May 6, 2025 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Austin Meek is on x You can follow him there
if you want to, and you should because if you're
looking for information on college football and specifically University of Michigan,
Austin Meek is your guy. He writes for The Athletic.
His Twitter handle is by Austin Meek, and he's with
us here regarding the Sharon Moore news. Austin, good morning too,
you hope you're well. Good article yesterday, really good article.
(00:23):
Just fill us in on how this came about. Sharon
Moore with an expected two game suspension self imposed. How
did this come about?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, So Michigan and the NCAA have been very slowly
working towards the resolution on this investigation that's been going
on since twenty twenty three, the Connor Stallion's Science Dealing
Impermissible scouting investigation. So there's a lot of layers to
this investigation, and one of the layers is the fact
(00:53):
that Sharon Moore apparently deleted some text messages that he
had exchanged with Connor ste Allions shortly after news broke
of the investigation. And Sharon Moore hasn't hasn't really disputed that.
I think he acknowledges he made a mistake by doing that.
So there was going to be some sort of punishment
(01:14):
for Sharon Moore for that piece of it, and it
was just going to come down to how that was determined.
And it appears that Michigan is trying to get out
in front of it a little bit and imposing this
two game suspension I think gives Michigan some clarity in
terms of when Sharon Moore will be available next season
(01:36):
and when he won't. And it also allows Michigan to
go to the NC double A and say, look, he
made a mistake. He acknowledges that, we acknowledge it, and
we're gonna we're going to deal with it and impose
this punishment, and perhaps the NC double A then we'll say, okay,
that's sufficient at least to deal with Shron Moore's piece
of it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
There's a chance toancy double A doesn't see it that way, true, right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's always possible, and it's it's certainly possible, and I
think quite likely that the ncuble A will look at
the overall picture and say, okay, you know this, this
satisfies shir and Moore's part of it. You know what
he did to delete these text messages, but you still
have the underlying facts of the case about what Connor
(02:24):
Stallions did uh and the impermissible scouting and and certainly
I think the NCUBLEA will want to want to try
to levy harsher penalties related to that on Michigan as
a program.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And in terms of what those would be, I don't
I don't think we know, but yeah, there's there's lots
of possibilities in terms of what what the NCUBLEA could
push for in addition to what Michigan appears to be
self imposing here.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What's the precedent, Austin, if the NCAA chooses to do
more than the self imposed two game suspension? Is there
a precedent that is been said? And what could it
possibly look like? I know we don't know that right now,
but I know your background and your investigative work, and
you're not going into these things unprepared any idea of
(03:13):
what it might look like if the NCAA says two
games ain't enough.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know, there's actually not a great precedent for this one,
just because I'm not aware of another case of a
violation of the impermissible scouting rule like this one. It's
really kind of a one of a kind situation, But
certainly there have been other cases involving NCAA investigations into
(03:41):
a program. The Tennessee investigation a few years ago, I
think I think we can look at that as an
example of how the NCAA handle a situation like that.
Tennessee was very different. It was it was recruiting violations
that happened under Jeremy Pruitt that were really why ranging.
(04:01):
But the resolution in the Tennessee case ended up being
a hefty fine. It ended up being a loss of scholarships,
I believe, and recruiting sanctions, but it was not a
It was not a bowl band for Tennessee. And at
the time that case, the analysis of it was the
(04:22):
NCBLA is really trying to move away from penalties that
that penalized players who had no part in any any violations.
And I think that there may be a similar logic
with with Michigan, that something like a bowl band would
would really penalize players on Michigan's roster who had absolutely
nothing to do with anything that happened with Connor Stallion.
(04:44):
So the NCBA may may try to avoid that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's a really good point. I mean, you're punishing, you're
possibly punishing kids who had nothing to do with this
entire incident. But people want, you know, a little bit
of flesh in this regard, and maybe they feel like
this is the way to go about it. Austin Meek
from the Athletic joining us here on exis and BROSI
can fam on Twitter by Austin Meek. How unique is it,
(05:10):
Austin that even in a self imposed punishment, that the
school or program is allowed to pick the two games
in which their coach will not participate in.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that's unique. Again, I'm not aware of a precedent
for that, and it certainly when that came out yesterday,
it certainly raised my eyebrows that the suspension for Sharon
More that's being proposed was week three and week four,
not week one and week two. And we can connect
(05:46):
the dots there and say, well, week two, Michigan plays
at Oklahoma, Sharon Moore played at Oklahoma. Going back there
as the head coach of Michigan, I'm sure will be
very meaningful to him, very meaningful to the program, Probably
very meaningful from a television aspect, and lots of other things.
(06:07):
That Michigan Oklahoma game is a very important game, not
that Michigan Nebraska is not an important game in Week
four going into the Big Ten opener with as your
head coach. That's also not not an easy situation for Michigan.
But yeah, I think it is a bit unique that
Michigan essentially seems to be saying, Look, we are willing
(06:29):
to suspend your own More, but we want to we
want to do it on our terms a little bit.
We want to have some say in which two games
he misses.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Why should why should it matter the Oklahoma connection with
Sharon More? Why should that even factor in?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like? If if you really wanted to show the NC
DOUBLEA that you're serious about punishing for these types of actions,
shouldn't you suspend him for the first two games of
the Big Ten season? I mean, you and I both
can agree that that's not going to cut you out of,
you know, the football playoffs, not in today's day and age.
It may have ten years ago, but not today. If
(07:10):
you really wanted to be serious, why would you pick
Central Michigan in Nebraska?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah? You know, I think I think what Michigan might
tell you is that look, to miss two games, including
a conference game, for what Sharon Moore is accused of doing,
is is is a you know, it's a fairly steep punishment.
I think Michigan would make that argument. And you know,
lots of people can look at this situation and say, well,
(07:38):
you know, two games, especially for a coach who has
been previously suspended, we should note for a different NCAA investigation.
You know, whether two games is really a stiff punishment
for Sharon Moore or not, I think is something that
we can debate. But I think what Michigan would say
is two games, you know that that's, know what a
(08:01):
pretty good chunk of your season. You know, for Sharian
Moore to miss two games is a fairly substantial punishment.
And yeah, okay, we're trying to massage it a little
bit so that you know, the punishment falls not in
week one and week two, but it's still it's a
fairly significant punishment, you know, for a coach who, as
(08:23):
far as we know, you know, there's no allegation that
Sharon Moore was actually guilty of anything. With the substance
of the actual allegations about the scouting and the science
feeling right. It's with Sharian Moore. It's all about what
he did after the fact, and I think everybody acknowledges
what he did after the fact was a mistake. But
(08:44):
I think Michigan would say, look for what he actually
is accused of doing, to miss two games out of
his season is a pretty a pretty strong punishment, and
you know, in exchange for that, maybe we should be
able to have some say in terms of which game
he missed.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I get that reportedly deleted a string of fifty two
text messages as soon as Stallions was, you know, caught
for the signal stealing allegations, and how that blew up.
Does the punishment fit the crime in your mind?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, I think that. I think that missing two games,
if that is the extent of it, if that's all
that Shoan Moore did. You know, he panicked in the
moment and he deleted some text messages. If it turns
out that that's really all he did, I think two
games is a fairly steep punishment, but an appropriate punishment
given that, as I mentioned, he had been suspended before.
(09:46):
I think if he was the first time offender, maybe
you get a slap on the wrist. And a reminder
that you preserve all of the records that could be
used in an NAA investigation. But the fact that he's
through this before, you know, he should know that was
clearly a mistake. So I think two games is appropriate
(10:08):
for that, But we'll see if the NBA agrees with that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
How do you think this sits with other Big Ten coaches?
And I'm talking about rivalries here, Ohio State, Michigan State,
Penn State, I'm talking about overall, how do you think
this sits with college football coaches? Just based on your
interaction with them in general?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, there were a lot of coaches in the Big
Ten who were angry about the Connor stallions allegations. Coaches
who even prior to the investigation becoming public, had had
expressed anger at Michigan in a way Michigan did business look.
(10:52):
Part of it is the fact that when you're on top,
everybody's looking up and you know, take taking shots. And
part of that also is, you know, Michigan has done
things to bring that on itself. You know, the the
investigation that happened, the first NCAA investigation, the second NCBLEA investigation.
(11:15):
You know, teams, other teams and the Big Ten have
I think legitimate reasons to not like the way Michigan
has has done business in some ways. You know, sometimes
those those schools and those coaches have to kind of
look in the mirror and see if they had their
own house in order, because I'm sure Michigan is not
the only program that's had stuff going on internally, but
(11:38):
I do think a lot of a lot of programs
around the Big Ten, around the country. We're rooting for
the n Cuba to punish Michigan, to make an example
out of Michigan because they felt like this did give
Michigan an unfair competitive advantage.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Austin Meek from the Athletic Joiner and is here on
Exigen Bros. You can fall on Twitter by Austin Meek.
When you look at this situation that Michigan is dealing
with and knowing that Jim Harbaugh had to do deal
with the same situation or a similar situation anyway, how
do you think it, How do you think it brands them?
(12:14):
What's the reputation now for Michigan if that matters at all.
Some coaches are like whatever, and people are going to
think what they want to think. We're just going to
go about our business. I get how they will insulate
themselves internally and take us against them attitude, but I'm
talking about as a whole nationally. How are they viewed
(12:35):
in your mind?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know, if you're not a Michigan fan and you're
looking at this from the outside, I think the perception
you get of Michigan is a program that did break
the rules, even if it was sort of the you know,
the spirit of the law type of thing, break the
(13:00):
rules and then kind of made itself into a martyr,
you know, trying to say that they had been unjustly
investigated and punished when it looks like, based on the fact,
based on the facts, that Michigan did break some rules.
So I think from the outside looking in, the perception
(13:23):
is probably that Michigan has not really wanted to take
accountability for some of the things that happened there, even
if the things that happened there are in terms of
the spectrum of bad things that can happen in a program,
the Connor Stallion's allegations certainly not the worst thing that
can happen, not the worst thing that's happened to Michigan,
(13:44):
by the way, but still It does seem like rules
were broken here, and Michigan has been pretty slow to
really take accountability for that, although they have in some ways,
and I think the outside is that, you know, Michigan
has Michigan has martyred itself a little bit in this
(14:07):
situation with with NCAA and has not really wanted to
own up to what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Would it have helped it all or how much would
it have helped had Michigan gotten out in front of
this and said, look, we understand what happened here. Connor
Stallions was on somebody's sideline. Connor Stallions did some things
that were inappropriate. Granted, other schools have Ohio State has
done something similar to you know in the past, Florida
has crossed the line. Other schools, we can bring up
(14:35):
plenty of them. That's not even the point, though. The
point is this is about the here and now, and
this is about the University of Michigan. How much would
it have helped, if at all, had they gotten out
in front of this instead of you know, deleting the
messages and doing some things that made them look unscrupulous.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, you know, having been around Michigan produced a little
while you know that what you're saying makes total sense
to me. I don't think Michigan thinks that way, you know.
I haven't seen Michigan act that way really in any
situation where you have a potential problem on your hands
and so you want to get out in front of
(15:12):
it and really take ownership. But I just I haven't
seen that that from Michigan as an institution. And I'm
sure there's a lot of reasons for that. Michigan is
not the only university that thinks that way, you know.
But I will say that we have seen schools really
(15:32):
go out of their way to cooperate with the n
C double A, not fight the n C double A.
And the track record of that, you know, I think
schools legitimately wonder what do we really get out of
playing ball with the n C double A. Is it?
Is it really going to help us in the long
(15:52):
run to uh, you know, to cooperate with the n
C double A rather than fighting the n C double A.
Is is the way to get through these investigations? To
fight the NCUBLEA at every step. You know, Michigan has
fought this. They bought the Big ten with Jim Harbaugh suspension.
They've fought back with the NCBA. Now there's some Michigan
(16:13):
fans would tell you they should have fought more. You know,
there's some Michigan fans will tell you they never should
have dropped that legal challenge against the Big Ten when
Jim Harbaugh was suspended. So you know, it's I don't
think there's a playbook for a great way to navigate
these situations. No matter what you do, it's going to
(16:35):
be difficult. But certainly I think Michigan has made it
difficult on itself. Just the degree to which Michigan has
really dug in and fought this.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's well said, well written. To appreciate the time and
the knowledge. Keep up the great work. Austin, thanks a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
All right, thanks, Matt, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Austin Meek from The Athletic joining us here on X's
and Bros. Fascinating insight on what's going on. If you
want to read his article, make sure you subscribe to
The Athletic and you can follow him on Twitter. By
Austin me
Austin Meek is on x You can follow him there
if you want to, and you should because if you're
looking for information on college football and specifically University of Michigan,
Austin Meek is your guy. He writes for The Athletic.
His Twitter handle is by Austin Meek, and he's with
us here regarding the Sharon Moore news. Austin, good morning too,
you hope you're well. Good article yesterday, really good article.
(00:23):
Just fill us in on how this came about. Sharon
Moore with an expected two game suspension self imposed. How
did this come about?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, So Michigan and the NCAA have been very slowly
working towards the resolution on this investigation that's been going
on since twenty twenty three, the Connor Stallion's Science Dealing
Impermissible scouting investigation. So there's a lot of layers to
this investigation, and one of the layers is the fact
(00:53):
that Sharon Moore apparently deleted some text messages that he
had exchanged with Connor ste Allions shortly after news broke
of the investigation. And Sharon Moore hasn't hasn't really disputed that.
I think he acknowledges he made a mistake by doing that.
So there was going to be some sort of punishment
(01:14):
for Sharon Moore for that piece of it, and it
was just going to come down to how that was determined.
And it appears that Michigan is trying to get out
in front of it a little bit and imposing this
two game suspension I think gives Michigan some clarity in
terms of when Sharon Moore will be available next season
(01:36):
and when he won't. And it also allows Michigan to
go to the NC double A and say, look, he
made a mistake. He acknowledges that, we acknowledge it, and
we're gonna we're going to deal with it and impose
this punishment, and perhaps the NC double A then we'll say, okay,
that's sufficient at least to deal with Shron Moore's piece
of it.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
There's a chance toancy double A doesn't see it that way, true, right.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
That's always possible, and it's it's certainly possible, and I
think quite likely that the ncuble A will look at
the overall picture and say, okay, you know this, this
satisfies shir and Moore's part of it. You know what
he did to delete these text messages, but you still
have the underlying facts of the case about what Connor
(02:24):
Stallions did uh and the impermissible scouting and and certainly
I think the NCUBLEA will want to want to try
to levy harsher penalties related to that on Michigan as
a program.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And in terms of what those would be, I don't
I don't think we know, but yeah, there's there's lots
of possibilities in terms of what what the NCUBLEA could
push for in addition to what Michigan appears to be
self imposing here.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
What's the precedent, Austin, if the NCAA chooses to do
more than the self imposed two game suspension? Is there
a precedent that is been said? And what could it
possibly look like? I know we don't know that right now,
but I know your background and your investigative work, and
you're not going into these things unprepared any idea of
(03:13):
what it might look like if the NCAA says two
games ain't enough.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You know, there's actually not a great precedent for this one,
just because I'm not aware of another case of a
violation of the impermissible scouting rule like this one. It's
really kind of a one of a kind situation, But
certainly there have been other cases involving NCAA investigations into
(03:41):
a program. The Tennessee investigation a few years ago, I
think I think we can look at that as an
example of how the NCAA handle a situation like that.
Tennessee was very different. It was it was recruiting violations
that happened under Jeremy Pruitt that were really why ranging.
(04:01):
But the resolution in the Tennessee case ended up being
a hefty fine. It ended up being a loss of scholarships,
I believe, and recruiting sanctions, but it was not a
It was not a bowl band for Tennessee. And at
the time that case, the analysis of it was the
(04:22):
NCBLA is really trying to move away from penalties that
that penalized players who had no part in any any violations.
And I think that there may be a similar logic
with with Michigan, that something like a bowl band would
would really penalize players on Michigan's roster who had absolutely
nothing to do with anything that happened with Connor Stallion.
(04:44):
So the NCBA may may try to avoid that.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's a really good point. I mean, you're punishing, you're
possibly punishing kids who had nothing to do with this
entire incident. But people want, you know, a little bit
of flesh in this regard, and maybe they feel like
this is the way to go about it. Austin Meek
from the Athletic joining us here on exis and BROSI
can fam on Twitter by Austin Meek. How unique is it,
(05:10):
Austin that even in a self imposed punishment, that the
school or program is allowed to pick the two games
in which their coach will not participate in.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, that's unique. Again, I'm not aware of a precedent
for that, and it certainly when that came out yesterday,
it certainly raised my eyebrows that the suspension for Sharon
More that's being proposed was week three and week four,
not week one and week two. And we can connect
(05:46):
the dots there and say, well, week two, Michigan plays
at Oklahoma, Sharon Moore played at Oklahoma. Going back there
as the head coach of Michigan, I'm sure will be
very meaningful to him, very meaningful to the program, Probably
very meaningful from a television aspect, and lots of other things.
(06:07):
That Michigan Oklahoma game is a very important game, not
that Michigan Nebraska is not an important game in Week
four going into the Big Ten opener with as your
head coach. That's also not not an easy situation for Michigan.
But yeah, I think it is a bit unique that
Michigan essentially seems to be saying, Look, we are willing
(06:29):
to suspend your own More, but we want to we
want to do it on our terms a little bit.
We want to have some say in which two games
he misses.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Why should why should it matter the Oklahoma connection with
Sharon More? Why should that even factor in?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
What?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Like? If if you really wanted to show the NC
DOUBLEA that you're serious about punishing for these types of actions,
shouldn't you suspend him for the first two games of
the Big Ten season? I mean, you and I both
can agree that that's not going to cut you out of,
you know, the football playoffs, not in today's day and age.
It may have ten years ago, but not today. If
(07:10):
you really wanted to be serious, why would you pick
Central Michigan in Nebraska?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah? You know, I think I think what Michigan might
tell you is that look, to miss two games, including
a conference game, for what Sharon Moore is accused of doing,
is is is a you know, it's a fairly steep punishment.
I think Michigan would make that argument. And you know,
lots of people can look at this situation and say, well,
(07:38):
you know, two games, especially for a coach who has
been previously suspended, we should note for a different NCAA investigation.
You know, whether two games is really a stiff punishment
for Sharon Moore or not, I think is something that
we can debate. But I think what Michigan would say
is two games, you know that that's, know what a
(08:01):
pretty good chunk of your season. You know, for Sharian
Moore to miss two games is a fairly substantial punishment.
And yeah, okay, we're trying to massage it a little
bit so that you know, the punishment falls not in
week one and week two, but it's still it's a
fairly significant punishment, you know, for a coach who, as
(08:23):
far as we know, you know, there's no allegation that
Sharon Moore was actually guilty of anything. With the substance
of the actual allegations about the scouting and the science
feeling right. It's with Sharian Moore. It's all about what
he did after the fact, and I think everybody acknowledges
what he did after the fact was a mistake. But
(08:44):
I think Michigan would say, look for what he actually
is accused of doing, to miss two games out of
his season is a pretty a pretty strong punishment, and
you know, in exchange for that, maybe we should be
able to have some say in terms of which game
he missed.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
I get that reportedly deleted a string of fifty two
text messages as soon as Stallions was, you know, caught
for the signal stealing allegations, and how that blew up.
Does the punishment fit the crime in your mind?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Well, I think that. I think that missing two games,
if that is the extent of it, if that's all
that Shoan Moore did. You know, he panicked in the
moment and he deleted some text messages. If it turns
out that that's really all he did, I think two
games is a fairly steep punishment, but an appropriate punishment
given that, as I mentioned, he had been suspended before.
(09:46):
I think if he was the first time offender, maybe
you get a slap on the wrist. And a reminder
that you preserve all of the records that could be
used in an NAA investigation. But the fact that he's
through this before, you know, he should know that was
clearly a mistake. So I think two games is appropriate
(10:08):
for that, But we'll see if the NBA agrees with that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
How do you think this sits with other Big Ten coaches?
And I'm talking about rivalries here, Ohio State, Michigan State,
Penn State, I'm talking about overall, how do you think
this sits with college football coaches? Just based on your
interaction with them in general?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, there were a lot of coaches in the Big
Ten who were angry about the Connor stallions allegations. Coaches
who even prior to the investigation becoming public, had had
expressed anger at Michigan in a way Michigan did business look.
(10:52):
Part of it is the fact that when you're on top,
everybody's looking up and you know, take taking shots. And
part of that also is, you know, Michigan has done
things to bring that on itself. You know, the the
investigation that happened, the first NCAA investigation, the second NCBLEA investigation.
(11:15):
You know, teams, other teams and the Big Ten have
I think legitimate reasons to not like the way Michigan
has has done business in some ways. You know, sometimes
those those schools and those coaches have to kind of
look in the mirror and see if they had their
own house in order, because I'm sure Michigan is not
the only program that's had stuff going on internally, but
(11:38):
I do think a lot of a lot of programs
around the Big Ten, around the country. We're rooting for
the n Cuba to punish Michigan, to make an example
out of Michigan because they felt like this did give
Michigan an unfair competitive advantage.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Austin Meek from the Athletic Joiner and is here on
Exigen Bros. You can fall on Twitter by Austin Meek.
When you look at this situation that Michigan is dealing
with and knowing that Jim Harbaugh had to do deal
with the same situation or a similar situation anyway, how
do you think it, How do you think it brands them?
(12:14):
What's the reputation now for Michigan if that matters at all.
Some coaches are like whatever, and people are going to
think what they want to think. We're just going to
go about our business. I get how they will insulate
themselves internally and take us against them attitude, but I'm
talking about as a whole nationally. How are they viewed
(12:35):
in your mind?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
You know, if you're not a Michigan fan and you're
looking at this from the outside, I think the perception
you get of Michigan is a program that did break
the rules, even if it was sort of the you know,
the spirit of the law type of thing, break the
(13:00):
rules and then kind of made itself into a martyr,
you know, trying to say that they had been unjustly
investigated and punished when it looks like, based on the fact,
based on the facts, that Michigan did break some rules.
So I think from the outside looking in, the perception
(13:23):
is probably that Michigan has not really wanted to take
accountability for some of the things that happened there, even
if the things that happened there are in terms of
the spectrum of bad things that can happen in a program,
the Connor Stallion's allegations certainly not the worst thing that
can happen, not the worst thing that's happened to Michigan,
(13:44):
by the way, but still It does seem like rules
were broken here, and Michigan has been pretty slow to
really take accountability for that, although they have in some ways,
and I think the outside is that, you know, Michigan
has Michigan has martyred itself a little bit in this
(14:07):
situation with with NCAA and has not really wanted to
own up to what happened.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Would it have helped it all or how much would
it have helped had Michigan gotten out in front of
this and said, look, we understand what happened here. Connor
Stallions was on somebody's sideline. Connor Stallions did some things
that were inappropriate. Granted, other schools have Ohio State has
done something similar to you know in the past, Florida
has crossed the line. Other schools, we can bring up
(14:35):
plenty of them. That's not even the point, though. The
point is this is about the here and now, and
this is about the University of Michigan. How much would
it have helped, if at all, had they gotten out
in front of this instead of you know, deleting the
messages and doing some things that made them look unscrupulous.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah, you know, having been around Michigan produced a little
while you know that what you're saying makes total sense
to me. I don't think Michigan thinks that way, you know.
I haven't seen Michigan act that way really in any
situation where you have a potential problem on your hands
and so you want to get out in front of
(15:12):
it and really take ownership. But I just I haven't
seen that that from Michigan as an institution. And I'm
sure there's a lot of reasons for that. Michigan is
not the only university that thinks that way, you know.
But I will say that we have seen schools really
(15:32):
go out of their way to cooperate with the n
C double A, not fight the n C double A.
And the track record of that, you know, I think
schools legitimately wonder what do we really get out of
playing ball with the n C double A. Is it?
Is it really going to help us in the long
(15:52):
run to uh, you know, to cooperate with the n
C double A rather than fighting the n C double A.
Is is the way to get through these investigations? To
fight the NCUBLEA at every step. You know, Michigan has
fought this. They bought the Big ten with Jim Harbaugh suspension.
They've fought back with the NCBA. Now there's some Michigan
(16:13):
fans would tell you they should have fought more. You know,
there's some Michigan fans will tell you they never should
have dropped that legal challenge against the Big Ten when
Jim Harbaugh was suspended. So you know, it's I don't
think there's a playbook for a great way to navigate
these situations. No matter what you do, it's going to
(16:35):
be difficult. But certainly I think Michigan has made it
difficult on itself. Just the degree to which Michigan has
really dug in and fought this.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
It's well said, well written. To appreciate the time and
the knowledge. Keep up the great work. Austin, thanks a lot.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
All right, thanks, Matt, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Austin Meek from The Athletic joining us here on X's
and Bros. Fascinating insight on what's going on. If you
want to read his article, make sure you subscribe to
The Athletic and you can follow him on Twitter. By
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