag and go, and they don't
even get the order right, so you're going back in
because it's incorrect. So I find it really difficult to
tip when you haven't even had your food yet, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Like, yeah, it's true, Yeah, this is really difficult.
Speaker 11 (11:55):
Like when you're in a sit down restaurant, you eat
your food and then you pay right where is when
you walk into like McDonald's, a Chick fil a, subway whatever, right,
you don't know until you've actually got home half the time,
how good your food is, And then you're like, well,
why did I give them eighteen.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Percent for cool right the wrong order? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, well Christina, thank yeah, No, it's a good point.
Thank you have a good day.
Speaker 11 (12:19):
Do you have a great day.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Think I've noticed that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Too about the delivery services, because you guys know I
frequent the delivery services. I am probably the best customer
right dash that ever was made, that ever lived. In fact,
I think they're going to name something out or give
me an award college or something. Yeah, no, I am,
But I've noticed, you know, you tip up front right
on the app, and I think I usually give a
good tip because I want to incentivize them to do
(12:41):
it and quickly take the order. But what happens is
I the tip's already been given, so sometimes they'll bring
it up to my unit. Sometimes they won't. They'll just
throw it at the front and leave. But it's like,
but I already tipped them, so and I'm not going
to go back into the app and take the tip away.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But I'm getting varied levels of service.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
So now I'm like, well, I don't know, Maybe I
don't want to tip up from because I want to
see what you do, because that's the point, right, And
the other thing is you guys know how I feel
about I feel like everybody should work in retail or
the food service industry are both at one point in
their lives, especially when they're young, to learn how to
deal with people.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Shared tipping would piss me off. Like the other day
we were at the bar before a baseball game and
the girl was yes, she was working her asshole for
I mean, she was really hustling. And at the end,
the lady it was Amy Witherright, I think it was,
or it was her loss. Somebody gave her a big tip,
like a big cash tip, and she's like, thanks, but
(13:38):
I and thank you. She was very grateful. But then
it was like she told us, this goes into the
I can't keep this, I have to give this to
the restaurant, and then everything gets divided equally. And I
know that's because there are people that you don't see
who are also working hard who deserve to get a
tip as well. But like, if you are above and
this girl was working ten times as hard as anybody else,
but she's gonna make the same amount of money at
the end of the day. So what instant advises you
(14:00):
then to work that hard aside from just pride. I
guess which doesn't pay the bills? Hey Tina, Hello Tina,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Uh? You know what my rule of thumb now is
because so many places, like you guys said or tip
tip tip. If I didn't chip before, I do not
tip now?
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, right, okay, hell yeah Tina. Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So you're saying that as the trends evolved and it
sort of shows up everywhere at the dry cleaners and
everywhere else, you're like, no, I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Well, every place has either a chip cup out or
you know, yes, when you when you have a card
credit card, it comes up. You know, do you want
to leave a tip? I never left a tip at
McDonald's before, or you know different places like that concession stand.
You know, like there's different different ones. And and my
(14:57):
family is in the service industry, and and you know,
when you're a wagers and you only make a couple
dollars an hour, you know you're gonna get really good
service so that you get tip. But now you have
the service workers that are yes they're service workers, but
they're making twelve fourteen dollars an hour and they're still
(15:18):
asking for tips. It just kind of it rubs me
the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
All right, Tina, Well, thank you, have a good day,
you too, Thank you for listening. Now people are like, well,
if you get on the app, it cost it's I'm like, okay,
I don't know. I'm just saying everything more expective, drink.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
I just read a story this morning about how most
people are having a difficult time with inflation. It's and
I get it, but like it affects everybody. Yes, if
you go to a restaurant, you should be able to
afford to, you know, incentivize service.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Sure, but like not every restaurant, not every store. Like
I go to a car wash, that's a drive up
car wash. Now they added on the screen. You think,
like you want to tip to employees. It's like the
employees do people try? You know, Oh, there's a guy
that's like telling me to put my car on the
track and that's it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
And that's only guy.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
I seem like, I'm they're no way to driving my car, right,
I'm like sew myself.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Right, Like it's whatever, it's a five dollars car wash.
You want me to pay ten dollars now for a
car wash. No, but if they dry, I always say, right, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
It's a hard topic because you can I can see
both sides and I'm not somebody again, like the shared
tipping thing, Yeah, there are guys in the back that
should get a piece of it. They're working hard too,
and they should get a piece. But then again, these
services supposed to tip out as well. So like I say,
no shared, I say, I want to work in a
place where I get my own tips for whatever whatever
I do or don't do. And then I need to
be a good partner and a good co worker, and
(16:41):
I need to tip out the percentage of what I
make and if I make more than they get more.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
But again, maybe maybe that makes me like a I
don't know, like a bad guy or something, but I
know not at all. I would go to work and
it's like I'm gonna bust my assiw I'm gonna make
more money now if you take again, I'm gonna say
one more time, if you're a consumer, you take advantage
of that and you don't tip, or you tip poorly
and someone's working there, well, then you're then you're part
of the problem, right then, don't say anything about it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You're not allowed to talk about it.
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