10 Trades That Would Change the NFL

A room filled with some heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal and Patrick Claybon catch up on the news around the league, including the Titans recent roster cuts (8:45), Denver hiring Vance Joseph as Defensive Coordinator (13:40), Aaron Rodgers leaving his darkness retreat (16:19), and a new Netflix series (20:29). Then, the heroes pitch 10 trade proposals that could happen over the next few weeks involving Lamar Jackson (24:09), Russell Wilson (30:17), DeAndre Hopkins (36:42), the number one overall pick in the 2023 draft (38:56), Keenan Allen (44:16), Mike Evans (45:50), Cam Jordan (52:03), Darren Waller (53:02), Derrick Henry (54:50), and Jalen Ramsey (1:00:49).

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Around the NFL podcast. It's curious if they're allowed
to make fun of JJ Watt's clothing line. Now, oh boy,
too soon, Now I'm afraid from the Chris Westling podcast studio,
it's around the NFL. I am Dan hanssh That one's

(00:23):
from the archive. Cost us a trip to London, two story, Um,
Dan hands us here Greg Rosenthal and it's that laugh
the great Patrick Claibon back in the studio with us,
Buddy and back uh in this studio, but in this
building since three am. So we respect you and I

(00:45):
am thankful. Well, no, I finally I would I could have.
I would have come into here on an off day.
I would have come into and off day. And you've
done any time with you guys, I have and I
will again. One of the great, one of the great
satellite heroes. Patrick Claibon. Well, you have this great crew. Um.
I love the off season. I love how we were
able to do it with the Friday show this year

(01:06):
with Patrick involved and I and and this it's it's notable,
Greggy that so much change around us through the years. Yeah,
we have this nice core. It makes me comfortable personally.
I like it. I do think about that, because there's
been a lot of turnover at this company, right, but
you would, you would look around us. The people were

(01:27):
closest too for the most part. Pat you know, we've
all been we've been here a while now ten years.
It's a testament to you guys. Ten plus for twelve.
I don't know. Okay, Yeah, a lot going on, well
actually not a ton going on right now from when
we last um spoke with you on Tuesday. But we'll

(01:48):
get caught up on the news and we'll do some
We're gonna throw out some trades because Greg, the trades
tsunami could be ready to crash. I think it's coming.
Not enough good free agents, so I think you can
get some good players via trade, right, and we're having
it with some urgency. We're doing it on today's show
because it could happen now. There could be an announcement

(02:09):
now during the show of a trade all through next week.
Speaking next week, we're gonna have some good stuff. We
have Greggy's top one on one free agents. Bang. We're
gonna go around the AFC and around the NFC. Bang. Bang.
That's a big week. Is that combine week? We have
the Combine I think we were doing around AFC NFC
the following week. Yeah, it's all coming up. That's fine,

(02:31):
close enough. Before we get into the news. Hey, I
want to talk about Dom dom Capers. Let's just start here.
That's what everyone's talking about. It kind of is yesterday.
Dom Caper was Dom Capers, who was the first head
coach ever of the Carolina Panthers when they joined the
NFL in nineteen ninety five. I believe he was introduced

(02:52):
as the senior defensive assistant, where he will be working
scouting opponents and doing works work behind the scenes with
defensive coordinator A giro Evarro. Evera, we talked about this
seven minutes. There's so many different pronunciation GUIDs. It meant

(03:16):
so much to me to stick the landing on that one,
and I blew it. I'll trust Greg, all right, I don't.
I'm just reading off the two thousand and seventeen through
two thousand and twenty RAMS pronunciation guide And I just
want to say I have a take on the press
conference for Dom. He's seventy two years old. He has
a certain follical strategy that he's using that would that

(03:38):
invited UM a lot of let's say criticism or bits
people had bits on twitterers, snickers h and I just
want to say, listen, Dom, hey man, it's his life.
He's taken the strategy uh with it's kind of a
Lego esque Look, I'm not judging him for it. He

(04:01):
could do whatever he wants. He's seventy two, He's had
a great life. I have more of a take with
because when they bring out Dom the Panthers to speak
with the media, it's kind of a it's a cool
thing for the organization because there is this full circle
nature to it, and he's this guy that obviously has
connections with the city and the media and obviously the team.

(04:24):
And yet when he does his press conference and speaking
from the heart about his career and where it is
and where it is now, nobody's talking about that. Everybody's
talking about his hair. And it did make me think
about as another example, Ben McAdoo. Remember when he got
the Giant's job and he lost a bunch of weight
before he got the job, probably as part of to
look good to get a job. But he didn't have

(04:45):
a new suit, so he had the oversized David Byrne
talking head suit that he wore at the press conference,
and it kind of made him a bit of a
laughing stock after that. My take on this is, this
is a big business. These are billion dollars franchises. Let's
get a stylist involved. Let's protect these guys a little
bit because they're football coaches, you know, and especially the

(05:07):
senior ones. Let's for Dom as an example. Let's put
a hat on Dom and be like, Tom, we're gonna
work with you on this, and we're gonna get this
in a different place by the time we're doing pressors
at OTA's just work with us and let us take
care of this, because otherwise you're gonna have people talking
about you in a way you don't want them to
talk about you. Same thing with Macdo you're in the
New York Giants, you're a Tiffany franchise. Somebody's got to

(05:28):
see what the suit looks like, and somebody's got to
give him a tailored suit. He represents the franchise. That's
my take. It's it's an interesting take. Thank you, Hi.
You guys know me, I'm pretty anti fashion. My number
one fashion take is it doesn't matter, Oh do you
have a nice cable? You know, it's a little annoyed
because you're such a tremendously handsome fellow that you could

(05:49):
put on anything and you look good. Some of us
have to work a lot harder just to look decent.
But I just want to say there's some subtexts argument
by Dan, but ultimately, as you said at the start,
Don should wear whatever he wants. He can take whatever
follicle strategy. I'm the line is very crispy and we

(06:10):
should all aspire to that. Okay, I can't get there anymore,
but but Dom is right there. We've been mcadoo's suits.
If people maybe would have trusted that he made through
the right decision, as Greg Rosenthal said at the time,
by putting Eli on the bench and putting in if
if changing suits would have made people respect that decision more,
then net problem is on the people. It's not on

(06:32):
Ben McAdoo should wear whatever he wants. Don could have
his hair or however wants. None of it actually matters.
It's all just vibes. We should evaluate people on what
they do. So Don has been wearing that hair style
for a long time, as long as I've seen him. Yeah,
it's called it. I call it horizontal and tight, right,
it looks it looks like it's lined up essentially. But

(06:56):
I covered the Packers during the twenty ten Super Bowl
against the Steelers. It was like on the beat where
I was covering them each day that week, and I
made it my business to get as close as I
could to his hair. Sure, many times you want to
smell it, just to like see what was going on,

(07:17):
And it all looked very like. I didn't see any Uh,
you think it was natural. You're saying I don't think
it was because it makes no sense, But you weren't
seeing any thing that would indicate that it wasn't like
it looked better is what I was really wanted to
get to and more lifelike in person, like a few
inches away from it. So maybe his wife likes it. Yeah,

(07:37):
and just and so if people are curious because I
know I talk about my hair, other people talk about
my hair, um that if I was the stylist, it's true,
the follicle stylist of the Carolina Panthers. When you saw
Dom Capers at OTA's, he looked like freaking Elvis the
nineteen sixty eight Comeback special. It would be people would

(07:59):
be talking about him in a totally different way. So
give him a chance to be a hero in that sense.
What a staff though that Frank Cranks put together. When
I was mentioned all those wild names last show, I
didn't even mention old old m seventy two years young.
Let's do some news. I don't know what you mean,
but it's Zaddi. Yeah, I don't know what. Nobody's underdog.

(08:24):
That's my man's right there, CD Lamb on around the
NFL Live from the Super Bowl. Uh, a couple of
weeks back. Now he might come up a little bit
later in conversation. Um, but starting now, let's uh, you know,

(08:45):
check in with our producer Justin Graver, who was trapped
behind a parking gate earlier this morning and he had
still found a way to get here on time for
the taping. Um, your Tennessee Titans. Obviously they made that
runs few years, got close to the Bowl, never quite
made it, and now it's time to let's see reload, rebuild, retool.

(09:11):
The Titans released Robert Woods, one and done wide receiver.
He was disappointing with them this past season, although issues
a quarterback an offensive line certainly didn't help anyone on
that offense. Taylor Luan who was a mainstay on that
offensive line for years, and it appears he has headed
potentially toward retirement. Zack Cunningham and even Big Bone Randy
Bullock their kicker, all released as the Titans transition into

(09:36):
a new phase of the organization. Still unclear what's going
to happen with Ryan Tannehill, also Derrick Henry, who I
whope maybe comes up later in this episode. Your thoughts,
justin Graver. Titans were like twenty three twenty five million
dollars over the cap something like that before these moves,
and now they're about four million dollars under the cap.

(09:58):
So I think most Titans fans who have been following
along knew these cuts were coming. A lot of people
still waiting to find out if Bud Dupree will be released.
There was also reports that Zach Cunningham was released the linebackers,
so I mentioned, Oh yes, that's all good. Sorry, Sorry
you were stuck behind a cage for hours. That was
really fun trying to leave my apartment this morning and
the garage gate doesn't open anyway. So yeah, these moves

(10:21):
kind of they were like Titans fans expected them, but
still creates a whole left tackle you had to back
up playing there all last season. Who's also going to
be a free agent and wide receiver one of the
weaker groups in the league, probably looking to draft somebody there.
Don't trade for a thirty year old wide receivers coming
off major injuries. NFL teams, I think that would be

(10:42):
the Titans have done it two years in a row,
Julio Jones and Robert Woods, and it didn't really work out.
The Woods was a trade. I sort of forgot that, yeah,
and he like requested apparently Tennessee was what if they
give up for him? I think it was a fourth
round pick, not bad, but then he tweeted immediately free
yesterday and apparently there's like reports that he and Mike

(11:05):
Vrabel kind of clashed. So I don't know what to
make of. That's a tough season, Yeah, Tennessee, you can
make the case they had a whole at left tackle
when Luan was there as well well. He was struggling
and injured. That contract they gave him ended up being
a little bit of a disaster just because he got
hurt so much. I don't know whether I should put
him on the top one to one maybe at the
very end. I don't know. He hasn't been able to

(11:27):
stay on the field, but Ran Carthon has a lot
to do. Their new their new GM. This is a
rebuilding team, even though they have the same head coach,
like they are starting from scratch, almost as much as
any team in the league. I wonder if one, oh,
don't oh, that's if you show anyone, they will take
a finger comes out a picture. Um. Yeah, Luan's only

(11:48):
thirty one. UM. He has a peed suspension on his ledger. Um.
He tore his ACL in Week five of twenty twenty,
suffered another season ending n the injuries, you know, just
two games into this past season. So he's played only
twenty games UM in the past three years. I did
read somewhere that retirement was a real possibility for him.

(12:09):
Has a successful podcast. He said on his podcast this
week that his knee is still not right, that he
still said he needs to get the juice in his knee,
and he also said that he would rather retire than
go to a AFC South team that's not the Titans. Okay,
we've got some breaking news coming up here. The juice
in or out of his knee right. Based on this situation, Graver,

(12:30):
hit it, hit it. Oh, this could be a great
synchronization based on those juice comments that Justin Graver just
gave me. I am now removing Taylor law from the
top one on one. Patrick can see me doing it.
He technically was at one on four, but he would
have gotten in there eventually. That is if horrendous use

(12:51):
of the breaking news drop. This is I just wanted
to let people if you can't be responsible with the drop, Greggy,
I thought you were gonna about to say that, like
Ian was reporting, there's retiring. I mean, sometimes you gotta,
you know, I use the drop as a comedic element.
I will make the case that Greg making the announcement
about Taylor Lawan's not placement on the one on one
is more important news than his retirement. Okay, wow, I

(13:15):
just s I heard that the juice when he needed
the bore juice that you gotta get off the list
does have a PD suspension, So maybe the juice is
maybe the juice needs to be loose, all right, I
think that the breaking news drop is sacred personally, but
agree to disagree on that one. In other news and
Big Bone Randy times, they are changing titans EATA kicker.

(13:40):
The Broncos bring back Vance Joseph after a series of
interviews helmed by Sean Payton, the new head coach in Denver.
He goes with Vance Joseph, who has obvious history with
the never Broncos. He was once their head coach and
now he's back in the DC position. Other notable names
Patrick viewed for the job, including Rex Ryan, who's probably

(14:02):
a little bit annoyed Rex as someone who followed Rex
very closely. Obviously, he went from you know, top of
the world head coach to now he can't even land
a DC job. So I guess back to ESPN with him,
maybe he'll get back on the campaign trail. He had
a lot of success with wait Kit before we moved
from Rex. Can I make one little point when these
reports come out whenever Rex kind of does anything that

(14:24):
he's like a really strong candidate in Denver and this
that and the does he think like being such a
media funnel as helping him? I don't think it's helping him.
Maybe that's not why Sean Payton didn't hire him. But
anytime Rex Ryan gets any little interest from the NFL,
there's like four different reporters that's like, looks like Rex
Ryan is getting this job, and it's like that almost

(14:47):
immediately lets the coach know, like, oh, this is gonna
be kind of a headache. Having Rex Ryan is the
never a lot of sense to me, Like it didn't
feel like Sean Payton and Rex Ryan for whatever reason,
felt like a good match. And I also thought, like
worked under it. Yeah, maybe it's for a while. Maybe
it was a favorite to Rob that maybe that was
a um but Rex. I also thought Rex would never

(15:09):
go back um on the sideline if he wasn't a
head coach, and he's probably not going to ever get
a head coach job again. So it surprise me that
he was even doing that and didn't work out. But
Vance Joseph is there in that position justin. Graver listens
to our shows so closely that he was upset that Mark,
our good friend right out this week, was not here

(15:32):
so that Mark could capitalize on a long standing take
that they should bring Vance Joseph back as a defensive coordinator,
a take that Dan and I had no recollection of
a longstanding That's what Graver said that he had been
saying that all season, said it a few times. I
hope I am remembering that correctly, because now I'm a
good job by you. I wouldn't trust these you definitely

(15:52):
listen to That's how we have so many shows, so
many takes. Uh, justin. I hope you're right on that one,
because the listeners really having the time of my life.
The listeners will hold you to it. Uh. Let's see
how much they've changed in Denver by the way, Like
you know, it's like, oh, that's weird. He's going back
to the place he was just fired. But there's a

(16:14):
different owner, a different head coach. Nothing is the same.
Aaron Rodgers has left his Darkness Retreat. I'm about that.
Scott Burman, who owns Skycave Retreats, said Rogers left the
dark room and the facility on Wednesday. Rogers, of course,

(16:36):
is at the center of the offseason scuttle butt. He
is under contract with the Packers for nearly sixty million
guaranteed if he plays in twenty twenty three, but there
is a lot of speculation that perhaps his time with
Green Bays over even if he continues to play football.
We shall see. Um. I thought, I don't know why
I when I saw this update first it's funny that

(16:56):
reporters are calling around to different darkness retreats they find
the one Aaron Rodgers is out and good reporting by
the people involved. Um. But also I was a little
bit I thought that Aaron Rodgers would be more organic
than that. I thought he would find his own cave
and be in the darkness in a very pure, non

(17:16):
commercial way. So the fact that he went to sky
Cave Retreats, that just that makes me think maybe I
want Derek Carr on the jets instead. That's it. That's it.
I think that's February twenty twenty three. The Skycave Retreats
bothers me. It seems you said you had a take
on this story. You almost didn't discuss it, and this
is quite a take. I thought, Yeah, I thought it

(17:37):
was something a little more crunchy, given um, the path
he's taken in life. This is you wanted him to
go kind of yeah. I wanted it to be something
like an eternal journey that he went on deep into
like the woods. The fact that he just googled darkness
retreats and then got on a private jet and went
to this place and then stayed for a couple of
you gotta have the person to drop the food into

(17:57):
the hole or whatever. It's more than just darkness. You're
embracing the energy of the universe. This is right for
like seventeen hundred dollars an hour. Yeah, because you have
to have a trained professional. You can't just have any darkness.
You can't just go because you just only like a
three hundred square feet though. That's pretty hardcore. Yeah, So
that that that did bother me, that that it wasn't official. Um,

(18:22):
I might have a similar situation going on because movers
arrive tomorrow. Uh in I'm moving, but we had ordered
a new bed for the new place and it hasn't
arrived yet, and I still have the old place until
the end of the month. And I think so I
might stay in the old place in the old bed
because there's nowhere to sleep in the new bed. But
just bas no, we have like five more days, so

(18:46):
I think that is going to be my five day
darkness retreat in my old house. You could foil the
windows in the empty house and then sell it as
a darkness retreat, all right. You just put some astrological
information up there and people will flock to it. I um,
when I was living on the Upper West Side in
New York. They it was this old building. It was
a fifth floor walk up, and loved living there was

(19:08):
a great place eighty second in Amsterdam. And as happens,
especially in New York, but especially in that area, it
was decided that it was going to be sold to
a developer who would turn it into a luxury condominium.
So we got booted out of the place, and I
was working at MLB dot com on the southern end
of Manhattan, and there I didn't really have a place
to live for like a couple of months, so I

(19:30):
had spent a lot of time at my buddies Bob's
in Brooklyn. But sometimes when I didn't want to go
through that, I would just like go up to the
old apartment that was still everything was still there, and
I just the key still worked, and I just slept
on the couch. Multiple times months after our lease had
lapsed and the entire building was empty. It was a
little scary, to be honest with you, but I could
steal Wi Fi from an apartment across the way, and

(19:53):
there was enough light coming in because there were no
blinds that it wasn't a darkness retreat. And that was
a nice little life pack for the old zuser in Manhattan.
I would argue you were morally obligated to do that,
considering that they free the option and put you on
the street. I like that that was the only way
to go. It's a lot of sleeping in strange place
content today. Before the show too, Patrick talked about how

(20:15):
occasionally at the old NFL building he set up a mattress,
an air mattress when he had the three am shift. Yeah,
when you can. You have a small child at home,
not a lot of sleep there, when you can. And finally,
net Netflix announces a QB series. What's it called Grave Diggers?
It called Quarterback. Yes see. I kind of like that.

(20:37):
It's just like, we're not fusing around here. It's Quarterback, um,
and we'll focus on the lives and careers of quarterbacks.
Patrick Mahomes, that's a pretty good get for the series.
Kirk Cousins, that's kind of a great get for people
that find that guy interesting. Uh I do. I honestly

(20:57):
find Kirk Cousins interesting. Not that he he's an interesting guy, right,
this is what makes him tick? What is up with Kirk?
I don't know if we're gonna get to I don't know.
I feel like he's I don't The less I know,
the better. I feel like, keep the mystery around Kirk. Well, okay,
and I want to see like the Kirk Cousins who

(21:21):
did a gender reveal and almost missed the target. Like,
I want to see what's going on at Cousins mansion. Anyway,
Netflix is doing that series, and I like that. I
love quarterbacks and getting behind the scenes. Look, especially with
mahomes about give it to Me. I will be curious
to see how they handle the Mariota getting benched and

(21:43):
then leaving the team because waiting mid season for the
birth of his daughter. Wait, did they I don't know
enough about the series, so it's covering him across the season. Yeah,
oh okay, great, it's pretty good too. I'm all about
streaming services doing football content. Get at me, hit me up,
connect with Patrick Clay. They have they have a similar

(22:05):
ish tennis one. They had the f one. Now they
have a tennis one and it's it's up and down.
It took out a few episodes to get going. I
thought it was great. Did you watch it? I love streaming. Yeah,
the mega watts smile hire this man. Let's take a
break and we will pitch some trades. All right, mind,

(22:38):
it's time for Navigating Trades and Free Agency, presented by Toyota. Uh. Greg,
it is the I just heard um. I checked with
the Associated Press. This is the fifth anniversary of your
Trade Tsunami column. Uh. And obviously it's take on a
life of its own in the years since it's it's

(23:00):
it's it's washed over the mainstream. At this point, it's
only picked up. Unfortunately, like a lot of climate change,
like it just gets worse and worse the trades last season.
At this point it's out of my control. Trade Tsunami
lives bigger than me. And I'd love the NFL is
embracing this, you know, embracing the chaos. Yeah, it makes
it more fun to follow in the off season Fox Show,

(23:23):
including when the actual deadline is come around Halloween every year,
it just you know, big names will be moving. So
this will be an opportunity for us to throw out
some trades. And just to be clear, these are going
to be trades that we believe can happen. These are
trades that have they're rooted in a realistic nature. Okay,

(23:50):
the rooted. I'm searching for the word. I can't find it.
So I'm gonna throw to Patrick to get us going.
And when I do think of the word, I will
probably interrupt you. But rooted in go ahead, all right?
So the first trade, and I'm glad that I'm going first,
because you guys are probably going to think about this.
The Atlanta Falcons send pick number one oh eight, excuse me,

(24:13):
one oh nine, pick number eight, a twenty twenty three
first rounder in a conditional twenty twenty four first round pick,
to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for the Lamar Demitrius Sho.
You came off the top roup to begin with. Wait,
you have to re read the so I need to
hear it. Those Let's start the present with Lamar, the

(24:35):
top ten pick rooted in reality. He was the word
you were looking at A well, not really bad. I
don't think this is unrealistic. I don't think it's that unrealized.
That's an exercise, right, Yeah, No, it's got to be realistic.
Gotta be rooted in reality. And Lamar Jackson getting traded,
as we talked about Tuesday, certainly can have It's the
number eight overall pick yep number eight overall one oh

(24:58):
nine overall. A first round pick one or nine is
a fourth rounder, yes, okay, another because they a first
round pick in twenty twenty four and a conditional first
round pick in twenty twenty five. Sorry four conditional first

(25:18):
rounder in twenty five tied to performance or playing time
or what do we We'll figure out the concussions. It's
just important. It's the first round pick. Yeah. I had
to throw in an extra first because there were the
two first for Russell Wilson. Lamar clearly a younger player.
You can't think it's tough to think of a precedent
for a player at this position, at this age. Lamar

(25:39):
younger than Joe Burrow. It's like, considering the things that
he's done and things that he can do well. Deshaun
Watson got three first a third, and essentially a late
round trade up, and so you would think that's the
starting point. It's kind of like the whole Deshaun Watson
negotiations is getting in the way of of Lamar in general.

(26:00):
I mean, because I know that's like we look back
at what Steve Bashadi said last year and it's like,
oh and everybody's reaction to the Watson contract was well
that this puts Baltimore into tough position. What put them
in a tough position was not paying Lamar Jackson the
moment they had the opportunity, and what that signals to
me and the consecutive moments since then, is they don't

(26:22):
want to have Lamar on their team and pay him
what he's what he deserves. So let's just let's cut
with all this and like, oh, we want Lamar to
be here. If you did, you would have had him.
It's just like after the fact when Davante left Green Bay,
there was oh, well there was this offer and there
was that. No, it's just it's like you're saying in
terms of you're saying, it's not really something to connect

(26:43):
the dots on which I agree if you're if you
mean that they didn't get the deal done before last March,
because once that deal happens, it does connect well, I
think these quarterbacks, right, I agree, But Patrick has a
good point that ultimately I believe there are other teams
that value Lamar Jackson higher than the Baltimore Ravens do,

(27:04):
which is a little disappointing if you're Lamar Jackson that
there are many teams out there, and I think Atlanta
would be a perfect landing spot for him in terms
of what Arthur Smith likes to do, and I think
they would love it that would give him the fully
guaranteed contract, and that I think whether Steve Bashotti cares

(27:25):
about precedent or not, it doesn't. It doesn't matter. If
there's teams out there like the Jets, like the Falcons
that would happily give him a five year guaranteed contract,
then that's his value and that ultimately, like Lamar Jackson
can get that. I know, like the teams have players
over a barrel with these franchise tags, But I really

(27:48):
do think that Watson trade change things and that quarterbacks
are gonna get these types of contracts moving forward. UM.
Good one, Patrick, I like it. You are you are
the media entities number one Lamar Our fan, and you
like the idea of him getting a fresh start in
Atlanta as well. I just like the idea of people
getting paid what they deserve, and like it was less

(28:09):
than a year ago, Derek Carr signs this alleged one
hundred and twenty one million dollar extension and that's all
of the headlines. Oh, one hundred twenty one million. He
got seven percent of one hundred twenty one million fired. Yeah,
And so like the reality of these things are is
we float these contract numbers. And of course Lamar and
his family and a lawyer are negotiating this deal. Where

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is this request of a guaranteed contract even coming from? Right?
We don't know that for sure, and so I don't
I'm just not sure that the Ravens have made an
offer that's aggressive enough for because if they did, I
don't think we'd be having this. There's been different reporting.
There was one report out there that said that guarantee
was around one hundred and thirty million, which would have
been significantly lower than Kyler Murray. I did. I mean

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a Kimes' show this week, she mentioned hearing something that
it was more than Kyler Murray, but not fully guarantee.
And then if it's if it's getting that close, it's like,
just do it right, If you're that clote, if you're
willing to guarantee one hundred and eighty million, just just
go to two thirty Like what what are you holding
out for? Principal wise, I'm with you that how much?

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How much do you think, uh, Lamar missing the end
of the last two seasons consecutively have led Baltimore to
maybe hesitate here, They've been hesitating before that. Yeah, I
don't think it has a huge factor. They were they
were hesitating because it was the same deal last year.

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They weren't coming close to the contract last year, right, right,
but then it happened again. I'm just saying, if if
iriability issue questions about a mobile quarterback that you know,
if he's Taylor Lawana and he's not good when he's
on the field, then I think that's worthwhile discussion. But
whoever plays quarterback for the Baltimore Ravens is going to
be a human being who was capable of being injured.
And essentially most of these things did the luck. Did

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you hear my pitch about a sports agency? Um? Last
day show? Um, not athletes first? People first? I like it.
Let's get people all right. Let me go next because
mine connects to yours because I have a quarterback in
Atlanta as well. Oh wow, Um, but it's not Lamar.

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This team would love Lamar the Falcons. But let's say
that is not an option. Um, you know, we gotta
get number three out of Denver. We gotta get him
out of there. We got an airlift number three. Did
you see by the way, that Tarique Woolen was just
doing a podcast and he said when he met Russell Wilson,

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he was surprised by first out kind of how he
was short and stature in trigue will in six three.
But but he also said his body was like a
sack of potatoes. That was interesting to this dude just
got to the league. Everybody's taking and I was like,
Russ will I know Russell Wilson could take. You know,
has been taking a lot of fire, really his whole rear.

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But now people are coming for him. His fitness. I
feel like that's the one thing you would never have
to worry about with Wilson, but he was described by
a rookie cornerback is a sack of potatoes. Anyway, I
feel for Russell Wilson. He does not seem like a
bad guy, and he's in a bad situation in Denver,
you know, And now you have Sean Payton there, who
is as we talked about when the hire happened, he's

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the boss there. Now he's in control of the situation.
This is no longer Russell Land. Remember Nathaniel Hackett's famous
line at the press conference, come on, y'all, Russell Wilson.
Holy very exciting. It's crazy how how recently that was
and things are so different now the Falcons, and this
connects with Patrick as well because one element of this.

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Atlanta has the second highest amount of cap space in
the league right now fifty six million. Chicago, by the way,
is first with almost one hundred million in cap space.
Keep an eye on them anyway. So we know, here's
the quick background that connects to Lamar as well as Russ.
That the Falcons, as we know, under Arthur Smith, it's
a run first offense. They play in a dome, they're

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in a week division. It's an offensive minded head coach
who has a history of salvaging veteran quarterbacks. Ryan Tannehill
comes to mind. The Falcons are in QB purgatory with
no obvious in house option. You got Desmond Ritter, who
Mariota was a total mess and now is on Netflix.
Last offseason, they traded Matt Ryan to the Colts for

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a third round pick. So let's try something similar here
with the Broncos. Russell Wilson to the Falcons for a
third round pick seventy fifth overall Escalators based on Wilson's play,
becomes a second round pick if Wilson plays seventy five
percent of snaps, first rounder if Wilson plays seventy five percent,
and the Falcons appear in the NFC title game, Fresh

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start for all involved, and the Falcons maybe maybe have
a quarterback. M This is a shocker. It's a gamblebviously
would be gamb especially at the gamble for Atlanta too
much is probably in the he's year three of a regime. Yeah,
got him, probably make the playoffs, and you're hitching your
wagon to Russ. But I think it's better than what

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they have currently. It's it's a short side to me,
it's a short term solution. It's Denver just deciding we
kind of are punting on twenty twenty three, not punting
in the sense of like we're not going to try
to win we could. We think we can find a
very low cost quarterback that can play as well or
better than Russell Wilson, and we're gonna swallow, you know,

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the biggest salary cap pain we've ever had, like any
team's ever had. I think it would be sixty million
dollars that Russell Wilson would be on their books, but
he'd be they'd be done with it. It'd be clean,
it would wash over the organization. If if internally they're like,
it's very similar to the Matt Ryan trade, because that
was sort of under the radar. The Falcons decided to
take incredible dead money pain just to kind of be

(33:59):
done with it, get of Matt Ryan and move forward.
And then the pick that they have to send to
me is almost incidental. I think they could probably like
if someone was willing to take Russell Wilson, they would
take whatever. If it's a third, if it's a fifth,
sure is for the Falcons. And that much of a
need to be to be out of this. I mean,

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we saw the head coach go, Um, he's right back
doing doing what he does. Um, he's going to be
involved in calling plays and managing an offense and all
of those things. And so it's it's all Russ. It
just it took a collective effort for the offense to
be that bad. Right, you're saying they don't hate the

(34:41):
idea though, of like, we don't really see him as
the long term solution and that if anyone's willing to
give up anything, they would take him. It's interest like,
it's weird because any team that takes him on, people think,
oh wow, why would you even take on that contract. Actually,
Russell Wilson will be one of the cheapest starting quarterbacks
in the league. He has base no base salary, and

(35:02):
he would be a one year kicking the tires commitment
where you're paying him, you know, less than what like
Jamis Winston types are making. He makes eight million dollars
this year base salary, and you just see it's just
sort of a kicking the cans. It's it's free money,
free money for the Falcons. Let's do it, Broncos country.
Let's right. I like the Lamar move much better. I

(35:23):
want to see better. I mean, I just I don't
see any purpose in taking on Russell Wilson at the
at this point. But I get it from Denver's perspective.
I just want to see what new slogan he'll say
at the end of press conferences if he goes to
another team. I think he I think what we'll see
just the prediction. Sometimes self awareness is not a trait

(35:44):
that Russell Wilson tends to possess, but some of that
stuff is going to melt away. Now. I feel like
there was a very humbling twenty twenty two. I think
what changes is the people he's selling himself to, uh
and the people he's selling himself to and Denver are
fundamentally different than the ones that are in Atlanta and
um so I think it would it would change because
Russ Russ manages a brand and like all of these

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guys do. Like Matt Ryan, like the discussion about like
how good he was and how happy he was with
being benched and how he was gonna help. It was like, no,
Matt Ryan was pissed off, but guaranteed seventeen million dollars
next year, by the way, so it's a little bit
of a it's a two year, twenty five million dollar commitment,
so kind of a similar contract to one you would

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give like a I don't even know who is Amid,
No one gets does It's not even Jameis Wins. Then
I guess would get like a two for twenty five
that he got from the Saints something like that. All right,
Greggy hit us, Greg all right, mine simple. DeAndre Hopkins
to Buffalo for the Bills's uh first round pick this year,
which I believe it's twenty nine. Okay, okay, interesting DeAndre

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Hopkins Okay, he's thirty coming off the PD but did
perform when he came back last season. Bills, we all
talked about it. Have a need to add some more playmakers.
I like it. You say first round pick, Yeah, it's
a late pick that seems maybe a little rich. Do
you want to give up a first round pick? I

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would say second, and maybe give back a fifth or something.
It's it's all about managing the window, though, and we
see how small that that window could be. And you
go from you know, asking the corpse of Cole Beasley
to come run some routes in the playoffs to putting
new Hopkins in the slot. Definitely to change, huge upgrade.
I love the fit because he doesn't have to be

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the number one there. I don't think he's necessarily that
guy where the whole offense needs to revolve around him.
You have Stefan Diggs, Gabe Davis is a useful player,
but putting him one depth, you know, one spot down helps.
I don't think the twenty seventh overall pick and that
that's what it would be would be too much for him,
like this is not it's not just win now. But

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I think that's totally appropriate value. You look at the
players they've drafted in general in the first round, and
I know, you get these rookie contracts and that's nice.
You have to play DeAndre Hopkins a lot more. But
it's it's been Tremaine Edmonds, it's been Greg Rousseau, which
worked out Ed Oliver like Kyrie Elam last year. This
is either at the end of the first round, these

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aren't as great a premium pick, and I'm taking bird
in the hand, DeAndre Hopkins with that big arm at
Josh Allen throwing at seventy yards on the field. It's fun.
I would I would do it. I would do it
for the twenty seventh overall pick, but I would try
very hard to hold on to the pick and see
if I can get Yeah, I think the trade market
and I have another receiver trade coming. I think it'll

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be aggressive because I think it'll cost that much, because
I think they'll be competition because there's so little available
in free agency at wide receiver. Mister Patrick laybal and
back to you, buddy, all right. I think I could
satisfy a couple of different with the alarm. Run for cover.
There's nowhere to run, there's nowhere. The sea is retreating.
What does that mean. It means there's a swell of

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water on the way, and that water includes the Houston
Texans sending pick number four, pick number thirty five. Here
we go, pick number one hundred and five. There we go,
and Brandon cooks the Chicago Bears in exchange for the
number one overall pick. Thank you Patrick for doing that.
We could not do this exercise without addressing the Bears
number one overall pick. And you've done it. Can we

(39:30):
want to do it one more time? So I can
should have been four five or four thirty five and
one oh five and Brandon cooks. I needed to throw
in a player because I use the Rich Hill shout
out to Rich Hill trade value chart, which has been
almost identical to the trades that we've seen in the
past few years. And uh, those numbers get close to

(39:51):
working out for me in the Bear mean two overall.
Two overall Bears are the first overall pick right, oh whoops,
my bad? Yeah, and the since number two. So just
to move up one spot, you got to give up
all that. You got to be absolutely in love with
a quarterback that you can't risk not getting. Do we
have any insight that they are in love with somebody.

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I just wanted Justin Fields to have a good receiver. Yeah,
I think Brandon Cooks Fields trade on this conversation now,
I think this is and I don't think a Justin
Fields trade is crazy for the Bearers to consider they
didn't draft him depending on what they can get. I
just don't think that's a crazy thing to like go
through the exercise he was on with Rich Eisen said

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the only thing he would love in this scenario is transparency,
like toe from the team. Yeah, to hear from the
team like what they're thinking. He hasn't yet and I
don't I unfortunately don't think he will. It's an uncomfortable
thing that if they get a godfather offer they have
to think about everything. But to me, this is perfect
for them. You move only one spot down, you actually

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still have the option of drafting quarterback there or entertaining
more likely trades for another quarterback moving up there. And
I don't think it's that crazy for Houston to give
up all that because some other team will if they
don't Indianapolis will, or the Raiders will or the Panthers
will like it could happen. And what it does is

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it exercises the Trubisky trade demons, and all of that
finally goes away and the Bears can be happy. I
mean that goes away until Patrick Mahomes retires. But I mean, imagine,
if you're the Bears, you get the number two overall pick,
and you get that second round back that you gave
up for Claypool, which maybe a mistake, you get Cooks.
It's it's amazing there. You could trade the Bears in,

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you could keep accruing picks. It is really an amazing situation.
They found themselves in not being able to win games
last year. Remember Bears fans last offseason very upset about,
like I remember, they were my number one overall pick
when we did over unders taking the under for Bears,
very upset about that. They're upset with your power rankings
in this season, and yet UH, now they're in this

(42:02):
beautiful spot because they lived up. Um. I feel bad
for the UH and this is gonna be surprising to
some listeners, but I feel bad for the Jeremiah's of
the world. DJ you know, he's put out mock Draft
two point zero, and it's just you're in a tough
spot because the Bears are almost certainly going to trade
that pick, or it's very likely it happens, but they can't.

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They don't want to a lot of these mock guys
don't want to mock trades this early. So you're stuck
giving giving the Bears Jalen Carter, the Georgia defensive tackle
um and then you have Bryce Young, according to DJ,
going to Houston with the number two pick. He calls
him the best quarterback in the class. Here's the here's
the dream scenario for the Bears. Let's say they do

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trade out of one and it is to the Houston Texans.
And then let's say the Texans take the quarterback that
the Colts don't want, and then the Cults are gonna
have to come up to two at that point, and
they're gonna have to entertain those discussions that they were
just having that weren't good enough, like what's the price
then to get to two. It could be it could
be all Bears. They could get three first round pick
value out of There is absolutely a scenario here, assuming

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they want to keep justin fields. But even if they
would entertain the idea of trading him, the fact that
they're there and this is such a quarterback I wouldn't
say quarterback rich, but there's four guys that are probably
going to go in the top fifteen. The question of
if you go up to one, though, is does Young
Is he that much higher on everyone's list, or on
at least the Texans list than whoever's next, whether it's c. J.

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Stroud or Levis. There is conversation around this quarterback class
that is better than last year, but certainly not a
quote slam dunk guy that you know will be a
big time NFL qb Ain't that the way, although it
you know, cults Jim Mersey already sort of throwing it
out there that this Bryce Young looks pretty good the one.

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You know, he threw that out there in the introductory
press conference for their head coach and basically said, like,
we brought him in to develop. We brought Shane Stikeen
in to develop a young quarterback. So they're taking a quarterback.
It's just whether they get their first choice or second choice.
Maybe they're a third. All right, you said, Greg, you
had you had a wide receiver. I do have another wide.

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I have a wide receiver and another one, But why
don't you throw out your wide receiver? Cults related This
one's pretty simple. The Tsunami's coming to Indianapolis. Keenan Allen
to the Colts for a two and twenty four third
round pick. The Cults have already traded away their their

(44:36):
third round pick this year. Uh in the what was
it the Matt Ryan trade and what was it? Um
Keim Allen. I don't think it's gonna have like a
super aggressive market as a trade option because of his
big salary, But I think if you look at it,
he's due to make fifteen million base salary this year.
I actually think he could get that or maybe a

(44:57):
little more in free agency. So I actually don't think
that Chargers will have to cut him if that's what
they're leaning towards doing, which it sounds very possible. With
their cap situation, the Colts can fit Allen in under
the cap stike and worked with Keenan Allen before when
he was back in San Diego and feel like he
is like the capable, relatively low cost pair of hands

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they could use to pair there with Michael Pittman, I like,
it makes sense, highly sensible. Yeah, not like a huge
fireworks trade. But I was kind of trying to look
to see like who is legitimately realistically gonna get traded.
And I've been seeing all this Keenan Allen might get
cut noise, and I'm like, no, I think team would

(45:39):
give something up even even that contract is not that
crazy to me. Can't stay healthy, but he's still when
he's on the field, he's still Keenan Allen. Okay, I'll
do a wide receiver too, m c D who is
not going anywhere. But you heard earlier he was on

(46:03):
around the NFL a couple of weeks back in Phoenix. Uh.
He disagreed or was a little confused on the Zaddi
line up questioning, but he also was frank with us
and frankly others on the Cowboys needed to clean things
up a little bit in terms of their playmaking roster.
They I want more players around me. Let's let's listen

(46:25):
to a little bit of what CD had to say
on our show. You got as around stare like that
um on Dak Yes, go look at the Eagles and
they got three receivers. Um great tight end group. Uh
they run the ball well, a line is very phenomenal.
He get San France, they got they surrounded their quarterback

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and uh, you get you get success ultimately. I mean
granted we got we got just you know, as many weapons,
but that extra player or that that that one, all
all it takes is one. You know, you could be
so close in that to the to the super Bowl
and they could be a deciding factors of feel like
just keeping him, just keeping him comfortable in the pocket,
just keeping just keeping him surrounded with you know whatever.

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Its spart production should I say? And uh, you gotta
stay healthy. Look at us making news. We're from newsmakers.
Look at us facts like that Ceedee Lamb. So he's
he's putting it out there in the media that the
Cowboys don't have enough guys to make Dak the quarterback
he can be. So you know, jar Jara likes making splashes.

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The Cowboys have some issues. They're not in cap hell,
but they have work to do to get underneath the cap.
But it is possible. For instance, there is a path
to cutting Dak Prescott's current cap hit in half, and
you know, moving the pain down the line, they can
clear money, and they should clear money because they also
have to bring back Tony Pollard. By the way, Dalton

(47:52):
Schultz um, but they need that number two wide receiver
just like the Bills. And I do like uh, I
do like allup. But also we just don't know if
he's ever gonna be the same guy again after that
knee injury, So let's go get him a true number
two alongside CD Mike Evans. WHOA, he's twenty nine years old,
he's in the last year of his contract. The Bucks

(48:15):
are steaming toward a rebuild, so it makes sense Evans
went to Texas A and M you're a home state,
justin for better or worse, and he uh scheduled to
make twenty four million, that's the eighth highest paid wide
receiver in the league. But you can make it work.
You can find a way, and then you have, hopefully

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with Tony Pollard healthy and back on the roster, CD,
Mike Evans and his nine straight one thousand yard seasons,
Dalton Schultz and Dak Prescott going for it this year
and seeing if they could get over the hump out
of the divisional playoffs. That's that's the favorite trade that
I've we've suggested to me. Can I oh, I didn't
do the terms. Second round pick fifty eighth overall, and

(48:59):
the ice is great, and you can sometimes I could
be wrong. Maybe it would take a first round pick.
I think, like what you're saying, the Bills would have
to give up. But sometimes these guys that are on
the wrong side of thirty veterans that are expensive, I
think sometimes it takes down the price a little more,
and everybody's a little surprised sometimes by the terms when
they come out. But I would do it for a
first time. Certainly that happened with a Marii Cooper last season.

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He's only thirty though, and he still moves well. I
know he didn't have a great season. The only trick,
and I've seen this Evans thing out here, is just
they don't really save much money by tradeium. Like there's
this idea that, like, he makes a lot of money,
so you save a lot by tradeium. But it's just
not the case because of the way his contracts directors.

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So I don't see their motivation unless they got a
premium pick. I think they are at a point where
it could make sense to trade Mike Evans because his
value is at a high relatively, But that's why I
just would say they would need more. You gotta get
that first round, and I think they could get it.
I don't see why not. All right, twist on my
arm a second and a fourth with a six going

(50:08):
back the other way. Right, This isn't exactly like you're
the GM, But I'm not doing this trade if I'm
Jason Light without a first plus and I don't think that.
Do you think there's a team out there that would
give up a first round pick for Mike Evans? Yeah?
I do. I think you just named that team. I
think I think so because it is partly because of
the money situation. After June first, it would be a

(50:31):
bigger trade, but that's like not when things happen, but
right now it wouldn't really. They wouldn't really save anything
from it. So it's like, you gotta make it worth it.
You gotta make it worth it. And once you make
the trade right, you can make some sort of commitment
to both Mink Evans and Deck as you mentioned, and
kind of alter the cap situation that number twenty six pick.
Where are we getting at twenty six? Mike Evans? Isn't

(50:52):
there at twenty six. Mike Evans might not I would
do it. I would do it, but as this is
not you're the GM, but I would try very hard
to hold onto that pick if I can and see
see if we can make the move and and the
and the Bucks. Maybe either're like Jason Light's like man,
I love Secon round picks, so I love them. They're cheaper,

(51:13):
team control. I like good players. And this is a
fallout from what they did in the Tom Brady era.
Is they did things to create space, like adding three
fake years onto Mike Evans's deal that don't really exist.
They're void years, but push this pain so that if

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they wanted to make this trade, they're not really saving
anything because of everything they did a year. It was
a party. That was the whole goal of the Brady
trade and eat the pain. This last year wasn't worth it.
But they you know, I don't blame them for doing it.
Sure we have, anybody else? Have another one? Oh? I
gotta because I do. All right, let's do one words,
take a break, and we'll do one more each. We

(51:54):
love Akholder back, all right, one more time around the horn, Claybonne,
Let's get it the Seattle Seahawks and the fifty first
overall and the eighty third overall pick in the twenty
twenty three draft to the New Orleans Saints in exchange
for Cam Jordan. Oh okay, like that, who's got one

(52:17):
more year on his deal? Ye. The Saints, as Greg
pointed out earlier this week, wanted to try to save
money on Derek Carr, like during their their interview before
he was going to be a free agent. And it
signals to me that they're they're finally starting to worry
about these things, and we're going to see some longtime
New Orleans favorites and other places. All time sack leader

(52:38):
of New Orleans Saints. I believe maybe he started to
show some of his age last year. Maybe he's not
the same dude, but he's also a guy that would
it surprise you if he went to Seattle and had
eleven sacks next year. Seattle is the type of team too,
that would give up good value for a player like
Cam Jordan. I think if the Saints could get that,
they would do it. I like that one. I'm gonna

(53:00):
set a second round pick too, how about that? Okay,
what we got, We're going to Green Bay Darren Waller
to Green Bay for a twenty twenty four second round pick.
I don't know why it has to be twenty twenty four.
I don't think they have it in a twenty twenty
twenty three second round pick. In a twenty twenty three
fourth round pick. They were reportedly offering a premium pick,

(53:22):
according to Ian Rapport at the trade deadline for Waller,
considering there were reports that they offered their second for
chess Chase Claypool. But we're topped by Chicago. I'm just
gonna guess it was this second round pick. Now you
can get it for Waller. I think the Raiders are
motivated to trade Waller, and I think he will be
traded this off season. There's already been little little bird droppings.

(53:43):
I've heard that that he's kind of outop like bird dropping.
I don't know, or are they birds dropping information or
are they defecated a little bit of both. Darren Waller
he recently signed a contract that made him one of
the most or if not the most, highest highest paid
tight end in the league. I don't know. Uh, I
know he's hurt a lot. I don't know. Sometimes it

(54:04):
feels like I don't know if he's a little disinterested
and you have Josh McDaniels there, It doesn't seem like
that staff. And it's interesting that he got that contract,
but there might be a disagreement here and value between
ownership and the coaching staff. It's a good it's a
tradable contract. I think, where's he going? I'm sorry, Green Bay,
and you do that move regardless of if it's Rogers

(54:27):
or Love because you gotta give the whoever it is.
They need another weapon. They need they need pass catchers
no matter what they're doing. Uh you, I like to
how about another trade involving a second round pick? Derrick
Henry I checked with my official Titans insider, only one

(54:49):
year remaining on his contract. That is a very tradeable contract,
even if he is a highly paid running back who
perhaps isn't the same guy he was two years ago,
but still Derek Henry I think has a year or
two in the tank where he could be a big
time contributor, especially if he's in the right offense. How
about this, Derek Henry to the New York Giants who

(55:16):
boxed in a little bit here with say Quon or
perhaps don't want to give him a top of the
market running back contract and have the Daniel Jones deal
to take care of you tag Daniel Jones, you let
Barkley go to free agency, and another team in your
mind overpays, and then you trade the fifty seventh overall pick.
Maybe you can make it a third round pick. Let's

(55:37):
see what's going on, and you get Derrick Henry the
final year of his deal in I believe is his
age twenty nine season, and you can then figure out
if you want to keep him around beyond this upcoming season.
So you keep Daniel Jones. You can decide whether sa
Quon Henry is at a wash is it one way
or the other? But you still have a big time
running back for a team that loves to run the ball,

(55:59):
and you don't have to give sa Quon a deal
that you don't feel comfortable with. It's essentially like giving
Derrick Henry the franchise tag. Instead of give up a
third round pick. You franchise one year, ten million dollars,
which is a fine rate for Derrick Henry. Yeah, no,
it's it's definitely you get a good player for for
a great value. My question would be, if you need

(56:21):
Derrick Henry as you needed Saquon Barkley, but why not
just tag sa Quan if you have to have a
generational running back because you don't want you. You don't
want to give a one hundred and some odd million
dollars to Daniel because you're not quite sure in that either.
So it's going to be another Lamars if you don't
want the quarterback, just let him go, right I do.

(56:44):
Lamar and Daniel Jones are very different cases, though, well
they could be making me exactly they might actually pay
Daniel Jones. I was thinking about that that Daniel, there's
at least a chance Daniel Jones, Gino Smith, and Lamar
are all making the same amount of money next year.
If you had told me like a year ago, would
have blown my mind that that would be a wild move.

(57:04):
I think about timelines with them. Are they thinking they
are trying to win right now because that that is
sort of just played in the divisional playoffs, and whether
or not we take them seriously. I'm sure they feel
they're gonna be ready to contend in the NFC next year,
and it's a It's an aggressive move, but one that
I think doesn't set them back it's not a huge

(57:24):
gambit in terms of giving up the future to get
better in the present. Um, I think they're gonna have
who's who's on that roster running back behind right now?
Very right well, he was there, They're gonna have to
put it this way. If sa Quan's not there, they're
either gonna have to go get somebody or draft a
guy uh in the first couple of rounds. I would

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think that they could feel good about running the football,
but they have to address running back. And maybe this
is the Maybe this is all a bunch of bunk
by me because they're just gonna bring back because they
have the guy already, But maybe it's not. I think
he's gonna get paid a lot of money, say gun Barkley,
and I do think they'd be looking maybe to go cheaper,
but that might be using a second or a third
round pick at running back. Interesting. I think Henry would

(58:09):
be a fun uh in a very realistic can't see
him that, can't quite see him with the Giants this year,
but I could see him getting traded. Is it Grave Digger?
Are you given what we what just happened with the
Titans and where they are organizationally, like, this isn't this?
This is the time to move a twenty nine year
old running back with ninety seven thousand miles on the odometer.

(58:31):
It's time, right, It's It's not like his value is
going to get higher from here. He has a sixteen
million dollar cap hit win the super Bowl next year,
justin I don't think the Titans are winning the super
Bowl this So why would you have a nearly thirty
year old running back with trade value? Because he could
eventually be the franchises all time leading rusher and it's
kind of cool to have him playing with one team
and maybe people in Tennessee like to watch Derek is true,

(58:53):
But that's all very nice, I agree, but it's not.
But it's a business. Business, Yeah, yeah, I would love
that they would save seven million against the cap if
they move. It's our money, right, well, and there is
a point where it's good business to have a team
that doesn't alienate your fan base. And they could blow

(59:15):
it all up, get rid of Tannehill and Henry and
they might, but that that has its own risk to it,
as they alienated the fan base and they traded a J. Brown. Yeah,
your fans like well, lose interest in you for two
or three. I wouldn't be upset if the Titans had
to go through a miserable two and fifteen season to
get the number one overall pick next year when Caleb

(59:36):
Williams is coming out. Just throwing that out there, But
I don't know if the Titans, like Mike rabel is
not a coach who's like, yeah, let's just do a
year of losing. That sounds fun, Like that's not how
it doesn't seem. So can I throw out one more?
I know we're it's spicy, wait, but can I just
just put a bow on that? So? Do you? And

(59:56):
what Patrick's saying is, certainly there's merit to it, like
the idea that he's one of the greatest Titans ever
set every record, give him the statue, retires a Titan.
But in terms of the short and long term interests
of the team, do you want him on the team
week one? I think the Titans, if they can trade
Henry for a second round pick, they should do that.

(01:00:16):
But it's also the same team that like locked Steve
McNair out of the building in what like two thousand
and three or whatever, and then he went and signed
for with the Ravens, who was in a huge rival
at the time, totally different ownership management and everything. I'm
trying to think home for the Cowboys. Cut Zeke, don't
resign Pollard Henry to the Cowboys. I see him going

(01:00:40):
to Yeah, an interesting if they Cincinnati cut Joe Mixon,
get Derrick Henry weird, All right, go ahead, Okay, sorry.
Jalen Ramsey, who I really do think is gonna get traded.
So does he to the Patriots for the number fourteen

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overall pick and Kendrick Bourne. I mean he's under contract.
I think he's a useful player. I think he's better
than what the Patriots have shown him to be, so
you might as well throw him. And Ramsey's not gonna
cost as much as he was to get in Los Angeles.
But man, doesn't he feel that that Stefan Gilmore, big,

(01:01:23):
physical Taiwah type of cornerback sort of at a discount.
This is when Bill likes to swoop in. It does.
It does make a whole lot of sense, and it
feels like it's gonna happen. Now. Yes, it's gonna be
Jalen Ramsey in the Patriots uniform. Everybody's gonna it's like,
oh wow, we we slept on him because he got
beat those five or six times. But this guy's actually

(01:01:44):
had a pretty good season fourteen overall. I think actually
could get it done potentially. Who pooped on Detroit and
said why would you go from LA to Detroit? Who
said that? Uh? When the Jalen Ramsey, Michael Parsons, Micah
Parsons like, why would you go for La to Foxborough
in a non Tom Brady era? Well, in this case,

(01:02:05):
he doesn't on some level doesn't have a choice. Yeah,
you know, he signed a nice sexist franchise in modern times. No,
but uh, he signed a big, big contract. Maybe you
have to give him a little extra. But he's doe
seventeen million dollars this year. That's the thing with these
long contracts is they become very tradeable and you might

(01:02:26):
be incentivized to give him a little short term bump
to make him happy. But his next three years he
is only due forty six million dollars, which is, you know,
a great contract. That's that's uh, the contract that Carlton
Davis got essentially last year. They're probably gonna do it.
I can be good. I kind of don't get why

(01:02:46):
the Rams feel like they have to. But I get
that they don't really have another avenue to get picks
and they feel like they maybe need that. Now. I
know you said Patrick that you know he got beat
seven times, but he's actually still great. The Rams are
interest did in trading him. Maybe they some of their
self scouting is like, maybe it's time to get out
before we can't get out on this one. Well, the

(01:03:08):
thing is, I think Jalen Ramsey has extra years that
we may not con because he may not be playing
corner for the rest of his career, Like he's gonna
make that transition at some point, and I think that's yeah.
I could picture Jalen Ramsey orchestrating a trade and being
on the Dolphins or something. I feel like he would
seems like a guy would like Miami. I don't know,

(01:03:31):
the cold weather. Jalen's kind of a Hollywood dude to me.
I think I just see him in that Darrell Reeves
one year in New England, Stefan Gilmour. It's just like that,
that's what Bill likes. I'm just thinking Bill's type likes
the big physical as veteran guys. Yeah, to get rings,
that's not who the Patriots are anywhere. They don't have

(01:03:52):
that s more in terms of free agency and in
the trade market. If these guys control where they go,
a little bit fair. But the Gregg's point, Jalen doesn't
really have a choice in this. In this aspect, he's
he can control. He's got ways of doing things. Remember
how he got from the Jacksonville, LA. That's fair because

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he pulled up in the Brinks truck at training camp.
He said, I would like to be compensated, and Tom
Coffin was like no, and he got He got everything
he wanted. I think Jayalen will get what he wants.
Sneaky twenty nine. I don't know why. I'm surprised that
he's been around a while though, old Tom Hall of Famer. Yeah, now,
neither couple. I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't know about

(01:04:36):
the now thing. But let's say he doesn't make any
more All pros in his career. He already has more
All pros than some cornerbacks in the do you he's
so you're saying he's his salaries manageable? Is that where
you think New England should be spending the bulk of
their offseason money Their piggyback or should it be ho.
He'd be a great pickup for most any team. There

(01:04:57):
might be something and I don't know if it's for
soonality or what it is that I just get the
feeling that Jalen Ramsey helped the Rams get a championship,
become a great defense and they feel like that relationship
was great and that like that maybe it ran its
course for whatever reason, because otherwise I don't understand why
they would trade him. He still seems like he's playing
at a high level. Three team, first time, first team

(01:05:22):
All Pro. That's that's a good start. The top headline
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free agency presented by Toyota. Those are good ones. I think.

(01:05:45):
I thought we did an excellent work today, and I
don't I don't want to, you know, naval gays on
that level and pat ourselves on the back Barry Harrowood style.
But I really do think all of those trades make
sense and I would be surprised if not one of them.
If we we go over whatever. I think one of
those trades will happen in some capacity. That's why not

(01:06:06):
just makes sense. They're also fun fun, They were fun,
and that ray one because I don't like the picture.
I think there's an irony also greggy to the tsunami,
which is a horrific act of it. It's a little
tricky for the brand Mother Nature, and yet it's so
fun for us. The tsunami in the in the context

(01:06:27):
of professional football transactions, is that interesting. It's crossed my
mind when I send send out like a celebratory gift
of an actual tsunami and then think this is there's
something wrong here and it's a problem, but you don't
stop because it's good for the brand. I might stop
now now that I've put this out there. I had

(01:06:49):
to google Barry Horror. But a wave is a fundamental partial.
It's one of the great Jewish wrestlers of all times.
Had never heard of him, but uh, I think he
actually had to start off dad on his shorts like
he was or a necklace. He was like one of
the great Um Hammond Eggers of the eighties and early nineties.
He was he was always defeated, but he kind of
had a little swag to him. Um and the real

(01:07:12):
ones know what I'm talking about. Harrowitz, All right, that's it, Patrick,
You've done beautiful work with us. Thank you, Thank you. Guys.
Are you going to sleep now? How does it work?
Absolutely in moments. We'll be back next week, combine week
with Mark Sessler joining us again. Until then, he lookal