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June 2, 2025 • 17 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think there's a common I oftentimes feel the same
way here, a common belief that if a team gets close,
they're going to follow use that experience for their benefit
the following season and win it all and or go further,

(00:22):
maybe not win it all, but go further. And I
think that can be a little dangerous and misleading. We
tend to gravitated towards that belief for a few different reasons.
First of all, we saw it with the Detroit Pistons.

(00:42):
We felt like a Boston is in the way they
were teaching us valuable lessons. When I say us, I
mean as a as a fan base, right, they were
teaching us valuable lessons, and we believe that, you know,
this is a team that eventually is going to get
there because you got to believe in him first, so
we think they're going to get there. They just had

(01:04):
to get by a team that was already playoff savvy
in championship worthy. We saw it with the Bulls against
the Pistons as well, that they had to get by
Detroit in order to do that. And there are I
think a number of instances and examples where you can
look at it just the opposite. I'll give you an example,

(01:25):
Red when He's in nineteen ninety five played the New
Jersey Devils in the Stanley Cup Finals and were swept.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I covered it.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
I was there, Never forget Joe Louis Arena, down to nothing,
lost the first two games at home. I'm standing in
the back and I'm standing next to a couple of
writers who were New Jersey based, or at least covering
it from a Devil's standpoint, could have.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Been New York.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
And one leans over to the other and says, we're
not coming back here. He was convinced that it was
going to be a sweep. And I know I was young, stupid.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I looked at it and I go, oh, yeah, you are.
You'll be back.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
In the words of Kevin James and Kim Queen's, I
could not be more runner.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
So I was way off base there.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
The next year, you figure, okay, they're going to use
this as as a learning experience. They knew what it
took to get to the Stanley Cup finals. The next
year they're not knocking on the door or they're kicking
it in. And what happened, Well, they won sixty two games,

(02:36):
one hundred and thirty one points. They set the record
at the time, the NHL record. Boston has since surpassed that.
But they set the NHL record for most points in
most wins with one hundred and thirty one, set a
franchise record. Lost in the conference finals. How'd that help them?

(02:57):
How did losing in the Stanley Cup finals helped them?
The following year they did win the Standing Cup, so
maybe it was part of it. Okay, but the very
following year that did not happen. Okay, We've seen it
in baseball, We've seen it. There's so many examples as ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I was reading an article over the weekend ranking twelve
NFL teams most likely to win the first Super Bowl,
and I literally thought, I mean, like an idiot, I thought, Okay,
number one has got to be Detroit, right, I mean,
fifteen wins a year ago, really good team, everybody back
for the most part, key positions back, all that stuff.

(03:41):
They ranked them one through twelve. Number one they've got
as the Buffalo Bills. Now I'm not saying that's right.
I'm just saying, here's what they write, because remember they've
they've go and they are the ultimate example of this.
Are they not the Buffalo Bills are the ultimate exc
when you look at it. When you look at the

(04:04):
Buffalo Bills and you think lesson learned? You would have
guessed by now that that team, that city would have
been celebrating at least one Super Bowl, right I would.
I would have guessed it year rating, year out under

(04:24):
Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, some of the best defensive players
of their generation, Bruce Smith for sure, Cornelius Bennett, and
went to the Super Bowl in nineteen ninety. They went
thirteen and three during the regular season and lost. Following
year thirteen and three went to the Super Bowl lost.

(04:44):
Following year eleven and five went to the Super.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Bowl and lost.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Next year twelve and four went to the Super Bowl
and lost, and then went under five hundred. Where was
the learning lesson? They've got Buffalo as number one, playing
with fire and you're bound to get burned. The Bills
have made a record time for Super Bowls without actually
winning one of their current regime, mirroring that close call

(05:11):
identity Josh Allen Sean McDermott making six straight Playoff appearances,
claiming zero AFC titles.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I don't need to read the whole thing, but that's
the gist of it.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
And I looked at it and I thought, yeah, that
makes sense, right. I mean, they've got the best player.
If you looked at and they beat Detroit rather handily
last year, Not that that always is the final indicator,
but if you looked at those two teams, he said,
who's got the best player? I think Detroit's got the
best depth and the best team. Of course I would
have been wrong last year, but Buffalo's got the best player.

(05:43):
Josh Allen's the best player.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Okay. Number two they do have is Detroit. And here's
what they're right.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
There's a case to be made that the Lions have
already peaked in their current form. I guess fifteen to
two would be peak. That would be the That doesn't
mean that they can't go further than a playoff early exit,
but fifteen to two it's pretty tough to be I.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Think that's what they're referring to was the record. At
least that's how I'm quandering. They said.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Squandering a number one seed in twenty twenty four and
then losing both of their top coordinators to other jobs.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
A lot is made of that, isn't it. I mean,
it's amazing how.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Much is made of that, and they say still, it's
hard to deny the talent that helped them go from
nine to twelve to fifteen wins over Dan Campbell's last
three seasons. Jared Goff may need to find an extra
gear in January to reach a second career play Super Bowl,
but his skill support is still elite. Jammy or Gibbs,
I'm on Ross, Saint Brown, Jamison Williams, Sam Laporta. It's

(06:45):
interesting they didn't bring up David Montgomery and Campbell won't
lose his aggressive touch just because Ben Johnson is no
longer holding a clipboard for him. John Morton, he knows well.
John Morton from the area, which is pretty awesome. Went
to Avendeale High School, a guy who was pretty damn
good for Denver a year ago. Look At what he

(07:06):
did for the Broncos and how comfortable Bone Nicks looked.
Jared Goff isn't the same. But I don't worry about that.
I think there is a there's a familiarity that will
be gained you, and it will be gained quickly. We'll
soon find out. But I found that interesting. Then I
remembered what Jamison Williams said over the weekend too, and

(07:27):
that is that well teams have teams like Detroit, based
on what they experienced a year ago, are going to
play with a chip on their shoulder. Listen to what
he said at OTAs.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I wouldn't say I'll change anything. You know, ever since
I've been installed into working hard as a kid. You know,
with my pops, I always had the same mind says,
you know, just go out there and be the best,
work the hardest. My dad, he always takes me like,
I'll work everybody, no matter who it is, ill work everybody.
So you know, this is my mentality. I guess it's
going into your flour. You know, I got a little

(08:06):
peppy my stuff. You know, I'm becoming a ved moving
over from a rookie stage, and you know, I'm just
ready to play more football.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
That's good. It's really good stuff. Let's hope that's the case.
I don't want to say he's taking it more seriously.
That's not necessarily fair because I think, you know, guys
do take it seriously when they first come into the league. Now,
some of his actions would tell you otherwise. I'm not
going to claim that he's going to be the next

(08:33):
you know, Anthony Edwards, no one's going to work harder
than me in the off season. Oh that's good to know. Okay,
thank you, thanks for the little lip service. Let us
decide that when we see you play next year, number
one and number two, my hope would be that's your
attitude every year.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Right in the offseason.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
John Morton, the new offensive coordinator, has predicted a breakout
year for Jamison Williams. He figures that he has noticed
how he has gotten stronger but still remained as fast
as he is. The new line's offensive coordinator is expecting big,
big things from one of his prize wideouts. Here he

(09:16):
is talking about it.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
You know when I first got here and he came
in to see me and we had a chat, and
this is how I'm painted a picture. This is what
you need to do. This is how I this is
how I say it. He has been unbelievable, unbelievable and
the meeting's attention to detail. I mean, I'm so excited

(09:38):
and to see him this year, it's going to be
a breakout year for him.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So I can't wait. That's super exciting.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
I mean, if you were to say and look, that
should put every other team Detroit plays on notice. And
I know they've got a daunting schedule, second hardest schedule
in all the football, hardest road schedule that perhaps we've
ever seen. But you talk about excitement, and maybe I'm

(10:09):
getting way too ahead of myself here, and maybe the
expectation was much lower. I've been critical of Jamison Williams
for a couple of years now, and I think with justification,
I have not been excited about him because I think
there are other guys who do things a lot a lot,

(10:32):
do things well, more consistently, and do it the right way.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Who's the you know, what's the right way? Though?

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Shi, Yeah, my way. That doesn't make it the right way.
That's bull crap, Okay, I or any other talk show
host shouldn't necessarily be talking like that. But I don't
like the little nuances that he sometimes adds that creates
a little bit of a scare, a dangerous situation, more

(11:02):
about him than it is the team. Those types of things, celebrations,
who cares, you know, make sure you get to the
M zone before you celebrate.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
The one thing I would note, though, and I've said
this consistently about jameson Williams. What's really really impressive is
his willingness and ability to block downfield. He seems to
get it in that regard. Last year was a career
year for him. Last year he was the guy you

(11:34):
expected him to be. Last year was the guy the
reason they had so much faith in taking.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Him in the first round.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
But you know, career high end receptions fifty nine something
like that, receiving yards, touchdowns ATDs one, rushing touchdown nine
t d's overall gives you something that many people have
said for a couple of years now, nobody else gives
you on this roster.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
I hear that, and my immediate thought is who else
gives you what jimior Gibbs gives you? Who else gives
you what Sam Laporta gives you? Who else gives you
what A'man Ross Saint Brown gives you. I've always found
that interesting. You know, it's as if nobody else can
do what Jamison Williams can do. Okay, if you want

(12:27):
to grant them that, go ahead, But what about the
other guys I just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, there's other guys. Just so you know that applies
to as well.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
Just so you know there's nobody else on the team
that can do what Jared Goff does. There's nobody else
on that team that can do what Penney Suel does.
There's nobody else on that team can do what Aiden
Hutchinson does. Okay, That's what makes this team really good,
really strong, and one of the favorites to win it all.

(12:54):
They have a number of guys who have unique skill
sets that nobody else possesses on that team. Seriously, I
mean the guys we just mentioned. Is there another defensive
end that does what Aiden Hutchinson does? Just I'm just asking, Well,
they're talking about ny Sewel being a guy who nobody

(13:16):
else in the league can do what he does. Let
alone the team, right, Jamiir Gibbs is a unique player,
Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Dynamic?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Absolutely dynamic, forget the nickname. He can do things that
not many other guys in the league can do. Maybe
a handful, maybe maybe b John Robinson, maybe Sakwon Barkley.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
There's not many.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Guys who can do what he does, okay, And there's
new guys coming in on a regular basis. Maybe some
of the best running backs being drafted. Maybe Ashton Genty
can do that.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I know right now not many can do what Jamiir
Gibbs does. How many other guys on the team can
do that? Nobody? Okay, so stop with the whole. Jamison
Williams brings the Lions something that they don't have. I know,
so do all these other guys. That's what makes him
really really good. Credit where credit is due. He has grown.
I expected it faster. That doesn't mean that I should

(14:11):
take away from what he has done and how he
has progressed. He deserves to be recognized for that. He
deserves to be given accolades for something like that. Again,
I wish it had come a little bit earlier, but

(14:31):
I think it's really cool he said this. I felt
more hurt losing to San Francisco than I did to
the Commanders because it was just one game away. It
was one play away. I guess we got a chip
on our shoulder. Everybody remembers it, but we're not dwelling
on it.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, wait a.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Minute, when you say you've got a chip on your
shoulder from two years.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Ago, how did that? Do we use that?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Or how did you use that? How do we recognize that?
Last year the fifteen wins. Okay, how about the loss
to Washington. Where was the chip on your shoulder when
you got ready for Washington and got pounded by Washington
in your first playoff game? Where was it?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
So that kind of chip on the shoulder stuff drives
me crazy. It does.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
And for him to say he hurts more, I get why.
But last year was more stunning than anything else. Last
year was the year everybody thought you were going to
use that quote unquote chip, use your home field advantage,

(15:51):
use your experience from the year before, and take advantage
of it, and you didn't do it. You're trying to
convince me you're going to play with a chip on
your shoulder because of what happened in San Francisco two
years ago, when that wasn't evident enough at the right
time anyway, a year ago. That's why some of these

(16:15):
cliches for me fall on deaf ears. Yes they've got
a long season ahead, Yes they've got a ton of
big games. Yes you have to move forward. There's no
question when you return ten of eleven starters and the

(16:36):
starter you don't return, who was Kevin Zeitler, a really
good guard is going to be replaced with a high
draft pick. There are no excuses. I don't care if
it's John Morton taken over for Ben Johnson or what.
The only excuse you could possibly envision would be dude injury.

(17:03):
And remember this team went not a complete fifteen into
but they had a ton of wins without their best
defensive player a year ago. Losing a quarterback big difference.
Losing you know you're one of the more unique running
backs in all of football a difference as well.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
But I think you get my point.
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