April 24, 2025 • 8 mins
Despite leading for much of the series vs. the Knicks, the Pistons are slight underdogs at home for Game 3. Is it justified?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Trenstol told me something strange during the break, and it
got me thinking. It got me playing devil's advocate, and
it got me getting angry at myself. He said the
Knicks are one point favorites at Little Caesar's and my
immediate thought, it's the same reaction every fan would have.
(00:20):
Who's a Pistons fan? What I hope that the word
disrespect isn't muttered by you, because that's ridiculous and it's
not disrespect. But usually home court in the NBA, traditionally
now is worth two to three points. So that means
they think the Knicks win outright in a close game.
I think Detroit wins rather eat. I shouldn't say easily.
(00:42):
I think Detroit wins for you and I. In the
final box score. If you weren't watching the game, you
would look at it and say, it's pretty comfortable. I
think they win between eight ten points something like that
could be way off. But when he said that to me,
I thought to myself, man, that's what are they watching
or what am I missing?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Perhaps on seeing something?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And then you look at it a little bit closer
and you're like, Okay, the Knicks did have fifty one
I try to put myself in the other person's shoes.
So try to picture yourself as a Knicks fan for
a moment, or just reverse the rules. You don't want
to do that. I don't blame you, overrated franchise. Put
the Pistons with their numbers. And then somebody's saying to
(01:22):
you what you have been saying about the Knicks. Fifty
one wins, seven more than your team's got. That's significant.
And before you go, well, seventy percent of those wins
are against teams under five hundred. Seventy three percent of
your wins are against teams under five hundred. Before you
(01:45):
say home court really matters, understand this. The Knicks have
more road wins than the Pistons have home wins this year.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
They've also been really good in close games. We just
talked about clutch Player of the Year Jan Brunson. In
order to win that, you have to be in a
lot of close games with five points, with five minutes
or less. Yeah, So I'm just saying that's a reason
for optimism if you're a Knicks fan.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely right, exactly. They're seven and three and
three point games.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You go, all right, Okay, they're thirty one and nineteen
and ten point games.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Would you take that?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't know what you consider it to be close games?
I would say three point games pretty damn good. Only
Boston was better there, youngst they were eight and three
in three point games. The Pistons, in case you were wondering,
eight and six in three point games. All right, neither team,
believe it or not, neither team had a winning record
(02:39):
against teams that were over five hundred. The Knicks didn't
and the Pistons didn't. In fact, Cleveland, Boston and Indiana
are the only teams in the East who had winning
records against teams over five hundred. Goes back to what
I've said for a while now about Indiana, who, by
(03:01):
the way, six and two enclose games. Not bad, right,
People weren't believing in them.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
The people were just all over.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And perhaps Milwaukee comes back and beats them, I doubt it,
but people were all over. You know, Cleveland, Boston understood
Cleveland and most wins in the East. Boston's defending champions.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They deserve it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
They've got a lot of talent, they've got great chemistry,
they've got really good coaching, and people at least in
Detroit Pistons instead of the Knicks. I'm like, what about Indiana?
That's because why where's the star power there? Remember Tyre's
Helburton voted overrated? So is that a star? Do you
view Pascal Siakam as a star? A lot of people don't.
(03:47):
And Rick Carlisle went off the other day about Halburton
being the most overrated.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Halburton said, Look, I don't pay attention to that, and
that's cool. That's what you're supposed to say.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I think he's good player, had a double double the
other day. You're supposed to say that. But deep down inside,
he's like someone you know, he's on the floor, he's
guarding somebody, or he's walking that ball at the floor.
He's probably at some point at some point, not all
the time, but at some point it's like, I wonder
if this dude voted against me. I think I'm gonna
school him right now. Anyway, those are the things that
I was thinking about when Trent told me this about
(04:20):
New York being a one point favorite. Wow, But maybe
I shouldn't be so surprised. I'm hanging my hat on
the fact that Detroit has been better in at least
six of the eight quarters played so far. All right,
and I'm I'm being objective here, you know me, I'm
an objective person.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I don't I don't. I mean want my.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Team to win all the time. Everybody does. That doesn't
mean I always think they're going to win. I have
no problem admitting the other teams better. I have no
problem looking at the other team and going this is
going to be a tough ask. I said that about,
you know, the National Championship. When Michigan played Villanova. I
left that film room, looked at Terry Mills and said,
(05:05):
I don't think Michigan's winning this game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I said that privately.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I would never say that, you know, publicly, But at
the time, I'm like Louisville twenty thirteen. I'm like, Michigan's
a better team. I think they're gonna win the National
Championship this year. Desperately wanted it, and I know I
get it. Best team doesn't always win. We've said that
time and time again. I mentioned the Dallas Colorado series.
I mean, how do the Dallas Stars lead for sixty
two seconds for the entire series and be up two
(05:31):
games to one. These things happen, especially in hockey, but
in basketball, I can admit the other teams better. I'm
I'm falling back to the fact that while the Pistons
won three out of.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Four against New York during the regular season.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Folks, if if you and I say that, then why
do we give any credence to believing that the postseason
is different. That's what people keep telling us. The playoffs
are different. Shop, Well, the playoffs are different, then shouldn't
you throw the regular season meeting against one another right
out the flip and window?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah? You should.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, then stop using that as your basis. The basis
should be how they have played in the first two games,
and Detroit has been the better team period.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And you say six out of eight corners, I say
at least eighty of the ninety six minutes for tat
depends just how people are looking.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We're looking at at a four almost a five minutes
stretch where it was a twenty one to nothing run,
and that's convenient for us to say that, and that's
really not true. There are other aspects. There are other runs,
there are other moments where New York was better. I
think you'd be really hard pressed to find that. In
Game two, I thought Detroit was much better. But there
(06:52):
was a stretch where Detroit's lead was thirteen and suddenly
it's down to four. So don't tell me that. And
I'm not saying you. I'm saying don't don't tell me that.
You know, Detroit has been It's been blatantly obvious for
every single quarter, in every single minute.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
No Game two got tied.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Game two was tied down the stretch till Dennis Shruder
hit the big fil So there you go.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, so there was a thirteen This is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Not every game is going to be okay, c blowing
the doors off their first round.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Opponent fifty points or whatever it was for the Gamme.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Memphis, it was fifty one, right, and then they turn
around and they they scorch him again.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But here's the thing, shout don't I don't think anyone
wants to work. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Anyone would argue that the Pistons should be like six
point favorites in this game. I just, if anything, I
think it should be flipped. They should be one point favorites.
You want to make it close to a pick them,
that's fine, there's no reason they should be underdogs in
Game three.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
At why Why does it matter?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It really doesn't, Okay, because you and I are both
confident they're gonna win. So at the end of the day, yeah,
I'm confident they're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I don't. Vegas is usually pretty damn good. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
We understand that the people know what they're doing. People
at Soaring Eagle Casino Resort know what the hell they're
doing when it comes to this stuff too. I don't
look at it like the be all end all and
that we should be completely offended.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's one flipping point. Who cares? Okay, that's all I'm
telling you.
Trenstol told me something strange during the break, and it
got me thinking. It got me playing devil's advocate, and
it got me getting angry at myself. He said the
Knicks are one point favorites at Little Caesar's and my
immediate thought, it's the same reaction every fan would have.
(00:20):
Who's a Pistons fan? What I hope that the word
disrespect isn't muttered by you, because that's ridiculous and it's
not disrespect. But usually home court in the NBA, traditionally
now is worth two to three points. So that means
they think the Knicks win outright in a close game.
I think Detroit wins rather eat. I shouldn't say easily.
(00:42):
I think Detroit wins for you and I. In the
final box score. If you weren't watching the game, you
would look at it and say, it's pretty comfortable. I
think they win between eight ten points something like that
could be way off. But when he said that to me,
I thought to myself, man, that's what are they watching
or what am I missing?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Perhaps on seeing something?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
And then you look at it a little bit closer
and you're like, Okay, the Knicks did have fifty one
I try to put myself in the other person's shoes.
So try to picture yourself as a Knicks fan for
a moment, or just reverse the rules. You don't want
to do that. I don't blame you, overrated franchise. Put
the Pistons with their numbers. And then somebody's saying to
(01:22):
you what you have been saying about the Knicks. Fifty
one wins, seven more than your team's got. That's significant.
And before you go, well, seventy percent of those wins
are against teams under five hundred. Seventy three percent of
your wins are against teams under five hundred. Before you
(01:45):
say home court really matters, understand this. The Knicks have
more road wins than the Pistons have home wins this year.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
They've also been really good in close games. We just
talked about clutch Player of the Year Jan Brunson. In
order to win that, you have to be in a
lot of close games with five points, with five minutes
or less. Yeah, So I'm just saying that's a reason
for optimism if you're a Knicks fan.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely right, exactly. They're seven and three and
three point games.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
You go, all right, Okay, they're thirty one and nineteen
and ten point games.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Would you take that?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't know what you consider it to be close games?
I would say three point games pretty damn good. Only
Boston was better there, youngst they were eight and three
in three point games. The Pistons, in case you were wondering,
eight and six in three point games. All right, neither team,
believe it or not, neither team had a winning record
(02:39):
against teams that were over five hundred. The Knicks didn't
and the Pistons didn't. In fact, Cleveland, Boston and Indiana
are the only teams in the East who had winning
records against teams over five hundred. Goes back to what
I've said for a while now about Indiana, who, by
(03:01):
the way, six and two enclose games. Not bad, right,
People weren't believing in them.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
The people were just all over.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And perhaps Milwaukee comes back and beats them, I doubt it,
but people were all over. You know, Cleveland, Boston understood
Cleveland and most wins in the East. Boston's defending champions.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They deserve it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
They've got a lot of talent, they've got great chemistry,
they've got really good coaching, and people at least in
Detroit Pistons instead of the Knicks. I'm like, what about Indiana?
That's because why where's the star power there? Remember Tyre's
Helburton voted overrated? So is that a star? Do you
view Pascal Siakam as a star? A lot of people don't.
(03:47):
And Rick Carlisle went off the other day about Halburton
being the most overrated.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Halburton said, Look, I don't pay attention to that, and
that's cool. That's what you're supposed to say.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I think he's good player, had a double double the
other day. You're supposed to say that. But deep down inside,
he's like someone you know, he's on the floor, he's
guarding somebody, or he's walking that ball at the floor.
He's probably at some point at some point, not all
the time, but at some point it's like, I wonder
if this dude voted against me. I think I'm gonna
school him right now. Anyway, those are the things that
I was thinking about when Trent told me this about
(04:20):
New York being a one point favorite. Wow, But maybe
I shouldn't be so surprised. I'm hanging my hat on
the fact that Detroit has been better in at least
six of the eight quarters played so far. All right,
and I'm I'm being objective here, you know me, I'm
an objective person.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I don't I don't. I mean want my.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Team to win all the time. Everybody does. That doesn't
mean I always think they're going to win. I have
no problem admitting the other teams better. I have no
problem looking at the other team and going this is
going to be a tough ask. I said that about,
you know, the National Championship. When Michigan played Villanova. I
left that film room, looked at Terry Mills and said,
(05:05):
I don't think Michigan's winning this game.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I said that privately.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I would never say that, you know, publicly, But at
the time, I'm like Louisville twenty thirteen. I'm like, Michigan's
a better team. I think they're gonna win the National
Championship this year. Desperately wanted it, and I know I
get it. Best team doesn't always win. We've said that
time and time again. I mentioned the Dallas Colorado series.
I mean, how do the Dallas Stars lead for sixty
two seconds for the entire series and be up two
(05:31):
games to one. These things happen, especially in hockey, but
in basketball, I can admit the other teams better. I'm
I'm falling back to the fact that while the Pistons
won three out of.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Four against New York during the regular season.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Folks, if if you and I say that, then why
do we give any credence to believing that the postseason
is different. That's what people keep telling us. The playoffs
are different. Shop, Well, the playoffs are different, then shouldn't
you throw the regular season meeting against one another right
out the flip and window?
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Yeah? You should.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, then stop using that as your basis. The basis
should be how they have played in the first two games,
and Detroit has been the better team period.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And you say six out of eight corners, I say
at least eighty of the ninety six minutes for tat
depends just how people are looking.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We're looking at at a four almost a five minutes
stretch where it was a twenty one to nothing run,
and that's convenient for us to say that, and that's
really not true. There are other aspects. There are other runs,
there are other moments where New York was better. I
think you'd be really hard pressed to find that. In
Game two, I thought Detroit was much better. But there
(06:52):
was a stretch where Detroit's lead was thirteen and suddenly
it's down to four. So don't tell me that. And
I'm not saying you. I'm saying don't don't tell me that.
You know, Detroit has been It's been blatantly obvious for
every single quarter, in every single minute.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
No Game two got tied.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Game two was tied down the stretch till Dennis Shruder
hit the big fil So there you go.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, so there was a thirteen This is gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Not every game is going to be okay, c blowing
the doors off their first round.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Opponent fifty points or whatever it was for the Gamme.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Memphis, it was fifty one, right, and then they turn
around and they they scorch him again.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But here's the thing, shout don't I don't think anyone
wants to work. I don't think.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Anyone would argue that the Pistons should be like six
point favorites in this game. I just, if anything, I
think it should be flipped. They should be one point favorites.
You want to make it close to a pick them,
that's fine, there's no reason they should be underdogs in
Game three.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
At why Why does it matter?
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It really doesn't, Okay, because you and I are both
confident they're gonna win. So at the end of the day, yeah,
I'm confident they're gonna win.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
I don't. Vegas is usually pretty damn good. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
We understand that the people know what they're doing. People
at Soaring Eagle Casino Resort know what the hell they're
doing when it comes to this stuff too. I don't
look at it like the be all end all and
that we should be completely offended.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
It's one flipping point. Who cares? Okay, that's all I'm
telling you.
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