May 14, 2025 • 13 mins
With Pete Rose being posthumously reinstated for Hall of Fame eligibility, should he be enshrined despite his gambling scandals?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now that Pete Rose shoeless, Joe Jackson and others are
kind of back in the discussion for Hall of Fame. Okay,
this is a tough one. This has been a massive
debate in baseball and in sports, and it's really transcended sports.
(00:21):
It's carried over into regular conversations, not just people who
are passionate about the game of baseball, rule breakers, politicians,
people have been asked about this for decades when it
comes to reinstating Pete Rose, Okay, and it can be
(00:47):
a very emotional thing. Okay, So I want you to
remember a few things here though, so in case you
missed it, Rob Manford, the Commissioner of Major League Baseball,
announced yesterday that Rose and sixteen others, so seventeen people
in general, have been reinstated from their permanently ineligible list.
(01:10):
So that means that they can have the opportunity to
reach the Hall of Fame. Rob Manford had in the
past stood pretty firm on this. He had with Barchiamatti
had basically said, look, this is not going to nothing's
(01:36):
going to change. The ban for him and anyone else
is permanent. And now he has flip flopped. So after
spending what ten eleven years or so as the commissioner
talking about baseball integrity, oftentimes in private moments. It's been
(02:00):
reported where he has swiped it, swiped at it, I
should say sign stealing. People had a problem with illegal
what people say would cross the line in illegal ways
(02:24):
of trying to get an edge in baseball and sat
too idly by or not done enough a reminder. So
I think Pete Rose is first of all, I think
he's really underrated. Not enough people talk about him when
they talk about great hitters, talk about and I'm guilty
(02:45):
Ted Williams talk about Tony Gwynn. I think Hank Aaron's underrated.
But I've said for a while Pete Rose needs to
get mentioned more. He's an underrated He's all time hits leader,
incredible career, right spoiled stained by his own issues. Should
(03:06):
he be no longer? Look, if you want to lift
the band, that's one thing. I don't think he belongs
in the Hall of Fame. And here's why I would
tell you that. I know what people are going to say,
there's a lot of cheaters in this. Then you know
characters shouldn't matter. Okay, take the character out of it.
Do you believe in rules, any rules, rule of law,
(03:30):
rule of your home, traffic laws, any of it. Do
you believe that any of them should be followed? Most
people would say yes, you're at home. Your mom and
dad make the rules. You don't like some of them.
Sometimes you break them. There are consequences for breaking them.
(03:51):
You don't like the rules, you can't wait to get
out of the house and make your own rules. By
the way, traffic laws. If you believe in red lights?
Do you believe in stops? Do you believe in yields?
Do you believe in speeding? Do you believe in giving
way to somebody and emerge? I mean, there are certain
rules in traffic that you have to There are rules
in life, whether you like it or not. You get
(04:14):
to pay taxes. I don't necessarily like it because I
think it's too much, but whatever. Okay, When somebody does
break a rule and nothing happens to them, how upset
do you get? Quite a bit? Why do they get
away with it? I could never do that, So on
and so forth. There is a rule in Major League Baseball.
(04:35):
It is twenty one D quote any player, umpire, or
club or league official or employee who shall bet any
sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
(04:56):
the better has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible. That rule was put in place in nineteen
twenty one. It is literally put up in every clubhouse, Okay,
(05:21):
every single one. Pete Rose not only broke that rule,
he broke it multiple times, and he broke it as
a player and a manager. What he did numerous times
(05:48):
hasn't changed. Feelings may have, the rule hasn't changed. The
person who broke the rule hasn't changed. Obviously can't now.
Because what he died seven months ago, he violated the rule.
He was punished accordingly. In nineteen ninety one, the Baseball
(06:16):
Hall of Fame decided the player's rule permanently ineligible by
Major League Baseball would also be ineligible for the Hall
of Fame. In two thousand and four, Pete Rose finally
admitted he did bet on baseball. He spent years lying
(06:38):
about it. I don't care if a president or anybody
else pardons him. He broke the rules as a player
and a manager. He lied about that for decades. Finally
comes clean, and now we're supposed to say, oh, that's okay.
(07:00):
That you may not agree with lifetime bands, that's fine,
But at some point should you not at least understand
what the rule was all. I don't care if you
agree with the rule or not. The rule has been
in place since nineteen twenty one. It's a long time. Man. Oh,
(07:24):
we evolve shell the game. It's funny how we'll talk
about juiced balls, juiced bats, torpedo bats. At the beginning
of this year, we'll talk about the change in size
of bases, which many people don't like, pitchclock, all this evolution, right,
(07:47):
Not everybody's on the same page with that evolution when
it comes to baseball. There's a lot of people who
are dead set against it, and you can I suppose
it is a kind of a mixed bag. It's not
like you got to with everything that the league does,
every change that you think might be moving the game
forward or having it stuck in the past. I would
(08:10):
ask you if that rule from nineteen twenty one, that's
been in place and is on every door in every
clubhouse at every level of baseball, do you just make it,
you just get rid of the rule. Do you just
leave it wide open and say here's what we're going
(08:32):
to do. Everybody can bet on it. There's so many
problems with betting in sports right now. Look at all
the networks and the teams that are taking advantage of it,
and players are the beneficiary of that financially through a
certain way. Don't give me this, Well, why shouldn't these
(08:55):
guys be able to bet on They're making money off it.
They just can't bet on it. And imagine if they were.
You had a problem with Tim Donahey the referee, right
because you worried that there was an outcome he was
influencing the outcome of a game for his own personal gain.
(09:18):
Can you tell me how different that is for Pete Rose.
Can you explain to me how as a player and
or a manager betting on his team by the way,
how that's an issue. There's a lot of ways it's
an issue. How can you tell me it's not the
same as Tim Donahey. Both have the opportunity to influence
(09:42):
a game for their personal game. So if in nineteen
twenty one they decide hmm, every clubhouse knows this going in.
If they decide that this is against the rule, this
is not a cl this is not somebody who is
(10:02):
putting together a meal for the opposition. This is not
a clubhouse attendant. It's not a team trainer. This is
a player and later on a manager who has done this.
If you feel like get over it, let him back in,
give him a chance. Why not just do away with
(10:24):
the rule atogether. Honestly, give me the benefit, give me
the reasoning that you think he belongs. I'd love to
hear it. Our phone number on the Meyer hotline eight
six eight three eight forty eight forty three. You can
text the show sports Radio to twenty one thousand personally
(10:51):
whether Rob Manford. Look, this doesn't guarantee that he's getting
in either. Okay, what do you got to get? Twelve
of the sixteen of the Era committee is what is
now called or referred to. Nothing has changed, That's all
I'm saying. Nothing has changed when it comes to Pete Rose,
(11:11):
other than the Commissioner now saying, okay, he's no longer
on the forever banned list, if you will, so get
your thoughts on that ineligible for so long on the
ineligible list and now off it thanks to Rob Manford,
(11:33):
who has gone back and forth and who recently met
with the President. So I don't know how much influence
the president has in something like this, but I would
say he overstepped his bounds here. I don't care that
he pardoned him. I don't. It doesn't matter to me.
I know he raised the issue in March. He raised
(11:54):
the issue on his truth social account, calling him to
be elected in the Hall of Fame. That's not your lane.
Baseball's not your lane. I don't care. Go ahead and
pardon him, that's fine. President can do that. Go ahead
(12:15):
and suggest that he needs to be taken off that list.
That's fine. That's an opinion. You have opinion, I have opinion.
President can have an opinion just because he has the
most hits in baseball history, A ton of games betted
out himself, beted on his team. That doesn't matter. It's
a rule that has been broken. Am I being too
(12:36):
much of a stickler when it comes to something like this? Personally?
I don't think he's going to get in. It's ironic
too that Rose said soon before he died that he
would be elected into the Hall of Fame after he dies. HM.
(12:57):
We'll see if that does come to fruition.
Now that Pete Rose shoeless, Joe Jackson and others are
kind of back in the discussion for Hall of Fame. Okay,
this is a tough one. This has been a massive
debate in baseball and in sports, and it's really transcended sports.
(00:21):
It's carried over into regular conversations, not just people who
are passionate about the game of baseball, rule breakers, politicians,
people have been asked about this for decades when it
comes to reinstating Pete Rose, Okay, and it can be
(00:47):
a very emotional thing. Okay, So I want you to
remember a few things here though, so in case you
missed it, Rob Manford, the Commissioner of Major League Baseball,
announced yesterday that Rose and sixteen others, so seventeen people
in general, have been reinstated from their permanently ineligible list.
(01:10):
So that means that they can have the opportunity to
reach the Hall of Fame. Rob Manford had in the
past stood pretty firm on this. He had with Barchiamatti
had basically said, look, this is not going to nothing's
(01:36):
going to change. The ban for him and anyone else
is permanent. And now he has flip flopped. So after
spending what ten eleven years or so as the commissioner
talking about baseball integrity, oftentimes in private moments. It's been
(02:00):
reported where he has swiped it, swiped at it, I
should say sign stealing. People had a problem with illegal
what people say would cross the line in illegal ways
(02:24):
of trying to get an edge in baseball and sat
too idly by or not done enough a reminder. So
I think Pete Rose is first of all, I think
he's really underrated. Not enough people talk about him when
they talk about great hitters, talk about and I'm guilty
(02:45):
Ted Williams talk about Tony Gwynn. I think Hank Aaron's underrated.
But I've said for a while Pete Rose needs to
get mentioned more. He's an underrated He's all time hits leader,
incredible career, right spoiled stained by his own issues. Should
(03:06):
he be no longer? Look, if you want to lift
the band, that's one thing. I don't think he belongs
in the Hall of Fame. And here's why I would
tell you that. I know what people are going to say,
there's a lot of cheaters in this. Then you know
characters shouldn't matter. Okay, take the character out of it.
Do you believe in rules, any rules, rule of law,
(03:30):
rule of your home, traffic laws, any of it. Do
you believe that any of them should be followed? Most
people would say yes, you're at home. Your mom and
dad make the rules. You don't like some of them.
Sometimes you break them. There are consequences for breaking them.
(03:51):
You don't like the rules, you can't wait to get
out of the house and make your own rules. By
the way, traffic laws. If you believe in red lights?
Do you believe in stops? Do you believe in yields?
Do you believe in speeding? Do you believe in giving
way to somebody and emerge? I mean, there are certain
rules in traffic that you have to There are rules
in life, whether you like it or not. You get
(04:14):
to pay taxes. I don't necessarily like it because I
think it's too much, but whatever. Okay, When somebody does
break a rule and nothing happens to them, how upset
do you get? Quite a bit? Why do they get
away with it? I could never do that, So on
and so forth. There is a rule in Major League Baseball.
(04:35):
It is twenty one D quote any player, umpire, or
club or league official or employee who shall bet any
sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which
(04:56):
the better has a duty to perform, shall be declared
permanently ineligible. That rule was put in place in nineteen
twenty one. It is literally put up in every clubhouse, Okay,
(05:21):
every single one. Pete Rose not only broke that rule,
he broke it multiple times, and he broke it as
a player and a manager. What he did numerous times
(05:48):
hasn't changed. Feelings may have, the rule hasn't changed. The
person who broke the rule hasn't changed. Obviously can't now.
Because what he died seven months ago, he violated the rule.
He was punished accordingly. In nineteen ninety one, the Baseball
(06:16):
Hall of Fame decided the player's rule permanently ineligible by
Major League Baseball would also be ineligible for the Hall
of Fame. In two thousand and four, Pete Rose finally
admitted he did bet on baseball. He spent years lying
(06:38):
about it. I don't care if a president or anybody
else pardons him. He broke the rules as a player
and a manager. He lied about that for decades. Finally
comes clean, and now we're supposed to say, oh, that's okay.
(07:00):
That you may not agree with lifetime bands, that's fine,
But at some point should you not at least understand
what the rule was all. I don't care if you
agree with the rule or not. The rule has been
in place since nineteen twenty one. It's a long time. Man. Oh,
(07:24):
we evolve shell the game. It's funny how we'll talk
about juiced balls, juiced bats, torpedo bats. At the beginning
of this year, we'll talk about the change in size
of bases, which many people don't like, pitchclock, all this evolution, right,
(07:47):
Not everybody's on the same page with that evolution when
it comes to baseball. There's a lot of people who
are dead set against it, and you can I suppose
it is a kind of a mixed bag. It's not
like you got to with everything that the league does,
every change that you think might be moving the game
forward or having it stuck in the past. I would
(08:10):
ask you if that rule from nineteen twenty one, that's
been in place and is on every door in every
clubhouse at every level of baseball, do you just make it,
you just get rid of the rule. Do you just
leave it wide open and say here's what we're going
(08:32):
to do. Everybody can bet on it. There's so many
problems with betting in sports right now. Look at all
the networks and the teams that are taking advantage of it,
and players are the beneficiary of that financially through a
certain way. Don't give me this, Well, why shouldn't these
(08:55):
guys be able to bet on They're making money off it.
They just can't bet on it. And imagine if they were.
You had a problem with Tim Donahey the referee, right
because you worried that there was an outcome he was
influencing the outcome of a game for his own personal gain.
(09:18):
Can you tell me how different that is for Pete Rose.
Can you explain to me how as a player and
or a manager betting on his team by the way,
how that's an issue. There's a lot of ways it's
an issue. How can you tell me it's not the
same as Tim Donahey. Both have the opportunity to influence
(09:42):
a game for their personal game. So if in nineteen
twenty one they decide hmm, every clubhouse knows this going in.
If they decide that this is against the rule, this
is not a cl this is not somebody who is
(10:02):
putting together a meal for the opposition. This is not
a clubhouse attendant. It's not a team trainer. This is
a player and later on a manager who has done this.
If you feel like get over it, let him back in,
give him a chance. Why not just do away with
(10:24):
the rule atogether. Honestly, give me the benefit, give me
the reasoning that you think he belongs. I'd love to
hear it. Our phone number on the Meyer hotline eight
six eight three eight forty eight forty three. You can
text the show sports Radio to twenty one thousand personally
(10:51):
whether Rob Manford. Look, this doesn't guarantee that he's getting
in either. Okay, what do you got to get? Twelve
of the sixteen of the Era committee is what is
now called or referred to. Nothing has changed, That's all
I'm saying. Nothing has changed when it comes to Pete Rose,
(11:11):
other than the Commissioner now saying, okay, he's no longer
on the forever banned list, if you will, so get
your thoughts on that ineligible for so long on the
ineligible list and now off it thanks to Rob Manford,
(11:33):
who has gone back and forth and who recently met
with the President. So I don't know how much influence
the president has in something like this, but I would
say he overstepped his bounds here. I don't care that
he pardoned him. I don't. It doesn't matter to me.
I know he raised the issue in March. He raised
(11:54):
the issue on his truth social account, calling him to
be elected in the Hall of Fame. That's not your lane.
Baseball's not your lane. I don't care. Go ahead and
pardon him, that's fine. President can do that. Go ahead
(12:15):
and suggest that he needs to be taken off that list.
That's fine. That's an opinion. You have opinion, I have opinion.
President can have an opinion just because he has the
most hits in baseball history, A ton of games betted
out himself, beted on his team. That doesn't matter. It's
a rule that has been broken. Am I being too
(12:36):
much of a stickler when it comes to something like this? Personally?
I don't think he's going to get in. It's ironic
too that Rose said soon before he died that he
would be elected into the Hall of Fame after he dies. HM.
(12:57):
We'll see if that does come to fruition.
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