May 5, 2025 • 9 mins
Mitch Lyons joins the show for our weekly "Mondays with Mitch" chat, presented by Mitch Lyons Wealth. Mitch and Shep discuss what makes an athlete clutch, put a bow on the Pistons' season, talk a little turkey hunting, and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Heay back with you here on EXUS and Bros. Glad
you're with us on this Monday time for Mondays with
Mitch Mitch Lion's our friend Mitch Lion's Wealth dot Com
joining us here like he does every Monday and sometimes
when it's big football news as well. And he had
a busy weekend. How are you, Mitch? Good to talk
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm doing fine well. I was playing golf yesterday in
the rain. You were doing what this past weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I was turkey hunting, which was great.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We had some great weather up in Sears, Michigan at
our hunting property and didn't see any gobblers. Unfortunately they're
all on camera, you know, all April. But I couldn't
get up there in April, so we gave it a
gave it a shot. This week saw some hens, but
going guinny gobblers coming in.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That interests me because I've been deer hunting, I've never
been turkey hunting. What's the thrill of turkey hunting compared
to deer hunting, elk hunting, big game hunting, anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I think it's part.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The fun part is when you when you get a
gobbler and you're able to call him in. You know,
it's no different than I guess if you're grunting and
had a buck answering and coming in on that. So
he gets the heart pumping. But as you more than that,
it's just time out in the woods. You know, it's
not with my son's great time, great time in the
woods with him, and it's just relaxing to get out
in the morning and watch nature come alive.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I love it. How how long have you been hunting?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know? I grew up hunting with my dad, deer
hunting primarily. I haven't I haven't hunted turkey a ton,
but we've got some honting propery. So we started doing
that a couple of years ago, and it's it's good time.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
What's the biggest catch you've ever had? The biggest catch
or biggest thing I had?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I just had a really nice nine point buck off
some corn property in my wife's family. She's I probably
about fifteen years ago, but I was that one got
the heart race and it was bigger than any deer
I've ever seen in my life, and just a big
old corn fed monster. And so that was a lot
of fun.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Love that. What else do you hunt? I mean, have
you ever done the big game hunting?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, you know, I've not.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I don't know. That just doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The whole pay, you know, thousands of dollars. Yeah, yeah,
I'm exotic analysts. This ever never been my deal.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Are you a fisherman too?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I do like to fish a little bit. We have
a place up in Cadillac on Lake Cadillacs, so we'll
get out and fish for some bass and pike and bluegill.
I got a couple grandsons now, so we're gonna have
to get them and gratiated into it this summer, so
that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I love that, man, I do. I think it's a
way to spend time with people who mean something in
your life, and you get a chance to really bond
I think in hunting trips and fishing trips and things.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Of that nature.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Mitch Lions, Mitch Lions Health wealth dot Com joining us
here on ex'es and bros. Don't forget the Mitch Lions
well poll question. He's got the book Retirement of Steel,
he's got the documentary Retirement Deception, and my favorite, the
retirement red zone that really helps protect and create more
income as you get older. Michigan State in need of
a new athletic director. Alan Haller's out after three and
(02:59):
a half year is he did some really good things.
Adam Nightingale was a higher of his, Jonathan Smith was
a higher of his. What are the what do you
think Michigan State is looking for in their new athletic director.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, the game has changed. Allen's a great guy. I
came into Michigan State with Allen back in nineteen eighty
eight as a freshman on the football team, so I
have a lot of love and respect for Allen. But
the game has changed completely. It's a professional league now,
and you've got to have somebody out there that can
rally the spartan faithful to give a lot of cash
because at the end of the day, it's all about nil.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
These kids are not loyal to a school. The game
has changed. It's just it's not like when I grew
up and when you put in your four or five
years or put in three years of time to even
step on a field, because these kids are long gone
by then they're going to chase, you know, chase the dollar.
Or the opportunity elsewhere, and it's just it's just different.
So it's going to be haves and have nots really
quick if it's not already. And Michigan State's in danger
(03:53):
of becoming the have not if they don't get, you know,
raise the cash. And I hate it personally. I mean,
I don't like where the college football game has gone.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Last week Wednesday night, I was at the Detroit Athletic Club.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Actually thought I was going to see you there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Tom Izzo was there, Greg Campy was there, the president
of the NCAA was there, George Gervin was there. We
were talking about nil Is so brought up some incredible points,
some really good points. But I was talking with some
of the big donors afterwards, and I just asked him,
how many times can you dip in to that financial well,
(04:29):
asking for these guys over and over and over again
for money to spend on players. What's the end game
in this situation? Do you think where you're constantly asking
for big donors for money.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, here's the thing, how high can it go? Well,
there's no salary cap in college sports right right, at
least in pros. You've got you know, two three four
year contracts that the players have to adhere to. You
don't have a I mean, you know these kids can
take money in January and leave before September and shoot,
then you have to pay the money back.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And you know how much do they ask for it? Well,
they're gonna want more than a kid down the road
that's making you know, ten thousand dollars more than they
are this year. So I don't know where it stops, Matt,
and it's uh, you know again, I don't like it
at one bed. It's killed. Honestly, it's killed. It for
me as a fan, I don't know who's on the
team from year to year. And I'm all about capitalism,
but this to me is killing. Is killing the sport
(05:26):
or four fans.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When you talk with friends and you're at your tailgates
in each lanting before games, are they giving you similar
feedback than what you're feeling right now? Does that help justify?
Because it's the way I feel too, because we are torn,
You and I are torn on this situation because we
both believe these kids deserve to be compensated. But as
I've said for the last far, or five years. This
(05:49):
is pay to play. It's not an il Andzo said
the same thing on Wednesday night. What's the feedback you're
getting from a lot of college football college basketball fans
that you hang out with.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, I think it's much the same as it's how
I feel, right. I mean, we all follow Michigan State
because we love Michigan State. I don't get the impression
that you know, all these kids are in love with
Michigan State as much as maybe we are, right. I mean,
it's it's hey, where can I go and get paid?
And I get it. Man if I was eighteen years old,
nineteen twenty years old, listen, I didn't come from money,
so I would have been excited doing backflips for somebody
(06:24):
to hand me one hundred bucks, much less, you know,
a million dollars. So I get it from that standpoint.
But again, as a fan, I really don't like it,
and you know it's killing it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You did you see the clip of Shaduur Sanders with
a call of Tom Brady, Deon Sanders, Tom.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Brady, Shadever Sanders.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I did not, Okay, So Dean Sanders is asking Tom
Brady if his son should be worried about a Rolls
Royce because he's got a Rolls Rice and Tom Brady
says his ass should be in the film room. He
should be more worried about film than cars, and that's
I think that puts it, Yeah, exactly, but that kind
of puts it in a pretty good perspective, coming from
(07:06):
one of the grace of all time. All Right, before
I let you go, Mitch Lyonswealth dot Com joining us
here on Mondays with Mitch the Pistons run.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And the difference of clutch players.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Jalen Brunson hits that big clutch shot to finish off
the Pistons and people view him as one of the
biggest clutch players of all time. I think that's a
little premature. What does it take to be the clutch player?
And what is your overall thought on how the Pistons
did this year, surprising so many from fourteen wins a
year ago.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, clutch player man is just mentally tough, unbridled confidence
in yourself right and knowing you're not always going to
make that shot, but it doesn't affect you, right like
Jalen Brunson. You know, whatever he turns the ball over,
he makes a miss is a shot. He's coming right
back at you right the next time. It's kind of
like MJ or Kobe, Right. I mean, just absolute confidence.
(07:55):
And it's not because they're just cocky. It's because they've
earned that confidence training at the highest level. Right. You
don't you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to
your level of training. And these guys that are stepping
up like that, that's because they practice at game speed.
They they train at game speed, and they have ultimate
confidence because of it. Now, as far as the pistons, uh,
(08:16):
I'll go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
No, go ahead, Yeah, a lot of pistons.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, pistons. I mean, I think there's a lot to
be excited about. It was a great series. I mean,
they've got a lot of young players that have never
been in that situation. Uh, they've got some players that
had been. But you know, I think that that was
a fantastic six game series. They're gonna they're gonna learn
a lot from that. I don't think they were going
to get past the Celtics ultimately anyway. But I think
(08:39):
as far as you know, Caid uh, taking the next
step next year, you know, maybe playing a little better
down the stretch, he's been there. Hopefully he'll gain from
that experience, and uh, you know, they'll get some guys,
some guys back from injury that they didn't have on
the playoff roster, and I'm sure they're gonna, you know,
try to improve.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Through free agency.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But I think the future is really bright and I'm
excited for the Pistons.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Love the perspective, Love the website Mitch Lionswealth dot com,
the book, the documentary, and the advice. Always great to
visit with you. We'll talk soon. Thanks a lot, Mitch
appreciate it. As always, on Mondays with Mitch
Heay back with you here on EXUS and Bros. Glad
you're with us on this Monday time for Mondays with
Mitch Mitch Lion's our friend Mitch Lion's Wealth dot Com
joining us here like he does every Monday and sometimes
when it's big football news as well. And he had
a busy weekend. How are you, Mitch? Good to talk
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm doing fine well. I was playing golf yesterday in
the rain. You were doing what this past weekend?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I was turkey hunting, which was great.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We had some great weather up in Sears, Michigan at
our hunting property and didn't see any gobblers. Unfortunately they're
all on camera, you know, all April. But I couldn't
get up there in April, so we gave it a
gave it a shot. This week saw some hens, but
going guinny gobblers coming in.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
That interests me because I've been deer hunting, I've never
been turkey hunting. What's the thrill of turkey hunting compared
to deer hunting, elk hunting, big game hunting, anything like that.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I think it's part.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
The fun part is when you when you get a
gobbler and you're able to call him in. You know,
it's no different than I guess if you're grunting and
had a buck answering and coming in on that. So
he gets the heart pumping. But as you more than that,
it's just time out in the woods. You know, it's
not with my son's great time, great time in the
woods with him, and it's just relaxing to get out
in the morning and watch nature come alive.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
I love it. How how long have you been hunting?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know? I grew up hunting with my dad, deer
hunting primarily. I haven't I haven't hunted turkey a ton,
but we've got some honting propery. So we started doing
that a couple of years ago, and it's it's good time.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
What's the biggest catch you've ever had? The biggest catch
or biggest thing I had?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I just had a really nice nine point buck off
some corn property in my wife's family. She's I probably
about fifteen years ago, but I was that one got
the heart race and it was bigger than any deer
I've ever seen in my life, and just a big
old corn fed monster. And so that was a lot
of fun.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Love that. What else do you hunt? I mean, have
you ever done the big game hunting?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
No, you know, I've not.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I don't know. That just doesn't do it for me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The whole pay, you know, thousands of dollars. Yeah, yeah,
I'm exotic analysts. This ever never been my deal.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Are you a fisherman too?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I do like to fish a little bit. We have
a place up in Cadillac on Lake Cadillacs, so we'll
get out and fish for some bass and pike and bluegill.
I got a couple grandsons now, so we're gonna have
to get them and gratiated into it this summer, so
that'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I love that, man, I do. I think it's a
way to spend time with people who mean something in
your life, and you get a chance to really bond
I think in hunting trips and fishing trips and things.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Of that nature.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Mitch Lions, Mitch Lions Health wealth dot Com joining us
here on ex'es and bros. Don't forget the Mitch Lions
well poll question. He's got the book Retirement of Steel,
he's got the documentary Retirement Deception, and my favorite, the
retirement red zone that really helps protect and create more
income as you get older. Michigan State in need of
a new athletic director. Alan Haller's out after three and
(02:59):
a half year is he did some really good things.
Adam Nightingale was a higher of his, Jonathan Smith was
a higher of his. What are the what do you
think Michigan State is looking for in their new athletic director.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, the game has changed. Allen's a great guy. I
came into Michigan State with Allen back in nineteen eighty
eight as a freshman on the football team, so I
have a lot of love and respect for Allen. But
the game has changed completely. It's a professional league now,
and you've got to have somebody out there that can
rally the spartan faithful to give a lot of cash
because at the end of the day, it's all about nil.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
These kids are not loyal to a school. The game
has changed. It's just it's not like when I grew
up and when you put in your four or five
years or put in three years of time to even
step on a field, because these kids are long gone
by then they're going to chase, you know, chase the dollar.
Or the opportunity elsewhere, and it's just it's just different.
So it's going to be haves and have nots really
quick if it's not already. And Michigan State's in danger
(03:53):
of becoming the have not if they don't get, you know,
raise the cash. And I hate it personally. I mean,
I don't like where the college football game has gone.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
You know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Last week Wednesday night, I was at the Detroit Athletic Club.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Actually thought I was going to see you there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Tom Izzo was there, Greg Campy was there, the president
of the NCAA was there, George Gervin was there. We
were talking about nil Is so brought up some incredible points,
some really good points. But I was talking with some
of the big donors afterwards, and I just asked him,
how many times can you dip in to that financial well,
(04:29):
asking for these guys over and over and over again
for money to spend on players. What's the end game
in this situation? Do you think where you're constantly asking
for big donors for money.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Well, here's the thing, how high can it go? Well,
there's no salary cap in college sports right right, at
least in pros. You've got you know, two three four
year contracts that the players have to adhere to. You
don't have a I mean, you know these kids can
take money in January and leave before September and shoot,
then you have to pay the money back.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And you know how much do they ask for it? Well,
they're gonna want more than a kid down the road
that's making you know, ten thousand dollars more than they
are this year. So I don't know where it stops, Matt,
and it's uh, you know again, I don't like it
at one bed. It's killed. Honestly, it's killed. It for
me as a fan, I don't know who's on the
team from year to year. And I'm all about capitalism,
but this to me is killing. Is killing the sport
(05:26):
or four fans.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
When you talk with friends and you're at your tailgates
in each lanting before games, are they giving you similar
feedback than what you're feeling right now? Does that help justify?
Because it's the way I feel too, because we are torn,
You and I are torn on this situation because we
both believe these kids deserve to be compensated. But as
I've said for the last far, or five years. This
(05:49):
is pay to play. It's not an il Andzo said
the same thing on Wednesday night. What's the feedback you're
getting from a lot of college football college basketball fans
that you hang out with.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, I think it's much the same as it's how
I feel, right. I mean, we all follow Michigan State
because we love Michigan State. I don't get the impression
that you know, all these kids are in love with
Michigan State as much as maybe we are, right. I mean,
it's it's hey, where can I go and get paid?
And I get it. Man if I was eighteen years old,
nineteen twenty years old, listen, I didn't come from money,
so I would have been excited doing backflips for somebody
(06:24):
to hand me one hundred bucks, much less, you know,
a million dollars. So I get it from that standpoint.
But again, as a fan, I really don't like it,
and you know it's killing it.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You did you see the clip of Shaduur Sanders with
a call of Tom Brady, Deon Sanders, Tom.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Brady, Shadever Sanders.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I did not, Okay, So Dean Sanders is asking Tom
Brady if his son should be worried about a Rolls
Royce because he's got a Rolls Rice and Tom Brady
says his ass should be in the film room. He
should be more worried about film than cars, and that's
I think that puts it, Yeah, exactly, but that kind
of puts it in a pretty good perspective, coming from
(07:06):
one of the grace of all time. All Right, before
I let you go, Mitch Lyonswealth dot Com joining us
here on Mondays with Mitch the Pistons run.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And the difference of clutch players.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Jalen Brunson hits that big clutch shot to finish off
the Pistons and people view him as one of the
biggest clutch players of all time. I think that's a
little premature. What does it take to be the clutch player?
And what is your overall thought on how the Pistons
did this year, surprising so many from fourteen wins a
year ago.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Yeah, clutch player man is just mentally tough, unbridled confidence
in yourself right and knowing you're not always going to
make that shot, but it doesn't affect you, right like
Jalen Brunson. You know, whatever he turns the ball over,
he makes a miss is a shot. He's coming right
back at you right the next time. It's kind of
like MJ or Kobe, Right. I mean, just absolute confidence.
(07:55):
And it's not because they're just cocky. It's because they've
earned that confidence training at the highest level. Right. You
don't you don't rise to the occasion, you sink to
your level of training. And these guys that are stepping
up like that, that's because they practice at game speed.
They they train at game speed, and they have ultimate
confidence because of it. Now, as far as the pistons, uh,
(08:16):
I'll go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
No, go ahead, Yeah, a lot of pistons.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, pistons. I mean, I think there's a lot to
be excited about. It was a great series. I mean,
they've got a lot of young players that have never
been in that situation. Uh, they've got some players that
had been. But you know, I think that that was
a fantastic six game series. They're gonna they're gonna learn
a lot from that. I don't think they were going
to get past the Celtics ultimately anyway. But I think
(08:39):
as far as you know, Caid uh, taking the next
step next year, you know, maybe playing a little better
down the stretch, he's been there. Hopefully he'll gain from
that experience, and uh, you know, they'll get some guys,
some guys back from injury that they didn't have on
the playoff roster, and I'm sure they're gonna, you know,
try to improve.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Through free agency.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But I think the future is really bright and I'm
excited for the Pistons.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Love the perspective, Love the website Mitch Lionswealth dot com,
the book, the documentary, and the advice. Always great to
visit with you. We'll talk soon. Thanks a lot, Mitch
appreciate it. As always, on Mondays with Mitch
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