December 3, 2024 • 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fred Show is on? Is Stay or Go? All right?
Madison is here?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bring on Madison, Hello, good morning, welcome to the show.
How are you good, How are you doing great? What's
going on with your boyfriend? In this case, instay or
Goo tell us everything?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Okay, Well, I've been dating my boyfriend for six months now,
and I really really think we're great together. It's just
that I can't get over this fun thing. I went
to this party with my friends and I brought him
because I wanted him to meet all my friends, and
he kind of embarrassed me, and I thought it was fun,
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but then afterward, like somebody told me this thing, and
I was like what.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
So okay. So one of my friends was pouring me
drinks and she pulls me over and she says, you know,
your boyfriend just.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Told me to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And I was like, what, my boyfriend told my friend
to cut me off.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Like he couldn't do it himself. And and I just
met her.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
He had just met her, and I was like, that's
kind of a bad impression, you.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Maybe I don't know, did you need to be cut off?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Like I'm not trying to be a check ass, but
in all honesty, Like sometimes I wish somebody would tell
me when enough is enough, or at least in the past.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm at my best friend's house.
I thought, like, who cares the holidays? Like whatever, let me.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Be who I am.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And I don't know, I'm just like I'm.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Kind of weirded out that he couldn't just tell me
that himself and he had to.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Go through my friend and then embarrassed me like that.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, I mean, if again, Madison, if you're drunk, then
that's usually that a conversation when I have with somebody,
it's it's usually a good time to try and reason
with a person, you know what I mean. And so
if she was the one pooring that use, I guess
all he was really doing was avoiding that that argument,
that altercation.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Why don't you like it?
Speaker 7 (02:10):
I just I don't think like the night that you
meet your girls, all her best friends, I don't think
that's a time to be telling a friend secretly to
cut her off, especially when it sounds like the friends
didn't the friend didn't think she needed to be cut off,
and she's with all her best friends and no one
else felt that way.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
I don't know, I don't. I don't like that moment.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Then then the friend says, okay, I'm not doing it
like I think she's okay, I'll watch her.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
But I don't like the move on the boyfriends. It's
just my opinion. But I don't thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, I'm wondering if I'm going crazy here, because like,
they're my best friends, they know me too. They would
help me if I was completely fastered and I wasn't.
I mean, I was drunk, but I wasn't like like
tripping and falling like.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I guess I can see how this comes off controlling,
But at the same time, I've also been on both
sides of the conversation if I'm being honest, where it's like, hey,
you know what, like ' let's call it for the
night or whatever, and you don't want to and that's
not a time to have a No one's reasonable when
they're drunk, right, So I don't I guess I don't
know who he was supposed to tell if he was
worried about it, because he's you know, he could go
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to his girlfriend or maybe or you in this case,
and he could say, hey, uh, I don't think you
should drink anymore, and then it's going to be a
you know, it's possible there's going to be a confrontation
or a fight or an argument in front of the friends,
which he doesn't want the first time he's meeting them.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
He's not getting sick, she's not starting fights.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
So what but to his to the guy's defence, like
this was the first time hanging out with her friends.
He doesn't know, he doesn't know how she gets, you
know what I'm saying, she this might be the first
time heard him.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Seeing her like that.
Speaker 8 (03:45):
So instead of him saying it, he knows that they've
been friends for a long time, and he's just like, hey,
can you just you know, cut her off because it's the.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Friend didn't agree because she went her and said I
didn't like this move.
Speaker 8 (03:56):
Well, I mean he's just he's being protective without starting
anything because you don't know how that conversation is going
to go, like this is the first time you're hanging out,
she's drunk, and just let the friend do it and
be like, hey, you know, I think we should cut
her off.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
She looks pretty drunk. Rufio Okalen.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Maybe maybe he you know, it's been six months and Madison,
I'm talking about you like you're not here. But you know,
maybe he knows that you get him a like. Look,
I've I've dated people. I have friends who are not
good drunks. They're not good drinkers. They get emotional, they
get argumentative, they get sloppy, And yeah, her friends might
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know that, but her friends also aren't the ones who
have to deal with that during or after. So again,
you know, I don't know that he could have had
the conversation with her. I don't know who else she
was supposed to have the conversation with if in fact,
he didn't want her to become argumentative potentially or emotional
or there might be, because that's the last thing you
want is a drunk person to start a fight in
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front of her friends with you. And then now you're
you're in a position where you're being judged not only
on who you are and first impressions, but how you're
going to manage that when you know, maybe it was like, hey,
can we just pump the brakes on this a little bit,
because uh, you know, I.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Just feel like the friend would like then if she
gets emotional, it doesn't sound like she was like if
she gets emotional, I think the friend would not then
go to her and have an issue with it, like
if it was a problem. I don't think that the
friends would be upset by that move.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I don't know. It just doesn't Are you an emotional drunk?
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Do you know that?
Speaker 10 (05:23):
Like?
Speaker 11 (05:23):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
No, no, I'm not, I'm fun.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, okay, But let me ask you this on the
flip side, Let's say this dude just watches this all
go down and there's absolutely nothing like I realized she's
an adult and she can do whatever she wants. But
you know, she just gets completely hammered and he just
sits there like he doesn't care. I could see this
going the other way where it's like does this dude
not like, does this he doesn't care at all?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
There's a middle ground between that between cutting someone off.
It's just making watching out, making sure she drinks water,
taking care of her. But if she's truly having fun
like she's saying, and she's in a safe place, she's
not driving. I don't know if they were staying over
or not. I don't underst like, I don't know. It
just doesn't sound like that's a situation.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
It's also not fun for him, Like, yeah, he doesn't
get to have any fun because he's got.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
A lie one night and he's meeting all her best friends.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
I don't know unless she's not self aware, and then yeah,
then we don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, well, and you know, Madison again talking about you
like you're not here. You might be a self aware
of queen. You might also be completely oblivious and that's
why you're calling us and acting like you don't know
what's going to mean. I don't we don't know you,
and so I want to take your side and say, hey, look,
maybe the guy overstepped, but I guess I can come
up with more reasons why this benefits you. Then it
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hurts you. I mean, it's not as though it's not
as why he went to her friends and said give
her more. I mean imagine, well, but then he's a
predator and he's a creepy, but he's weird. I'm just
saying what he did was he went to her and said, hey,
can we slow it down? And again her friend said
I don't agree with you and didn't or whatever. And
by the way, we haven't even taken any consideration the
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fact the friend might be a little crap starter. You know,
the little friends.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Was right and it was a weird move, and she
didn't think she was too drunk. We don't know, that's
the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, and also thinking too like is she or medicine?
Are you like different around your friends versus your man,
because I've seen that a lot, right, Like around your friends, Oh,
you're the party, but like you said, Fred, you go
home and there's fights and next thing you know, you're
throwing something across the room. I'm just saying, maybe he
doesn't want to deal with that, if that's how she is,
and maybe there isn't self awareness.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
I'm just speaking out loud here.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I fear definitely.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I definitely have friends and people i've dated who I
don't think hold their liquor very well, and all I
can think and I don't think i'd say anything. I
don't know that I would say anything unless I was
really accustomed to the friends and ingratiated with that group.
But at the same time, I've sat there and watched
it go down and been like, great, this is going
to be the rest of my night. Like I'm going
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to be, you know, holding the hair, I'm gonna be
not in a fun way, I'm going to be you know,
I mean, this is going to become my responsibility and
it's and it's not. It's not going to be their responsibility.
So it's all fun and game, right, like, oh yeah,
let her drink, letter, drink, have a good time. And
at the end of the night, it's like, now here
you go, and then you get to sort.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Of, well, have you gotten sick with him or have
you guys, have you started fights with him?
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I mean we can ask.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Her no, no, definitely not. I'm not confrontational at all.
Speaker 12 (08:16):
The red flag to me is that he had to
go tell your friends, Like why didn't he feel comfortable
coming to tell you that?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's strong that's.
Speaker 12 (08:24):
The red But yeah, so that's the issue for me,
even if I'm like ane reated, like you should still
feel comfortable to come tell me. I know your girl,
don't go talk about me to my friend. That's the
issue that I'm kind of having with it. Like, and
I don't know if it's something you've done in the
past and maybe you don't remember that has made him
feel uncomfortable to talk to you that or about it
or whatever, But like, that is a big red flag
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to me. Don't ever feel more comfortable talking to my
friends about me, then you feel comfortable coming to me.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yes, he did drung. He was asking for help.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
He said, she's a sloppy drunk cutter off, how drunk
for the friends as well too.
Speaker 12 (08:58):
You don't know that situation either. Well, you know what,
this man just needs to leave you, maybe because maybe
you and your whole group of friends y'all sloppy drunks.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And he knows what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
There's there's a very good chance there's a very good
chance there's a whole nother side. We're only hearing their
side by the right and as.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What do you mean when I'm listening to it?
Speaker 7 (09:22):
We all but we are all these answers right right.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But it's her perspective. We're not hearing his. She's telling
us about her. With all due respect to Madison, I
don't know that you're gonna call up a radio show
and go I'm a raging drunk with an alcohol problem
and and my boyfriend cut me off?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
How dare he? You know?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't think that's what's going to happen. And so
what's being presented here is another perspective, which is maybe
the guy gave a damn and didn't want it to
puke all night. Like it's possible that this is not nefarious?
Is all that Rufio and I are saying as people
who have had to be cared for and have had
to care for other people. And I don't really know
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what he was supposed to do there except for let
her just get hammered, which he's entitled to do because
she's a grown up. That sounds like a little more
of a nostril situation there. But let me take some
(10:26):
phocos on this medicine. Have a good morning, Okay, good luck.
I love how Kiki goes from don't you do that?
You should leave her at.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
That.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
We need to save this man because I don't know
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I don't I don't know why we're I don't know
why we're taking the drunk girl's story as gospel. I
don't know why we're not exploring the possibility that there's
there's maybe more to it than that. And we don't
know the friends, We don't know this girl. She's telling
her own story.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I would love for someone to be honest enough to
call up here and go I am ay and and
this is what happened. But if she wouldn't say that,
then there's no debate because if she were to call
up here and go, I'm a drunk and my boyfriend
asked my friend to stop pouring me drinks, well then
no one here is going to argue that he didn't
do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
But I'm just saying there's also another side where it
was a controlling move, or he should have talked to
her first.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
That I agree with Keiki, like, try you.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
We've never gotten to a fight, I've never gotten sick,
she said, so try to at least.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Talk to me first.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
If it goes south, then that's a different story next time.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But how do you know that happened? How do you
know it didn't happen? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
We always believe people that call up here, and now
we just don't.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Maybe they did have a conmerce, so maybe he was
trying to slower down.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
I think it's hard of this liquor involved, right, So that's.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
What I mean. That's what I mean. And Kiki also
said that he should leave.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
And she probably thinks it's cheating too. I don't know
he's actually he's sleeping without friends.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yea, the friend and the friend is trying to blow
this whole thing up so they can move on.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
They you do that?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
She was.
Speaker 13 (12:08):
All right?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is it Melyssa? Is that how you say your NAMESA? Yes,
Jalisa High. Okay, So you and Kiki and I might
be aligned on this. Go ahead, What do you want
to say?
Speaker 10 (12:22):
Yeah? I think that he needs to.
Speaker 14 (12:25):
Leave just because, like you said, Fred and Kiki that
he's also been dating her for six months, so he's
probably seen her in her hot mess state and he's
just trying to avoid like some confrontation or conflicts when.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They go home.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
And so yeah, he was just you know, suggesting to
the friend that he should cut her off. And I,
at least honestly, we think that she's calling you guys
for validation on her end, just to like say that
she was that she's not crazy, which I don't believe,
no offense for her. I think he could go.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm sorry, And I want to say, for the record, Caitlin,
I don't usually agree or believe the people that call
up for say or go.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Usually we're on their side because they're calling with an
issue that I mean I'm just saying, like, I don't
understand why this specific instance, we're not believing someone.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Because well, no, it's not that I'm not believing her.
I'm presenting the idea that and and Paulina said the
same thing. There's alcohol involved, and she's telling a story
about something that happened while she was drunk. That is,
that is high emotion. So there's a possibility that we're
missing a step here. And that's all I'm presenting. Is
I just true, think you if this guy had done nothing,
he's a jackass. If he does something, he's a jackass.
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I don't exactly know what he was. He wasn't necessarily
set up for success here, uh, in my opinion. But
thank you, have a great day, Thanks for calling.
Speaker 10 (13:41):
I love you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Good good Yes, they're coming soon.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yvonne, yvon High good.
Speaker 11 (13:49):
Morning, Hi, good morning.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I think alcohol, good morning. Alcohol is the major component here.
If this if alcohol weren't involved, if everybody was sober
and of sound mind, and this dude's go around the
way to try and you know, work a problem with
his girl instead of talking to her directly, that's a problem.
And if he didn't make any attempt to talk to
her directly. That's a problem, but we don't really know.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
For me, it's the best friends, Like I have best
friends that love and take care of me, and then
I've been friends with for years. So if my friend
read the situation like you need to be cut off,
my friends will cut me off and they will handle
it and they will agree. But they're not coming to
me saying your new man is trying to cut you off.
This feels weird. If it doesn't feel weird, that's the
only reason I'm riding for that, Yvonne.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What does you want to say? Welcome? By the way,
I'm sorry, thank you.
Speaker 11 (14:34):
No, And that's kind of I'm kind of leaning towards
Kalen as well, because I guess the way I feel it,
Like you said, alcohol is involved, so it can be
it can go either way. There's a lot to the
story we probably don't know, but I think what I
factor in is it's different. It's a different setting. It's
a fresh relationship. You just meeting her group of friends.
This is probably the one time you should let her
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get way sick and let her get sick and all
that kind of stuff, because her friends are there and
you're there to take care of her. Now that was
the opposite. And let's say in his family and he's like,
oh man, she's gonna embarrass me, then maybe till one
a year four not even talk to her. But if
she's too drugs, then tell one of your people. Hey,
let's take it back.
Speaker 13 (15:14):
But it's this, as her.
Speaker 11 (15:15):
Friends, this is the one time he should let her come.
And that's where if that's where I think it might
be a little bit controlling.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And now what if what if he'd been like, you
know what, cool, you guys are having a great time.
You're getting after it. I'm not, And I don't really
want to deal with this because you're making this choice.
So I'm out of here and I'll see tomorrow or
I'll see another day or whatever. He's an a hole
for that too, Like there's no out for this guy,
Like there's no By the way, I'm speaking from the
perspective of a guy who has been the one guy
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meeting the new group of girls. It's a and I
think the other way is probably also precarious. But it's
a tricky spot. It's a tricky spot to be the
new boyfriend meeting all the girls for the first time,
because while your friends came, might be completely welcoming and
love everybody you date and be very kind, and that's
the experience. That's that's not always the experience. And so
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then you take that and then you add alcohol to it,
and it's not necessarily a recipe for success, and it's like,
I don't I'm just putting myself in his position and
going anytime that there's too much alcohol, it it's like
a it's kind of like a pipe bomb, like anything
can happen, and I don't really want to necessarily have
a blow up in my face. And then this is
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the first impression you get of me, is me sort
of mismanaging a situation with my girlfriend who's hammered.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
I just feel like it's just one night. It's the
first time. Like in the future, he can do that.
That's that's all I was saying. But yeah, thank.
Speaker 11 (16:43):
You, floppy drug. She could be like, Hey, this is
your friend here. You guys want to help me pick her?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
You want to see her?
Speaker 10 (16:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
I guess that's look at it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I guess you could.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I could also see them being like, oh, really, you're
not even going to take care of her. Oh okay, but.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Thank you having.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Honestly, I think it's a tough spot. I really do,
and I see both sides, but I'm trying to put
myself in the position of a guy meeting a group
of girls for the first time and going, oh.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Man, you've been there before, so that's where you're coming from.
I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Samantha.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
Hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Good morning?
Speaker 10 (17:17):
Stay? Or go?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
What you what do you think I think she should go?
Speaker 9 (17:21):
I think that while the entire conversation that just happened
on air and people were questioning her, she never once
got defensive or angry or she kind of just took it.
And I think that speaks for a character in the
first place, like she doesn't assume like a confrontation.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
For something she was taking.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
She was taking something. She was taking something to get
herself through a color. I mean, so, I'm sorry, but
this woman you're saying, she's calling up here telling me
she's self aware, and then all of a sudden, you hear,
oh my.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
God, making a little.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
I agree, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's funny though.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's just if that was if that was in if
that if she was making a protein shake and that
in Marita. Then I don't you know that's it was
just an unfortunate sound at that moment. But anyway, Samantha,
I love you, thank you for calling. I have a
good day. Samantha's like, you're a you're idiot, you're an
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overs I am an idiot. No, I'm an idiot, but
I'm not a drunk. Christie high, Hi, what do you
think there?
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Go?
Speaker 11 (18:43):
I think she should leave her.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
I think she's a hot mess.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
People.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Finish your thought, Christy.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And then I want to get back to Jason's statement,
but what so he should go because mom.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
And collected she was on the phone call. And I
know there's two.
Speaker 13 (19:05):
Sides to every story, but if this girl has been
dating this guy for six months and she had to
go as far and go on the radio where this
dude can't defend himself for trying to be in her
best interest, like why couldn't she just be like, hey,
I didn't really appreciate, like what was your reason for
doing that? After being together for six months? By girl,
like it sounds like this guy was like had her
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best interest at hert you know, and.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Here she the opposite is completely unacceptable, right, the opposite
him being like yeah to or let us go, like
you can't do that, right, he.
Speaker 13 (19:37):
Should have been a total douchebag and been like, oh,
get so hammered that you don't know what the heck
you're doing. But no, he like actually intervened and was like, hey,
let's just cut her off a little bit. And it
sounds like her friends need to have her best interest
at heart as well, because trust me, I've been with
friends that didn't care to look. You just keep drinking,
keep drinking, keep drinking, you know, and they called her
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your friend.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You know, maybe he's trying to.
Speaker 13 (20:11):
Christian guy is always going to have to run every
decision through her friends because obviously her friend's opinions are
more important than you know.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Anything else.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And Christie, thank you, thanks for calling. Have a good day.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I appreciate you and everybody who call. And I agree,
I agree completely that in nine times out of ten,
it's a simple conversation that you have with her and
with nobody else except for the fact that she was drunk,
which there's no reason.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
There's no reason going on in those moments.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Have you ever tried to have a reasonable conversation with
a drunk person, like it's in my experience arguing with
drunk people, it's like, how about you go to bed
and we'll talk about it tomorrow. You know, I can
also see how it could come off controlling, but sorry,
you got to blow that.
Speaker 14 (20:58):
I heard.
Speaker 10 (21:00):
I was.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I was just that was my protein shape. I always
I always snorted everything.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Don't get
Fred Show is on? Is Stay or Go? All right?
Madison is here?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bring on Madison, Hello, good morning, welcome to the show.
How are you good, How are you doing great? What's
going on with your boyfriend? In this case, instay or
Goo tell us everything?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
Okay, Well, I've been dating my boyfriend for six months now,
and I really really think we're great together. It's just
that I can't get over this fun thing. I went
to this party with my friends and I brought him
because I wanted him to meet all my friends, and
he kind of embarrassed me, and I thought it was fun,
(00:40):
but then afterward, like somebody told me this thing, and
I was like what.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
So okay. So one of my friends was pouring me
drinks and she pulls me over and she says, you know,
your boyfriend just.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Told me to cut you off.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
And I was like, what, my boyfriend told my friend
to cut me off.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Like he couldn't do it himself. And and I just
met her.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
He had just met her, and I was like, that's
kind of a bad impression, you.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Maybe I don't know, did you need to be cut off?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Like I'm not trying to be a check ass, but
in all honesty, Like sometimes I wish somebody would tell
me when enough is enough, or at least in the past.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm at my best friend's house.
I thought, like, who cares the holidays? Like whatever, let me.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Be who I am.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And I don't know, I'm just like I'm.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Kind of weirded out that he couldn't just tell me
that himself and he had to.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Go through my friend and then embarrassed me like that.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, I mean, if again, Madison, if you're drunk, then
that's usually that a conversation when I have with somebody,
it's it's usually a good time to try and reason
with a person, you know what I mean. And so
if she was the one pooring that use, I guess
all he was really doing was avoiding that that argument,
that altercation.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Why don't you like it?
Speaker 7 (02:10):
I just I don't think like the night that you
meet your girls, all her best friends, I don't think
that's a time to be telling a friend secretly to
cut her off, especially when it sounds like the friends
didn't the friend didn't think she needed to be cut off,
and she's with all her best friends and no one
else felt that way.
Speaker 6 (02:26):
I don't know, I don't. I don't like that moment.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Then then the friend says, okay, I'm not doing it
like I think she's okay, I'll watch her.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
But I don't like the move on the boyfriends. It's
just my opinion. But I don't thank you.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, I'm wondering if I'm going crazy here, because like,
they're my best friends, they know me too. They would
help me if I was completely fastered and I wasn't.
I mean, I was drunk, but I wasn't like like
tripping and falling like.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I guess I can see how this comes off controlling,
But at the same time, I've also been on both
sides of the conversation if I'm being honest, where it's like, hey,
you know what, like ' let's call it for the
night or whatever, and you don't want to and that's
not a time to have a No one's reasonable when
they're drunk, right, So I don't I guess I don't
know who he was supposed to tell if he was
worried about it, because he's you know, he could go
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to his girlfriend or maybe or you in this case,
and he could say, hey, uh, I don't think you
should drink anymore, and then it's going to be a
you know, it's possible there's going to be a confrontation
or a fight or an argument in front of the friends,
which he doesn't want the first time he's meeting them.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
He's not getting sick, she's not starting fights.
Speaker 8 (03:33):
So what but to his to the guy's defence, like
this was the first time hanging out with her friends.
He doesn't know, he doesn't know how she gets, you
know what I'm saying, she this might be the first
time heard him.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Seeing her like that.
Speaker 8 (03:45):
So instead of him saying it, he knows that they've
been friends for a long time, and he's just like, hey,
can you just you know, cut her off because it's the.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Friend didn't agree because she went her and said I
didn't like this move.
Speaker 8 (03:56):
Well, I mean he's just he's being protective without starting
anything because you don't know how that conversation is going
to go, like this is the first time you're hanging out,
she's drunk, and just let the friend do it and
be like, hey, you know, I think we should cut
her off.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
She looks pretty drunk. Rufio Okalen.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Maybe maybe he you know, it's been six months and Madison,
I'm talking about you like you're not here. But you know,
maybe he knows that you get him a like. Look,
I've I've dated people. I have friends who are not
good drunks. They're not good drinkers. They get emotional, they
get argumentative, they get sloppy, And yeah, her friends might
(04:32):
know that, but her friends also aren't the ones who
have to deal with that during or after. So again,
you know, I don't know that he could have had
the conversation with her. I don't know who else she
was supposed to have the conversation with if in fact,
he didn't want her to become argumentative potentially or emotional
or there might be, because that's the last thing you
want is a drunk person to start a fight in
(04:53):
front of her friends with you. And then now you're
you're in a position where you're being judged not only
on who you are and first impressions, but how you're
going to manage that when you know, maybe it was like, hey,
can we just pump the brakes on this a little bit,
because uh, you know, I.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
Just feel like the friend would like then if she
gets emotional, it doesn't sound like she was like if
she gets emotional, I think the friend would not then
go to her and have an issue with it, like
if it was a problem. I don't think that the
friends would be upset by that move.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
I don't know. It just doesn't Are you an emotional drunk?
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Do you know that?
Speaker 10 (05:23):
Like?
Speaker 11 (05:23):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
No, no, I'm not, I'm fun.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, okay, But let me ask you this on the
flip side, Let's say this dude just watches this all
go down and there's absolutely nothing like I realized she's
an adult and she can do whatever she wants. But
you know, she just gets completely hammered and he just
sits there like he doesn't care. I could see this
going the other way where it's like does this dude
not like, does this he doesn't care at all?
Speaker 7 (05:44):
There's a middle ground between that between cutting someone off.
It's just making watching out, making sure she drinks water,
taking care of her. But if she's truly having fun
like she's saying, and she's in a safe place, she's
not driving. I don't know if they were staying over
or not. I don't underst like, I don't know. It
just doesn't sound like that's a situation.
Speaker 8 (06:02):
It's also not fun for him, Like, yeah, he doesn't
get to have any fun because he's got.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
A lie one night and he's meeting all her best friends.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
I don't know unless she's not self aware, and then yeah,
then we don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, well, and you know, Madison again talking about you
like you're not here. You might be a self aware
of queen. You might also be completely oblivious and that's
why you're calling us and acting like you don't know
what's going to mean. I don't we don't know you,
and so I want to take your side and say, hey, look,
maybe the guy overstepped, but I guess I can come
up with more reasons why this benefits you. Then it
(06:35):
hurts you. I mean, it's not as though it's not
as why he went to her friends and said give
her more. I mean imagine, well, but then he's a
predator and he's a creepy, but he's weird. I'm just
saying what he did was he went to her and said, hey,
can we slow it down? And again her friend said
I don't agree with you and didn't or whatever. And
by the way, we haven't even taken any consideration the
(06:56):
fact the friend might be a little crap starter. You know,
the little friends.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Was right and it was a weird move, and she
didn't think she was too drunk. We don't know, that's
the thing.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Yeah, and also thinking too like is she or medicine?
Are you like different around your friends versus your man,
because I've seen that a lot, right, Like around your friends, Oh,
you're the party, but like you said, Fred, you go
home and there's fights and next thing you know, you're
throwing something across the room. I'm just saying, maybe he
doesn't want to deal with that, if that's how she is,
and maybe there isn't self awareness.
Speaker 6 (07:24):
I'm just speaking out loud here.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I fear definitely.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I definitely have friends and people i've dated who I
don't think hold their liquor very well, and all I
can think and I don't think i'd say anything. I
don't know that I would say anything unless I was
really accustomed to the friends and ingratiated with that group.
But at the same time, I've sat there and watched
it go down and been like, great, this is going
to be the rest of my night. Like I'm going
(07:47):
to be, you know, holding the hair, I'm gonna be
not in a fun way, I'm going to be you know,
I mean, this is going to become my responsibility and
it's and it's not. It's not going to be their responsibility.
So it's all fun and game, right, like, oh yeah,
let her drink, letter, drink, have a good time. And
at the end of the night, it's like, now here
you go, and then you get to sort.
Speaker 7 (08:06):
Of, well, have you gotten sick with him or have
you guys, have you started fights with him?
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I mean we can ask.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Her no, no, definitely not. I'm not confrontational at all.
Speaker 12 (08:16):
The red flag to me is that he had to
go tell your friends, Like why didn't he feel comfortable
coming to tell you that?
Speaker 1 (08:23):
That's strong that's.
Speaker 12 (08:24):
The red But yeah, so that's the issue for me,
even if I'm like ane reated, like you should still
feel comfortable to come tell me. I know your girl,
don't go talk about me to my friend. That's the
issue that I'm kind of having with it. Like, and
I don't know if it's something you've done in the
past and maybe you don't remember that has made him
feel uncomfortable to talk to you that or about it
or whatever, But like, that is a big red flag
(08:45):
to me. Don't ever feel more comfortable talking to my
friends about me, then you feel comfortable coming to me.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yes, he did drung. He was asking for help.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
He said, she's a sloppy drunk cutter off, how drunk
for the friends as well too.
Speaker 12 (08:58):
You don't know that situation either. Well, you know what,
this man just needs to leave you, maybe because maybe
you and your whole group of friends y'all sloppy drunks.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And he knows what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
There's there's a very good chance there's a very good
chance there's a whole nother side. We're only hearing their
side by the right and as.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
What do you mean when I'm listening to it?
Speaker 7 (09:22):
We all but we are all these answers right right.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
But it's her perspective. We're not hearing his. She's telling
us about her. With all due respect to Madison, I
don't know that you're gonna call up a radio show
and go I'm a raging drunk with an alcohol problem
and and my boyfriend cut me off?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
How dare he? You know?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't think that's what's going to happen. And so
what's being presented here is another perspective, which is maybe
the guy gave a damn and didn't want it to
puke all night. Like it's possible that this is not nefarious?
Is all that Rufio and I are saying as people
who have had to be cared for and have had
to care for other people. And I don't really know
(10:01):
what he was supposed to do there except for let
her just get hammered, which he's entitled to do because
she's a grown up. That sounds like a little more
of a nostril situation there. But let me take some
(10:26):
phocos on this medicine. Have a good morning, Okay, good luck.
I love how Kiki goes from don't you do that?
You should leave her at.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
That.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
We need to save this man because I don't know
what's going on.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I don't I don't know why we're I don't know
why we're taking the drunk girl's story as gospel. I
don't know why we're not exploring the possibility that there's
there's maybe more to it than that. And we don't
know the friends, We don't know this girl. She's telling
her own story.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I would love for someone to be honest enough to
call up here and go I am ay and and
this is what happened. But if she wouldn't say that,
then there's no debate because if she were to call
up here and go, I'm a drunk and my boyfriend
asked my friend to stop pouring me drinks, well then
no one here is going to argue that he didn't
do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
But I'm just saying there's also another side where it
was a controlling move, or he should have talked to
her first.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
That I agree with Keiki, like, try you.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
We've never gotten to a fight, I've never gotten sick,
she said, so try to at least.
Speaker 6 (11:26):
Talk to me first.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
If it goes south, then that's a different story next time.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
But how do you know that happened? How do you
know it didn't happen? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
We always believe people that call up here, and now
we just don't.
Speaker 8 (11:37):
Maybe they did have a conmerce, so maybe he was
trying to slower down.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
I think it's hard of this liquor involved, right, So that's.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
What I mean. That's what I mean. And Kiki also
said that he should leave.
Speaker 6 (11:47):
And she probably thinks it's cheating too. I don't know
he's actually he's sleeping without friends.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yea, the friend and the friend is trying to blow
this whole thing up so they can move on.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
They you do that?
Speaker 4 (12:03):
She was.
Speaker 13 (12:08):
All right?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is it Melyssa? Is that how you say your NAMESA? Yes,
Jalisa High. Okay, So you and Kiki and I might
be aligned on this. Go ahead, What do you want
to say?
Speaker 10 (12:22):
Yeah? I think that he needs to.
Speaker 14 (12:25):
Leave just because, like you said, Fred and Kiki that
he's also been dating her for six months, so he's
probably seen her in her hot mess state and he's
just trying to avoid like some confrontation or conflicts when.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They go home.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
And so yeah, he was just you know, suggesting to
the friend that he should cut her off. And I,
at least honestly, we think that she's calling you guys
for validation on her end, just to like say that
she was that she's not crazy, which I don't believe,
no offense for her. I think he could go.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I'm sorry, And I want to say, for the record, Caitlin,
I don't usually agree or believe the people that call
up for say or go.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (13:02):
Usually we're on their side because they're calling with an
issue that I mean I'm just saying, like, I don't
understand why this specific instance, we're not believing someone.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Because well, no, it's not that I'm not believing her.
I'm presenting the idea that and and Paulina said the
same thing. There's alcohol involved, and she's telling a story
about something that happened while she was drunk. That is,
that is high emotion. So there's a possibility that we're
missing a step here. And that's all I'm presenting. Is
I just true, think you if this guy had done nothing,
he's a jackass. If he does something, he's a jackass.
(13:33):
I don't exactly know what he was. He wasn't necessarily
set up for success here, uh, in my opinion. But
thank you, have a great day, Thanks for calling.
Speaker 10 (13:41):
I love you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Good good Yes, they're coming soon.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yvonne, yvon High good.
Speaker 11 (13:49):
Morning, Hi, good morning.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I think alcohol, good morning. Alcohol is the major component here.
If this if alcohol weren't involved, if everybody was sober
and of sound mind, and this dude's go around the
way to try and you know, work a problem with
his girl instead of talking to her directly, that's a problem.
And if he didn't make any attempt to talk to
her directly. That's a problem, but we don't really know.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
For me, it's the best friends, Like I have best
friends that love and take care of me, and then
I've been friends with for years. So if my friend
read the situation like you need to be cut off,
my friends will cut me off and they will handle
it and they will agree. But they're not coming to
me saying your new man is trying to cut you off.
This feels weird. If it doesn't feel weird, that's the
only reason I'm riding for that, Yvonne.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
What does you want to say? Welcome? By the way,
I'm sorry, thank you.
Speaker 11 (14:34):
No, And that's kind of I'm kind of leaning towards
Kalen as well, because I guess the way I feel it,
Like you said, alcohol is involved, so it can be
it can go either way. There's a lot to the
story we probably don't know, but I think what I
factor in is it's different. It's a different setting. It's
a fresh relationship. You just meeting her group of friends.
This is probably the one time you should let her
(14:56):
get way sick and let her get sick and all
that kind of stuff, because her friends are there and
you're there to take care of her. Now that was
the opposite. And let's say in his family and he's like,
oh man, she's gonna embarrass me, then maybe till one
a year four not even talk to her. But if
she's too drugs, then tell one of your people. Hey,
let's take it back.
Speaker 13 (15:14):
But it's this, as her.
Speaker 11 (15:15):
Friends, this is the one time he should let her come.
And that's where if that's where I think it might
be a little bit controlling.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And now what if what if he'd been like, you
know what, cool, you guys are having a great time.
You're getting after it. I'm not, And I don't really
want to deal with this because you're making this choice.
So I'm out of here and I'll see tomorrow or
I'll see another day or whatever. He's an a hole
for that too, Like there's no out for this guy,
Like there's no By the way, I'm speaking from the
perspective of a guy who has been the one guy
(15:45):
meeting the new group of girls. It's a and I
think the other way is probably also precarious. But it's
a tricky spot. It's a tricky spot to be the
new boyfriend meeting all the girls for the first time,
because while your friends came, might be completely welcoming and
love everybody you date and be very kind, and that's
the experience. That's that's not always the experience. And so
(16:09):
then you take that and then you add alcohol to it,
and it's not necessarily a recipe for success, and it's like,
I don't I'm just putting myself in his position and
going anytime that there's too much alcohol, it it's like
a it's kind of like a pipe bomb, like anything
can happen, and I don't really want to necessarily have
a blow up in my face. And then this is
(16:30):
the first impression you get of me, is me sort
of mismanaging a situation with my girlfriend who's hammered.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
I just feel like it's just one night. It's the
first time. Like in the future, he can do that.
That's that's all I was saying. But yeah, thank.
Speaker 11 (16:43):
You, floppy drug. She could be like, Hey, this is
your friend here. You guys want to help me pick her?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
You want to see her?
Speaker 10 (16:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (16:50):
I guess that's look at it.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I guess you could.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I could also see them being like, oh, really, you're
not even going to take care of her. Oh okay, but.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Thank you having.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Honestly, I think it's a tough spot. I really do,
and I see both sides, but I'm trying to put
myself in the position of a guy meeting a group
of girls for the first time and going, oh.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Man, you've been there before, so that's where you're coming from.
I get that.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Samantha.
Speaker 9 (17:14):
Hi, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 10 (17:16):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Good morning?
Speaker 10 (17:17):
Stay? Or go?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
What you what do you think I think she should go?
Speaker 9 (17:21):
I think that while the entire conversation that just happened
on air and people were questioning her, she never once
got defensive or angry or she kind of just took it.
And I think that speaks for a character in the
first place, like she doesn't assume like a confrontation.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
For something she was taking.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
She was taking something. She was taking something to get
herself through a color. I mean, so, I'm sorry, but
this woman you're saying, she's calling up here telling me
she's self aware, and then all of a sudden, you hear,
oh my.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
God, making a little.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
I agree, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's funny though.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's just if that was if that was in if
that if she was making a protein shake and that
in Marita. Then I don't you know that's it was
just an unfortunate sound at that moment. But anyway, Samantha,
I love you, thank you for calling. I have a
good day. Samantha's like, you're a you're idiot, you're an
(18:29):
overs I am an idiot. No, I'm an idiot, but
I'm not a drunk. Christie high, Hi, what do you
think there?
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Go?
Speaker 11 (18:43):
I think she should leave her.
Speaker 9 (18:44):
I think she's a hot mess.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
People.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Finish your thought, Christy.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And then I want to get back to Jason's statement,
but what so he should go because mom.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
And collected she was on the phone call. And I
know there's two.
Speaker 13 (19:05):
Sides to every story, but if this girl has been
dating this guy for six months and she had to
go as far and go on the radio where this
dude can't defend himself for trying to be in her
best interest, like why couldn't she just be like, hey,
I didn't really appreciate, like what was your reason for
doing that? After being together for six months? By girl,
like it sounds like this guy was like had her
(19:27):
best interest at hert you know, and.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Here she the opposite is completely unacceptable, right, the opposite
him being like yeah to or let us go, like
you can't do that, right, he.
Speaker 13 (19:37):
Should have been a total douchebag and been like, oh,
get so hammered that you don't know what the heck
you're doing. But no, he like actually intervened and was like, hey,
let's just cut her off a little bit. And it
sounds like her friends need to have her best interest
at heart as well, because trust me, I've been with
friends that didn't care to look. You just keep drinking,
keep drinking, keep drinking, you know, and they called her
(20:00):
your friend.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You know, maybe he's trying to.
Speaker 13 (20:11):
Christian guy is always going to have to run every
decision through her friends because obviously her friend's opinions are
more important than you know.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Anything else.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And Christie, thank you, thanks for calling. Have a good day.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I appreciate you and everybody who call. And I agree,
I agree completely that in nine times out of ten,
it's a simple conversation that you have with her and
with nobody else except for the fact that she was drunk,
which there's no reason.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
There's no reason going on in those moments.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Have you ever tried to have a reasonable conversation with
a drunk person, like it's in my experience arguing with
drunk people, it's like, how about you go to bed
and we'll talk about it tomorrow. You know, I can
also see how it could come off controlling, but sorry,
you got to blow that.
Speaker 14 (20:58):
I heard.
Speaker 10 (21:00):
I was.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I was just that was my protein shape. I always
I always snorted everything.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
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