August 19, 2025 • 18 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thirty five after the hour Welcome Back Exus and grows
Monday through Friday, sixtion till nine. Here's our Mitch Lion's
well full question.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Of the day.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Would you trade a young Lions defensive player and a
first round pick next year for Trey Hendrickson? Yes? Or no? Now,
remember that it's it's got to be a young defensive player.
So it's not going to be Hasinin. Okay, Sorry, that's
not going to get it done. The belief is that's
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the report anyway. The belief is that that's that's what
it would take. So it's going to take a guy
like Kirby Joseph, Brian Branch, Jack Campbell, Alee McNeil. Do
you think Terry On Arnold do you think that somebody
like that Kirby Joseph is tradable at this point right
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now because of the contract?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes? Like what a team like Cincinnati want to take
that on. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I don't know what. I don't know what Cincinnati needs. Uh,
they need a lot on defense. So let me ask
let me ask you this. Do you think Trey Hendrickson
is tradable?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes, but I don't think Cincinnati has a ton of leverage.
If that makes sense, how is he tradeable? Well, because
he's not happy there.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
No, no, you use money as the example for Kirby Joseph.
Trey Hendrickson's going to make fifteen point eight this year.
He's going to get it. He's going to demand at
least thirty one next year, in the next couple of
years afterwards. How is that any more tradable than Kirby Joseph.
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You're gonna before you trade for Trey Hendrickson, You've got
to get a deal done. That's the reason he's not
showing up in Cincinnati. He doesn't have a deal. He's
going to command I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood at
thirty at least thirty million dollars a year, and it
might be more than that. He's not going to make
what Miles Garrett. He's not going to make what TJ.
(02:08):
Watt does. But he's going to get in that realm,
all right. He wants to be in that realm.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So how is that more tradable? And isn't couldn't you
argue Kirby Joseph is as good at his position as
Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is it his Yes, I just meant that from the
standpoint of like, Okay, he's not happy in Cincinnati, so
therefore the Bengals view him as tradable. If the Lions
don't view him as, you know, a guy, we'd go
get a guy that would fit our culture, a guy
that would fit into our timeline. I don't necessarily think
that's the case either.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, I think Trey Hendrickson fits their culture. I think
he fits in their timeline. I think he fits in
the type of player that he is. But financially, no way,
You're not spending You're not spending that much money on
those two positions. You're just not Yeah, nobody, nobody does that.
I've said this time and time again. Give me the
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example of a National Football League team that has two
premier defensive ends. They don't. You don't have You don't
have that in your running backfield. Rarely do you have
it as wide receivers. You don't have it in your
secondary very often, you don't have it at defensive end.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
If you have your one star yet.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And you have an if you have a star, so
you hope to who's the opposite defensive end of these guys.
It's not there.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's just not.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I know it's a big name, and I know people
think it's a want, and it should be a want
because you're not. The other guys are not proven. Man,
You're just you're too worried about it. And I don't
blame you. I'm worry might be a long, strong word,
but it's it's a situation where you feel it needs
to be addressed. It's part of the reason so many
people were freaking out on draft day because it's a
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You get a guy who is controllable financially, right, so
that's the reason why you wanted. You knew you were
going to spend a lot of money on Aiden Hutchinson,
and rightfully so. He's an absolute beast. And the other
guy you're hoping at least can can fill in for
an extended period of time under a more manageable contract. Now,
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on the other hand, you've done that by signing Marcus
Davenport to his contract. Josh Pascal Hassanin is a six
round choice. Who else do you have in there? Al
Kadeen Mohammad If he's your opposite guy, you're going to
be worried about it and rightfully so, or if he's
got to back up, because that's the reason. Again, I
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think Zadarius Smith should be a lion, and should be
a lion sometime soon. I think you will too, by
the way, I do too, based on how much money
is he going to want? How many I said this earlier,
how many snaps do you think you need him for
in a game if the other team is running, Let's
just say sixty eight plays and Aiden Hutchinson's playing. I
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don't know, forty five to fifty, which probably might be
even a little bit too much, but forty five to
fifty you need Zadarius Smith opposite Aiden Hutchinson rotational bout
you need him about twenty snaps.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I was gonna say thirty fifteen to no. Is that
over zeales?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah? I think so fifteen to twenty snaps somewhere in
that neighborhood. Yeah, because you're going to rotate him and
Marcus Davenport, Muhammad and perhaps another player in there when
they come back.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, pass rushing, pass rushing situations, blitzes, whatever, Yeah, Zadarias
Smith could slide right in at this point in his career.
I think, yeah, I think I can give you fifteen
twenty snaps.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'm gonna guess fifteen to twenty snaps. Yeah, yeah, probably
closer to twenty. But the whole Hendrickson thing is is
it's such a love affair for anybody who feels they
need that impact player, like he's the last missing piece
to the proverbial puzzle championship puzzle. I just don't think
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as much as I like him, and I've liked him
for a long time, I just don't think it's doable.
But that's what you would have to give up. You
would have to give up a really good young defensive
player for your team and then fill that void. So,
for example, if people wanted to get rid of or
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not wanted, but if they were forced to get rid
of a guy like Brian Branch, then who takes his place?
Because Maurice Norris is out right, he was destined to
be a backup guy. Dan Jackson was drafted in the
seventh round. He's out for the season. Warren Strickland, Really
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I don't see that right. The impact is not.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
To go off on this tangent, but I think the
Lions dB room is a little bit sparse right now.
So much is getting made the backup quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Khalil Dorsey was a was a plus coming back. Look
to your point with the loss of Venus Rankstraw and
the loss of Dan Jackson and the loss of Maurice Norris.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yes, I just don't know who who are your death
guys because we know who the starters are and they
should be.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Seems good he's and he's a veteran. So that's a
that's an important one. And like I said, Dorsey coming back,
but all it takes is one more.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Injury, right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think that's the case probably just about every team
and maybe in just about every single every single group
without Malcolm Rodriguez. Who are your linebackers that take over?
Franz Aloney and or Campbell?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well that's a good Anthony Pittman, Maybe he's more of
a special teamer. Grant Steward, Yeah, that's another guy you've
heard about all preseason. But yeah, so, I mean those
are the I think it's that's the hard thing about
about football and a fifty.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Three man roster. Yeah, you know, we we've said this
at nauseum, but it's true. There aren't you know, how
many teams are carrying three quarterbacks? I mean Cleveland might
carry four. From what I've read, how many teams are
carrying three quarterbacks? Deal, the Lions carry three quarterbacks. There
aren't ninety six really good quarterbacks in the world. How
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are there that many good guards, that many good linebackers. No,
there aren't that many defensive ends. You and I both
know that. Yeah, okay, So how is quarterback any different
than any other position on your team? Because one guy plays.
That's why. Whereas linebackers, you have two cornerbacks, you have
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two sometimes three safeties. You have two linemen. You have
five and they can swing possibly wide receivers. You have
three tight ends. Sometimes you go double tight running backs.
The lines are going to use Montgomery and Gibbs it
times this year right together. So there's one quarterback. There's
multiple guys on every other position. That's why we think
it's deeper. But if you take some of those guys out,
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or take one of those guys out, you got two
d ns. You take one guy out, especially if it's
an important guy. We all saw it. Look at how
much of a struggle it was Detroit's people. Forget Detroit's
defense before Aiden Hutchinson got hurt was stellar. If you
had just your starters for every single game, and that's
asking an awful lot. But if you told me right
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now that you're gonna have Arnold and Red Branch and
Joseph ANZELONEI and Campbell and the starting defensive line, I
wish you could have McNeil, but you're not going to.
But you have McNeil and you have Williams. Those are
some guys who I feel pretty good about, okay, and
that that trio of interior defensive lineman. But if you
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had these guys, you would feel really good. You would
write your ticket to the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yes, and come the Thanksgiving game against the Packers you
will have McNeil, or you'd hope so. But the point is, wait, dude,
that's a long, long wait. I know it's a long wait.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You're asking for an older DJ reader to be good,
and you're asking for a rookie to be really good.
That doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Sure, My point is, although Alee McNeil isn't ready for
the start of the season, he's coming back as soon
as he can, obviously, so.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right again, November is a long way away, man, long
way away. So my point is as much as we
would love a guy like Trey Hendrickson, the money just
doesn't seem to fit.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
People love it because it's pie in the sky and oh,
could you imagine Aiden Utchinson and Trey Hendterskon Hendrickson on
the same team. But shep, you're looking at it as like, Okay,
you've got a lot of paydays coming up for young players,
young talent. Where does Trey Hendrickson, who's probably going to
make close to a max contract as far as that
position goes, or does he slot in? He doesn't sure
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what's the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm not even sure. I look at it from that standpoint.
I look at it as two defensive ends that would
take up that much money, like Aiden Hutchinson's going to
get forty million minimum.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Right, yes, okay. And the reports are, by the way
that that deal is getting talked about.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, some some reports have that Trent, if you wanted
to get Hendrickson, that's thirty one. You're talking about seventy
one million dollars at at one position. It's the defensive
end position. If you want to call it to go ahead.
Say goodbye to Brian branchbye to Jack Campbell, say goodbye
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to Jamior Gift unless Brad Holmes and his team, because
it's not Brad Holmes doing the deal per se, it's
you know, his capologists. Unless they can get incredibly creative.
I don't see how you do it. I don't don't
as much as I would love it because I think
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the dude is a phenomenal player. I don't know how
you do it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
You have to be smart.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean, think about this for a minute. We're going
to sit here and try to tell people before the
season he even began. Somebody's you're not going to keep
them all. We've said this, and a lot of people
have said it. You're not going to be able to
keep You've already got Kirby Joseph on a long term deal.
How you're going to keep Branch, How you're going to
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keep Campbell? I think the writing's on the wall for
Azeloni on the one year deal. Okay, how you're going
to keep Hutchings? And how are you going to keep
Jamison Williams? How are you going to keep Jamior Gibbs,
How are you going to keep Samiloport. It's a really
good problem to have. That's six guys that I just
brought up all right. If you don't think you're going
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to be able to keep all of them in one season,
what do you? Or not in one season? But if
you're at one time and one, it's gonna be yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
If you if you, if you think you can keep
all those guys, the hell hell are you.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Going to be able to do it? If you bring
a guy on for another thirty one million dollars, you can't.
I don't know how people think that's possible.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's not doable. Like I used it as.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A poll question, that's fine, I just wanted to get
people's thoughts on it. It's it's really I don't see
how it's doable. What's the cap in football? Do you
know what it is?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I think it's two hundred and seventy nine million dollars.
I think Detroit. I could be wrong here, but I've
done a little bit of research. I think their cap space.
I think their cap space is fifty one mili.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, and I saw by the way I saw that
that's team.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah. New England is the only team that has more
cap space availability. But before we rush to judgment and go, well,
that's fine, go get hendrickson thirty one million minus that
is twenty million. There's a reason they're keeping the cap space.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Do you know what it is? Aiden Hutchinson, same position, right,
and arguably better. I think better?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Right, Oh, I know absolutely. I think most people would
say that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, everyone outside of the state of Ohio. But the
point is you can't. You can't put shep your original point.
You can't put seventy plus million dollars into one position.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I don't know how you think you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You just can't. It's never been done right, and a
lot of teams have had a lot of success by
ever doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you could do that on a one year deal. Okay.
San Francisco had Bosa. Why did I lose the guy's name?
Who's the kid out of Ohio state and signed there
in a one year contract? Ninety nine number nine Chase Young,
Chase Young. Thank you? They had Bosa and Chase Young.
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Chase Young was on a one year deal. Like if
you trade it for Trey Hendrickson and you got him
for the rest of this season fifteen point eight, fine, right,
I'm talking about later. He's not going to a team
unless he's getting the long term deal. Otherwise, he just
stated in Cincinnati, So to me, I think that's where
it comes into play. And I just don't see how
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that's doable for the Lions.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Or that's maybe not even smart, let alone doable. Is
it smart to do something like that? Like you said,
he got fit fifty million under the cap or whatever,
fifty one million. It's like you're going to have to
get a deal done for hutch And we talked at
nauseum about all the young guys that are gonna get
paid to or maybe not.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Remember. I mean, the cap will go up, there's no
doubt about it. Sure, the cap next year is going
to go to two hundred and ninety five million, five
hundred thousand. The following year it's going to be three
hundred and eleven thousand. But would it be smart to
eleven million.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Dollars invest that much into Trey Hendrickson when you have
a guy like Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Look, because I think you and I boll say know
it a hell of a lot better than I do,
all right, So my guess would be that they don't
do something like that and jeopardize their young core. I'll
use that phrase. So I think that's if they did that,
you know, they know what they can do. I just
don't know. I don't think you're gonna be to keep
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everybody anyway. Right once you signed Aiden Hutchinson, how are
you gonna be able to keep everybody anywhere?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
There's going to be an odd man out for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
There's gonna be maybe two maybe two man odd men out,
and that's going to frustrate some people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That's why I asked.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I asked a friend of mine this last night. You've
got do you think nobody's bringing this up? How good
Jamison Williams is is really impressive, Like, I'm really impressed
with how he's grown the last two years. Do you
think they drafted Isaac teslaw because they knew at some
point we're not gonna be able to keep Williams. Oh,
nobody's ever talked about that. That's a good discussion, but
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it's it's a possibility. I'm not saying that's the reason,
but it's a possibility. You would have two high end receivers.
You don't find that very often in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Two SEC guys.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, how's that happen? No, No, I'm talking about
high paid receivers. Saint Brown's not SEC, he's USC.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, but I'm talking to.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But I'm saying, I'm saying, would you have two high
end paid receivers in Williams and Saint Brown? Would you
have two high end safeties? And Branch and Joseph.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right the receiver models. What the Bengals are doing and
how's it done them over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I truly Yeah, their defense hasn't been loaded like Detroit,
but you're right about that. I truly believe this. I
think this might be the final year for David Montgomery
in Detroit because they're gonna have to make a decision
on Jamior Gibbs and you're not going to give up
on him as long as he's healthy this year
Thirty five after the hour Welcome Back Exus and grows
Monday through Friday, sixtion till nine. Here's our Mitch Lion's
well full question.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Of the day.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Would you trade a young Lions defensive player and a
first round pick next year for Trey Hendrickson? Yes? Or no? Now,
remember that it's it's got to be a young defensive player.
So it's not going to be Hasinin. Okay, Sorry, that's
not going to get it done. The belief is that's
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the report anyway. The belief is that that's that's what
it would take. So it's going to take a guy
like Kirby Joseph, Brian Branch, Jack Campbell, Alee McNeil. Do
you think Terry On Arnold do you think that somebody
like that Kirby Joseph is tradable at this point right
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now because of the contract?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yes? Like what a team like Cincinnati want to take
that on. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
I don't know what. I don't know what Cincinnati needs. Uh,
they need a lot on defense. So let me ask
let me ask you this. Do you think Trey Hendrickson
is tradable?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yes, but I don't think Cincinnati has a ton of leverage.
If that makes sense, how is he tradeable? Well, because
he's not happy there.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
No, no, you use money as the example for Kirby Joseph.
Trey Hendrickson's going to make fifteen point eight this year.
He's going to get it. He's going to demand at
least thirty one next year, in the next couple of
years afterwards. How is that any more tradable than Kirby Joseph.
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You're gonna before you trade for Trey Hendrickson, You've got
to get a deal done. That's the reason he's not
showing up in Cincinnati. He doesn't have a deal. He's
going to command I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood at
thirty at least thirty million dollars a year, and it
might be more than that. He's not going to make
what Miles Garrett. He's not going to make what TJ.
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Watt does. But he's going to get in that realm,
all right. He wants to be in that realm.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
All right.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So how is that more tradable? And isn't couldn't you
argue Kirby Joseph is as good at his position as
Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is it his Yes, I just meant that from the
standpoint of like, Okay, he's not happy in Cincinnati, so
therefore the Bengals view him as tradable. If the Lions
don't view him as, you know, a guy, we'd go
get a guy that would fit our culture, a guy
that would fit into our timeline. I don't necessarily think
that's the case either.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, I think Trey Hendrickson fits their culture. I think
he fits in their timeline. I think he fits in
the type of player that he is. But financially, no way,
You're not spending You're not spending that much money on
those two positions. You're just not Yeah, nobody, nobody does that.
I've said this time and time again. Give me the
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example of a National Football League team that has two
premier defensive ends. They don't. You don't have You don't
have that in your running backfield. Rarely do you have
it as wide receivers. You don't have it in your
secondary very often, you don't have it at defensive end.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
If you have your one star yet.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And you have an if you have a star, so
you hope to who's the opposite defensive end of these guys.
It's not there.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's just not.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I know it's a big name, and I know people
think it's a want, and it should be a want
because you're not. The other guys are not proven. Man,
You're just you're too worried about it. And I don't
blame you. I'm worry might be a long, strong word,
but it's it's a situation where you feel it needs
to be addressed. It's part of the reason so many
people were freaking out on draft day because it's a
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You get a guy who is controllable financially, right, so
that's the reason why you wanted. You knew you were
going to spend a lot of money on Aiden Hutchinson,
and rightfully so. He's an absolute beast. And the other
guy you're hoping at least can can fill in for
an extended period of time under a more manageable contract. Now,
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on the other hand, you've done that by signing Marcus
Davenport to his contract. Josh Pascal Hassanin is a six
round choice. Who else do you have in there? Al
Kadeen Mohammad If he's your opposite guy, you're going to
be worried about it and rightfully so, or if he's
got to back up, because that's the reason. Again, I
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think Zadarius Smith should be a lion, and should be
a lion sometime soon. I think you will too, by
the way, I do too, based on how much money
is he going to want? How many I said this earlier,
how many snaps do you think you need him for
in a game if the other team is running, Let's
just say sixty eight plays and Aiden Hutchinson's playing. I
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don't know, forty five to fifty, which probably might be
even a little bit too much, but forty five to
fifty you need Zadarius Smith opposite Aiden Hutchinson rotational bout
you need him about twenty snaps.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I was gonna say thirty fifteen to no. Is that
over zeales?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah? I think so fifteen to twenty snaps somewhere in
that neighborhood. Yeah, because you're going to rotate him and
Marcus Davenport, Muhammad and perhaps another player in there when
they come back.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, pass rushing, pass rushing situations, blitzes, whatever, Yeah, Zadarias
Smith could slide right in at this point in his career.
I think, yeah, I think I can give you fifteen
twenty snaps.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'm gonna guess fifteen to twenty snaps. Yeah, yeah, probably
closer to twenty. But the whole Hendrickson thing is is
it's such a love affair for anybody who feels they
need that impact player, like he's the last missing piece
to the proverbial puzzle championship puzzle. I just don't think
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as much as I like him, and I've liked him
for a long time, I just don't think it's doable.
But that's what you would have to give up. You
would have to give up a really good young defensive
player for your team and then fill that void. So,
for example, if people wanted to get rid of or
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not wanted, but if they were forced to get rid
of a guy like Brian Branch, then who takes his place?
Because Maurice Norris is out right, he was destined to
be a backup guy. Dan Jackson was drafted in the
seventh round. He's out for the season. Warren Strickland, Really
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I don't see that right. The impact is not.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
To go off on this tangent, but I think the
Lions dB room is a little bit sparse right now.
So much is getting made the backup quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Khalil Dorsey was a was a plus coming back. Look
to your point with the loss of Venus Rankstraw and
the loss of Dan Jackson and the loss of Maurice Norris.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yes, I just don't know who who are your death
guys because we know who the starters are and they
should be.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Seems good he's and he's a veteran. So that's a
that's an important one. And like I said, Dorsey coming back,
but all it takes is one more.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Injury, right.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
I think that's the case probably just about every team
and maybe in just about every single every single group
without Malcolm Rodriguez. Who are your linebackers that take over?
Franz Aloney and or Campbell?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well that's a good Anthony Pittman, Maybe he's more of
a special teamer. Grant Steward, Yeah, that's another guy you've
heard about all preseason. But yeah, so, I mean those
are the I think it's that's the hard thing about
about football and a fifty.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Three man roster. Yeah, you know, we we've said this
at nauseum, but it's true. There aren't you know, how
many teams are carrying three quarterbacks? I mean Cleveland might
carry four. From what I've read, how many teams are
carrying three quarterbacks? Deal, the Lions carry three quarterbacks. There
aren't ninety six really good quarterbacks in the world. How
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are there that many good guards, that many good linebackers. No,
there aren't that many defensive ends. You and I both
know that. Yeah, okay, So how is quarterback any different
than any other position on your team? Because one guy plays.
That's why. Whereas linebackers, you have two cornerbacks, you have
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two sometimes three safeties. You have two linemen. You have
five and they can swing possibly wide receivers. You have
three tight ends. Sometimes you go double tight running backs.
The lines are going to use Montgomery and Gibbs it
times this year right together. So there's one quarterback. There's
multiple guys on every other position. That's why we think
it's deeper. But if you take some of those guys out,
(09:24):
or take one of those guys out, you got two
d ns. You take one guy out, especially if it's
an important guy. We all saw it. Look at how
much of a struggle it was Detroit's people. Forget Detroit's
defense before Aiden Hutchinson got hurt was stellar. If you
had just your starters for every single game, and that's
asking an awful lot. But if you told me right
(09:47):
now that you're gonna have Arnold and Red Branch and
Joseph ANZELONEI and Campbell and the starting defensive line, I
wish you could have McNeil, but you're not going to.
But you have McNeil and you have Williams. Those are
some guys who I feel pretty good about, okay, and
that that trio of interior defensive lineman. But if you
(10:09):
had these guys, you would feel really good. You would
write your ticket to the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yes, and come the Thanksgiving game against the Packers you
will have McNeil, or you'd hope so. But the point is, wait, dude,
that's a long, long wait. I know it's a long wait.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You're asking for an older DJ reader to be good,
and you're asking for a rookie to be really good.
That doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Sure, My point is, although Alee McNeil isn't ready for
the start of the season, he's coming back as soon
as he can, obviously, so.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right again, November is a long way away, man, long
way away. So my point is as much as we
would love a guy like Trey Hendrickson, the money just
doesn't seem to fit.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
People love it because it's pie in the sky and oh,
could you imagine Aiden Utchinson and Trey Hendterskon Hendrickson on
the same team. But shep, you're looking at it as like, Okay,
you've got a lot of paydays coming up for young players,
young talent. Where does Trey Hendrickson, who's probably going to
make close to a max contract as far as that
position goes, or does he slot in? He doesn't sure
(11:18):
what's the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm not even sure. I look at it from that standpoint.
I look at it as two defensive ends that would
take up that much money, like Aiden Hutchinson's going to
get forty million minimum.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Right, yes, okay. And the reports are, by the way
that that deal is getting talked about.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, some some reports have that Trent, if you wanted
to get Hendrickson, that's thirty one. You're talking about seventy
one million dollars at at one position. It's the defensive
end position. If you want to call it to go ahead.
Say goodbye to Brian branchbye to Jack Campbell, say goodbye
(12:02):
to Jamior Gift unless Brad Holmes and his team, because
it's not Brad Holmes doing the deal per se, it's
you know, his capologists. Unless they can get incredibly creative.
I don't see how you do it. I don't don't
as much as I would love it because I think
(12:24):
the dude is a phenomenal player. I don't know how
you do it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
You have to be smart.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I mean, think about this for a minute. We're going
to sit here and try to tell people before the
season he even began. Somebody's you're not going to keep
them all. We've said this, and a lot of people
have said it. You're not going to be able to
keep You've already got Kirby Joseph on a long term deal.
How you're going to keep Branch, How you're going to
(12:51):
keep Campbell? I think the writing's on the wall for
Azeloni on the one year deal. Okay, how you're going
to keep Hutchings? And how are you going to keep
Jamison Williams? How are you going to keep Jamior Gibbs,
How are you going to keep Samiloport. It's a really
good problem to have. That's six guys that I just
brought up all right. If you don't think you're going
(13:12):
to be able to keep all of them in one season,
what do you? Or not in one season? But if
you're at one time and one, it's gonna be yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
If you if you, if you think you can keep
all those guys, the hell hell are you.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Going to be able to do it? If you bring
a guy on for another thirty one million dollars, you can't.
I don't know how people think that's possible.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
It's not doable. Like I used it as.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
A poll question, that's fine, I just wanted to get
people's thoughts on it. It's it's really I don't see
how it's doable. What's the cap in football? Do you
know what it is?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I think it's two hundred and seventy nine million dollars.
I think Detroit. I could be wrong here, but I've
done a little bit of research. I think their cap space.
I think their cap space is fifty one mili.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, and I saw by the way I saw that
that's team.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah. New England is the only team that has more
cap space availability. But before we rush to judgment and go, well,
that's fine, go get hendrickson thirty one million minus that
is twenty million. There's a reason they're keeping the cap space.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Do you know what it is? Aiden Hutchinson, same position, right,
and arguably better. I think better?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Right, Oh, I know absolutely. I think most people would
say that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, everyone outside of the state of Ohio. But the
point is you can't. You can't put shep your original point.
You can't put seventy plus million dollars into one position.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I don't know how you think you.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You just can't. It's never been done right, and a
lot of teams have had a lot of success by
ever doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you could do that on a one year deal. Okay.
San Francisco had Bosa. Why did I lose the guy's name?
Who's the kid out of Ohio state and signed there
in a one year contract? Ninety nine number nine Chase Young,
Chase Young. Thank you? They had Bosa and Chase Young.
(15:26):
Chase Young was on a one year deal. Like if
you trade it for Trey Hendrickson and you got him
for the rest of this season fifteen point eight, fine, right,
I'm talking about later. He's not going to a team
unless he's getting the long term deal. Otherwise, he just
stated in Cincinnati, So to me, I think that's where
it comes into play. And I just don't see how
(15:49):
that's doable for the Lions.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Or that's maybe not even smart, let alone doable. Is
it smart to do something like that? Like you said,
he got fit fifty million under the cap or whatever,
fifty one million. It's like you're going to have to
get a deal done for hutch And we talked at
nauseum about all the young guys that are gonna get
paid to or maybe not.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Remember. I mean, the cap will go up, there's no
doubt about it. Sure, the cap next year is going
to go to two hundred and ninety five million, five
hundred thousand. The following year it's going to be three
hundred and eleven thousand. But would it be smart to
eleven million.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Dollars invest that much into Trey Hendrickson when you have
a guy like Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Look, because I think you and I boll say know
it a hell of a lot better than I do,
all right, So my guess would be that they don't
do something like that and jeopardize their young core. I'll
use that phrase. So I think that's if they did that,
you know, they know what they can do. I just
don't know. I don't think you're gonna be to keep
(16:47):
everybody anyway. Right once you signed Aiden Hutchinson, how are
you gonna be able to keep everybody anywhere?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
There's going to be an odd man out for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
There's gonna be maybe two maybe two man odd men out,
and that's going to frustrate some people.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That's why I asked.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I asked a friend of mine this last night. You've
got do you think nobody's bringing this up? How good
Jamison Williams is is really impressive, Like, I'm really impressed
with how he's grown the last two years. Do you
think they drafted Isaac teslaw because they knew at some
point we're not gonna be able to keep Williams. Oh,
nobody's ever talked about that. That's a good discussion, but
(17:25):
it's it's a possibility. I'm not saying that's the reason,
but it's a possibility. You would have two high end receivers.
You don't find that very often in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Two SEC guys.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, how's that happen? No, No, I'm talking about
high paid receivers. Saint Brown's not SEC, he's USC.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, but I'm talking to.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But I'm saying, I'm saying, would you have two high
end paid receivers in Williams and Saint Brown? Would you
have two high end safeties? And Branch and Joseph.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Right the receiver models. What the Bengals are doing and
how's it done them over the last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I truly Yeah, their defense hasn't been loaded like Detroit,
but you're right about that. I truly believe this. I
think this might be the final year for David Montgomery
in Detroit because they're gonna have to make a decision
on Jamior Gibbs and you're not going to give up
on him as long as he's healthy this year
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