This Is Why It's Called The Tangent

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Ki ki more free volunteer work from you today.
It's the Tangent are off air uncensored podcast. I mean,
if you go on, that's the thing I will say.
If you're gonna sit here, then you you I'm gonna work. Well,
if you consider this work, you're gonna get spoken to
that anything goes if you sit here. Yeah, there's I
don't all have you noticed there's a small sign, very

(00:21):
very very small sign on the door that says if
you walk in here that anything can happen and we
can ask you anything, you can say anything and um
and we own all of it. Yeah. I noticed that.
It's very very tiny. A lot of people don't see
it on the way end, but it's there. It's just
really really really really really really really really small. It's
like I think, I remember, oh no, that showed cheaters. Well,
here you'll play againtro. Here's the tangent. It's the tangent

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we couldn't talk about on air that showed cheaters when
it used to be on UM. Yeah, they had like
ten hosts, including rip Um Clark Gable. It was the
grandson of the Clark Gable that hosted cheaters. The third
I think was the third iteration of it. He passed away, Wow,
young guy, here's a rapper. Who's the guy who's hosting?

(01:08):
Oh they're making new ones again? Yeah hip hop. Yeah,
there's a rapper. I don't know they we're making a
new one. I'll look it up ahead. Joey Greco and
the guy before that, even who he was my favorite,
the original Cheaters host was my favorite on this day
of the investigation. Peter Gun Yeah. Oh is it because
VH one. It's always on VH one Cheaters. But if

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you look carefully at the old ones, there's a guy
whose job it is to hold up a big sign
that's a release And I think it's like, if you
see the side, then that means that you can be
on on camera. But I mean those are so fake.
But I don't think that, you know, the people like
the bystanders in the background of these places, I don't
think that's fake. So I think in order to not

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have to blur everybody out, they got this guy that
holds up like a big disclaimer side the background. Cheaters
is fake. Don't are like bad. Those are like bad
Dallas Fort Worth community actors like those people weren't like
community theater. You ever notice how no one ever punches anybody.
They're just they're just like they're just roughing each other.

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Cheaters host the hosted Joe Greco fake Wow. I wish
it were real because like both of the guys, but
Joey Greco especially like he's such an instigatory like he'd
be like, how does this make you feel? How does
this make you feel to do this as somebody else
when you when you hurt someone like this, Look how
much you hurt this? It just sits there and totally

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instigates a fight. But no, it's fake as hell. Wow,
they deserve an award. They definitely had twelve year okiki fools. Okay,
I was waiting to call cheaters on body. He gasses
them up in the van. He's just like, we're gonna
go see them, and you're gonna go like, yeah, exactly, yeah,
exactly exactly. Are sure it's fake? That's what I'm saying.
Paul and I don't know about away. There were a

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lot of tears, like a lot of real cheers. There's
deserve awards. Toxic tears. Yeah, but it's like I'm telling you,
it's bad communities. Oh my god, I can't kind of
thing like two dudes fighting, like the one guy's gonna
throw punches. I've never seen a punch thrown on that show.
They're just like they just shot each other. They're just
wrestling in the gun. That is true. They always end

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up in the ground. I pull some hair, right, let
me see here, it's fake, right, actors paid actors say yes,
But here's the thing. As a guy in the entertainment world,
I'm just gonna say this, Is it entertaining? Is it
is it relatable? Is it funny? I hope I have.
I watched like six straight hours of it before then,

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so be it? You know what I mean? Like, it
doesn't it's funny. I don't think it's supposed to be funny,
but it is, like it's entertaining, so fine, yep, whatever.
Um yeah, they talked to Joey Greco about it. Um yeah. Anyway,
Tommy was the other guy's named Tommy something Tommy. That's

(03:56):
exactly right. Yeah, yeah, but it was. I don't know
if it still is. But it was filmed in Dallas,
not far from and a lot of the scenes that
used were not or like you know, bars and places
the hotel that use stuff was not far from where
I went to college. So now when I watch it,
I'm like, yore, yeah, I know that place, I've been there,
you know whatever. I am crushed. But I mean again,
like someone just when I typed in these cheaters fake

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and someone's like, hey, guys, hate to break it to you,
but reality TV is not real. It's like even the
shows that are real, there's there are people behind the
scenes that are generally that are that are guiding the content.
You know, they're going like producing, what do you think
about this? You should probably say this, and you know
you gotta gotta da anyway. Yeah, Like a lot of
those reality shows not scripted, but like they'll get a

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text be like hey you should talk about this and yeah,
or the writer will be like, hey, you know, I
don't I'm not supposed to say anything about this, like
I know the Bachelor does this, or it'll be like,
I'm not supposed to say anything, but that bitch over
there said that you're kind of a hoe and whatever,
Like I mean, I don't say anything because I'm not
you know, you know, and then of course they go
over there and can I borrow her for a minute?
You know? Oh god, messy. I used to want it.

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I used to really think I wanted to be on
the Bachelor. I used to really think I wanted to
be the Bachelor. But I've realized now it's like, and
I don't know why. Maybe I always knew him and
we all know it, but like, it's not about these
people are not. I mean, they may they may be
there for love. That may be their intention, but it
becomes very quickly their intention is not to lose. That's

(05:24):
what it becomes. Right and then because seriously, like and
I know, sometimes they announce ahead of time who the
guy or girl is going to be, and then people
will sign up to meet that person because they watch
the season with them on it. But then you know,
a lot of times these people will show upside unseen
that they just want to be on the Bachelor or
the Bachelorette, and then one of the odds that oh,
this person here, that's exactly who I've been looking for

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my whole life, Like, no, it's not. I do think
they really can fall in love, though I really believe that,
But I think they can think they're in love because
they're in this dream scenario. Well, it depends on your
definition of love like some people really feel that, you know.
I think the reason that most of these don't work
is because people get caught up in a moment and
then and it's all fun in games until you actually

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have to do it. And then you moved, you know, Ohio,
and right you moved, you moved to you know, you know,
Akron and live in an apartment complex and drive a
Kya and there's something there's something wrong with any of that,
but you but you arrived there in a private jet
and a helicopter, so like, you know, trust me. I
mean that I agree with There are a lot of
people I'd find attractive if you fly me around, you know,

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in a honey any private jet. I'm like, oh, you're
looking good to me right now. Fantasy Sweets, there's one
dude there. Come on, I mean, and you gotta try
before you buy. I mean, come on. Can't you imagine
the girls on the flavor flame shall remember that that
was fighting over flavor fla Remember Rocca Love. Did you
watch Michael here Sunday Nights? That guy, guy Bret, and

(07:01):
those girls were all about him. Yeah, oh my god.
I could see that though, because I think those girls
were actually just fans of the band, you know what
I mean, like his little bandana. Oh no, no, I
I just couldn't get a flavor of flame. But I
probably would have been a rock and love with bridges

(07:22):
Bridge because they made on the Surreal Life. They had
that bodyguard who I loved, and when they would do
like film and hot locations, the bodyguards suit with short
sleeping shorts. I used to watch That's where That's where
New York came from. Right was the flavor of right?
I love New York? Right, the Golden age? Speaking of
like those those like band mattresses, Uh, you know, rody girls. Whatever?

(07:45):
What band would I didn't never heard you never heard
of a band mattress? Oh yeah, I haven't a mattress.
You got racer chaser, you got jersey chaser, h whatever?

(08:06):
But what would the what would the group? It was
a band. It was an old band that in excess.
Maybe it reunited in the mid two thousands and they
tried to have a song and they had a lead singer.
They recruited a new lead singer. I think maybe it
was a contest and the lead singer was really good.
It wasn't Kiss Journey, was it Journey? Well journey found that, uh,

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the Filippino guy. No, it wasn't. I don't want to
be wrong about this, but all I remembers my first
radio job, speaking of like groupie girls, my first radio
job in Austin. I was a music director and I
was supposed to have dinner with the record company and
whoever this guy was. So, I guess was really talented
and he was the lead singer of it like an
old school band that they were like regurgitating or whatever,

(08:52):
like it was a well, it was in excess, in excess. Yeah,
the guy was young and good looking, the one anyway,
So I was supposed at dinner with him, and I
was I show up and dinner was like I was
seven o'clock. I show up at seven o'clock and it's
the guy from the record company and my boss we're
standing there and we're like, where's the dude, And he goes,

(09:12):
you're not going to believe this, but we got down
here five minutes ago, and in the five minutes that
we waited for you a group he approached him and
they're in the hotel room right now. Wow. And so
I don't want to be wrong about who it is,
and maybe that was who it was. That's who it was.
Day Fortune replaced the lead singer. He goes, I can't
even make this up. He goes, in the five minutes

(09:33):
that we waited for you, he met a girl and
they're in the room right now. That's all it took.
Oh wow, I mean because you hear him. Sorry, of course,
you know people would like groupies get with musicians and stuff,
but like we're talking about a four minute turnaround time.
And so I never met the guy because we had
dinner without him, because he was in that he with me.
I don't know he was. I guess not he but

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I mean that's crazy, Like he basically got out of
the elevator, saw a girl and then they went back up. Wow,
that's all it takes for some people. I guess. I
guess he's a good looking guy. I hope I'm right.
I'm not trying to like, do you fame anybody. I
hope I'm right about who it was. But let's just
say it was someone like that profile, and not that
there's anything wrong with hooking up with a groupie. But no,

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he's not at go don't repeat that. No, I wish.
I'm sure there's a whole list of them somewhere. What
would you call that? Like a nickname for a groupie?
For groupie, a nickname? Hold on, okay, here we go,

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nicknames for groupies. We got a whole list of them here.
Band aids as they say, almost famous. Not a groupie.
I'm a band aid. Oh wow, it's a great movie
groupie synonyms. Who wrote this article and hates Jersey Chaser
that term? Yeah, I don't like that term. Why not? Um?
Because I have some friends who I think have been

(10:58):
unfairly labeled that, and I feel like it puts women down.
I don't I'm not saying that's your intention, but I
don't like that term. Really. Yeah, I mean I guess yeah, right,
because maybe you're dating an athlete and you're well intentioned
and it's like a normal relationship and a normal courtship.
Or maybe you don't actually care, yeah that you know

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someone's famous, but yet because you're a good looking woman
with a successful athlete, then that must be because you
were after them for something. Right. My best friend that
I'm thinking of, like, she met two of them in
high school before they were anything, you know what I mean.
So they went to high school together and so I
feel like people unfairly label her that when like she
started one when he was nothing and the other one

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she met through that one. So it's kind of like,
I don't know, I just feel like sometimes it's anyway
because she usually a lacrossetitutes I couldn't anything. Oh, my goodness,
is not a lacrossitude that is very lacrosse. I knew

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there was a list somewhere, I just can't find it.
Now there's a list for everything. These are so weird
I can't even say anything lacrosse did Oh you got
you got puck Bunnies ny And in Charlotte, the racer
chaser thing was real. That was I hadn't heard of

(12:25):
that until you told me about people are into Oh
that was very very real. That was very very real
because a lot of those guys are young and then
all of a sudden they have a ton of money. Yep, yeah,
but then aren't you just chasing the money? Are you
like love the sport? I don't. Oh no, I don't
think so. No. I think I mean that's well in
the South a lot of places, but really in the South,
NASCAR is legitimate. Yeah, it's like you're famous if you're

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a NASCAR driver and yeah, no and so and Leo.
Some of them are good looking. A lot of them
are not. Um none of them. Very few and I'm
not trying to be an asshole, but very few of
them are very sophisticated. They didn't come from you know what,
but they have a lot of money, so they live
like rich, guts sophisticated people, but really down Like I
heard a story about Dale Junior. I don't know if

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it's true, but he used to live I think it's
true because it was a reliable source. He used to
live in the largest prefabricated home in North Carolina prefabricating.
It was built in a factory on a lake. I
guess it was like a factory built home. Anyway. I
guess a girl went to his house. It was a
Chevy guy. I think he was a Chevy guy. So

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that would have been a yeah, yeah, a that would
have been a Corvette. So he drove a Corvette. I
guess this girl and this girl and he, like mat
at the bar or whatever, he was driving a Corvette.
They drive the Corvette basically cross his lawn, like up
to the front door of his prefabricated home. The top down,
they get out, they go do their deal. The next morning,

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it had rained so that the corvette is full of water,
and he looks at it and he was like, gets
on the phone, calls somebody. They come and swap it
out with another a corvette, like just full of water?
What the hell? Down? I know, does he care? He's
a nice guy. Actually, I've met him a few times. Yeah, wow, Chaser, Yeah,

(14:12):
he's a nice guy. Dude. The guy shows up. I
was there one day at his at his shop and
it was like very very important sponsors there that day,
like Bud or somebody important people. This dude shows a
fifteen minutes late in a dirty white Hayne shirt ranger
jeans with his dog and just kind of stumbles in like, hey,
how you doing. Couldn't give a shit. He did not care.
You know, it's like whatever. Um, I mean, imagine if

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we did something like that, you know, one of our
big sponsors, we showed fifteen minutes late with the dog
in a dirty outfit with a beer in man or something,
it would be like, oh, the beer might have gone
over well, I guess with the people, but but I
don't know. He was That's one thing I'll give him
he was He was who he was, and he wasn't
necessarily interested. And look at him. You know, he's not

(14:56):
really out there chasing fame. I mean you know, I
mean he's not doing I think he's a commentator, but
it's not like he's uh. And I think he retired
pretty young because he was worried about getting killed in
the car, like, well that's how his dad died. Yeah,
oh yeah, Tona. No, he was an authentive guy. I'll
give him that. Yeah, Jeff Gordon, I think my cousin
used to be. Yeah, make us have like the rainbow

(15:19):
the Rainbow War. Remember he would have like every birthday,
was a Jeff Gordon little guy. Another guy lived in Charlotte. Yeah, tiny,
and they all did. But Tony of the commentator, Now,
for he was a nice guy, the only guy. And
he was a nice guy. Who's the other guy that
was a nice guy. Jimmy Johnson was a nice guy.
The Dick was Tony Stewart was the dick. Tony Stewart
was Dick and and the one of the brothers. Uh,

(15:42):
the real dick. Uh. He considers himself a bad boy.
He's a drove the Eminem cry, you know exactly, that's
the guy. Oh what's his name? Like there their brothers? Yeah,
I have to look it up. Whold on. I interviewed
him one time, only once, and that was my friend.
There was a whole line of people waiting the interview him,
like it was like, I don't know Speed Network and
whatever it was, They're all waiting and lighting interview. And

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I was doing a TV show at the time, and
I walk up to him and that was I don't
know anything about Bush. I go, hey, dude, I go,
can we just settle this once and for all? I go,
why does everybody think that you're an asshole? Oh? Wow?
And he looked at me and he was like, that's
your question and I'm like no, but really, like are you?
Are you not? Like I'm just as a lay person,
and he got so pissed, stormed off, NBC got stiffed,

(16:26):
Speed Network got everyone got stiffed on an interview. He
slams the doors, storms away. I almost got fired from
my job, and I'm like it was a legitimate question. Yeah,
like that was my It's a true story. Everybody I
got called in the meetings on that. It was like, dude,
really I'm like, that's it a legitimate question. If the

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guy had any sense of humor, he would have said,
I'm actually not a dick, ye, but he was actually
an asshole. And then the funny thing is he was
an asshole in his response. Well, you got to warm
him up first before you ask why does everybody? But
I had a big smile on my face. It was
not like I wasn't like, you know, this isn't a
hard hitting journalism. I'm not Bob Costas over here, like

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you know, no, I'm like, dude, i gotta understand, Like
I'm not a big nask. I mean, I remember exactly.
I was at the Charlotte Motor Speedway. I was in
the media. There was a hallway. I was first in line.
There's like, like you you probably watched NASCAR before. There
are reporters behind me who you've seen waiting for their interviews.
And I'm like, hey, dude, like, I'm just I'm just
a guy, like I watched this stuff. Sometimes I'm just curious,

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why does everybody think you're an asshole? I'll never forget.
He goes, that's your question, and I'm like, yeah, maybe
he didn't know that everybody thought it was an asshole. No, no, no,
he his media he knew his media person was so
mad at mean, he looked at me, but he goes
thanks a lot, dude. His media person said that to me.

(17:53):
I'm like, because he stormed off, he wouldn't do any
more interviews. I'm like, dude, he's being a point exactly.
And then they made us, um they made us. It
raised the tape in front of them. What they made it.
They're like, we need the media people were like that
that can't air. I'm like, wait a minute, why can't
that air? Right? If my question was that illegitimate? And
why can't that air? Because he looks like, yeah, I'm

(18:19):
you know, I go sometimes I've gone for it with
the interviews. You know what I'm saying, like, oh yeah, yeah, Honestly,
there's a Duelipa story. But can you think of an
interview where I said something in approach, like truly inappropriate.
I don't. I don't think I ever did. Even the
dua Lipa thing was totally misunderstood. Yeah, but I can't
think of a time when I actually said something rude.
I just don't want to ask you what your inspiration

(18:41):
was from the fucking song for on your album. The
funny thing about the Dua Lipa story is that you
asked her about her dancing, right yeah, and how now
she incorporates that horrible dancing in her show, like so,
like you were the inspiration to be like, you know what,
he made fun of me for this dancing, and now

(19:01):
I use it in my show because it's the callback.
I'm like, Fred, you need apology. Get you need an
apology from Dualipa. You haven't heard this, and I guess
everybody he was there for that if you haven't heard
the story. I showed Duaalipa in an interview at jingle
Ball a tweet that she responded to people making fun
of her dancing, and I was complimenting her for the clapback.

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I'm like, I dig this. I'm like, I dig the
fact that you clap back at these people like you
were on top of the world as a performer right
now and you don't care. And she looked at me
and her eyes well up like she's gonna cry. I
only got yes or no answers from that point on,
and it was a whole thing. We had to erase
all the footage. I never saw it because by the
time answer, they were like, yeah, no, it couldn't be posted.

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The record company went all the way to the time apparently,
ay bitch to everybody about how it appropriate. I was
the whole thing, and but there was no footage to
prove it. It's nothing ever happened to me because there
were people who actually saw what happened. But there were
a few drama queens that made a big deal out
of it because they don't like me. But it's like
it was a fair question. And the way that it

(20:09):
got back to management, like to our management was Fred
called her a shitty dancer. Yeah, and I didn't. I
literally showed her a tweet that she rode and all
I wanted her to What I was getting at was like, yeah,
fuck those people. I wanted her to be like I
don't care. Yeah, I'd do my thing and I'm you know.
That's what I was going for, was like, how do
you deal with a criticism like you clearly clap right back,

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Like a lot of people would avoid this stuff, a
lot of people would not respond, a lot of people
would whatever. That's all I was going for, and so
I made do a leap of cry. I hate when
that happens because you don't have you know, I'm so
not sensitive, so I think everyone else is not sensitive.
But sometimes he would just have a bad day, no doubt.
I don't fault her. I caught her on I mean

(20:51):
that was probably night number twenty seven. I do interviews
with a bunch of random, hokey DJs, which is all.
That's My whole thing is like, if we're going to
do interviews on this show, or if I'm going to
do an interview, I just at least want to be
able to have a conversation where we chat about something
that is not on the approved list, Like it's I
just nobody cares, like you know what I mean? And

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plus all this information is available online. If you're a
fan of so and so artist, then you already know
their dog's name and what they like to eat for breakfast.
Nobody cares. You know. It's like chance to rapper yesterday,
Like there were no I give him credit, he had
all his people here, but there were no rules. There
was no you can't talk about any of this. Yeah, um,
he sits down. We have a thirty minute conversation, you know,

(21:36):
and it was a good interview, and we had a
good time, and those are the kind of interviews I
want to do. You know, I love the way you
started that one with saw lawyer's idea. I was like, oh,
it was like the will and a state lawyer. You know,
it wasn't It wasn't like the you know, pound me
and they asked person lawyer. Yeah. No. It was like

(21:58):
I was like signing my will or something and he
was down the hall doing something for his nonprofit or whatever.
Like it was not silicious at all, but they were like, hey,
don't don't look at like, you know, this is a
lawyer office and we're not, you know, publicizing that he's here.
I'm like, what's what you want me to do? It
go on the rate of tomorrow and be like I mean,
I mean we saw each other, we waved and like
winning in our individual conference rooms and signed paper. I

(22:21):
think he was there to give a bunch of money
to chaar it against Like if I were doing that,
I would want people to know I am not going
to sign a thing for a million dollars for you know, hunger.
I am not going in there fred to do that
to be charitable right now, But I don't know, have
you ever had an interview go wrong. Any of you

(22:43):
ever had an interview? I feel like Rufio you would
have what's gonna call it? I still to Sean Kingston,
Oh wow, why did you ask him about this sun?
He came four. We had the little the little lounge,
the small one upstairs on twenty eight a while ago. Yeah,
he came in. He was just like very didn't want

(23:04):
to answer questions, Like I'm trying to ask him questions
in front of listeners and he was performing. He did.
He was like beginning, you know, like beautiful girl. You
know he's he's he's uh, he's teamed up with beabs
and all this stuff. Trying to ask him questions, he
was just very non responsive. Didn't really feel it right
right then he gets it. He almost dies in that
wave Runner accident. Oh right, yeah, almost dies and he

(23:27):
comes back. You think he's like a humble person. Now
I interview him again in front of another group of people,
he's the same way as it was, like, dude, what
is wrong with you? Like you can't even be a
nice person, Like you almost die? Bro, you can't even
be a nice person? An answer simple questions. They weren't
hard hitting questions. Right, I'm asking you about your music.

(23:49):
The listeners want to know things. And he was just
like the same way, like he didn't want to did
he see you? And like oh you again? No, he
just didn't want to do Like I felt like he
was over radio rights. Where you're at now nowhere? Who
are something? Here's the thing, Like that's funny. We all
respect the relationship between radio and the artists, but we

(24:10):
have a job to do and they have a job
to do. Our listeners have an expectation, you know, And
I'm not Oprah, I'm not Howard Stern. I get that.
You know, the backstage of jingle ball is not the
time to get into your like you know, difficult childhood
or whatever. Like I understand, there's a time and a place,
but at the same time, you know, there is an
expectation that we're going to do. You know, the reason

(24:30):
that you would want to listen to a a Rufio
or a Fred or a Kalon or a Kiki or
a Pauline an interview with an artist is because you
like us and them and you want to hear that interaction.
So if I'm asking softball questions or if I'm not
getting to the thing that people really want to know about.
Or I don't give you something that you don't know already,
then then what's there's no point in even doing it?

(24:52):
And I don't know that, you know, the pr people
care that we also have an expectation, you know, to uphold,
because if we don't ask you that question, that that
that the audience doesn't know that we aren't allowed to ask,
then they think we're just connected. We didn't do our homework,
that we weren't prepared, and so that's facts. So I
don't know, you know, I I've just accepted the backstage

(25:14):
jingle ball interviews art. How you doing? What's your favorite
ice cream flavor? You know what you're doing? Are you
so excited for today's performing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, honestly honestly,
like I'm not getting a bite whatever, don't please don't cry.
It's like, are you okay? Yeah? I mean yeah? Interesting? Anyway,

(25:37):
all right, there's the tangent? Did you first tangent? Had
you like that? I mean, I survived, I didn't cry
even this wasn't even oh no, forming you all? Do
you want to talk about that? Cheaters is not real? Yeah?
Like you crush my childhood, but I guess you know. Sorry,
bad news