Dave Asprey ON: Simple Steps to Reduce Your Biological Age by 12% & Ways to Manage Your Emotional Stress to Change Your Life

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If you can be triggered, it means you're walking around
with a loaded gun. Seventy percent of the emotional stress
that we feel on a daily basis comes from our
body being malnourished. Dave Asby New York Times best selling author.
He's the founder and CEO of Bulletproof Coffee. We've all
been shamed for being lazy. Talking about laziness, do you
only think worse is talking about death. We are living

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in a world today where you can measure as twenty
years younger than your calendar age. You don't have to
get old.

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Thanks to each and every one of you that come
back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now you
know that I'm curious about biohacking, about becoming better, about

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improving my energy, my focus, my strength. And there's a
guest that we've had on twice before who I'm so
excited to have back on because he is the father
of bio hacking, someone who has brought this movement to
the fore, helped create so many products, insights, books that
have guided us through this. I'm talking about the one
and only Dave Aspury, entrepreneur, four time New York Times

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best selling author, and host of the top one hundred podcast,
The Human Upgrade formerly Bulletproof Radio, which is more than
two hundred million downloads. Dave is the co founder of
Bulletproof Coffee and a leading voice in the movement to
take control of our own biology news. Outlets like The
Today show, CNN, Wired, Good Morning America, Fast Company and

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many more call him the father of bier hacking, and
over the last two decades, Dave has worked with world
renowned doctors, researchers, scientists, and global mavericks to uncover the latest,
most innovative methods. And what I love about what Dave
does is he makes what could cost a lot of
money extremely accessible, relevant, and practical. And he's doing that

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in this new book called Smarter Not Harder, The Biohacker's
Guide to Getting the Body and Mind you want. Go
and grab a copy of this right now. We're going
to put a link in the caption so you can
order it while you're listening to us. Welcome back to
the show, Dave Aspery, Dave third time.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
It's always such a pleasure to get time in person
with you.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I know me too. I really love seeing it, and
I said it to you today. I see you like
you know, whenever we're connecting, maybe it's a conference or
obviously on the podcast. You look better and younger and
thinner and healthier every time over the last few years.
And I think that's testament to everything you say working
and everything you're saying. You're practicing it. And honestly, I
saw you today and I was just like, who's this

(04:24):
big bright light in my house? Like think, you know,
it's really special to obviously practice what you preach, but
to actually see the benefits you must feel great too.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I mean, I feel amazing. I wrote a big book
on longevity that I published a few years ago, and
I went really deep. For twenty years, I've been running
a nonprofit and just working in that field, but I
went really deep, and I started doing this stuff more aggressively.
And I am now, let's see, eleven years younger than
my calendar age. And last week I just got some

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gene therapy that'll take another nine years off my measured age,
So I should test to be about thirty years ars old,
even though the calendar believes something different.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
What is that measuring? So I've heard people talk about
measuring the age before. How is that calculating? Obviously we
know how your calendar age marks, but how are they
calculating a biological age? Like?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
What does that look like?

Speaker 1 (05:13):
What are the processes?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
You draw a little bit of blood and then they
look at something called DNA methylation about eight hundred thousand
different data points and you can say, well, normal people
have this much methylation in this pattern, but people who
are younger look this way. So if you take two
people's blood, you should be able to tell their age,
but if they take my blood, they get a much
younger age. So this is now the gold standard for

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measuring how old you are. There's other more affordable tests
like biome has an age that's based on a lot
of things that are happening in your gut, back tire,
and in your body. And then there's old fashioned blood
telomere tests that don't work very well.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
So yeah, don't trust those ones. You may feel like
you're ten years old a bit, but that's not accurate. Well,
I want to dive into this new book. There are
so many chapters that really stood out to me as
well going and I picked out some lines here that
really kind of hit me. This one I thought was huge.
And I love how you start the book on laziness
and you talk about tapping into the power of laziness,
and I was just thinking, this is so true because

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whenever anyone's trying to shift their health, whether it's biohacking,
whether it's mental health, whatever it may be, laziness seems
to be like this big elephant in the room. Right,
It's like that thing that slows you down, it makes
you lax. It feels like it's negative. But you say
you're not lazy, your body is, and you talk about
tapping into the power of laziness. Tell me how you

(06:33):
do that and what does that mean? Because I think
a lot of you're gonna make a lot of people
happy today.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I will, But even talking about laziness, the only thing
worse is talking about death. I mean people they don't
want to do it. So when I would do an
Instagram post about laziness, people would just not watch it
because like, I don't want to face that. And we've
all been shamed for being lazy. There's that coach it's like,
don't be so lazy. Run around the field again, and
the teacher you know you're not performing, or your parents,

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so we have all this shame about it. The reality, though,
is that your body has an operating system. I call
it the meat operating system, and a lot of spiritual
work is actually accessing that and it has a very
strong desire to not waste energy, and that is a
sacred thing.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Imagine if we had two people, and one of them says,
working hard gets results. And I said, all right, guys,
go dig a ditch. And one of them says, I
got my shovel, and the other one says, I got
a tractor. Okay, the guy with a tractor was done
in twenty minutes and the other guy works for three days.
And we somehow believe without thinking, the virtuous guy is
the guy with a shovel because he worked hard, and

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we're unconsciously believing that working hard gets results. So we
shame ourselves when we don't work hard, and sadly, when
we work hard and we don't get results, we start
feeling like victims, which is really toxic. We all know
people work really hard and don't get results. Maybe it's
because we have a belief system in there that doesn't work.
And when we say, well, couldn't I do this in

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an easier way, we start feeling shame. Now it's not
okay to do it the easy way, because the virtue
comes from the struggle. But in the world that we
live in, the virtue comes from getting it done and
understanding that you will always have a desire to be
lazy and think about it. You wake up and you say,

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all right, I could go to the gym, or there's
a couch and there's donuts and Netflix. The couch is
always going to look sexier, and we start, well, I
should want the gym, No, you shouldn't. Your body really
does want the extra energy from the donuts and not
using any energy in case there's a famine. So embracing that.
Your motivation from your body is to save energy and

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there's nothing wrong with that. So then how do you
use that to motivate yourself. That's how to hack laziness. Well,
if you go to the gym, let's say you're going
to do cardia, go to span class. If you did
an hour a day, five days a week, that's aggressive.
You're going to improve after two months provement in your fitness.
If you do the lazy way, the thing I write
about and smarter, not harder, you're going to spend fifteen

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minutes a week you will not sweat. That's the amount
of time he's been brushing your teeth. By the way,
you'll improve by twelve percent, six times more. So you
wake up and you say, today I'm going to save
fifty minutes of not working at the gym because I'm
going to do it better, And all of a sudden,
it's really motivating because the body says, I get to
save energy at the gym, and then the body aligns

(09:27):
its motivation with what your mind wants, and then the
resistance fades. And it's a really important thing. It's something
that I've never seen written about anywhere. So use the
savings of time, the savings of energy to motivate yourself.
But you know who does know about this, big food companies.
They will send you a twenty five cent coupon and

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oh look, I save twenty five cents because to our body,
saving money feels like a lot more than it really is. Right,
So it's about an unconscious view of reality. So since
we know our body does that without our knowledge or permission,
let's just use it to our advantage instead of against us.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah. Absolutely, So using a fifteen minute workout per day,
no no, no, no, no, Using a fifteen minute workout.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Five minutes, three times a week.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Five minutes, three times a week, how is that having
a twelve percent change?

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, maybe working hard doesn't get results when it comes
to exercise, And I want to be really clear, the
ability to work hard is necessary for you to get
things done in the world, but working hard without the
right tools is a fool's errand and one of my companies,
it's a franchise. We're about to be over about thirty

(10:36):
locations signed, so we're opening across the country. It's called
Upgrade Labs. You can go to own and Upgrade Labs
dot com and open one in your neighborhood. And we
have the technology to do this. It uses artificial intelligence,
and it causes you to move slower than you want
and then way harder than you really really want to,
but only for twenty seconds. And then here's the trick.

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As soon as you're done, you take some really keep
breaths and it guides you with the AI to say
it breathe deeper, and it brings your heart rate down.
So what your body really responds to is really strong
stimulation like a tiger was gonna catch you, and then
a feeling of safety and calm. When you have enough minerals,
you have enough nutrients, it says, oh, I guess I
should improve my performance. But if you go to the
spin class, okay, the tiger chases you on the first

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sprint and then you keep running and then you sprint again,
and you keep running, and the body believes I'm being
hunted and it doesn't get away. And if you're combining
that with a low calorie diet, oh there's a famine.
And I'm continuously hunted for an hour a day, no wonder.
It's not going to improve. It doesn't have any energy
to improve. It's just stressed. So the precise dose of exercise,

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it matters so much. And the liberating thing. You're gonna
hate me for saying this. So you notice I'm in
better shape than for twenty minutes a week is my
entire workout regimen. And I'm like, I'm doing all right.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
You're stacked. Yeah, that's epic, man. And you said it
on page twenty one. You said your body does not
care how much time you do something hard. It cares
about how quickly you do something hard, how hard it is,
and how quickly it returns to baseline. There you go,
page twenty one. Is that is? And that resonated with
me a lot because and we'll talk about this later on.

(12:18):
I don't want to get into it now, but you
talk about this in the book as well. Why the
infrared sauna and why cold plunges. Kind of that explains
exactly that process, especially if you're doing both back and
forth and you think they're getting in the cold for
you're like, oh, I'd have to sit in there for
a long time, but it's actually how long is it uncomfortable? For?

(12:39):
Right that where it's actually working, because you're saying once
it becomes normalized, Once anything becomes normalized, whether it's spin class,
whether it's sitting in the cold, or whatever it may be,
it's now not having that effect.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
It doesn't work. In fact, if you got in a
normal warm bathtub and slowly cool the water, you would
have no benefits from doing that. And instead it's that
you got in and it was a rapid drop in temperature,
and then you got out and the body warmed itself
up again, and it's teaching the body that it is
safe to warm itself up, and then it becomes better
at creating heat. If your body's better at creating heat,

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it means your metabolism works better. And so we've unpacked
all of this using machine learning and artificial intelligence, and
today most people they buy gym memberships and they don't go.
There's four hundred million dollars a year of ghost memberships
where people pay and never show up because well, if
I have the membership, I might show up, but the
lazy impulse of the body wins because the gym doesn't

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have a good return on investment of your time.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
And I'm not saying you shouldn't work out, No, Yeah,
And if you go to the gym, awesome. I enjoy
that as well, But I'd frankly rather to go to
a yoga class in my spare time. And then you
can get the muscles in about three to five times
less time than going to the gym. You get the
cardio I don't know, fifteen minutes versus five hours a week.
I don't know the ratio there, but it's crazy and

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it's much better at cardio anyway. And so all of
a sudden you're saying, wait, I got my strength, I
got my cardio. And that was what led me to
create Upgrade Labs because people want to come in and
do this, and what do you do with the extra time? Well,
how about we train your brain with neurofeedback. How about
we train your stress response so you can be more
resilient when things are weird at work or at home,
or things like that, or how about we just make

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it so your body recovers better than it ever did.
And what we're dealing with now is a world full
of stress and never any recovery time. So let's use
technology to handle the easy stuff like muscles and cardio,
and then let's take the extra safe time to make
our brains better and to make our stress handling better.
Absolutely has changed my life.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Have you got one in La Upgrade Labs.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
There's one at the Beverly Hilton, although the hotel is
about to get renovated. And there's one in Santa Monica
underneath Arnold Scharznaker's office. Oh. Absolutely, yeah, I need to
come in.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I didn't. Yeah, this is I didn't realize. That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah. In fact, the first one opened eight years ago
in Santa Monica. I've been working on this for a
long time before we decided to let anyone open a
business at Upgrade Labs. And part of this is it's
a global movement now, biohacking it's a thing. You go
to Latin America, you go to Japan, it doesn't matter.
There's biohacking all over the world. And it's expensive to
build a million dollar lab like I did at my

(15:17):
house with all this advanced tech. So what if we
just made it available for everyone.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
That's awesome. I can't wait to check it out. Yeah,
all right, let's dive back in. There's a couple of
things that you talk about. So we talked about laziness.
One of the things that you talk about in the
book is removing friction. So you have these six steps
to energy success, and I'll let people get the book
to dive into all of them. I don't want to
go through everything, but you talk about removing friction, and
I think when you dive into that, I was like,

(15:42):
that's the right word, Like, it's friction that we experience.
What are some of the steps or some of the
highlights that you see of like removing friction. What does
that look like.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
When you think about something that you want to do.
Oftentimes it's the little things that feel really big because
your body is creating resistance. It's like, don't waste energy.
There might be a famine. Don't waste energy. So if
you can't find your gym shoes right because you're not
organized right, and there's a lot of things that we
do that make it so that there's many steps, and

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each step is a decision, so you remove decisions to
make it really easy. And a big source of friction
is you wanted to do it, you went to the
gym and you didn't get results. One of the things
that's holding you back is that either you're exposing yourself
to toxins that lower your testosterone, things like extra plastic BPA,
or you're just lacking minerals. And right now we have

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an epidemic of people who just don't have enough minerals.
Our food used to be full of minerals because our
soil was full of minerals. We've been kind of strip
farming the land. So even if you're eating plants that
are supposed to be high on iron, they're probably not
because the soil doesn't have iron anymore. And when you
get enough minerals in the body, then you send a

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signal through your exercise that says, hey, improve. The body
says why I wanted to improve, But I have this
big sticking point. I don't have enough zinc and copper.
I can't improve, So then you just feel stress. So
one of the things that's really helped me lean out
is I focus very heavily on my mineral intake. They're
the least sexy supplements on Earth. And to make minerals

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go where they're supposed to go, we need something called
vitamin DKE and you can go to Vitamin dake dak
dot com and it's there. It's about twenty bucks a
month for what it takes to do this. It's a
combination of vitamin D, vitamin A, vitamin K, and a
special form of vitamin E and those things. When you
take those in combination with a broad spectrum mineral supplement

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on the same site, your body suddenly has the power
to build bones and to build muscle and make energy,
and your focus can improve. And then I put the
trace minerals that are just broadly lacking for all of
us in my new coffee brand called Danger Coffee. So
the idea is, it's easy. You're doing coffee every day
probably anyway, and you end up going, wow, something different.

(17:57):
It feels different in this and it it's called Danger Coffee.
By the way, You're gonna like this because who knows
what you might do. You know, you might finally ask
that girl out, you might start a company, you might
start a podcast. The idea is, I love that you
can handle it now because you've got the energy and
minerals are the key.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And why are the minerals you talked about? This is
like we always talk about supplements, yeah, talk about vitamins.
We don't hear about minerals as much. And you make
that point in the book. Are those the full minerals
that you're saying the dak and special form of E
like those are the.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Those are vitamins? Yes, they are the fat soluble vitamins.
And each of those direct minerals to go to the
right place in the body. And in the minerals there's macromnerals,
things like magnesium and potassium, and there's trace minerals like
zinc and copper and manganese, and then there's alter trace
minerals that are present in Earth's crust and you need
a little bit of those. So there's in the coffee

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there's fifty four different kinds of minerals at super tiny traces.
And in the supplements you take, it's three pills to
get enough minerals, just enough minerals in your day. That's
why on a pill thing that has vitamins minerals, there's
not enough of anything in that And when you do that.
Those are the first two most important, foundational and affordable
supplements that you need to take before you do be vitamins,

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and I've formulated neotropics and advanced anti aging longevity things.
I love doing that, and I take those two. But
the last thing I would ever stop taking would be
vitamin DKE and minerals one on one, because they're foundational
to everything else your body does, whether it's meditating better,
whether it's running faster, whether it's thinking better, or just
staying calm in a stressful situation. Without minerals, your body

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cannot do what it's trying to do.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Yeah. No, I couldn't agree with you more. I've definitely
we've talked about this before, and I've definitely had periods
in my life where I was so low on minerals
or vitamins of course, which are then impacting the minerals,
where I'm like, wait a minute, I'm sleeping right, I'm
working out, I'm eating right, Like what is going on?
And so often I think we make it a mental
challenge where we're like, oh, maybe I'm dealing with something,

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and actually what you realize is your body's just not
dealing with stress. And now it makes it feel like
everything's mental when it's actually biological and chemical.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
You said it, So my body's not dealing with stress
right now. I believe that half and maybe seventy percent
of the emotional stress that we feel on a daily
basis it comes from our body being malnourished.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yes, I agree. Yeah, And then it feels like experience that.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Okay, yeah, so me too, and it feels like it's
your mother in law or your boss, or like it's
someone else's fault, or maybe it's you and your mind
is running in circles. Well, when the body feels like, okay,
there's not a famine, I've got everything I need. All
of a sudden, things that felt like everest, Oh that's
just a fool. I could walk up that no problem,
and to create a feeling of piece in your tissues

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and then do the hard work on the mental and
spiritual aspects of meditation. It's a lot easier to work
on those when your body's working. But if you're constantly
feeling that what your body's telling you because it's hungry,
is you, and it's a flaw or it's something to
work on, you can spend your entire life, trying to
deal with your emotion, not knowing that it's what's on
your plate that's causing them.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I want to fully double emphasize
that that is so true and so real, and I
think so many of us are climbing up a steep
hill trying to solve the wrong problem first, and this
way round's going to make all of it much easier.
I think you're spot on, and I'm so glad, so
glad that we address that. I wanted to dive into
this one, like for everyone who's listening and watching, the

(21:22):
book goes into depth into exactly the minerals, exactly the
vitamins you need. Like I want you to know that
the book's giving you a breakdown, and so make sure
you grab the book so that you actually get all
their insights. I just want to give you the breadth
of the inside that Dave has so that you're like, oh,
wait a minute, I need to work on that. I
need to work on that. Something you talk a lot
about is picking a target area and tracking it. And

(21:43):
you talk about these core target areas. You talk about strength,
cardiovascular fitness, energy, metabolism, brain function, and stress resistance and
I've found that that's probably our biggest mistake when it
comes to our health, is we either are measuring nothing,
we're trying to measure everything. You nailed it, right, Where
should one start, Like, how does one I guess intuitively

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or data wise know what they are missing right now?
Because I feel like most of us don't know. Most
of us live quite unconsciously, and we may be feeling
a bit tired, we may be feeling a bit of
body pain, but we're not really that aware of what
the challenges and what we need.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I have a lot of data on this because we
ask people this when they come into every labs, and
that was one of the things that inspired me to
structure the book this way. And it's kind of funny.
The only people on earth who are going to say
when they wake up in the morning, the first thing
they want, I want to be healthy today. There are
people who are like me. When I weigh three hundred pounds,
I had chronic fatigue syndrome and arthritis and massive brain

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fog and I was a wreck. So being healthy was
a top priority for me. And you might get there
when you're seventy five right as well. I just wish
I was healthy. But when we're reasonably healthy, health is
number seventeen on the honeydeal list. I want it. And
what's really motivating us oftentimes from our body is we
want to be powerful, we want to be energetic, we

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want love in our life, and those things they trump health.
So health never gets enough priority. And what does health
even mean? Most people can't tell you. So I broke
it down into those five or six categories, and okay,
what are you going to work on first? And every
person is individual, So where are you today? And then
what's your first goal? And everyone says, well, I want

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all of those, but pick one, And in fact I
encourage you in the book to pick two and really
think about it. And when people come and we actually
use a conjoint analysis survey and like we go through
data to help you figure out your goals. But in
the book, I teach you how to do it. So
if your first goal is you know what, I noticed
that I'm weak, I can't hold on to things line,

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my grip strength is gone, I don't have the muscles
I want. Okay, so you're going to focus on muscle first,
or like a lot of people, I'm stressed all the time.
And my brain doesn't work. I'm going to focus on
my brain first. So then you go to the section
of the book on brain and I list all the
technologies and techniques, whether they're free or cost a couple
hundred bucks or cost thousands of dollars, that work really

(24:09):
well to bring your brain back online. And when you
do that, your muscles will work a little bit better
as a side effect. Right, So maybe that was it. First,
I want my brain, then I want my muscles. But
someone else could be totally different in their desires. I
want to be able to run a marathon. I just
need the endurance to walk up the stairs because I
can't take care of my kids. Stuff like that happens
all the time. So you go through the book and say, okay,

(24:31):
this is my goal, and then there's a variety of
technologies that will support that. And some of them I
say technologies, they're just techniques. And if it's muscles, picking
up rocks is the entire history of building muscles for humans.
We concentrate the rocks into kettlebells now, but they're still rocks.
And then for endurance, it's run away from tigers, like
you could run away from a slow tiger or a

(24:51):
fast tiger. And that's all of exercise. Well, with machine
learning and AI, we are doubling the amount of knowledge
of biology that we have every seventy three days. There's
so much magic happening right now that you can use
this new knowledge that your doctor is probably never going
to know, and you can use that to say, oh,

(25:11):
I can do this in a lot less time. So
then you get your muscles back and your brain works better.
You get your brain back, and then you have the
energy to do the muscle work or to do the
endurance work, and then say, I'm going to work on
these stress management techniques. And you have so much wisdom
that you've offered people on dealing with stress and the
meditation side of things. And there's a couple chapters towards

(25:32):
the end of the book where I talk about, you know,
spiritual hacking, which on its face is a bit offensive,
I admit it, but.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
It came from a good place, it did.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
And the idea here is what would have happened in
Tibd or in India or an apoll or place like that.
Is Okay, we have a cave, and you can go
to the cave and twenty years later you're going to
be enlightened. And you could call that fast path. But
most of us have other things that we want to do.

(26:04):
So how do we get the maximum amount of meditation
benefit per minute? Like hurry, meditate faster. It's an oxymoron,
except if you can say, well, I'm going to do
breath work with my meditation, and studies show that your
brain gets into these states more quickly, then maybe you
should consider finding the kind of breath work that works

(26:25):
for your body, because for every ten minutes of work
you do, you might get into the state faster. And
for some people say, well that's not okay. The Dalai
Lama years ago offered one hundred thousand dollars reward to
neuroscientists who could help him get into a special esoteric state.
He says, it takes me four hours of meditation to
get there, and I don't have four hours. If you
can get me there in an hour, I'll pay you

(26:46):
one hundred thousand dollars. Okay, this is possible. Today I
run a neuroscience clinic called forty Years of Zen, and
in five days people have the brain waves of someone
who spent twenty years in the cave. And I've spent
six months of my life with the electrodes glued to
my head, meditating every day with a computer teaching me
how to not do it wrong, and for me, that

(27:06):
was faster. But I also did five years of Art
of Living breath work every single morning because I found
it worked better than just sitting and meditating, which I
also did every morning. And I want people to understand
any of those approaches is better than not doing it,
and you've got to find the one that works for you.
And there's a list of exercises in here, including the

(27:28):
reset process, which is one of the most important things
I teach.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Can you woke us through this?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
The reset process is something that I pioneered with the
Neuroscience practice because you can measure when it works and
what you do and the whole recipes and the book
for it. But what you're doing is you're finding something
that is a trigger for you. And I want to
be really straightforward. If you can be triggered, it means
you're walking around with a loaded gun. You need to

(27:53):
unload the gun. It's not everyone else's job to not
make you shoot them. It's your job to say, I'm
not carrying a weapon anymore. So you find something that
triggers you, and you sit and you think about that feeling,
and it's usually something will pop in your head. You
were bullied, something my parents said, someone cut you off
in traffic, It doesn't really matter. Something's gonna pop in
your head. Say okay, I'm going to run the reset

(28:15):
process on that. So you sit the person who made
you angry down across from you in your mind's eye, yeah, visually,
and you're also in your mind's eye you imagine some
sort of infallible deity. Some people use God or Jesus
or Buddha or you know, any of the deities that
you like, or it could just be you know, a
light bulb that's always right. It doesn't matter, but this

(28:36):
is your double checking thing. And then you sit there
and you actually say, you did this and it made
me feel this way. And then you tap into how
bad you felt and you actually turn on the bad feeling,
like what you want me to actually read? Yes, I
want you to feel it. And then once you're sure
that you've really felt the bad feeling, you might have

(28:57):
tears in your eyes. I mean, it might have been
a big thing. Then and this is the key that's
missing from a lot, even of older literature. Before you
work on letting it go, you have to find gratitude.
So you find one thing. It doesn't matter how big
of a gratitude is. You just need a spark of
gratitude and say, oh, here's one good thing that happened,
and all of a sudden, that flips a switch in

(29:19):
your brain, and then you can step into the F
word called forgiveness.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
And forgiveness everyone's mind, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
And the reason I called the F word is a lot
of people I'm not going to forgive that person. They
wrong to me. You don't have to tell them you
forgive them. This is just you unloading the weapon. This
is you no longer being triggered, right, And then you
look at it from the other person's point of view,
and you realize, maybe their mom was mean to them,
you know, maybe they didn't know. Maybe the guy who
cut you off in traffic was on the way to

(29:53):
the hospital to see his daughter being born. You just
don't know, right, And you start looking at that and
all of a sudden, because you did gratitude first, you
feel your heart open and you go, oh my gosh.
And when you're done, and sometimes it takes neuroscience or
a facilitator or some coaching. But when you're done, you
can look at someone who wronged you greatly and all

(30:13):
you feel is peace and love and you can no
longer be triggered. This is very important because what we
normally learn to do is to say, well, I know
that every time the situation comes up, I'm going to
feel triggered. I'm going to notice that I'm triggered, and
then I'm going to take a deep breath and I'm
going to choose to behave like an adult. Hallelujah for
doing that. We all need to do more of that.

(30:34):
It's just biologically expensive because it takes a lot of
effort and time and focus. What if there was no trigger?
So the reset process lets you turn this off at
a very deep and profound level, and when you're done,
you can look at your greatest enemy and you can say,
I love you, I forgive you, we are one, and
you are done for the rest of your life with
that trauma. And I have done this on every single

(30:55):
trauma that's ever happened. I've I had a very successful
conscience on up playing. In the last two years, I
had an employee, embezzel money. I've had people try to
ruin my reputation, all of it around the reset process
on it, and I'm absolutely at peace with it. And
to be able to get there running, I mean you
run at a very big level, so do I. And

(31:16):
the amount of stuff that comes at us no one's
ever going to know is an enormous thing when you're
leading millions of people and making the world a better place.
And to be able to do that without the constant
stress and the constant tension and the constant questioning in
your mind, that all comes from unresolved forgiveness. So the
reset process in the book is how do you get

(31:38):
there most quickly? And you may say, I don't want
to do that. That sounds awful. Do some emdr that's
another way to get to a similar state. But this
process is so powerful and it leads you to amazing
spiritual states where you no longer are carrying a grudge
because I'm smarter and harder the power of laziness. How

(31:58):
expensive is it for you spiritually, at a soul level
to carry a grudge against someone who wronged you for
the rest of your life? Life is too precious to
waste it that way, And this is the fastest way
I've found for people to learn how to let go
of something. And I put it in a book. You say, well,
I thought that was about exercising biohacking. Look, the biggest
thing you can do and the hardest thing you can do,

(32:19):
is to let go of something that your body is
holding onto because it thinks it's keeping you safe. And
I thought I was just worthy of including in the book.
That's what I mean by spiritual hacking. Find the technique
that lets you fully let go of something so that
you can be present with your family, with your friends,
with your loved one, and then you can be present
for your mission, or maybe you can find your mission
in your purpose.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yeah, I think it's so well said. I'm so glad
you included it because I think for the sake of simplicity,
we talk about our body, our mind, our soul or
spirit or whatever we call it. But the truth is
that it's so interconnected in that as you were saying,
if you can't let go of an emotional disconnect or
a missileone n chances are that's going to lead to

(33:02):
your eating habits, and then that eating habit is going
to link back to a lack of that spiritual cleansing
or detoxing or whatever that may be. So we're kind
of just stuck in this vicious cycle. And I wanted
to talk to you about that because using that spiritual
hacking the other way and going what are some of
the blocks that are created physically because of the lack

(33:23):
of letting go? What are some of the habits that
you've seen developed physically in our diet, in our you know,
in our physical practices because of a lack of that.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I believe that every cell in your body has its
own small consciousness, and even inside the cells, the mitochondria,
each of them is an ancient bacteria, and ancient bacteria
have a consciousness. It's a pretty slow, dumb consciousness. Actually
it's a very fast consciousness, but it's it doesn't have
much awareness. But when you have billions actually for those things,

(33:54):
almost trillions inside the body, they function as a distributed
consciousness for your meat, for your hardware, and they're just
trying to keep the petri dish alive, and they think
you're a petri dish, and you realize that they're storing traumas.
And when you do this really deep forgiveness work. You're
causing the body to relax, and you're causing the body

(34:15):
to feel safe at a cellular level. And when a
cell feels safe, it will expand and grow and thrive
and it'll maintain itself. And when a cell feels like
the environment around it is hostile, whether it's because of
self hate or whether it's because of a lack of nutrients,
or because you're overexercising or under exercising, then they don't

(34:35):
feel safe, and then they don't do their job right.
So when your body is in that place, your energy
field gets bigger and stronger. And we can even measure
that at the science clinic. We measure brain voltage and
people will increase their brain voltage. And when that happens,
suddenly that injury that you've had that won't heal, it heals.

(34:57):
The cancer that you have can shrink just from doing
meditation right. Because if there's conscious or unconscious loathing around
a part of your body, like oh, you don't like
your love handles, right, they're probably not going to go away.
In fact, they'll probably get bigger, right because they don't
feel safe. So this deep loving of your body of

(35:18):
your tissues. And I was working with a teenager recently
and she said, you know, some of my friends don't
like their bodies, and yeah, and they think they're fat,
or they think they're thin, or they don't like their
nose or whatever. And so I thought about it a lot,
and I realized I really like my body because it

(35:40):
can do all these amazing things. And I was like,
that is the most enlightened, cool thing I've ever heard
from a teenager, right, because if you have that self
love for your tissues, even if they're not working right.
And I say this as a guy who was three
hundred pounds with like arthritis and a knee that I
couldn't trust because it would just like it would just
fold in the middle of the walk, you know, I
would fall over, like I was such a rack. And

(36:03):
to be able to go through and forgive yourself that's
actually the hardest forgiveness. And you can run the reset
process on a part of your body that you have
an issue with, you can run the reset process on
your entire body, and the feelings of not being enough,
not being good enough, all of those things you can
just like go of so you're just at peace and
things are as they are, and you don't have to
have an emotional reaction everything, and that allows you to

(36:25):
have so much more energy for your spirit.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
When that spiritual lacking is draining all your energy, you
don't have the energy to pick the right foods and
to do the workout, and to put into your creative
processes or creative endeavors that you have going on. And
I want to dive into a couple of things which
I thought, really I'm glad you talked about this in
the book because I think the challenges, as we know

(36:49):
with health and wellness, there's always a new fad, a
new trend, a new kind of thing that comes up
and everyone gets behind it, and then afterwards a few
years later we realized that there was more research to
I think one of those big areas is around There's
two areas in the book that you cover really well
that I want to dive into. One is around where
we get our protein. We know protein's important. I mean,

(37:12):
remind us how much protein we need to get every day,
Like good protein you.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Need between zero point eight and one gram of protein
per pound of body weight. So I weigh two hundred
pounds and I'm about seven percent body fat, and that
means I need about two hundred grams of protein fat. Yeah,
that's ridiculous. Yeah, as a guy who is the fat
computer hacker from the first Durassic Park, it's totally ridiculous.

(37:35):
And in order to do that, if you're obese like
I was, you might say, well, if I weigh three
hundred pounds, I had one hundred pounds of fat, you
really only need two hundred grams of protein. You can
subtract the extra fat from the number, but two hundred
grams of protein. It's a lot, and protein isn't all
the same, and this is something.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
That that's what Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, the big food companies are trying to tell us
cricket protein or gluten is protein. There's a company making
keto cookies that are all protein. They're just gluten and
canola oil. That is not food. So a while ago,
the story was, oh, all calories are the same, so
you can drink this, you know, hyproctose corn STARp. It's
just calories. As long as you keep your calories low.
You can drink a diet coke and a Snicker's bar.

(38:13):
They councel each other's out. It doesn't work like that.
Protein's the same way. So different proteins send different signals
to the body. And there's something called amino acid availability score,
and it turns out that animal proteins score much higher
than plant based proteins. And I say this as a
former vegan, a former raw vegan, and you just cannot

(38:35):
get enough protein from plants unless you're doing heavy industrial
processing of the plants, and that comes out of cost.
But even then, the highest quality of plant based protein
powders don't hold a candle to dairy protein, which is vegetarian,
or egg protein which is vegetarian or sort of. The
king of proteins is beef or buffalo or bison. As

(38:56):
a vegan, I had a problem with this because vegan.
I was in Tibet at a monastery, and Tibetan monks
love to argue. They're trained since they're about eight years old.
They have an eight year old sitting on the ground
surrounded by older kids standing up, all arguing at the
same time, doing these like aggressive things, and it's to

(39:17):
teach you to be calm in the face of arguments
so that you can still be at piece. And it's
beautiful to watch. So I knew this and so I'm
kind of teasing the head lama. I said, well, you
tell me no killing, but you have a yak skin
on your prayer pole, so I think you're a hypocrite.
And he starts laughing and it looks at me. He goes,
one death feeds everyone. I'm like mind blown because I

(39:37):
had been a vegan until I went to Tibet, and
I was like, cannot be a vegan in Tibet because
there's just very little food. And if there's you know,
some yak butter tea, or there's you know a little
bit of meat, you just eat it because there's just
not enough food. So I really thought about it, and
that led me to think about death's per calorie. And
as a guy has built a regenerative farm on Vancouver

(40:00):
Island and raised all of my own animals for most
of the last eight years, I will tell you that
a cow will feed you for an entire year, and
if it's grass fed and from a local farmer, no
other animal died unless the cow stepped on a frog.
I mean, it is literally one death, and if the
cow was treated with respect and ethically, then you are
killing fewer animals than an industrial plant. Protein, because when

(40:23):
they do those, the tractor comes through and it chops
up every creature that's there, including the bunnies and the
mice and the butterflies and all the ugly ones like
worms that no one likes that are important for life.
So I feel really clean about it. But the most
important thing that I can say if you choose to
eat animal protein, which I do, is that practice gratitude

(40:43):
before you eat. I believe, because of my shamanic training,
because of all the spiritual work that I do, that humans,
our energetic field, as a species, made a sacred agreement
with the animals that we've domesticated, and they come here
to nourish us in exchange for our gratitude. So if
you're going to eat meat, you practice gratitude because that's

(41:05):
the deal we made. And if you disrespect the animal
and you're eating industrial meat and you're eating it with mindlessly,
I don't think that's a good practice. But I do
think it's ethical to eat meat because I'm killing fewer
lives when I eat beef than when I eat plant
based protein, and since that nourishes me better, which gives
me stronger energy and stronger bones, and it gives me

(41:28):
more energy to put back into the world, including building
better soil via farming of animals. I feel like it's
a good deal and it's within integrity for me.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
But even in some animal protein you are recommending, and
we'll talk about the plant proteins as well, but some
of the animal proteins you were saying are not as
strong and reliable. I believe you mentioned chicken, turkey. I
think there are a couple of ways in the book
that I saw.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Birds are not that thrown dinosaurs, so they're less like us.
And the fat that's present in birds is similar to
soybean oil. It's a lot of a Mega six that
causes inflammation. And you would know this if you're in
India and you're not feeling well, your grandmother's going to
give you white rice and ghee, which is clarified butter.
In the US, you get saltines and margarine or something,

(42:11):
and it doesn't work very well. But the reason is that, gee,
that saturated fat is very nourishing for you, and that
you actually need that you don't get it from a chicken.
And also one chicken to get the amount of protine
I eat a chicken a day I'm killing three hundred
and sixty five chickens a year. That doesn't feel very good.
In addition to that, real chickens, the kind that I

(42:32):
grow on my farm, take nine months to mature, and
their fat is rich and yellow and full of vitamins,
even though it's not the best kind of fat. But
the chickens they're eating at the store takes six weeks
to get that big because they've been modified and bred
to have these incredibly large breasts, and they're terribly mistreated.
So unless the chicken is pasture raised and a heritage breed,

(42:53):
at which point it's not affordable. They're terribly expensive to raise.
Chickens exist to make eggs. Eggs, if you're not allergic,
are really a good source of fat and protein, And
when you eat eggs, you want to cook the whites
and leave the yolk running, and then you get the
most nutrients that way.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
We talked about the plant protein from an ethical standpoint,
but even from a nutritional standpoint, I mean, as so,
me and my wife are both plant based, but plant
protein is like not a big part of our diets
at all. My wife's like not into eating any of
the burgers or any of the meat, so it's probably good.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Fake meat is not good.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, yeah, explain why, because I think that's slightly the
challenge for a lot of people who try and make
that switch, and I feel everyone who turns to that
then goes back because it's not satisfying.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Are you plant based to the exclusion of dairy.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yes, I A yea my WiFi we have been for years.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, and it's working for you. But if you're from India,
you probably have the genes that support that much better exactly.
And so if you look at what your great grandmother ate,
that's going to be an indication of what you can handle.
And if you look at you, your skin is really good.
And that's a new usual when most people go vegan
because they eat a lot of industrial processed seed oils.

(44:04):
So if you're eating a diet that agrees with your body,
and I totally support doing that, then what you want
to do is you want to make sure that you're
getting complete amino acids, and you can do it from
rice and beans. But here's the issue. To get enough protein.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
It's definitely hard. I'm fully like, I'm thinking about it
a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
It's like three hundred grams of carbs to get twenty
grams of protein, So then your best bet for plant
based proteins have the highest amino acid score. It's actually
hemp protein with the fat removed because hemp oil isn't
particularly good for you. So then what you end up
doing is saying, Okay, I'm going to do that, and
I feel good. I've also helped a lot of a

(44:45):
lot of vegans. In fact, this is at David Wolf's
Vegan conference, I explain the virtues of ghi, where no
animals die to make ghi, and ghee helps to escort
the nutrients from plants into the body, so you make
better use of the plants. So sometimes adding tablespoon gia
day gives you like a healthier skin glow and it
feels more nourishing. And people can choose to do that

(45:07):
or not choose to do that. And people get mad
because I tease vegan. Dude, I was a vegan, Like
it's teasing guys. It's not a disrespectful thing. It's in
my case, it actually harms me. And some things like spinach, kale,
even raspberries and almonds are very high in oxalic acid,
which I write about in the book, and it causes

(45:28):
crystals to form. Seventy percent of kidney stones are from
plant based compounds, not from eating meat and beer thirty
percent or from meat and beer, and so you can
overdo either direction, right, So I want people to say,
choose the right plants when you're plant based, and I
would consider if I was plant based, adding hemp based
protein powder, even though it is a processed food, it's

(45:51):
going to be a processed food that has the best
amino acid score that you can get.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Absolutely, thank you so much, very useful for everyone who's listening.
And I wanted to dive into drinking the wrong kind
of milk because I think milk's been this. You know,
there's obviously there's been the almond milks and the oat milks,
and then there's been debate on either side. Walk us
through milk because I think like that's again I'd love
to hear your side of it, because again it's one
of the I find all of this so confusing because

(46:15):
you hear something new come out, everyone gets behind it.
It works for people, maybe it doesn't work. Stopping dairy
milk from my diet helped me with my gut, but
I also don't drink a lot of oat milk or
almond Mike, that's not really that's not really part of
my diet. I don't I don't have cereal and stuff
like that, so I'm not drinking that. But then there's

(46:36):
a lot of debate on that side of it as well.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
There is a lot of yay.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Dairy milk has been a part of human food for
at least five thousand years, and it's a convenient way
to not kill an animal and to have it continuously
produce fat and protein, which are the hard things for
humans to get enough of because carbs are relatively abundant
in nature. So what do you do? Well, while you

(47:00):
would just drink milk, but the milk we would drink
was from a breed of cows that makes a two
milk and they ate grass and that works well with
our biology. The kind of milk that you get now
is from cows that are bread to eat grain and
corn and soy, and that milk has the wrong kind
of fat and it has a kind of protein called
a one protein that's very inflammatory. So a lot of

(47:20):
people who can't drink milk, which include me, because it
messes up my gut roilings. It just makes it makes
me stupid. Actually, my brain swells up from it.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I get a lot of mucause. I used to get
throat like I used to get more throat infections like
me too.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
It's very similar. So sometimes you can handle a two milk,
but raw a too milk is how we used to
drink it. And in many states it's still illegal. And
why the government thinks it has a right to tell
you what you're allowed to eat, I don't know. They
don't have that right, so it doesn't matter if they
make it illegal. They didn't have the right to make
it illegal. So therefore it's not illegal in the world
that I live in. Then again, if you're selling it,

(47:52):
they might still try to arrest you. Then you gotta
go to court. But here's the deal. Raw milk from
many people is very very healing, and for some people
weigh protein, especially if you're vegetarian but not vegan. It's
a source just get grass fed way protein because the
animals are treated better and because it's a higher quality
nutritional product. But let's assume you're not going to drink

(48:12):
cow's milk, because for a lot of people it just
doesn't work, including me, I don't touch it. Butter and
ghee usually are acceptable, especially gee won't trigger allergies and
mucous like that for almost anyone. Well, what about the
fake milks? Right, so these are all industrial products unless
you make it yourself. And what they figured out with
almond milk was, oh, we can take leftover parts of

(48:33):
almonds and you know, the ones that are broken and unsightly,
and we can use those to make milk. And it's
just a few almonds and some canola oil and some
high fructose corns arup some flavorings and we blend it
up and we sell it for like eight dollars as
a health food product. It's not a health food product.
So almond milk is high in phytic acid that sucks
minerals out of your bones. You have to take more minerals.

(48:54):
And it's also high in oxalates, which are the things
that are causing kidney stones and things that are causing
gout and joint pain when you wake up. Even if
you have really bad skin and you're eating a ton
of these high ox late foods like almond milk and
kale smoothies and all this can be why because it's
making tiny razor sharp calcium oxolate crystals in your skin
that are coming out. So I don't recommend almond milk. Also,

(49:18):
if you're a vegan. For animals, the number of bees
about a third of all bees dye pollinating almonds every year, Like,
it is not a particularly clean product. So then we say, well,
oat milk, okay, that is the biggest scam on the
planet right now. It raises your blood sugar as much
as drinking a coke. It is not a hell food,

(49:38):
and it usually has glyphosate and it's high and phidic
acid that sucks minerals out of your body. And I
know you might not like hearing this, but do the math.
There's a tablespoon of oats blended into a bunch of
water and you spent six bucks on that, Like, are
you dumb? Right? It's not a good move, right, So
what should you drink? There's two kinds of milk that

(50:00):
are okay. One of them is macadamian milk, which is
really expensive and you have to make it yourself because
macadamias have the right kinds of oil in them. But
the other one that's abundant and healthy is coconut milk.
So if you're going to do it, use coconut.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Is the worst tasting one.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I know, right, yeah, it is the worst tasting one.
But here's the problem though, If you say, Okay, I
don't like the taste of coconut milk, and I'm with
you on that, so I'm going.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
To I don't drink any milk.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
But yes, yeah, that's really the key. You don't need
to drink a plant milk. It's a made up product
that you don't have a need for. But if you
say I'm going to do one of these other things,
you're spending a lot of money, you're getting anti nutrients,
you're getting mostly water, and you're usually getting a toxic burden.
So like, why am I doing this again? The thing
that milk has that's most important is it has protein,

(50:49):
and the second most important is it has good fats.
When you have a replacement milk, even coconut milk, there
is no protein. So the coconut yogurt you like, it
doesn't work because it doesn't have protein. So you have
to take that and addway protein or add scoops of
maybe hemp protein if you're doing plant based, but you've
got to add a whole bunch of protein to it,
because normal yogurt has that. Most people tolerate grass fed

(51:13):
yogurt pretty well. I still don't. I can't touch cow's
milk unless it's ghee for the most part, or I
could do some butter. But if I was to have,
you know, two tablespoons of regular milk, it messes me up.
My gut's wrong, it's just not right. So that's an
immune response. So I just want to tell you're not
getting protein in your plant milks, and you're getting stuff
you don't want in your plant milks, so just don't

(51:34):
do it.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
You've mentioned canola oil a few terms as well, and
I feel like oil's has been obviously in the biohacking world.
It's been known for a while, but I think it's
finally coming into like the forefront of checking the back
of something and going, oh my gosh, wow, this is
canola oil, palm oil. You know, millions of different oils
walk us through that, because I think that's kind of
still for the majority of people, like an under understood area,

(51:59):
like they're just not aware. Unaware is probably the right word.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Like, yeah, we're unaware. We've been taught first calories, it
wouldn't matter. And it turns out, well, calories do entirely
different things. So we toss that out from most people
have understood that's different. And then we say, okay, well,
it's how much fat are you eating? But who would
imagine that different fats do different things in the body. Oh,
my gosh, you mean the kind of fat matters? Oh,
in different proteins. So even saying fat, carbs, and protein,

(52:24):
it doesn't mean anything unless you know what it is.
So we zoom in on fat. Well, it turns out
omega six fats, which is canola, corn, soybeans, safflour, even
grape seed oil. Those are fats that when they enter
the body, they slow your metabolism and they cause inflammation
because they're unstable fats. They're called pollen saturated fats. And

(52:46):
when you eat saturated fats things like coconut oil or
butter or ghee, or most animal fats from like sheep
or something, or from cows, but not from chickens, then
you end up saying, oh, the saturated fats they can't
oxidize because they're stable. So you eat those and they
stimulate your metabolism and they allow your body to make

(53:06):
testosterone and to make other hormones that your body needs,
and to make stable sell membranes. So we understand the
biochemistry of this, but the food companies are saying, well,
it's cheaper to do cannol oil, so let's fry our
French fries in those canola oil, and it's cousins there.
They are a major cause of diabetes in cancer which
are skyrocketing because they're unstable, especially in they're heated a lot.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
And they're pretty much in every packaged good.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
They are. But change is coming. So before about the
nineteen seventies, all French fries are made with beef tallow
because it's a very stable oil that's fat from cows.
McDonald's that's what they use, and then they switch to
these seed oils and then all the diseases went through
the roof. So we have a problem. Food needs to
be affordable for everyone. One of the companies that I've

(53:52):
invested in and then I'm backing that I'm most excited
about is called zero Acre Farms, and I don't work
for them. I did put a small amount of money
in them, but it's because of the mission they find
a way to use fermentation to make an oil that
is monounsaturated like olive oil that is stable for frying
at twenty five percent the cost of canola oil for

(54:13):
a restaurant, and they're scaling up to get to that
price point. But what it's called zero acre because it'll
remove millions of acres of corn and so from being
grown to squeeze oil out of them. And they can
take sugar cane, just the entire sugar cane, not sugar,
and they can ferment it and make a healthy, edible
oil for humans. And this is going to change the
world's metabolism. It's a huge thing. So in the meantime,

(54:36):
you can go to a place as duck fat fries
or talofries, which you wouldn't eat, or you don't eat fries.
Don't eat fried food at restaurants is a great rule
to live longer. And don't eat the salad dressing either.
Tell them I want real olive oil that's not cut
with canola oil, and I want vinegar or lemon juice.
And you do that, just those two things, nothing fried,
and do that, and all of a sudden you find
you lose weight, your brain is focused, and your body

(54:57):
makes more hormones.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
It's that big of a de I'm so glad you
raised that because that's the It's such a tiny, simple change,
but it could save you from so many different things.
Like I switched. Probably it might have been a year now,
but I traveled a lot this year on tour, and
that was hard because my diet on tour was not
as easy to maintain because I was in different cities
every day and I didn't have a chef. It was

(55:21):
traveling with me or anything like that. And when I'm
back here, I've been eating like a whole Foods dyer,
only eating plants, not eating anything out of packages, you know,
not eating pretty much no package food whatsoever. Maybe now
and again, and like that in and of itself has transferred.
I used to love a bag of chips, right even
if they were like the healthiest chips that I could

(55:41):
possibly find. I love a bag of chips. I love
you know, I love a little bit of crackers, biscuits, whatever,
any of this kind of stuff nick knacks and just
taking out packaged foods is had a massive impact on
how I feel.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
It's kind of life changing to do that. And I
was I missed an oil that should get a shout out.
It's palm oil. Yeah, so palm oil is saturated and
I would much rather eat something cooked in palm oil
than canola oil. The issue with palm oil is mostly environmental,
so there's deforestation and rank tanks and things like that.
But if you are at the store and you want

(56:14):
to buy some chips or crisps or whatever.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, crisp is what I would have called it. I've
adapted bag of chips. We'd call it a bag of
crisps bag in London.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yes, so you want to eat those, look for something
that's cooked in coconut oil or palm oil. And when
you do that, you're going to be much healthier, and
they're going to taste better and they're going to be
more satisfying because when you eat those bad oils, the
Omega six oils, they make you hungry really quickly because
your body says, I got to deal with all this inflammation,
have some sugar. So all of a sudden, you ate

(56:43):
a chip that felt good. And I don't generally eat
stuff like that. Maybe at a barbecue or something, I'll
bring a bag of those.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not perfect. Yeah, And Dave, I
want to thank you for doing all this research, because
you know, as I've got older and I'm thirty six now,
and as I get older, every single year, my health
goes up and up and up on the priority list.
And I think for me it's been so challenging because
I grew up I would say with no health education.
I'm benefited by having a wife who's very disciplined and

(57:13):
focused and understands more. I'm grateful to have my podcast
where I get to sit down with incredible people like you,
and I get introduced to books like yours that I
have over the years on longevity and now smarter, not harder,
And to me, I'm just like, I want to get
this right, to make getting older easier, right, like to
make getting older like your goals.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Your goals suck.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Oh sorry, that's a bad goal.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
I want to make. I want to make getting older easier.
I want to stop getting old. That's I want to
stay how I am now or better every single.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
It isn't a different vision. It feels different. We have
it so built in that we're going to get old.
We are living in a world today where you can
measure as twenty years younger than your calendar age.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I want that. So you want that.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
You don't have to get old, right, you might age,
but the getting old thing, that's that's what we did
in the.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Seventy Yeah, it made me happy. I was. I was.
I've been playing a lot of pickleball and that's been
like my form of exercise that I love and I
enjoy and it's it's it's start and stop, it's fast,
it's competitive. I love every part of it. And I
just got beat by a seventy year old a couple
of weeks ago, and I loved it because I just
I was like, I want to be like you. When
I was like, it's double.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
Wiring, it destroyed me. One person can do that, and
that brings up something that that's actually really important. Please
learning from our elders. The reason I can do all
this biohacking is I was so desperate for my health
in my twenties. I started running an anti aging longevity
nonprofit group near Stanford University. So I was learning how

(58:50):
to maintain my health from people in their eighties who
could run circles around me, like that's possible. I saw it,
and I saw it in the nineties and if they
could do it back then. We can do so much
better now.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
You don't you calling me out that. I like you. You'recome,
You're allowed to. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I like that. That's I learned from my elders. You
learn from the guy in the pickleball court. You can
be that guy when you're seventy. Yeah, and what's really
going to happen on your seventies? You can be that guy.
But look and feel like you do now. And we're
building this world for all of us. And it's really
important because the birth rate in all of developed nations
is so low right now, we're not replacing our population,
which means it's our job to be strong and young forever.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Well said. Well said. The book is called Smarter Not
Harder by Dave ass Read the Biohcker's Guide to Getting
the Body and Mind you want. I highly highly recommend
that you grab a copy of this book. I we
have just skimmed over some of the things that I
found interesting, some of the things that I felt were
front of mind for me. I know a lot of
you been asking questions about these things. I see tons

(59:46):
of videos on TikTok sharing all sorts of advice. I
felt it was great to dive into it with. Dave.
Please go and grab a copy, go and read it
with your friends. Figure out that one thing that you're
going to focus on. Remember, you don't need to try
and do all of this. Pick that one area that
you want to solve, master it, move on to the next.
I promise you that, as much as it sounds hard

(01:00:06):
and complicated and difficult, once you start seeing a win
in one area, it's going to have that domino effect.
So go and grab it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Thank you so much for always coming on and being
such a You're such a you are. You are an elder, truly,
but you don't look like one. You know, you know
you don't. You don't feel like one, which is amazing.
And I'm very grateful that I get to have these
conversations with you because I always come away more inspired
and uplifted, and my goals get bigger and bolder and better.
So I'm glad that you're not letting me settle. So
thank you for not letting me settle. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
You're so welcome. I mean, I mean, I appreciate your
work so much. You are inspiring millions of people to
be better, and I see it every day online and
you're just you're doing such amazing work, so true appreciation.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Well, thank you, Thank you, Dove. If you love this episode,
you'll love my interview with Dr Gabor Matte on understanding
your trauma and how to heal emotional wounds to start
moving on from the past. Everything in nature grows only
where it's vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
So a tree doesn't go oh, it's hard and thick,
does it. It goes where it's soft and green and vulnerable.

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