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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the twenty eighth. And I'm asking you know, obviously, everyone
(00:41):
in the room, everyone at home, eight five, five, five
nine one one oh three to five, you can call
in Texas, same number. But either as a parent or
as a kid, did you did your parents ever? Was
there ever a moment with your parents that was like
the we're going to overcome this fear moment where they
like way overcorrected on something like almost scared you, Like,
(01:02):
like I almost wonder if in today's generation it wouldn't
even be considered abuse, which it probably shouldn't be. But like,
for example, this is a story today. There's a parenting
stump that's gone viral. A guy named Garrett G is
a travel influencer known as the bucket List Dad, and
he's under fire after posting a video of himself throwing
his seven year old son off a cliff into a
lake to teach him courage. The boy screened on the
(01:25):
way down but appeared fine afterwards. He says the jump
was safe and consensual, but critics call it reckless and dangerous.
The video has over three and a half million views,
so I can see how this went down. Hey kid,
you know you want to jump off that cliff? You know, Like,
I'm sure it was one of those that is I
feel like a lot of lakes have them where it's
I was just that one recently where it's like, oh,
people jump off that you want to jump off that?
(01:46):
You know, there's like boats around it, So okay, we
know it's deep enough and relatively safe, all right, And
the kid's probably like, no, I don't want to, and
then Dad's like, oh no, no, come on, come on, come on,
you can do it. And then finally it becomes this
debate where they will just come up there and look,
and then he throws him off right, and then you
could argue, well, he did it, And I bet you
(02:07):
my guess would be after he did it that one time,
he ran right back up there and did it again
because he knew he could do it. And I don't
know that for effect, he could be traumatized for life.
I potentially asking to emancipate from his family. But you know,
it could have also been the thing that the kid.
And I'm not suggesting this was a good idea, but
it could have been the thing that the kid needed
to get over the fear. Again, not saying this is
(02:29):
excellent parenting, but you know, if you've been listening for
a while, then you know the story about my parents
got divorced when I was pretty young and my mom
met I dated one guy, married him and I was
probably ten, and he introduced me to so much stuff
and he's adopted me, adopted my sister who's seven and
a half years younger. I mean, he's my dad, and
(02:51):
you know, but he was. He was the outdoorsman. He
was the hunter and the fisher and the you know
when skiing and and and airplanes, you know, aviation, that
him too. So so one of our first trip together,
that the first time that I had ever been away
from Mom with him, we went skiing and I had
never skied before, and so, you know, I took some
lessons and I was I don't know, I was kind
(03:13):
of like scared of stuff. I was kind of like
meek and codependent, and I don't know, my parents just
get divorces, but you know whatever. This is the same
era where the guy sent me the summer camp and
I hated it, and and you know, in retrospect it
was probably it should have been the greatest sim of
my entire life. But nonetheless not that I, you know,
lament on that every day, but the luxury short. I
(03:34):
just I wasn't really like doing that great at it.
And so in his brilliant wisdom, he decides, and he's
a great skier, grew up in Vermont. He goes, Okay,
well I'm gonna take you. We're gonna go up to
top of the mounta. We're gonna go on on a
you're gonna be You're gonna love this. It's gonna be great.
He takes me to a double black Diamond, which is
at that mountain the hardest run there is. I kid
you not when I say it was so steep that
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if I had stood up, if you could have and
my finger out, I would have been touching the mountain.
It was that steep, and there's moguls and you know,
the whole thing. And he's like, all right, sorry, we
made a wrong turn. We gotta go down. And he
and I stood on that mountain for probably an hour
and a half and went through every range of emotion.
First I laughed at him, then I screamed at him,
(04:16):
then I cried, and then he's like, you know, you know, Christopher,
you can take your skis off. We can walk down
this thing if you want, but I think you can
do it. And I'll tell you what. We eventually got down,
and then everything else seemed easy to me after that,
all the greens and all the blues and everything. I
was like, oh, this is great because it can't nearly
be as hard as that, so it kind of worked. Now.
I hated him, and I called my mom, and my
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mom was like going to divorce him over it, because
she's like, what are you doing? And he didn't. He
didn't have kids, you know, he didn't know how to parent,
so this was his This was you know what, We're
gonna get over this, like we're gonna toughen you up,
which is which is what I needed. But have any
of your parents ever tried something like this? You nodded
your head, keep it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
My mom she put me in every activity to just
keep me busy. But swimming, what's her thing?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
She was like, you're gonna know how to swim, and
so I was fine with swimming, But the diving board,
I'm like, do I really need to know how to die?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Like in the grand scheme of life? Right, you know,
like I don't really think that's a necessity.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But she was adaming, like you're gonna get on the
diving board and you're gonna dive. And at first it
was like a little, you know, short diving board into
the little pool, and then it got taller and tall,
and she was like, yes, go and then like I was,
I would just get up there and cry.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I was screaming, crying.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And then you have the line of other kids that
are waiting to get on the diving board, and so
she was like, you know, they would take me off
and like put me at the back of the line
and watch all the other kids go. And then my
mom's just sitting there like, you're gonna let all these
kids show you up?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Are you gonna dive and make me proud?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And so basically she had to push me in there.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And once once I didn't drown, you know, I was like, no,
I'm not so scared. So then I started you overcame
the fear. I overcame the fear. Do I recommend that
style of parenting? No? No, that's abuse.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay I don't either, but I have to tell you
it worked, like in that instance, it worked. And then
you know, for the rest of the trip, you know,
well I was.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Skiing, really you know, how to come off a cliff
you're diving your skiing?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I've seen the opposite side of this.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
My mom grew up with five brothers and this is
also like, you know, rural Poland, so like this is
a whole different country. She was thrown into the river
or whatever it was, like the button a lake river
and she almost round so now as an adult, she
thinks she'll drop in a four foot pool, which she
has like you. Now she's on the float or whatever,
and she's flipped over, and she in her head still
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thinks that like I'm going to dance. Trauma, like traumatized.
So she threw us in swimming too, like not physically
threw us in the water, but she made us go
to swimming because she didn't want us to be like her.
So it's the opposite side I think with my mom.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Like, so it could go either way, right, he could
traumatize you for life, and now she's like bodies of water. No, Kenny,
Kenny G. That's your name, Kenny G.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Heyre you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
My man? It's Kenny G. So this is something like
this happened to you when it came to swimming.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah, my dad tossed me in the water to teach
me how to swim when I was about like four
five years old.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So that was his infinite wisdom was I'll tell you what,
I'm just gonna throw the kid in and he's sink
or swim literally literally.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Luckily it was a it was a family sized pool,
so it wasn't like too deep and he was standing
right there, so it didn't toss me off a cliff
or anything. But yeah, it was like, you're gonna learn
how to swim here and take the floaties off here,
learn and then to learn how to swim. Doggy battle,
doggy battle, figure it out, come.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
On, you'll be all right, And I guess you did.
And then from that point forward it was like, well
I did it, and so you were probably good.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Yeah, because at that point when you're four floaties on,
those are kind of like your safety net. And then
it's like, well, no, you need you're old enough, you
need to learn how to swim, so here you go.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, all right, well it worked all right, Kenny g
thank you, have a good day, take care, love your
work for my money. You want a saxophone? Is you
know as good as it cans?
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well then there's like kind of you were commenting on
this sort of but it's like that, it's like the
almost bullying. Oh so you oh so you're not that
tough then, right, Also, you're just gonna let all the
other kids do it a little.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Susie, yeah, little Brian, they are pretty jumped.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah you not okay that so you're not like them
oh okay, you know, and I understand the psychology of it,
but in retrospect it's really mean, you know. I mean,
but it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Worked same with right riding a bike like I don't know,
you guys, they just have to push you and one
day take they take the training wheels off, push you
down the road and just let.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You fall.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Because you know you're gonna fall. Yeah, because you're gonna
stop peddling, you know, and you go and then you
fall and then yeah, right, So that's that's what happened
to you, is your your parents push you on the
bike and that was the end of it. Well, my
trust you never trust anyone.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
My mom said she didn't like go and I look
back and she let go. I vividly remember that scene
because she just wanted me to learn how to ride. However,
you know on roller coasters, how there's.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
A height limit.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Oh yeah, my dad with stuff. I shoot, guy wasn't
big enough to ride the roller coaster. I didn't want
you either, and he said, are you going to go
back to school and tell all the kids that you
were too scared to write this?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I was like no, Like, legally I'm not allowed to
ride this. But anyways, I can hear.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
This conversation between Kaylin, like the law says yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I was like, no, Dad, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
So he would and he would also grab the back
of my pants to lift me up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So I would hit the height limit.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
So I have a photo of me too small and
the roller coaster going like this. But I did it,
and now I love roller coaster. But I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So it didn't work, Jason, your parents never tried anything
like this.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Ah, yeah, mine was the bike riding. There was like
a construction area that my dad decided to take me, like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Down the nails. It makes perfect sense. It's like, wow,
that was a great location choice.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
But yeah, he let go and I like went face
first into a fire hydrant. I like vividly remember like
eating this fire hydrant so hard. Then he was like, nope,
you're not crying. You're getting right back up back on
the bike. And then all of a sudden I could ride.
It's like a knock something in my head that was
like now.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You can balance ride or fall?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Do you want to get hurt again?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And I could only as a parent, like if one's
maybe a little more certain than the other, that happens
and you're like, I'm gonna have to explain this to
my husband. I'm gonna have to explain this to my wife. Oh,
I killed him, right, that's what. Oh now I have
to go home and my kids faces busted. I have
to explain why.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
So like conversely, my friend who is a millennial grow
up with her Sarah, has two little boys and they're
learning to ride bikes right now, and the little brother
learned to ride before the big brother, and she's like,
we had to figure out how to not bully the
big brother and go, well, you're gonna let your little brother,
but we wanted him.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
To do it so they could ride bikes together.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
So they're trying to find the balance of like what
our parents did to us. And she said, like, you know,
we still celebrated the little brother just the same amount
as we would and the older brother was getting all mad,
but they said, you know, we tried not to.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Bully him like our parents bullied us.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Parenting is funny. Like my sister and my brother are
great parents. I was watching them Saturday morning at breakfast,
and you know, Polly's coloring and then Mave spills a
little water on the on the thing and then Polly
wants to cry because her her little painting, and she'd
a bit of a perfectionist, and her little painting now
has water on it. And then she starts to color
on the water or she's cramped over the little wet
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spot starts to rip, you know, she's trying to show like,
look now I can't color on this. And my sister's like, well, Polly,
you've made the choice to color on that wet spot
and you you have all this other paper, so you're
you're choosing the wet spot over the over the dry spot,
and look, it's ruining your painting. But you could also
make another choice. And this is exactly how it happened.
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And Polly's looking at her like nodding her head like okay,
And then she chose to go over to the other
spot on the paper. And I was like, that's not
how that would have happened. Either I would have done
a fit and they would have got me another paper,
or they would have been like shut up, shut up.
But you're, hey, Polly, you're choosing It works though, Laura,
(11:50):
how you doing.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm doing fine?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How are you iy? Laura? So same with Kaylin. Then
you you were forced to ride roller coasters, as it
could well have.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Actually, yes, the roller coaster was one at Great America,
and it actually turned out that I love roller coasters.
The second one is the ocean, and I'm terrified to
go in the ocean. I saw the movie Jaws at
way too young of an age, and I know it's
all fake and the shark is big and huge and fake,
but it scared the.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Crap out of me.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So I won't even wade in the ocean. That's how
terrified of the ocean I am.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And your parents weren't able to, I don't know, find
a shark somewhere and be like, look at one, ain't
you actually.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
No, but no, but you never know, you know. And
now you see all those sharks coming closer and biting kids,
arms practically off, and I say to my son, now,
that's why I don't go in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, Laura, thank you. Have a good day.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, you guys are great.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I love all of you. Thank you, thank you so much.
Have a good one. It's hard just say some of
this doesn't work though, because most of the cases that
we the examples that we've given, like today's parents would
I think some not an old parents. Some people would
say it's abuse or it's like terrible treatment of your child,
But in ninety percent of the cases that we've heard
so far, it was effective. Oh yeah, like oh well
after that, everything was easy, like I needed the push.
(13:13):
But people they get too aggressive. Hey Nicole, Hi, Hi Nicole.
So you were scared of dogs, and so your parents
decided the thing to do.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Was buy me a dog.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Of course, one that would never leave.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
No, it was a little three pound Yorky. But three
year old me was.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Terrified of that little Yorky.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But now I love them. So how long was it
before you warmed up to the idea.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Uh, it was probably a good solid month that I just.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Would not move from the couch.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And then finally you were like okay, and then little
Yorki comes over and you know, wants to be pat
and the whole thing, and then before long you're like,
this isn't so bad. Yeah, it became my best friend.
I sopose your treatment. See so it sounds mean, but
it worked.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
It really did.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It worked. I don't know if i'd recommend it.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
But okay, I it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, thank you, Nicole, have a good day.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I wouldn't
maybe do the same, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We need to do it, though, the parents, they need
to do it because it made us tough, it made
us strong, you know, and I.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Think it translated into like life in the workplace.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I think I think it helped us. I agree, we
may have overcorrected a little too much.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, we talked about it before, like the threats that
like stuff like bullying and things that we grew up
with that were at one level, and now it's at
another level, not only in the level of meanness and cruelty,
but in the accessibility and in the anonymity of it,
you know, with the Internet and social media and all
the rest of it. So I know it's different, but
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you know, I argue, at some point, at some level,
you've got to be exposed to that as a kid,
like as a young person, you've got to be able
to manage. You've got to manage that in some way
because it's not going to stop. Trust me, I get
bullied here every day. So like if I don't know,
if if my parents had pulled me out of school,
and again I'm not saying it's the same as it
was when we were growing up. It's different now. But
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if my parents had pulled me out of school every time,
you know, Jamie was a jerk to me, right, you know,
the big stud athlete told me, you know whatever, he
was more, I was an idiot or whatever. If my
parents had pulled me out of school and homeschooled me,
then I'd show up here to hear that I'm an
idiot every day
This is the press show. Let's get you hotel, a
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He's seven three three seven right now for a chance
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running December thirtieth through January third, and March sixth through
the twenty eighth. And I'm asking you know, obviously, everyone
(00:41):
in the room, everyone at home, eight five, five, five
nine one one oh three to five, you can call
in Texas, same number. But either as a parent or
as a kid, did you did your parents ever? Was
there ever a moment with your parents that was like
the we're going to overcome this fear moment where they
like way overcorrected on something like almost scared you, Like,
(01:02):
like I almost wonder if in today's generation it wouldn't
even be considered abuse, which it probably shouldn't be. But like,
for example, this is a story today. There's a parenting
stump that's gone viral. A guy named Garrett G is
a travel influencer known as the bucket List Dad, and
he's under fire after posting a video of himself throwing
his seven year old son off a cliff into a
lake to teach him courage. The boy screened on the
(01:25):
way down but appeared fine afterwards. He says the jump
was safe and consensual, but critics call it reckless and dangerous.
The video has over three and a half million views,
so I can see how this went down. Hey kid,
you know you want to jump off that cliff? You know, Like,
I'm sure it was one of those that is I
feel like a lot of lakes have them where it's
I was just that one recently where it's like, oh,
people jump off that you want to jump off that?
(01:46):
You know, there's like boats around it, So okay, we
know it's deep enough and relatively safe, all right, And
the kid's probably like, no, I don't want to, and
then Dad's like, oh no, no, come on, come on, come on,
you can do it. And then finally it becomes this
debate where they will just come up there and look,
and then he throws him off right, and then you
could argue, well, he did it, And I bet you
(02:07):
my guess would be after he did it that one time,
he ran right back up there and did it again
because he knew he could do it. And I don't
know that for effect, he could be traumatized for life.
I potentially asking to emancipate from his family. But you know,
it could have also been the thing that the kid.
And I'm not suggesting this was a good idea, but
it could have been the thing that the kid needed
to get over the fear. Again, not saying this is
(02:29):
excellent parenting, but you know, if you've been listening for
a while, then you know the story about my parents
got divorced when I was pretty young and my mom
met I dated one guy, married him and I was
probably ten, and he introduced me to so much stuff
and he's adopted me, adopted my sister who's seven and
a half years younger. I mean, he's my dad, and
(02:51):
you know, but he was. He was the outdoorsman. He
was the hunter and the fisher and the you know
when skiing and and and airplanes, you know, aviation, that
him too. So so one of our first trip together,
that the first time that I had ever been away
from Mom with him, we went skiing and I had
never skied before, and so, you know, I took some
lessons and I was I don't know, I was kind
(03:13):
of like scared of stuff. I was kind of like
meek and codependent, and I don't know, my parents just
get divorces, but you know whatever. This is the same
era where the guy sent me the summer camp and
I hated it, and and you know, in retrospect it
was probably it should have been the greatest sim of
my entire life. But nonetheless not that I, you know,
lament on that every day, but the luxury short. I
(03:34):
just I wasn't really like doing that great at it.
And so in his brilliant wisdom, he decides, and he's
a great skier, grew up in Vermont. He goes, Okay,
well I'm gonna take you. We're gonna go up to
top of the mounta. We're gonna go on on a
you're gonna be You're gonna love this. It's gonna be great.
He takes me to a double black Diamond, which is
at that mountain the hardest run there is. I kid
you not when I say it was so steep that
(03:56):
if I had stood up, if you could have and
my finger out, I would have been touching the mountain.
It was that steep, and there's moguls and you know,
the whole thing. And he's like, all right, sorry, we
made a wrong turn. We gotta go down. And he
and I stood on that mountain for probably an hour
and a half and went through every range of emotion.
First I laughed at him, then I screamed at him,
(04:16):
then I cried, and then he's like, you know, you know, Christopher,
you can take your skis off. We can walk down
this thing if you want, but I think you can
do it. And I'll tell you what. We eventually got down,
and then everything else seemed easy to me after that,
all the greens and all the blues and everything. I
was like, oh, this is great because it can't nearly
be as hard as that, so it kind of worked. Now.
I hated him, and I called my mom, and my
(04:39):
mom was like going to divorce him over it, because
she's like, what are you doing? And he didn't. He
didn't have kids, you know, he didn't know how to parent,
so this was his This was you know what, We're
gonna get over this, like we're gonna toughen you up,
which is which is what I needed. But have any
of your parents ever tried something like this? You nodded
your head, keep it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
My mom she put me in every activity to just
keep me busy. But swimming, what's her thing?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Like?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
She was like, you're gonna know how to swim, and
so I was fine with swimming, But the diving board,
I'm like, do I really need to know how to die?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Like in the grand scheme of life? Right, you know,
like I don't really think that's a necessity.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
But she was adaming, like you're gonna get on the
diving board and you're gonna dive. And at first it
was like a little, you know, short diving board into
the little pool, and then it got taller and tall,
and she was like, yes, go and then like I was,
I would just get up there and cry.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I was screaming, crying.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And then you have the line of other kids that
are waiting to get on the diving board, and so
she was like, you know, they would take me off
and like put me at the back of the line
and watch all the other kids go. And then my
mom's just sitting there like, you're gonna let all these
kids show you up?
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Are you gonna dive and make me proud?
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And so basically she had to push me in there.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
And once once I didn't drown, you know, I was like, no,
I'm not so scared. So then I started you overcame
the fear. I overcame the fear. Do I recommend that
style of parenting? No? No, that's abuse.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay I don't either, but I have to tell you
it worked, like in that instance, it worked. And then
you know, for the rest of the trip, you know,
well I was.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Skiing, really you know, how to come off a cliff
you're diving your skiing?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I've seen the opposite side of this.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
My mom grew up with five brothers and this is
also like, you know, rural Poland, so like this is
a whole different country. She was thrown into the river
or whatever it was, like the button a lake river
and she almost round so now as an adult, she
thinks she'll drop in a four foot pool, which she
has like you. Now she's on the float or whatever,
and she's flipped over, and she in her head still
(06:32):
thinks that like I'm going to dance. Trauma, like traumatized.
So she threw us in swimming too, like not physically
threw us in the water, but she made us go
to swimming because she didn't want us to be like her.
So it's the opposite side I think with my mom.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Like, so it could go either way, right, he could
traumatize you for life, and now she's like bodies of water. No, Kenny,
Kenny G. That's your name, Kenny G.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
Heyre you doing?
Speaker 1 (06:55):
My man? It's Kenny G. So this is something like
this happened to you when it came to swimming.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah, my dad tossed me in the water to teach
me how to swim when I was about like four
five years old.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So that was his infinite wisdom was I'll tell you what,
I'm just gonna throw the kid in and he's sink
or swim literally literally.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Luckily it was a it was a family sized pool,
so it wasn't like too deep and he was standing
right there, so it didn't toss me off a cliff
or anything. But yeah, it was like, you're gonna learn
how to swim here and take the floaties off here,
learn and then to learn how to swim. Doggy battle,
doggy battle, figure it out, come.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
On, you'll be all right, And I guess you did.
And then from that point forward it was like, well
I did it, and so you were probably good.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Yeah, because at that point when you're four floaties on,
those are kind of like your safety net. And then
it's like, well, no, you need you're old enough, you
need to learn how to swim, so here you go.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, all right, well it worked all right, Kenny g
thank you, have a good day, take care, love your
work for my money. You want a saxophone? Is you
know as good as it cans?
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well then there's like kind of you were commenting on
this sort of but it's like that, it's like the
almost bullying. Oh so you oh so you're not that
tough then, right, Also, you're just gonna let all the
other kids do it a little.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Susie, yeah, little Brian, they are pretty jumped.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah you not okay that so you're not like them
oh okay, you know, and I understand the psychology of it,
but in retrospect it's really mean, you know. I mean,
but it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Worked same with right riding a bike like I don't know,
you guys, they just have to push you and one
day take they take the training wheels off, push you
down the road and just let.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
You fall.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Because you know you're gonna fall. Yeah, because you're gonna
stop peddling, you know, and you go and then you
fall and then yeah, right, So that's that's what happened
to you, is your your parents push you on the
bike and that was the end of it. Well, my
trust you never trust anyone.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
My mom said she didn't like go and I look
back and she let go. I vividly remember that scene
because she just wanted me to learn how to ride. However,
you know on roller coasters, how there's.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
A height limit.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Oh yeah, my dad with stuff. I shoot, guy wasn't
big enough to ride the roller coaster. I didn't want
you either, and he said, are you going to go
back to school and tell all the kids that you
were too scared to write this?
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I was like no, Like, legally I'm not allowed to
ride this. But anyways, I can hear.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
This conversation between Kaylin, like the law says yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I was like, no, Dad, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
So he would and he would also grab the back
of my pants to lift me up.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So I would hit the height limit.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
So I have a photo of me too small and
the roller coaster going like this. But I did it,
and now I love roller coaster. But I'll never forget.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So it didn't work, Jason, your parents never tried anything
like this.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Ah, yeah, mine was the bike riding. There was like
a construction area that my dad decided to take me, like.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Down the nails. It makes perfect sense. It's like, wow,
that was a great location choice.
Speaker 8 (09:40):
But yeah, he let go and I like went face
first into a fire hydrant. I like vividly remember like
eating this fire hydrant so hard. Then he was like, nope,
you're not crying. You're getting right back up back on
the bike. And then all of a sudden I could ride.
It's like a knock something in my head that was
like now.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
You can balance ride or fall?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Do you want to get hurt again?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
And I could only as a parent, like if one's
maybe a little more certain than the other, that happens
and you're like, I'm gonna have to explain this to
my husband. I'm gonna have to explain this to my wife. Oh,
I killed him, right, that's what. Oh now I have
to go home and my kids faces busted. I have
to explain why.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
So like conversely, my friend who is a millennial grow
up with her Sarah, has two little boys and they're
learning to ride bikes right now, and the little brother
learned to ride before the big brother, and she's like,
we had to figure out how to not bully the
big brother and go, well, you're gonna let your little brother,
but we wanted him.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
To do it so they could ride bikes together.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
So they're trying to find the balance of like what
our parents did to us. And she said, like, you know,
we still celebrated the little brother just the same amount
as we would and the older brother was getting all mad,
but they said, you know, we tried not to.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Bully him like our parents bullied us.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Parenting is funny. Like my sister and my brother are
great parents. I was watching them Saturday morning at breakfast,
and you know, Polly's coloring and then Mave spills a
little water on the on the thing and then Polly
wants to cry because her her little painting, and she'd
a bit of a perfectionist, and her little painting now
has water on it. And then she starts to color
on the water or she's cramped over the little wet
(11:09):
spot starts to rip, you know, she's trying to show like,
look now I can't color on this. And my sister's like, well, Polly,
you've made the choice to color on that wet spot
and you you have all this other paper, so you're
you're choosing the wet spot over the over the dry spot,
and look, it's ruining your painting. But you could also
make another choice. And this is exactly how it happened.
(11:30):
And Polly's looking at her like nodding her head like okay,
And then she chose to go over to the other
spot on the paper. And I was like, that's not
how that would have happened. Either I would have done
a fit and they would have got me another paper,
or they would have been like shut up, shut up.
But you're, hey, Polly, you're choosing It works though, Laura,
(11:50):
how you doing.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm doing fine?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How are you iy? Laura? So same with Kaylin. Then
you you were forced to ride roller coasters, as it
could well have.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Actually, yes, the roller coaster was one at Great America,
and it actually turned out that I love roller coasters.
The second one is the ocean, and I'm terrified to
go in the ocean. I saw the movie Jaws at
way too young of an age, and I know it's
all fake and the shark is big and huge and fake,
but it scared the.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Crap out of me.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So I won't even wade in the ocean. That's how
terrified of the ocean I am.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And your parents weren't able to, I don't know, find
a shark somewhere and be like, look at one, ain't
you actually.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
No, but no, but you never know, you know. And
now you see all those sharks coming closer and biting kids,
arms practically off, and I say to my son, now,
that's why I don't go in the ocean.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, Laura, thank you. Have a good day.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, you guys are great.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I love all of you. Thank you, thank you so much.
Have a good one. It's hard just say some of
this doesn't work though, because most of the cases that
we the examples that we've given, like today's parents would
I think some not an old parents. Some people would
say it's abuse or it's like terrible treatment of your child,
But in ninety percent of the cases that we've heard
so far, it was effective. Oh yeah, like oh well
after that, everything was easy, like I needed the push.
(13:13):
But people they get too aggressive. Hey Nicole, Hi, Hi Nicole.
So you were scared of dogs, and so your parents
decided the thing to do.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Was buy me a dog.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Of course, one that would never leave.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
No, it was a little three pound Yorky. But three
year old me was.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Terrified of that little Yorky.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
But now I love them. So how long was it
before you warmed up to the idea.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Uh, it was probably a good solid month that I just.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Would not move from the couch.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And then finally you were like okay, and then little
Yorki comes over and you know, wants to be pat
and the whole thing, and then before long you're like,
this isn't so bad. Yeah, it became my best friend.
I sopose your treatment. See so it sounds mean, but
it worked.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
It really did.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It worked. I don't know if i'd recommend it.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
But okay, I it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Well, thank you, Nicole, have a good day.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I wouldn't
maybe do the same, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We need to do it, though, the parents, they need
to do it because it made us tough, it made
us strong, you know, and I.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Think it translated into like life in the workplace.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I think I think it helped us. I agree, we
may have overcorrected a little too much.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, we talked about it before, like the threats that
like stuff like bullying and things that we grew up
with that were at one level, and now it's at
another level, not only in the level of meanness and cruelty,
but in the accessibility and in the anonymity of it,
you know, with the Internet and social media and all
the rest of it. So I know it's different, but
(14:45):
you know, I argue, at some point, at some level,
you've got to be exposed to that as a kid,
like as a young person, you've got to be able
to manage. You've got to manage that in some way
because it's not going to stop. Trust me, I get
bullied here every day. So like if I don't know,
if if my parents had pulled me out of school,
and again I'm not saying it's the same as it
was when we were growing up. It's different now. But
(15:05):
if my parents had pulled me out of school every time,
you know, Jamie was a jerk to me, right, you know,
the big stud athlete told me, you know whatever, he
was more, I was an idiot or whatever. If my
parents had pulled me out of school and homeschooled me,
then I'd show up here to hear that I'm an
idiot every day
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