June 13, 2025 • 7 mins
When young prospects and players are working their way up, how patient is the fanbase? And how patient SHOULD the fanbase be?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It doesn't take much for us to realize there's a
price for everybody. I wouldn't give up the prize pieces
in Detroit's farm system.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Neither would you.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
There's no reason to do that. I am a little surprised,
I will say this. I'm a little surprised that Max
Clark and Kevin McGonagall, for as good as they are
and especially for the seasons mcgonica lad four hits the
other night, are still in High A. I thought they
would be. I think I said before the season, I
thought they would be a double A by now. Okay,
(00:36):
maybe I said in middle of June or late June.
That's a fair expectation. Though, that's fair, I think. So
are you surprised they're there?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Are you surprised they're still in West Michigan? I am. Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm not saying to rush him for the sake of
rushing sake. Okay, it's not like the Tigers need Kevin
McGonagall right now, because you don't know what he's going
to be like, right all right, you're just talking about
the es is in the minor leagues. Doesn't mean he's
going to be good in the major leagues. I hope
we all understand that. And if you if you're wondering
(01:10):
about that, Hello, Jays Young, we don't have to go far. Okay,
we do not have to go far to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That's a great example, Jase Young, because the fans loved
him last year and he's just simply not ready to play.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Doesn't seem like it, and you could you could actually
say that he's a tradable piece because of some of
the other young guys. I'll give you another example. And
this is kind of like I get it. It's geeky.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Do you know who Jordan Walker is?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, Jordan Walker is a first round pick of the
Saint Louis Cardinals. Came out of high school, but still
in twenty twenty, he was the guy for Saint Louis.
He was going to take over whatever outfield spot they
want to put him in and be the guy in
the middle of their lineup. Everybody wanted to see him.
(02:07):
Made his debut at age twenty one and did well.
Hit two seventy six, showed some power, had sixteen bombs,
drove in fifty one for Saint Louis. The next year
two h one, this year two fifteen, super hard it's
(02:32):
just so more difficult than any of us, including yours,
truly can comprehend. Sometimes the challenge of getting to the
major leagues, sticking in the major leagues is really hard.
And remember, this is a guy who showed really good
power and very good hitting skills in the minor leagues,
(02:59):
slugging over four one hundred, well over four hundred, because
four hundred isn't great.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
In Double A he slugged five ten, hit three oh six,
had nineteen bombs from Memphis, And that, supposedly, we always
hear that is I'm sorry for Springfield. Memphis, I think
is their Triple A team. That is always the barometer.
That's what they always say. Double A is really hard, right,
(03:24):
that's what we hear. Triple A is full of a
lot of veterans who've been there before but can't make
it to the next level.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Double A the equivalent of.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
A kill Badou. With all due respect because I like him,
he's a nice guy. But people say, oh, you're a
four A player. That's what it is. You're stuck on
Triple A. You get a sniff of the major leagues,
you go back down to Triple A, and you're just
left there to play for a while, and this is
who you're going to be. You're you're not going to
be an everyday major leaguer, You're not going to stick
and state. You're the guy on the bubble who they're
(03:56):
willing to say. You know what, we're bringing up this dude,
you've got mores, You're gone.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's what he is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That's what the four A player is. Jordan Walker was
really good at double A, had a little bit of
an adjustment at Triple A, but not so much where
Saint Louis didn't believe and it's a well run organization,
didn't believe he should be at the next level. First
year good, next two years stinks. And now you know
what the word is in Saint Louis. Is this guy
worth it?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Right? Is he going to be good enough? How quick
the tables turn?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's and you know what, And by the way, he's
twenty three. So we give up on players so quickly,
but we always want to see the young guys. How
many times have you talked to your buddies, Trent, and
they said, man, I can't wait to see Max Clark.
I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Every day, every single day.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
They used to say the same thing about Riley Green
and Parker Meadows and Spencer Torkolsen and Trek schoobl and
Casey Miz and Matt Manning and all these guys.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right, they go a whole new way.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, Yeah, you all want to see him, then how
long does it take for you to go I'm done
with them. That's what they're doing in Saint Louis with
Jordan Walker. Perhaps I'm not saying all everybody is. Perhaps
a lot of people are saying that about Jase Young.
I mean, I'll stick my hand up. I was done
with tork after last year.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You and I talked about that. Yeah, So, I mean
I'm guilty of that too.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I'm I'm not in the habit of doing that
with young players.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I know you're not.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm saying I was wrong about that because Spencer Torklsen
has seemingly figured it out seemingly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I don't know how long. It's up to the individual.
It's up to you, it's up to your buddies, it's
up to me, it's up to your grandfather. How long
is enough for you to get convinced that's what you
and it's different for everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It might be different with different players too. Sure, Okay, absolutely,
I don't case my case basis.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Sure, I don't know if I'm convinced yet. With Asar Thompson,
I don't. But we're pretty convinced with Kate Cunningham, aren't
we Absolutely right? So a lot of varies. I understand that,
But sometimes it's really important to look outside your own organization.
Jordan Walker is a really good player, man, really highly
(06:07):
thought of. Hasn't been working out for him. I'm not
saying that Saint Lui should give up, but he's twenty three.
Would you want somebody giving up on you at age
twenty three, twenty four to twenty five?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Now have you learned since that time? But that would
feel very unfair, Yes, it would, wouldn't it. Yeah, you'd
feel shorted, and you should feel shorted, especially if you've
got talent and you think you can do it. All
I'm asking is we've got to be careful sometimes when
(06:39):
it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Let me come into my own before we pass judgment.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Fair enough, Although with Jordan Walker, you would have thought
he came into his own in his rookie year when
he had those numbers. If you were looking at Spencer Torkelsen,
you would have thought he came into his own two
years ago thirty one and ninety four Trent.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
YEP and then last last back year, and that's where
people like me were like, I'm done with them.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Right, because it's what have you noticed lately?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And by the way, the thirty one and ninety four
came in a crap season last year. That team proved
it could win without him. That reinforces your belief and
understandably so for me, it was way too early.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm also fortunate that I was able to talk with
scouts and members of the front office and they convinced
me he's not broken, he can get fixed, He's okay.
It doesn't take much for us to realize there's a
price for everybody. I wouldn't give up the prize pieces
in Detroit's farm system.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Neither would you.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
There's no reason to do that. I am a little surprised,
I will say this. I'm a little surprised that Max
Clark and Kevin McGonagall, for as good as they are
and especially for the seasons mcgonica lad four hits the
other night, are still in High A. I thought they
would be. I think I said before the season, I
thought they would be a double A by now. Okay,
(00:36):
maybe I said in middle of June or late June.
That's a fair expectation. Though, that's fair, I think. So
are you surprised they're there?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Are you surprised they're still in West Michigan? I am. Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm not saying to rush him for the sake of
rushing sake. Okay, it's not like the Tigers need Kevin
McGonagall right now, because you don't know what he's going
to be like, right all right, you're just talking about
the es is in the minor leagues. Doesn't mean he's
going to be good in the major leagues. I hope
we all understand that. And if you if you're wondering
(01:10):
about that, Hello, Jays Young, we don't have to go far. Okay,
we do not have to go far to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That's a great example, Jase Young, because the fans loved
him last year and he's just simply not ready to play.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Doesn't seem like it, and you could you could actually
say that he's a tradable piece because of some of
the other young guys. I'll give you another example. And
this is kind of like I get it. It's geeky.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Do you know who Jordan Walker is?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, Jordan Walker is a first round pick of the
Saint Louis Cardinals. Came out of high school, but still
in twenty twenty, he was the guy for Saint Louis.
He was going to take over whatever outfield spot they
want to put him in and be the guy in
the middle of their lineup. Everybody wanted to see him.
(02:07):
Made his debut at age twenty one and did well.
Hit two seventy six, showed some power, had sixteen bombs,
drove in fifty one for Saint Louis. The next year
two h one, this year two fifteen, super hard it's
(02:32):
just so more difficult than any of us, including yours,
truly can comprehend. Sometimes the challenge of getting to the
major leagues, sticking in the major leagues is really hard.
And remember, this is a guy who showed really good
power and very good hitting skills in the minor leagues,
(02:59):
slugging over four one hundred, well over four hundred, because
four hundred isn't great.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
In Double A he slugged five ten, hit three oh six,
had nineteen bombs from Memphis, And that, supposedly, we always
hear that is I'm sorry for Springfield. Memphis, I think
is their Triple A team. That is always the barometer.
That's what they always say. Double A is really hard, right,
(03:24):
that's what we hear. Triple A is full of a
lot of veterans who've been there before but can't make
it to the next level.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Double A the equivalent of.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
A kill Badou. With all due respect because I like him,
he's a nice guy. But people say, oh, you're a
four A player. That's what it is. You're stuck on
Triple A. You get a sniff of the major leagues,
you go back down to Triple A, and you're just
left there to play for a while, and this is
who you're going to be. You're you're not going to
be an everyday major leaguer, You're not going to stick
and state. You're the guy on the bubble who they're
(03:56):
willing to say. You know what, we're bringing up this dude,
you've got mores, You're gone.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
That's what he is.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That's what the four A player is. Jordan Walker was
really good at double A, had a little bit of
an adjustment at Triple A, but not so much where
Saint Louis didn't believe and it's a well run organization,
didn't believe he should be at the next level. First
year good, next two years stinks. And now you know
what the word is in Saint Louis. Is this guy
worth it?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Right? Is he going to be good enough? How quick
the tables turn?
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's and you know what, And by the way, he's
twenty three. So we give up on players so quickly,
but we always want to see the young guys. How
many times have you talked to your buddies, Trent, and
they said, man, I can't wait to see Max Clark.
I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Every day, every single day.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
They used to say the same thing about Riley Green
and Parker Meadows and Spencer Torkolsen and Trek schoobl and
Casey Miz and Matt Manning and all these guys.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Right, they go a whole new way.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, Yeah, you all want to see him, then how
long does it take for you to go I'm done
with them. That's what they're doing in Saint Louis with
Jordan Walker. Perhaps I'm not saying all everybody is. Perhaps
a lot of people are saying that about Jase Young.
I mean, I'll stick my hand up. I was done
with tork after last year.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You know that.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You and I talked about that. Yeah, So, I mean
I'm guilty of that too.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, I'm I'm not in the habit of doing that
with young players.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I know you're not.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I'm saying I was wrong about that because Spencer Torklsen
has seemingly figured it out seemingly.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I don't know how long. It's up to the individual.
It's up to you, it's up to your buddies, it's
up to me, it's up to your grandfather. How long
is enough for you to get convinced that's what you
and it's different for everybody.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It might be different with different players too. Sure, Okay, absolutely,
I don't case my case basis.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Sure, I don't know if I'm convinced yet. With Asar Thompson,
I don't. But we're pretty convinced with Kate Cunningham, aren't
we Absolutely right? So a lot of varies. I understand that,
But sometimes it's really important to look outside your own organization.
Jordan Walker is a really good player, man, really highly
(06:07):
thought of. Hasn't been working out for him. I'm not
saying that Saint Lui should give up, but he's twenty three.
Would you want somebody giving up on you at age
twenty three, twenty four to twenty five?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Now have you learned since that time? But that would
feel very unfair, Yes, it would, wouldn't it. Yeah, you'd
feel shorted, and you should feel shorted, especially if you've
got talent and you think you can do it. All
I'm asking is we've got to be careful sometimes when
(06:39):
it comes to this stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Let me come into my own before we pass judgment.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Fair enough, Although with Jordan Walker, you would have thought
he came into his own in his rookie year when
he had those numbers. If you were looking at Spencer Torkelsen,
you would have thought he came into his own two
years ago thirty one and ninety four Trent.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
YEP and then last last back year, and that's where
people like me were like, I'm done with them.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Right, because it's what have you noticed lately?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
And by the way, the thirty one and ninety four
came in a crap season last year. That team proved
it could win without him. That reinforces your belief and
understandably so for me, it was way too early.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm also fortunate that I was able to talk with
scouts and members of the front office and they convinced
me he's not broken, he can get fixed, He's okay.
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