May 20, 2025 • 15 mins
Carrie is conflicted after her boyfriend of 2 years has been lying about being a college graduate... Fred and the crew weigh in on this relationship drama!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Fred Show is on. It's Stay or Go. Okay,
Carrie is here. Hi, Carry, good morning, good morning, Rry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome, Stay or Go. Thank you for your note. You
can hit us up a lot of different places, Fred
Show Radio. You can dam us fredshiw Radio dot com.
What's going on with this dude? This is your boyfriend
of two years?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Right? Yeah, I need some advice?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Right?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, I've been dating this guy for two years exactly,
and he didn't exactly graduate college like you said he did.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
He didn't exactly graduate Blakey, So he didn't graduate. Is
this the guy from is this the the expert witness
from the Karen Reid Trail? He didn't graduate? Is that
who you're dating? So this guy says he graduated college,
but he didn't.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
For the entirety of our relationship, he's acted like he
did like rep in his school, acting like he had
a bachelor's degree, like rooting for the team, wearing the merch.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
So did he go to the school at all? Did
he do any of it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah? Well it's it's not like entirely lie like he
did go there, He just like didn't graduate. And that's
what he said when I confronted him about it.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
And I was like, I never would have cared if.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You didn't graduate, but like, why lie?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know, okay, so you would you would like ask
him pointed questions and he like, it's just the story
wasn't coming together. I mean, because again, I don't really
know how if I said I went to college, and
would you say, can I see your diploma or something?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean I guess other than that, how would you
know he could have kept this going forever?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, there were just some things like some things and
dates and stuff that like didn't align. But I'm and
so I just I just I finally asked, and it
was it was fucking me. And he said he was
embarrassed and that lie felt easier, okay, And I just like,
I wonder if he can lie about something it really
(02:07):
doesn't matter, Like what else can you lie about?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, the guy's a liar. The guy's a liar.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
He lied to you for two years about something very
basic that he could I mean, that would have bothered
me so much. I mean, I'm a lot of things,
I'm not a liar. So I think if I had
lied and then you know, we're still together in six months,
and I mean at some point that's going to come up.
And at some point it's gonna again, where's your diploma? Like,
I don't know, there are there are ways. No, I
(02:33):
couldn't live like that, but he just kept it going
for two years. So no, the guy's a liar. You
have to dump him. It's over anything else? Or should
we just move on?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's my fear.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, Okay, let me.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Take some phone calls on this, and I'm going to
survey the room, but I want to I want to
see what people have to say.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Stair go on this one. Carrie, have the radio on,
good luck, thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Eight five. So this woman found out, you know, I
guess by poking around a little bit. Finally the guy
came clean. The guy should been diating for two years?
Did that in fact go to graduate from college? I
guess maybe he did attend at some point, but he
did not graduate from college.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Is his name? Break up able? Dumpable event?
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I have to say it has to be.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Oh yes, you can that easily lie about a major
life event like that.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
What else are you lying about?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (03:19):
What if it was embarrassed, you shouldn't be embarrassed.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Right, So maybe he doesn't want to like, you know,
say he dropped out. How many people have started college
he didn't finish a lot. That's nothing to be embarrassed
about it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
He was flexing. He wanted to impress her with something
that he didn't do, and then as supposed to coming
back and being like, hey, you know what I told
you something that wasn't true. I mean, how long was
he going to keep this going forever? Were they going
to get married and stuff?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
So we we forgive people for like making out with
someone one time and not leaving them, but we won't
forgive them for being embarrassed about something and coming clean
about it.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Events.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I'm not sure that I did. Who made out with him?
I didn't. I didn't forgive it about it. I like
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's like, oh, it's a one off, it's a makeout.
Like for me, i'd be absolutely leave, but this one
I'm not necessarily like I need to know.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think there's a difference between a bad decision one
time and an outright concerted, consistent lot.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But how often are they talking about his like Alma Mater?
Like how often is he lying about it? Like is
it a few times.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know, you're claiming a major life accomplishment that you
didn't accomplish, and you're making me believe that.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Why is that okay?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
For me?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
That's okay?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So if your boyfriend were like I went to college
and graduated and it turned out years later he didn't
if that'd be okay?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
If he came clean and said I was really ashamed
and it has nothing to do with you, Like, maybe
there'd be conversations, for.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Sure, I'd question everything. Oh yeah, like what else you
lying about?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I don't know, but like for me a name, but
like cheating is I would that's a I don't care
if you peck kiss whatever I'm leaving, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's an interesting I guess comparison. But is there a
difference between a bad choice and I would depend the
severity of the choice, By the way, a kiss would
be different from me than would be a six month
emotional affair would be different than a physical Like, like, you.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Know that's a lie though you're not telling me.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, but a lie is not a lie. I think
there are different levels of lies. I think I do
think there are different severity levels of lies. You telling
me that you accomplish something so that you can purport
to be someone you're not is way worse to me,
I think, And then to be consistent with it, like
just just turn around and say, you know, I mean,
just come clean.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I mean, I guess sometimes people lie so much or
they or their lies get so deep that then they
can't find their way out of them, you know, but
that's pathological.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I don't know. Citiason this to me on like.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
The I guess the spectrum of offenses in a relationship
is very low for me, like like like Calen said,
I think we need to have a conversation of once
it comes out, like why, But I'm just assuming that
he doesn't want to own up to the fact that
he dropped out of college. Yes, a lot of people
(06:05):
do it, but I don't think people are necessarily proud
of it. So it's like, Okay, let's have an actual
conversation of why and what were the reasons behind it,
and then that will probably bring us closer. I don't know,
it doesn't seem like something that's.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Like a okay, but that's a conversation that you would
follow up with not long after you told the lie.
You wouldn't keep the lie going for all this time.
I think it's a conversation you have once it gets
found out.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
But why do I have to catch you?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, you want me to marry you, and you're
telling me that you accomplished something over the course of
four years you didn't do.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
That's valor.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
I mean also, I don't put a lot of weight
into college degrees, Like that's not something that's.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
What an accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You're not focused on the thing, and I'm focused on
the level of the lie. I mean, you lied to
someone and you kept it up for years and years
and years over something you simply didn't do. That wasn't
a steak. That was a conscious choice to continue lying
to me. So what else is easy for you to
lie about? I don't like it, Jackie.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
How you doing, hello, Fred?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
How about you?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I'm doing great, Jackie.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So this this woman's calling up because you've somehow found
out that there her boyfriend of two years lied about
completing his college degree. And now you know these guys
in here, he's these guys in here are like saying.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Better than that, But I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah, he's a lusive because you know what you lie about?
Speaker 9 (07:33):
One thing You're going to watch again.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Jack Do you keep? Do you keep?
Speaker 9 (07:43):
I have?
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I don't have a Southern backbone. I have an Alton backbone.
And once a liars you fall into the category of
being a snitch. You know, got Jackie?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Wow? Aggressive, Thank you Jackie. Hey, Jackie, you and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I are as long as we're always good, you know,
will be fine.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
We'll be fine. Bred, I wisten to you every morning.
Speaker 9 (08:03):
And Keithy, I absolutely love you.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
I think you're doing an awesome job.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I love you. You wind up in a canal somewhere, Jackie.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
You have a good day.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Fred. I'm conscious. I told my car when I talk
on the phone, I.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Do not No, no, I meant. I meant if we
disagree with you, we wind up dead. But no, that's never.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
I would never hold anyone.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Okay, all right, Jackie, thank you, Jackie, have a good day.
I love you and I would not love you, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No snitches over here, no snitches, I tell you. Hey, Stephanie, Hi, wow,
follow that call up?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
How you doing good?
Speaker 9 (08:42):
I don't want to get on her backside?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
No, no, what do you think? So if first of all,
I guess It's it's like kind of two parts. Here
is a lie a lie? I mean, are they all
the same? Is every the same? Is there a difference
between a lie and a mistake? Is there a difference between,
you know, continuing to tell a lie or letting a
lie persist? And what would you do in this situation
(09:07):
if you're this woman who found out that her boyfriend
in two years didn't really graduate from college.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
I feel like we need more information. I mean, was
it did he actually flat out say I went to school,
I graduated, this is when I graduated? Or was it
I went to school there? And he just kind of
omitted the information of not graduating. You know, sounds like.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Every Sunday this dude slapped a sweatshirt on and cheered
for the team, like you know, like like you know,
like you've been going to games for four years.
Speaker 9 (09:35):
You know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I
did the same thing.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
But did you lie about it or did you just
post no?
Speaker 9 (09:44):
You know?
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Know.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
So I grew up a fan and always wore the
merchandise I started school, but then I ended up transferring
to go to a different school, but I still wore
the merchandise from the previous school. And it's not like
I said, Hey, I graduated from here, but I.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Still wore the Stephanie, I got news for you.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You can be a fan of a school you didn't
attend school.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Maybe that's what he was doing. He's just a fan.
He went there, but he didn't finish. So I mean,
maybe he wasn't really lying.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
He just didn't.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
It was maybe like a white lie. You know, he
didn't he didn't share the whole tree.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, Elizabeth, thank you, have a good day.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Thank you, and yees.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Someone mentioned the season one of the rehearsal, there's a
storyline like this where a guy lied to a new
group of friends about having a master's degree that he
didn't have. The problem was they were trying to help
him get jobs, and they were telling people that he
had a master's degree in the process of trying to
link him up with a job. So the whole episode
was about him coming clean to his friend about how
(10:45):
he in fact did not have a master's degree.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But I don't think that. I don't know how long
this went on, but.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
These were these were friends, they weren't lovers, and I
don't know he did come clean.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Finally on his own. He didn't get caught. He came.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I just I don't know if you could lie that
easily about something. And then it's pathological in some ways,
like it sounds like this dude was walking around purporting
that he did this because he was talking about he'd
wear the gear and it was almost like he was yeah,
but it was almost like he was actively talking about
this thing that never happened. Like that to me is
that's another level. Elizabeth, Hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Fred?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Hey? Good morning? What do you want to say? Stare Go?
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I love you guys, And I'm going to say, stay okay,
why And the reason is I did that same thing?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Okay, what'd you do?
Speaker 6 (11:34):
And exactly I I, well, I went to school, but
I had some things going on in my life back
in those days, which would be a whole nother radio show.
But everybody said, oh, did.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
You do this?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yay wrong?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Run, I was like I did, I did?
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I put it on my resume at one point in everything.
And for me, I, like I said, I had some
things going on. I had to take classes like outside
of the school I was going to and stuff and
trying to transfer them all in some of them got lost.
One of the schools that I took some classes and
actually went bankrupt and I couldn't get those credits. But
(12:12):
in my mind, I was like, you know what, I
did all the work, and I am intelligent and I
do have a good job, so I would just tell people, yeah,
I went to this school.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But here's my question, Holly, in the confines of a relationship,
a two year relationship, if you found out that the
man or woman that you were with, whatever you're into,
lied to you about something like that for that long
and kept it going. Because it's not even like I
told you that one time and then I forgot about
it or I felt bad about it and just haven't
had the chance to come back and fix it.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
This sounds like this is a lie. He kept telling
over and over again.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
No, I did the.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Same thing until somebody. It was actually my brother that
called me out because he went to the same school.
He did graduate, and he was like, Elizabeth, you never graduated.
Why do you tell people like, Okay, Well, you know what.
I had a reason, all right, and the reason is
you get you get wrapped in that everybody you went
to high school with. That's like yay, you know, with
(13:08):
their alma maters and everything. And it's funny. My dad
graduated from the University of Notre Dame and I'm a
huge Notre Dame fan, and they're like, did you go there?
That's where you graduate. I'm like, no, I graduated it
and I went to the U of M.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
To most people I know that are Notre Dame fans,
you haven't step foot on the campus. So it's okay,
it's fine to the one they went to, h I have,
what's the one.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
That my dad? So I had to otherwise I was
going to get this and went to Minnesota. Why didn't
you say it? And I was like, okay, because it
didn't matter.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Well, as far as I'm gonna start, you went and
you graduated.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Does mean you're.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Okay, Lizabeth? Thank you have a good day about that.
Is there a harmless lie? Bro Yes? I mean I
think there. I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I don't think every lie is the same, but I
don't know. I mean, if you keep telling the same
stud but lie over and over again, I think it
gets worse. I mean, light to the world, lie on
your resume, no, lie to your partner.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
We sleep together every That's what I mean. Like, what
else is so easy for you to lie?
Speaker 7 (14:09):
Bring me in on a line, Because everyone in a
relationship is one hundred percent honest with each other.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
All the time. What are you lying about? Jason? Do
not justify lies?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
No, who is honest to their partner one hundred person?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Come on, girl, Okay, okay, but so this person.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But I think the part that's lost on you is
that this person's looking you in the eye every day
and telling you the same thing that's not true. It's
a conscious choice every day to lie to you. That
is different than a one time liar of fib Oh. No,
I did switch to laundry. No, I went to college.
And I'm telling you this for two years.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Did they talk about it every day?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Guys?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I cannot.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You got me in the world time about Jason went
to Harvey Yeah you know, man, Jason, Yes he did.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
He went to Harvard. Girl, Well, I didn't go to Harvard.
I didn't graduate.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
You guys are at I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't
care the level of the lie. If your partners were
looking at you regularly and telling you the same fake story,
you would you would be heard and upset and you
would question the validity of a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
It was that easy.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You're looking at me every day pretending you didn't make
out with someone else.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
So it's not just a bad choice. I think that's
far worse.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I just I disagree. I disagree because I can't undo.
I can undo the lie. I can't undo the makeout.
I can never do that again.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You're lying, looking at me, acting like you've been faithful.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Both.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I mean, I agreed. Are you faithful? I guess, but
I can't.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I can't unfaithful my saying I can't, I can't something
I can do about I can tell you I lied
and even go to college. I can't unkiss the person
trust me. I wish I could unkiss a lot of people.
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The Fred Show is on. It's Stay or Go. Okay,
Carrie is here. Hi, Carry, good morning, good morning, Rry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome, Stay or Go. Thank you for your note. You
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What's going on with this dude? This is your boyfriend
of two years?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Right? Yeah, I need some advice?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Right?
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, I've been dating this guy for two years exactly,
and he didn't exactly graduate college like you said he did.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
He didn't exactly graduate Blakey, So he didn't graduate. Is
this the guy from is this the the expert witness
from the Karen Reid Trail? He didn't graduate? Is that
who you're dating? So this guy says he graduated college,
but he didn't.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
For the entirety of our relationship, he's acted like he
did like rep in his school, acting like he had
a bachelor's degree, like rooting for the team, wearing the merch.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
So did he go to the school at all? Did
he do any of it?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah? Well it's it's not like entirely lie like he
did go there, He just like didn't graduate. And that's
what he said when I confronted him about it.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
And I was like, I never would have cared if.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You didn't graduate, but like, why lie?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know, okay, so you would you would like ask
him pointed questions and he like, it's just the story
wasn't coming together. I mean, because again, I don't really
know how if I said I went to college, and
would you say, can I see your diploma or something?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean I guess other than that, how would you
know he could have kept this going forever?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, there were just some things like some things and
dates and stuff that like didn't align. But I'm and
so I just I just I finally asked, and it
was it was fucking me. And he said he was
embarrassed and that lie felt easier, okay, And I just like,
I wonder if he can lie about something it really
(02:07):
doesn't matter, Like what else can you lie about?
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Yeah, the guy's a liar. The guy's a liar.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
He lied to you for two years about something very
basic that he could I mean, that would have bothered
me so much. I mean, I'm a lot of things,
I'm not a liar. So I think if I had
lied and then you know, we're still together in six months,
and I mean at some point that's going to come up.
And at some point it's gonna again, where's your diploma? Like,
I don't know, there are there are ways. No, I
(02:33):
couldn't live like that, but he just kept it going
for two years. So no, the guy's a liar. You
have to dump him. It's over anything else? Or should
we just move on?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
That's my fear.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, Okay, let me.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Take some phone calls on this, and I'm going to
survey the room, but I want to I want to
see what people have to say.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Stair go on this one. Carrie, have the radio on,
good luck, thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Eight five. So this woman found out, you know, I
guess by poking around a little bit. Finally the guy
came clean. The guy should been diating for two years?
Did that in fact go to graduate from college? I
guess maybe he did attend at some point, but he
did not graduate from college.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Is his name? Break up able? Dumpable event?
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I have to say it has to be.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Oh yes, you can that easily lie about a major
life event like that.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
What else are you lying about?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Exactly?
Speaker 7 (03:19):
What if it was embarrassed, you shouldn't be embarrassed.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Right, So maybe he doesn't want to like, you know,
say he dropped out. How many people have started college
he didn't finish a lot. That's nothing to be embarrassed
about it.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
He was flexing. He wanted to impress her with something
that he didn't do, and then as supposed to coming
back and being like, hey, you know what I told
you something that wasn't true. I mean, how long was
he going to keep this going forever? Were they going
to get married and stuff?
Speaker 4 (03:43):
So we we forgive people for like making out with
someone one time and not leaving them, but we won't
forgive them for being embarrassed about something and coming clean
about it.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Events.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I'm not sure that I did. Who made out with him?
I didn't. I didn't forgive it about it. I like
talk about that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
It's like, oh, it's a one off, it's a makeout.
Like for me, i'd be absolutely leave, but this one
I'm not necessarily like I need to know.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I think there's a difference between a bad decision one
time and an outright concerted, consistent lot.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
But how often are they talking about his like Alma Mater?
Like how often is he lying about it? Like is
it a few times.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know, you're claiming a major life accomplishment that you
didn't accomplish, and you're making me believe that.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Why is that okay?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
For me?
Speaker 5 (04:27):
That's okay?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So if your boyfriend were like I went to college
and graduated and it turned out years later he didn't
if that'd be okay?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
If he came clean and said I was really ashamed
and it has nothing to do with you, Like, maybe
there'd be conversations, for.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Sure, I'd question everything. Oh yeah, like what else you
lying about?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I don't know, but like for me a name, but
like cheating is I would that's a I don't care
if you peck kiss whatever I'm leaving, So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's an interesting I guess comparison. But is there a
difference between a bad choice and I would depend the
severity of the choice, By the way, a kiss would
be different from me than would be a six month
emotional affair would be different than a physical Like, like, you.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Know that's a lie though you're not telling me.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, but a lie is not a lie. I think
there are different levels of lies. I think I do
think there are different severity levels of lies. You telling
me that you accomplish something so that you can purport
to be someone you're not is way worse to me,
I think, And then to be consistent with it, like
just just turn around and say, you know, I mean,
just come clean.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I mean, I guess sometimes people lie so much or
they or their lies get so deep that then they
can't find their way out of them, you know, but
that's pathological.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I don't know. Citiason this to me on like.
Speaker 8 (05:43):
The I guess the spectrum of offenses in a relationship
is very low for me, like like like Calen said,
I think we need to have a conversation of once
it comes out, like why, But I'm just assuming that
he doesn't want to own up to the fact that
he dropped out of college. Yes, a lot of people
(06:05):
do it, but I don't think people are necessarily proud
of it. So it's like, Okay, let's have an actual
conversation of why and what were the reasons behind it,
and then that will probably bring us closer. I don't know,
it doesn't seem like something that's.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Like a okay, but that's a conversation that you would
follow up with not long after you told the lie.
You wouldn't keep the lie going for all this time.
I think it's a conversation you have once it gets
found out.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
But why do I have to catch you?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean, you want me to marry you, and you're
telling me that you accomplished something over the course of
four years you didn't do.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
That's valor.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
I mean also, I don't put a lot of weight
into college degrees, Like that's not something that's.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
What an accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You're not focused on the thing, and I'm focused on
the level of the lie. I mean, you lied to
someone and you kept it up for years and years
and years over something you simply didn't do. That wasn't
a steak. That was a conscious choice to continue lying
to me. So what else is easy for you to
lie about? I don't like it, Jackie.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
How you doing, hello, Fred?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
How about you?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I'm doing great, Jackie.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
So this this woman's calling up because you've somehow found
out that there her boyfriend of two years lied about
completing his college degree. And now you know these guys
in here, he's these guys in here are like saying.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Better than that, But I don't know about that.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah, he's a lusive because you know what you lie about?
Speaker 9 (07:33):
One thing You're going to watch again.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Jack Do you keep? Do you keep?
Speaker 9 (07:43):
I have?
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I don't have a Southern backbone. I have an Alton backbone.
And once a liars you fall into the category of
being a snitch. You know, got Jackie?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Wow? Aggressive, Thank you Jackie. Hey, Jackie, you and.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I are as long as we're always good, you know,
will be fine.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
We'll be fine. Bred, I wisten to you every morning.
Speaker 9 (08:03):
And Keithy, I absolutely love you.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
I think you're doing an awesome job.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I love you. You wind up in a canal somewhere, Jackie.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
You have a good day.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
Fred. I'm conscious. I told my car when I talk
on the phone, I.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Do not No, no, I meant. I meant if we
disagree with you, we wind up dead. But no, that's never.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
I would never hold anyone.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Okay, all right, Jackie, thank you, Jackie, have a good day.
I love you and I would not love you, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
No snitches over here, no snitches, I tell you. Hey, Stephanie, Hi, wow,
follow that call up?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
How you doing good?
Speaker 9 (08:42):
I don't want to get on her backside?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
No, no, what do you think? So if first of all,
I guess It's it's like kind of two parts. Here
is a lie a lie? I mean, are they all
the same? Is every the same? Is there a difference
between a lie and a mistake? Is there a difference between,
you know, continuing to tell a lie or letting a
lie persist? And what would you do in this situation
(09:07):
if you're this woman who found out that her boyfriend
in two years didn't really graduate from college.
Speaker 9 (09:13):
I feel like we need more information. I mean, was
it did he actually flat out say I went to school,
I graduated, this is when I graduated? Or was it
I went to school there? And he just kind of
omitted the information of not graduating. You know, sounds like.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Every Sunday this dude slapped a sweatshirt on and cheered
for the team, like you know, like like you know,
like you've been going to games for four years.
Speaker 9 (09:35):
You know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. I
did the same thing.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
But did you lie about it or did you just
post no?
Speaker 9 (09:44):
You know?
Speaker 6 (09:44):
Know.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
So I grew up a fan and always wore the
merchandise I started school, but then I ended up transferring
to go to a different school, but I still wore
the merchandise from the previous school. And it's not like
I said, Hey, I graduated from here, but I.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Still wore the Stephanie, I got news for you.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
You can be a fan of a school you didn't
attend school.
Speaker 9 (10:06):
Maybe that's what he was doing. He's just a fan.
He went there, but he didn't finish. So I mean,
maybe he wasn't really lying.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
He just didn't.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
It was maybe like a white lie. You know, he
didn't he didn't share the whole tree.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, yeah, Elizabeth, thank you, have a good day.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Thank you, and yees.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Someone mentioned the season one of the rehearsal, there's a
storyline like this where a guy lied to a new
group of friends about having a master's degree that he
didn't have. The problem was they were trying to help
him get jobs, and they were telling people that he
had a master's degree in the process of trying to
link him up with a job. So the whole episode
was about him coming clean to his friend about how
(10:45):
he in fact did not have a master's degree.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But I don't think that. I don't know how long
this went on, but.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
These were these were friends, they weren't lovers, and I
don't know he did come clean.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Finally on his own. He didn't get caught. He came.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I just I don't know if you could lie that
easily about something. And then it's pathological in some ways,
like it sounds like this dude was walking around purporting
that he did this because he was talking about he'd
wear the gear and it was almost like he was yeah,
but it was almost like he was actively talking about
this thing that never happened. Like that to me is
that's another level. Elizabeth, Hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Fred?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Hey? Good morning? What do you want to say? Stare Go?
Speaker 6 (11:25):
I love you guys, And I'm going to say, stay okay,
why And the reason is I did that same thing?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Okay, what'd you do?
Speaker 6 (11:34):
And exactly I I, well, I went to school, but
I had some things going on in my life back
in those days, which would be a whole nother radio show.
But everybody said, oh, did.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
You do this?
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Yay wrong?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Run, I was like I did, I did?
Speaker 6 (11:49):
I put it on my resume at one point in everything.
And for me, I, like I said, I had some
things going on. I had to take classes like outside
of the school I was going to and stuff and
trying to transfer them all in some of them got lost.
One of the schools that I took some classes and
actually went bankrupt and I couldn't get those credits. But
(12:12):
in my mind, I was like, you know what, I
did all the work, and I am intelligent and I
do have a good job, so I would just tell people, yeah,
I went to this school.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
But here's my question, Holly, in the confines of a relationship,
a two year relationship, if you found out that the
man or woman that you were with, whatever you're into,
lied to you about something like that for that long
and kept it going. Because it's not even like I
told you that one time and then I forgot about
it or I felt bad about it and just haven't
had the chance to come back and fix it.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
This sounds like this is a lie. He kept telling
over and over again.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
No, I did the.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Same thing until somebody. It was actually my brother that
called me out because he went to the same school.
He did graduate, and he was like, Elizabeth, you never graduated.
Why do you tell people like, Okay, Well, you know what.
I had a reason, all right, and the reason is
you get you get wrapped in that everybody you went
to high school with. That's like yay, you know, with
(13:08):
their alma maters and everything. And it's funny. My dad
graduated from the University of Notre Dame and I'm a
huge Notre Dame fan, and they're like, did you go there?
That's where you graduate. I'm like, no, I graduated it
and I went to the U of M.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Elizabeth.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
To most people I know that are Notre Dame fans,
you haven't step foot on the campus. So it's okay,
it's fine to the one they went to, h I have,
what's the one.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
That my dad? So I had to otherwise I was
going to get this and went to Minnesota. Why didn't
you say it? And I was like, okay, because it
didn't matter.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Well, as far as I'm gonna start, you went and
you graduated.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Does mean you're.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Okay, Lizabeth? Thank you have a good day about that.
Is there a harmless lie? Bro Yes? I mean I
think there. I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
I don't think every lie is the same, but I
don't know. I mean, if you keep telling the same
stud but lie over and over again, I think it
gets worse. I mean, light to the world, lie on
your resume, no, lie to your partner.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
We sleep together every That's what I mean. Like, what
else is so easy for you to lie?
Speaker 7 (14:09):
Bring me in on a line, Because everyone in a
relationship is one hundred percent honest with each other.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
All the time. What are you lying about? Jason? Do
not justify lies?
Speaker 7 (14:23):
No, who is honest to their partner one hundred person?
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Come on, girl, Okay, okay, but so this person.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But I think the part that's lost on you is
that this person's looking you in the eye every day
and telling you the same thing that's not true. It's
a conscious choice every day to lie to you. That
is different than a one time liar of fib Oh. No,
I did switch to laundry. No, I went to college.
And I'm telling you this for two years.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Did they talk about it every day?
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Guys?
Speaker 5 (14:55):
I cannot.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
You got me in the world time about Jason went
to Harvey Yeah you know, man, Jason, Yes he did.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
He went to Harvard. Girl, Well, I didn't go to Harvard.
I didn't graduate.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
You guys are at I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't
care the level of the lie. If your partners were
looking at you regularly and telling you the same fake story,
you would you would be heard and upset and you
would question the validity of a lot of things.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
It was that easy.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You're looking at me every day pretending you didn't make
out with someone else.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
So it's not just a bad choice. I think that's
far worse.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I just I disagree. I disagree because I can't undo.
I can undo the lie. I can't undo the makeout.
I can never do that again.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You're lying, looking at me, acting like you've been faithful.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Both.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
I mean, I agreed. Are you faithful? I guess, but
I can't.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I can't unfaithful my saying I can't, I can't something
I can do about I can tell you I lied
and even go to college. I can't unkiss the person
trust me. I wish I could unkiss a lot of people.
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