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October 1, 2025 • 16 mins
Jason Beck of MLB.com joins Shep to recap Tarik Skubal's gem in Game 1 of the Wild Card Round and look ahead to a closeout opportunity in Game 2. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tigers go for the sweep of the Guardians this afternoon.
Casey mais on the bump for a J. Hinching company
there in Cleveland, a progressive field after an impressive two
to one win yesterday, primarily because of Terrek Scoogle, Nobody
wrote a better article about the Jason Beck loveless watching
his videos, love listening to him on various shows, and

(00:20):
love reading him because you always learn something. He writes
for MLB dot com and he joins us here on
Exis and Bros. Jason, great to be with you. Loved
the article yesterday on MLB dot com. You've seen so
much baseball in your life. I don't want to be
too hyperbolic here, so talk me off a ledge. It's
one of, if not the most impressive outings I have

(00:42):
seen in a Tiger's postseason career. How about you.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, you know what I was weighing the last night,
and I think I know I referenced it in the articles,
things like not even Berlander when he went to Oakland
and eliminated the A in back to back series. You know,
added outing like that. Certainly in terms of strike that's
but also you know, just in terms of you know,

(01:10):
dominating the flow of that game. I mean, everything went
through school and also that you know, we've seen him
throw one hundred and we've seen him do it early
in games. We've seen him do it late in games.
I don't know if I've seen an outing like that
where he's done it throughout an outing and you saw him.

(01:34):
You saw him hit it early on when the first shitting,
you know, third batter, and you're thinking, oh, you know,
I wonder if he'll be able to sustain this. He
only sustained it. You know, he picked up a notch
once the Tigers gave him the lead on that McKinstry bunt.
You know, it was really you know, that was the
most commanding performance I think I've seen from them in

(01:57):
the postseason. And in terms of you know, the stats.
You know, he tied the postseason record for strikeouts in
a game, you know, with Joe Coleman from the seventy
three Alcs or seventy two ALCS.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Sorry, how do you look at I think a lot
of times we get too caught up in strikeouts. You
and I have talked at length about the most important
thing about pitching, and a lot of it has to
do with soft contact quick outs as well, so that
pitch count stays at a rate that can allow him
to go in in games longer. When you when you

(02:32):
see besides the strikeouts, when you see what he did,
what else impressed you in his pitch mix?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
You know, the use of the slider that not only
to you know, get deception, but he got a lot
of called strikes and I think it's six of his
sixteen called strikes off the top of my head were
from the sliders. From looking up last night. Did change
was super effective, which you would kind of expect, you know,

(03:04):
when he's got his basketball humting life. It was last night.
But but it's not always automatic. So you know, the
guardians beat you, you you know, like you like you said,
you know, they usually foul pitches off, they run up
pitch counts and they don't necessarily beat you, but they
get you out of there earlier than you expect, and

(03:27):
then they beat the guy who comes after you. And
there was none of that, you know, when he had
that incredible you know, uh seventh inning and then he
didn't get that end of game handshake. You know that
spoke volumes. You know, he even said he was expecting it,
but a Jay said, you know, deciding he was going

(03:48):
to ride him for as long as he could. And
you know, for a J to say that is you know,
it takes a really special performance to get him out
of his normal bullpen usage like that.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I love that by him going as deep as he
went and in them only using vest for just fifteen pitches,
how much does that help AJ hinch that bullpen and
the rest of that team moving forward, maybe not just
for today, but for tomorrow if need be as well.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Oh it helps the ton Remember like Casey Miises last
out in Friday in Boston. You know, she looked dominant
for about the first two thirds, first two turns through
the lineup, and then once he got into that third
turn through, the Red Sox started to get to him,

(04:39):
and AJ started with him in part because that bullpen
was pretty tired and you know, he didn't have a
ton of choice, but he also wanted to give Casey
a little leeway. And it was during that stretch that
the Red Sox rallied and you know we're able to
eventually beat them. Having a arrested bullpen makes a world

(05:01):
of difference today, being able to kind of time Okay,
when's the right time to take Kasey out before they
start eventually catching up to him, And maybe it doesn't happen.
Maybe maybe Casey holds it throughout and he looks incredible.
But just having that option makes a world of difference.
And then once you get if you get to a

(05:23):
potential game three, you know, it's all hands on deck,
and being able to do that with a well rested bullpen,
you know, makes a ton of difference.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Uber talented MLB writer Jason Beck Joiner and his ser
on XS and bros Faum on Twitter at Beck Jason.
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, because as
much as I want to embrace the fourteen strikeouts and
the masterpiece that was Derek Scuble, it still remains Detroit
went one fre eight with runners in scoring position, and
the offense is struggling. And I love to be honest

(05:55):
with you giving credit to Gavin Williams. He deserves it
because he would. He did a hell of a job
for Cleveland too. Cannot be lost in the conversation. But
another part of this conversation does need to take place
about the offense. What's wrong with it? How does it
get fixed?

Speaker 2 (06:13):
You know? There's a lot of strikeouts going on there.
Maybe not as much, you know, this time as you
saw last week, but it's still a problem. And you
know the fact that Aj was willing to go to
the bunt, which he hates to do, to get that
go ahead run in says a lot about where this

(06:35):
offense is. They've they've got to be able to move
runners over more consistently, and then they have to get
them in and they're not having those at bats where
you know, they stay within the zone. You know, they
go up with a plan and stick to the plan
and then you know they get their pitch. You know,

(06:57):
it's and it's a big is when you get to
the postseason and the pitchers you see are more often
the guys like Dad Williams and less often the guys
at the back of a rotation that you can beat
up more easily. You know, you've got to be able to,
you know, grind out those at bats and somehow get

(07:18):
those runners around. And they were able to at least,
you know, more runners on base yesterday than they had
in some games last week. But you know, they've got
to get those guys moving and I'm kind of surprised
honestly that they haven't tried to do a little bit
more with the running game in terms of base ceiling,

(07:39):
in terms of it trying to test that defense. You know,
we finally started to see some cracks in that defense
that seemed like it had every you know, every square
inch of the outfield covered for the past couple of weeks,
and I was a little bit surprised that it didn't
try to do more to exploit that.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
What are what are the trends that maybe you're most
encouraged with, and how do you calm people down like
I have tried to calm them down when it comes
to the Tigers need to bunt more because they're not
hitting the ball, so they've got to try something. I'd
love to know your response to that, and I'll tell
you what mine was.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
After I think you're starting to see guys who normally
try to do too much not try to do too much.
You know, if you think of what you know, Hobby's had,
you know, a good stretcher the last five games or so,
and if you think back to the hits we've been
seeing from him, a lot of it is are these

(08:39):
opposite field round balls and line drives he's not swinging
for the fences every time, although he did that a
little hit there, you know, near the end in Boston.
But you know you're seeing him recognize. Okay, you know
what's the most realistic, productive at beat I can have
here in this situation. And if Hobby's able and willing

(09:02):
to do that, the rest of that lineup should be
wrong and able to do that as well. And he
talked about it Saturday after they clinch. Is that, you know,
yah yah, we haven't been able to play our type
of game consistently and we need to get back to
doing that. And when Hobby says that, I think that
speaks volumes because Hobby commands a lot of respect that

(09:22):
in that locker room.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, I agree with you. Look, I've said this. You
can't be somebody who you aren't. Okay, that's first and
foremost and second of all, with all due respect to
the players, you might have a couple of guys who
can bunt. Zach McKinstry can bunt, and AJ Hinch put
his guy in a situation where he can succeed and

(09:44):
his team succeeded Parker Metals. How many guys do you
truly trust to get up there and start bunting when
they haven't bunted all year long. Five sacrifice bunts all
season long. It just doesn't make any sense, right.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, Yeah, andrewmi Jones, he's kind of a thinking bunnered there.
You know, that's something that's in his toolbox that we
haven't seen yet. And you know, don't be surprised if
he tries to do something here. Now. He has to
get the opportunity, which means that matchup against the LEFTI
has got to come around. And that's partly why we
haven't seen it a lot, is usually he's in that

(10:18):
favorable matchup where he can swing for the fences. But
but yeah, like you know what with Parker, I am
kind of surprised that we didn't see that bunch from
Meadows yesterday. You know, you kind of you're watching that bat,
you kind of you see it, and you know, maybe
going through his mind, you know, maybe this is the
opportunity you're watching to see where was the ra marriage

(10:41):
is playing them him there at their base, and you know,
you know he's tempted, and you know, you know he
you know, he wants to get a ball and play
and put his legs to work, so you know that
might be something we see today as well from from him.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I think we're both pretty confident this this team is
going to beat Cleveland. I think they're just a better team,
and sometimes the better team does win. I had them
winning in three. We'll see if it happens or not.
But if they do, they move on to take on Seattle.
The lineup has to get longer because the teams like Toronto,
like Seattle, like New York, even though they're down one nothing,

(11:18):
all those teams, their lineups are just better offensively. So
A J. Hinches has got to do something. Is there
anything that surprised you during this seven and seventeen month
of September offensively? And is there anything you've seen that
leads you to believe they can get back to where

(11:39):
the offense was in May and June.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I've been surprised at the struggles of Riley Green, and
I know he's had an up and down season in general,
but I kind of figured by this point we'd be
seeing him kind of dig his way out of it.
And you know, he just he's being pitched tough, and
it looks like he's really struggling to adapt to that

(12:06):
and sometimes he looks like he's fighting himself. You know,
it's not that he doesn't care. You know, maybe he
even cares too much. But you know, given the timings
of his of the ebisode flows of his season, I'm
surprised these struggles have gone on as long as they have.
And also, you know, I've been surprised that we've seen

(12:30):
Labor kind of caught in between on some on some
pitches there, and and you know, lastly, he's surprised how
many times Carry Carpenter gets caught in between. Now, you know,
I had beene in to him, oh you know, maybe
like a month or months, six weeks ago, did like
you almost never see him check swaying and almost felt

(12:52):
like a product of his approach to where when he
commits to a pitch, you know he's all in on
it and he goes he doesn't kind of you know,
it doesn't you know, he rarely tries to check his
swing in between. And we've seen more of him, you know,
maybe since then, maybe I've you know, accidentally planning the
idea in his head that you know, we've seen him
check swing more and end up you know, going around

(13:13):
on pitches where you know he doesn't fully commit.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
What'll be important today? Behind Casey Mice. Do you think
a guy who's you know, he's had good success against
Cleveland this year, want to know, in a couple of starts,
seventeen in the third innings, eighteen punch outs in those starts,
So he's got the strike out stuff working against him
as well. But overall, what do you think needs to
happen for them to sweep Cleveland?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Well? Yeah, you know, he's got to be able to
get soft contact and the defense has got to play
well behind him. You know, I know the strike out
reag's been up, but you know, asking him about it yesterday,
you know, he said, you know, with this lineup and
reputation they have for being a tough lineup to strike

(13:58):
out at times, you've got to be able to think
creatively and maybe get out of that mindset of how
do I finish guys off with the strikeout and instead
think of how do I how do I finishing guys
off with you know, soft contact and play and then
not have those extended at pads that short my outing,

(14:20):
you know, and if he's openly talking about that, then
that's got to be something present there where you know,
the defenses has got to be on alert and have
a good game behind them.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yeah, it's an excellent point. Last thing before I let
you go, Jason, I appreciated JASONBECKMLB dot com joining his
pham on Twitter at Beck Jason. When people look at
this season and it's far from over, we hope, But
when they look at the season, they're they're concentrating on
the quote un quote collapse, whether you think it's the

(14:52):
right word or not. Seven and seventeen in September and
losing a fourteen game lead in early July fifteen and
a half to Cleveland. What do you think the Tigers
need to accomplish in the postseason in order for people
to let that narrative go.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, I think they end up in the division series.
You know, that's a good step because then you get
back to the point where you expected these guys this
postseason to begin. You know, we kind of figured that,
you know, they would get either the one or the
two seed and get a buy through this round, and
they didn't get it. And not only that, they didn't

(15:28):
get a home, you know, field advantage in the wildcard series.
If you get back to the division series, then the
thing's kind of reset. Granted, you'll be on the road
in Seattle, but at least you'll be at that step
where you're at, and then if you can get past
there and get to the ALCS, then I think we're

(15:50):
really talking where you know, this is a big step
for this then you've gone further than you did last
year and you end up with you know, you can
look at the season as another step forward rather than
necessarily what might have been.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
It's great stuff. Jason always appreciates you and all the
hard work that you put in day to day covering
the Tigers and keeping us informed and keeping talk radio
shows the opportunity to learn a little bit more and
educate the listening audience. Have a great rest of the postseason,
and we'll be reading Jason Beck at MLB dot com.
Have a great day, Bud, Thanks you too, Chef.
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