August 12, 2025 • 16 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So the athletic comes out with a tiered quarterback ranking
and they break them down into various tiers of you know,
whether or not you can carry a football team. Now,
let's just get this straight. The thing that makes football
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so beautiful and what I would consider the ultimate team
sport is just the fact that it's hard to do
anything without somebody else on the football field. Jared Goff
needs Penney Sewell, Taylor Decker needs you know, if it's
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Giovanni Manu or next to him, you're going to need
those guys because one guy can't do it by themselves.
The wide receiver needs the quarterback, the quarterback needs the
offensive line. And you get all that, all right. I'm
not telling you something you don't know. It's just one
of what I would consider one of the beauties of football.
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I just I love it in that regard. Now, it
doesn't mean that one guy can't make a huge difference,
because he can. That's that's been pretty obvious. But I
do believe that it's important to recognize that, you know,
one guy is not going to carry an entire club.
I think that's possible. And in basketball, when when a
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guy gets on a heater, you know when when Trent's
watching Lebron James go off for forty eight, he's probably
carrying his team. A goaltender can steal a game, so
on and so forth. So the athletic comes out with
NFL quarterback tiers and who's in tier one and what
they are. So there are five different tiers Trent. For
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this exercise, Tier one is described as this a quarterback
who can carry his team each week the team wins
because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations, has
no real holes in his game. How many quarterbacks can
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do that?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You and I always talk about the consensus top four.
I would maybe even bump it down to three, though,
I think that's got to be elite company.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, I was having a hard time getting no holes
in his game.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's the one that trips me up because it's like,
I love Matthew Stafford. He still plays at a high level,
but he's not super mobile anymore, right, so that could
be a hole in his game. So can he be
in tier one? We'll find out.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, it's a good point. Good point. I think Joe
Burrow would be for me, a guy who would be
in a tier one. But how mobile is he? I'm
trying to figure out what makes up that perfect quarterback. Yes,
so Trick Mahomes is the standard. He's mobile, he's got
a strong enough arm, seems like a really good decision maker,
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seems like a hell of a leader, all those different things.
So it seems like he would be that guy Joe Borrow.
Might may not be his mobile, but might have a
better arm, you know, depending on who you talk to.
Sure seems like he's a hell of a captain on
the field. Sure seems like guys believe in him, and
rightfully so. Josh Allen's LORAINI MVP. Lamar Jackson's won two MVPs.
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How do you keep them out from the Tier one
when Lamar Jackson has struggled in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, I like Jill like, could that technically be a
hole in his game?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know? Yeah, right, there's the hole in the game.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
How do you quantify it?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
How is Lamar Jackson in that? If we've already recognized
the holes in his game, He's got some holes in
his game, doesn't he? Absolutely? Okay? So anyway, so I
try not to overthink it too much, But this is
how they did it. I just wanted to describe that.
Let me give you a Tier two. You know that
Jared Goff's not in Tier five, which is basically a backup,
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so I'm not even going to worry about that. Tier
two is a quarterback that can carry his team sometimes
but not as consistently, can handle pure passing situations and doses,
and possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate
him above Tier three. He has a whole or two
in his game that sounds like Jared goth Okay, so
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that's Tier two, and then last, I'll give you Tier three.
Quarterback is a legitimate starter, needs a heavy run game
and or defensive component to win of lower volume drop
back passing offense suits him best. All right, there's your
Those are just the three tiers that I'm going to
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talk about. I don't I don't need Tier four or
Tier five.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Kenny Pickett, Well Flackel, Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, Kenny Pickett is tier five? Is he?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He's best suited as his backup. He's the only guy
in tier five.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay. So we got tier one, two and three, We gotcha, Okay,
So one, two.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And three is what I'm going to focus on one
is Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and
Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh wow, so they did put Stafford at the top.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Those are your five. One coordinator said, every time I
watch him, I go WHOA. Another guy, a defensive coordinator says,
I guarantee you all your ones for Stafford. In other words,
his rankings, Chris Stafford came from offensive coaches. Offensive coaches
kissed this guy's ass all the time, especially guys from
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that system. He's really good, though. I'd take him over
Herbert because he's a better passer with better timing. So
that's kind of what the breakdown was with Stafford. Somebody
said he still has that in him. His mind is
a bit to process, think and communicate standout. I have
a high admiration for him as a competitor, arm talent
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and playmaker. So that's why he's in it. He's at
age thirty seven. That's pretty damn good.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It is very impressive here.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So when we talk about the Big four, that's what
they are. The consensus is the four. How you want
to rank them is up to you. But most people
you talk to who follow the sport would tell you
the top four quarterbacks in the league are Patrick Mahomes,
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson. Most people would
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tell you that. Then the debate begins, right, So, at
least in this debate based on NFL coordinators and NFL coaches,
and there were fifty of them interviewed for this, so
that's a pretty good sampling. All right. This is not writers.
These are guys who have talked to fifty NFL coaches
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and executives. All right, So they're talking to defensive coordinators,
offensive coordinators, head coaches. These are important. These are how
the men who make this their living view this. So
I think there's a little bit more. It's not like
these are your beat writers. Well, the consensus is this
guy and that guy. Now, these are the guys who
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break down film, right, That's why I like this list.
Tier two again, the quarterback who can carry his team
sometimes but not as consistently, can handle pressure passing situations.
Who do you think is in this tier? This couple
of names.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, this is where I'd go.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'd put Golf in here, I'd put Justin Herbert in here. Uh,
probably Jalen hurts you and I both think that he's
a little overlooked at times.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think we overlooked Baker Mayfield. They have Jaden Daniels
at six.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh that's it. Yeah, Okay, that wasn't a mission by me. Yes,
which is.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
No, I didn't expect you to name all of them.
The guys you named are all in this in this tier. Okay,
you're right. So Jaden Daniels is at six. They've got
Justin Herbert at seven. That surprises me just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Somebody said he's a click slower than some of the elites,
but he's an absolute stud. A lot of people have
him as an automatic one. I want him to take it.
It seems like he is almost there, but he hasn't
really done it. He's a little bit robotic, you can
tell the way he processes everything is a click slower
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than some of the elites.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Do you think people are souring on him a little bit?
Do you think that's the consensus?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And do you think that's fair? Because I do.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I really like him. I think he's like if if
you told me my team was quarterback by not talking
about fantasy football, if you told me my team was
quarterback by Justin Herbert, I would feel like I have
a top ten quarterback. Okay, so is the elite? No,
I don't believe he is now before you and I
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can say definitively and you said it first. But what
is it you don't like about him? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And this is where it gets tricky, because you know,
I really like Lamar Jackson, but he hasn't won in
the playoffs. Justin Herbert, a lot of the knocks are
the playoff performances, and how much of that is his fault?
I don't know. We could talk all day about that,
but it sounds to me like shep. You don't have
a huge problem with him being in Tier two. Maybe
at being seven some of the guys he's ahead of,
(09:30):
maybe right, you have more of a gripe with but
not being in tier two.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That's what I would say. I would have a problem
with him being at seven, but I have no problem
with him being in tier two. What do you have
twenty three touchdowns and three picks last year something like that,
something crazy like that. Yeah, eleven, Yeah, they won eleven games.
He threw for four thousand yards, and I think he
had twenty three and three anyway. Bottom line is he's
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at seven, one ahead of Jared Goff. Here's what they
say about golf. Golf and Burrow are probably the two
best anticipation throwers that I have seen lately. So you
have to put him at a one, says one head coach.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That's high praise.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's really high praise. You might put him at two
from a pure quarterback standpoint. He struggles to extend plays.
But the guy has played at a one level for
three years now. If I asked you, Trent, which quarterback
in the NFL has the most touchdown passes thrown over
the last three years, who would you say?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I would guess Burrow, But he was heard a couple
of years, so I'd got is it golf?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It is Goff? Okay, ninety six?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I would have guessed a guy like Burrow too. He
had forty three last year, right, Baker Mayfield had what
forty one last year? Something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
By the way, you did nail it with Justin Herbert,
just quickly. Twenty three touchdowns, three picks.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
We got it, yeah, twenty three and three. This is
what they say about golf. You will see this year
it is the coordinator is the coordinator or the quarterback,
But I think it has been more the quarterback than advertised.
At one executive, Goff and Mayfield are legit guys who
can get in a rhythm and dice you up. They
are not as good as the top guys in Tier one,
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but they deserve to be up there. One voter said
he's a three because he needs the run game, he
needs a defense, he needs all those things. Can you
tell me I don't want to get defensive here for
Jared Goff. I think he's in the right tier. Can
you tell me a quarterback who doesn't need a defense?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, Joe Burrow would take a good defense.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Just an average one based on last year, You're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's the prime example.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And they're gonna have a problem with it this year too,
at least from all intensive purposes. It seems like it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Have they played their ones against Phillies backups in the
preseason and got rolled?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, yeah. Concerning it's really.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
One defensive coordinator said, Goff has definitely grown over the
last couple of years. Early in his career. If you
got to him just to be a dropback quarterback, he
would make a lot more mistakes. He's better in that
area as far as protecting the football. He has a
good run game, they have a good team. I'm not
going to hold that against him too much. I think
that's a really fair point behind Goff at eight. This
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is again trying not to be too CJ. Stroud and
Jalen Hurts. CJ Stroud after two years and who had
an oka season last year against Jalen Hurts, who's been
to the super Bowl twice and outplayed Patrick Mahomes twice
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in those big games. I don't That to me is strange.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, that one I don't get because they're almost putting
us in a tough spot as people who talk about
these things and dissect these things, because it puts you
in a position where you have to tear down out
to build up Jalen Hurts. And right, that's not necessarily fair.
But I just think Jalen Hurts is so slept on SHEP.
I don't know what more he's got to do. And
you and I have talked about that all offseason.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Here's what one defensive coordinator put And I think it's
a fair point. Doesn't mean that I hold it firmly
against him, and I think he's in the right tier.
I just think he should be higher than nine. Okay,
they say he does everything the right way for how
they have been built. I see him as a really
good player on a team with a bunch of really
good players. Is that a fair point?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But again, that's where maybe it is. Maybe it isn't,
But again that's where it's like, is it Jalen Hurts
fault that they have a really good ownership group, and
they have a really good front office, and they have
a really good roster, Like, is it Jalen Hurts fault?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
No? I don't think that canalize him for it. But
I don't think they're penalizing him. But they're just not
rewarding him. They're saying that I think in so many words,
they're saying, he's a really good player. But only five
times last year he attempted thirty passes in.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
A game, right, Like, does he really have the opportunity
to go prove that he is one of the best
players on that team or is it just to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Sound like you're penalizing him because that was a good
word to use. But he's behind the best offensive line
in football handing off to the best back in football,
with three outstanding weapons in football, on a hell of
a defense.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
In football, and probably a top three roster.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, and top top three roster. Yeah, he's one of
I don't again, you and I both are an agreement.
I don't think he gets nearly enough credit. However, it's
a fair point that he is. Like, we talk about
system quarterbacks all the time. How come Jalen hurts and
I'm asking myself this, this is a knock on. How
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come I don't think he's a system quarterback? Turning, give
to Sakwon Barkley, turn and play action to Saquon Barkley,
throw to AJ Brown, DeVante Smith, push, push, push, I
mean really.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, you're right, Chep. I guess it can be tricky
to not overcorrect. You know, you and I both think
he's maybe a little disrespected or slighted or overlooked. But
that doesn't mean that you have to go overboard and
say that he is in Tier one.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
He's a Josh winner, He's a winner. Here's what one
defensive coordinator said. They tried to throw it more early
in the year. He couldn't do that, so they said,
screw it. Run the ball forty times a game, I
give Hurts a two. He's a good player. One GM
said it's a tough one. I think he's a three.
As in Tier three. They are very talented around him.
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He's not as consistent as a passer. They have a
strong defense, great playmakers, great offensive line. He is able
to function that way, but I don't know that he
is one of the one that elevates them that is
not a slight Right behind him, by the way, Bag Mayfield.
They've got Dak Prescott ahead of Jordan Love, which is
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very interesting, and then Brock Purdy the Tier three real
quick Kyler Murray Tran's favorite player Aaron Rodgers two A
tongue of Aloa, Trevor Lawrence, Gino Smith bow Nick, Sam Darnold,
Drake May Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, Kirk Cousins, Boy oh boy,
Sam Darnold, Man, I know you don't like him. They
got him in the three. I guess one year doesn't
make a really good player.
So the athletic comes out with a tiered quarterback ranking
and they break them down into various tiers of you know,
whether or not you can carry a football team. Now,
let's just get this straight. The thing that makes football
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so beautiful and what I would consider the ultimate team
sport is just the fact that it's hard to do
anything without somebody else on the football field. Jared Goff
needs Penney Sewell, Taylor Decker needs you know, if it's
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Giovanni Manu or next to him, you're going to need
those guys because one guy can't do it by themselves.
The wide receiver needs the quarterback, the quarterback needs the
offensive line. And you get all that, all right. I'm
not telling you something you don't know. It's just one
of what I would consider one of the beauties of football.
(01:09):
I just I love it in that regard. Now, it
doesn't mean that one guy can't make a huge difference,
because he can. That's that's been pretty obvious. But I
do believe that it's important to recognize that, you know,
one guy is not going to carry an entire club.
I think that's possible. And in basketball, when when a
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guy gets on a heater, you know when when Trent's
watching Lebron James go off for forty eight, he's probably
carrying his team. A goaltender can steal a game, so
on and so forth. So the athletic comes out with
NFL quarterback tiers and who's in tier one and what
they are. So there are five different tiers Trent. For
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this exercise, Tier one is described as this a quarterback
who can carry his team each week the team wins
because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations, has
no real holes in his game. How many quarterbacks can
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do that?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
You and I always talk about the consensus top four.
I would maybe even bump it down to three, though,
I think that's got to be elite company.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah, I was having a hard time getting no holes
in his game.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's the one that trips me up because it's like,
I love Matthew Stafford. He still plays at a high level,
but he's not super mobile anymore, right, so that could
be a hole in his game. So can he be
in tier one? We'll find out.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, it's a good point. Good point. I think Joe
Burrow would be for me, a guy who would be
in a tier one. But how mobile is he? I'm
trying to figure out what makes up that perfect quarterback. Yes,
so Trick Mahomes is the standard. He's mobile, he's got
a strong enough arm, seems like a really good decision maker,
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seems like a hell of a leader, all those different things.
So it seems like he would be that guy Joe Borrow.
Might may not be his mobile, but might have a
better arm, you know, depending on who you talk to.
Sure seems like he's a hell of a captain on
the field. Sure seems like guys believe in him, and
rightfully so. Josh Allen's LORAINI MVP. Lamar Jackson's won two MVPs.
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How do you keep them out from the Tier one
when Lamar Jackson has struggled in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah, I like Jill like, could that technically be a
hole in his game?
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know? Yeah, right, there's the hole in the game.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
How do you quantify it?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
How is Lamar Jackson in that? If we've already recognized
the holes in his game, He's got some holes in
his game, doesn't he? Absolutely? Okay? So anyway, so I
try not to overthink it too much, But this is
how they did it. I just wanted to describe that.
Let me give you a Tier two. You know that
Jared Goff's not in Tier five, which is basically a backup,
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so I'm not even going to worry about that. Tier
two is a quarterback that can carry his team sometimes
but not as consistently, can handle pure passing situations and doses,
and possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate
him above Tier three. He has a whole or two
in his game that sounds like Jared goth Okay, so
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that's Tier two, and then last, I'll give you Tier three.
Quarterback is a legitimate starter, needs a heavy run game
and or defensive component to win of lower volume drop
back passing offense suits him best. All right, there's your
Those are just the three tiers that I'm going to
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talk about. I don't I don't need Tier four or
Tier five.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Kenny Pickett, Well Flackel, Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, Kenny Pickett is tier five? Is he?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He's best suited as his backup. He's the only guy
in tier five.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Okay. So we got tier one, two and three, We gotcha, Okay,
So one, two.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
And three is what I'm going to focus on one
is Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and
Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh wow, so they did put Stafford at the top.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Those are your five. One coordinator said, every time I
watch him, I go WHOA. Another guy, a defensive coordinator says,
I guarantee you all your ones for Stafford. In other words,
his rankings, Chris Stafford came from offensive coaches. Offensive coaches
kissed this guy's ass all the time, especially guys from
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that system. He's really good, though. I'd take him over
Herbert because he's a better passer with better timing. So
that's kind of what the breakdown was with Stafford. Somebody
said he still has that in him. His mind is
a bit to process, think and communicate standout. I have
a high admiration for him as a competitor, arm talent
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and playmaker. So that's why he's in it. He's at
age thirty seven. That's pretty damn good.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It is very impressive here.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
So when we talk about the Big four, that's what
they are. The consensus is the four. How you want
to rank them is up to you. But most people
you talk to who follow the sport would tell you
the top four quarterbacks in the league are Patrick Mahomes,
Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson. Most people would
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tell you that. Then the debate begins, right, So, at
least in this debate based on NFL coordinators and NFL coaches,
and there were fifty of them interviewed for this, so
that's a pretty good sampling. All right. This is not writers.
These are guys who have talked to fifty NFL coaches
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and executives. All right, So they're talking to defensive coordinators,
offensive coordinators, head coaches. These are important. These are how
the men who make this their living view this. So
I think there's a little bit more. It's not like
these are your beat writers. Well, the consensus is this
guy and that guy. Now, these are the guys who
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break down film, right, That's why I like this list.
Tier two again, the quarterback who can carry his team
sometimes but not as consistently, can handle pressure passing situations.
Who do you think is in this tier? This couple
of names.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, this is where I'd go.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I'd put Golf in here, I'd put Justin Herbert in here. Uh,
probably Jalen hurts you and I both think that he's
a little overlooked at times.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I think we overlooked Baker Mayfield. They have Jaden Daniels
at six.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh that's it. Yeah, Okay, that wasn't a mission by me. Yes,
which is.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
No, I didn't expect you to name all of them.
The guys you named are all in this in this tier. Okay,
you're right. So Jaden Daniels is at six. They've got
Justin Herbert at seven. That surprises me just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Somebody said he's a click slower than some of the elites,
but he's an absolute stud. A lot of people have
him as an automatic one. I want him to take it.
It seems like he is almost there, but he hasn't
really done it. He's a little bit robotic, you can
tell the way he processes everything is a click slower
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than some of the elites.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Do you think people are souring on him a little bit?
Do you think that's the consensus?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And do you think that's fair? Because I do.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I really like him. I think he's like if if
you told me my team was quarterback by not talking
about fantasy football, if you told me my team was
quarterback by Justin Herbert, I would feel like I have
a top ten quarterback. Okay, so is the elite? No,
I don't believe he is now before you and I
(09:00):
can say definitively and you said it first. But what
is it you don't like about him? Well?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And this is where it gets tricky, because you know,
I really like Lamar Jackson, but he hasn't won in
the playoffs. Justin Herbert, a lot of the knocks are
the playoff performances, and how much of that is his fault?
I don't know. We could talk all day about that,
but it sounds to me like shep. You don't have
a huge problem with him being in Tier two. Maybe
at being seven some of the guys he's ahead of,
(09:30):
maybe right, you have more of a gripe with but
not being in tier two.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That's what I would say. I would have a problem
with him being at seven, but I have no problem
with him being in tier two. What do you have
twenty three touchdowns and three picks last year something like that,
something crazy like that. Yeah, eleven, Yeah, they won eleven games.
He threw for four thousand yards, and I think he
had twenty three and three anyway. Bottom line is he's
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at seven, one ahead of Jared Goff. Here's what they
say about golf. Golf and Burrow are probably the two
best anticipation throwers that I have seen lately. So you
have to put him at a one, says one head coach.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That's high praise.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's really high praise. You might put him at two
from a pure quarterback standpoint. He struggles to extend plays.
But the guy has played at a one level for
three years now. If I asked you, Trent, which quarterback
in the NFL has the most touchdown passes thrown over
the last three years, who would you say?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I would guess Burrow, But he was heard a couple
of years, so I'd got is it golf?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It is Goff? Okay, ninety six?
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I would have guessed a guy like Burrow too. He
had forty three last year, right, Baker Mayfield had what
forty one last year? Something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
By the way, you did nail it with Justin Herbert,
just quickly. Twenty three touchdowns, three picks.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
We got it, yeah, twenty three and three. This is
what they say about golf. You will see this year
it is the coordinator is the coordinator or the quarterback,
But I think it has been more the quarterback than advertised.
At one executive, Goff and Mayfield are legit guys who
can get in a rhythm and dice you up. They
are not as good as the top guys in Tier one,
(11:15):
but they deserve to be up there. One voter said
he's a three because he needs the run game, he
needs a defense, he needs all those things. Can you
tell me I don't want to get defensive here for
Jared Goff. I think he's in the right tier. Can
you tell me a quarterback who doesn't need a defense?
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, Joe Burrow would take a good defense.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Just an average one based on last year, You're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's the prime example.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And they're gonna have a problem with it this year too,
at least from all intensive purposes. It seems like it.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Have they played their ones against Phillies backups in the
preseason and got rolled?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, yeah. Concerning it's really.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
One defensive coordinator said, Goff has definitely grown over the
last couple of years. Early in his career. If you
got to him just to be a dropback quarterback, he
would make a lot more mistakes. He's better in that
area as far as protecting the football. He has a
good run game, they have a good team. I'm not
going to hold that against him too much. I think
that's a really fair point behind Goff at eight. This
(12:24):
is again trying not to be too CJ. Stroud and
Jalen Hurts. CJ Stroud after two years and who had
an oka season last year against Jalen Hurts, who's been
to the super Bowl twice and outplayed Patrick Mahomes twice
(12:47):
in those big games. I don't That to me is strange.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Yeah, that one I don't get because they're almost putting
us in a tough spot as people who talk about
these things and dissect these things, because it puts you
in a position where you have to tear down out
to build up Jalen Hurts. And right, that's not necessarily fair.
But I just think Jalen Hurts is so slept on SHEP.
I don't know what more he's got to do. And
you and I have talked about that all offseason.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Here's what one defensive coordinator put And I think it's
a fair point. Doesn't mean that I hold it firmly
against him, and I think he's in the right tier.
I just think he should be higher than nine. Okay,
they say he does everything the right way for how
they have been built. I see him as a really
good player on a team with a bunch of really
good players. Is that a fair point?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
But again, that's where maybe it is. Maybe it isn't,
But again that's where it's like, is it Jalen Hurts
fault that they have a really good ownership group, and
they have a really good front office, and they have
a really good roster, Like, is it Jalen Hurts fault?
Speaker 1 (13:48):
No? I don't think that canalize him for it. But
I don't think they're penalizing him. But they're just not
rewarding him. They're saying that I think in so many words,
they're saying, he's a really good player. But only five
times last year he attempted thirty passes in.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
A game, right, Like, does he really have the opportunity
to go prove that he is one of the best
players on that team or is it just to.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Sound like you're penalizing him because that was a good
word to use. But he's behind the best offensive line
in football handing off to the best back in football,
with three outstanding weapons in football, on a hell of
a defense.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
In football, and probably a top three roster.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, and top top three roster. Yeah, he's one of
I don't again, you and I both are an agreement.
I don't think he gets nearly enough credit. However, it's
a fair point that he is. Like, we talk about
system quarterbacks all the time. How come Jalen hurts and
I'm asking myself this, this is a knock on. How
(14:53):
come I don't think he's a system quarterback? Turning, give
to Sakwon Barkley, turn and play action to Saquon Barkley,
throw to AJ Brown, DeVante Smith, push, push, push, I
mean really.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, you're right, Chep. I guess it can be tricky
to not overcorrect. You know, you and I both think
he's maybe a little disrespected or slighted or overlooked. But
that doesn't mean that you have to go overboard and
say that he is in Tier one.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
He's a Josh winner, He's a winner. Here's what one
defensive coordinator said. They tried to throw it more early
in the year. He couldn't do that, so they said,
screw it. Run the ball forty times a game, I
give Hurts a two. He's a good player. One GM
said it's a tough one. I think he's a three.
As in Tier three. They are very talented around him.
(15:41):
He's not as consistent as a passer. They have a
strong defense, great playmakers, great offensive line. He is able
to function that way, but I don't know that he
is one of the one that elevates them that is
not a slight Right behind him, by the way, Bag Mayfield.
They've got Dak Prescott ahead of Jordan Love, which is
(16:05):
very interesting, and then Brock Purdy the Tier three real
quick Kyler Murray Tran's favorite player Aaron Rodgers two A
tongue of Aloa, Trevor Lawrence, Gino Smith bow Nick, Sam Darnold,
Drake May Caleb Williams, Bryce Young, Kirk Cousins, Boy oh boy,
Sam Darnold, Man, I know you don't like him. They
got him in the three. I guess one year doesn't
make a really good player.
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