April 29, 2025 • 15 mins
Barbara Barker of NewsDay joins the show to give a New York perspective on the young Pistons core, her biggest surprise in the series thus far, and whether the Knicks can end Detroit's season Tuesday in Game 5.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good information on the New York Knicks is news Day
and Barbara Barker writes for news Day and she's been
writing on New York sports for well over twenty years.
You can follow her on Twitter or x at mean Barb,
which is a very interesting handle, and she joins us
here for the first time looking forward to this conversation.
Thanks Barbera. We appreciate it. How are you, hey, man,
(00:22):
I'm great. How you doing, I'm doing fine. Thanks? Just
out of curiosity, I probably get it all the time.
I doubt you're mean, But why mean bar for your
Twitter handle?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm okay, Like I'm so old that that in the
olden days when AOL was invented, I can remember this
all right. I picked my friend told me about this
cool new thing called AOL. Right, and her name. She
has got to pick a name, and her name is Gene,
and she picked mean Gene. So I picked mean Barb.
(00:53):
And it is thought at this continuity, that's all. It is.
Not bad.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, I doubt it reflects your personality. I'm glad you're
with us. Appreciated very much. You wrote about Jalen Brunson
in the fourth quarter and how he saves his best
for last. You've covered a lot of great athletes. I
think he's a hell of a basketball player and I
think he's a hell of a leader for that team.
It's a fine line, though, between trying to get in
(01:18):
the flow of a game early for a player like
Brunson and then taking over down the stretch. What do
you think that that line is for him? And when
do you think he first started asserting himself in this regard?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, you know, he won Mister Klutch this year.
The thing that's been around for a couple of years,
right is he Adam expands all these awards into millions
of territories, right, So he he won that, I really think,
I mean he can't. He really has been a leader
since he came to the Knicks, all right. But as
(01:54):
far as the fourth quarters, I mean, his statistics in
the fourth quarters are incredible and even I mean, I
think Cad is just an unbelievable player and it is
going to be built upon for years to come. I mean,
you guys have a great player, but you look at
the two of them, and Brenston has a little bit
more experience. I mean in the fourth quarter, kid who
(02:17):
has incredible stats is you know also has you know,
I will add to the points that Brnston has. Okay,
I'll just say Brinston's fifty three points on sixty five
percent shooting in the fourth quarter. Kate is twenty six
on thirty five percent shooting. Brnston has eight is six
one turnover ten. You know, Kata's tennis is eight turnovers.
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Kate is a minus fifteen. Brnston is a plus twenty five.
I think that's just I think it's I mean that's
just experience, that's just playing, and that he just has
the ability to turn that switch on and off. I
mean we really saw it last year too. I mean
the fact that he keeps doing it again and again.
(02:58):
I mean, he is the most popular name, and I
mean since I mean, he might even be more popular
than Patrick Ewing was, I'm trying to think. I mean,
he's a very very popular Nick. I mean, you know, people,
there's nobody that doesn't like it. People didn't like Carmelo
all right, there were people that didn't like the Knick
style of basketball when Patrick Ewing played people. I mean,
(03:20):
he is beloved by the Nick san base.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, he's a very likable person. And I don't disagree
with you. He's not well liked in Detroit right now
because they see him as a flopper.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
But he's not a flopper. I didn't say that. I
well about that and people got mad. But you know,
he draws falls and Ali does it whatever. He is
a bit.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, there's a lot of players who do that. By
the way, there's plenty of players who do that. Let's
get to the elephant in the room, and that's the
end of game four. The argument has been they let
them play all game long. My argument back to that
was the whistle was blown. There were seventeen personal falls
on each side, and in a game like that, when
it is that blatant, and knowing that that had been
(04:05):
called earlier in the series, what was your overall take
on Tim Hardaway's corner jumper from three with contact from
Josh Hart. Well, he was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Definitely followed by jus Hart. I think dus Hart even
said it too. But you can't argue a non call,
all right, and it's something that happened. And also just
Hart was shoved by Tobias, which was a fall right
before that, and that wasn't called. So there were other
things that weren't called. Do I think like Detroit has
a reason to be upset. Yeah, but if you look
(04:35):
every time a team is lost in this I mean,
I mean, you know, Tibodeau went on and on about
Jalen not getting calls, and I'm not saying he was
right in game. You know, in the game they lost,
you know, So I mean, I just I just think
there's been a lot of whining and the league has
decided to let calls go. And I mean that that
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is a really tough way to lose, and it's a
really really tough way to lose. And you know, but
I think there was a lot of stuff that wasn't called.
I mean, that's more of the editude here. I totally
understand how you guys feel in Detroit, but that's not
the reason. You like, that's the reason that the game
was lost at the end, But there's other reasons. You
know that you lost that game too.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Under Barbara Barker joining us from Newsday. You can follow
her on actual Twitter. Mean, bar but very kind to
join us here this morning. What has surprised you most
about this series so far?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean that the Knicks have countered your guys toughness.
I mean, this is a team that was known as tough.
Oh absolutely absolutely so going in you know, it's not
like I grew up in the Do you guys support
your teams back there in New York? Because things are
so expensive. I mean the cheapest Nick ticket tonight is
three hundred and eighteen dollars. All right, Because things people
(05:50):
sit back and wait and say, what are you going
to do for me? All right? This, this team and
last team's, last year's teams was really well liked. This
year's team because they you know, retooled. You know, they
brought in some guys. They're not seen as like guys
that left. Like people love Dante DiVincenzo and what he
brought to this team. All right, certainly you know, uh,
(06:13):
the Cowbridges skill set is better than his, all right,
but people just were waiting. People just were waiting to
see call Anthony Towns for better or worse. Has this
reputation as a beamed off. I think it's because he
has a quiet voice maybe or something. But he doesn't
have that tough guy reputation. And he has been tough,
(06:35):
I mean in game three, in game four, so I
think people people want to work worried. This is a
shared thing is there's an actual one in three against
you guys in the regular season, so people were worried
about this matchup. Some people wanted them to drop down
out of three so they didn't have to play you guys.
So I think the physicality of the series and the
fact that the Knicks have been able to, you know,
(06:59):
play with the Pistons, I think that has been a
big surprise to people here. I mean that they really like.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's interesting that you bring up the toughness, but also
earlier in the conversation the experience. And I think people
view Detroit as this young team, and I'm not saying
they're not because Kate Cunningham and Jalen Duran, for example,
and obviously guys you know, like you know Ron Holland
the third and Asar Thompson, but you know, Tim Hardaway
has plenty of experience. Tobias Harris has plenty of playoff experience.
(07:31):
Dennis Shrewder's got plenty of experience, Milie Beasley has a
ton of playoff experience. Why do we focus on Detroit
being so young when in their eight nine man rotation,
nearly half has a ton of postseason experience under their belt.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, because they're really good players, don't I mean, I mean,
you know, their best player does it. Okay, that's why
their best player does it. They don't have experience as
a team, all right. I mean I mean people love
your team. Look what you did from last year. Look
you know, look look what JB did or what they
all did together. I think you guys as a team
(08:09):
have an identity. But I mean you look at Tobias
who he's a super good guy. You know, last year
in the final game against the Knicks, he scored zero points,
all right, So I mean when he played for Philadelphia,
I mean Tim Hardaway junior, he's not beloved here because
he played for Knicks teams that weren't very good, all right,
(08:31):
So when he played this so I mean you know, yeah,
you have experience, but I mean it's not seeing it
seemed that you're your best play your best player, and
he is so good. I mean he's he's he's going
to be a great player. I mean if he isn't
you know he's a superstar already. Your best player doesn't
have the playoff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Experience, Okay, I get it. I still think when you've
got guys who are making big shots and need to
make big shots, and they are are part of that rotation.
I think sometimes it gets a little overblown. Your team
a year ago, won one more game, had a better seating,
and yet the expectations we all know, I mean a
(09:12):
lot of it is self induced, right, but they're high
for your team. Do people think they can get further
than just past Round one in New York if they
close out the Pistons here tonight.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't like the Celtics. I don't think the ether
team can so I mean, you know, all the prizes whatever,
But the thing is, I think for the Knicks, they
were built to beat the Celtics, all right. They're all
went four against the Celtics this year, so I think,
you know, I mean they were I mean before their
first day, the first game of the year was between
(09:46):
the Celtics and the Knicks, and Jill Mizoola said to
his team, this team is built to be and then
they came out and destroyed the next all right. So
I mean I just think and also, you know, Celtics
Nicks is a big rivalry. I mean, you know, Nix
to Troight has its rivalry moments over the years. But
I mean that's a big rival, so I think players
(10:06):
really want to see, you know, get there. But when
the Knicks drew Detroit, people are like, I don't know
they're going to get I mean they thought, I mean
everyone thought there's just going to be a really tough series,
which it really has. I mean that, you know, the
Pistons easily could be up three one, you know, I mean,
everything has come down to the end. It's been a
really exciting series.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
What will be key tonight? We were talking with Rick
Mahorne yesterday. He said he put right on the noseman
in game four. He said, you know, turnovers are so important.
Detroit turns it over nineteen times twice in the series,
they have turned it over nineteen times. Credit to the
Knicks for that, but some of it sloppily play on
the part of the Pistons. What do you think will
be most important in game five.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Tonight, Well, they got to get rid of the sloppy play.
I don't make that big of a deal about the Pistons,
I mean, because I've already wonted Medicine Square Guarden being
able to deal with Madicine Square Guarden quite frankly, I thought,
you know, since Game three not so much. For maybe
you had younger people, and maybe because it was during day,
people hadn't been drinking. You know. Game three was like
(11:09):
Game three was so loud. I couldn't like the next morning,
it's still hurt for me to talk on the phone.
My ears hurt. I wish, I mean, and I bought
earplugs for Game four. I mean, it was I've never
seen it. I haven't seen a crowd like that in years.
So I don't think. I mean, you know, the Knicks,
you'll get a super loud, pumped up crowd, but I
don't think. I don't think it's going to equal that.
(11:30):
So I think I think the distance is so naked deal.
You know, if it comes down to the fourth quarter,
it's just going to sort of be execution, somebody not
making a mistake. I mean, if it's that close, let's
hope it's not the officials, because that would be bad,
you know, to have redo. I think, and that finally,
I don't think it will be How do you.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Think the Giants and jetted it in their draft.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I'm not the football people, all right, I can just
stay away from that. Giants. You know, every every year
people get excited about some quarterback or this or that
and and yeah, you know so, I mean, well, we'll
see the Giants head. They both have a long way
to go. But you know, having been a Lions, you know,
(12:16):
you know, you guys fought the Lions for years, finally
getting a good team, all right, So I mean it's
a contro.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We'll enjoy it. We'll enjoy it. One final thing from
from Barbara Barker from Newsday, Joining is here on X
and and Bros. Throughout the Great State of Michigan. Follower
on X AT mean, Barb, when you look at this
series as a whole and eventually when the run ends
for both these teams, because neither one is good as Cleveland,
neither one is as good as Boston, and I would
(12:43):
argue I think Indiana is really good. I think they're
an underrated team. What do you see the weakness? Where
does Detroit lack?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
In?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
What area does New York lack? Do you think to
try and get in that same conversation, I.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Think Detroit, as much as you mentioned the experience around them,
they they need a few more. They have a superstar
and they need like a few more. I mean, you
know stars, Oh, Tim Hardaway going to be there next year?
Isn't this last year was toxic? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, it's the last year. It is a good question
him and Beasley would be up. Yeah, I mean that's
a good question.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, So I think you just need some more
stars around Kate or if they don't have to be superstars,
but I mean you have a foundation there. That's what
I think. The Knicks, I mean, they have to. I
was looking at because what they did in Detroit? Did
they come together as I mean, the Knicks have the pieces.
(13:44):
If you look at the pieces and the stars they have,
they should be. They have to learn together to play
together as a team. I think, you know, I was
wondering Troit. Did they must wrote something like they you know,
some people go to an you know, to yoga retreat
to find themselves. Did the Nicks find themselves in Detroit?
Because I think that's as well as I've seen them
play as a team. The problem is they haven't. You know,
(14:07):
a lot of times it's been Jalen Brunson in iso
offense that's not working. You know, they haven't really you know,
they've needed Cat to step up, which he did. You mean,
big time in Game four, they've needed other players to
step on on a more consistent basis, and they needed
to I think trust one another enough. And I'm not
saying Jalen wasn't trusting these guys, but you know, he
(14:30):
was out for a month, I mean, and came back with,
like you know, with an injury with five games left,
and I think there was just some you know, I
think they get we'll see, we'll see what happens, because
I mean if they you know, Tambadeau would almost one
hundred percent lose his job if they don't get out
of the series, all right, So I think you know
(14:52):
that's you know, that's one thing. I mean, who knows
you can't predict the knixt you can under predict what's
going to go on.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I will s interesting because I think he's a really
good coach. Reaching players is one thing, though, but he
sure seems like a really good coach. You do a
great job, Barbara. We really appreciate a great insight from
you and Newsday. Keep up the great work, and I'm
glad you enjoyed our town here for a short period
of time, and I hope you're back for Thursday as well.
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Okay, thanks man. I don't know if I want to
get back on that plane, but yeah, all right, take care.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I'm with you. Yeah, the travel could be a little
bit much. Barbara Barker joining us here from Newsday Here
on ex'es and bros. On this Tuesday morning
Good information on the New York Knicks is news Day
and Barbara Barker writes for news Day and she's been
writing on New York sports for well over twenty years.
You can follow her on Twitter or x at mean Barb,
which is a very interesting handle, and she joins us
here for the first time looking forward to this conversation.
Thanks Barbera. We appreciate it. How are you, hey, man,
(00:22):
I'm great. How you doing, I'm doing fine. Thanks? Just
out of curiosity, I probably get it all the time.
I doubt you're mean, But why mean bar for your
Twitter handle?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm okay, Like I'm so old that that in the
olden days when AOL was invented, I can remember this
all right. I picked my friend told me about this
cool new thing called AOL. Right, and her name. She
has got to pick a name, and her name is Gene,
and she picked mean Gene. So I picked mean Barb.
(00:53):
And it is thought at this continuity, that's all. It is.
Not bad.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, I doubt it reflects your personality. I'm glad you're
with us. Appreciated very much. You wrote about Jalen Brunson
in the fourth quarter and how he saves his best
for last. You've covered a lot of great athletes. I
think he's a hell of a basketball player and I
think he's a hell of a leader for that team.
It's a fine line, though, between trying to get in
(01:18):
the flow of a game early for a player like
Brunson and then taking over down the stretch. What do
you think that that line is for him? And when
do you think he first started asserting himself in this regard?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I mean, you know, he won Mister Klutch this year.
The thing that's been around for a couple of years,
right is he Adam expands all these awards into millions
of territories, right, So he he won that, I really think,
I mean he can't. He really has been a leader
since he came to the Knicks, all right. But as
(01:54):
far as the fourth quarters, I mean, his statistics in
the fourth quarters are incredible and even I mean, I
think Cad is just an unbelievable player and it is
going to be built upon for years to come. I mean,
you guys have a great player, but you look at
the two of them, and Brenston has a little bit
more experience. I mean in the fourth quarter, kid who
(02:17):
has incredible stats is you know also has you know,
I will add to the points that Brnston has. Okay,
I'll just say Brinston's fifty three points on sixty five
percent shooting in the fourth quarter. Kate is twenty six
on thirty five percent shooting. Brnston has eight is six
one turnover ten. You know, Kata's tennis is eight turnovers.
(02:38):
Kate is a minus fifteen. Brnston is a plus twenty five.
I think that's just I think it's I mean that's
just experience, that's just playing, and that he just has
the ability to turn that switch on and off. I
mean we really saw it last year too. I mean
the fact that he keeps doing it again and again.
(02:58):
I mean, he is the most popular name, and I
mean since I mean, he might even be more popular
than Patrick Ewing was, I'm trying to think. I mean,
he's a very very popular Nick. I mean, you know, people,
there's nobody that doesn't like it. People didn't like Carmelo
all right, there were people that didn't like the Knick
style of basketball when Patrick Ewing played people. I mean,
(03:20):
he is beloved by the Nick san base.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, he's a very likable person. And I don't disagree
with you. He's not well liked in Detroit right now
because they see him as a flopper.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
But he's not a flopper. I didn't say that. I
well about that and people got mad. But you know,
he draws falls and Ali does it whatever. He is
a bit.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, there's a lot of players who do that. By
the way, there's plenty of players who do that. Let's
get to the elephant in the room, and that's the
end of game four. The argument has been they let
them play all game long. My argument back to that
was the whistle was blown. There were seventeen personal falls
on each side, and in a game like that, when
it is that blatant, and knowing that that had been
(04:05):
called earlier in the series, what was your overall take
on Tim Hardaway's corner jumper from three with contact from
Josh Hart. Well, he was.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Definitely followed by jus Hart. I think dus Hart even
said it too. But you can't argue a non call,
all right, and it's something that happened. And also just
Hart was shoved by Tobias, which was a fall right
before that, and that wasn't called. So there were other
things that weren't called. Do I think like Detroit has
a reason to be upset. Yeah, but if you look
(04:35):
every time a team is lost in this I mean,
I mean, you know, Tibodeau went on and on about
Jalen not getting calls, and I'm not saying he was
right in game. You know, in the game they lost,
you know, So I mean, I just I just think
there's been a lot of whining and the league has
decided to let calls go. And I mean that that
(04:56):
is a really tough way to lose, and it's a
really really tough way to lose. And you know, but
I think there was a lot of stuff that wasn't called.
I mean, that's more of the editude here. I totally
understand how you guys feel in Detroit, but that's not
the reason. You like, that's the reason that the game
was lost at the end, But there's other reasons. You
know that you lost that game too.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Under Barbara Barker joining us from Newsday. You can follow
her on actual Twitter. Mean, bar but very kind to
join us here this morning. What has surprised you most
about this series so far?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean that the Knicks have countered your guys toughness.
I mean, this is a team that was known as tough.
Oh absolutely absolutely so going in you know, it's not
like I grew up in the Do you guys support
your teams back there in New York? Because things are
so expensive. I mean the cheapest Nick ticket tonight is
three hundred and eighteen dollars. All right, Because things people
(05:50):
sit back and wait and say, what are you going
to do for me? All right? This, this team and
last team's, last year's teams was really well liked. This
year's team because they you know, retooled. You know, they
brought in some guys. They're not seen as like guys
that left. Like people love Dante DiVincenzo and what he
brought to this team. All right, certainly you know, uh,
(06:13):
the Cowbridges skill set is better than his, all right,
but people just were waiting. People just were waiting to
see call Anthony Towns for better or worse. Has this
reputation as a beamed off. I think it's because he
has a quiet voice maybe or something. But he doesn't
have that tough guy reputation. And he has been tough,
(06:35):
I mean in game three, in game four, so I
think people people want to work worried. This is a
shared thing is there's an actual one in three against
you guys in the regular season, so people were worried
about this matchup. Some people wanted them to drop down
out of three so they didn't have to play you guys.
So I think the physicality of the series and the
fact that the Knicks have been able to, you know,
(06:59):
play with the Pistons, I think that has been a
big surprise to people here. I mean that they really like.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's interesting that you bring up the toughness, but also
earlier in the conversation the experience. And I think people
view Detroit as this young team, and I'm not saying
they're not because Kate Cunningham and Jalen Duran, for example,
and obviously guys you know, like you know Ron Holland
the third and Asar Thompson, but you know, Tim Hardaway
has plenty of experience. Tobias Harris has plenty of playoff experience.
(07:31):
Dennis Shrewder's got plenty of experience, Milie Beasley has a
ton of playoff experience. Why do we focus on Detroit
being so young when in their eight nine man rotation,
nearly half has a ton of postseason experience under their belt.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well, because they're really good players, don't I mean, I mean,
you know, their best player does it. Okay, that's why
their best player does it. They don't have experience as
a team, all right. I mean I mean people love
your team. Look what you did from last year. Look
you know, look look what JB did or what they
all did together. I think you guys as a team
(08:09):
have an identity. But I mean you look at Tobias
who he's a super good guy. You know, last year
in the final game against the Knicks, he scored zero points,
all right, So I mean when he played for Philadelphia,
I mean Tim Hardaway junior, he's not beloved here because
he played for Knicks teams that weren't very good, all right,
(08:31):
So when he played this so I mean you know, yeah,
you have experience, but I mean it's not seeing it
seemed that you're your best play your best player, and
he is so good. I mean he's he's he's going
to be a great player. I mean if he isn't
you know he's a superstar already. Your best player doesn't
have the playoff.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Experience, Okay, I get it. I still think when you've
got guys who are making big shots and need to
make big shots, and they are are part of that rotation.
I think sometimes it gets a little overblown. Your team
a year ago, won one more game, had a better seating,
and yet the expectations we all know, I mean a
(09:12):
lot of it is self induced, right, but they're high
for your team. Do people think they can get further
than just past Round one in New York if they
close out the Pistons here tonight.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I don't like the Celtics. I don't think the ether
team can so I mean, you know, all the prizes whatever,
But the thing is, I think for the Knicks, they
were built to beat the Celtics, all right. They're all
went four against the Celtics this year, so I think,
you know, I mean they were I mean before their
first day, the first game of the year was between
(09:46):
the Celtics and the Knicks, and Jill Mizoola said to
his team, this team is built to be and then
they came out and destroyed the next all right. So
I mean I just think and also, you know, Celtics
Nicks is a big rivalry. I mean, you know, Nix
to Troight has its rivalry moments over the years. But
I mean that's a big rival, so I think players
(10:06):
really want to see, you know, get there. But when
the Knicks drew Detroit, people are like, I don't know
they're going to get I mean they thought, I mean
everyone thought there's just going to be a really tough series,
which it really has. I mean that, you know, the
Pistons easily could be up three one, you know, I mean,
everything has come down to the end. It's been a
really exciting series.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
What will be key tonight? We were talking with Rick
Mahorne yesterday. He said he put right on the noseman
in game four. He said, you know, turnovers are so important.
Detroit turns it over nineteen times twice in the series,
they have turned it over nineteen times. Credit to the
Knicks for that, but some of it sloppily play on
the part of the Pistons. What do you think will
be most important in game five.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Tonight, Well, they got to get rid of the sloppy play.
I don't make that big of a deal about the Pistons,
I mean, because I've already wonted Medicine Square Guarden being
able to deal with Madicine Square Guarden quite frankly, I thought,
you know, since Game three not so much. For maybe
you had younger people, and maybe because it was during day,
people hadn't been drinking. You know. Game three was like
(11:09):
Game three was so loud. I couldn't like the next morning,
it's still hurt for me to talk on the phone.
My ears hurt. I wish, I mean, and I bought
earplugs for Game four. I mean, it was I've never
seen it. I haven't seen a crowd like that in years.
So I don't think. I mean, you know, the Knicks,
you'll get a super loud, pumped up crowd, but I
don't think. I don't think it's going to equal that.
(11:30):
So I think I think the distance is so naked deal.
You know, if it comes down to the fourth quarter,
it's just going to sort of be execution, somebody not
making a mistake. I mean, if it's that close, let's
hope it's not the officials, because that would be bad,
you know, to have redo. I think, and that finally,
I don't think it will be How do you.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Think the Giants and jetted it in their draft.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I'm not the football people, all right, I can just
stay away from that. Giants. You know, every every year
people get excited about some quarterback or this or that
and and yeah, you know so, I mean, well, we'll
see the Giants head. They both have a long way
to go. But you know, having been a Lions, you know,
(12:16):
you know, you guys fought the Lions for years, finally
getting a good team, all right, So I mean it's
a contro.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We'll enjoy it. We'll enjoy it. One final thing from
from Barbara Barker from Newsday, Joining is here on X
and and Bros. Throughout the Great State of Michigan. Follower
on X AT mean, Barb, when you look at this
series as a whole and eventually when the run ends
for both these teams, because neither one is good as Cleveland,
neither one is as good as Boston, and I would
(12:43):
argue I think Indiana is really good. I think they're
an underrated team. What do you see the weakness? Where
does Detroit lack?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
In?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
What area does New York lack? Do you think to
try and get in that same conversation, I.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Think Detroit, as much as you mentioned the experience around them,
they they need a few more. They have a superstar
and they need like a few more. I mean, you
know stars, Oh, Tim Hardaway going to be there next year?
Isn't this last year was toxic? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, it's the last year. It is a good question
him and Beasley would be up. Yeah, I mean that's
a good question.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, So I think you just need some more
stars around Kate or if they don't have to be superstars,
but I mean you have a foundation there. That's what
I think. The Knicks, I mean, they have to. I
was looking at because what they did in Detroit? Did
they come together as I mean, the Knicks have the pieces.
(13:44):
If you look at the pieces and the stars they have,
they should be. They have to learn together to play
together as a team. I think, you know, I was
wondering Troit. Did they must wrote something like they you know,
some people go to an you know, to yoga retreat
to find themselves. Did the Nicks find themselves in Detroit?
Because I think that's as well as I've seen them
play as a team. The problem is they haven't. You know,
(14:07):
a lot of times it's been Jalen Brunson in iso
offense that's not working. You know, they haven't really you know,
they've needed Cat to step up, which he did. You mean,
big time in Game four, they've needed other players to
step on on a more consistent basis, and they needed
to I think trust one another enough. And I'm not
saying Jalen wasn't trusting these guys, but you know, he
(14:30):
was out for a month, I mean, and came back with,
like you know, with an injury with five games left,
and I think there was just some you know, I
think they get we'll see, we'll see what happens, because
I mean if they you know, Tambadeau would almost one
hundred percent lose his job if they don't get out
of the series, all right, So I think you know
(14:52):
that's you know, that's one thing. I mean, who knows
you can't predict the knixt you can under predict what's
going to go on.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I will s interesting because I think he's a really
good coach. Reaching players is one thing, though, but he
sure seems like a really good coach. You do a
great job, Barbara. We really appreciate a great insight from
you and Newsday. Keep up the great work, and I'm
glad you enjoyed our town here for a short period
of time, and I hope you're back for Thursday as well.
Have a great day.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Okay, thanks man. I don't know if I want to
get back on that plane, but yeah, all right, take care.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I'm with you. Yeah, the travel could be a little
bit much. Barbara Barker joining us here from Newsday Here
on ex'es and bros. On this Tuesday morning
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