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So a thirty four year old woman is demanding compensation
from her ex boyfriend who's thirty eight, for what she
says is stealing or I guess did steal. He did
steal her child bearing years. This is from Fox and
I'm not Fox News, So don't worry. I think this
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is it. You don't have to stop listening for him.
Not that I would have anything to do with anything,
but it's like as soon as I say Fox, I
think people are like, oh no, Fox Local.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Every four year old woman is demanding her ex boyfriend
pay compensation, claiming he stole her child bearing yearsly a
decade together. She says her thirty eight year old X
into things just as she was ready to start a family.
She said she put her career and her goals on
hold believing they'd have kids, and now wants them to
cover fertility treatments like egg freezing or IVF. The story
from a New York Post has gone viral, sparking a debate.
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Some call it justified, others say it's absurd to blame
an ex. Legal experts say her case wouldn't hold up
in court, but it is raising some questions about love
timing and who really pays the price when relationships in
So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Does she have a point?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Okay, so this is my question because this is kind
of my demographic, Like I'm in my I guess mid forties. Now.
I love how To and I say this every time,
but was supplying makeup. I'm sorry, distracted me?
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Oh okay, I just didn't want to get away. Should
I look over and there's this mess Scara? And oh well,
this is, for my aver, very distracting to me. Is
that not Messcara?
Speaker 1 (01:54):
No, but I'll put it. What is it? It's eyebrow?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Joe?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, pass it over here. I got none.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I guess me too. Then I guess I feel now
I feel left out. I need some eyepa because I
can't move my arms, so I get you somewhere. Every
time I say that, management's like, you know, you shouldn't
say how old you are, Like, well, I've been here
for sixteen years, so like, I don't know. I feel
like people can do the math. I wasn't twelve when
I got here, but whatever, So, you know, mid thirties
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is sort of it seems to be the appropriate age.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I think for me.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Maybe people would say, and I think that when I
meet people who are in their mid thirties, if they
want to have kids, they're very understandably, I wouldn't say,
well in various states of eagerness, I'll put it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
But I understand why.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know, it's like people kind of want to know, hey,
where's this going pretty quickly if they want to have
kids and don't have any. And it used to kind
of annoy me, but then I really sat back and
was like, well, no, I understand, like you there's only
so much time, and yes, you can freeze your eggs
and there's other things, but like just generally speaking, and yes,
people are gonna text me, oh, well you can have
a kid when you're fifty. Yes, I know, and people
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are gonna text me, well this and that. I'm not
talking about the exceptions. I'm just saying generally speaking, you know,
early mid thirties or before people like to have kids,
I guess. And so if you're not sure, then that
could be a problem, because what if you date somebody
for two or three years, four or five years even,
and maybe you didn't freeze your eggs, then you get
to a certain point where you're at an age where
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it would be more difficult to have kids safely. And
then I mean, whose fault is that. I don't think
you can't blame it on in this case, the guy.
But I also think that a guy should be thoughtful
about the fact that if that's something that you were
absolutely wanting to do, and the dude, if he knows
in his mind he absolutely doesn't want to do it,
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and he's not telling you that because he doesn't want
you to go anywhere. That's wildly selfish. Now, should I
have to pay for your fertility?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
But like, let's say that this person brought up over
the course of that relationship, I want I want to
have I I want to freeze my eggs and he's like, Nah, no,
you don't have to do that. Well, that's messed up too,
because like that might be the only way, that might
be one of the only ways that you could have
a natural child, and and maybe oh yeah, I don't
want the expense or I don't want to deal with
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the you know, the process, because I know even though
it's the woman who who endures most of that process,
I mean, a guy can help. But it's like as
far as all the different things that come with that,
there's a dude, a dude who says, don't don't freeze
your eggs because you don't want to deal with it
as the ultimate level of selfishness in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But I mean, does a guy.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Does a man hold any level of responsibility eight five, five, five,
nine one one three five If he's dating a woman
who wants to have kids in a certain demographic and
and is not extremely vocal or extremely communicative about his intentions,
does the guy hold any responsibility Perhaps not financially, but
morally or ethically.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
You're saying, I almost want to say yes, only because
a man will waste your time if you let him.
And I'm big on that, and I know, yeah, No,
that's very true. It's very true. But if you're a
woman and you know you want kids or you know
you want this, I do think, like in your heart,
like you have to decide if this is something that
you're gonna pursue or how long you're gonna stay in this.
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You don't have to like tell the world like you
have tail years, but you can't say, like, I do
want children, and like if that's not something you want
or like we can do it by a certain time,
then like then this might not be for me, this relationship,
just because I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I just feel like already, like I'm a mom.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
W Right, I'm thirty three, I'm a mom of a
one and a half year old, and I personally like
don't want children later.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I only want one.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
But I also don't want kids later in life because
this is so hard already. I feel like a tea
mom some days and other days I feel like a
nanon because it's just like it's the hardest, most exhausting
thing ever.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So for me, if hobby was like over here, like well.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
I don't know, like I'm not gonna let a man
anybody waste my time.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah, for me, it's more nuanced than just like a
blanket yes or no. However, if I do think of
a dude as like constantly telling you that what he
wants and that's what the plan is, then yes, the
same way that he would want me to respect him
in that relationship, I would demand or I ask for,
at least that respect in return of the second you
know you don't want to do this with me, You know,
you have to be transparent about it. Now, if a
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guy is never sure if he wants kids, then it's
on the woman.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You're entering that at your own risk. You know what
I mean, interrupt her. I don't mean to say to you.
I hate the counter argument. You know, guys do this well,
so do girls. I hate that argument, but it is true.
I mean, I've been in different types of situations where
women are biding time dealing with things, but they don't
want me to go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So it's like, yes, this happens.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
So people do waste each other's time that, and they
do it in dating, and they do it on the
dating apps, and they do it in all forms relationships,
marriage otherwise. So you know, but in this particular case,
if a dude knows that he doesn't want to have
kids or or in this case, apparently he said to her.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
This guy to his girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
He tells me he feels at thirty eight as though
he still has a decade of enjoying his lifestyle and
powering through with his career and is not ready for
marriage and children. But he knows that it's become a
priority for me, So he's off. So he broke up
with her as a result of it. I guess, And
now now you know she wants I guess, compensation or
something for this, which I have to be honest, based
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on that quote, it doesn't sound like he misled her.
It just sounds it sounds like she always knew that
and hoped that he would change his mind and hedged
her bets, and now she had a position where it's
going to be a little bit more challenging and she's
mad about it. That's kind of what it sounds like.
I mean, I think if a dude is like, yep,
I want to do it. I want kids, I want kids.
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I want kids. I want kids, and then you know,
four or five years later, now I don't want kids.
That's his right, but I think you would have every
right to be really upset about it. Now, do you
get financial damages for that?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I don't know. I wish you should, right, like you
should have.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
Like a lot of women waste their time in relationships
and men may not understand how important it is that
time window. Like you have your child bearing years and
you waste them with a guy who was just leading
you on. But it doesn't seem like this guy was
leading her on. It seems like he was clear about
what he does want and what he doesn't want. And
you can't stick around hoping somebody's going to change their mind.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
That's on you.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, then you can say, well, guys, had you know
you can. You can be Mick Jagger. You can have
kids until you're eighty years old.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You can.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But I suppose the same And here I go flip
in the argument again, which I really don't like that
as an argument tactic. But I mean, I could date
someone for five years and then wind up being five
years older than I wanted to be having kids, and
then it turns out we don't have kids and break
up and now I have to start over, which means
a couple more years maybe to meet someone else, and
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then get to the point where so now I'm five six, seven, eight,
ten years older than I wanted to be having kids,
and now I'm a really old dad. I mean, so
I it's not physiologically impossible for a man, but I
still run the risk of it not lining up with
how I wanted my life to be.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I can't sue for that, you know what I mean?
I mean each other? Yeah, let's just in each other time.
So Eric, what's up? Eric?
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (09:11):
We doing? Hey?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Man? So what do you if a woman dates a
guy in her mid thirties wants to have kids, and
after years, you know, he decides, you know what, I
don't want kids? And uh, even if he said he
wanted kids previously and then they break up, I mean,
does he have any kind of moral or ethical or
financial obligation? I mean, I know this is kind of
a ridiculous question, but on the financial front, but like
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I mean, is he responsible in some ways for the
position that she finds herself in late thirties and no kids.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
No, I don't think he old or anything financially, but
you definitely morally, if someone wants kids and you don't,
you definitely should let them know up front. If it's
a situation where the two just split and she feels
that she wasted her time, then it's her choice to
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stay in that relationship. She definitely could have frozen her eggs.
I think a woman has the right to do that
without asking a guy. So she still had played a
part in it as well.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, that's interesting. I guess she very easily could have
just gone ahead with that. And yeah, she didn't need
him to say one way or the other weather she
should or shouldn't do it, unless she was expecting him
to pay for it for some reason. But yeah, I
mean I've dated people who are in the process of
freezing their eggs, who who did before did right after.
We I mean, that's something you don't need me for that,
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You don't need my certainly don't need my permission for
that either.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Exactly exactly, So, so he definitely should just go ahead
and do that if you want to. But at the
same time, though, I don't think he owes her anything financially.
But definitely, guys don't hold up women. Yeah, if you
know you want to have kids, just go for it
and do it.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
All right, Eric, thank you, have a good.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Day, Lovely to I've walked from a lot of early
situations that I never saw developed because it seemed that
the she wanted kids so badly and I was unsure
that I thought it was unfair, and so it's possible
I could have changed my mind. But again, you know,
I'm I'm respectful of the fact and aware of the
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fact that it only would become more difficult depending on
your age. So like I'm holding you up in some ways.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, and that's not fair to her.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
No, But is it worth ending a relationship that could
have been I mean, was I a little maybe over
sensitive to it on your behalf or was I a
little reactive to it in some strength? And I'm not
saying I'm a hero by any means, but I just mean,
you know, did I wind up? Did we wind up
not pursuing something that could have been great? And it
could have led to that because I was concerned with
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with you not meeting your needs and being resentful to
me for it. Hey, Jessica, Yes, Hi, good morning. Final,
Say what do you want to say?
Speaker 8 (11:58):
I I I definitely think that there's some sort of
case for holding them financially responsible. This happened to my sister.
She was with a guy for eleven years from twenty
four to thirty six, and he just up and left her.
But the whole time they had talked about it, like
she wanted multiple kids. He wasn't really into multiple kids.
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But yeah, we'll have at least one kid. Yeah, let's
have kids. She's like, well, she had some health issues.
Maybe I should freeze my eggs. Do you like that
sort of thing?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
No?
Speaker 8 (12:29):
No, well you know we're gonna we'll get into that.
We'll get into that over and over and over again
for years, and then just up and left her. And
here she is now, like thirty seven years old, trying
to start over again. She still wants kids, but now
you have to start over, you have to find a
partner that you trust and like and all of these things.
And now, because of those health issues, is she going
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to be able to have kids in what is now
after thirty five considered a geriatric pregnancy, So it's they
is really a hard situation, but it is definitely need
to take that into consideration.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Because Mary, he genuinely was on the fence and didn't
want to. I mean, and I'm not defending him, I
don't know him, but maybe he was genuinely on the fence,
didn't want to lose her, and then you find yourself
at a point of no return, where it's now you
look like a jacka but like you genuinely. Maybe he
really didn't know, or maybe he hoped that he would
come around to the idea. I think we all take
risks in dating and in relationships and on the dating
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apps and everything else, and I think, you know, unfortunately
this is a place that you can find yourself. But
I think that the key is, you know, and I'm
not saying your sister did anything wrong, but maybe she
should have just proceeded with some of these backup plans
on her own and did not and not wait for
him to decide what she should or shouldn't do or
or you know. It's almost like creating a backup plan
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ahead of time by freezing your eggs.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Right.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
But some people I think miscon true that backup plan
as like disloyalty or you know, or not having faith
in that relationship. And I think that's probably which is
not right at all. But that's probably what he would
have thought and why he pressured her not all so
much to not do those things, because then he thought, well,
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then why are you making a backup plan for not
being with me.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh it's complicated, Jessica. Thank you. Have a good day. Yep,
you Cuba. You got a date multiple what so that
you wind up having a kid going on Maury. You
don't know whose kid it is.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
You know who kidd it is, the one who wanted
to have one, but you probably.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Several. You know, I want to give it to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You know what I was about to say here, we
are not solving the world's problems, and then Kiki says, so,
we're definitely not solving the
Speaker 1 (14:42):
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