April 25, 2025 • 9 mins
Mitch Lyons joins the show to discuss the Lions' 28th overall pick of Ohio State defensive tackle Tyleik Williams.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mitch Lyons knows what it's like to be drafted, he
knows what it's like to play in the NFL, and
he joins us here on Exus and Bros. Mitch, thanks
for the time. I appreciate it very much. You've did
a nice job last week of describing earlier this week,
describing what this week is like for these young guys.
What about the guys who weren't drafted in the first round?
(00:21):
Will Johnson should do her? Sanders throw up in my mouth?
Who thought they were going in Round one and still
have to wait? What are they going through? Do you
think what's their mindset?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well? I was more of a Day three guys chep,
so yeah. But for them, I mean, I gotta believe
it's just complete. I mean, especially Shader Sanders, who a
guy that's got maybe an ego kind of like his dad. Uh,
you know, it's disappointment, it's embarrassment, you know, and more
than anything, I think what it creates as a gigantic
(00:57):
chip on their shoulders for whoever gets them's going to
get a guy that's going to be pretty pretty motivated
to prove every team that passed them over. Yeah, that's
that's a pretty good point. Good thing. That's the good
thing if you're the team that gets them.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, that's that's a really good point. Mitche Lions from
mitge Lions wealth dot Com joining and is Remember the
book Retirement of Steel, Remember the documentary Retirement Deception, all
helping you prepare for retirement as you as you look
what the Lions did last night. Now, before I ask
you about Williams, let me ask you this. Do you
believe they're that cliche the defense wins championships? And if so,
(01:34):
how do we notice it as much as we probably
need to? Because it's a different NFL these days.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
As you know, I you know that's a that's a
great cliche, and you know it's deepens important. Yes, But
and I'll liken it to the Pistons game last night.
Every game, whether it's NFL NBA, and it's made up
of a whole bunch of single plays, right, And obviously
in the NFL, you're gonna have defensi player, you're gonna
(02:02):
have offensive player, you're gonna have a special teams plays
And coach Kawer used to say it, and I repeat
it a lot. It's guys, this game is going to
come down to four or five plays, and I wish
I could tell you which four or five they are.
But you have to play every game like it like
it's the one right. So whether it's you know, Jamison
Williams getting getting a fifty five yard touchdown because because
(02:23):
you know, one of the linemen made an extra blockdown
field or something like that, right to just give the
extra effort to make that one little play to make
a difference. Or whether it's a deep d tackle, uh,
stuff on a run you know in the first quarter,
that stuff the first down and got them off the field.
It's just it's made up a bunch of plays. That's
why I love watching football. I love watching game tape
(02:43):
and you see every little thing because every little thing
makes the difference. So you know, hey, whether they drafted
a quarterback, d tackle or whatever. I mean, that's the
ultimate team game. You got eleven guys that you're depending
on to to you know, tie it all together.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Every play you mentioned watching film. Tyler Williams is self
admittedly a film hog. Brad Holmes feels like he fits
in with the quote unquote culture. How important do you
think culture is and what do you think that culture
is as you watch the Lions from Afar.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, their their culture. Now It's it's hugely important, I believe,
because you know that guy coming in, I mean he
you know, especially when he's he already likes likes watching film.
That's a good sign for me because there are a
lot of guys that don't like watching it and they're
not going to put in an extra time. And usually
you know, they usually see the ramifications of that early
(03:36):
on in their career because they're just missing, missing assignments
or you know, just not playing at the highest level.
But as far as culture, I mean from Afar, they're
they're a lunch bucket, bring a flash late, uh you
know kind of kind of guy who they're going to
be there all night. And you know, that's the expectation
when you have the leaders like uh you know Brown
(03:56):
and Saint Brown and you know the you know, whether
it's shared goff watching film you know, after practice, it's
really hard for a young guy to not do that
when they see their superstars doing that or a fair fan.
If Saint Brown's out catching you know, however many balls
he catches every time, right and the jugs machine. If
he's doing that, how's a young guy not going to
do that. You know, it's the same thing on film.
(04:17):
If you're sitting there and you're watching your all pro
lineman bust his button run down the field twenty five
yards on a running play after he has already blocked
his guy right, but he's given the extra effort to
get down the field to help help block on a
long play or something. It's really hard for a rookie
not to do that in training camp when he's watching,
you know, the all Pro guy doing.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Who was that guy for you when you played? And
how did it impact you?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You know, for me it was it wasn't even a player.
He was a player, but he was older than but
my tight end coach in Pittsburgh, Mike Malarky, who later
went on to coach three NFL teams, that was just
his mindset. We had a lot in common. That's what
got me to Pittsburgh because he saw a film of
me in Atlanta playing to the whistle, playing with extra efford.
Wasn't a top athlete. I mean I had to play
that way. It was the way I played was how
(05:03):
coach Peerlis taught us how to play at Michigan State.
Played to the echo, of the whistle, and Mike played
that way, but he coached that way and he demanded
it of us. So you know, Mark Bruner was at
the other tight end in Pittsburgh. But that was just
kind of our thing. And we played to the whistle
and you tried to get you tried to get a
reaction after the guy. And if you if you give
this shove at the whistle and you got a look,
(05:24):
the look we called it, if the guy snapped his
head around to see who just pushed him. You know,
we get a little bonus point with people lit tally
throw a buck in, you know, here and there. Mike
could throw money in. Oh, I might be a salary
camp violation, but we have a little part at the
end of the year. But you know, if you got
somebody to swing it or something, now you're really rebnefiting
because you get under people's skin and you play like that,
you get them thinking about things they shouldn't be thinking about.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Twenty six picks of the first thirty two were from
either the SEC or the Big Ten. Both the SEC
and Big Ten had at least ten players chosen in
round one. How important do you think think it is
to draft guys from those types of conferences because of
the competition they see every single weekend.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think I think we're going to see more of
that as you go forward, and simply, I think with
it's NIL, the talent is going to go where the
money is. It's as simple as that. I think you're
going to see a lot more of that. But I
think it's you know, it's it's important, right, I mean,
that's those are the two premier leagues, and you know
you're going to have the best players there typically and
even more so now with NIL and for them to
(06:32):
play at that level. I always say, I mean when
I was in college, I played against pro guys in college, Right,
there's a few guys every game around that field that
would be playing pro ball. So it's not that you
never it's not like you never saw an NFL player
prior to getting to the NFL. It's just so when
you get to the NFL, they're all pro players. Right,
You're going against even even the third stringer, that guy's
a pro player. He's probably all conference in college, and
(06:53):
you know he would have stood out on films, but
there were all pro players, and you know that's that's
the difference. It's just a faster game. And if you've
played it at the highest level, you know, NFL's faster
than SEC. I know. I love the comparisons. People always say, Hey,
pick the you know, top team in the SEC. Alabama, Oh,
they could probably beat the one in fifteen you know
(07:15):
whoever the terrible worst team is in the NFL that
you're right. You hear those comparisons sometimes and I just laugh.
I'm just like, you just don't get it. I go, yeah,
Alabama might have you know, ten or twelve guys that
might end up in the pros, you know over the
course of time, but they don't have fifty three of them, right, And.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I say the same thing. It drives me nut. Sorry,
I got one minute left. The importance of defensive line
and the reason Tyler Williams I think is important is
because they rotate defensive tackles more than any other position.
Why is depth so important, especially along the front four,
front five defensive line wise, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So it comes down to playing every play right. It's
a I mean, playing it to the end and you
were paying guys to go get the quarterback. And the
reason that D lane is so important and whether it's
edge rusher, or it's a guy in the middle that's
taking some pressure off, maybe you know, pulling an extra
lineman in so that Hutch has a one on one
kind of thing. It makes everybody better on defense because
(08:17):
I always say Tom Brady's a pretty average quarterback. If
you look back at the Super Bowls where he got pressured,
he was a pretty average quarterback against the Giants both times,
and they lost and that's what they put pressure on him.
So if you can get pressure up front, it makes
your quarterbacks better because they don't have to cover as long.
Linebacker doesn't have to cover. Running back is along, you know,
because it's just it makes everybody better because it speeds
things up for the quarterback. So I like the draft.
(08:38):
I mean, everybody's got a great highlight tape, right he
looks good on tape. We'll see. Here's here's what I
do now. Brad Holmes and Dan Candler are based on
the draft picks over the last few years. I trust him,
so I think it's a good pick. If they think
it's a good pick. So well said, you know he
fits in, but he'll be he'll be mixing in great
with their d.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Tackles for sure, yeah, that's well said. I appreciate it.
We trust to mixed Line and Mitchlineswealth dot com as well.
Don't forget the retirement red zone. About five years before
and into retirement, things change. The retirement red zone helps
people protect and create more income as they move forward.
Have a great weekend, my friend. We'll talk to you
on Monday. I appreciate it as all right, stop good
Mitch Lyons knows what it's like to be drafted, he
knows what it's like to play in the NFL, and
he joins us here on Exus and Bros. Mitch, thanks
for the time. I appreciate it very much. You've did
a nice job last week of describing earlier this week,
describing what this week is like for these young guys.
What about the guys who weren't drafted in the first round?
(00:21):
Will Johnson should do her? Sanders throw up in my mouth?
Who thought they were going in Round one and still
have to wait? What are they going through? Do you
think what's their mindset?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well? I was more of a Day three guys chep,
so yeah. But for them, I mean, I gotta believe
it's just complete. I mean, especially Shader Sanders, who a
guy that's got maybe an ego kind of like his dad. Uh,
you know, it's disappointment, it's embarrassment, you know, and more
than anything, I think what it creates as a gigantic
(00:57):
chip on their shoulders for whoever gets them's going to
get a guy that's going to be pretty pretty motivated
to prove every team that passed them over. Yeah, that's
that's a pretty good point. Good thing. That's the good
thing if you're the team that gets them.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, that's that's a really good point. Mitche Lions from
mitge Lions wealth dot Com joining and is Remember the
book Retirement of Steel, Remember the documentary Retirement Deception, all
helping you prepare for retirement as you as you look
what the Lions did last night. Now, before I ask
you about Williams, let me ask you this. Do you
believe they're that cliche the defense wins championships? And if so,
(01:34):
how do we notice it as much as we probably
need to? Because it's a different NFL these days.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
As you know, I you know that's a that's a
great cliche, and you know it's deepens important. Yes, But
and I'll liken it to the Pistons game last night.
Every game, whether it's NFL NBA, and it's made up
of a whole bunch of single plays, right, And obviously
in the NFL, you're gonna have defensi player, you're gonna
(02:02):
have offensive player, you're gonna have a special teams plays
And coach Kawer used to say it, and I repeat
it a lot. It's guys, this game is going to
come down to four or five plays, and I wish
I could tell you which four or five they are.
But you have to play every game like it like
it's the one right. So whether it's you know, Jamison
Williams getting getting a fifty five yard touchdown because because
(02:23):
you know, one of the linemen made an extra blockdown
field or something like that, right to just give the
extra effort to make that one little play to make
a difference. Or whether it's a deep d tackle, uh,
stuff on a run you know in the first quarter,
that stuff the first down and got them off the field.
It's just it's made up a bunch of plays. That's
why I love watching football. I love watching game tape
(02:43):
and you see every little thing because every little thing
makes the difference. So you know, hey, whether they drafted
a quarterback, d tackle or whatever. I mean, that's the
ultimate team game. You got eleven guys that you're depending
on to to you know, tie it all together.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Every play you mentioned watching film. Tyler Williams is self
admittedly a film hog. Brad Holmes feels like he fits
in with the quote unquote culture. How important do you
think culture is and what do you think that culture
is as you watch the Lions from Afar.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, their their culture. Now It's it's hugely important, I believe,
because you know that guy coming in, I mean he
you know, especially when he's he already likes likes watching film.
That's a good sign for me because there are a
lot of guys that don't like watching it and they're
not going to put in an extra time. And usually
you know, they usually see the ramifications of that early
(03:36):
on in their career because they're just missing, missing assignments
or you know, just not playing at the highest level.
But as far as culture, I mean from Afar, they're
they're a lunch bucket, bring a flash late, uh you
know kind of kind of guy who they're going to
be there all night. And you know, that's the expectation
when you have the leaders like uh you know Brown
(03:56):
and Saint Brown and you know the you know, whether
it's shared goff watching film you know, after practice, it's
really hard for a young guy to not do that
when they see their superstars doing that or a fair fan.
If Saint Brown's out catching you know, however many balls
he catches every time, right and the jugs machine. If
he's doing that, how's a young guy not going to
do that. You know, it's the same thing on film.
(04:17):
If you're sitting there and you're watching your all pro
lineman bust his button run down the field twenty five
yards on a running play after he has already blocked
his guy right, but he's given the extra effort to
get down the field to help help block on a
long play or something. It's really hard for a rookie
not to do that in training camp when he's watching,
you know, the all Pro guy doing.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Who was that guy for you when you played? And
how did it impact you?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
You know, for me it was it wasn't even a player.
He was a player, but he was older than but
my tight end coach in Pittsburgh, Mike Malarky, who later
went on to coach three NFL teams, that was just
his mindset. We had a lot in common. That's what
got me to Pittsburgh because he saw a film of
me in Atlanta playing to the whistle, playing with extra efford.
Wasn't a top athlete. I mean I had to play
that way. It was the way I played was how
(05:03):
coach Peerlis taught us how to play at Michigan State.
Played to the echo, of the whistle, and Mike played
that way, but he coached that way and he demanded
it of us. So you know, Mark Bruner was at
the other tight end in Pittsburgh. But that was just
kind of our thing. And we played to the whistle
and you tried to get you tried to get a
reaction after the guy. And if you if you give
this shove at the whistle and you got a look,
(05:24):
the look we called it, if the guy snapped his
head around to see who just pushed him. You know,
we get a little bonus point with people lit tally
throw a buck in, you know, here and there. Mike
could throw money in. Oh, I might be a salary
camp violation, but we have a little part at the
end of the year. But you know, if you got
somebody to swing it or something, now you're really rebnefiting
because you get under people's skin and you play like that,
you get them thinking about things they shouldn't be thinking about.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Twenty six picks of the first thirty two were from
either the SEC or the Big Ten. Both the SEC
and Big Ten had at least ten players chosen in
round one. How important do you think think it is
to draft guys from those types of conferences because of
the competition they see every single weekend.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
I think I think we're going to see more of
that as you go forward, and simply, I think with
it's NIL, the talent is going to go where the
money is. It's as simple as that. I think you're
going to see a lot more of that. But I
think it's you know, it's it's important, right, I mean,
that's those are the two premier leagues, and you know
you're going to have the best players there typically and
even more so now with NIL and for them to
(06:32):
play at that level. I always say, I mean when
I was in college, I played against pro guys in college, Right,
there's a few guys every game around that field that
would be playing pro ball. So it's not that you
never it's not like you never saw an NFL player
prior to getting to the NFL. It's just so when
you get to the NFL, they're all pro players. Right,
You're going against even even the third stringer, that guy's
a pro player. He's probably all conference in college, and
(06:53):
you know he would have stood out on films, but
there were all pro players, and you know that's that's
the difference. It's just a faster game. And if you've
played it at the highest level, you know, NFL's faster
than SEC. I know. I love the comparisons. People always say, Hey,
pick the you know, top team in the SEC. Alabama, Oh,
they could probably beat the one in fifteen you know
(07:15):
whoever the terrible worst team is in the NFL that
you're right. You hear those comparisons sometimes and I just laugh.
I'm just like, you just don't get it. I go, yeah,
Alabama might have you know, ten or twelve guys that
might end up in the pros, you know over the
course of time, but they don't have fifty three of them, right, And.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I say the same thing. It drives me nut. Sorry,
I got one minute left. The importance of defensive line
and the reason Tyler Williams I think is important is
because they rotate defensive tackles more than any other position.
Why is depth so important, especially along the front four,
front five defensive line wise, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
So it comes down to playing every play right. It's
a I mean, playing it to the end and you
were paying guys to go get the quarterback. And the
reason that D lane is so important and whether it's
edge rusher, or it's a guy in the middle that's
taking some pressure off, maybe you know, pulling an extra
lineman in so that Hutch has a one on one
kind of thing. It makes everybody better on defense because
(08:17):
I always say Tom Brady's a pretty average quarterback. If
you look back at the Super Bowls where he got pressured,
he was a pretty average quarterback against the Giants both times,
and they lost and that's what they put pressure on him.
So if you can get pressure up front, it makes
your quarterbacks better because they don't have to cover as long.
Linebacker doesn't have to cover. Running back is along, you know,
because it's just it makes everybody better because it speeds
things up for the quarterback. So I like the draft.
(08:38):
I mean, everybody's got a great highlight tape, right he
looks good on tape. We'll see. Here's here's what I
do now. Brad Holmes and Dan Candler are based on
the draft picks over the last few years. I trust him,
so I think it's a good pick. If they think
it's a good pick. So well said, you know he
fits in, but he'll be he'll be mixing in great
with their d.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Tackles for sure, yeah, that's well said. I appreciate it.
We trust to mixed Line and Mitchlineswealth dot com as well.
Don't forget the retirement red zone. About five years before
and into retirement, things change. The retirement red zone helps
people protect and create more income as they move forward.
Have a great weekend, my friend. We'll talk to you
on Monday. I appreciate it as all right, stop good
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