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June 13, 2025 • 14 mins
Preston Hodgkinson, who covers the Edmonton Oilers for Offside, joins the show to talk all things Stanley Cup Finals, as the Oilers knotted the series at 2-2 on Thursday.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Final round of the Stanley Cup is taking place and
the Oilers tied it up last night with an incredible
comeback win. Preston Hodgkinson writes for Offline Canada. You can
fill on Twitter at NHL Hodgkinson and he's been knee
deep in it all series long, and really all season
long with the Edmonton Oilers and he joins us here

(00:21):
on exs and bros. Hey, Preston, we appreciate it very much.
We know it was a long night for you, so
thanks for getting up early. The overtime game winner for
Leon dry Sidle who finished second in the Heart Trophy
winner to Connor Hellibuok. But he continues to find a
way to do it. Eleven game winners during the season,
four and out in the playoffs, which is an NHL record.
What is it about him that impresses you most day

(00:42):
in and day out following him?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Soy, thanks for having me on, Matt. I appreciate it.
I appreciate you bring me on here. But yeah, Leon
dry title has been incredible, not only this regular season
but the playoffs as well, and there's just something about
the way he plays. He just won't be denied out there,
especially when it matters the most in overtime, and it's
incredible that going into this playoff season he had never

(01:06):
recorded a playoff overtime goal and he's got four of them,
I think now an NHL record in a single playoff run.
It's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
President. I was stunned at their ability to come back.
Florida is so hard to play against. You know, you
followed them all season long. Their four check, their ability
to wear on you down below the goal line is
really impressive. And they score three times in the first
and they Chase Skinner and then Edmonton looks like a
completely different team in the second period. What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's hard to say, but this has been the Edmonton
Orders identity for years now. They've been a team that
you can never count out when they're facing adversity like this.
And I believe there was something that would went on
in that dressing room in that first intermission. The players
after the game are saying veteran Corey Perry, who doesn't
often speak up, doesn't often yell at players, but he

(02:02):
said something in that break that really inspired them to
get back into that game. And like you said, it's Florida.
This is a team that closes out gains better than
anyone else in this league. And the fact that the
others were able to take something out of that speech
from Corey Perry and the intermission and find a way
to pull off a miraculous comeback in the second final

(02:23):
says something about just the quality of leadership in that room.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, I agree. I'm glad you used the word leadership,
and they do it against Sergei Bbrovski, who's one of
the best in the world at what he does. The
importance of breaking through. So there's a couple of moments.
The pitcard goal save early in the second was huge,
and then the power play goal by Ryan NuGen Hopkins

(02:47):
still don't know how the hell he got that in
the net was big to get it to at least
get him on the board. How did you feel about
the lack of a better word, momentum shifting on those
two specific plays that all of fent times seems to
make a difference at least in the period, if not
for the game.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah. Well, you know, momentum in the Stanley Cup playoffs
is a very very strange thing. I feel like it
can change on a dime. There, So to have Pickard
come in and you know, this is a backup goalie
that no one really expected to do much in the playoffs,
and now suddenly he's he's seven to ohero and the
only undefeated goalie in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Like it's incredible.

(03:28):
And if he doesn't make that stop, the others are
I don't think it happens. I really don't think to
come back happens. So the fact that he came in
and made that save, and not not only that save,
but he made several key stops in clean including in
overtime to keep the winners in it. It was really
just a sight to behold. And honestly, I know he's
only played seven games, but like it feels like Helvin Pickard,

(03:50):
if the others can pull this off, could be a
constantly contender. Like it is incredible what he's done to
come in and change the fortanes of the fortunes of
this team. Regarding Newten Hopkins' goal, it's critical, right, Like
you can't come back without that first goal. So and
this is a player that's playing injured as well, so

(04:12):
to have him kind of fight through the pain and
get the winners on the board and kind spark that
comeback is undeniala be huge for the team.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Love talking hockey and love doing it with Preston Hodgkinson.
He writes for the Offside Canada and you can foll
him on Twitter at NHL Hodgkinson. He's on the Lindsay
Hunter Foundation guest line with his Chris Nablom. Perhaps a
little bit of controversy in starting Stuart Skinner before going
to Calvin Pickard. I don't think it was necessarily Skinner's

(04:43):
fault per se. But were you surprised that he went
with Skinner after getting routed in Game three? And do
you think now Pickard is the guy for game five
when you head back home tomorrow night for Game five?

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, I don't think I was that surprised to see
Skinner get the net in game four. I mean, yeah,
he did get lit up in Game three there, but
he's been the guy lately, and I, like you said,
I don't think it was necessarily his fault that the
team lost it. Everyone played bad in Game three. They
didn't really give him much of a chance, and I
think going back to him in game four it made sense.

(05:24):
I didn't think it was a mistake by not block
and even in that first period in Game four. Yes,
the Panthers did go up three to nothing, but again,
League didn't really give Stuart Skinner much in front of him.
So I was a little shocked actually that they pulled
him because I was like, I think he was the
only player that came to play in that first period
for Edmonton going into Game five, I think you gotta

(05:47):
go Calvin Pickard here, Like, he was incredible for the team.
He kept him in it, and you know, this is
the guy that hasn't lost in the playoffs this here,
so you know, why not go back to him. I
think he's played as good as any other goalie in
the playoffs right now.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
It's a good problem to have, and Edmonton is used
to it because they had Grant Fure and Andy Mogue.
I mean they're they're both were very talented goaltenders. Connor
McDavid continues, even when he doesn't get on the score sheet,
continues to make a difference. You've covered a lot of
great hockey players in your career. What makes him so special?

(06:22):
In your mind?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
There's just no one like him. He's the most talented
player to ever lace him up in the NHL. And
you know, there's this an air that he just he
won't be denied this year. You know, he had the
heartbreak loss in Game seven last year, and coming into
this one, you know, it just has to happen. It
just feels like fate that car McDavid is going to
win the Stanley Cup and he's back here. It just

(06:48):
doesn't look like he's going to be denied. So I
could say a number of things about his skill, his speed,
his hands, his ability to find the players with impossible passes.
There's so much incredible things about Karen McDavid. But the
one thing that I found for this playoff round is
that his relentlessness, is his desire to win is just unmatched.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Had an assist last night, four shots on net. But
sometimes the stats sheet doesn't always show exactly how effective
a player may be. You said he's the most talented
player ever. That's a pretty strong statement. I think he's
the greatest skater I've ever seen. Paul Coffee's in there,
Mike Gartner's in there, for example, But I think he's
the greatest skater I've ever seen. Why would you say

(07:31):
he's the most talented player the league has ever had.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
He just he's so advanced in every kind of skill
that you would want from a hockey player. And I
know you know he won't reach the point totals of
Wayne Gretzky and frankly, no one will. But I'm confident
that if you PLoP Karen McDavid into a hockey game
in the nineteen eighties, is skating circles around every single player.

(07:58):
He's always skating players around, circles around players today and
the classism, the the healthiness of players these days are
much better. So I just think you see how he
creates every single shift in such a hard game nowadays,
I think he's unmatched. I don't think anyone can touch him.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
I don't think enough is made. It probably has been
by you and your colleagues, but from a United States
standpoint in covering this series, I don't think enough is
being made of Ryan NuGen Hopkins. I mean, people forget
one to one comes with a lot of pressure. In
twenty eleven, at the age of thirty two, had a
very good season for this team, with another twenty goal

(08:42):
scoring team. It's not the most he's ever scored, but
his postseason he's just seemed more present. How have you
noticed a difference in Ryan NuGen Hopkins, especially on that
first line that I think is the most deadliest in
all of hockey.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, I mean, I know, I talk with my colleagues
quite a bit about Ryan new joh Hopkins. He's he's
the kind of guy that you know, you kind of
forget over the course of his season. Like you said,
he scores like twenty to twenty five goals, but he's
he's in that shadow of car McDavid, Leon Dry Settle,
and he's and you know even Zach Hyman and Evander
Kaine to to a certain degree. But every playoff run
he's last like three four years here. You know, you

(09:20):
look back on it and you're like, wow, Like Ryan
Jah Hopkins scored a lot of like clutch goals, Like
I don't remember him scoring that much. He's he quietly
does a fantastic job at like in all three ends
of the ice in the playoffs, and he's consistently an
underrated scorer as well. And with them, you know his
injury problems going into the final here, and you know

(09:42):
the fact that he was a game time decision. He's
last like two three games here. To keep the production
going and to keep playing those minutes on that top line,
it's invaluable, especially without Zach Hyman to help him out there.
So you know, I know that a lot of people
here in Edmonton just a due Ryan new J Hopkins
because he's the longest tenured guy he's been through, even

(10:05):
through it here in the Alberta Capital with some pretty
bad teams, and so to have them performing at the
level that he is in the Stanley Cup playoffs in
the Stanley Cup Final has been an incredible thing to see.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
He's one of those guys you root for, right Preston
Hodgkinson joining us here on the Lindsey Hunter Foundation guest
line he writes for Offside Canada. Foll him on Twitter
at NHL Hodgkinson. I love the story. In general, I
usually root I'll be honest with you. They're usually root for
United States based teams, but I love the story of Edmonton.
I want great players to win championships. Doesn't mean I

(10:41):
rooted for Brett Farvar Aaron Rodgers, but I want to
see great players succeed. I want that for McDavid, I
want that for dry Sidle, I want that for Nugent Hopkins.
That said, you know, Game five tomorrow. It's already been
proven that home ice doesn't mean a whole lot. You
don't come from three to nothing down in another team's
barn and the way Edmonton did last night and feel like,

(11:03):
sorry automatically edge if you're going into your own home ice.
What will be most important tomorrow? In Game five? They've
got to get off to a better start, right Well.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, that's the obvious one, right Like, they cannot be
spotting the Florida Panthers all these leads and having to
come back every game. The others havn't like both the
wins in the Stanley Cup Final, for the Weathers have
been come from behind wins. They can't have four of
those to win the Stanley Cup. They need to come
into Edmonton Rogers Place tomorrow night. They have to establish themselves.

(11:35):
They have to get that early lead and they have
to keep that early lead. You know, they let the
Panthers tie it, so be it, But don't let the
Panthers grab a hold of this, because you do not
want to be going back to Florida on the brink
of elimination. Now that being said, the Weathers did do
that last year and managed to find restray wins to
push a game seven. But you know they have a

(11:58):
real opportunity here. You know, Edmonton's an atmosphere unlike any
other in National Hockey League, is an amazing sports city.
These fans are as passionate as can be, so they
I think they will have the juice to start this game.
I think they'll they'll they'll know the importance fere of
going up three to two in this Stanley Cup final,

(12:20):
and I think, you know, just getting that good start,
that's that's the biggest thing right now.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
How would they better have more prepared this year than
last to finish the job if possible.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It's the depth. The depth of scoring has been incredible
for the Oilers. I think ever since Karen McDavid broke
into the league in twenty fifteen, he's never had a
team that has had this many scoring forwards throughout the lineup.
It's always been him and dry Sidle and if they
aren't running, then you know the Oilers are down and out.
But the amount I think they would have like something

(12:54):
insane like twenty or so different goal scorers in this
Stanley Cup playoffs. And you know Mary Perry is forty
years old. I mean he's like second on the team
and goal staring. That's an incredible stat for this team.
And you're starting to see the importance of that. You know,
you look at the last game, McDavid and Dryseell didn't

(13:15):
score until overtime, right, you had guy like the Philly
Pod Coles and of all people netting that tying goal
or yeah, a tying goal. So that's the difference this year.
You know, they've they've gotten worse and a few other
aspects that the penalty kill being one of them. But
you know, if you're having guys scrow through the lineup,
it takes that pressure off those two big stars.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Last thing before we let you go and hope you
have a good weekend. Four games in the Stanley Cup Finals,
thirty two combined goals. That's the fourth highest in Stanley
Cup Finals history. It's been a really entertaining one aside
from Game three, especially for Edmonton fans. I don't care
about the ratings in general, but some people do pay

(13:56):
attention to that. For some reason, they pay more attention
to that in hockey than any other sport. And the
numbers are down. Why do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I really don't know this has been a fantastic Stepnique
Cup Final series. It's been one of the most exciting
that I've ever watched, and that I know I might
be a little biased because the team I cover is
in it, but like the lead changes, the comebacks, the
three of the four games went into overtime, this is

(14:26):
prime time. This is what the standing Cup Finals finals
is supposed to be like. These are the two best teams, undeniably,
and they are just in a blood bath of a series.
So I really don't have a great answer. I think
it's great hockey. I think it's great TV, great entertainment.
I don't know why the ratings would be down this year.
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