Mark Christian of the Global Faith Institute

Episode Transcript

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I haven't talked to this gentleman before, but I've been led to believe he's
got very interesting perspectives and an interestinghistory with this kind of thing. Doctor
Mark Christian joining us. He's fromGlobal Faith, and doctor Mark Christian,
thank you so much for being apart of our show today. Thank you
very much for having me and verynice meeting you. Yeah, saying I
don't know how can I get thatone thousand bucks? You know I can
use that. You can actually theywon't let me answer, but you can

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actually enter that privileges. Yeah,yeah, exactly. Well, yeah,
that's your privileges for sure. Ihave to. We got to start with
your background because if you go tothe Globalfaith dot org website, which has
all your information, and we canlearn a little bit more about Global Faith
in a second. But you arenot a Christian by I mean, your
last name is Christian, but ChristianChristianity was not your initial religion. You

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were from Egypt, you were aMuslim. What journey did you go on
to lead you to the place thatyou are right now? Well, Christianity
is my final answer to my life. And yes, I grew up Muslim
in Cairo, Egypt. And avery prominent Muslim family, grew up very
religious Muslim kid, and by thetime of college in medical school, I

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start digging into the history of Islamand theology and so forth, and get
disfranchised from the religion. And thenlived a few years as an agnostic or
Muslim by name only or whatever youcall it. I was a man without
religion, angry at God. Andthen a few years later, you know,
Jesus reaaled me in and start gettinginterested in Christianity and and getting started

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studying Christianity at depth and became aChristian. And then I started going into
my faith since then, and thisis my final answer to my life.
I wonder I always. I know, I've talked to multiple people who are
identify as Muslims, and they havea lot of things that they think the

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religion itself is misinterpreted or is misidentified. Now, these are American citizens.
I don't think these are people thatgrew up in a place like Egypt or
a place closer to kind of theepicenter. It doesn't really matter. And
you know, I'm proud American citizenas well, and you know, the
mis interpretation and so forth. Ithink there is a lot of confusion about,

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you know, differentiating between the ideologyand the human beings and those people
who are espousing some kind of agendasor not. So if we come to
what we are dealing with today oncollege campuses, for example, you will
see that on college campuses there isa very well organized movement that is going

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on since nineteen sixty three. Theyare a group of Muslims, or every
Muslim in America espousing the same idea, or actually in every Muslim in the
world spousing the same idea. Notreally, but this is a huge,
big topic. We are not goingto be able to tackle it in a
few minutes we have on radio.But you know, I would plug in
my book actually the Upper State,and you can find it on my website.

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You can see my journey from outof Islam to Christianity. And I
did not I shared my personal's story, but at the same time, I
was meant to make it a educationaltool because I myself a very analytic in
a way, and I did notleave Islam out of sensational views. As
a matter of fact, I wasbenefiting out of Islam and I was entrenched

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in the religion. Memorized the Quran, you know, practicing it with to
Mecca nine times, to for pilgrimageand so forth, even at a very
young age. So leaving Islam wasnot an easy decision. So I used
the book as a tool for peopleto understand the religion inside out. And
I think people will benefit a lotif they were able to grab that book
and understand the religion way better thanthe confusion that is going on. We're

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speaking with doctor Mark Christian. Heis from Global Faith. I see these
pictures, this footage from these collegecampuses. This has been bubbling for the
better part of six months while Israeland Hamas have been at war, and
fundamentally we can talk x'es and o'sor military tactics and what violence is creating

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maybe some of the backbone of whatsome of these people are protesting, But
at the end of the day,the heart of the matter is Palestine versus
Israel, Islam versus Judaism. Froma perspective of somebody who lived nearby geographically
where all of this is happening rightnow, how best can you describe what

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you see there as the way thatMuslims in israelis Muslims and Jews and how
their relationship is trying to coexist inthis region. I have to beg to
this agree. The problem is notsome of the things that you mentioned as
a matter of fact, to thecore of it, it is political Islam

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represented it mainly, and it isnot only represented it mainly in the Muslim
brotherhood versus Zionism, not Judaism,and there's a big differ diference between the
two. Zionism is a movement thatstarted in the end of the eighteenth century
and they meant to establish a stateof Israel in the Holy Land that they

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had since inception of humanity, andthe state of Israel existed there before time.
I bet everybody's listening me today rightnow on the radio can identify or
learned or heard about King Solomon,King David. King David is the founder
of the city of Jerusalem. Thisis way before Islam started, by fifteen
hundred years by actually in the fifteenhundred BC, So it's a long time

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before Islam even was incepted or evenstarted. So this is a fight between
Zionism and political Islam. Political Islamsays that since they were able to conquer
that land in six one hundred andthirty four, which is a long time
ago. Then they are right now, the right owner of the land,

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the Jewish people who are belong tothis land before even Islam started by years.
They are the one who says thisland is ours. Plus, in
addition to all of that, thewhole idea of free Palestine is based on
a false premise because there has neverbeen in history, in entire history of
humanity, that there has ever beena Palestinian state, never been So you

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cannot free something when it has neverexisted before. So you can free a
country that has been occupied, butthis land has never been occupied by the
Palestinians. I have a timeline onour website and also I put classes at
different churches and I can show youby every single year since you know inequity

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that there has never been a Palestinianstate. Ever. Where did these protests
on these college campuses come from?And how did from your perspective, did
this get organized? And I wouldlove to answer that, And actually I
want to plug in that we domeet at dj Dugout tonight at six point
thirty in one hundred and eighth andDodge a lot of people to join us

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over there, so we can continuethis conversation if they have the time,
have good meal together and just discussthe issues. This movement that is going
on in college campuses is a verywell coordinated movement. People are going to
be really dismissing the fact that thisis coinciding with real negotiations going on about

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the hostages and about the end ofthe war with Hamas. Today, the
Nited States put a plea to theHamas organization to free the hostages. While
the college campus is putting those pressures. Hamas did not respond to the United
States and actually make a mockery ofthe request, because this is putting another
yet another pressure on Israel and onthe world altogether to push for Hamas narrative

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and Hamas agenda. So if I'mgoing to tell you where this organization or
this movement started, I would goback into nineteen sixty three. Nineteen sixty
three, this is a long timeago. A group of Muslim students got
together and founded what is called theMuslim Student Association. This is an organization
started in the United States in Chicagoand in nineteen sixty three, and they

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have a very simple agenda. Theyare focused on three main things. Number
one, They are anti Zionists,as I mentioned earlier, they are anti
American, and they are also antiEvangelical Christians. And their focus was always
been tried to recruit and to builda coalition of such like minded students,
whether they are Muslims or from Jewishbackground, or from Christian background, or

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from American citizens or foreign nationals,whoever, on college campus. They're building
this coalition for all of those years, and their agenda has been to try
to influence college campuses and also influenceAmerican politics. They have succeeded. They
have been working very hard. Sotoday when you see there is Jewish kids
joining them into the protests, youunderstand that they were able to reach out

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to those students for a long timeago and build this kind of very well
scripted stuff. Okay, I wishpeople would know about the Muslims Association because
today they started in Illinois, buttoday they exist on six hundred and thirty
chapters all over the United States.One of the major chapters is at Harvard
University. They also have chapters onall college campuses even in our own state

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over here at o U and Land so forth. And they start actually
having chapters also on some of highschools across the country. So this is
so in summary, this is avery well organized movement. They have a
very well organized agenda, and theyknow exactly what they are doing, They
know exactly who they're targeting, theyknow exactly what they want to do,
and they are doing it exactly todayat the same time throughout college campuses in

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the United States because they want toinfluence the discussion that's happening in the Middle
East today about freeing the hostages,about formation of a Palestinian state, and
also about ending the war in Gaza. Altogether. The biggest problem of all
of that stuff is this, ifHamas succeeded in the formation of a Palestinian
state, this is going to bea disaster in the world altogether, because

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this means that terrorist organization like Hamaswas successful to create a Palestinian state.
So we're speaking with doctor Mark Christianwho is with Global Faith and you can
find more information at Globalfaith dot org. What would be the consequence of that
type of victory, the institution ofa Palestinian state. Let's say there's a

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compromise, the war is over,there's a Palaestinian state in Gaza. Israel
still exists in a very hostile butthey're still there. Their borders are still
there in the Middle East. Butwhat consequences could come and fall out if
that is eventually how this conflict ends, if a Palestinian state was formed.
You know, I am actually verysympathizing with the people in the region over

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there from the Arab background. Iwill call them Palestinians, but the Palestinian
is an invented term that was inventedafter a Kailo declaration in nineteen sixty five.
But I will call them as everybodyknow, a Palestinian. I think
I'm very sympathizing with them. Ithink they they need their dignity and respect
and they have their own life andfuture and so forth. A formation of

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a Palestinian state under this circumstances,especially after a terrorist attack of October seventh,
is going to be sending a signalto all of those who are radical
who are all over our terrorists topush their narrative and to say we succeeded
into formation of the Palestinian state.This means that you know what, join

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our our franchise of tourism, becausewe can succeed this is a horrible thing.
The consequences of formation of a Palestinianstate at this point in time is
wrong. But if really have ifthe future allows and Gaza Gazza people gather
together to form some kind of ofa government that is going to be peaceful
and trying to coexist with the Stateof Israel, that's a great thing to

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happen. But for a group ofgroup says that we inform a Palaestinian state
that it's main and meets aim toirradicate the State of Israel. I don't
think that this is a good neighboror this is a good start for a
nation. We are speaking with doctorMark Christian with Globalfaith dot org. We
could spend hours, like you said, kind of talking about the background you

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talk about the organization of these protests. Is there anything the American government can
do to because that's where you're basicallydemanding. Theoretically, these groups of these
college campuses are protesting and demanding thingsfrom our government about the transparency and about
doing business with Israeli companies or companiesthat do business with Israel, to boycott

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them or stop them. Is thereanything, though, that our American government
can do to quell these realistically quellthese protests. Are the protests themselves not
necessarily about getting anything from the government, but really to change the narrative.
I actually do think that the creditadministration of the United States is the end
of turning the other chikho when itcomes to these organizations, and the current
administration knows exactly that these organizations areviolating lot of things, even though they

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are taking advantage of a freedom ofspeech, which is I cherish a lot.
You know, I'm benefiting a lotfrom freedom of speech. I'm alive
today because of the freedoms that Ihave in the United States. Otherwise I
will be dead in any other country. So I'm respecting their freedom as much
as respect mine. Absolutely, ButI think they are doing things in violation
of our codes and our laws,and they are getting away with it.

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So if we are fair in thiscountry, we should treat them the same
way that we treat everybody else.You know, Christians cannot organize the same
way that they're organizing on college campuses. Even Jews cannot do the same thing
on college campuses. Anybody who's standingfor pro life even cannot do the same
thing on college campus. I'm askingfor a fair field. I'm asking for

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that. If they are violating ourlaws, then they should be punished for
it. I think we should testtheir five P one C three status as
well, and we can test alsotheir funding and where is it coming from.
They started by funding coming from SaudiArabia. I would love to know
and expose their fun. They arevery well elaborate in the way they do
their funding, So I think weshould have fair field in the United States,

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not to give you some kind ofa group of a political group for
a political agenda more lay than othergroups as well. That's what I was
hoping for. Absolutely, one moretime plug what you got going on tonight?
Actually I said six thirty, butwe are meeting at six o'clock six
pm today at dj out one hundredand eighth and Dodge. I would love

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people to join me so we cancontinue this discussion. I will actually put
more meat into the bones that Ijust laid and to tune into global faith.
We also have meetings that we putat church on Sunday's evening. I
would love people to come in aswell to talk about that tech on Christianity
that has been very well organized inAmerica as well. So there is a
lot of things that happening. AndI think the problem in America is today

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that there is groups that have anagenda that work hard for it, and
there's other who are ignorant and wecontinue whining about the outcome and get surprised
by something happening. We should notbe surprised by college campuses if we learn
that they have been at it sincenineteen sixty three. So how do you
know that you need to be informed? Tune ask, Tune to our globalfaith
dot org website. Come tonight ifyou have the time at dijdeg out and

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let's work together to use our freedomsso we can stand for our values as
well. Doctor Mark Christian with GlobalFaith. You can find out more globalfaith
dot org. Surth. This isfantastic, Thanks so much for coming in
and I can't wait to chat withyou again sometime. Thank you very much
for having me. We'll come backplenty more for you. Last half hour
of the show coming up on newsradio eleven tin kfab