June 9, 2025 • 9 mins
Mitch Lyons joins the show for our weekly "Mondays with Mitch" chat, discussing the impact of coordinators in football, the weight of a championship, and much more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Seven eighteen Every Monday, we do Mondays with Mitch our
friend Mitch Lions from Mitch lions Wealth dot com. Check
out his website Mitch Lionswealth dot com or call him
today eight sixty six eighty five Steel. It is there
where you can get the best advice on how to
plan for your retirement. It is also on that website
where you get a digital copy of streaming code available
(00:20):
for free on the website because he wants to help
you out for his book Retirement of Steel and for
his documentary film Retirement Deception. And he joins us here
on this Monday. I hope you had a good weekend,
my friend. A lot is made of the Lions losing
their two coordinators, Ben Johnson, now the head coach with
Chicago Aaron Glenn now the head coach with the Jets.
(00:42):
As a guy who played seven strong years in the
National Football League. What's the significance there, Well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Significance is obviously they both had success, right And where
it can become a problem is if things don't go
well early with the new transition. Right now, I don't
out with the Lions. I think, uh, you know, Dan
Campbell's not gonna let a whole lot of whole lot
of stuff change. They've done pretty successful. I don't think
they're going to deviate a whole lot from what they've
done in the past. But it can become a little
(01:12):
pressure filled when things don't go well. I had that
happened in Pittsburgh. Chan Gaily was our our office coordinator.
He took the job with the Dallas Cowboys as head coach,
and Ray Sherman came in the next year and Courtel
Stewart wasn't the same player for whatever reason that he
was the year before, and that became a pressure field situation.
So and a lot of that blame, you know, fell
(01:32):
on Ray's head for right or wrong. But that that's
where I could see it could be. Uh could you
know start the media starts talking and then then it
starts getting in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
When it starts getting in the locker room like that,
how do you how do you squash it? If you're
a player, if you're a leader, Hell, if you're a
head coach, how do you squash it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, it comes down to the leadership, right, I mean
the bottom line is everybody in the room knows it's nice,
especially football. I mean it's the ultimate team game because
eleven guys out there on the field at any given time,
and any single guy can screw a play up, and
you know, the average fan may not know what that was.
They blame the quarterback because he missed the guy by
two yards. Well, they didn't see the guy run the
route at six and a half yards before he broke
(02:14):
out rather than the six yards you were supposed to. Right,
that's good. There's a lot of moving parts, or somebody
maybe didn't pick up a defender like they're supposed to,
and the quarterback got rushed a little more than he
needed to, and so there's so many pieces. So as
a leader on the team, it's about you know, taking
an ownership yourself, but also hold another guys accountable and say, hey, man,
we're in this thing together. It's not all on the QB,
(02:35):
it's not all on the opposite coordinator. Let's let's do
our jobs and get this thing rolling.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I've always wondered this about ex professional athletes. When you
watch football or any game, I suppose, but especially football,
the sport that you played, do you watch it differently
than perhaps you did before you were pro And if so, how.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I would say for sure. I think most people
kind of follow the ball, right and if I find
myself not following the ball as much as I'm I'm
looking at the line. I'm seeing what the you know,
what the alignment is up front, how they're going to
you know, account for a you know, for blitzes on
third down or one enough, I'm usually watching that. I
find myself watching that tight end a lot too, obviously
having played tight end, just to see how they you know,
(03:17):
how they get a release off the line or how
they're blocking their guy, you know. And then oftentimes I'm
finding myself catching up where the ball is after the fact, so,
you know, the Watson looking at alignment, seeing what the
defense is doing, and you know, thinking about how, okay,
how's offense going to pick this up here? Do they
have everybody accounted for? Is this quarterback going to have
to get the ball out quick? And so I think
(03:38):
you just kind of look at it as as the
player you were versus the fan you might have been
prior to that.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, that's a really good point. Mitch Lions from Mitch
lions wealth dot Com joining us here on XIS and bros.
It is Mondays with Mitch I read an article recently
where they were reevaluating the NFL's twenty twenty one draft class.
How long does it take in your mind for the league,
(04:03):
specifically the NFL, because I think it varies, right, it's
hard in hockey, it's hard in Major League Baseball when
you're drafting kids at eight, age eighteen oftentimes baseball, it varies.
But how long does it take before you evaluate a
rookie class in your mind?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I think you know, if you're going to pick a
single amount of years, probably you know after that third year.
Obviously you're evaluating a first round pick a lot sooner
than that, right or wrong. But you're expecting the first
round or to come in there and give you significant
starting minutes from the get go. So that's a little different.
But hey, some of those guys they got in the fifth, sixth,
seventh round, or maybe even a rookie free agent that
(04:39):
maybe didn't start right from the get go but have
developed into a great player, Well guess what those count? Two?
And you know, that's what you've seen the Lions be
able to do is pick gets pick some guys up
later in the draft or even you know, free rookie
free agents and been able to develop them and then
make them into great players. And so I think, you know,
three years down the road, that's probably a good look
(05:01):
back period to say, right, how do these guys do
not only the top guys right up front, but you know,
how did some of these other guys develop? And are
they helping our ball club?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You and I talked during the basketball when the Pistons
basketball season, because basketball is still going on, but during
the Pistons season, we were talking about how chemistry important
it was for them, and the fact that they've got
the right coach and they've got a leader and all
these other things. But there's a lot of discussion that
the Pistons needing to trade some pieces to get a
bigger piece, whether it be Devin Booker, Jannis Sante t Compo,
(05:33):
Kevin Durant, things like that. What's the danger do you
think of breaking up a team that has been so connected, consistent,
but also really connected like they were this past season.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I think it's a worry. I think that's also why
a GM gets paid a lot of money, right, because
that is not an easy question to solve. You know,
you look back to the bad Boys, you know when
they let Adrian Dantley go right, and they brought in
Mark aguire. They were pretty good with aider Danly, but
you know they made the next step with Mark McGuire.
So's it can be a tough situation and it really
(06:09):
comes down to I think the guy coming in, right,
can he assimilate and can he become part of the group.
You know, you're not just bringing in a superstar alone
alone wolf, so to speak. He's got to be able
to assimilate and assimilate quickly. And you know, guy's got
to be able to like him, you know, like him
in the locker and not just you know, not just
like his game, but is he a good dude? And
(06:30):
then the locker room on the road. I mean they
spent a lot of time together on the road, especially
in basketball and baseball. Is he a good dude that's
going to be part of the team and you know,
help it be better together rather than just come in
and be you know, a guy that's going to shoot
thirty times a game and then get his.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You mean me to think of something here. Look, you're
a leader in high school, you're a leader at the
collegiate level. If you're a leader, it can be very
difficult to follow. I think really good teams have good followers.
Don't talk about just leaders, but guys who are willing
to do that. Because your type A, you're used to
being the guy in front. How do you make that transition?
(07:08):
How do you know when to be the right follower
after you've been a leader your entire life.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I think the great leaders recognize that, Okay, this guy
is the alpha dog. Now you know it just I
think it's just something that you have to recognize, and
if you don't, you kind of see some of these,
you know, petulant attitudes brew into the top where hey,
everything was cool while they were the man, but all
of a sudden, there's a young gun and he's he's
(07:37):
ascended to the throne, so to speak, and he's clearly
the best player on the court and the lead dog.
Being able to take a step back, I mean that
says something about your character there to be able to
recognize that and not necessarily stop leading per se, but
you know, recognize that you are not the top dog anymore,
and that you know, some of that leadership brains has
(07:58):
to be handed over to the young gun and then
let him do his thing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Had this Mitch Lines Wealth Poll question on Friday and
wanting your answer to it. Does a player and or
coach need to win a title to be considered the greatest?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I think, without a doubt. I think at times there's
too much put into, you know, when you start talking
about whether guys should be in a hall of fame
or not only never won a title. Well, listen, man,
there taking there's some things that the fall in line
for guys who win the title. It's not easy to
win the title. But if you're talking about being named,
you know, one of the greatest ever I think, you know,
(08:33):
or the greatest ever, you've got to be able to
show that, you know, you could get it done and
take your team to the next, you know, to the
highest point in the sport. So I think it's really
tough to say somebody was the best ever and he
never was playing that last game of the season and
then hoisting the trophy.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It's a good debate, it really is, and I think
you're you're more right than wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
There.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
There are certain examples you know that I used the
other day, Ted Williams, ty Cobb, Ernie Banks, for example,
A few of them, Dan Marino, but for the most part.
I think you're absolutely right about that because you have
that debate and what does it come down to. It
comes down to you have it. How many championships have
you won? That separates one guy from another. It's good insight.
(09:13):
As always, we appreciate it, Mitch Liones, thanks for the
time today. Enjoy your week man. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, take care, chef, I have a good one.
Seven eighteen Every Monday, we do Mondays with Mitch our
friend Mitch Lions from Mitch lions Wealth dot com. Check
out his website Mitch Lionswealth dot com or call him
today eight sixty six eighty five Steel. It is there
where you can get the best advice on how to
plan for your retirement. It is also on that website
where you get a digital copy of streaming code available
(00:20):
for free on the website because he wants to help
you out for his book Retirement of Steel and for
his documentary film Retirement Deception. And he joins us here
on this Monday. I hope you had a good weekend,
my friend. A lot is made of the Lions losing
their two coordinators, Ben Johnson, now the head coach with
Chicago Aaron Glenn now the head coach with the Jets.
(00:42):
As a guy who played seven strong years in the
National Football League. What's the significance there, Well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Significance is obviously they both had success, right And where
it can become a problem is if things don't go
well early with the new transition. Right now, I don't
out with the Lions. I think, uh, you know, Dan
Campbell's not gonna let a whole lot of whole lot
of stuff change. They've done pretty successful. I don't think
they're going to deviate a whole lot from what they've
done in the past. But it can become a little
(01:12):
pressure filled when things don't go well. I had that
happened in Pittsburgh. Chan Gaily was our our office coordinator.
He took the job with the Dallas Cowboys as head coach,
and Ray Sherman came in the next year and Courtel
Stewart wasn't the same player for whatever reason that he
was the year before, and that became a pressure field situation.
So and a lot of that blame, you know, fell
(01:32):
on Ray's head for right or wrong. But that that's
where I could see it could be. Uh could you
know start the media starts talking and then then it
starts getting in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
When it starts getting in the locker room like that,
how do you how do you squash it? If you're
a player, if you're a leader, Hell, if you're a
head coach, how do you squash it?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, it comes down to the leadership, right, I mean
the bottom line is everybody in the room knows it's nice,
especially football. I mean it's the ultimate team game because
eleven guys out there on the field at any given time,
and any single guy can screw a play up, and
you know, the average fan may not know what that was.
They blame the quarterback because he missed the guy by
two yards. Well, they didn't see the guy run the
route at six and a half yards before he broke
(02:14):
out rather than the six yards you were supposed to. Right,
that's good. There's a lot of moving parts, or somebody
maybe didn't pick up a defender like they're supposed to,
and the quarterback got rushed a little more than he
needed to, and so there's so many pieces. So as
a leader on the team, it's about you know, taking
an ownership yourself, but also hold another guys accountable and say, hey, man,
we're in this thing together. It's not all on the QB,
(02:35):
it's not all on the opposite coordinator. Let's let's do
our jobs and get this thing rolling.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I've always wondered this about ex professional athletes. When you
watch football or any game, I suppose, but especially football,
the sport that you played, do you watch it differently
than perhaps you did before you were pro And if so, how.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I would say for sure. I think most people
kind of follow the ball, right and if I find
myself not following the ball as much as I'm I'm
looking at the line. I'm seeing what the you know,
what the alignment is up front, how they're going to
you know, account for a you know, for blitzes on
third down or one enough, I'm usually watching that. I
find myself watching that tight end a lot too, obviously
having played tight end, just to see how they you know,
(03:17):
how they get a release off the line or how
they're blocking their guy, you know. And then oftentimes I'm
finding myself catching up where the ball is after the fact, so,
you know, the Watson looking at alignment, seeing what the
defense is doing, and you know, thinking about how, okay,
how's offense going to pick this up here? Do they
have everybody accounted for? Is this quarterback going to have
to get the ball out quick? And so I think
(03:38):
you just kind of look at it as as the
player you were versus the fan you might have been
prior to that.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, that's a really good point. Mitch Lions from Mitch
lions wealth dot Com joining us here on XIS and bros.
It is Mondays with Mitch I read an article recently
where they were reevaluating the NFL's twenty twenty one draft class.
How long does it take in your mind for the league,
(04:03):
specifically the NFL, because I think it varies, right, it's
hard in hockey, it's hard in Major League Baseball when
you're drafting kids at eight, age eighteen oftentimes baseball, it varies.
But how long does it take before you evaluate a
rookie class in your mind?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I think you know, if you're going to pick a
single amount of years, probably you know after that third year.
Obviously you're evaluating a first round pick a lot sooner
than that, right or wrong. But you're expecting the first
round or to come in there and give you significant
starting minutes from the get go. So that's a little different.
But hey, some of those guys they got in the fifth, sixth,
seventh round, or maybe even a rookie free agent that
(04:39):
maybe didn't start right from the get go but have
developed into a great player, Well guess what those count? Two?
And you know, that's what you've seen the Lions be
able to do is pick gets pick some guys up
later in the draft or even you know, free rookie
free agents and been able to develop them and then
make them into great players. And so I think, you know,
three years down the road, that's probably a good look
(05:01):
back period to say, right, how do these guys do
not only the top guys right up front, but you know,
how did some of these other guys develop? And are
they helping our ball club?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
You and I talked during the basketball when the Pistons
basketball season, because basketball is still going on, but during
the Pistons season, we were talking about how chemistry important
it was for them, and the fact that they've got
the right coach and they've got a leader and all
these other things. But there's a lot of discussion that
the Pistons needing to trade some pieces to get a
bigger piece, whether it be Devin Booker, Jannis Sante t Compo,
(05:33):
Kevin Durant, things like that. What's the danger do you
think of breaking up a team that has been so connected, consistent,
but also really connected like they were this past season.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I think it's a worry. I think that's also why
a GM gets paid a lot of money, right, because
that is not an easy question to solve. You know,
you look back to the bad Boys, you know when
they let Adrian Dantley go right, and they brought in
Mark aguire. They were pretty good with aider Danly, but
you know they made the next step with Mark McGuire.
So's it can be a tough situation and it really
(06:09):
comes down to I think the guy coming in, right,
can he assimilate and can he become part of the group.
You know, you're not just bringing in a superstar alone
alone wolf, so to speak. He's got to be able
to assimilate and assimilate quickly. And you know, guy's got
to be able to like him, you know, like him
in the locker and not just you know, not just
like his game, but is he a good dude? And
(06:30):
then the locker room on the road. I mean they
spent a lot of time together on the road, especially
in basketball and baseball. Is he a good dude that's
going to be part of the team and you know,
help it be better together rather than just come in
and be you know, a guy that's going to shoot
thirty times a game and then get his.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
You mean me to think of something here. Look, you're
a leader in high school, you're a leader at the
collegiate level. If you're a leader, it can be very
difficult to follow. I think really good teams have good followers.
Don't talk about just leaders, but guys who are willing
to do that. Because your type A, you're used to
being the guy in front. How do you make that transition?
(07:08):
How do you know when to be the right follower
after you've been a leader your entire life.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I think the great leaders recognize that, Okay, this guy
is the alpha dog. Now you know it just I
think it's just something that you have to recognize, and
if you don't, you kind of see some of these,
you know, petulant attitudes brew into the top where hey,
everything was cool while they were the man, but all
of a sudden, there's a young gun and he's he's
(07:37):
ascended to the throne, so to speak, and he's clearly
the best player on the court and the lead dog.
Being able to take a step back, I mean that
says something about your character there to be able to
recognize that and not necessarily stop leading per se, but
you know, recognize that you are not the top dog anymore,
and that you know, some of that leadership brains has
(07:58):
to be handed over to the young gun and then
let him do his thing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Had this Mitch Lines Wealth Poll question on Friday and
wanting your answer to it. Does a player and or
coach need to win a title to be considered the greatest?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I think, without a doubt. I think at times there's
too much put into, you know, when you start talking
about whether guys should be in a hall of fame
or not only never won a title. Well, listen, man,
there taking there's some things that the fall in line
for guys who win the title. It's not easy to
win the title. But if you're talking about being named,
you know, one of the greatest ever I think, you know,
(08:33):
or the greatest ever, you've got to be able to
show that, you know, you could get it done and
take your team to the next, you know, to the
highest point in the sport. So I think it's really
tough to say somebody was the best ever and he
never was playing that last game of the season and
then hoisting the trophy.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It's a good debate, it really is, and I think
you're you're more right than wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
There.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
There are certain examples you know that I used the
other day, Ted Williams, ty Cobb, Ernie Banks, for example,
A few of them, Dan Marino, but for the most part.
I think you're absolutely right about that because you have
that debate and what does it come down to. It
comes down to you have it. How many championships have
you won? That separates one guy from another. It's good insight.
(09:13):
As always, we appreciate it, Mitch Liones, thanks for the
time today. Enjoy your week man. We'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Okay, take care, chef, I have a good one.
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