Home Improvement Show 08-09-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Good morning, thanks for tuning in the Home Improvement Show
of the Midlands back on the radio on one O
three point five FM and five sixty AMWVOC. Hey, appreciate
you stopping by spending some time with us this morning.
This hour is all about fixing it up, getting it fixed.
We got some great folks standing by it I tell
you all about it, including Marcus Greenwell from Lifetime Cabins

(00:33):
and Countertops, who'll be by in old fifteen minutes or so,
give or take. Marcus is well here to talk about
the hot trends and when it comes to countertops and
well as we inch closer to fall, how they're going
to get busy. So if you want to get that
upgrade done in time for the holidays, now is the
time to start thinking about it. James Carwell, the owner

(00:53):
of Freedom Plumbing, will be by. We'll talk about tankless
water heaters with James. Yeah, there's some misconceptions about tankless
water heaters and from the pros and cons tank style
or tankless, and we'll discuss that with James from Freedom
Plumbing coming up in the next half hour. Underway though,
with Heath from Beaver RUFG and Gutters who joins us
first up this morning on the Home Improvement Show of

(01:13):
the Midlands, and good morning to you, Heath.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Good morning, Gear. How are you this morning?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm doing good man. How you been I talked to
you in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Man, No, it's been a while. It's been a busy summer.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, y'all been hopping. You do well with Beaver Rufic
and gutters. You do obviously, what's in the name there.
You do roofing, you do gutters. You've done both for
my family over the years. And then there's the bigger
part of the Anthony used to be all Anthony John
Construction a couple of years ago and then rebranded this
part as Beaver Ruvign Gutters to really focus on that,
and y'all have This has been a great success story.

(01:47):
I mean a local small business, what shoot, twelve maybe
fifteen years in business, I guess, started right here in
the Midlands. And y'all been well, you've been doing great works.
So yeah, obviously you're you're a little busy these days.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, we've been. We've been fortunate. And I know it's
especially around Columbia area, it's slowed down quite a bit,
especially on the roofing side. But we're fortunate, we've we've
stayed pretty busy and able to keep everybody still working
pretty much daily unless it rains, and.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
You know, you mentioned, you know, summertime things slowing down. Now,
there's always that that that possibility out there of really
severe weather for us, you know, as we get into
you know, September, maybe even into October. That seems to
be the time of the year for us when things
really ratchet up when it comes to you know, tropical weather,
and let's hope we don't get any, but it does happen.

(02:38):
But something always happens if we get really really bad
stuff and a lot of roofs get damaged. There's this
phenomenon that happens each and every time heath and that
is suddenly everybody in their brother is a roofer and unfortunately,
a lot of people wind up getting ripped off.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, we're actually still we're picking up some of those
problems from you know, almost a year ago with the hurricane,
where people had signed a contract with an out of
area roof for someone who may or may not be
familiar with the insurance process, and you know, here we
are a year later. They still got a tarp on
their roof. So you know, that's kind of what's going

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on right now, is that, you know, most of the
most of the bigger stuff has been handled now, it's
just people are having issues, people who really didn't know
they had issues. So we're still picking up a few
of those every now and then. But we do have,
you know, insurance specialty people who know how to navigate
through the insurance process and help you out.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'm trying to remember the fellow's name, a young guy
in your staff who this is what really what he
does is deal with the insurance side of it.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, his name is Noah.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yes, he was at our house late last year. And
this guy, he's like a bulldog when he comes to
working with insurance companies. And we say this all the time,
you guys will work as the homeowner or business owner's
advocate with the insurance company. I mean, hey, for me,
what do I know about what should or should not
be covered? But this is where you guys have been

(04:07):
very helpful for a lot of folks.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, no, it's pretty good. He researches and you know,
he finds out what should be covered, what should be
covered under what's called the code upgrade. So if you
had your roof and it got damaged by the storm,
but you didn't have drip edge on it, drip edge
is now code insurance company. If you have code upgrade,
coverage is required to put that back on. It's many

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things like that that people you know, wouldn't know, shouldn't know,
don't want to know. You want somebody who has been
through the process, who knows these things right off the
top of their head. You know, this is what I
need to get for you. This is what we're going
to try. This is what you're entitled to and fight
for you With the insurance companies.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Do you all find that it's maybe and I don't
want to name names here, but maybe some insurers are
easy to work with than others. Is is it pretty
much universal? Yeah? So what's accepted what's not?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I mean it's universal what's accepted and what's not. But
you do have a handful of insurance companies that are
more difficult to work with. It's not necessarily what they're
going to pay for, but it's the process to get there.
They're going to require a substantial amount of paperwork. They're
going to require a special way to write it up.

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They're going to require X, Y, and Z, just to
frustrate the people who aren't used to handling it. You know,
we go through it on a daily basis. But like
I said, fortunately we have a few people in the
office who have been through this, especially with the storm
last year, have been through this a lot. They know
how to navigate the different insurance companies.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now, what did a true heat that Let's say you
guys got up there and did a free roof inspection
and you found there was some damage it was from
a past storm. I think as homeowners we tend to think, well, well,
unless it was something that just happened that caused this problem,
it's not going to be covered by the insurance company.
But if I'm not mistaken, that's not exactly true, is it.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, you have a certain amount of time depending on
the insurance company. It could have been wind related from
a storm a year ago. You wanted it checked. From
a wind or a hailstorm a month ago. Well, they
find the damage as long as they can prove there
was an incident in that area during the timeframe of

(06:30):
your coverage, allows it's.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Covered, okay, Because yeah, I'm afraid a lot of folks
may have missed out on something like that, thinking well,
that was so long ago, that's got to bite the
bullet on it. But that's not necessarily the case.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
And I don't know what the coverage limits are for
different people. I know some companies are one year. I
think sometimes you have up to three years. I do
my best to not get involved in that side because
I have the retail side to deal with.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yah, it keeps you busy.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah yeah, let.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Me let me when you get a free roof inspection.
And I talked about this a lot. For example, a
couple of years ago, my parents had to put their
home up for sale and we called you guys. You
came out and hopped up there and did an inspection,
and I think the long shot of it was it
was like maybe four hundred bucks for a couple of
minor repairs and home soul, roof was inspected, no problems,

(07:27):
Everything was honky dory. You guys do repairs on roofs now.
Not all the local roofers around here do that. A
lot of them just just do roof replacements. That that's it.
So this is why I always say, if you want
a free roof inspection called beaver roofing. You gotos a
three nine nine to one roof. When you get up there,
what are the things that your folks are looking for?

(07:47):
He when you when you inspect a roof.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
The first thing will be the wear on the shingles,
how much granule life has left. Then they'll look at
your boots and your vents to see if there's any deterioration,
nail pops to where water could penetrate broken shingles. You know,
do you have anywhere in your valleys do you have
any warm shingles at the edges where water could see

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back underneath? You know, there's there's a number of things
that they go through. And typically if you have a
problem on your roof that you don't know about, like
you don't see a leak, you don't have a you know,
known water intrusion, typically it's going to be a worn
boot that could cause a problem. Shortly. Most of the time,

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your shingles just don't go bad and water come in
in the middle of your roof. There's a penetration in
your roof from either a vent pipe, an exhaust van something.
The boot around that being is we're in South Carolina
and it destroys everything. You know, the weather, just the
weather just destroys everything. Those boots do wear out quicker
here than they do a lot of places. Most of

(08:59):
our roofs now. We do offer the upgrade to what's
called the Lifetime pipe boot. It's a it's a much
longer lasting product which gives you a little more peace
of mind twenty five years down the road. Your shingles
are good, your boots are also good. You don't have
to worry about it. We have the you know, the
plant where a platinum installer, so we have the ability

(09:21):
to offer the Platinum warranty, which is a limited lifetime
warranty on your shingles. You know, we have a lot
of we have a lot of things based on our
workmanship and our reputation that we can offer that a
lot of people.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Don't just curious. I mean when you go out and
talked to folks, and I know you do a both
roofing and gutters, and we'll get to some gutter talk
here in a second or two, Heath, but when you
talk to folks about roofs, I mean, are there some
One of the most common questions you guys get asked.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
The biggest ones. How much time do I have left
on my roof?

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Right, And that's a difficult question to answer. A roof
can look like it's worn, have granule lust. It could
last another fifteen years. You know, do I need a
new roof? Just you know, do I need a new roof? Well,
you know, our jobs to sell you roof. We try
to be honest with people and say you're going to

(10:12):
need a new roof. But it may be five years
down the road, it may be one year.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Down the road.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
You just don't know. The longer your roof goes, the
more chances you have of issues.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
And in many cases or you know, I mean it
just it does just just take up a repair maybe
in a few spots. I mean it can be un sightly,
I know, because there's no way you're going to mattch
shingle color exactly. You know, a roof is not out
there for fifteen ho years a long time. Yeah, you
put up a new shingle, you're gonna tell. And you
see that a lot. But even though it may not

(10:42):
be very slightly to look at sometimes, I mean that's
really all it takes, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well, a lot of times it's it's economically feasible for
people to do a eight hundred nine hundred thousand dollars
repair and get a full roof quote at the same time,
so they can budget and say, Okay, within five years,
I'm going to have to replace this roof. But with
the cost of materials going up, I mean, it could
be a fifteen thousand dollars expense. So it's nice to

(11:09):
be able to offer that service where look, we can
repair it. You know, it's hard to warranty it, but
if we do this repair, you're probably going to get
another five years out of this roof. That'll give you
time to budget.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Talk about gutters for a second, because here in South
Carolina there's a there's a lot of homes that don't
have I guess what's referred to either is proper guttering, right, correct,
And people are surprised to find out that in all
but really a handful of states, us being one of them,
proper guttering is required by state law.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Why is that, Well, you know, one of the biggest
causes of foundation problems is water at the base of
your house. So gutters do allow you to control the
water flow and move it away from the foundation, which
prevents a lot more expensive issues. You know, a typical

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gutter job now is probably running about two thousand dollars
for a typical house. I've been on a couple of
them here recently where they've gotten foundation quotes in the
fifty thousand dollars range. So yeah, there's a lot of sand.
I think the thinking always was the sandy soil would

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allow the water to dissipate and run away from your house. Well,
eventually it's going to work its way back there. You know,
sand does create holes, it creates, you know, divots in
the ground. Eventually the water run backwards. So maybe for
fifty years you had no problems, but all of a
sudden you got water coming in. You don't know how
it happened. Well, the water ran out of places ago.
Now it's got to go backwards. It's a it's not

(12:49):
a minor investment. You know, the price of metal has
gone up quite a bit. But it's a much less
expensive investment than foundation problems.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
And that's why I mean, we've got a lot of
foundation repair companies run they do it.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
They do excellent work, but yeah, they do and they
do a lot of work, and.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
They do a lot of work. Yeah. Because of that,
there's no state regulation that says you have to have
proper gutning, which is proper guarning is defined as what
anywhere water can come off the roof. You don't have
to have gutters all around the roof, right, No, I.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Tell people anywhere water exits the roof, you should have
a gutter. Now does that necessarily mean you need one,
not always have a you have a slope that comes
off straight downhill, no, you may not need it. It's
going to run away. If you have a slope that
comes off onto your driveway and your driveways downhill, you
may not have to have a gutter there. It does

(13:43):
eat away the concrete. Still it still will you know,
if you have a brick foundation, it does cause splashback,
which eats the way of the mortar, But it doesn't
necessarily mean that it's going to cause foundation problems in
those areas. But if the water comes off, you should
have gutter, catch it, control it, move it where you want.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
To and save yourself. Maybe fifty thousand dollars down the road.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Right yeah, yeah, fifty thousand dollars and a lot of headache.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
And one of the unique things.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
What people don't realize is yeah, the foundation repair itself
fifty thousand dollars. But now you've got cracks in your brick,
You've got cracks in your drywall, right, you know, you
may have a sinking floor. There's there's a lot of
issues that can go on top of that that may
be cosmetic. Wants the problems fixed, but people want those
taken care of. It can be a very expensive proposition.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah wow. And something unique about what you guys do
when it comes to gutters is you're not putting up
standard to standardized gutters over be roofking gutters.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Right, well, we're putting up a six inch seamless Now
most people have gone to that. The five inches kind
of gone away. The range is just too heavy here
to handle it. We'll still repair a five inch, you know,
we still run a five inch machine, but I probably
put up one one thousand footage of five inches. We

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do to six inch, and then we have the ability
to offer a seven inch as well for a more
commercial application. And that's still a seamless gutter, which very
few people have that capability around here. And then we
do half round guttering and copper half round, which is
also not a lot of people still putting that up.
So we have the ability to offer a full range

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of whatever anybody needs.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
And then that exercise is again we can get some
maybe downpours around here, huh.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, downpours, or you get a metal roof that's four
hundred feetle feet long, you know, a warehouse. The seven
inch gutter helps with that, right.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
And that's no matter whether you guys have put gutters
on our home. I mean you're in and out in
a hurry. You re roofed our home. We bought last August,
several months back, and I was amazing how quickly that
crew was in and out, I mean stopping a whole
brand new roof, and not a small sized roof either.
I mean your folks have got a down pad man.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, they pretty much got it down to a science.
They're up to about we figure they do about one
hundred and twenty feet an hour.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
And they get in, they get out, they get done.
We have very few issues. I mean, they're they're an
excellent installation grip.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, you did a great job on our home. All right,
it's beaver ruffing and gutters. Folks want to get a
hold of you for a free, yes, but they can
always call and that's what a two three nine nine
one roof right correct.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Visit us Beaver Roofing and Gutters dot com, Angie's List
Home Advisor, find us on Facebook or anywhere you want to,
or just look for the big beaver on the side
of the truck driving down the road.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
There you go. All right, he thanks so much, budd
have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Man, All right you too, thank you.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
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(17:17):
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(17:39):
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on one oh three point five FM and five sixty
am WVOC and we now tour our attention over to
countertops and stuff and you know what that means. It means.
Marcus Greenwell from Lifetime cabinets and countertops.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Good Mornings are Good Morning Columbia and surrounding counties and countries.
I guess we're nationwide or worldwide with the worldwide.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
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Speaker 4 (18:58):
I love it.

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Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, yeah, I saw that and it just came through
last week, the upgrade.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Oh we get there. Okay, you you put us as
number one, right?

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Absolutely? Yeah, as well you should. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
I listened to it all the time.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Beautiful.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Oh, get James Carwell on there. I hear him all
the time.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, James being with us here in a little while. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah. So we're doing a lot of exciting things. We've
got to sell going on at the Granite Bone Yard
on Chapin Road. I need to get rid of those
pieces there.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
These are the remnants. Now we're talking remnants.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Yeah, I'm sorry to bring that up, but I've got
to get rid of these remnants, and I'll do them
at costs. If y'all come in talk to me about it.
I'll be there all day to day until about five
point thirty.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Something like that.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
I probably unless somebody's in there with me, I'll stay
till midnight.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Because y'all know Marcus can do some talking.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Now, that's right, all right, hours are ten to six,
but I'm gonna leave about five thirty today. Just say,
you know, bust under, get there at five o'clock to
the owner.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
You can do that, that's right.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Rules it's thirty minutes so hate But Piney Grove Stores
is gonna be up until ten to six. That's why
I call it pine Grove. It's a forty twenty front
and dinner road right next to Greens. It'll be up
until six, ten to six.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
I'll know where Costco is. You can. You can find
lifetime marks on the street.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yea, yeah, and get your bottle of the liquor, okay, which.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
You would also do a Costco, but that's a whole
nother story.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Don't do it. You know, and drink it before you
come though, at least don't attempt to do the measurements before.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Do the measurements first, and that's people may have a
lot of questions about that. So you know, I want
to know. I wonder what this is going to cost me. Well,
it's pretty simple. You just take a rudimentary measurement. I mean,
you don't have to be precise, exact linked and we
be within a few inches. I mean there'll be like
a foot off or feet off, but you know, just
just just measured how how how wide, how deep? Bringing

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in or you can draw sketch, yeah, I mean somehow
y'all figured out my sketch all those years ago the
first time I did this.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
You can figure out my sketch how big God came
and draw stick people if you can pick up my sketch,
I mean, they can.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Figure out that it's used to it. If you can get
a pretty decent little just a rough sketch on it,
we normally get it within one hundred dollars of what
it's really going to be at the end. And at
the end means at the end of the once I
come out, you bring that in we'll do the paperwork. Ill,
we'll set up a measurement for me to come out

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do the final measurements for cutting, and we'll do it
down to the hundredth of a square foot, so we'll
have it down to a precise amount to where, and
then we'll do the back end balance on that, so
off the off of the measurement of my measurement, so
at the end means when my guys are ready to leave,
you send them with a check with the final balance.

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So if it's one thousand dollars, you do five hundred
dollars down and then five hundred on the back end.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
And you can when you and this is the amazing
thing because we've done this ourselves multiple times for they all.
I mean, you go out to either of again the
Pinty Grove, Fernandina Roade location or the Chapin Road and
before you leave the lot, you're going to know really
within a few bucks. Yeah, as long as your measurements
are pretty turned closed, that's right of what it's going
to cost, what the final bill is going to be.

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Because again, you guys can do that because you do everything.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
We do everything, Yes, we do it. All the measurements
we bring in the material. You'll approve the material before
it depended on if we have it in stock at
Chapin or whatever. You can look at it there. But
if you purchase something that we don't have, you'll come
and view it before we cut it, so you don't

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have a surprise.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
By the way, it doesn't take. It's not someone from
a slow ban from China either.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
That's right, you get you get.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
The stuff in like within. Yeah. Sometimes he's good as
quick as one day.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
This couple, yeah, this is a couple of days. Yeah,
I mean we got two suppliers here in town that
we get it from where they'll bring it in from
Brazil and stuff like that, wherever it comes from, depending
on the stone. Uh. And then we'll buy the slabs
from them that you pick out, and then we'll we're
called the fabricator. We'll fabricate it. We'll cut it down

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to your you know, fashion it to your kitchen or
bathroom or whatever, and then we'll you know, bring it
out and install it for you. So we do the
whole the whole process. We handle it the hole Enchilada. Yeah,
and I love it, I really do.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
You believe we're into August already.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I know it's time's flying. We're about to turn around,
turn the corner here and play football.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
It won't be long now, it's beautiful. We're what less
than three weeks away? Yeah, we're right at well, I
guess four or three four over three weeks in a
day for the game cap okay.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah, right, right, that's all that.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I was like, Okay, now it gets to be that
time of year and we always think of you know,
people do a lot of fixed up stuff in the
spring and they oh yeah, but with your business, I mean,
you guys get a big surge the closer we get
to the holidays. Yeah, we'll put the car in front
of the horse here, but yeah, I mean you got

(24:27):
a little lead time here.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, We're we're definitely busy right now. You know,
the summer's packed us up. And uh, if you want
something quick, I don't know, it's probably not going to
get quick. So you need to go in and get
like Gary saying, if you if you're planning on doing
a project, get ready for the holidays, you might want
to go in and start thinking about doing it, because
you're talking about we're into September already, so.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Oh, you booked out through Septembers.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, yeah, so, but I mean, you know, people understand
that we're busy, we're good at it. We won the
state's best now seven years in a row, so you
know that's.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
I'm only allowed to say six so far right that
and announce the other one.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Sorry, I just thought about that breaking news.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah maybe maybe seven.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Years in a row, okay, possibly yeah, maybe there's no
potential for it. Yeah. Well, and again this is I
would say this. If you go somewhere today and you
have somebody tells you, yeah, we can get that done
for you in a week run.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah. Yeah, you don't want them doing it. You may
or may not even get it.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
And too many places you go, including big box stores,
they really can't tell you when it's going to be installed.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Oh yeah, they're they're really backed out.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
And they're having to depend on a third party contract
to do the fabrication work.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, they're hiring somebody like me.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah yeah yeah, and then another third party contractor the
installation work.

Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yeah, somebody else, not even like us. We don't even
use the third party contractor to install. We install it ourselves.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, do everything. Yeah, So this is why you can
know when you make that purchase, when you select this
is what I want, okay, because you can give you
get folks by a guaranteed date.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Yep, that's right. We'll give you a guaranteed date right
there on the spot. And then if we get running
ahead of schedule, which is literally happened four times last month,
really actually two times in one week last month, so
we bump you up into that spot because we we
did I think last week we did ten jobs and

(26:41):
we only had five on the book, so there's five
extra slots that came open. Oh, so that's kind of
how that works.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
So now I know earlier in the year we had
the discussion and it was kind of remarkable for me
to you say this, but the item was Quartz. Yeah.
I meant last year it was quartz site.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Mm hmm, right, as I recall, yep, that's right.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
And and and suddenly here in twenty twenty five, it's
it's been quartz Yeah, Courtz, Quartz Courtz still the case.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Everybody loves Quartz case. So now I mean it's shaken
and we were like slinging cards out. That's how the
fast that stuff's going out.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
So what's the difference between quartzite and courtz.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Quartzite is a natural stone. I don't want to confuse anybody.
Is a natural stone that comes out of quartzite, and
quartz is a man made stone made with quartz that
comes out of the ground. The courtz comes out of
the ground. They grind it up and put some polymers
in it and make it into a piece of of
non porous kitchen material and bathroom very durable. It's on

(27:53):
the scratch resistance of granite the same scale, which.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
By the way, if you may even have a ran
it cutting.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Board right right, dull your knife real so so so
quartz courtz and quartz court site is actually harder than
the court Yeah, even though it's a man made I mean.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Take two. Yeah, so if you just want a dull knife,
you can take granted or court side or courtz. Yes,
don't try with marble. No marble will scratch. Yeah, it's
like a four or five on the hardness. So what
I mean, what are the uh, what are the pros
and or any cons? I don't know. If somebody comes
in and says, hey, I don't know, I want to
go courtz, I do want to go courtz. I mean,

(28:35):
what does that discussion sound like, Marcus?

Speaker 4 (28:37):
To me, it's it sounds like, do you want to
spend the money? If you want to spend I mean,
the courtzite costs more and it has natural beauty to it,
so it does have more depth, natural movement stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
And the courts. The courts looks great, and I don't
want to take anything away from that, but it looks flat.
It's not natural. It's not a natural material, so it's
not it doesn't have of course, and then you turn
around and you could say the opposite for the court site.
In some cases, you're gonna have inclusions, You're gonna have

(29:13):
spots that you may or may not like. Either you
either love it or hate it. You know, you don't
you don't.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
You know, you either look at a character or a flaw.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, exactly, exactly a good way to put it. Yeah.
So so really it comes down to money and the
way it looks. To me, if I was gonna do it,
I'd probably go with the court site. But that's just
you know, I just I'm in the granite or the
stone industry, so I would you know, go to the best.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, And that always confuses me. Because obviously confuses you too,
because I keep thinking court sight should be the man
made and court should be the natural them. But that's
not the way it is.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
That's a good point. That is a good point. Yeah,
I don't even know, h I wasn't a part of that.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
So now you guys do a lot of work with builders.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, absolutely, a lot of.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Work with builders and folks who are flipping homes. And again,
typically if you yeah, if you're doing a flip, for example,
usually folks still going granted.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
I've got a as a matter of fact, I've got
four houses going on now with one guy, and two
of them he's using granted on the low end, and
two of them he's using courts. So it kind of
depends on the address. I've noticed. You know, I'm not
going to name any neighborhoods or anything, but some of

(30:38):
the neighborhoods might not you might not want to put
as much money into as some of the other in
the house.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah, So he's going with like a level one granted,
and then I would say a level one, not that
there's any quality difference between one and the most expensive,
but the starting price point level one granted, and the
level one courts. So so he's doing level one in
both of them, but one, you know, like I'm doing

(31:08):
a house for him in Summerville right now, and I'm
gonna guess, so we're doing courts in Summerville.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
So so depending on the stone you pick though, typically,
I mean, and I know this is probably your advice
to anybody that's flipping out or or you're getting ready
to sell your home. Let's talk about that for a second.
Number One, you don't want to get that's that's always
a weird thing because you say, oh, yeah, I want
to I need to do this, you know, I need
to get a little knowing countertops. I need to put

(31:35):
a stone countertop in. But you can't go at it
thinking about it. This is what I like, right right?

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Yeah, Yeah, you don't want to put anything pink in there,
and somebody might not like pink, you know, Yeah, but
I would I would say that the customers. Now I'm
noticing the people buying houses, they're wanting it fixed up,
fix the house up. Yeah. My neighbor's house has been
on the market now for five months or something, and

(32:00):
it's because she didn't have it updated. I mean, and
she tried to have it, you know, lipstick on a
pig and just put paint and not you know, maybe
clean the carpets a little bit and stuff like that.
But people are walking in and I live in a
nice neighborhood, they're looking at it and they're like the
real estate agent just came to me the other day
and he said, do you know anybody else is selling

(32:21):
a house around here that's not quite so you know,
worn in.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well, and you know these days and it's been this
way for a long time because you go to a zillo,
for example, and people looking for houses. You got those
little checks boxes you can check it. Yeah, and this
is what I gotta have. Oh yeah, yeah, and they
always check still countertip uh huh. Away, Yeah, you gotta have.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
You gotta have it, So you might as well enjoy
it because it's not going to go bad, you know
what I'm saying. Unless you hit it with a hammer,
it's gonna last. I mean, you're not gonna mess up.
And granted, you know, so you might as well just
go ahead and put it in. If you're gonna if
you're on the edge and wanting it anyway, just go
ahead and do it. Because you're gonna need to do
it to flip the house over sell the house. Yeah,

(33:04):
I mean, you know, not everybody's planning on selling anyway,
but I mean I'm not, you know, so, but if
I was going to, I would. I mean I've already
got granted, of course, but.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, it's it's it's hard to sell the home these
days without it. Yeah yeah, yeah, you wanted to get
seen on zelow, More likely everybody's checking that box, so
your house doesn't even pop up in the search lines. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, so I really uh, I really love doing work
for house flippers and building contractors. Our main thing and
what's won us all the awards is custom homes, homes
that are remodeling doing the waterfall edges, which is the
countertops that come down the island and then down to

(33:49):
the ground. You know, you know, it's a natural flow.
We just did a project with Megan Copeland, talked about
her last week. Matter of fact, I'm gonna have her
on the show here pretty soon, I hope. And uh
she had these pop up electrical outlets that come out
of the courts and raise up out of the courts.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
So it's got like a little lid on it that
we we fashion down uh to fit into the top
and then it just naturally Well it's got to weight.
It's how you push down on it and it goes
and it comes up. I've never seen such a thing. Yeah,
very cool. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Well your Facebook page has got pictures of videos of them. Yeah,
some really exhaust installations.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Lifetime cabinets and countertops. And then and then on my
personal pages Marcus Greenwell, yeah, so I'm pretty easy to
find if you you know, you want to look at
my Facebook. I got a lot on air. I'm a
prolific poster. I post a lot of the jobs we do,
and people tag me a lot on on stuff and

(34:54):
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
And if you want to drop in and see this
guy today, you will be at the chape.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
And Road located one my boneyard one three Chapin Road.
Look for me in the blue shirt. If if you
go to Pine Grove Road or Fernandina Road is forty
twenty Fernandina Road right by Costco Greens Northern Tool right around.
If you go over to Home deep Out and get

(35:18):
a price from them, come on over. We love to
quote against I mean I love I love them. Don't
get that wrong, but we love the quote against them.
I spect you too anyway.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Okay, that's uh ato three.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Wait, let me get the number eight O three seven
seven twenty two twenty comes directly to me. You call me,
I'll take care of you. Get you on the schedule.
Boom done.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
All right, thank you Greenwell, Marcus, Marcus Greenwell. Goodness, ye
you brother, thank you.

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look it's our old pal James Carwell, the owner of
Freedom Plumbing, joining us now here on the Home Improvement
Show of the Midlands. Good to have you, James. Good
morning sir.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
You good to be here, Gary.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I'm doing well, man, I see you all over the
place these days.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Man, we'll get around apparently you do.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And you've been in my neighborhood quite a bit recently too,
I've noticed, Oh.

Speaker 7 (37:50):
Yeah, did a takeless water heater install for one of
your neighbors terrific.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I'm sure she's happy with that we had. That's something
we hadn't talked about in quite some time. Tankless water heaters.
Maybe we'll talk about that today.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
What do you think absolutely sounds.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Good of the water heaters you're installing these days? Is
it getting to be where, you know, you're doing more
of the tankless ones than any other any other type.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You know, they're definitely.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
More prevalent nowadays than they were, and you know, the
situation kind of dictates which route is the best.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Route to take.

Speaker 7 (38:28):
You know, if you get a small home, just one
person in the house, yes you can get some energy
savings out of switching from an electric to a tankless
natural gas or propane tankless, but not every situation really
is needed to have a tankless as far as the expense,

(38:49):
so it's typically about twice the cost of the install
of the normal water heater. What t think of normal
water heater around fifteen a tankless around three thousand.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
All parking getting is that installed or is that just
for the unit of self.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
Yeah, that's that's installed, and again it can range. We've
done some tankless installs for forty two hundred. They go
with the bigger unit that has a built in recirculating
plump and it's a condensing model, which means it's more efficient.
So yeah, it can range. And depending on the house
size and how many bathrooms and everything.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Now, just curious here from a cost standpoint. So let's
say you go twice as much using your example of
fifteen hundred for the conventional old style three thousand of
the tankless installed. What sort of over the course of
a year, I mean, what sort of cost savings are
we talking about in lower electricity.

Speaker 7 (39:46):
Costs From the numbers I've run and from what I've
heard as far as recovery time on your investment above
and beyond what you would spend on a regular heater,
it's about a fifteen year recovery time about the life
span of the heater, so you know, it kind of
breaks even so to speak over the life span of

(40:08):
the heater. But the benefit is more in the fact
that you have endless hot water, so situations where you
have soaking tubs or elderly might have had all uh
those you're not typically you're not going to be able
to fill up a tub like that with a standard

(40:31):
tank style heater. You're going to run out of hot
water before that thing is full. So certain cases, a
lot of people in the home, teenage kids got taking showers,
back back.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Running out of hot.

Speaker 7 (40:43):
Water is not something you have to worry about with
a tankless water here?

Speaker 1 (40:51):
What what did should you expect? And let's go let's
go here, Okay, regular style water heater I'll just call
old fashioned for sake of argument here. They come in
different sizes, right, I mean, depending on the size of
the home, the number of showers and fixtures and things
like that. What are your options there?

Speaker 7 (41:11):
Typically forty or fifty. You have some cases where you
can do an eighty. They're now considered more like commercial
than residential, but it could still be used in a
residential application. So I mean, is it good?

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Is it possible that you could say, well, I don't
want to, you know, invest the extra money for the tankles,
I just want to get as big a model as
I can. Can you get a you know, one big
enough to ensure that let's say a family of four
is not going to run out of hot water.

Speaker 7 (41:43):
That's hard to say, depending on their habits. So if
you get somebody that hopes in the shower and they
stand in there for thirty minutes, you're going to have
a problem. Typically, you get about a seventy percent yield
from a water heater, so you know, forty gallons, you
get seventy percent of that, and then it's going to
start cooling down pretty quick after that.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, an average shower, an average shower, let's say you're
hopping in out of the shower, say five minutes. You
don't have that teenager in the house that likes a
thirty minute shower. Yeah, a five minute shower, because yeah,
I've had those. Uh, the five minute shower is going
to consume about how much how many gallons.

Speaker 7 (42:17):
Of water depends on how hot you like the water,
depends on the temperature that the water is set at.
So I guess the best way to kind of describe
what happens there is the hotter your temperature the shower,
the less hot water you're going to use as far
as volume of actual water to reach the desired temperature
that you're trying to achieve because if you get one

(42:38):
hundred and forty degree water and you're mixing that with
seventy degree cold water, you're going to get that one
hundred degrees a lot with a lot less hot water
than if you had one hundred and twenty degree hot
water in seventy degree cold water.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I've got you.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
So there's a lot of factors that kind of play
into how long and how you know, much of a
shower you can take with a certain gallon amount in
a water heater.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
So really, again, this is not so much that I'm
gonna I'm going to go make the investment, take the
plunge here, so to speak, and go for the tankless
water heater. It's not so much a question of I'm
gonna save that much more in electricity over the the
of the course of a month or a year. Even
you mentioned a fifteen year return on that this kind
of break even point. But it is, Yeah, I'm tired

(43:24):
of run out of hot.

Speaker 7 (43:24):
Water mainly, and so you're definitely gonna have a lot
more energy savings if you're going if you're transitioning from
an electric style tank water here to a tankless because
that electric heater or even a gas on that, for
that matter, is going to heat cool whether you use

(43:45):
it or not. So let's say you left your house
for a month, that water heater is going to cool down,
heat back up, cool down, heat back up, and then
can continue to cycle whether or not water is being
used in it or not, because eventually, you know, you
have transfer of heat. Heats can leave the water and
it's eventually going to need to heat back up because

(44:07):
the thermostat says, hey, we're not hot enough.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Well, okay, since you brought that up. Let's say you
are going on a sabbatical of the sword. You're gonna
leave for a month. Uh, you know, short of just
I guess going wherever it's located and shutting off the
pilot light or what have you, there's no real other
way to shut that thing down, or should you even
try to.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
You can on a gas you can turn your breaker
off I guess thermostat to vacation, which is pretty much
just means the pilot light stays lit and it doesn't
heat and cool while you're going all that.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
You said on electric right now, do all electric water
heaters have that?

Speaker 7 (44:46):
That's a that's a gas.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Model, gas model, Okay, Yeah, you just.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
This knob typically on the front of the unit. Most
of them are red, red knobs on the front of
the unit. It'll have you know where you can change
the temperature setting on the thermostat right, and if you
go all the way down, it typically is the vacation mode.
Okay for the gas and on the electric. I mean
you could always just flip the braker off. I would

(45:12):
also recommend if you're doing that, to shut the water
off to the house.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
That way, if you know.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
Long hold, something happens that doesn't happen for the entire
time you're gone, or until you're one of your neighbors
sees water coming out of your front stairs.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
What Yeah, yeah, that's kind of the do with the
water heater. That's just in general. Yeah, no, I agreed.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, that's a side note.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, that would be a horror story to come back
to you right there. Hey, for somebody who's you purchased
the house in the last few years, they haven't replaced
a water heater and maybe they just never really thought
much about it. How can you quickly tell whether you've
got an electric water heater or a gas water heater.

Speaker 7 (45:51):
Well, the power cord going into the top of the
heater usually lets you know, and the gas heater is
going to have some sort of event, whether it be atmospheric,
which means the vent goes straight up, typically through your
ceilings or your roof, or out the wall, which is
considered the direct vent, so it makes a ninety degree

(46:13):
turn and comes out the sidewall. Typically you'll see those
applications in a garage. You know, your here be in
the corner of the garage, and then the vent will
turn and go out the wall, and you'll outside you'll
see the little vent cap, a termination cap for the
exhaust the combustion gases.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
I guess cross spaces will be that way too, pretty much,
would they.

Speaker 7 (46:36):
I've seen some direct vent applications inside of a cross space.
You just got to have a lot of room for
it because they don't make like short direct vent water hears.
They're typically going to be pretty tall.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
So if you see some sort of a of a
vent on the on the outside of your home near
the water heater, let's say go in the cross space
for example, that's that's you got gas water here.

Speaker 7 (47:02):
Yep, and atmosphere event. The vent will actually end through
the roof, so you'll see a little a lot of times,
just like a silver colored pipe coming out of your
roof that looks different from all the other pipes sticking
up right through your roof, which are the vent pipes
tree plumbing.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Are gas heaters. Water heater is more efficient and giving
you more hot water than electric.

Speaker 7 (47:28):
Yeah, they definitely have a quicker recovery time, meaning once
you deplete the hot water out of it, it's kind of
heat that water a lot quicker. I think electric is
one of the most inefficient ways to heat, whether it
be heating the air or heating water gas. It's definitely
you know, that's why they say cooking with gas.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Yeah, that's why they say that. Now, so you've decided
you're going to go with the tangle of style water here,
and there's a there's a misnomer here that you you
had to put in. And of course you work with
a pro like James, this is all gonna be explained
to you, of course. But I can foresee a situation

(48:09):
where somebody says, yeah, I want the tankless water heater,
and somebody comes out and installs one, and they cut
the shower on hot right in and they're surprised to
find out they don't have hot water right away.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Yeah, so it's what we call endless, not instant. So
typically we like to install the tanklesses near the location
where your old heater was, so you're not going to
notice a large difference in wait time that you had before.
So if you move that location of the heater twenty

(48:41):
feet away from where it was, you're going to extend
wait times for different areas of the home and then
decrease weight times for other areas. So, you know, there
may be some cases where the layout just didn't work
the way they had it, and you know, the customer's like, well,
you know, hot water my kitchen is not my main priority.
I wanted it near. I want it to the master
bath quicker. So then those cases where you know, we

(49:05):
would consider relocating the tank lists closer to the master
bedroom or bathroom. That way they get that hot water
there quicker. The other option would be going with a
tankless that has a built in recirculator circulates hot water
through your system and decreases that weight time for hot water.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
You mentioned that at the start of the segment there
that you just didsalve one with that feature on there.
How much quick are you going to get hot water
when you go that route.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
So again there's a lot of stuff that kind of
goes into it. You're plumbing layout is one of the
biggest things. So that basically you have a bypass that
gets installed on the furthest fawcet and it creates that
loop for the water to continuously circulate through the system.
So basically what it does is it it pushes hot
water to the hot water side of that faucet and

(49:54):
then the loop it is created by pushing it to
the cold side. So you'll get a little bit of
lukewarm water on your cold when you cut it on,
but the height will be there fairly quickly.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
It does cut off.

Speaker 7 (50:07):
At around ninety degrees, so you'll have ninety degree water instantly,
but that one hundred and twenty degree water is not
very far behind it.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
How much more is it to go that route, James,
you're looking for the full innch of Lada here.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
Now those can range I would say thirty eight to
forty two somewhere.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
In that total total price here.

Speaker 7 (50:29):
Now, yeah, total price installed with the bypass programming the pump,
because those pumps you can program to let's say you
get up at six am. You want to be able
to take a shower by six point thirty. You can
program the pump to cut on at five o'clock and
recirculate that water within that time period to be able

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to have it there, so it's not constantly recirculating and
you're not you know, using that energy to recirculate water
through your system to say at four in the morning
when everybody sleeping.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Well, that's what I was thinking, because I mean, this
is a system that keeps that water if you go
that route, keeps that water hot really all the time.
That seems like that could be pretty cost prohibitive.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
You know, it's more of a luxury item as far
as wait times for how long you're how long it
takes for your water to get the hot water to
get to that fixture. It's basically the best way to
think about it is you have to purge the water
that's cooled off in that line until the hot water

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gets from that tankless.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
To that fixture.

Speaker 7 (51:35):
So like in our home, it takes a long time
for it to get to the kitchen. You know, we
may have to run that water for thirty forty five
seconds before we have hot water in the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yep, same way.

Speaker 7 (51:48):
So you are using more water in that case, but
on the flip side of that to recirculate it, you're
using more energy.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Best tip I ever got that you, James, was when
you told me about a year or so ago. I
think that shower turn the knob all the way to hot.
Every time I do that, I.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
Think, yeah, I kind of thought about that.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
One day.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
I went to turn the shower on and I put
it where I normally would have the temperature right, and
I sat there and thought about it. I was like, well,
it's going to take longer for the water to get
hot because I'm just running cold water through it with
hot water instead of all hot water. So yeah, when
you want the water to get there quick hot, just
cut the hot side on by itself and all the

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way to hot, and then adjust back once you got
hot water at the fixture.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Don't don't forget you did that before you hop in. Uh,
needless to say.

Speaker 7 (52:41):
It'd be a little warm depending on how hot your
water here is set to go.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
I got my pad in the morning, man, I cut
it all the way hot. By the time I got
my teeth brushed, it's ready to go. Boom.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
There you Freedom Plumbing James Carwell. He is the owner
and that folks have questions for you or they just
need a little if they want to go to the
tank list route or just ask you about that I
can they reach you, my friend, give us.

Speaker 7 (53:04):
Call at eighth three four four seven zero four seven
to one, or a visit her website at Freedom dash
Plumbing dot com.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
The guys riding around town all over the place of
the bigger, red, white and blue trucks Freedom Plumbing, have
a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
James, You do the same, Gary. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (53:19):
I'm James Carwell, local owner and operator of Freedom Plumbing
right here in the Midlands. After working as a plumber
for nearly a decade, I decided to open my own
business and Freedom Plumbing was born because of my love
for this country and the great respect I have for
the men and women of our armed forces and our
first responders. I named my company Freedom Plumbing. What sets

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us apart from other companies is our customer service. We
have a five star rating on Google, a five star
rating on Facebook and a plus rating on Angie's List
and an a plus rating with a Better Business Bureau.
I'm James Carwell, local owner of Freedom Plumbing, and we
look forward to servicing you for all of your plumbing needs.
Get fifty percent off your new service call when you

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