2023 Week 4 Recap: Boat Race Regatta!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Around the NFL podcast is fresh out of sunny drops.
Well repopulate people, we need you.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
I am Dan Hansis. I have heroes here, Greg Rosenthal,
Mark Sessler. It is the flagship show, Sunday Night Edition.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Week four and an interesting week.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
It was, gentlemen, it's Woodshed Week in the NFL. I remember,
like we used to try to come up with themes
or NFL Primetime would do that. It's like it's comeback week.
It's crazy, this got jacked up. And I'm just looking
at the scores here and it was a lot of
teams taken to the woodshed.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh wood shot of I like that wood shed.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
I've been scanning like the like the last couple of minutes,
like the last three weeks prior, and there have been
a surplus of blowouts.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
What about the boat race regalia?

Speaker 5 (00:56):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, maybe we were due for a correction because all
last season, all we have heard how it was the
closest margin of error in NFL history, the most close
games in NFL history, and the NFL is really pumping
that up. I was thinking, like, isn't that just kind
of a little random.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:11):
It seemed it seemed like every just saying.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
But even this week, you games that like end up
like you think they're over and it's like, no, they're not.
But they you know, we're destined to go a fifth
quarter on two or three of these every week.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
This guy gets it.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I would Mark, I would like to get going with
the show because we've got a bunch of games to
get to. But Mark, but Greg had woodshed week, I
had the boat race for Galia.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
H.

Speaker 7 (01:33):
Bomb drops Sunday Part four?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Okay, very Mark answer, Bomb Drop Sunday Part four. By
the way, we might have to drop a bomb behind
the glass? Can we bring in Eric real quick? You
know we love Roberts's Robert. He does unbelievable work behind
the glass. I try, but I did it. There were
some snitches out there on Twitter that over the past

(01:57):
week that let me know that there were no bongos
in week three.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Ooh, no bongos.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
You said you want to get to the show, and
you dropped this bomb right away.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well this is important.

Speaker 8 (02:07):
I don't know how much of a curtain we want
to pull back, but we had to do a little
reset last week and it was intended for the Dolphins
the game. It was the first highlight of the show.
I was thrown off. I will take the al on
that one. You know what, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Not necessary, it's just important. If this show doesn't have bongos,
it has no need to exist.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
So this makes this is one of the most important
bongo shows in the history of the Sunday flagship show.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Who gets double bongos? Essential? You get credited for two bongos?

Speaker 7 (02:31):
You gotta get it right.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's like skins competition and golf. All right, Let's get
to the action. Let's start with the game that everyone
had circled. The game with the supposedly unstoppable Dolphins offense
heading to Orchard Park to take on Oh.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
Eric Roberts's Buffalo Bills. Would the Bills be ready to play? Oh? Yes,
they were. First player to fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Three receivers left Cook in the backfield to the right
of Allen.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
The shotgun handoff fakes to Cook keeper by Allen, and.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
He's gonna sail into the end.

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Zone an eleven.

Speaker 9 (03:04):
Yard touchdown run on the quarterback keeper.

Speaker 7 (03:09):
Oh the Bill's running away. Now up twenty seven with
an extra point pending.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
My own you know that was with fourteen minutes to
play in the fourth quarter. Humble pie for the Dolphins,
served up by Josh Allen, who threw four touchdown passes
and ran for a score, and the Bills handed Miami
it's first lost, a forty eight to twenty win in

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front of a delirious sold out crowd there in Western
New York.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Gregy.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
This was the first overall pick in our draft on
Thursday for a reason. It's the game everybody wanted to see.
How come it turned into one sided blowout.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Sometimes blowouts are entertaining, and a team like the Bills
put on a show and you can have your seventy
point offense and you can have all the fastest players
in the league according to net extend stats, but there's
only one Josh Allen.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
It's one of the all time Josh Allen games. M
I just thought the way he started this game. On
the very first drive, there was a play where Vic
Fangio calls a blitz and it was a perfectly time
blitz free rusher off the edge, and Alan just backpedals,
back pedals, back pedals, as if it's not even there

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and he hits an opposite hash throw to Stefan Diggs
for the first down seventeen yards Like it was nothing.
I was like, Wow, that's an amazing play. Has a
dart for a touchdown. Later, fast forward a couple drives,
They've already scored two touchdowns their first two drives.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
His ability to scramble and.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Just continue to buy time by time by time in
the pocket before finding Digs for Diggs's first touchdown. Diggs
ends up going six for one twenty and three.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
To me, was just like money performance.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
It was just like Josh Allen in a nutshell. He
can beat you in structure, he can beat you out
of structure. He had four passing touchdowns, only four incompletions.
Everything it was great about Josh Allen's performance, even that
rushing touchdown, just like the decision making and the way
that he made this Dolphins defense, which has been disappointing
in general. I would say through three weeks, almost embarrassed

(05:13):
forty eight points. As you heard through about three quarters
in a minute.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's kind of crazy where we were like a fortnight
ago or you know, two weeks ago with Josh Allen.
A lot of the talk was where is Josh Allen
that we knew, Like he's up and down. You're gonna
get the good version, the bad version. That Jets game
soiled everyone's impression of him. He has been absolutely pristine
for three weeks in a row. But I am justice
impressed with their defense because you know, I also feel

(05:39):
this brushback against the Dolphins now, where like last week
is like this aberration, like they're still there's still like
a centerpiece in the AFC. To me, they've had they've
lost three straight to the Bills. They've had their problems,
but you take away a chance fifty five yard run.
They were completely bottled up on the ground for the
most part. And I'm really concerned at times about the
back end of their defense and what to them today.

(06:01):
And I think there's this thing with two where it's
like I don't always want to question too it because
he's been awesome, but it's kind of like this was
a game where he seemed a little less comfortable about
like getting the ball out immediately to his first read,
and like if you cause some problems there, like I
don't know this thing. This operation did not work. As
if someone told me the score might be reversed Like

(06:21):
a couple of days ago, I'd been like, the Dolphins
will be the absolute talk of Pro football, and instead
it's a massive comeback down to earth game.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
And I think that's why it's okay to take some
air out of the balloon here, because as impressive as
destroying a bad Denver team is and a middling Patriots
team and they nice win against the Chargers in Week
one on.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
The road, here's like a real test.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
This is the one where it's like, okay, and it
doesn't mean they can't get off the mat, but you
want to see the Dolphins go up to Buffalo and really,
if not win, I put up a fight, and Greg,
I you know, this is a game I'm looking forward
to watching in full. But the defense, it has been
covered over obviously because the offense has been so great.
Big Fangio defenses are known to take time to come together.

(07:04):
So just a reminder, like when the offense isn't clicking
and it hasn't been full clicking for two games here
at A four and the other two have been out
of this world, that the defense is gonna have to
make strides or they're gonna have these bumps in the
road along the way right.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I mean, the Bills scored a touchdown on virtually every
possession until until the start until like their their eighth
drive or ninth drive in the middle of the fourth quarter.
But the Bills defense made more plays. I thought Two
have played a strong game overall. But they did some
things to disrupt the timing, as you mentioned, to send

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aggressively rushers after to A and sort of not worry
so much. Very different than the Patriots, who I think
the Patriots were in total prevent mode. Let's just not
let them score seventy on us. The Bills came after them,
and it works sometimes and it didn't work others. And
I think two actually played pretty well. But Terrell Bernard's
making plays week after week.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
Oh, he was a great less.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
He prevented to A going to his first read on
one play that ended up being I believe that was
his interception or maybe it was a fumble. Greg Russeau,
day Kwon Jones, Leonard Floyd, Sean Mcdermot's different than Leslie Frazier.
He is coming after defenses. They've been very aggressive and
it was impressive today. They're better up front on both

(08:23):
sides of the ball. I think this year than they've
ever been, which is scary. Under McDermott. Their offensive line
also playing well. I know the rushing yards don't standout,
but in short yarded situations they're now just handing the
ball off er in the red zone and they're getting
touchdowns or they're getting first downs with their running back.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
With Alan playing at this level last three weeks and
you could argue he's playing better than any quarterback in
the league. After that ugly Week one against the Jets,
the Bills start to look terrifying. Mike McDaniel, Dolphins coach,
you never can get him in the show.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
We will.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Oh, you have just fun to hear him talk. He's
just one of those dudes. He was handing out flowers
to the opponent after the loss.

Speaker 10 (08:58):
First off, I think the Buffalo Bills proved why they
are are the the team that you know that our
whole division is trying to beat. They've you know, wanted
for how many years in a row?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now, I mean he's not wrong many. I think it's
been three maybe four years in a row. Not all
good news, guys. Before we move on, Tredavious White very
important piece of that secondary for Buffalo kind of a heart,
heart and soul piece of the defense suffers what appears
to be a serious Achilles injury. Let's hear from Sean McDermott,

(09:35):
who did not paint an optimistic picture.

Speaker 11 (09:37):
They're obviously still evaluating. Yeah, I mean, he's been through
a lot, and sometimes you wonder, right, why things like
that happen twice? You know, you know to someone, I'm
not saying what.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
It is, what it is.

Speaker 11 (09:52):
I'm just saying, like, you know, you just you just
wonder why, because you watch him how hard he's worked
to give back.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
It was really disappointing. He was he was so frustrated, distraught,
slammed his helmet through his helmet immediately pounded his fist
against the ground.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
You kind of knew.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
And as great as this performance was by the Bills,
I still left the game thing and the most important
part of the game was they lost Tredevious White. Looks
like it's going to be Achilles for the season. In Toronto, Armstead,
the left tackle for the Dolphins, could barely walk off
the field and left with a knee injury. Those are
two of the lynchpins of both of those two teams,

(10:36):
and I don't think it was a coincidence that Miami's
offense kind of started falling apart the minute Armstead left.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
So both those injuries that happened last year when Armstead
was not in there like their splits the way they
looked completely different.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
One other note, Tamar Hamlin was active in this game
after his near death experience on the field last year's
first time being active for the Bills. He played mostly
special teams with Jordan Poyer out of the lineup.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
That is a cool thing.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
So all around, other than the Trenavius White injury, great
stuff for Buffalo. Now three and one, tied with the
Dolphins atop the AFC East. Let us keep moving, a gentleman,
let us head to Indy. I call this the Frisky Bowl.
Rams cults two of the most fun teams to watch
so far this year. And nobody was talking about these

(11:23):
teams in that way on September first, And that's why
football's fun.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Let's get to it.

Speaker 7 (11:28):
Stafford ready calls for the snap.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Here comes the rush.

Speaker 7 (11:31):
He throws white side alone, hits Pookah.

Speaker 12 (11:34):
At the five, a walk off winter Pooka nakula in
over time, Nakuah Matanda.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
It means no worries for the rest of today. It's
a problem.

Speaker 7 (11:51):
Free Rams victory. Whoa ja going the distance with that?

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Oh yeah, there we go. Everybody's on fire, including Roberts
behind the glass.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I love this is this JB. Long going into his
John Sterling area. He's just gonna cats phrases for everybody else.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Sounds like it.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Unbelievable finish for the La Rams. I find these types
of wins to be the best types. When you have
the game in hand, you let it all slip away,
and then you recover and somehow find a way. And
that's what Matthew Stafford and the Rams did in a
overtime victory over the Colts on the road, final score

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twenty nine to twenty three. When Stafford connected to Puka Nakua,
it's a star in overtime coverage bus.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
There tough, tough beat for the Colts d in that spot.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
This is a game that the Rams were up twenty
three zip I believe in the third quarter. And then
what made this such a fun game, boys, is you
saw everything that's kind of excited about this Rams team,
how functional the offense is, how good, straight up good
this offense is. When Matthew Stafford is healthy and protected,

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and Sean mcvay's calling the place like and and it's
just like everything kind of works and and then you
saw what happens. Why people are excited about this Colts
team because Anthony Richardson then took over and led the
team on three scoring drives to tie the game up
late in regulation, and uh.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
We keptitting the two as well.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
It was just so impressive. He is such a great playmaker.
Richardson already one of the best playmakers in the league.
And mark the Matthew Stafford, who I think we all
like him a lot and and respect him, and he's
kind of had a great career. Got the ring and
now this is kind of the epilogue and what's been
a long run. He bangs up his hip late in

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this game. He could barely move and yet he leads
that team in overtime, culminated with the Nakua touchdown pass.
What a huge win for the Rams on the road.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yeah, the hip injury concerning obviously, he's had hip issues
in years past. He's of the age where you know,
we saw what happened to him last year. The body
started to deconstruct if the season went along, and it's like,
you know, I spent this whole offseason suspicious of why
the Rams had this immensely young offense with Matthew Stafford
sitting in there, like it felt a little disjointed, but

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not now. It's like that I have to give Sean
McVay like and less neat in the whole situation, like
a lot of credit because a guy like Puka Nakua,
who sounded like some name you'd make up, like a
couple months ago to non college fans, thirty nine catches
the best start by any rookie in NFL history. They
seemed like when Cooper Cup was lost that the whole

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operation was gonna sink, and you might have a Rams
team that wins three games. And I pointed to another
team in Pittsburgh saying, look at how they're putting an
offense together that are all young together and growing and
they're a lost shit. But it's the Rams all along,
Like had these young guys who are the opposite of
household names a month ago, and they're really fun to watch.

Speaker 7 (15:06):
And it's like this kind of to your point, Dan, like.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
To get into a hole where you've kind of given
up your lead, and it could break certain teams and
certain other coach teams that aren't coached to this degree
and without a Matthew Stafford under center.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
Like they didn't.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
I mean, they almost lost it, but it's like, I'm
so impressed they didn't get stuck in that hole.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm glad you said that, because Mark I was texting
with Jordan Rodrigue, our friend at the Athletic who comes
the Rams. I texted her when they were up twenty
three zip and then or she texted me and reminded
me of something we had some fun with over the summer,
the T shirt that Sean McVay had printed up and

(15:44):
it's set on the back. And yes, it was wordy
and some of the syntax was a little shaky. Capitalization
was weird. Yeah, some of that there was an Amber
sand involved and in grammatical problems.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
But the most important thing was the message mentally and
physically tough players who are smart and love to compete.
Watch that game. There's the T shirt.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
If you're watching this on YouTube, watch that game and
tell me that does not describe Gregy, the Rams team
that we watched here in it.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
You don't want to overrate a week four win, they
got the Eagles coming in next week. But to me,
when the Colts got the ball back and the Rams
had given up a twenty three to nothing lead, and
the Rams had also just given the ball back with
under two minutes to go, had chosen not to go
for it on fourth down or anything, and Anthony Richardson

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gets the ball back, I'm thinking, like, this Rams season
is on the brink a little bit right here. If
they give up a twenty three point lead and they
got the Eagles coming in next week, And there's already
talking Los Angeles among reporters that you believe like Jordan
that like, okay, if they get to the trade deadline
and the you know, they'll have decisions to make if
their record sideways. And there's a nice throw by Richardson

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on third down that Quinton Lake, you know, breaks up
and it looked like he had gotten beat on the play.
He fights back to it. They get into overtime, they
have that terrific offensive drive and they can survive and
get through this quarter two and two, and even if
they lose to the Eagles, they'll have a chance to
win some games after. And it's like that's how you
stack a season up is like surviving moments like that

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and getting to a point where they won't be sellers
at the trade though.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Can I ask your question, Den's like, I watched as
much as I could of this, especially just when it
started to turn into what it was, and Anthony Richardson
on a weekly basis, there's these moments where he's like,
this is the best athlete on the field, like he's
marvelous and on the ground he's so dangerous, and yet
there aren't other quarterbacks in the league going eleven for
twenty five.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, so this was a game where the box score,
at least the completion percentage doesn't match the level of play,
because even at one point it was something it was
way worse.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
It was like five for fourteen or five for fifty.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
He's produced these things like this before.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
You know, it didn't feel like to me like he
was playing poorly. It was just everything was really out
of sync for the Colts for the better part of
two and a half quarters.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
But when he turned it.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
On, I just the highest compliment I could pay the
guys when they were down eight late in the fourth
quarter and they had already kind of made inroads and
scored twice already. It just felt like there was no
way this guy wasn't going to do it, which is,
you know, there's not many guys that are like that,
and like Richardson with his ability to do it all

(18:23):
is really I know, with all due respect to CJ. Shroud,
who's off to an amazing start himself. Like, when this
season is over, if Richardson stays healthy, he's gonna win
Offensive Rookie of the Year because this is gonna be
an every week thing where he is making plays and
he's going to electrify the buildings.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Take Texas fans won't like that, and I.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Said respect to Stroud, but I think Richardson is box
office on a level that that's why Ers wanted him.
And like, just like we were putting down the Rams
as a team not to take seriously in the summer,
the Colts kind of from Afar looked a bit of
like a clown show the way it was run last
year and all the drama around Jonathan Taylor and man, no,

(19:01):
they lost this game, but I think both of these
teams they might not be in the super Bowl, but
I think they're going to be hanging around. They remained
bolt to me very frisky. Now with a caveat as
let's here for Matt Stafford. I hope this guy's hips okay,
because we do not want to see a limp in
Matthew Stafford. Let's listen to what he had to say
about his injury and how it affected him. It sounded

(19:23):
a little worrisome.

Speaker 13 (19:24):
The hardest part was just it was kind of just
shutting down the leg a little bit right where you
feel like you can step and you push and normal
leg and then step and push and not normally. Just
the muscles were kind of shutting down, but just kept going. No,
it was just going to be one of those things
that was, you know, pain slash function. As long as
I could keep it warm on the sideline and keep

(19:46):
the function going, I was going to try to stay
in there.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
So bird's eye view not the first thing I'd want
to hear from my quarterback.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
He does say he'll be out there next week.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's good in what in what capacity? To heat Chelsea? Yeah,
and it does.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Anthony Richardson got out of this game one piece, which
is also a first in his NFL career. All right,
let's now move to yes. With all due respect CJ.
Stroud is off to.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I mean, Stroud is the rookie of the year right now,
just say and it's not I'm projecting.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
Yeah, no, that's fair.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
I think that would be.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
I would go sandwiches with you if Stroud continue to
do what heat that's fair done.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
And for Richardson like completion percent, that's nice, but yards
pretentp matters a lot more. And he had about yeah,
eight yards per attempt and six or seven big time
plays in there, so you'll take that trade.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
He's fun, he's exciting, he's special, interesting, Okay. Now, c J.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Stroud also you could explain him in that manner. And
here's what happened in Houston today.

Speaker 7 (20:40):
Third and seven from the Texans forty eight. Stroud shotgun
motor in the backfield with him.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
CJ gets to snap, CJ throwing downfield.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
And pop by Nico twenty five twenty Blake.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
Tib tackle fifteen ten five rock and roll touchdown kuston.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
C J.

Speaker 12 (20:58):
Stroud with more third down magic to the end zone.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Mark Vandermier with a call Texans Radio. I always forget
that he does the rock and roll thing. There's something
like a wholesome uncle vibe about that from Vandermier.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Now they haven't rock and rolled in a while, and
that's it's you know, it's bringing it back.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Rookie CJ.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Stroud had another big time showing on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
He threw for over three hundred yards two.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Touchdowns and the and the Texans welcome to the boat
race for Galia where you get the bomb drops in
the woodshed thirty to six over the Steelers. Now we
welcome in a man that he drops bombs on every
local Jimmy steps into just with what he's putting up.
And he doesn't and he doesn't just work on the
beach muscles because he's a Midwest grinder.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Nick, how are you?

Speaker 14 (21:50):
I'm fantastic, guys. I don't know if I dropping bombs
sounds destructive?

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, you are destructive in the gym. It must discuss
to you, Nick before. I don't want to get off here.
But when you see those guys a little twig legs
in the big biceps and they got they got the
beach muscles, but they're not strong men like you.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
You're repulsed by that, aren't you.

Speaker 14 (22:11):
They're not doing compound movements, they're skipping leg day. It's
all about the glamour muscles. Yeah, yeah, disgusted, absolutely revolted.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
How do you feel about the three of us when
you take a look at how we're appearing here in
the middle of in the early October.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
No comment, You all look great? Okay, well it's been
on the show. Yeah, shookey Stroud again, what are you seeing?

Speaker 14 (22:32):
I mean, he looks fantastic. He looks so Going into
this draft, with this draft class, I was kind of
confused by the consensus that surrounded Bryce Young because everyone
thought he's the far and away number one answer here,
he's got everything, blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
It was great.

Speaker 14 (22:44):
But what I saw in CJ. Stroud is somebody who
gave you the best chance to win if you played
them right away. What you're going to do with most
of those guys that you draft there because of his
accuracy x accuracy has been fantastic the last two games.
That touchdown passed and then highlight that you just rolled.
I mean he threw that in the perfect spot not
only for Nico Collins to make the catch, but to
catch and run down the sideline for a touchdown. He's
done that a number of times in his last couple

(23:05):
of games. Even in this first game he did that
a few times. He's very settled in and a huge
tip of the cap to offensive coordinator Bobby Slok, who
is doing everything right with CJ.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Stroud.

Speaker 14 (23:14):
He's taking advantage of all of his strengths. He's scheming
the offense around them. They got a lot of young
talent over there that's all kind of making some plays there.
And he looks very comfortable and I think that's the
most important part. He is not sped up by the game.
He's playing really good football right now.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Now.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Slowik is one of the more interesting stories because he's
got a PFF background and he was under Shanahan for
a bit in San Francisco. Hasn't like called plays like
this before, which you hear the narrative about it takes
a couple of years to you even figure out situationally
what you're doing. But he's done so much with these
young players, and I think like his fingerprints are all
over Stroud.

Speaker 14 (23:47):
Yeah, you're right. The background is the whole Shanahan tree,
and that's what we're seeing first and foremost is a
coach who knows how to adapt to the strengths of
his player and to where they're just sliding right in
and being very calm. Surprised even myself and I thought
very highly of Stroud coming out of Ohio State, that
he was going to be the guy that could go
win you games the quickest in the NFL. Maybe not
the highest seeling. I think the highest seeling belongs to

(24:08):
Anthony Richardson, but he was gonna be a guy that
can step in and win games. Even I'm surprised by
his performance in the first month the season, where fifty
percent if not more, of his games had been so
encouraging that when Greg says, you know, he's the rookie
of the year right now offensively, you have to agree that's.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Not even close. Well, i'd be a pro bowler.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It's four yeames in, but just at this point, I mean,
they're boat racing the Jags. They're boat racing the Steelers.
And the thing he's been best at, I think is
dealing with pressure. He hasn't been sacked in the last
two weeks, and Laramie Tunzel's out again today. Most of
their offensive line is out there playing the Steelers and
he's not making negative plays.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
It's so impressive.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
What was up with the Steelers defense here today, and
what was up with Mike Tomlin Punton on fourth and
two down twenty three to six in the fourth quarter.
I mean, that is something that I know drives Steelers
fans crazy. But Mike Tomlin is like an all time
like I'm going to give up on the game and punch.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, it's a guy.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
It drives me crt.

Speaker 14 (25:03):
That's a that's a message to his guys. We came
out flat, we got knocked in the mouth. We don't
deserve to still compete in this game. You guys didn't
give enough effort. We played like crap, and now we're
going to pay for it. Let's get back on the bus,
go to the plane and go back to Pitt.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's like one of those and I do it now
with my own children, and it happened to me when
I was a kid. Sometimes the parental punishment doesn't make
any sense, and it's like this isn't really thought out,
but the parent doesn't want to They don't want to
give any ground on it at any level. Let's listen
shooky to Tomlin, who obviously you know they come off
two game winning streak here, but this this is now
another grizzly performance by the offense especially, and he was

(25:37):
hinting at could there be changes.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
Mike says, yes, changes regarding hell yeah, we got to
make some changes, man. That was that was That was
an ugly product we put out there today. And so
we're not going to do the same things and and
hope for a different outcome. What those changes are, man,
we'll put together a plan. Uh, in preparation.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
The biggest change shook would be the quarterback position, and
you have a Kenny Pickett who has not played well
this year, but he goes out with a knee injury
that we don't know the severity right now. Mitch Trubisky
could be on the field for them, but there's a
lot of mounting criticism around Matt Canada as well their
play caller. How do you see that breakdown in terms
of the struggles.

Speaker 14 (26:15):
Yeah, I think that Pickett has not taken the step
forward that you expect from him. The offensive line hasn't
done him a lot of favors. Matt Canada has not
done him a lot of favors with his play calling.
The knee injury to me looked kind of bad. It's
not encouraging. So you might not see him for a
little bit. But more importantly than anything, it doesn't matter
who you put back there in quarterback unless you've got
God himself playing quarterback. It's going to be really hard

(26:36):
to overcome some of the situations that Matt Canada puts
them in. You know, last year and the year before
it was their offensive line is not good enough for
them to establish the ground game well.

Speaker 7 (26:43):
Now.

Speaker 14 (26:43):
The play calling itself is just so disjointed that every
time I look at a play with Kenny Pickett dropping
back to pass, it feels like it's third and thirteen
and he's got no shot because they don't hold up
well enough for him to sit back there. He doesn't
look comfortable, he's pretty skittish, and when he does throw passes,
they're usually contested passes that he expects George Pickens to
make superhero plays on. So I'm not confident in this
offense at all, and it's really annoying because they have talent.

(27:03):
It's just not working right now, and I think a
lot of it has to do with the offense.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
I do think God would probably pull off like a
higher passer rating than what we saw from Pickett today.
But your two leading receivers are running backs, so neither
one of them have more than thirty two yards. It's like,
I guess I can't find a team. I'm more disappointed
in after what I thought we'd be seeing in the
growth and development I thought we'd be seeing in Pittsburgh.
It's like, I don't know why Canada was retained. I

(27:28):
think that was a surprise to begin with, But it's like,
how much longer do you keep Matt Canada?

Speaker 14 (27:33):
Well, it depends on how you feel the potential of
this team really is for this year, because I think
if you can't replace an offensive cordinaor in the middle
of season and see an instant turnaround, so I think
you're kind of stuck to a degree with what you got.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
That's how Canada got the job, though he did take
over in the middle of the season, and I think
he had a decent little run if I remember, and
then they ended up keeping the job. If God was
the quarterback, though, you know he would keep Deonte Johnson healthy.
Pratt Firemouth left in this game early with an injury,
so things are things are kind of snowball that year.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Why does God keep coming on?

Speaker 5 (28:01):
I don't know, he said he said God would not be.

Speaker 7 (28:03):
Able to go only God.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
The Theology Podcast. Yeah, Jesu Louis.

Speaker 14 (28:08):
Jogged over and just heals.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Deonta Texans are a real thing. Now they're in the mix.
They're in the playoff mix. The AFC South is kind
of fun.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Actually, it's a little bit frisky, shooky.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Let's head to Philadelphia where we had a game that
went right down to the end.

Speaker 15 (28:23):
It is a fifty four yard attempt.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
These kickers hold well, this kicker, yeah, but he's not a.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
Top five is there?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
You go there? Eagles win.

Speaker 16 (28:42):
The Eagles win, lights out Johnson with those fourth field
goal of the.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Time MM, Jake Elliott, Yeah, you get past the velvet
ropes come on in. Buddy kicks four field goals, including
the fifty four yarder piped it to lift the Eagles
were to thirty four to thirty one win over the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
They are four and zero for the second straight year.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Elliott also kicked forty one, forty seven, and thirty six
before the last one. The Eagles fans go nuts and
Jalen Hurts shooky and the passing game. This is progress
on Sunday right in a game that was closer than
maybe some people thought it would be.

Speaker 14 (29:26):
Yeah, typically Cap with the piped it reference to Jay Feely,
which is also a double reference at this point in
this show. So we've got multiple layers going on. But
Jalen hurts Man fantastic. First time that we really saw
this passing offense completely open up.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
This season.

Speaker 14 (29:39):
It's been a bit of a struggle. They've had to
rely on the ground game, but they did not have to,
you know, lean too much on DeAndre Swift in this game.
But it was It was a really fun battle. I
think on both sides. You know, it told me a
lot about Washington, but I was excited to see the
Eagles blow it and then bounce back and find a
way to win it with a long field goal. They
still have some minor issues, but they're a fun watches.

(30:00):
Escially when Hur's thrown around like this.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Give me some Sam Howell recap here, because the seat
to see Howell survive in an offensive shootout, you expect
more out of the Commander's defense. So, you know, credit
to the Eagles offense for putting it on them today,
but you don't expect the Commander's offense to kind of
be going toe for toe and give them that lead
early in this game.

Speaker 14 (30:22):
Yeah, they had a ten point lead early on. I'm thinking, man,
they goett to run away with this? Is this going
to be one of those games where Sam Houses forget
about last week, for get my four ugly interceptions against Buffalo.
They don't matter because I'm winning the game of the
division this week and I'm doing it my way. They
did blow that lead, but what they did even better
was come back. I mean, down to the final play
of regulation, there's one second adjusted to two seconds left

(30:44):
in the clock.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
He sits back there, cool.

Speaker 14 (30:46):
As a cucumber, delivers a strike to the right side,
game tying touchdown on a drive that for a little bit.
You know, when they got in the Eagles territory inside,
like the forty, looked like they were just gonna flat
out run out of time. I mean even the broadcast
it's like they're taking too long.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
They got to go.

Speaker 14 (30:59):
They got two plays out of the final ten seconds,
maybe three plays, yeah, three, and we're able to score
on the last one. Kid comes up in the clutch.
You know, he's gonna have some issues, some warts early
on in his career, but he's a gamer. He's a gamer.
With some ability, and he's really really fun to watch,
even though they lost this game.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I think he's had been sacked twenty four times, and
I mean, I know a lot of that is on him.
It's the line, it's the whole thing that has to
be corrected at some point. I was so glad to
see the Eagles pull this out, though, because like AJ
Brown nine catches for one hundred and seventy five yard
and two touchdowns, and it's like, you're right, this just
shows you the power and the versatility of this offense.

(31:34):
But he had at the penalty, the taunting penalty after
that score, and it's like, I don't think if that happens,
and you can argue whether that was deserved or not.
If that penalty does not happen, like Washington probably runs
out of time and doesn't get close enough to do
what they needed to do at the end there, And
it's like he would have played quietly this goat role
when he's like an absolutely epic hero in this contest.

Speaker 14 (31:56):
Yeah, but you know what, I gave him a pass
for that because the taunting was so brief, happened live
in the thoughts.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
I don't think it was a shaky call go for two.

Speaker 14 (32:05):
And looked at him a little bit closely as he
was running.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
Yes, I don't like that, go for two, Go for two? Ron.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
You know what all of Lincoln Financial Field was sweating
yes about and hoping that you didn't do Ron rivera
go for.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
T where's the river boat?

Speaker 7 (32:20):
Where it is retired?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Is get back on? Well?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Maybe because of the boat race for Galia was booked
up the waterway. It's gonna get out there, all right, Shooky,
We're gonna let you off the hook.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Here. You can get on the boat so you don't
have to talk about the Browns. Yikes. Thank you sir
as always, and we'll see you next Sunday.

Speaker 14 (32:41):
I was so merciful, guys.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah later, All right, let's take a break and then
we will move on. All right, welcome back. It is
time now for the Sunday Drive, presented by the first
ever Toyota Grand Highlander. Let's head to Big d where
cowboys were big Mad.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
After an ugly week three showing.

Speaker 17 (33:03):
Second and ten, Jones is back plenty of times, rolls right,
bottled up, throws back to that intercept down plea house,
Hello House, House, it's made.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Duran, Hello, house, that's our guy for Doran Blan.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Wow, that's our dude.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Damn God, Brad Sham the sham god with the call,
Duran Blan returned one of his two picks to the
house untouched. Leyton vander ash also scooped up a fumble
on a mac Jones uh sack ran it back for
a score in the Cowboys hammer the Patriots thirty eight

(33:46):
to three.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Interesting, boys, U, Greg mac Jones doesn't finish this game.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Uh, And there's going to be a ground swell of
people saying he's the reason why they got destroyed in
this game.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
One of them is that is that fair?

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Do you do you think the cow the Patriots are
heading towards something here with their one time first round pick.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Well, if if we're talking about that, we do have
Belichick on mac Jones out of the game, right, Like we.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Have a show where we could hear from Mike McDaniel
and Bill Bell.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Yeah, let's just hear him about mac Jones.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
The games on the.

Speaker 18 (34:26):
Led the decision to take mac out at three forty
one remaining in.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
The third quarter.

Speaker 13 (34:32):
I think there's any point leaving him in the game.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Will be starting next week against the Saints.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, just so there's no point leaving him in the game,
Mike in grace.

Speaker 19 (34:42):
I mean, yeah, do you think considered taking like jud
out on the other side or got.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Him in the ribs no effect? Yeah, I mean put
something some effect.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
It's about ten agins the answer.

Speaker 7 (35:00):
So Bill was he.

Speaker 15 (35:04):
No, I said there was no point in leaving him
out there, so I took him out.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
That pause, by the way that you heard, that pregnant
pause was Bill in his mind trying to figure out
if he could make Mike Reese disappear under the mess
pike and not be connected to it.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I mean, he's that's happened to other people connected with
wellots before.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Mike might be the leader in the clubhouse, is the
best beat writer out there in the game right now
in terms of longevity and quality.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Hey, you don't build under to the mess Pike unless
Bill Belichick respects you.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
But he's been there twenty years so he can ask
those tough questions. And he does plan to start him
next week. He did make it clear in that press conference.
He did say yes, once pressed on it, you know,
if Mac is going to start. But this is the
worst possible game in all ways. For the Patriots, mac

(35:51):
Jones mentally crumbled after a couple of pretty good drives.
I thought to start the game where they get a
field goal and then they turn it over on downs.
He is so unathletic, and you try to look past
that because he has other things that you know in
theory can make up for that. But let's look at
how they turned it over on downs. They do the
tush push right, and it was blocked up pretty well.

(36:14):
But mac Jones just sort of just like falls forward.
There was no defenders there, like he could have run forward.
They don't get it, and then the whole rest of
the game it turns into this Mac Jones like I'm
going to try to play hero ball and panicking and
really reminded me of a year ago where he's throwing
the ball across his body. Dron Bland almost had two
pick six. Dron Plain is a great player, by the way,

(36:36):
or a great young player, promising five picks as a
rookie last year. He didn't get a lot of pop
replacing treyvon Dick. So that's great for the Cowboys. We'll
get to the good part of the Cowboys. It's just
so many bad decisions, and then by the end middle
of the third quarter, why you had to take him
out even on plays that were perfectly blocked. Mack was
completely freaking out and kind of not throwing it to
open receivers and then doing crazy things, and so he's

(36:59):
mentally collapsing. You have no explosive element to your offense.
And then, as you heard from Mike Grease, Matt Judah,
their best defensive player gets hurt in the fourth quarter
of a total blowout. The way the teammates were talking
after the game, it sounded like it could be a
long term injury. They're reporting it as a biceps injury,
so that's probably a torn biceps in. Christian Gonzalez, their

(37:21):
defensive rookie of the month for September in the NFL,
left very early with what appeared to be a serious
shoulder injury. So everything that could go wrong did. It
was a humbling day for the Patriots.

Speaker 7 (37:33):
The worst loss of Belichick's head.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Coaching career twenty four seasons, and Pats fans will remember
the other one. It was the season open against Buffalo
in two thousand and three thirty one zip.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
Even worse than any Browns loss. Ye had to throw up.

Speaker 7 (37:47):
Those Browns teams did not get blown out.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
And the difference is like that, what did that two
thousand and three team do? Greg? They won the season,
they won the super Bowl. But everything feels different. Obviously
everything is different.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
He's not there anymore, but in general that the ship
feels like it's it's swaying a little bit. And I thought,
and I I, you know, this is not me being
a bitter jetspin, but I've seen the face, that face
that a quarterback makes when he's had a terrible day
and he's still going back out on the field. I
think Belichick made the right move to get him out

(38:21):
of that game because they showed him on the sideline
and you could.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Tell he was he had no answers.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Capitulated on some level.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
And I thought he played really well the first three weeks,
but he today was a lot in him.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
And we're gonna disagree on that because I don't see
the same level playing Mac Jones, even though he has
made throws this season at times, I just don't. I
don't think he's special or even or even maybe average.
And I'm wondering, as we and we could talk about
this down the line, but that Mac Jones mark becomes like,
if if this season goes where it might be going

(38:55):
for New England, that Mac Jones is a sacrificial lamb
after this, it's not Belichick and they get to start over,
and he gets to start over with a QB and
gets one last chance with this team.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
I don't think that would be totally unfair other than
the fact that, like Bill Belichick scouted and picked this player.
So it's not entirely on mac Jones. Last year it was,
you know, complete freebie because you you had a you know,
chaos in the coaching situation. On offense, you've got Bill
O'Brien and Greg. I just don't see the player that
you see when it comes to mac Jones. I'm not
saying that you think he's some great guy, but.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
I just think he can be average. But in their
offensive line has been so bad.

Speaker 7 (39:29):
You're gonna be average.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
You're going to float in another world in the AFC
or in the NFC, right and this is a team
right now that when I watch them on offense, it's
like your selling point was Ramandro Stevenson flat lining, Like
this isn't this is an offense from like nineteen ninety one.
There's there's defensive strengths, but like you're not, You're this
is not a modern day twenty twenty three offense.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
No, they're They allowed the Cowboys and we can get
to the Cowboys now like to sit on these short routes.
And Bland was asked about it by our old colleague
Mike already after the game, about city on these routes,
and he's just like, hey, look that's what we saw
in film. And so what he's saying is they can't
push the ball down the field. Mac Jones doesn't have

(40:10):
the arm or athleticism to make extra plays down the field.
And then, more importantly to me, and this is completely
on Belichick. The whole team is on Belichick. And I
don't think Belichick will survive this season. Unless they win
eight or nine games, I think he'll be fired. I
also think it's a long way from saying they won't
win eight or nine games. It's early, it's one in three,
But I think I think Kraft will get rid of
him if it goes south. He put this entire team together.

(40:34):
They have no explosive players right now. Those are all
his players.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
The juju signing, it's going to continue to build up
as another thing to point to. He just doesn't have
athleticism itself, it seems when he's trying to come out
of these routes.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
It's it's ugly and the cowboys.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Like I said on Thursday, Bett, if this is a
big time team, you take that ugly Cardinals loss and
you take it out on a middling team in your building.
It's exactly what they did, which is why I was
so surprised that.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
I'm waiting for those rain clouds.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
There are l's that the rain Maker has taken over years,
and then there are capital l's.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
This is uh, this is a big one.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
This is a big one. You know, somebody's daughter isn't
getting braces.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
No, too bad for her.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Somebody's son isn't going to promm.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Hey, yeah, you gotta play the long game. But you
gotta take the l's when they come.

Speaker 7 (41:28):
How much does prom cost?

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Oh, the toilet doesn't work. Now you got to go
outside because Greg picked with his.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Heart and not his head than before I thought I
was with the head.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
You know, you guys got to accept this and you
got to move on when you've taken and now this
this poor credit.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
It puts a lot of pressure on the rain Maker.
Now mark for the next one, because he's got a
as a showman. He's got to come out and say,
I know I let you down. This one is my guarantee. Yeah,
double double this up.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Or you completely forget about it for like five more
weeks until in the middle of the show, like, oh
I haven't done a rain Maker? Is that you still
have that drop erics like one second before doing bad
job by me. I do want to just give some
props to Dak who I mentioned going into this game.
This might be a tough matchup for him. Oh my god,
he's ghosts. He played so well. You know, they're nine
to one in their last ten games after a loss,

(42:21):
averaging thirty three points. This is a team that bounces back.
His decision making. His passes were on point. I think
he was seven for nine on throws that were at
least ten yards down the field. A lot of these
were right in the bucket. And I know the Patriots
are down three or four of their top cornerbacks, but
they were great throws. Gallup's been playing much better these
last couple weeks. A lot of Jake Ferguson is a

(42:42):
real tight and they have a lot of positives.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
So they had that one bad game, but a lot
of positives.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
For deck the Cowboys next Sunday Night, forty nine Ers Week.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
New Game of the Year, New Game of the Year.

Speaker 7 (42:54):
Well, so you have to go, you have to go go.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Toe to toe with the Niners, and like, you can't
have another flat performance.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Well, I believe it, talk about it. I know you.

Speaker 4 (43:02):
I know you believe in them, and like I, I
I have fair historical reason to be suspicious that they'll
win twelve games and then go flat again.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
That's the past. This is now.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
It's literally a week ago.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
They look they're not gonna go They're not gonna go seventeen,
and oh.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Every team's gonna have you just I we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
So now you're out on the Cowboy I thought you
were in this year.

Speaker 7 (43:23):
No, oh okay, I'm in on the Niners.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
But it's like, I like what happened last week kind
of reconfirmed just suspicions about Dallas.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
It's an NFL, it's an NFL game, and today's happened
did that?

Speaker 7 (43:36):
I I love what they did today.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
It's like things happen. I trust them to do it
about twelve times. Then January will come.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
I'll just say this where nobody's underdog?

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Damn right, Zaddie and I see you bones fossil little trick,
two point conversion.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Dan Quinn doing his thing. What a staff, What a team.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
They were up twenty eight three at half time, and
dan Quinn was like, not today, not this time.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Team of eighten the Cowboys smart, you're gonna probably get
super Bowl two weeks of Super Bowl nonsense with them
if if it goes your way, so that'll be enough
for me.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
It would be great.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
And that was the Sunday Drive presented by Toyota. Let's
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All Right, you know who might not be playing in
the Super Bowl this year?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
The Bengals. Things are going bad. Let's head to Nashville.
Tannehill under center.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
You handle that well? That was a very humbly what
can you do? And that it's hard to be more
wrong about anything than I was.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
Hell, God, Dad, Titan Grace. That's the word.

Speaker 9 (44:38):
Henry, I should say, is the man who rolls it
through all that food.

Speaker 7 (44:44):
But just freak me out.

Speaker 5 (44:47):
Cincinnati was more lost than me.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Whoa my keep again? More Grace owned it turned it
into beauty. That's magic. Titans Radio, the Titans Listen. There
are teams that are difficult to figure out in this league,
many of them. Actually, The Titans have been all over
the map so far. And this week, this Sunday, it

(45:13):
was the best version of the Titans. Ryan Tannehill throws
for two forty and a touchdown. Dereck Henry looks like
Dereck Henry again, even with that jump past TD throw,
which I love.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
And they trounced the Bengals twenty seven to three in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Quite a performance for Tennessee all the way around. They
only had ninety four yards of offense last week against Cleveland,
and they scored twenty seven straight points in this game.
Mark And like, I think it's it's a credit to Tennessee.
But that's not what people and I know are Buddy
Grave Digger and Titans fans are gonna say.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Everybody should be focusing.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
On what the Titans can do when they are, you know,
in their bag. But everyone is obviously going to focus
on Cincinnati being completely lost at sea on both sides,
of the ball in this game, but especially on offense,
where once again you had a limited Burrow unable to
do anything in this offense going nowhere fast.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Two things are happening because Grave Digger and Titans fans
are correct because as hot and cold as they are
when they're hot, and they appear under the mic Rabel
leadership the way that they have in the past, I
watched a team that was like more physical than Cincinnati,
that beat them up all over the place, that nullified
their pass rush when they have a weak offensive line.

Speaker 7 (46:29):
Oh yeah, did they win? Henry threw that lob?

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Did that not come after a timeout where like they
saw Henry lined up in a direct snap situation on
the Playboff Course, they go back and they kind of
collect themselves and then Henry just throws the snout.

Speaker 7 (46:41):
He swears on the next play.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
It was very vrable and I'll give him credit, and
I'll give Tim Kelly credit there o. C who they had,
they cooked up some good stuff in this game where
they head to the goal line and it's Jeffrey Simmons,
a tickle monster serving as the up back with Derrick
Henry back, and he's like holy s A and they
and they call time out and then you know what

(47:04):
Rabel does. It sends the same setup on the field,
They run the same play and they're like, we don't
care about you being able to recalibrate yourselves.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
You're still not going to stop this, and they did not.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
And that It's like Louis and Arumo has been a
bright spot when they when they've tried to get through
these games, and I think he's a great coordinator, but
coaching in general with the Bengals, to have this last
year's ugly start, this year's start, it certainly ties to
the body of Joe Burrow. He's struggling. He took us
some terrible hits in this game today and at one
point I saw him kind of coming off to the
sideline and testing his arm elbow. He got just it's you.

(47:37):
You're not going to get out of this if your
quarterback's not healthy. And it's not the only problem on
this team right now.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Right That's the thing that gets me and why I
wasn't over the moon about the Monday night victory. That
was a nice night. It was like a championship effort
to get through that gutty, But in this game, they
got almost doubled up in total yardage four hundred to
two eleven. They didn't have a single play over seventeen
yards on offense. That's been consistent. Their offense has been

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bad all four games, including against the Rams, one of
the most defensive challenge teams in the league, and they've
struggled in that game. And it's mostly about Burrow, but
the offensive line has not looked good, and they didn't
look good when Burrow was moving a little better the
first couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
So there's a lot going on with this team.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Yeah, and I mean I've said it on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Still feel this way, and you can now say, well,
they don't have this ability to do this.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Got to sit down the quarterback this.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
I know you're one in three and you're probably under
the belief if we sit the quarterback down, our season's over.
But you can't keep sending him out like this. In
addition to it being just sad to watch, it's ineffective
and move Okay, no he can't. He's not moving at all.
Everything again is out of the shotgun. There is, so
everything is out of his hands immediately, and Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Just like we thought was gonna be a pro.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It was a problem because the offensive line was getting
beat and once that pass rusher was on top of him,
he's taken some nasty shots.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
So you could.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Survive on Monday Night with that game plan against a
lesser team or a lesser defense, But in this game,
that's a taste of what's going to continue to happen
until he gets hurt and he's either going to pop
the calf again or it's gonna be a different injury
like we saw almost happen in this game, and who
knows how he's gonna feel when he wakes up. So
I think it's high pass time that you need to
sit this guy down. Your season's already on the ropes.

(49:29):
You kind of stop pretending if you're Zach Taylor. And
I think Zach Taylor deserves blame for this as well,
because you're not seeing and a lot of Bengals fans
are pointing to Taylor is the number one problem.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Oh, I got some spice Rack text to read off.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
I still think that's understandable, But it's crazy to me
that people don't just say, well, Joe Burrow is forty
percent or thirty percent. How do you not say that's
the problem. You could say it's the play caller, and
maybe there is some route here where they call a
different type of game that makes them more effective. I
just don't see it with at quarterback. I don't think

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there is a path to competency on offense with the
way this guy is.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
They can't dominate people on the ground the way that
they were a couple of seasons ago. Alongside his play,
t Higgins gets lost to cracked ribs.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
I think it is.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
I mean, it's like the house is starting to burn
around you, and it's like the whole AFC North is
a bit of a shamble save for one team right now.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
Right meanwhile the AFC South, and we'll get to I
guess the last team here, but I think do we
have a four way tie at two and two? They're
all a little frisky with some some frisky wins.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
But yeah, spice Rack, you know what.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Wes is great, great friend who is a Bengals fan
and is always never believed in Zach Taylor kind of
like me, just points out opening drive eleven plays down
to the one.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
What do they do?

Speaker 3 (50:44):
They kick an eighteen yard field goal two minutes ago
in the first half down, seventeen, fourth and three, what
do they do? They punt the ball into the end
zone for a touchback. Cowardly dip Blank's.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
That's what he wrote.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
What he says, and he says if he had a
charming personality that like the players liked, he'd under like
he could have get behind that.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
But he's also kind of a zero there.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
He said, he was like, give me Steve Mariucci, at
least that people just like, you know, at least like
a like one.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Yeah, I'm sure Bengalsons would be cool of mooch on this.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Well, I think he meant back.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I think he's saying back in the day, he's saying like, Okay,
maybe you don't have like you're not the x'es and
o's guy, but at least being the guy everyone connect
Because if I.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Fear to say, like give me three you know, foundational
anchors of the Zach personality, I could come up with that.
I mean, you went to the super Bowl, that's all
I know about you.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
And on the other side, you got a guy in
Rabel who you lose one week twenty seven three and
the next week you come back win twenty seven three.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
That's kind of a Rabel type of team.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
They lost nine of their last ten and you still
believed in them.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
When you have success like the Bengals have had the
last two years, and Cincinnati fans have gotten a taste
of that, this has been a very hard crash back
to earth.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Expectations are hard. That's why I think the staying at
the top is so hard.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
The rain Maker knows a little bit about that. What
do you mean, well, after what happened?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
I mean, oh, one, you know, it's one game, but
not to the people that you know how to.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Hey, if they're.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Following my picks on game debut, they're riding to the
top and.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Firty place there. I don't know. If you get Kyle
Shanahan on this sideline, tends to thing.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
A lot of people out there are very focused on you.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Guys just said people are losing their house. Well, that's true,
you're gonna get there. You know, anyone that knows you
got a.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Probably the ghosting on your rain Maker predictions.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I'm I didn't say anything about a house. I mentioned
little buck tooth Susie Q. You know she'll stay that way.
Die alogue get them in visible line at least, you know, Uh, yes,
and you mentioned t Higgins suffered some type of rib
injury and potentially I saw I think Lorio say that
he is facing perhaps an absence of weeks.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yikes. Okay uh.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Speaking of yikes, the Cleveland Browns had to play without
Deshaan Watson, and they learned that that is difficult business.

Speaker 7 (52:58):
The shotgun three receives bunch to the right. Jackson takes
the snap, steps up, throws it complete. Andrews has out
of the ten five touch down Ravens and with five
fifty six left to play in Cleveland, the Hayes.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
In the barn. Ooh, six minutes to play. Sand Dusky drops.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
The Hayes in the barn for the Ravens, who go
to Cleveland and spank the Browns twenty eight to three, who,
as they said, played without Deshaun Watson, who was scratched.
He warmed up on the field before the game, but
shoulder injury kept him out of the game. They put
the rookie in, and the rookie and the offense, the
rookie being Dorian Thompson Robinson unable to move the ball.

(53:44):
Mark Sessler. This is a humbler for the Browns. I
imagine who you know. We came off a week of
talking about their defense and against a hated rival.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
A bit of a no show. It looks like in
your own building.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
This game was over a lot earlier than with six
minutes to go. It's the kind of loss where I
can understand that you've got Dorian Thompson Robinson in their
fifth round pick who looked absolutely and utterly lost against
a veteran Ravens defense.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
Cool, I get it.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
I didn't expect them to necessarily even have such chance
to compete. If he didn't look good, I hoped he would.
It was the opposite. You don't have Nick Chubb. Like
after halftime, they had ten yards rushing and they can't.
They just couldn't get anything going on that side of
the ball. Of the ball and the Baltimore Ravens. My
one thought was like, not unlike a jet situation if

(54:34):
you had a quarterback in there that needed a lot
of support and was going to struggle. You've got this
defense that we've been talking about for three plus weeks.
And the Ravens started a little bit slowly, and I thought,
this is Cleveland's doorway into a potential upset, and you
get Watson back and you keep going.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
You have a bye week next week. They got walked over.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
I mean, it was kind of bizarre to watch because
you did lose Adarius Smith for a bit, Miles Garrett
got banged up late, but in general, this was the
defense from these other weeks, led by Jim Schwartz. And
it was Mark Andrews rumbling for thirty six yards on
a catch, which at one point was their biggest play
kind of early on. But then Justice Hill gets going
with a fifteen yard run, a seven yard run, Melvin

(55:13):
Gordon gashes them for a twenty two yearard run. There
suddenly up with the Lamar Jackson touchdown fourteen to three,
and you sense the game was over because they were
getting hotter and hotter and walking through Cleveland's defense in
a way that it looked like the last twenty years.
And so I'm a little mystified because this is a
Ravens team missing all sorts of star players and supporting cast,

(55:34):
and they put it to Cleveland. And it isn't simply
on the quarterback. The defense didn't Altimore. It was without
two wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
They're starting left tackle, they're starting right tackle, went out
and Greggie the Lamarmie. This is another good one for
the Lamarmy now because he steps in with the team
on the road against a punishing defense under manned. He
scores four touchdowns, two on the ground, two through the air.
And that's what a superstar quarterback.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Does, just so efficient. Nineteen throws for one hundred and
eighty six yards, so in only four incompletions. You're playing
this defense that we've heard a lot about. I'm always
wary of teams that are mostly about the defense in
the year twenty twenty three, because I read this article once.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
It's always stuck with me.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
That by far the most predictive thing in terms of
who has a good defense, it's just the schedule you played,
like the correlation is so strong of just like, and
it's not everything. The Browns stomped bad offensive lines more
than other teams were stomping bad offensive lines. But still,
by far, the best correlation to the defensive rankings are
who has played the worst offenses, who's played the easiest schedule?

(56:43):
And now they played a professional offense one missing a
lot of players, like five starters on offense alone and
four or five on defense. It was crazy how many cornerbacks,
two of their their starting pass rushers. The Ravens were missing,
and you have to give them a lot of credit
because I think that's what twenty twenty three is about.
Two is like who can win when you're missing so

(57:04):
many players because it just seems like injuries are destroying
half the teams in the league, and the Browns, for instance,
at least in terms of their running game, just haven't
been able to like survive that injury.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Well, they weren't like they weren't built to be just
around defense either. They're in that situation now because you
lost maybe the running back in this league game is
I guess what I'm thinking, But they were sitting ducks
in this I mean, you talk about like teams you're
playing in offenses, you're playing like the Ravens walked into
a great situation today. So it's like we could go
and over and flate who they are because they've been
as inconsistent versus expectations on offense as Anyonoe.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Three first half touchdowns and I know they got a
couple extra possessions, so maybe that is the difference.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
But three on.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Nine, like nine drives under ten yards, It just and
they looked like it, and there were massive turnovers, and
you know dtr is like lost on the field out
there and like whipping like they were having them throw
these crazy deep passes. And then you got like who's
helping them? You got Elije more like doing this one
play that I think is the worst play I've seen
all season where he takes an end around and instead

(58:05):
of realizing it's a loss, like continues to figure eight
backwards and takes a twenty yard loss. And it's like,
that's not how you help a fifth round rookie quarterback
that found out minutes before the game he was going
to start.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Is it weird that?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
So the Browns they had at last drive obviously where
it didn't mean anything. They picked up fifty three yards
the eight one hundred and thirteen yards going into that
last drive. It's just me or we're seeing this every
week with multiple Like there's just like a lot of
offenses that are totally no showing throughout the league. Maybe
it's maybe it's just how I feel it rather than reality.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
I mean, you're feeling it a lot with your offense, right,
But but I would say in general, every week, cover
three of these two or three of these early games
in the late ones, like how many haves and we're
like a veteran that you trust it has like forty
seven yards pass or.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Like yeah, a team xas ninety eight yards heading into
their final possessions just like.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Hmm, it's woodshad uh woodhead sign week talking about woods
shed Week, bomb drops, Sunday.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
Four four, Part four, all fourth week. All of that happened.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
They've been happening on a weekly basis. If you look
all of.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
That happened and you know, yes, the Ravens have quietly
had one of the best first quarters in the NFL,
not just because they're three and one, okay, but because
they get this division win. Here, what are they in
the Have they won a couple of division games?

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Haven't they?

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (59:22):
Because they beat the Bengals, So they're there's two and
now in the division. The Bengals are a mess. The
Browns will see the Steelers are a mess. It's been
a nice you know that division looked nice going into
the Suitabul start.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yes, I mean other than the the injuries, which obviously
to the running back position and the wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
Here's the thing they're getting most of those guys back.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yes, we'll not be fun.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
No not JK.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Dobbins.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
And we'll see where Miles Garrett is at Mark. He
had a boot on after this game.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
He took a he wrapped up lamar on a play
and I was surprised they showed the replay more than
once because I was like, Oh, I think Lyles Garrett's
out for the year and like and he's walking around
because a foot injury apparently. But I'm with you, Greg,
like I think that you the Ravens are still a
team in progress. But the other three teams have like
glowing red flags right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Now, also also glowing No, that's terrible. Did Ginger man?
Uh No?

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
David and Jok who set his face on fire with
a fire pit this weekend, which is wild because I've
done things like that in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
When you got that, you got the shut up, Greg.
We're not taking it out of the show, Greg and
a panic trying to get.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Our not I'm just I'm just reacting, honestly in the
moment where I've never said we would.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Here's the thing. You turn that propane tank on and
you're using the starter. The starter never works. So I'll
tell you what I juke. I probably did went to
get the the lighter thing, yeah, the little handle thing
yet but meanwhile the propane gas has been rumbling sure
for you know, Greg get upwards of sixty seconds perhaps,
and then when it finally lights, it's it's like Oppenheimer.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Well he owned it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
I love that he showed up to the stadium with
a mask on and he ends up leading the team
with six catches in forty six yards.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
So you know I left that and showed up Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
He's I mean I it was a gutsy performance, all
things considered.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I've always liked that in Joco. I don't know why.
So get well soon, son? All right, here we go, son?
What uh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Let us move on two London? Shall we go to London.
Let's get on the plane and go to London.

Speaker 15 (01:01:33):
Falcon on the move here how gear the running back
straight drop netball.

Speaker 9 (01:01:37):
Can pick off day quiet fifty forty five forty there's
along the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Touch taxon pick.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Six for Darius.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Williams, God Save the King remix.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Key Change? Is this the song?

Speaker 7 (01:02:06):
Remix Queen?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I don't think we have the rights? Is this the song?

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
I didn't think so, but I but it's British Yeah, No,
it's not about is.

Speaker 8 (01:02:16):
This this is what I've been using for our London stuff?

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
But which is that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
But now we're getting know Yes, yeah, we're just a
bunch of dumb American We don't know the long version.

Speaker 7 (01:02:30):
We don't claim to know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
You know what, how about this England little radio edit
from the National Anthem.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Then we'll see you in a couple of weeks and
we'll talk about it personal. Frank Franzie with the call.
Who Darius Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
With the pick six one of several bad throws from
Desmond Ritter who struggles continued as the Jaguars cruise to
a twenty three to seven win in their adopted hometown
secondary hometown of London, England.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
So that game is at Wembley's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Dating will be at the Hot tadi in a couple
of weeks and we can't wait. Calvin Ridley also had
a touchdown in this game and his I guess quasi
revenge game against the Falcons and Greg, we'll start with
the Jaguars here, kind of a tough team to figure
out this season. I'm not watching this game and my
takeaway is, Wow, Jacksonville is they're a team that really

(01:03:24):
takes seriously in the AFC right now, But they took
care of business here against offense in Atlanta that just
doesn't have it together right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
No, it was a survive in advance game that started
off really promising for the Jaguars, and I like that
about it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
The first three drives.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
They were ahead one hundred and forty six to eleven
yards after the first three drives, and then you started
to see the Jags offense that we've seen the rest
of the year, which is really stuck in mud and
jet and Lawrence getting rid of the ball too quickly
because they don't really trust the offensive line. His average
up of target is at the very bottom of the league,
but he's been playing well. They really made an effort

(01:04:02):
to de emphasize Calvin Ridley and to emphasize Christian Kirk
and Evan Ingram. Twenty targets for those two early and
often only two for Ridley. They got the touchdown on
a busted coverage and Ridley was wide open for that touchdown.
They had almost no big plays other than that, and
so I'm still a little concerned about their offense. But
in terms of a survive in advance moment, I do

(01:04:23):
think their defense has looked better than I expected this season. Overall,
it's definitely a good run defense. And if you're a
good run defense, the Falcons don't have anything to do
because they can't do anything. And even Bijon got off,
I mean, b Seon, why did he go for one
hundred and thirty seven yards with scrimmage?

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
And even then it's like the Falcons couldn't do anything.

Speaker 7 (01:04:40):
A lot of that came too late.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I mean, like I closely watched the beginning of this
game and started to lose hope with each drive. They
have a nine yard three and out the Falcons, they
have a one yard three and out, They have a
six play drive that goes six yards. The terrible pick
six rider comes back from that, like who are you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Does next play?

Speaker 7 (01:04:59):
Next play? Another pick?

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
And it's like, we don't need to focus on the
on the ground game entirely if you're a defense, if
this team is going to just completely implode while Jacksonville,
because I like, kind of I'm not that impressed with
Jacksonville's offense this year compared to like what they were
towards down the stretch last year. I do think that
Lawrence is not the reason for that. Uh, but the
Falcons doing this are not going to beat anyone, and like,

(01:05:21):
like you know, I mean early on in the season,
watching what they could do on the ground, I kind
of thought, like the lack of like faith through.

Speaker 7 (01:05:30):
Ritter in the air.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
You can get by, you can beat up some teams
and do it in an old school way, and it's
like you can't hide them.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
You can't hide them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
It's worse than I ever imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
We mentioned so far with Pittsburgh's offense, like trying to
run a nineteen ninety one was it Pittsburgh New England,
New England's offense, Like that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
You can't really do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
You can't just say just give it to Bijon and
give it to Algier and then defense gets stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
You can't hide a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
And I think Arthur Smith is I think he knows it,
but he's doing that thing that head coaches do where
everyone else knows it, and he probably knows it too,
but the words he's choosing to use with the media
make you feel like he doesn't know it. And even
if he does know it, it's not like a good
look because he's letting people think that he doesn't know it.

(01:06:21):
Let's listen to Arthur Smith on his thoughts on the
offense and whether he has the right players in place
to succeed.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
They're asking about the quarterback.

Speaker 18 (01:06:28):
Everybody's gonna be frustrated after a loss. But when you
have the right guys in the right mindset that I understand, like, hey,
let's not let them get early momentum. You know, make
the play on the sack, don't let a bus the coverage.
You know, gotta leak out uncover. You know, those are
things that you look at in reality. I mean, I think,
if you've got the wrong guys, it's easy to splinter

(01:06:52):
and ride the roller coaster.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
But we got the right guys in there.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
And he sounds defeated to me in that situation. But
you have Taylor Heinekey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Well that's the thing. And this is the other thing
he did that got it. Because I have not been
an Arthur Smith fan this year either. I just don't
like the way this offense is being run. And at halftime,
you know, he comes out and does you know, talks
to CBS or wherever the game was played. Who was
were they on ESPN? No, ESPN plus, ESPN plus and
he makes a point, we're not even thinking about making

(01:07:22):
a change, And Greg, I saw your tweet and I
agreed with it one hundred percent. That was a perfect
Taylor Heinekey spot to go in there see if he
can get hot and go steal a game because Jacksonville
was kind of asking to give it away.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
It felt like right, And to Ritter's credit, he played
better for a minute coming out a halftime. They had
the touchdown Drave right out a halftime, and then they
drove down the field, but then the inconsistencies popped up
and it's like he doesn't want to hurt Ridder's confidence,
but Ridder's play is hurting Ridder's confidence. Ritter throwing up
a moon ball to open maccollins that could have been
in a third interception. He really could have had two more,

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and then going over to the sideline and trying to
high five maccollins for some reason, and Matt Collins like
stands up in his face.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
Is like the camera cut away.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
I wish they had seen the rest of that interaction
because it's like the players know he is not playing confident.
The one thing he did last year was avoid big mistakes.
And this year it's all big mistakes, but with no
playmaking to make up for it, their defense has been better.
Bijon has been as advertised, he was electric in this game.
Made a lot of great plays throughout, but it's like

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a running back's only gott to do so much.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Josh Allen for the Jaguars was massive in this I mean,
I feel like he's a player that sort of comes
and goes, but he completely destroyed Atlanta's offense. And I
don't know, I don't know what you do. What do
you say to your fan base, but especially to your
own locker room. We're seeing this happen with a couple
teams where it's like the quarterback decision making process to
get you to the point where this guy's starting for

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you creates a total fractured locker room. Falcons players seem
to be frustrated and you clearly have a guy. We
don't think Taylor Huneck's perfect, but he's a bit of
an adventure and when it gets going, like there's a
lot to like and it's like this is like, I
think I agree with Arthur Smith. The one thing, there
are a lot of the right people here. This is
a pretty interesting roster, but the most important piece is

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failing you in life.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
That's that's why I didn't love the quote because everyone
knows there's a lot of gun I totally agree, and
it's like, I know you're trying to hide from what
the big situation here is. But he's got to be
careful because if he if he gets stays, it's like
in Vegas, like you made a bad bet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Potentially here I think it's a bad bet with Ridder.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
If you stay with this bad bet and you double down,
you're gonna get cleaned out and guess.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
What, You're gonna lose your job. Well, he's just get
you wouldn't realize reality with Ridder.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
And I know it's still only week four, but there's
so much evidence here that this guy is not the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Or Yeah, he's just thinking when is the right time
to do this? He didn't think it was halftime. Hearing
the way his voice sounded yeah, actually made me think like, oh,
maybe maybe it would happen to like, because who knows
Ridder is capable. I think of playing better at some
point than this. Maybe it's after getting benched for Heineke
for a little while. You are two and two in

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a bad division, So I get it. It's still early,
but it's getting it just it's just everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Can see it, all right, let's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
We got to mention at least shout out to the
Toy Story broadcast, who made my son Walker as happy
as I think I've ever seen him watching anything.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
He could not have really loved it more.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
I think kids love watching video games in general, like
they just like watching two different people play Madden, and
so I think this was kind of like that, except
it was like an actual game that was going on.
And I know there were some some little airs like
the first touchdown they dropped it on the Toy Story
broadcast or whatever, but the announcer said that he caught it.

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But I was sort of blown away in the little
that I watched it, and more importantly, like he was
like a kid on Christmas. And I was texted with
a couple other parents that enjoyed it as well, so like,
why not try it?

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
It's fun?

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
So I watched that really closely. It was not for adults,
well no, So my thing is if if I'm hearing
the children are enjoying it, like okay, case closed. There
were some technical difficulties but that it was the trial
run essentially with it. There was a moment that I
thought was interesting. They had like this claw that was
basically dropping the football down. Yeah, like in spots. Yeah,
they grabbed, Like at one point they grabbed a player

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and like yanked him away.

Speaker 7 (01:11:17):
There was some hanky stuff going on.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
I think there's a great drinking game attached to this
because they mentioned Andy's room like four or five times
in the first room that they kept like making it
clear for people walking by, We're in Andy's room playing
this game in his room.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
The kid from toy story that was the stand.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
Yeah, yeah, and so like they I think they said
Andy's room by the time I left to come here
in the third mid third quarter, about one hundred and
seventy five times.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Well, yes, I kept seeing I saw one tweet that
was like, why are they explaining how to get first
down to me? Like, I'm a six year old. It's
for six year olds. Stop watching the adults either don't
lose the game.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
By the way, I learned the game as well from
the game. Yeah, I think that's also people counterpoint. Kids
have terrible taste. I mean, have you ever watched Blippy?
That guy's a terrorist.

Speaker 7 (01:12:05):
It's a strong counter heard this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
I have you ever watched like Mike my son Jack
when he was little, We just watch garbage trucks like
doing their round. Oh we had that too, like for
an hour. Yeah, it's terrible programming.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
And so they're gonna kids are gonna say, I like this,
but it doesn't mean it's any good. I like Connor
Orr wrote a hit piece for a s I he did.
I love where.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Connor war his heads at right now as a as
a writer and as a as a journalist, because he
picks and chooses his hot takes and they come in
blue Flame, Blue Flame. He came after a big Pixar
and you gotta it's commendable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
You may not agree with him, I definitely don't. One
of his worst takes like who is it hurting? It's like,
what could what is the downside to any of this?
It's just like a second screen on an ESPN Plus game.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Well it was a bit of a tougher game to
find it's on ESPN Plus that not every single person piece.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Or that's the whole point.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
But that's why I think some people were complaining like
they have.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
But if you have ESPN plus you have that game
if you can watch the regular game, watch the game.

Speaker 5 (01:13:10):
If you have it.

Speaker 7 (01:13:11):
Yeah, like not Everyone's but toy.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
Story is not available unless you have that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
It is a sick, cruel world. When Blippy is a millionaire.

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
I don't even know. I've never heard of Blippy and
I gotta I'm so happy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Well from another angle, Creating insanely bizarre content for children
that will get them obsessed and addicted as an adult
is a smart move.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
A twisted, twisted myth of a man. All right, let's uh,
by the way, the Jaguar stay in London. They'll be
playing at the Hot Toddy against the Bills next week.
Let's head to the Big Bowl bottom now.

Speaker 11 (01:13:42):
Now the forty nine ers up twenty one to sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Look for a two score lead. McCaffrey's already got three touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
They put him into a pistol behind Perty. This guy
he's always right, three or left.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
They're giving a McCaffrey off the left side.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
One, two, three, four touchdown.

Speaker 12 (01:14:03):
See see that vision again, Pop, I'm telling you because
they had a defender in the backfield and cmc puts
his right foot in the ground and just pop.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
To the edge.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
My goodness, Christian McCaffrey, I know they haven't won in
a while, the Niners, the big one.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Well, I am hot, damn.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I'm envious of that fan base because it feels like
there's a lot of fun to root for this team,
who once again, like when we did the Thursday night
recap mark.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
With their Giants game, it's like they don't even.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
Really need to step on the accelerator to take care
of business against a lot of these teams in the league,
just like they did on Sunday thirty five, sixteen over
the Cardinals, who did their best to hang around in
this game, but ultimately it really was no contest. Brock
Purty twenty of twenty one with a touchdown passing and
a rushing TD and yes, Christian McCaffrey, who you may

(01:14:58):
have passed on on and your fantasy Drea, I think
I did maybe twice, had four touchdowns in this game
and is really in peak form.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Mark the Niners. They're in control right now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
They It just it looks so easy, And I know
that's sort of a staple of the Shanahan offense from
like the quarterback angle, that you've got these guys running
wide open they're perfectly put together on offense from a
skill position angle, we know that, but you have players
playing at the very best because I think to your
point about the fantasy Christian McCaffrey thing is like when

(01:15:34):
he's there, he's available, he's great, and he's there for
five games and then he's gone for it's like you
know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
He's stayed healthy with them. They use them all over
the place.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
It's the four touchdowns, it's twenty seven touches for one
hundred and seventy seven yards. He's scored in thirteen straight
games for them, which snapped a.

Speaker 7 (01:15:50):
Jerry Rice record.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
You've got Brandon Au getting better and better and better
every week, like Deebo Samuel.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
He's a little banged up superstar. Some people are saying,
heading I think he has a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
Well, I'd get on that train because I think the
chance is occurring right now. I mean his one hundred
and forty eight yards off six catches are like, I mean,
it's just like he can do everything. He's such an
incredible receiver, so strong and like also it's Brock Party making.
I think we look at Brock Party sometimes you're like, well,
he's accurate, but is he special? Does he have special

(01:16:22):
arm talent? Like he made some really special throws in
this game, really accurate and like I he opened thirteen
for thirteen, which which makes sense if you go twenty
for twenty one, but that also snapped like to a
game in the game consecutive completion streak that Steve Young said.
It's like these old heroes are being vested in a
more modern day offense and type situation by this star

(01:16:45):
riddled offense. And it's like the Cardinals, honestly, like mate,
that four touchdowns in the fourth touchdown by McCaffrey mattered
because the score looks not as close as it was
for part of this It was another performance for the Cardinals.
Kind of Cardinals, and they're well coached and like you
got these guys wondering why are they still hanging around
in this game. Michael Wilson their rookie. I thought he

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looks great. He's third, third round out of Stamford, Like
he's someone they have Josh Dobbs for the fact that
he's not the future, there probably is like a top
two or three backup for the next as many amount
of years. With the way he's played over the last
couple of weeks, so they kind of gave him a
test on defense a little bit. But the Niners offense,
like at every turn, keep breaking you, and it keeps
happening with different people each time. And you've got a

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quarterback that's come out of nowhere half a season ago
and looks incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
I mean, they only got to five third downs to
forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
That's just so easy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
They had thirty first downs, and the Cardinals offense, to
your point, Gate gave him everything they could handle. It's
twenty one to sixteen. Going to the fourth. Part of
the reason it's close, it is because these were long
drives that the Cardinals are going on. Like their average
per play was pretty solid. They could run the ball
like their offense is risky. But that's why the forty
nine ers have been the best team so far is

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one of their sides can dominate in a given week
or in a given quarter. Any player on either side
could dominate. It doesn't need to be the same side
every time. Brock Purdy I think played poorly against the Giants.
Definitely not well like I would say that was a
he got away with some throat It was like a
c game and they walked away with it. But then
he could come out and play an a game and

(01:18:20):
the offense walks away with it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Yeah, and I think this tells the story, and we
talked about it. I think we use the analogy to
swingers about the bear that has these claws in the
teeth and he doesn't always knowing to use him or
he doesn't need to use him. But then when they
decide the bear decides to use the claws, bad things
happen to the bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Once the and credit to the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Eleven plays ninety nine ninety nine yards, Josh Dobbs leads them,
and all of a sudden, it's twenty one to sixteen,
as we said, and the Niners don't panic.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
They get the ball back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
They go eight for seventy five boom, touchdown twenty eight
to sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Then they force a punt.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Then they go back down the field fourteen for seventy
seven boom, and it's thirty five sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Good night, nurse.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
So it's kind of like if you if you decide
to bow up and challenge them, good for you, and
it shows that you're a team of the backbone. But
when they decide to get serious against these middle tier
teams in below, it's just no contest. And that's one
of the signs of a truly great team. And I
cannot wait to see them against another in my opinion,
great team Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Now I'm with you because it's like to your point
of like, yeah, they were challenged score wise at one
point in this, but their drive chart and these are
long drives. The Niners touchdown touchdown, touchdown a one play
end of half situation. They're only punt then touchdown, touchdown.
Game over that that does not happen that often. That
is a not a lot of drives. Essentially six six drives,

(01:19:42):
and you scored touchdowns on five of them. That is outrageous.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
And oh, by the way, like Deeba Samuel, you know,
barely did anything because he's playing hurt. It's like you
get a one catch kittle game and you still put
up five touchdowns and six drives.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Easy, easy, easy, Let's take a break and then finish
it out.

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Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Charges did battle with that Raiders and now a first
in goal.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
O'Connell on a fourth and ten complete said, what a
game going? Do is right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Throwing do his right?

Speaker 17 (01:20:49):
Intercepto a Sunday Samuel intercepts it, it slides down.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
He might have been able to take that.

Speaker 7 (01:21:02):
To the house and third change, but we'll take the interception.
We'll take interception.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
But he could have kept going absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
It's it's a bit of a unusual tactic to be
a cornerback who says, now I'm good on the one
hundred yard pick six, even though it actually would have
been helpful of the team, not even strategic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
I think he thought the game. I think he thought
there was like thirty seconds left. It just felt like
that it was two thirty with the you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Know who's going to be really annoyed with himself tonight.
That's Sante Samuel, Yeah, because that's what you live for.
But you know what, he still did make the key
play in the game, and that was the great Matt
money Smith on the call.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Then some other guy chimed in unnecessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
As the Chargers get three touchdowns from Justin Herbert and yes,
that huge interception and a beautiful Herbert deep ball to
ice this thing, because they did need to hit a
third and long after the Samuel will step out to
actually run out the clock. And they did, beating the
Raiders twenty four seventeen, a bizarre game in which you know,

(01:22:07):
only the Chargers like Khalil Mack had six sacks in
this game and like the end of the third court
one sack away from Derek Thomas and he still almost
lost the game.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
And that's what the Chargers do. And yet here we are, Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
What what what what?

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
I can't do it live anywhere. I don't want to
hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
On the missing Mike Williams, Austin Eckler, Derwin, James am
I missing somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
These are Joey Bosa, Joey other arm buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
And I know Aidan O'Connell's playing in this game, not
Jimmy Garoppolo, but a good win for the Chargers, who
are finding away two weeks in a row after finding
a way to give it away in their first two weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
Yeah, take care of business.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Game that you make interesting despite having a twenty four
to seven halftime lead, because you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
Are the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
But I gotta give Staley credit, I guess, for just
sticking to his guns with the fourth down decision. Late
in the game, they decide to go for it on
fourth and one. I think it was on their own
thirty four, Dan was it with three point thirty to go,
and they're up by a touchdown. And it's not like

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last week where they're going against Kirk Cousins. They're going
against Aiden O'Connell and a first down doesn't quite win
the game, but it gets you pretty close to it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
And they go for fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Down and one again on their own thirty four, and
they set up Aiden O'Connell to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
Maybe it's Staley is playing chess.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Definitely not he's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Letting his defense, which has gotten all this grief, be
the heroes every week.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
Well, here's the thing, Like this is the QB sneak.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Justin Herbert threw an interception in this game and he
went to make a tackle and please don't do this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Star quarterbacks, just get out of the way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
And he gets I think, and we'll learn more about it,
but I think he gets his It's pretty gnarley.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
He gets his finger.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
I believed Eric Roberts, our producer, knows all about these
gnarley finger injuries, caught in the face mask or the
ear hole or something, and it does damage to his
non throwing hand, maybe his middle finger or his ring finger.
So to me, it was a crazy play call if
you're going to go for it there and you don't
have Austin Eckler and your franchise quarterback has a splint

(01:24:25):
and all sorts of like gauze around one of his fingers,
and he's at a shotgun to the point where you're
kneeling at the end of the game at a shotgun, like,
I don't know if I'm running a QB sneak there,
if I don't have something in my bag that doesn't
involve Justin Herbert with a gnarly mangled finger trying to
get a yard, I'm not calling that play. But This
is the beauty of the Brandon Staley experience, the madness

(01:24:48):
of it all.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Yeah, if you look back last year, I mean, there
were real questions if Herbert should have been in the
game after he banged up his ribs and all that business.
It's like they kept him in that situation too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Let's hear from Brandon Staley said Herbert was not coming
out of this game.

Speaker 20 (01:25:02):
Yeah, I mean, he wasn't coming out. It was one
of those things where he was going back in and
he has that look, I'm going back in, I'm good,
and you know, again just to show that toughness to
the team. We really talked about that going into this
game being a division game, and he surely showed it.
And when your franchise quarterback, you know, and bodies all that,
you know, everyone else jumps along.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
He said after the game, Herbert that it was just
it was but a flesh wound, little ref little uh,
little ref And then they were like, was it actually
just a flesh woman? He was like, no, that was
just using the quote.

Speaker 7 (01:25:32):
I mean, it was it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Well, it looked like it was like severe like maybe
severely jammed or we don't know at this point, but
like he had the splint on the finger initially, like
with what was like a mummy's hand and wrapped towels,
and then he came out like the next drive with
the splint hanging around like a glove.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
And that's like a weird You're like, hey, Donald Parham,
six foot seven tight end, can we borrow your glove?
Like he had this strange glove that wigh too much
end on it. Meanwhile, like, yeah, the Raiders starting eight
o O'Connell. At least they made the right decision there.
I would have been killing them if they had started
Brian Hoyer. Did we see anything out of mister O'Connell.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
No, he looked very much like a young quarterback. And
Josh McDaniels. I mean he had they have first and
goal in the before the Samuel interception and he forces
a ball that it's just a terrible pass where he
didn't read the defense the way he needed to in
a huge spot in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
He's not protecting the football.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
So you know that I would actually like to watch
kind of watch it again on game pass just to
see O'Connell's performance again. But I didn't come out of
it thinking and maybe this was Josh McDaniels wants to
see enough where he could roll with this kid and
start developing someone other than Garoppolo, but ultimately.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
He made too many mistakes for them to win a
game on the road.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
This is the second week in a row, and I'm trying.
I'm searching and trying to figure out beyond his coordinator
pedigree under Bill Belichick with the Patriots, what makes Josh
McDaniels special versus the opposite? It is special and what
we saw last week crazy decision. This time around he
does not challenge what would have been absolutely called a touchdown.

(01:27:09):
And it's like you lost this game by a touchdown
with the Devonte Adams singing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
Like why not, Well, they scored, they scored on that drive.
I know they did.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
I know they did, I know they did so but
here's the thing, Like, what is the process in that situation?
Like you have to go to the number one best
player on your team and say, you know you scored,
I'll challenge it. Why isn't someone up in the booth
saying absolutely challenges every one of us watching it knew
was a touchdown, and he doesn't take the time to
make the correct decision. They scored. But it's like another

(01:27:37):
example of like what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
And we also found out this weekend that Chandler Jones
is no longer with the Raiders, which.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Was I did not see that. I saw he got arrested.

Speaker 5 (01:27:48):
Yeah, like this is all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
A sad story and we don't know what it's going
to mean for the rest of his career. But yeah,
he was arrested after violating a domestic violence temporary protective
order and then later on Friday night, a little bit
of a news dump they cut him and just everything
that you've seen through social media and stuff, if you've

(01:28:12):
ever had someone around you that suffered like a mental breakdown,
which I don't know, it's consistent with that sort of behavior,
and it's just it's tough to see. But his career
is going to be changed, and they're going to go
after his money now. So they can say that they're
all praying for him, which is what they said in
their statement, but it's you know, lawyers are getting involved

(01:28:33):
now and they're going to try to take away his
money and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
It's a business, yeah, and that's sometimes it's an ugly business.
And yeah, I want to give a little credit before
we move on to the Raiders defense, because you held
Justin Herbert to one hundred and sixty seven yards passing.
He hit on the big throw twenty yard throw to
ice the game. But before that, the Chargers had at
less than one hundred yards of total offense in the

(01:28:56):
final two quarters of that game, which allowed the Raiders
to get back into it. And if not for the interception,
I think this is one of those games that was
going overtime and then who knows what happens, and yet
it did not.

Speaker 5 (01:29:07):
Four straight insane Chargers game down.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
It's like, I don't know, they just played a script
so much like all four of their games this season
have been totally bonked.

Speaker 7 (01:29:16):
Forty four straight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
I mean, they're entertaining as long as you're not a
Chargers fan, because that the anxiety of it all is
off the charts, all right. The Saints, uh, they were
supposed to play without Derek Carran on Sunday. Dark Carr
plays with a jacked up shoulder and it did not
go well for the QB or his team.

Speaker 15 (01:29:36):
Third down a goal from the five draw play draw play,
dropping Baker Mayfield looking to his left, now back to
his right, looking over the metal then.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
All that time, where's the pass rush the angel? It's
a diving right out the goal line.

Speaker 9 (01:29:48):
It's gonna be a touchdown, Tampa Bay touchdown TAMA and Devin.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Tompkins has the catch shot at the goal line. Love
it change with the call?

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
W f us Baker's back, baby Oh. Three touchdown passes
for the Bucks and despite yes, a surprise return for
Derek Carr, the Saints offense did nothing. In Alvin Kamara's
debut twenty six nine, the Bucks win on the road.

(01:30:19):
Mark Baker was back in this one good Baker twenty
five thirty two, two forty six. What I mean, how
does car And we know Carr is a tough dude,
but you gotta you gotta know when not to play.
Like did he look like a guy with a sprained
ac joint? Like how do you play with that and
be effective?

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Give him like a lot of credit for for going
out there, and it surprised me that he was just
like you and like, uh, the whole offense looked completely unhinged.
I mean, he he did look affected. It's not the
same way that I watched Burrow and feel that I'm
seeing the physical effect. It wasn't like he was win
seen in pain left and right. But to your point,

(01:30:59):
because we talked about this, were one of the weirdest
stats in this game is like Alvin McCarty, Alvin Kamara
had thirteen catches for thirty three yards. They had nothing
going on through the air.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Hit me with another rosie. Wow, Wow what what wait?
Say that sat again?

Speaker 7 (01:31:14):
Thirteen catches for thirty three yards.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
That's not no. You got this professional podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
You got to get the status, right, Mark, that's actually
had no like that, that is that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
And they like Chris alave he had one Chris Alavey
had one catch for four yards.

Speaker 7 (01:31:32):
I just it was. It was a terrible performance.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
I give a lot of the credit though, to the
Bucks defense, guys like Vitave with two sacks today, Shaq
Barrett shutting down the run, Antoine Winfield had a really
nice third down breakup. They kept ending drives card fifty
yards at half. This like we keep seeing this every week,
they're saying. And you get Baker Mayfield playing. I was
trying to think, like what game has he played?

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:31:54):
He looked better to me, and I can think of
maybe the playoff win over the Steelers with Cleve when
a couple of his early performances, like in twenty eighteen
when he was like no one knew that Rams game last,
there's that that was like, so he'll do this when
he's good. He's like seeing the field really well and
like that play right there, it's like he could have
forced to throw earlier. He had a lot of time
to throw in the replay that we came in with

(01:32:15):
and made a really spot on throw and I thought
that he used today and he's been doing this week
after week two big down, big third down conversions with
his legs.

Speaker 7 (01:32:24):
And then he had another one where he had a run.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
That basically set up a field goal that put them
up seventeen to six and kind of separated this game.
And that's when it started to end for them. And
I just think, like, you know, Mike Evans left and
the before that's before the third quarter with a hamstring injury.
You take out the one weapon that like he's really
like been in chemistry with and it didn't really seem
to change much. He just found new guys and I

(01:32:46):
don't know if this is a Baker you get. They're
alone atop the NFC South at three and one. I
don't know if I can take them for real, but
they outclassed the Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
It's a great sign. This morning I was feeling pretty dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
It's a great sign that Baker had his come down
to Earth game on Monday night and then it didn't spiral,
and then Baker disappeared for like.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
Right, And it wasn't a crazy bad right, it was
just it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Wasn't brutal by any stretch. And let's listen, we've seen
enough that that's coming. There will be times where he
does have uh funks, but maybe, just maybe he's in
the right division with the right schedule where there's gonna
be more good than bad this season.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Well, I thought all off season that the Saints were
trying to genetically engineer the roster to win this division,
like nine to eight, ten and seven, like have a
defense that can you know, be special enough against these offenses.
But maybe, But that's what I mean. The Bucks are
kind of taking that. And that's why I said at
the beginning of the show, I'm always wary of the
defense first teams, because Saints fans were convinced this defense

(01:33:43):
was special and in twenty twenty three, in the end,
like your defense probably isn't that special, Like it's solid,
It's gonna be solid, but it's not gonna be special enough.
It's gonna come down to your offense. And their offense
with Derek Carr looks a lot like their offense with
Andy Dawn. In fact, it's worse in a lot of
ways because of their offensive line. And I know Car's

(01:34:05):
injury was a big factor here. He had three point
four yards per attempt. They said it wasn't after the game,
but it probably probably was. But their offensive line has
been a mess all four weeks, and the passing game
has been disjointed all four weeks, like before cards injury too,
So I don't think you can just put it only
on the Car injury.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
All right, Let's head to the a pair of loser
goes home matches, starting with a showdown between the Vikings
and Panthers and Charlotte.

Speaker 15 (01:34:29):
Two receivers left, Adam Thielen the outside receiver now joined
by another, so three left and one to the right,
Bryce Young facing a blitzing Harrison Smith and the ball games.

Speaker 9 (01:34:40):
Adam picked up by d Jay Wanham lost touchdown. D
J Oneham's first national football League touchdown has tied the
game at bir Jane.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Best in the business, Paul Allen, KFA N Yeah, you know,
it's a bit of a cliche in the business, but
sometimes National Football.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
League just hits harder than the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
You're right, Harrison Smith had three sacks, including that sack
that's set up the scoop and score by DJ Wanham,
and the Vikings overcome a slow start to beat the
Panthers twenty one thirteen, their first win of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:35:26):
The Panthers, oh and fourth end.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
My goodness, Mark Sessler, you had previously on the Thursday
show locked up the Saints to take care of bag
right for about twelve minutes. Very wise, you pivot out
to the Vikings. I pivot out to the Vikings. The
West Brothers pivot in to the Vikings, and we all
go home happy. That's the big story of.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
This, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:35:49):
Your your lock would.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
Be I had a double run, I had a double win.
I had a double win. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35:54):
I mean, when you can lock up and owen three
team on the road, you've got to do it. And
that's what we did. And it looks really.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I locked up two three teams in a way and
got two dubs out of it. That's how history will
remember me.

Speaker 7 (01:36:04):
Yeah, it was shaky though.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
I was really concerned about for all of us early on,
Like you got this version of Kirk Cousins and there
have been a lot of turnovers. Kurt that whole offense
right out of the gate on the first drive, third
and goal, bad pass, Sam Franklin jumps, the route, goes
ninety nine yards for a pick six. Cousins had another
bad pick later that set up a big long field

(01:36:28):
goal before half for the Panthers. So it was like,
when is this Vikings offense? The reason I picked him
was was like, even in these losses, they've been productive
and Justin Jefferson had a big game today, but it
took them a while to get out of it. But
the Harrison Smith thing, and I'm glad that he was
like on that replay because Harrison Smith showed me a
lot about Bryce Young, who I think is struggling to

(01:36:50):
see the field. He's behind a bad offensive line, but
in two of his three sacks he came out of
nowhere with a certain type of speed that I think
at the college level, Bryce Young escapes and makes a
play and not here not here, And it's just like,
I like, we've talked about two other rookie quarterbacks that
are vying for offensive Rookie of the Year, and I

(01:37:10):
don't love what's around Bryce Young right now.

Speaker 7 (01:37:13):
He'll make a play here and.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
There, but it's just like we're four weeks in and
I'm not really seeing it.

Speaker 7 (01:37:18):
I'm just not really seeing it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
Like their offense, they got a good performance by a
defense that basically set up ten points for them, and
that's a lot for like a defense that's pretty banged up,
and Bryce Young and the offense could do nothing with it.
There was a really big chance in this game. With
seven twenty to go in the fourth quarter, They're down
twenty one to thirteen the Panthers and Bryce Young had
a chance to drive them and make a couple of

(01:37:41):
plays here and there. But he and by the way,
he was sixteen for sixteen in the second half, And
when that stat popped up, I was like, wait, what,
it doesn't look like it to me at all.

Speaker 7 (01:37:50):
It just didn't look like it to me at all. Why.

Speaker 1 (01:37:53):
I guess there was just a lot of checkdowns.

Speaker 7 (01:37:55):
Yeah, it's just not big, big throw.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Because they also went punt catastrophic fumble being out negative
nine and then punt.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
They ate one hundred and twenty one yards after it.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
But Harrison Ford, Harrison Ford, Harrison Smith was a huge
reason for that in the past rush of the Vikings
in general, which under Brian Flores, I know, they were
the worst defense in the league last year. There's certainly
just responding to his teaching and who he is, and
they made tight like life really tough for Bryce Shung.
I'm be a little concerned about the journey of the
rookie season at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
And I think Greg you made the point earlier, like, yes,
progress for the defense, but again, the opponent really helps
make defenses look better as well, and Carolina just doesn't
seem like it's happening right now. Frank Reich had a
kind of a said postgame press conference where he said,
you know, I know we're the team with the first round,
first overall pick, but we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
We don't view ourselves as this like big project.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
We want to have results now, and yet they're zero
and four and obviously they're deep into a rebuild now.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
Well, he's sick of taking else.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
I mean, there's been a lot he lost a bunch
of straight games before getting fired in Indianapolis, and now
four straight here and I think you heard on the
Paul Allen call. That was the sound of an announcer
who's also a big Vikings fan who wants this team
to be relevant, feeling like, oh, that is a season
saving play. Maybe by want them because their offense isn't

(01:39:16):
getting anything done. Their defense scored a touch on Now
our defense answered, and it would have been lights out
for the Vikings at zero to four. And who knows
what happens from here, but at least he got a
little wife at one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
All right, let's head to the other loser goes home.
Match thirty one to twenty eight.

Speaker 16 (01:39:33):
Denver third and thirteen bearers from Chicago forty seven, thirty
eight seconds to go, no timeouts, three to the left,
single receiver right fields, tries to draw the Broncos off side.
They bring the house, feels in the pocket, throws a
ball that is.

Speaker 9 (01:39:46):
In complete out of dennerceptic intercept Kareem Jackson, and this.

Speaker 16 (01:39:51):
One is gonna be the Broncos first win of the year.
Denver only has two interceptions in four games.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Kareem has both.

Speaker 16 (01:39:59):
Of them, but this one is huge because it is
sealed the Broncos first victory of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
That's Dave Logan on the call for ko A.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Justin Fields started out incredibly on Sunday with one of
the best first halfs you'll see really ever, in dominating
getting the Bears out to a huge lead over the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
But to Denver's credit, they came.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Roaring back in the second half, outscoring Chicago twenty four
to seven, and they steal it thirty one to twenty
eight at a soldier field that sounded like a tomb there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Well, they were frothily booing the hell out of Matt
Iberflus for some fourth down decisions, and then certainly as
the game ended, the shot of Fields just staring blankly
on the bench while the Booze were just cascading down
was tough to take because, ouch it, it was such
a bad luck game for him. He played so well.

(01:40:59):
It wasn't a perfect first half, it was a perfect
three quarters. At the end of three quarters, he was
twenty three for twenty four for two hundred and eighty
five yards in four touchdowns. That one incompletion was a
hail Mary attempt. And I know, and I know people
will say, well, it is the Broncos. The Broncos are disasters,

(01:41:21):
and I get it, but there were some absolute dimes
in this game by him against the Blitz under pressure.
There was him going through Reids and getting the ball
out on time.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
He really was really impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
And then the Bears defense shows up and I put
this a little more on eber flos to the defense.
It's twenty eight to seven at that point, they gave
up a long touchdown drive. The Bears finally don't have
a good drive. They go three and now, but you
know it happens. They give up another long touchdown drive.
Then then Fields has it. You want to settle the
game down and this is where your heart started to

(01:41:57):
break for him. His next two possessions were he holds
onto the ball too long, kind of a classic Fields thing.
Jonathan Cooper, his friend who was going to exchange jerseys
with after the audume I think they were roommates, sack fumble,
they return it thirty five yards to tie. Cooper returns
it and then it's like, okay, man, everything's on you

(01:42:17):
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:42:19):
He goes, you know, can you answer it?

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
You go on this long drive, you get all the
way down the field in scoring position to take the
lead in uber flues instead of kicking the field goal
to take the lead would have been I think about
a forty yard are pretty short forty two. Decides to
go for it on fourth down, Snotfield, who had a
great drive, He hands it off, they get stuffed, Broncos

(01:42:42):
tack on a field goal, and then on the final
drive for fields that it's that interception where Coolcomet said
after the game it was a miscommunication where they were
thinking one guy was going to run the route, and
it was just like, man, you feel for this dude
after such a great start to have a total disaster
of an ending.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
And credit the Broncos and Sean Payton.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
They're down twenty eight to seven late in the third
quarter and they are the laughing stock of the league
after a seventy to twenty last week. So there's obviously
some fight in that in that on that roster to
be able to do what they did here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
At greg game.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
And I don't know Russell Wilson did he did he
ball out here late in this game? How did they
manage to pull off a very unlikely comeback?

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
He played well, making short throws and Julia McLoughlin is
a player I don't I don't know what his sizes,
but yeah, he can move. Like he had seven catch
seven rushes for seventy two yards. I think they're afraid
of using him too much because he's so small. In
three catches for thirty two yards, there was a lot
of run after the catch, like, not many big plays.
Mims had his like weekly big play. But yeah, their

(01:43:44):
offense has been pretty efficient in general. Nothing that blows
your sock.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Wilson's box score is stellar.

Speaker 5 (01:43:49):
I mean, I look at good yea. I mean it's guy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Just look at his counting numbers this year. He's having
a good year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Yes, not exactly like he's not old Russ, but he's,
like we said on Thursday, not the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
If they had a good defense and their offense is
playing well enough to win. They lost Javonte Williams to
a hip injury in this game pretty early. That's partly
why McLoughlin h ended up playing so much. But the
way it ended it just did still feel like Bart's
were the story because you had eber Flu's answered questions
about Chase Claypool, who was a healthy scratch and he
was saying he was saying that that it was Claypool's

(01:44:25):
decision to stay home. He didn't show up for the game,
But then the team released a statement that was counter
to what Iberflu said that they actually told them to
stay home. And my read of the situation is they're
trying to trade him, and they're trying to not make
him look like a bad guy.

Speaker 5 (01:44:41):
But it's like too late.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
You're too many bear statements this year that go against
what guy it is.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
It's a weekly drama and they and he he's the
second player to publicly critique the coaching And like, I
guess my thing is, you've got this young general manager
that is here to rebuild the team. It's obviously a
just looking not going well right now. He picked Ebrafluse,
But in any other environment, I wouldn't be surprised that
like Eberflus was dismissed like tomorrow, like this has gone

(01:45:07):
about as poorly as possible.

Speaker 7 (01:45:08):
I don't know who you'd replay.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
I think he was a health of these guys because
he criticized the I don't but I don't mean no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
In the Claypool thing, it's like the fourth down decision today,
but overall the Eberflus experience that it's been terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Regan pointed out, well, they also just had a part
ways with their DC, So who is even the guy
that goes into that spot and you kind of need that.
It's not great. Yeah, none of it's great. All right, Okay,
one more game.

Speaker 9 (01:45:35):
McKinnon is the running back for the right of Mahomes
on third don and eight.

Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
Now they flare him out.

Speaker 7 (01:45:39):
They're gonna throw it.

Speaker 9 (01:45:40):
Here, McKinnon, Are Mahomes stepped up? He's at the ten
angle at the five. Mahomes goes down at the two,
slanting on his hip McKinnon style like Super Bowl fifty seven.
As Mahomes goes down at the two and should effect
in the game, gaining nine yards on third down and eight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
The call from Mitch Holds Chiefs radio, all right, I'm
gonna be professional here or do my best because that
should not have ever happened. Okay, because minutes earlier, third
and twenty, a generous holding call unsauced Gardner kept a

(01:46:25):
chief S drive alive that ended with Mahomes's slide there
for the first down that allowed the Chiefs to run
out the rest of the clock and edged the New
York Jets twenty three to twenty at the Meadowlands in
front of Taylor.

Speaker 1 (01:46:40):
Swift and the world.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
The Chiefs jumped out to a seventeen to nothing lead
after the first quarter. The Jets came roaring back behind
surprisingly sound play from Zach Wilson, but the Jets offense
petered out in the second half after an opening touchdown,
and the Chiefs made the big plays down the st
and yes, got some big calls as well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Yeah, that call was unfortunate because you wanted to see
Zach Wilson, who had played an up and down game,
but there were definitely ups. There were more ups than
we've seen out of him in a long time. You
wanted to see him down six get that chance in
a big spot. Their defense had been holding the fort
so well after it was seventeen nothing, but after they
do make that penalty, It's just like, how many times

(01:47:26):
am I going to see Patrick Mahomes win win a
game with his legs They showed I think he had
rushed for eleven first downs before those last two. That
was before he ran for the third and twenty three
twenty five yard play, And that's the one that's gonna
stick with me a little bit because it reminded you
so much of the Super Bowl. And he ends up
sliding down on that play where there was also a

(01:47:46):
penalty by the Jets to pick up twenty five yards,
and it's just like, if he doesn't kill you one way,
he's going to kill you another.

Speaker 5 (01:47:51):
Even on a night where he made some big miss.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
They referenced the Super Bowl and it's like, I go
back to the James Bradbury defensive call that was so
pivotal in that game last February, and mahomes on his
feet and just thought, the Jets defense, this is kind
of like everything you would have hoped for from the
Jets for five to six of the way when you

(01:48:13):
lost Aaron Rodgers, that Zach Wilson would start to become
this guy. And like there was one hopeful thing I
thought at the end of this that all his teammates
were coming up to him and they recognized the every
put it in that fumble that was like the one
little Zach Wilson asked thing that took away from a
really superb night and what could have just been like
these games come down to these one these little moments

(01:48:35):
and this should have had it just fel like it
should have.

Speaker 7 (01:48:37):
Been a completely different story.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
But you are dealing with the Chiefs, who in that
final quarter ate up seven minutes and twenty three seconds
on a field goal drive, and then seven minutes and
twenty four seconds to end the game on that final
flag ridden march, and it's like, that's what they do,
that's what they do in these games. And it's like
they made they made Mahomes uncomfortable. Early in this game,
he threw one of his worst interceptions, like Travis Kelsey,

(01:49:01):
vanished for thirty three minutes.

Speaker 7 (01:49:02):
It was all there until that holding call.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
So at the end of the game, in the final
seconds after the Mahomes slide, Robert Salah gets flagged for
unsportsmanlike conduct and then they run the rest of the clock.
And I kind of wish we could hear his press
conference right now, because I understand why he's so hot.
This has been an extremely, extremely heartbreaking season for everyone

(01:49:27):
associated with the Jets, with everything that happened with Rogers.
Even though Aaron Rodgers is in the building and he's
telling him what's the stark He plans to be back
this season, but you're one and three and one in
three is what it is, and you're in a lot
of trouble right now with some more tough games coming
up on your schedule after Denver next week. But the
reason he's so fired up and so upset, First of all, yes,

(01:49:48):
was there contact on that play the third and twenty
with Sauce. Yeah, there was some contact, but it was
both ways. It is definitely not a does not to
me rise to the level of taking the flag out
and make a game changing Oh oh, by the way,
the result of that play was an interception by Patrick Mahomes.
So not only do you wave off a third and
twenty and turn into a first down, you wave off

(01:50:09):
Patrick Mahomes' third interception that sets up the Jets with
the ball with I guess what about three minutes to
play down a.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Theory on that he threw the flag so late it
almost was like he saw it, he wasn't maybe gonna
call it. Then there's an interception and he's like, well,
I guess I better call it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Maybe that is listen, which actually find job.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say
that the Jets got booned because Patrick McK mahomes is
Patrick Mahomes and the refs have to watch out for Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Although I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:39):
Mean to say that that impacted the interception, which it
did on some level, but should they have called it,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
But yeah, the reason why Saul is probably gonna get
fined in his postgame presser on top of what happened
at the end is because he knows what it took
for this team to be down seventeen to nothing, to
fight back the way they did, to be kind of
kicked and spit on after everything that's gone down and
feel like you have a chance to save your season,
and it felt like it got ripped out of their hands. Now,

(01:51:07):
I'll say this as terrible as that ending was anti climactic,
and we know what Zach Wilson is and what he's not,
the chances that he goes down the field and wins
that game very slim. However, it would have been fun
to see what would have happened like that, and that's
what you kind of you lose in this game. But
the Jets had when the game got to twenty twenty,
after they get the touchdown and the two point conversion

(01:51:29):
on a great drive by Wilson where he made some
big throws and then a great scramble on the two
point conversion. They had the ball twice, once near midfield
after a I believe in Mahomes pick and did nothing
with it, and then again after a long breeze haul
run set them up in Chiefs territory twenty twenty. They
then go one, two, three and punt and that was

(01:51:51):
really it for their opportunities to win this game. So
it was there for them beyond what you might kind
of take out of this game, and they just weren't
ready to step up and grab it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
And that's frustrating as well.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
There are these like little moments like the Breese Hall run,
which to me looked like this is going to be
a touchdown run and changed this thing, And there was
a great tackle by Brian Cook, a plus tackle. I mean,
this is the kind of game where if the Jets
were at a different point in their season and had
a better record, you could be like, this is positive,
we can take a lot away from it, but it's like,
what else needs to happen to this organization in this

(01:52:23):
team this season? Like it was a backbreaking kind of
loss that like I wish I could see Zach Wilson
in a final drive because the way he threw the balls,
like Alan Lazarre tonight and others, like some of his throws,
we just haven't seen that from Zach Wilson on a
consistent basis. He played his best game and maybe it
would have been a different story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
It was good pass protection, I thought from the Jets,
and maybe that's why they were so tempted to go
so pass heavy, But the better running team won the ball.
When you were talking about Pajetco, I'm thinking the Chiefs
don't win this game without Pajetco, not just the long touchdown,
but the way he was breaking tackles, how he can
grind down defense is late in clock, like the Chiefs

(01:53:02):
haven't always had that, and they were absolutely the like tougher,
better running team. And when they had the ball the
Jets those two times to potentially go ahead, when the
defense is just flying at that point, they're getting stop
after stopt after stopping Mahomes, they went really passive. He
was basically pass every single down. Maybe one Dalvin Cook
run in there for a couple of yards, and that

(01:53:24):
that's a lot to put on Zach Wilson. To me,
it's like they need to have a running game and
a defense. Tonight they had a defense was good enough,
and you got it improved.

Speaker 5 (01:53:34):
Zach Wilson. I think he's slowly getting better. That gives
you a.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Little defensive line has been a lot better, right, I
got a run was better. The pass protection I thought
was excellent for much of this game, which you know,
the quarterback playing well when the pass protection better. There's
a correlation there. My last thoughts on this game that again,
extremely frustrating, because you find a way to steal this game,

(01:53:57):
and your season just feels totally different. And you got
Denver coming up and all of a sudden, maybe you're like, hmm, okay,
maybe we can hang around, and then the Rogers talk,
and it still feels something like there's something here. One
in three feels totally different. But I'm just like, as
a Jets fan, I'm I talked about it all week.
I felt really ominous vibes about this game, and I

(01:54:18):
thought it was going to be an utter humiliation for
the fan base, and I felt really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
I told my brother not to go to.

Speaker 5 (01:54:24):
The game, and it was seventeen nothing he didn't go
to the game.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
This is seventeen nothing in the first quarter, very quickly,
and the fact that they fought back made it a game,
had a lot of energy in that building. It's a
small victory for me, but just the fact that they
were not horrifically embarrassed in primetime and it wasn't just
this Taylor swift and the Jets suck.

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
Isn't that funny.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
I'll take a little bit of a w there, but
that's the only one I can take. I hate how
the game ended, and and that's it. I can't say much.

Speaker 7 (01:54:52):
The one thing I'd say, I don't need to say
much more.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
One little ray of hope is that this is like
a two year journey with Aaron Rodgers, this whole coming
back this season.

Speaker 7 (01:55:01):
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
But it's like it's important that this team stays together
and like doesn't completely sail away, and that the coaching
staff shows who they can be. And this game result
frustrating as can be, but it's kind of by like
Thursday or Friday. You can take some positives from it.
There is a lot there's a long way to go,
and like I see a team that is not given
up on their coach.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
I agree, well, we'll see what happens. A lot of
football left, a lot of season left.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Good stuff Today Sunday, Thank you to Eric and Randy
behind the Glass.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Thank you to you the listener.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Monday, we'll have our NFL Plus Game of the Week
and another podcast tomorrow night, Monday Night Football and news
catch up till then

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Heed the Call.

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