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Speaker 1 (00:00):
How frustrated will Michigan fans be this year? We'll soon
find out. Anthony Broom has got a really good beat
on what's going on with Michigan football. He writes about
the Wolverines on on three Sports and the Wolverine on three.
He's been a guest with our program before. You can
follo him on Twitter at Anthony T. Broom with an
E and he joins us here on this tully More Tuesday. Anthony,
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good to talk to you. I know you're on your
way to ann Arbor, no doubt for another round of practices.
What's been your takeaway so far for the Wolverines this summer.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well, good morning, Cheff, thanks for having me. I think
the takeaway so far is that they have turned a
page from last season. As good as the end of
the year was. I think that there are a couple
of things they wanted to hit on. They wanted to
improve their physicality. They wanted to get a little stronger
in the weight room, and a lot of those guys
have changed their bodies throughout the offseason and it showed
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in the roster that they put out.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So they just.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Got in pads over the weekend. There's not a whole
lot gleaned from a Yet, you know, maybe this week
you start to see a little bit of separation or
a little bit of these position battles taking a little
your shape. But so far, it's it feels a lot
more like all boats are sailing in the same direction
than this time last year.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Anthony Broom from Michigan Football writer on On three Sports
and the Wolverine on three, joining us on the Lindsay
Hunter Foundation guest line. How do you think Sharon Moore
has grown? What do you think the lessons he's learned
have been most valuable?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think he's gotten a lot better over the last year.
So being a CEO, you know, and you know you've
got coordinators now where you can give your defense to
Le Marndale and trust that you're good there. You can
give your offense over to Chip Lindsay and know that
you're good there. You know, from from a recruiting perspective,
they've got everything lined up there. Nil is probably as
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good as it's been at Michigan, and you know, really down,
I think when you start five and five, then you
have a bye week, and then you have this three
game win streak at the end of the year that
you drop fifty points on Northwestern and then you beat
Ohio State and Alabama as a three touchdown underdog. I
think that that shows that he was able to keep
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them together in a pretty furrenetic time. And you know,
he goes into the off season with proof of concept
where if you guys stick together and then we'll play together,
play as a team, and everyone's bought in, they can
do some special things. So I think that's the biggest thing.
It was a lot of new last year, a lot
of you know, balancing, a lot of a lot of
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plates and all those sort of things. But I think
he's in a much better spot to lead this program
heading into this year and beyond.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, it's a really good point. But a CEO also
has to make really good hires. And one of the
big hires was Chip Lindsay. Before it was Wink Martindale.
So able to keep Wink Martindale to a certain extent,
but bringing in Chip Lindsay, what does he add, Well, we.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Had a long track record of developing explosive offense, creative offense.
You know, he's worked for Todd Munkin, He's worked with
Gus Melton, and you know, they've done in a lot
of different ways. You just look at the last two
years at North Carolina. You know you have Drake May
two years ago, who obviously your offense is going to
be pass happy and you're going to build it around
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that guy. He winds up being the number three pick
in the draft. In the last year, quarterback situation not
as not as settled, but you have a running back
in amar and Hampton who winds up being a first
round pick, and he's the engine that makes your offense go.
So he's got experience doing it in a lot of
different ways. You know, they're going to take shots down
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the field, They're gonna, you know, exploit the screen game
a little bit more. They're gonna get the backs involved
in the passing game. So I do think at their
core there's still going to be what a Michigan offense
has been, but with a couple more of those wrinkles.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
My guess is and Anthony Broome joining us here on
the Lindsay Hunter Foundation and guest line, I guess is
every party you go to, every lunch meeting you have,
people are asking you how do the quarterbacks look? Since
they feel like that's been you know, part of the
problem over the years that they've won despite at least
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last year, despite the quarterback. How would you categorize the
quarterbacks as of right now?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I mean, obviously just by virtue of Bryce Underwood being there,
I think in a much much healthier spot than last year.
You know, we don't know what he'll be as it's
your freshman and you know there's chance he doesn't win
the job, though I think that's a lot more coach
speak and you know, making him earn it so to
speak as well. But you know, they went they added him,
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you know, kind of a historic push for him. You
go on the transfer portal, you get a guy and
Mikey Keane from Fresno State who he's played over two
thousand career snaps. He's got over I believe, eight thousand
career yards passing sixty five touchdowns. Jake Garcia is another
guy that they had who has started some games at
the college level. So it just feels like, at the
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very least, the floor is much much higher, like they
will be able to find ways to complete the forward
pass and have that as part of its offense this
year compared to last year, where it's kind of remarkable
that they did what they did without one aspect of
the game being up the snuff at all. So it's
they're in a better spot. You know, Underwood I think
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is I think he's special. I think he's a guy
that is going to give you some good play, you know,
right as a true freshman. But it's going to take
some time too. I mean, when you make the investment
they did in him, that's a three to four year investment,
and they're going to peel back the layers of that.
But I think by virtue of just having him there,
they're much improved than they were a year ago.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Well it used to be a three to four year
and you know, kind of ves that's not necessarily the
way it is in college football any longer. So do
you think there is added pressure for them to start
a guy like Underwood instead of giving it to a
guy who has the reputation and the numbers that Keene has.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, I don't know if it's pressure if he's just
the best guy either, you know, for as good of
a job as I think they did it. As I said,
raising the floor of that room, you know, Mikey Keene
is coming from Fresno State, Jake Garca is coming from
East Carolina. Jaden Davis couldn't get on the field last
year when their quarterback played was as bad as it was,
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and Davis Warren, their starter from last year, is injured.
So I don't know if there's pressure there. If he
is the best guy now, that's where the task is
a little tougher for a guy like Chip Lindsay, or
maybe it's not because you get to come in and
implement your offense kind of you're building it from the
ground up around this guy. So you know, I think
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it will be a little more meat potatoes. I don't
know that we're going to see a ton of crazy wrinkles,
but they'll put on his play whatever he can handle him.
You know, from what we've heard about the guy and
then what he said, I think he's he's caught for
a bit of a different cloth where I think he
can handle some of that. But again it is still
he'll still be a freshman from an infrastructure standpoint. You know,
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a lot of people like to compare him to Trevor Lawrence,
but Trevor Lawrence stepped under a roster that had, you know,
was National championship ready. You had good offense line, he
had good wide receivers. Michigan's not there yet, so they're
they're trying to find that. But I think he's clearly
going to be the best guy.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
It's interesting. I mean, King does have thirty five starts.
I mean, that's that's an important statistic. Whether it be
at Fresno State or UCF. He's got four years. He
knows how to handle that type of you know, in
game fire. That is different at the collegiate level than
it is at the high school level. I do wonder
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I'm not saying from you, Anthony, but I do wonder
how we look at Bryce Underwood. We've seen him four
years at Belleville. We've seen what he does in getting
his team to state championships and state championship wins. And
if we're a little skewed because he's a hometown guy
and we saw him in high school when oftentimes those
things don't always translate to the next.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Level, we could I would also say I think I
think I placed a bit of a premium too on
did you win in high school? And he won a
lot and he started as a true freshman. You know,
with a lot of these guys, they don't complete a
high percentage of their throws in high school. But underwood
was a guy who was extremely accurate and had kind
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of an advanced knowledge of where to put the ball,
you know, how to make plays, and you know, it's
a good point on Keen. My concern with him is that,
you know, he missed all of spring football and really
is still kind of acclimating now in terms of ramping
up his throwing. So you have to wonder, I mean,
we're less than a month out from the season. Yeah,
I think he's a guy who is the biggest threat
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to Underwook for the job. Absolutely, but is he going
to be healthy enough and does he have enough time?
It's possible. I mean JJ McCarthy had a similar situation
a few years ago where he had an offseason injury,
it really didn't come on to the last week or
two of camp and then eventually takes the job from
Kate MCNAMARASO, it is possible, and I do think it's
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it's Yeah, we could be a bit skewed because we've
seen underwooden in our own backyard for the last couple
of years, but you just get the sense he's he's
just built a little bit differently in it. That's a
bit of a cliche now, but I just think physically
he looks the part, just from an advanced knowledge of
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how to play the position relative to his age. I
think that given that everyone on offense is going to
be growing this year, I just think it makes total
sense that he would be the guy from the job.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
He has such good insight from Anthony Broome, who is
the Michigan football writer and on three Sports and the
Wolverine on three fallm on Twitter at Anthony T. Broom.
When you say about the offense and you know they're
going to have to learn together and there's there's a
need to underline saying they need to be patient with them.
That leads me to believe that the defense will have
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to carry this team much like it did a year ago.
What's the defense look like right now, do you think?
And how confident are you that they can pick up
where defenses have left off in the past under Wink
Martindale and those before him.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, something clicked with them late last year and it
was a good defense early on that there was a
lot of pressure on them because the offense didn't do
anything right. They had to be perfect, and they weren't
and it cost them a couple of games. But down
the stretch, the way they played, you know, a lot
of the guys are going to see on the field
this year. Of the same guys who went up against
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Alabama and the Bowl game against the team that played
all of its guys Jaylen Milroe played and all their
draft guys played, they wanted to put stuff on tape
in Michigan. Those guys embarrass them. And I think that,
you know, it's really tough to replace. You had three
first round talents and two first round picks on your defense.
They were pretty top heavy. I think there's the depth
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is spread a lot more through each position group this year.
I think they do have quite a few NFL guys,
and I think it's going to give them a chance
to I mean, I'm not saying they're going to win
every game, but they have a defense that can go
toe to toe with everyone on their schedule. So so
much of this year comes down to not even can
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the offense get to X level, there's the special team's
perform to X level, the defense performed at X level.
It's how is that all you know? You hear coaches
all the time talking about complimentary football and how it
affects the other unit. And I think defensively, they are
built to be as good, if not better than last year.
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They will be better than last year. Are they going
to be as good as those teams that those College
Football playoff teams that Michigan had a few years ago.
I'm not sure about that yet, but you know when
you play a game. They're going to go down to
Oklahoma in Week two and I think that defense is
going to give them more than a puncher's chance to
steal that game down there. So they have to be
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because I do think early on, because the offense is
so young, because you could be starting a guy who
just turned eighteen at quarterbacks, there's a lot on their shoulders.
But you get the sense that they're up to the
task there too.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I think there's six Big Ten teams ranked in the
preseason top twenty five. It doesn't mean squad to me.
I hate the preseason rankings, but it's something we deal with,
and of course I say I hate it, and yet
I'm already talking about it. How do you value the
conference and how do you handicap the conference?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
This year?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Strong medium week based on what you've seen in the past.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think you've got three teams at
the top in whatever order you want to put them
in Penn State, Ohio State, and Oregon, where if things
clicked for them, they're national title good. But then when
you look through maybe the four through nine or four
through ten range in this conference, and because you have
unbalanced and editals, now everyone wants to know who's this
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year's Indiana, Who's going to be the team that kind
of surprises and makes the playoffs. There's you could make
a case for almost every team in that four to
eight or to nine range, and Michigan's one of those
teams that things could clip and they could find their
way into the playoffs. So I think the depth, and
it's weird to stay four through eight is in the
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middle of the conference anymore. It's the top half given
that the conference has expanded. But I think that you know,
the Big ten could certainly. I think they'll have two
playoff teams for sure. I think they have a pretty
good chance at three, and I wouldn't be surprised if
a fourth one snuck through there. I just I think
that there's a lot of quality programs kind of wait
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in the lead. So you're you know, Lincoln Riley at USC.
I think Nebraska could be ready to take a step. Illinois.
I think it's number twelve in the Coaches spol that
came out. I think Washington's a team that could kind
of rise up and surprise the people. So I think
the depth, you know, in that top half of the
Big ten is really strong, and I think it's gonna
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make for a really, really kind of compelling seasons. A
lot of these, you know, not a lot of these
teams play each other, so it's going to be fun
to watch.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's great stuff. Man, you do a wonderful job. We
appreciate your insight and all the thoughts. It makes us
think a little bit more. Anthony Broom, thanks for the time.
Today's safe travels. Have a great season. Okay, we hope
to talk down the road, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Thank you. Chev